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laugh4me
04-11-2002, 11:39 AM
I just saw a Speedy article in which the author is vehemently against his return and wants to keep him off the air. It's a feature article in latinoLA.com .
This one is pretty easy to pick apart - there are errors [e.g. Speedy gets low ratings] and poor arguments etc but here is an example of someone with a different view from us... One obvious question to ask Mr. Hernandez is if (in his words) "to Latinos, he [Speedy] is an abomination", then why is he so popular in Latin America?

Anyway, for your reading pleasure... ;)

Taken from Lationola (http://www.latinola.com/story.php?story=230)

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LULAC Goes Looney Tunes
Should Speedy be brought back from cartoon exile?
By Al Carlos Hernandez | Web Published 4.6.2002

In an act of unconscionable imbecility, LULAC --the League of United Latin American Citizens -- the US’ oldest Hispanic American rights group, and Hispanic Online, a Florida-based haven for closet Latinos, have publicly advocated and petitioned for bringing back racist cartoon Speedy Gonzales to the Cartoon Network after a two year absence.

“To many people, he was a hero,” said Virginia Cueto of Hispanic Online, which launched a campaign to revive the Mexican mouse. “He is seen by many Hispanics as a positive role model. This guy is a winner! He is always outsmarting his main nemesis Sylvester the cat — or as Speedy’s non-Latino creator terms it, the GREEEEN-GO Pussygato."

Maybe to Hispanics he is a hero but to Latinos, he is an abomination.

Apparently, in Ms. Cueto’s attempt to be cute, she does not actualize that cats and mice cannot really talk and if they did they would not be stupid enough to continue to insult the potentially strongest minority group in the country. Since they cannot read either, the latest census probably passed over their heads, too.

Big up, however, to the Cartoon Network (CN) spokesperson Laurie Goldberg, who said that the network has no current plans to air Speedy. "We never ‘pulled’ the Speedy cartoons, we just haven’t aired a lot of them, " she said, citing not only the networks concern over inappropriate or offensive stereotypes, but an additional consideration -- a given programs ratings. The 40 Speedy cartoons in Cartoon Network's collection have traditionally garnered low ratings. They are a part of an 810-cartoon library, which runs in rotation.

In the real world -- not toon town -- they do not run Speedy cartoons because it has terrible ratings, but because the majority of people -- including cartoonists with half a brain -- know that the Speedy Gonzalez cartoons are blatantly offensive, so normal people stopped watching them.

So in comes LULAC to the rescue.

“ˇViva Speedy!” LULAC director of policy and legislation Gabriela Lemus said. “Give the mouse a chance. I have never heard of any Mexican-American complain about him. I grew up in Mexico, I watched it with my grandmother and we weren’t offended. How far do you push political correctness before you can’t say anything about anything anymore?”

Profound political rhetoric indeed. In other words, to quote another cartoon icon, Quick Draw McGraw to his much maligned Latino sidekick, the accented donkey Baba Louie, “I’ll do the thinin' around here, Baba-Louie, and don’t you forget it!”

I guess it's comments like that which makes LULAC the political powerhouse for strong national Latino policy and legislative leadership that it is. I am hoping that bringing back poorly-rated racist cartoons is not high on the list of its national agenda.

Maybe Ms. Lemus can host a "Dress Up Like Your Favorite Hispanic Stereotype Character Dinner Dance" at the next national convention in June. Executive members could come dressed as Speedy Gonzalez, Bucky & Pepito (similar lazy Mexican-exiled cartooners), The Frito Bandito, or the recently-furloughed Taco Bell Rat-Dog. Maybe Hispanic Online could even webcast it!

As an industry insider, I would like to inform advocates that cartoon animals are only inventions of artistic and oftentimes drunk people, in this case, non-Latinos from several decades ago who consider Latinos second class citizens.

Speedy was a mistake.

Any time a character is given an ethnic accent only for comedic value, this trivializes and diminishes that person and culture. This is done in an effort to make the dominant culture -- those inspired to laugh --feel superior. This type of subliminal institutional racism viscerally affects our children and degrades Latinos as people of honor and respect.

Although self-congratulatory publicity-seeking cartoon advocates such as Cueto and Lemus bemoan the fact that their favorite rodent has been sent to broadcast limbo, they ought to consider that most cartoon viewers are children and well-known musicians.

Los Angeles psychologist Robert Butterworth, (and no, his mom is not the Mrs. Butterworth, the maple syrup bottle lady) says, “These stereotypes are ingrained when we’re young. and what do kids watch? Cartoons. I know that adults are saying 'Oh God, it’s just Speedy Gonzalez’ but these are impressions that are put in very early and hard to pull out. I’m the last person to hold for political correctness, but kids absorb this thing on a preconscious level.”

Lemus of LULAC says, “Speedy points out to his friends the good parts of being motivated and always beats the bad guy.”

Isn’t that what LULAC is supposed to do?

Speedy boosters or “Speedy freaks” as I call them, shouldn’t expect to see their rodent hero back anytime soon, at least not in the United States. Speedy will appear in reruns of a full-length Warner Brothers movie “Fantastic Island” later this month, however, where he will play “Tattoo”, the vertically challenged side kick of Mr. Rourke.

But I’m not even going there.

-Al Carlos Hernandez

Al Carlos Hernandez will probably never be published on Hispanic Online.

rodney
04-11-2002, 01:37 PM
This article is a poorly written haphhazard mishmash of so-called facts.

Where the heck does he get off saying that cartoons are mainly created by drunks? We're certainly not permitted to, nor should we, say that all Latinos are drunks.

Did you know that all cartoon fans are children and musicians? According to this half-wit it's true. I love people who feel the need to battle a stereotype by creating more.

And like so many others, I guess he didn't bother to figure out that a latino, Rudy Larriva directed 3 Speedy cartoons?

I wonder where we should go to give rebuttals to this horrific article?

laugh4me
04-11-2002, 02:12 PM
Originally posted by rodney
I wonder where we should go to give rebuttals to this horrific article?

I don't think you can do a direct immediate rebuttal, but they do share (edited?) comments from their email.
See this for an example. (http://www.latinola.com/story.php?story=187)

BTW, on this webpage you will find the following message:

Send your comments on our feature stories to: letters@latinola.com

Viper
04-11-2002, 03:02 PM
They have a lot of nerve writing that trash! :mad: I happen to be a huge fan of both Speedy and of course my #1 WB character, Pepe Le Pew. C'mon already! This is decent tv: seeing a fast mouse outrun a cat and a duck with a bad attitude. CN, Leave our poor classic cartoons alone!


VIVA SPEEDY GONZALES!!! ARRIBA!

VIVE PEPE LE PEW!!! OUI!

Pilmedium
04-11-2002, 04:16 PM
The 40 Speedy cartoons in Cartoon Network's collection have traditionally garnered low ratings.

How would CN know they would get low ratings if many of them were never shown on that station? That leads me to a more serious question: Did Speedy get lower ratings than other classic WB characters when it aired on other networks? I doubt it. :confused:

rodney
04-11-2002, 04:19 PM
I should clarify that I don't view this person as a half-wit because our opinions differ. I view him as a half-wit because he couldn't create a real argument for the banishment of this character without making up "facts". Of course, 74.6% of all statistics are made up on the spot, but still.....

Greg Method
04-11-2002, 04:26 PM
From the article originally re-posted by laugh4me
As an industry insider, I would like to inform advocates that cartoon animals are only inventions of artistic and oftentimes drunk people, in this case, non-Latinos from several decades ago who consider Latinos second class citizens.

"Industry insider??" Has anybody ever heard of this guy before?

But anyway, unless he has evidence of anyone at Termite Terrace actually being overly drunk while creating Speedy, I'm pretty sure the above excerpt is called "slander," which is one of the things Freedom of the Press does NOT protect.

Pilmedium
04-11-2002, 04:31 PM
Originally posted by rodney
he couldn't create a real argument for the banishment of this character without making up "facts".

At least most other people (excluding Goldberg) used many real reasons to support their ideas.

A little off-topic, but that old "8500 cartoons" argument needs a comment: How many of those cartoons actually air on Cartoon Network these days?

Matthew Hunter
04-11-2002, 06:10 PM
Okay, this guy's offended by Speedy, and supposedly represents others who are. Okay, I say let them have their argument. However, a lot of that article just isn't true, and neither, frankly, are any number of Laurie Goldberg's coments. Alcohol has never been an issue in the Speedy series as a whole...there are about three of the cartoons in which a character drinks, and in each of them they become a victim of something because of it, Speedy having to save them. In fact, Speedy tells his friends in both to lay off the drinks. In many Speedy films, there WERE Latinos working on them. Rudy Larriva directed many of them, and several characters in the 1960's were voiced by an actor named Gonzales Gonzales. Speedy is also neither racist nor badly rated. How can you prove that Speedy Gonzales, out of all the other LT characters, got the worst ratings? I've never seen a show in which Speedy was entirely separate from other series. Also, CN wouldn't know...They have not played the whole Speedy series. They had about 7 to ten Speedy cartoons in 1998, and they played them to death. Many, if I recall right, were time compressed noticeably. Bad ratings? Their fault.
-Matthew