What do you want to see in the next X-Men cartoon?

[Rabbitearsblog]

What do you want to see happen in the next new X-Men cartoon, if they are planning on making a new X-Men cartoon? Here are some things I want to see:

* I like to see new storylines besides "The Dark Phoenix Saga" and "Age of Apocalypse" maybe some storylines from Uncanny X-Men or Astonishing X-Men.

* I like to see new characters become major characters in the next series. Of course characters like Wolverine, Cyclops, Jean Grey, Professor Xavier and Storm will be included as always, but feature some other characters that are popular in the X-Men universe but were rarely focused on like Colossus, Angel, Nightcrawler, Iceman, Shadowcat, Psylocke and many others as main characters.

* More romance arcs with different couples other than Jean Grey and Cyclops such as Colossus/Shadowcat, Angel/Psylocke and many others

* Have new villains besides Mystique and Magneto such as Onslaught, Spiral, Silver Samurai and many others.

[Silverstar]

Not so many darn characters. Just a core team consisting of no more than 4, 5 or at a stretch 6 main heroes, with others relegated to supporting or guest star roles.
Equal balance between the team's members. Not just frame after frame of "Look how awesome Wolverine is!" or "Scott really loves Jean" or "Rogue is so tragic".
Someone to finally make good use of Storm.
Give Jean more to do than just die, go missing, become the Phoenix and/or be coveted by Cyclops and/or Wolverine.
Have the team face some other baddies besides just Magneto and Mystique. In fact, let's see less of those guys next time around.
No rehashing of the same story arcs and plots over and over (the Phoenix Saga, Jean/Scott/Logan love triangle, etc.
Less shipping and romance arcs. Just 1 canon romance that's kept under wraps: low-key and drama-free, so the show won't turn into a frelling soap opera.

[Monte]

Not so many darn characters. Just a core team consisting of no more than 4, 5 or at a stretch 6 main heroes, with others relegated to supporting or guest star roles.

The X-men anime got that one covered... core team of Cyclops, Wolverine, Storm, Beast, Emma Frost and Armor

However, this also exposes the problem with doing a small core team in an x-men series. More than likely the core team would be made up of the most iconic characters in the franchise (same team as above, but replace Armor with Rogue and possibly emma with jean); meaning the characters that have been used MANY times and received a great deal of focus and stories already. in a long running 4-5 season series, this would probably mean repeating a lot of the same stories that have been told time and again. And if the DON'T use those iconic characters, then fans will complain about how their favorite character is missing from the roster.

That's why a large team works best... you can give the fans the iconic characters that the fans want, but have enough room to include many characters that could use more exploration and focus. If the series is good enough to get 4-5 season, then you'll have all the time you need to explore the whole cast, and tell some stories that haven't been told





Equal balance between the team's members. Not just frame after frame of "Look how awesome Wolverine is!" or "Scott really loves Jean" or "Rogue is so tragic".

I'd say that only WatXM is guilty of that... every other series made sure to balance the characters out




Give Jean more to do than just die, go missing, become the Phoenix and/or be coveted by Cyclops and/or Wolverine.


I think X-men evolution did that

[W.C.Reaf]

And if the DON'T use those iconic characters, then fans will complain about how their favorite character is missing from the roster.

But fans will complain about them not using their favourite characters anyway. The X-Men characters span hundreds of Mutants and each one probably has at least one fan who wants to see them get a major role in a cartoon. Just using the big "iconic" characters limits the writers if they don't have any stories to tell about them. AKA what happens to Storm all the time.

As I've said elsewhere the writers should pick characters they want to tell stories about rather than relying on what's iconic. That way the chances are we'll get some iconic characters used, since the writers will want to use at least some of them, but we'll get fewer characters that are dead weight on the plot that are used because they are "iconic".

[Rabbitearsblog]

Not so many darn characters. Just a core team consisting of no more than 4, 5 or at a stretch 6 main heroes, with others relegated to supporting or guest star roles.
I kind of like the idea of having a larger team for the X-Men because if there is only a small number of X-Men members in the team, then it might be possible that they will choose the same members (Wolverine, Jean Grey, Cyclops, Storm, Rogue, Professor Xavier, Beast) to be in the team instead of different X-Men characters in the group.





Equal balance between the team's members. Not just frame after frame of "Look how awesome Wolverine is!" or "Scott really loves Jean" or "Rogue is so tragic".
I definitely agree with this. I think they should spend more time on developing the other X-Men members other than Wolverine for a change.





Someone to finally make good use of Storm.
I agree that Storm's character really needs to shine in the next X-Men cartoon because she really is a great character and I felt that the cartoons' characterizations of her are not at all appealing and I think that the next X-Men series should have a storyline focused on Storm mostly.

[oohammeroo]

I think it would be a great idea to have 5 or 6 characters that we havent seen before and that's it. True fans would be on board. Watxm did a good job of that taking xavier and jean and for the most part cyclops out of the equation. But how about nightcrawler colossus psylock gambit arcangel quicksilver led by storm. Everyone else has already been taken out. There is no magneto. There is no xavier cyclops jean or wolverine. Id just like to see something new.
What made xmen great back in the day were the limitations of characters. They had to work as a team to survive. Then they started creating super mutants. Who cares about angels power of flight when rogue can fly and has colossus strength and can take everyone elses powers. Or wolverine that all of a sudden became a god. Last i remember it didnt take much to kill him in the past bullet to the head, cutting an artery, drowning, no air, explosions. Now hes indestructable. Come on marvel....quit trying to create your own superman. Next thing you know wolverine will mutate and be able to fly.....

[Lockjaw]

Personally I would prefer any series where the team is post Jean i.e. she is presumed dead/missing for some time and while not forgotten the team, in particular Cyclops has moved forward and they're focused on the challenges that they currently face. I find the whole Scott and Jean thing tedious from X-men:TAS to the movies and finally to WATXM and when you throw Wolvie into the mix its even worse.

Evolution was the only series that i enjoyed Jean as a character and i thought handled the relationship well. Having another series where they are currently in a relationship is just going ultimately lead to the same thing we've seen countless times already the Phoenix. Removing her from the equation allows for more creative freedom and new ideas unless of course like Evoulution, they start from an earlier point or the developers make a very bold move in regards to her back story.

[Silverstar]

Personally I would prefer any series where the team is post Jean i.e. she is presumed dead/missing for some time and while not forgotten the team, in particular Cyclops has moved forward and they're focused on the challenges that they currently face. I find the whole Scott and Jean thing tedious from X-men:TAS to the movies and finally to WATXM and when you throw Wolvie into the mix its even worse.

Evolution was the only series that i enjoyed Jean as a character and i thought handled the relationship well. Having another series where they are currently in a relationship is just going ultimately lead to the same thing we've seen countless times already the Phoenix. Removing her from the equation allows for more creative freedom and new ideas unless of course like Evoulution, they start from an earlier point or the developers make a very bold move in regards to her back story.

Hm. It's most likely because I have an admitted soft spot for the ol' red head, but I don't necessary think that Jean should be taken out of the picture (unless said show were to go with Emma; 2 lady telepaths on the team would be redundant, especially if Xavier was still going to be around); I agree however, that the Powers That Be in charge of the various X TV and movie projects really need to let go of this martyr bit with the character.

I wasn't a huge fan of X-Men: Evolution, but 1 aspect of the show that I did like was how that show actually used Jean as an active team member, not just an avatar for the Phoenix Force or Scott's paramour or Wolvie's unattainable crush. Scott and Jean could function on a show together as a couple provided the show's writers didn't make their relationship the primary focus of either character; if they could be kind of low-key about it and just say "Yeah, those 2 are an item" without tossing in a whole bunch of unnecessary drama, rivals, roadblocks and angst and just treat their relationship like that of, say, Reed and Sue on the various Fantastic Four shows, or Ant-Man and Wasp's relation on Avengers: Earth's Mightiest Heroes, then I think it could work. Like I said earlier, keep the relationships low-key and drama-free.

[Rabbitearsblog]

Hm. It's most likely because I have an admitted soft spot for the ol' red head, but I don't necessary think that Jean should be taken out of the picture (unless said show were to go with Emma; 2 lady telepaths on the team would be redundant, especially if Xavier was still going to be around); I agree however, that the Powers That Be in charge of the various X TV and movie projects really need to let go of this martyr bit with the character.

I wasn't a huge fan of X-Men: Evolution, but 1 aspect of the show that I did like was how that show actually used Jean as an active team member, not just an avatar for the Phoenix Force or Scott's paramour or Wolvie's unattainable crush. Scott and Jean could function on a show together as a couple provided the show's writers didn't make their relationship the primary focus of either character; if they could be kind of low-key about it and just say "Yeah, those 2 are an item" without tossing in a whole bunch of unnecessary drama, rivals, roadblocks and angst and just treat their relationship like that of, say, Reed and Sue on the various Fantastic Four shows, or Ant-Man and Wasp's relation on Avengers: Earth's Mightiest Heroes, then I think it could work. Like I said earlier, keep the relationships low-key and drama-free.

I agree that Jean and Scott's relationship should be kept at a low profile because if the shows focus too much on their relationship, then the show would turn into a soap opera rather than an action series and I usually don't want to see the same pattern over and over again.

[Lockjaw]

I agree with both of you if they do manage keep their relationship low-key then they both instantly become more bearable. However though the problem i have with Jean is that i just dont find her interesting in anyway. if you take away the Phoenix from Jean then what else is there to her? She's kind, loving, and very nurturing to everyone without the Phoenix she really doesn't have anything else to her.

In Evo because of the ages, there was more freedom to alter her personality and attitude so there was more to her than just being the kind, damsel in distress like she is in the other series. I would favor any creative liberty taken to give Jean more to her character and her role in the team but i fear that atleast with Jean as an adult there may be a precedent set e.g Cyclops' unhealthy infatuation with her, The Phoenix ect that many will be unwilling to break from.

Thats why personally, i would go with Emma as the main love interest of Cyclops. To me she has a more interesting back story being a former antagonist and i believe there are lot more ways you can develop their relationship without retreading the same thing we've already seen over and over.

[BigEclipse]

I think a new X-Men series needs to be slick and stylish, a contrast to A:EMH which is colorful and over the top. I would like to see it be animated in an almost anime style, but not completely anime. It needs to have a full, rich roster to pull from ,as many X-Men fans will be disappointed that their favorite didn’t make the cut. Colossus MUST be a regular character. His exclusion from the three previous series is criminal. The producers shouldn’t attempt to retread on what has already been done in the other shows or movies. Instead, they should dive more into underutilized stories from the comic. With the rare exception of the Phoenix Saga, much of the Dave Cockum/Chris Claremont/John Byrne era has remained untouched in animation. I know that many on this board abhor the X-Men’s celestial jaunts, but I really enjoy them and would like to see them have an extended visit to the Shi-ar system and hang out with the Starjammers a bit. I also think the Apocalypse should be a season long “big bad”. He was sort of a one-off villain in the 90s series, and I know he was to play a larger role in season two of W&TXM, but I would love for him to be portrayed as a major force a bit more like he was in the final season of Evolution.

[Rabbitearsblog]

I think a new X-Men series needs to be slick and stylish, a contrast to A:EMH which is colorful and over the top. I would like to see it be animated in an almost anime style, but not completely anime. It needs to have a full, rich roster to pull from ,as many X-Men fans will be disappointed that their favorite didn’t make the cut. Colossus MUST be a regular character. His exclusion from the three previous series is criminal. The producers shouldn’t attempt to retread on what has already been done in the other shows or movies. Instead, they should dive more into underutilized stories from the comic. With the rare exception of the Phoenix Saga, much of the Dave Cockum/Chris Claremont/John Byrne era has remained untouched in animation. I know that many on this board abhor the X-Men’s celestial jaunts, but I really enjoy them and would like to see them have an extended visit to the Shi-ar system and hang out with the Starjammers a bit. I also think the Apocalypse should be a season long “big bad”. He was sort of a one-off villain in the 90s series, and I know he was to play a larger role in season two of W&TXM, but I would love for him to be portrayed as a major force a bit more like he was in the final season of Evolution.

I agree that Colossus needs to be in more shows!! He's practically an icon in the X-Men world!

[Medinnus]

I'm probably going to be giving this too much thought, but I'd like to see them approach an X-Men release with the same approach that they used for the Avengers: Earth's Mightiest Heroes (which is not the same as animation style - I leave that to those who know more and care passionately about it - so long as I can make microheroes out of them afterwards, I'm happy enough...).

I would love to see an X-Men series start... well, at the beginning, and spend Season One picking and choosing from X-history with the original team of Professor X, Cyclops, Angel, Beast, Iceman, and Marvel Girl, blending the various retconns to early Marvel X-history, like the manipulations of Mr. Sinister, the Hellfire Club, et cetera.

I spent a few hours this morning outlining Season One of that, but I took long enough (apparently) that the server glitched and the post was lost. Oh well, it was probably too long; it started with the formation of the original team and followed the rise of Magneto and the Brotherhood (the original team of Blob, Unus, Mastermind, Quicksilver, Scarlet Witch, and Toad), the establishment of the MRD, the anti-mutant hysteria propaganda stoked by Sebastian Shaw, Operation Wideawake, the introduction of the "new" X-Men", guest appearances by Alpha Flight, the Imperial Guard, Wolvesbane, and culminated in the liberation of Genosha by Magneto. It was about a long paragraph per episode, and fun to have written - should have saved a copy before hitting "submit" though...:confused:

[Rabbitearsblog]

I'm probably going to be giving this too much thought, but I'd like to see them approach an X-Men release with the same approach that they used for the Avengers: Earth's Mightiest Heroes (which is not the same as animation style - I leave that to those who know more and care passionately about it - so long as I can make microheroes out of them afterwards, I'm happy enough...).

I would love to see an X-Men series start... well, at the beginning, and spend Season One picking and choosing from X-history with the original team of Professor X, Cyclops, Angel, Beast, Iceman, and Marvel Girl, blending the various retconns to early Marvel X-history, like the manipulations of Mr. Sinister, the Hellfire Club, et cetera.

I spent a few hours this morning outlining Season One of that, but I took long enough (apparently) that the server glitched and the post was lost. Oh well, it was probably too long; it started with the formation of the original team and followed the rise of Magneto and the Brotherhood (the original team of Blob, Unus, Mastermind, Quicksilver, Scarlet Witch, and Toad), the establishment of the MRD, the anti-mutant hysteria propaganda stoked by Sebastian Shaw, Operation Wideawake, the introduction of the "new" X-Men", guest appearances by Alpha Flight, the Imperial Guard, Wolvesbane, and culminated in the liberation of Genosha by Magneto. It was about a long paragraph per episode, and fun to have written - should have saved a copy before hitting "submit" though...:confused:

Wow! That sounds interesting! I think it's a bit of a shame that almost all the X-Men cartoons we have seen so far fail to talk about the original X-Men and how the X-Men started off. It's like the cartoons take place after the start of the original X-Men and sometimes, they don't go back and explain to the audience about the original X-Men and how the X-Men got started. Now, one of the X-Men cartoons might have done this (most likely the original 90s series) but it's been so long since I have seen any X-Men cartoon that I'm not so sure.

[TheVileOne]

Nolan North as Deadpool since we were deprived of that in season 2 of Wolverine and The X-Men

[Medinnus]

Wow! That sounds interesting! I think it's a bit of a shame that almost all the X-Men cartoons we have seen so far fail to talk about the original X-Men and how the X-Men started off. It's like the cartoons take place after the start of the original X-Men and sometimes, they don't go back and explain to the audience about the original X-Men and how the X-Men got started.

Ironically, my sketch of a Season One ends with Magneto liberating Genosha - it was almost a perfect lead-in for Season One of W&tXM... not on purpose, but the building blocks - the formation of Project Wideawake, the Brotherhood and Magneto, the X-folks... granted, if I was doing the Season Two outline, I'd do my best to consciously avoid copying W&tXM, but still... all roads do lead to Rome, right?

EDIT: Of course, as the X-series are basically vehicles for Wolverine first, and the rest of the mutants second, small wonder...

[Monte]

Wow! That sounds interesting! I think it's a bit of a shame that almost all the X-Men cartoons we have seen so far fail to talk about the original X-Men and how the X-Men started off. It's like the cartoons take place after the start of the original X-Men and sometimes, they don't go back and explain to the audience about the original X-Men and how the X-Men got started. Now, one of the X-Men cartoons might have done this (most likely the original 90s series) but it's been so long since I have seen any X-Men cartoon that I'm not so sure.
No the 90's did not... they skipped past the beginning, though it may have been referenced

However, technically x-men evolution did show us something of an origin for the x-men. Its just that they came up with their own thing instead of following the comics

[suss2it]

EDIT: Of course, as the X-series are basically vehicles for Wolverine first, and the rest of the mutants second, small wonder...Don't know about the 90s series, but that definitely wasn't the case for X-Men: Evolution. Wolverine had a supporting role in that series, and only got one solo episode a season, which he always shared with other characters.

[Rabbitearsblog]

Don't know about the 90s series, but that definitely wasn't the case for X-Men: Evolution. Wolverine had a supporting role in that series, and only got one solo episode a season, which he always shared with other characters.

I actually think that X-Men Evolution was the only X-Men series that didn't really concentrate on Wolverine much and that was a good thing because we got to know more about the other X-Men characters than we ever knew in the past. I think that the next X-Men series should introduce new characters that were not well known in the media, but were well known in the comics and that would help more fans get to know more about the X-Men universe as a whole.

[deymasc]

As long as it's not another homage to Wolverine, I'd be fine with it. Wolverine used to be a great character, but his overexposure has made me tired of the character.

Honestly, they could go with the Blue & Gold Team formats for a new X-Men series.
Alternate episodes with the two different strike teams, giving favorite characters their moment-in-the-spotlight, and bringing the teams together in the finale.

The X-Men cartoons have too many fan favorites that have been neglected over the years, and it's time to give them the proper "love" that they deserve!
I'm still sore that Colossus virtually disappeared after the first episode of WATXM!

[Medinnus]

FYI - No new X-Men content mentioned at the SDCC Marvel TV panel.

[ktk]

I'm actually rather surprised that they didn't announce a new X-Men tv series.

Maybe they're just taking their time and really trying to figure out a new way to approach the X-Men, trying to make sure it doesn't bear any similarity to previous X-Men shows.

Oh well, it's not like the X-Men have been completely forgotten by Marvel TV. The X-Men Anime series will show up on G4 in a few months, and they announced at today's panel that the next Marvel Knights animation project will be to adapt more of Astonishing X-Men.

[Rabbitearsblog]

As long as it's not another homage to Wolverine, I'd be fine with it. Wolverine used to be a great character, but his overexposure has made me tired of the character.

Honestly, they could go with the Blue & Gold Team formats for a new X-Men series.
Alternate episodes with the two different strike teams, giving favorite characters their moment-in-the-spotlight, and bringing the teams together in the finale.

The X-Men cartoons have too many fan favorites that have been neglected over the years, and it's time to give them the proper "love" that they deserve!
I'm still sore that Colossus virtually disappeared after the first episode of WATXM!

I agree that there should be a X-Men series where there is the original X-Men team (Iceman, Cyclops, Beast, Jean Grey and Angel) vs. the second generation of X-Men (Wolverine, Colossus, Storm and Nightcrawler) and have separate stories on each team and then they eventually come together at the end. That would make the series much more interesting!


I'm actually rather surprised that they didn't announce a new X-Men tv series.

Maybe they're just taking their time and really trying to figure out a new way to approach the X-Men, trying to make sure it doesn't bear any similarity to previous X-Men shows.

Oh well, it's not like the X-Men have been completely forgotten by Marvel TV. The X-Men Anime series will show up on G4 in a few months, and they announced at today's panel that the next Marvel Knights animation project will be to adapt more of Astonishing X-Men.

That's great about the Astonishing X-Men! I just read the series and now I can't wait to see them make animated versions of Dangerous, Torn and Unstoppable!

[Ttothem]

I agree. We definitely need to see some new main characters. Maybe a new baddy with the same fear inducing levels of menace as Sinister.

[Rabbitearsblog]

I agree. We definitely need to see some new main characters. Maybe a new baddy with the same fear inducing levels of menace as Sinister.

Yeah, for once, I like to see an X-Men cartoon that features Sinister more. He's a great villain!

[Bleak5170]

Not so many darn characters. Just a core team consisting of no more than 4, 5 or at a stretch 6 main heroes, with others relegated to supporting or guest star roles.
Equal balance between the team's members. Not just frame after frame of "Look how awesome Wolverine is!" or "Scott really loves Jean" or "Rogue is so tragic".



Agree 100% with your second point but it seems like it's mandatory for all cartoons to focus on a few key characters. I would be perfectly happy if we went weeks without seeing Logan, Emma, Scott etc...

I am the complete opposite when it comes to your first point though - I love large casts with as many characters as possible, (JLU, G.I. Joe, Transformers etc...).

I honestly have no interest in the X-men anime series though and it looks like the next X-men cartoon will be based on Whedon and Cassaday's Astonishing run. Great comic but I don't really need to see it in animated form. I would like something along the lines of the 1992 series or Wolverine & The X-men, (but with less emphasis on one character as in WOTM). My favourite X-men of all, Angel, needs to be a regular cast member as well. Might as well capitalize on his popularity which seems to be at an all-time high right now what with his part-time return to his Archangel persona.

[Rabbitearsblog]

I honestly have no interest in the X-men anime series though and it looks like the next X-men cartoon will be based on Whedon and Cassaday's Astonishing run. Great comic but I don't really need to see it in animated form. I would like something along the lines of the 1992 series or Wolverine & The X-men, (but with less emphasis on one character as in WOTM). My favourite X-men of all, Angel, needs to be a regular cast member as well. Might as well capitalize on his popularity which seems to be at an all-time high right now what with his part-time return to his Archangel persona.

I agree that Angel really needs to be shown as a main character in the next X-Men cartoon because he really is a great character and it's a shame that they don't do much with his character in the cartoon series. As for the Astonishing X-Men comic, I think it would be very interesting to have a cartoon on that as long as they don't try to make the series Wolverine centric because that would definitely ruin the greatness of the comic.

[Monte]

I honestly have no interest in the X-men anime series though and it looks like the next X-men cartoon will be based on Whedon and Cassaday's Astonishing run.
Ya the anime does not look to be anything special... saw the first few episodes and it feels like it suffers from serious pacing issues. Comes out so slow that its kind of dull. Though it does do similar to WatXM in that we are dealing with a post-jean grey Cyclops... only the anime gives him much more respect in dealing with his grief

As for astonishing X-men... i'm thinking that it is NOT gonna be the next X-men cartoon. I've been trying to find info and from what I can find I think Marvel Knights Animation are the guys who adapt comics into motion comics. So we are getting a motion comic of Astonishing X-men, not a cartoon

[suss2it]

So we are getting a motion comic of Astonishing X-men, not a cartoonThey already made that a motion comic. Not sure if they did Whedon's whole run though.

[Monte]

They already made that a motion comic. Not sure if they did Whedon's whole run though.
As far as I could find they only did the first story arc "gifted" last year. So Marvel knights could be talking about Adapting the rest of the volume

Besides, I think Astonishing X-men is much too short to adapt into a full series on its own... If they were going to adapt it to animation they would do a general animated series, and just state that some of the stories from astonishing x-men were going to be adapted or used as source material... kind of like how WatXM was an X-men series that used Days of Future Past, and were planning to use Age of Apocalypse as source material.

Also, knowing these forums, if marvel announced a new full X-men series, there would probably be a HUGE buzz about it with talks of who is producing, writing and so forth.

[Rabbitearsblog]

As far as I could find they only did the first story arc "gifted" last year. So Marvel knights could be talking about Adapting the rest of the volume

Besides, I think Astonishing X-men is much too short to adapt into a full series on its own... If they were going to adapt it to animation they would do a general animated series, and just state that some of the stories from astonishing x-men were going to be adapted or used as source material... kind of like how WatXM was an X-men series that used Days of Future Past, and were planning to use Age of Apocalypse as source material.

Also, knowing these forums, if marvel announced a new full X-men series, there would probably be a HUGE buzz about it with talks of who is producing, writing and so forth.

Oh yeah! Hopefully they pick the right people to work on the next X-Men cartoon!

[Frankyh]

None of the 90 no ... jumped from the start, although it may be referred

[Bleak5170]

As for astonishing X-men... i'm thinking that it is NOT gonna be the next X-men cartoon. I've been trying to find info and from what I can find I think Marvel Knights Animation are the guys who adapt comics into motion comics. So we are getting a motion comic of Astonishing X-men, not a cartoon

No it's an actual cartoon adaptation of that run of Astonishing. It was just recently announced at the SDCC.

[W.C.Reaf]

No it's an actual cartoon adaptation of that run of Astonishing. It was just recently announced at the SDCC.

Do you have a source that says it's not the motion comic? The only info I can find out it is that it's another motion comic adaption of the run.

[James Harvey]

I asked Marvel Head of Television Jeph Loeb about this earlier this morning and he says:


This is a Marvel Knights Animation question. We've previously done the first six issues of Joss/Cassaday's seminal run for MKA and what was announced at SDCC is that we'll be doing the entire storyline including the giant sized conclusion. Cassaday is acting as consultant. It's beautiful work and it deserves be presented in its original form using Marvel Knight Animation.

That should clarify things.This should also put a halt to any unnecessary rumors or incorrect statements.

[Bleak5170]

I asked Marvel Head of Television Jeph Loeb about this earlier this morning and he says:



That should clarify things.This should also put a halt to any unnecessary rumors or incorrect statements.

Damn that's a lot different than what every other site was saying. They all said, and I quote, "a new cartoon" based on Whedon and Cassaday's Astonishing run. Thanks for the clarification.

[Rabbitearsblog]

I asked Marvel Head of Television Jeph Loeb about this earlier this morning and he says:

This is a Marvel Knights Animation question. We've previously done the first six issues of Joss/Cassaday's seminal run for MKA and what was announced at SDCC is that we'll be doing the entire storyline including the giant sized conclusion. Cassaday is acting as consultant. It's beautiful work and it deserves be presented in its original form using Marvel Knight Animation.

That should clarify things.This should also put a halt to any unnecessary rumors or incorrect statements.

Awww...I kind of wish that this series was actually animated as a cartoon series or something, because even though I do enjoy seeing this in its original format, I wanted to see if they can do more with the story and the characters if it was expanded to a full blown series (of course, the story in Astonishing X-Men is perfect enough.)

[TheMadSlasher]

What would I like to see?

First and foremost: GOOD CHARACTERIZATION

I loved Logan in the 90's show. He was rebellious and anti-authoritarian. He also had integrity to his principles (which included his rebelliousness). But Evo and WATXM made him Drill Sergeant Nasty. That was utter treason against everything I loved about the guy in the 90's shows. WATXM turned him into a high school bully (by having him pick on Forge, who's clearly an audience surrogate (because apparently its cool to pick on the assumed audience!)).

Gambit needs to be fun, cocky, flirt with everything, etc. The comics made him pathetic and full of angst (after Antarctica). Thankfully Marjorie Liu is bringing the old Gambit back. But yeah, I want Gambit characterized like in the 90's show.

Iceman needs to have a personality besides "comic relief and self-loathing insecurities." Really, do what "Cold Comfort" did and give Bobby a spine (Cold Comfort Bobby was easily identifiable for me, so I like that episode). He was the team rebel before Wolverine came along... I'd like to see more of that rebelliousness.

All of the other characters have often been mishandled, but those three (characterized properly) are my faves. But correct characterization of all the other characters is needed too!

Second: DOWN WITH SCHOOL
No high school. No middle school. No primary school. Keep the characters adult. If you need a younger character for the audience surrogate, give us one that's just out of high school. Honestly, I'd love the next X-Men show to target an older audience.

Third: MORAL DIFFERENTIATION
"Darker and Edgier" often descends into making everyone a villain. With Cyclops doing his best Hitler impressions on Utopia in the comics, it seems some people have confused "moral complexity" with "lets make everyone evil." Please, make the X-Men actually good.

Fourth: STOP DEMEANING THE AUDIENCE
I notice that in so many of Marvel's shows these days, they deliberately make the audience surrogate character pathetic and incompetent and never get any respect and have everyone bully him (assuming its a male surrogate for a male audience). See Forge in WATXM or Reptil in SHSS. This isn't a nice thing to do, especially when the female audience gets escapist characters like Kitty Pryde.

But honestly, I know Marvel won't listen to what I want, which is why I write my own stuff.

[Rabbitearsblog]

First and foremost: GOOD CHARACTERIZATION

I loved Logan in the 90's show. He was rebellious and anti-authoritarian. He also had integrity to his principles (which included his rebelliousness). But Evo and WATXM made him Drill Sergeant Nasty. That was utter treason against everything I loved about the guy in the 90's shows. WATXM turned him into a high school bully (by having him pick on Forge, who's clearly an audience surrogate (because apparently its cool to pick on the assumed audience!)).

Gambit needs to be fun, cocky, flirt with everything, etc. The comics made him pathetic and full of angst (after Antarctica). Thankfully Marjorie Liu is bringing the old Gambit back. But yeah, I want Gambit characterized like in the 90's show.

Iceman needs to have a personality besides "comic relief and self-loathing insecurities." Really, do what "Cold Comfort" did and give Bobby a spine (Cold Comfort Bobby was easily identifiable for me, so I like that episode). He was the team rebel before Wolverine came along... I'd like to see more of that rebelliousness.

All of the other characters have often been mishandled, but those three (characterized properly) are my faves. But correct characterization of all the other characters is needed too!

I agree with all this! Even though I was interested in seeing Gambit as the bad thief he was portrayed in the comics early on, I want to see the 90s Gambit again and hopefully the next X-Men series will show that again. Also, Iceman really needs to have a better characterization.



Third: MORAL DIFFERENTIATION
"Darker and Edgier" often descends into making everyone a villain. With Cyclops doing his best Hitler impressions on Utopia in the comics, it seems some people have confused "moral complexity" with "lets make everyone evil." Please, make the X-Men actually good.

I don't get why in the comics lately, they have made Cyclops into the bad guy or something like that. It's so out of character for him and it also makes his decisions too suggestive. I would like it if the X-Men actually did something good in the next cartoon series, although I haven't seen an X-Men cartoon where they actually go bad.

[TheMadSlasher]

I agree with all this! Even though I was interested in seeing Gambit as the bad thief he was portrayed in the comics early on, I want to see the 90s Gambit again and hopefully the next X-Men series will show that again. Also, Iceman really needs to have a better characterization.

I'm grateful for your support! :)


I don't get why in the comics lately, they have made Cyclops into the bad guy or something like that.

Because Marvel believe making everyone evil makes the work more "morally complex" and thus "mature" (false on both counts).

I appreciate your support. Feel free to PM me if you'd like to talk more about the 90's X-Men show.

[Rabbitearsblog]

Because Marvel believe making everyone evil makes the work more "morally complex" and thus "mature" (false on both counts).

I appreciate your support. Feel free to PM me if you'd like to talk more about the 90's X-Men show.

Thanks!!! I will since I got a lot to discuss about that show!!

[Master Toon]

X-Men

- More Juggernaut. I prefer animation over comics but some of his best moments are in comics. Bring them to animation please!

- More Rogue drama. Remember when she freaked out in Evo? I want that but with the buxom, super-strong Rogue.

- Less Wolverine. I like him but he's in my face far too much.

Hulk

- More villains for more than one or two episodes. I am unfamiliar with a lot of the Hulk's enemies and the 90's series didn't help.

- She-Hulk but with a personality. In the 90's series she seemed to just be there for the audience to drool over her body. Mission accomplished. I drooled and had an inappropriate dream (don't ask), now give me personality to go along with it!

Fresh faces

- From what I've heard and read (myself) there are some characters who deserve their own series. Give someone else a chance.

[JTMarsh]

I'd like to see the old Shattering/The Twelve/Ages of Apocalypse adapted into animation, even though I know it will never happen for a variety of reasons.

[ShadowDemon]

Short answer: Wolverine & the X-Men Season 2

[Rabbitearsblog]

Short answer: Wolverine & the X-Men Season 2 Yeah, I wish that there was a season 2 for this show so that way we would know what happens next.

[TheMadSlasher]

Short answer: Wolverine & the X-Men Season 2

Oh please no. Not more WATXM.

That show's Logan was in so many ways the precise opposite of the Logan I liked in XTAS.

Logan is meant to be an outcast and rebel. He's not meant to fit in, he's not meant to be liked by everyone, he's not meant to be normal and he's not meant to be Mr. Authority. He should be the opposite.

But no, Marvel now are trying to make their properties more mainstream. Even X-Men which by the very nature of the franchise isn't meant to be mainstream. So that means the characters need to be less freakish and more normal.

So Logan's rebellion gets removed from his character, because Fitting In Is Cool, Popularity Is Good and The Complainer Is Always Wrong [/sarcasm].

WATXM wasn't the first to do this... Evolution did it too. But its still heresy either way.

I've already said how I'd handle a new X-Men show, but instead of just complaining I'll add something constructive. I'm in the process of writing two scripts, one for a continuation of XTAS (a Season 6) and the other is a new more realistic older-demographic style X-Men show which is set in Mutant College (NOT Mutant High) and has all adult characters.

XTAS Season 6: http://www.gambitguild.com/GGForum/index.php?topic=3051.0

Mutant College: http://www.gambitguild.com/GGForum/index.php?topic=3188.0

[satam55]

Short answer: Wolverine & the X-Men Season 2

Yes, I'd be very satisfied if we got this.

[Zorak Masaki]

I'd like them to take on more than just mutant villains. It would be interesting to see them take on the likes of Ultron, Mandarin, Dormamuu, Nightmare, etc. If it requires putting them in the same universe as Avengers: EMH, then do so (just dont go overboard with crossovers like 90s spider man). Basically, i'd like to see a greater variety of villains.

[Arsenal]

I have no specific plot lines I would ask for. However, there are some characters who I think consistently get the short shrift. I would like to see them featured more and better in future X-Men shows.

1. Storm

The X-Men have had their own show three times (X-Men: TAS, X-Men Evolution and Wolverine and the X-Men,) a special (Pryde of the X-Men) and a few guest appearances (Spider-Man and his Amazing Friends.)

Storm has been used in every single one of these but none could be considered a definitive version.

X-Men: TAS never quite knew what to do with her. They seemed to have an idea where they wanted to go with her character, playing up her leadership abilities and history as a goddess. However, her feature episodes tended to be weak because they included loser villains like Shadow King and Arkon. (Oh, and Blob once knocked her out with a tub of ice cream.)

She was reduced to babysitting and apologizing for Spyke in Evo and barely registered in WatX.

She's a good character, a marquee character. But nobody's gotten her right yet. I think using Claremont's original interpretation (a stranger in a strange land) might come across as racist nowadays. However, writers struggle with her modern interpretation because they confuse maternal and regal for boring.

But if someone could get Storm right it would open up a lot of storytelling possibilities.

2. Colossus

Colossus might be the most popular, least featured X-Men character.

He has never been a regular in an X-Men series. We got more Maverick appearances in WatX than Colossus.

Cannonball got more screen time than Colossus in Evo.

I imagine Colossus usually gets the short shrift because the creators opt for Beast instead of him.

But Piotr Rasputin is more than the strongman. He truly is the soul of whatever team he is on.

And by not using Colossus, writers also miss out on his character interactions with Kitty, Wolverine, Nightcrawler and Storm.

3. Havok

I think Cyclops is the opposite of Storm. I think he's gotten three pretty good interpretations in three tries.

They made him the leader in TAS, Slim in Evo and recast him as the Wolverine-type loose cannon in WatX.

So how do you add a new wrinkle to a character that's already been done well three times? Give him a little brother to alternately protect and compete with.

Havok appeared in TAS as a cameo. He was also in Evo -- the less said about that version, the better.

But the comic-book version of Havok -- the one with a chip on his shoulder -- has never been animated. Not only do I think he could be interesting on his own, but I think he could also bring something new out of Cyclops.

4. Banshee

Not even kidding. I've always liked this guy.

I think it would be funny to make him the old man of the group (like he was in the Giant Size era.) He could say stuff like "I'm getting too old for this..."

[Rabbitearsblog]

I have no specific plot lines I would ask for. However, there are some characters who I think consistently get the short shrift. I would like to see them featured more and better in future X-Men shows. 1. Storm The X-Men have had their own show three times (X-Men: TAS, X-Men Evolution and Wolverine and the X-Men,) a special (Pryde of the X-Men) and a few guest appearances (Spider-Man and his Amazing Friends.) Storm has been used in every single one of these but none could be considered a definitive version. X-Men: TAS never quite knew what to do with her. They seemed to have an idea where they wanted to go with her character, playing up her leadership abilities and history as a goddess. However, her feature episodes tended to be weak because they included loser villains like Shadow King and Arkon. (Oh, and Blob once knocked her out with a tub of ice cream.) She was reduced to babysitting and apologizing for Spyke in Evo and barely registered in WatX. She's a good character, a marquee character. But nobody's gotten her right yet. I think using Claremont's original interpretation (a stranger in a strange land) might come across as racist nowadays. However, writers struggle with her modern interpretation because they confuse maternal and regal for boring. But if someone could get Storm right it would open up a lot of storytelling possibilities. 2. Colossus Colossus might be the most popular, least featured X-Men character. He has never been a regular in an X-Men series. We got more Maverick appearances in WatX than Colossus. Cannonball got more screen time than Colossus in Evo. I imagine Colossus usually gets the short shrift because the creators opt for Beast instead of him. But Piotr Rasputin is more than the strongman. He truly is the soul of whatever team he is on. And by not using Colossus, writers also miss out on his character interactions with Kitty, Wolverine, Nightcrawler and Storm. 3. Havok I think Cyclops is the opposite of Storm. I think he's gotten three pretty good interpretations in three tries. They made him the leader in TAS, Slim in Evo and recast him as the Wolverine-type loose cannon in WatX. So how do you add a new wrinkle to a character that's already been done well three times? Give him a little brother to alternately protect and compete with. Havok appeared in TAS as a cameo. He was also in Evo -- the less said about that version, the better. But the comic-book version of Havok -- the one with a chip on his shoulder -- has never been animated. Not only do I think he could be interesting on his own, but I think he could also bring something new out of Cyclops. 4. Banshee Not even kidding. I've always liked this guy. I think it would be funny to make him the old man of the group (like he was in the Giant Size era.) He could say stuff like "I'm getting too old for this..." I definitely agree with you on everything, especially with Storm and Colossus. Storm might have been featured in every X-Men cartoon, but they never really got her character right and she just ends up being the background character in the series since the series don't know what to do with her. Colossus is another character that really deserved to be a major character, especially since I go on the comic forums and I keep hearing about Colossus and it's a wonder why the TV shows never used him to his full potential. It would definitely be great if there was an X-Men series that casts Colossus as a main character for once.

[Kumori MC]

I agree with Liverpool on the Storm issue. She needs more exposure animation-wise. Pronto.

[TheMadSlasher]

I agree with Liverpool on the Storm issue. She needs more exposure animation-wise. Pronto.

I'm tempted to agree.

Personally, I can't entirely understand Storm or relate to her. But she's a fascinating character with a unique personality. She's one of the most famous X-Men and deserves more love.

I'd also like to see Marvel's abominable travesty known as Ororo/T'Challa replaced with Ororo/Logan and/or Ororo/Remy (disclosure: I dislike Rogue and want to see Remy/Rogue flushed down the memory hole... no offense to those who like it, I just don't). Both make heaps of sense.

That said, I think TAS handled her pretty well, apart from the overly dramatic invocations. Evolution and ESPECIALLY WATXM were absolute fails on the Storm department.

[Kumori MC]

WatXM had that Angel/Storm episode, which I enjoyed thoroughly. It was, hands down, one of the greatest episodes the show had to offer.

[Though I'd probably prefer the unmade one with Deadpool. Ah well.]

I also had a couple of ideas myself, regarding Marvel Animation in general, but I'll just post the ones related to the X-Men.

Aside from continuing WatXM [improved and with more character development, and I mean a LOT more], I was thinking of Evolution being given at least one more season, a wrap-up of sorts. Something of a "thank you" to the fans who supported the premise of the show, and the show itself [personally, I disliked it a lot, so me saying this means something :P]. There could also be room for a few DtV X-men animated movies that go beyond the Y7 rating, like something involving X-Calibre, or the X-force. Or even a good Cable storyline.

Coincidentally, this is related to the topic. Who knew?

:D

[Rabbitearsblog]

WatXM had that Angel/Storm episode, which I enjoyed thoroughly. It was, hands down, one of the greatest episodes the show had to offer.

[Though I'd probably prefer the unmade one with Deadpool. Ah well.]

I also had a couple of ideas myself, regarding Marvel Animation in general, but I'll just post the ones related to the X-Men.

Aside from continuing WatXM [improved and with more character development, and I mean a LOT more], I was thinking of Evolution being given at least one more season, a wrap-up of sorts. Something of a "thank you" to the fans who supported the premise of the show, and the show itself [personally, I disliked it a lot, so me saying this means something :P]. There could also be room for a few DtV X-men animated movies that go beyond the Y7 rating, like something involving X-Calibre, or the X-force. Or even a good Cable storyline.

Coincidentally, this is related to the topic. Who knew?

:D

I agree that there should be a fifth season to X-Men Evolution since it would give the series more of a proper closure. I also wanted to see more of Gambit and Colossus in the fifth season since they were introduced in the show and they were shown as X-Men in the end. I also want an X-Men that is beyond a Y7 rating also, especially if there's a chance of Joss Whedon's run of "Astonishing X-Men" making it on TV.

[suss2it]

I agree that there should be a fifth season to X-Men Evolution since it would give the series more of a proper closure. I also wanted to see more of Gambit and Colossus in the fifth season since they were introduced in the show and they were shown as X-Men in the end. I also want an X-Men that is beyond a Y7 rating also, especially if there's a chance of Joss Whedon's run of "Astonishing X-Men" making it on TV.The X-Men anime is beyond a Y7 rating.

[Kumori MC]

The X-Men anime is beyond a Y7 rating.

X-Men anime is miserable.

The only significant improvement over the previous X-Men series is the fact that Storm got a slightly bigger role.

Oh, and they did capture Wolverine to the core.

And okay, the several [rather awesome] cameos at the...well, I won't spoil anything.

But story-wise, it was absolute rubbish. Forgive me for being so blunt about it, but the fact stands.

[TheMadSlasher]

X-Men anime is miserable.

The only significant improvement over the previous X-Men series is the fact that Storm got a slightly bigger role.

And got totally, utterly chickified in the process. She acts like movie-Storm.


Oh, and they did capture Wolverine to the core.

In the anime? I disagree. They had him being pretty damn nasty to Hisako, and making muscle-man poses while talking about "the need to be strong" and all that... which is just cringe-inducing. At least when he's well-characterized, Logan doesn't descend into Gears-Of-War-esque Preposterone.

But Marvel don't exactly care about good characterization any more.

[suss2it]

And got totally, utterly chickified in the process. She acts like movie-Storm.



In the anime? I disagree. They had him being pretty damn nasty to Hisako, and making muscle-man poses while talking about "the need to be strong" and all that... which is just cringe-inducing. At least when he's well-characterized, Logan doesn't descend into Gears-Of-War-esque Preposterone.

But Marvel don't exactly care about good characterization any more.Seriously? Marvel the entire company doesn't care about characterization? How you watched Avengers: EMH? Read Avengers Academy or Uncanny X-Force? What about the recent live-action movies from Iron Man to Thor to X-Men: First Class or Captain America?

[TheMadSlasher]

Seriously? Marvel the entire company doesn't care about characterization? How you watched Avengers: EMH? Read Avengers Academy or Uncanny X-Force? What about the recent live-action movies from Iron Man to Thor to X-Men: First Class or Captain America?

I said Marvel doesn't care about good characterization.

"Good" in this context meaning "characterization I like."

Yes, I know its subjective and each to their own tastes. But "Marvel isn't catering to my preferences like they used to" is a completely legitimate reason to complain.

[AlgeaX]

I'm not really itching for a new X-Men toon but if I had to choose, there's one thing I'd want above all else...

Less Monolithic and More Ethically Diverse Human Characters

One of my biggest bugbears with the X-Franchise is how non-mutant are almost always potrayed as universally anti-mutant. Yeah, I know the whole series is about predjudice and all but it's so monolithic and over the top that you start to wonder why we're supposed to side with Xavier over Magneto. I'm not saying they should dump the bigotry angle but there needs to be a counterpoint to the Senator Kellys and the Graydon Creeds. We need to see some sign that Xavier's dream is possible.

One great way of doing this would be to take somebody like Moira Mctaggart and make her a main cast member on the show. Let her be the X-Men's Elisa Maza. Or give one of the X-Men a human signifigant other, or parents who are okay with their son/daughter being a mutant.

And heck, just because a human character isn't anti-mutant doesn't mean they can't be an antagonist. How about a recurring human supervillain who simply sees the X-Men as another batch of costumed do-gooders? Or as a flipside to the Purifiers/Church of Humanity, how about a human cult that worships mutants as being blessed by divine power?

[Hypestyle]

...I'd like to see:
less wolverine

different team lineups- X-Factor (original), New Mutants, X-Force 90s or 00's.. Excalibur..

showcase different characters-
Bishop, Havok, Polaris, Iceman, Archangel, Forge..

[TheVileOne]

There will never be less Wolverine. He's the big draw to X-Men and their most popular character. I know he gets overexposed sometimes, but them's the breaks.

[TheMadSlasher]

I'm not really itching for a new X-Men toon but if I had to choose, there's one thing I'd want above all else...

Less Monolithic and More Ethically Diverse Human Characters



I absolutely agree here.

Because not all men are sexist, not all straights are homophobic, not all whites are racist. So why should all baseline humans be depicted as mutant-haters? It makes no sense.

It is simply unrealistic (and prejudiced!) to have an all-humans-hate-all-mutants scenario.

[Rabbitearsblog]

I absolutely agree here. Because not all men are sexist, not all straights are homophobic, not all whites are racist. So why should all baseline humans be depicted as mutant-haters? It makes no sense. It is simply unrealistic (and prejudiced!) to have an all-humans-hate-all-mutants scenario. I definitely agree with this! The older X-Men comics had some human characters who were willing to help out the X-Men, so why can't there be any human characters in the TV series that could help out the X-Men in their time of need? If the X-Men want to promote peace among the humans, then they would need human characters to show the public that mutants are not as bad as they think and that mutants are like everyone else. So, the next X-Men cartoon should definitely have some human characters, like Moira MacTaggert, helping out the X-Men.

[Miyamoto Musashi]

No obscure existing content (as if I'll have it anyway)
More Iceman
No Jean
Deadpool
No Emma (regardless that I like her)
Nothing cosmic
Not the overpowered undefeated Magneto who can do almost anything even switching Earth rotation, just make him a genius leader and give him reasonable powers to reach nothing beyond one block
More Colossus
Nothing Ultimate

I think I covered it just fine

[Lighthammer]

Honestly, I think it's time for X-Men to be on a very long hiatus or they need to do something really different with the series.

In the last 20ish years, we've had 4 series (including Pryde of the X-Men).

Each had very good merits, but each told essentially the same story.

If Wolverine and the X-Men continued, I would still totally be watching it, but its not because of all the rights issues that occurred from the Disney acquisition.

If they're going to do another series any time in the near future, the series IMHO is going to need to take a whole new direction that hasn't been explored yet.

The thing I liked about X-Men First Class is it started the story from a point we really never saw on the screen (big screen or otherwise) and as far as I know, it was never touched on in an actual comic series (although I don't follow them too, too closely).

The next series either needs to follow up on what First Class did and actually START IT from the very beginning or fast forward a bunch and have a series that takes place with the children of the X-Men (only a few stories have explored that).

Another angle off the top of my head that we've never really seen on the screen is the process of setting up the various other X-Men-ish groups. It would be kind of neat to either see X Factor hit the screen or an X-Men series that deals with the X Factor split.

What I don't want to see in the next series is stories that involve mutants being treated as a second class citizen, stories about the struggle between normals and mutants (a la Magneto conflicts), stories involving Apocalypse, stories involving Phoenix or stories involving the Shi'ar Empire. I think each of those have been done too much in the recent past.

[suss2it]

Honestly, I think it's time for X-Men to be on a very long hiatus or they need to do something really different with the series.Can't speak for the 90s series but X-Men: Evolution, Wolverine and the X-Men and Marvel Anime: X-Men all have similarities since they deal with the same characters, but IMO I think they all come across as different from each other. Especially Evolution.


In the last 20ish years, we've had 4 series (including Pryde of the X-Men). A pilot isn't a series. However the number's still 4 cause of the recent anime.


Each had very good merits, but each told essentially the same story.I disagree. X-Men: Evolution didn't have humans know about Mutants for the first two seasons, whereas WatXM dealt with that from the start. WatXM had elements like Genosha, the MRD and the future stuff going on, all of which was absent from Evo.


If Wolverine and the X-Men continued, I would still totally be watching it, but its not because of all the rights issues that occurred from the Disney acquisition. It was funding issues that got it canceled, not rights issues.


If they're going to do another series any time in the near future, the series IMHO is going to need to take a whole new direction that hasn't been explored yet.Agreed.


Another angle off the top of my head that we've never really seen on the screen is the process of setting up the various other X-Men-ish groups. It would be kind of neat to either see X Factor hit the screen or an X-Men series that deals with the X Factor split.Don't know much about X-Factor but seeing the X-Force, the black ops version that is, in animation would be awesome.


What I don't want to see in the next series is stories that involve mutants being treated as a second class citizen, stories about the struggle between normals and mutants (a la Magneto conflicts), stories involving Apocalypse, stories involving Phoenix or stories involving the Shi'ar Empire. I think each of those have been done too much in the recent past.But, that's essentially what the X-Men are about. Protecting a world that fears and hates them and all that. The Shi'ar Empire stuff hasn't been touched in animation AFAIK. Maybe in the 90s, but again I haven't seen that one, and it's been almost 20 years, so it'd still be fresh. The Phoenix stuff has been done to death though, so I'm fine with moving on from that. Hell don't feature Jean at all, and just keep Emma.

[Lighthammer]

Can't speak for the 90s series but X-Men: Evolution, Wolverine and the X-Men and Marvel Anime: X-Men all have similarities since they deal with the same characters, but IMO I think they all come across as different from each other. Especially Evolution.

I'm --- really surprised you didn't see the 90s series.


A pilot isn't a series. However the number's still 4 cause of the recent anime.

A pilot that made it to broadcast is essentially a cancelled series, but I suppose there's easily room for people to take it one way or another. I personally still consider a series, essentially with the amount of paraphernalia that was put out for it.


I disagree. X-Men: Evolution didn't have humans know about Mutants for the first two seasons, whereas WatXM dealt with that from the start. WatXM had elements like Genosha, the MRD and the future stuff going on, all of which was absent from Evo.

I haven't taken any polls on this recently to see what people think today, but certainly back during its original broadcast, people were really unhappy with the series during the first season. The only thing that kept it afloat was the popularity of the movies at the time. The series only got good half way through the second season.


But, that's essentially what the X-Men are about. Protecting a world that fears and hates them and all that. The Shi'ar Empire stuff hasn't been touched in animation AFAIK. Maybe in the 90s, but again I haven't seen that one, and it's been almost 20 years, so it'd still be fresh. The Phoenix stuff has been done to death though, so I'm fine with moving on from that. Hell don't feature Jean at all, and just keep Emma.

See, that's problematic that people only see X-Men as that. Those story plots are certainly big parts of X-Men and I'm not going to claim or insinuate for one second they're aren't good. The problem is X-Men lore goes way beyond those plot devices over the last 30 years. X-Men has a lot more stories to tell if the producers of a perspective new series would pull from previous comic stories. There's even more stories to tell if they decide to build upon events that have been told, retold and retold again.

If a new X-Men series comes out soonish, it needs to do something completely different.

I don't need or want yet ANOTHER X-Men series to come out telling the same story again.

Now if Marvel is content to let the series drift for another 10 years without a new series, then they can rehash these same plot elements again.

I mean if you just pick apart the wiki on X-Men (http://marvel.wikia.com/Earth-616) (http://marvel.wikia.com/Earth-616), you could come up with 10 plot devices that haven't been touched in an animated series. House of M really needs to finally be in an animated series for instance. Those comic events are really good and that series is getting close to being 10 years old now.

[Rabbitearsblog]

Honestly, I think it's time for X-Men to be on a very long hiatus or they need to do something really different with the series.

In the last 20ish years, we've had 4 series (including Pryde of the X-Men).

Each had very good merits, but each told essentially the same story.

If Wolverine and the X-Men continued, I would still totally be watching it, but its not because of all the rights issues that occurred from the Disney acquisition.

If they're going to do another series any time in the near future, the series IMHO is going to need to take a whole new direction that hasn't been explored yet.

The thing I liked about X-Men First Class is it started the story from a point we really never saw on the screen (big screen or otherwise) and as far as I know, it was never touched on in an actual comic series (although I don't follow them too, too closely).

The next series either needs to follow up on what First Class did and actually START IT from the very beginning or fast forward a bunch and have a series that takes place with the children of the X-Men (only a few stories have explored that).

Another angle off the top of my head that we've never really seen on the screen is the process of setting up the various other X-Men-ish groups. It would be kind of neat to either see X Factor hit the screen or an X-Men series that deals with the X Factor split.

What I don't want to see in the next series is stories that involve mutants being treated as a second class citizen, stories about the struggle between normals and mutants (a la Magneto conflicts), stories involving Apocalypse, stories involving Phoenix or stories involving the Shi'ar Empire. I think each of those have been done too much in the recent past.

I totally agree with all of these points! I think that the next X-Men animated series really needs to do something different instead of constantly talking about Apocalypse or the Dark Phoenix Saga (even though that was one of my favorite stories!).

I would like to see a totally different cast in the series instead of the same characters we seen in every animated incarnation. It would be nice if there was a series where Storm is the leader and in her group, she would have Colossus, Iceman, Havok, Polaris, Psylocke (just mentioning characters who haven't been main characters in any of the X-Men series) so that way, we would have X-Men characters who haven't been introduced as a major character in the animated series and do interesting stories around them.

I also want to see the next animated series to take on new stories. I think that Joss Whedon's run on Astonishing X-Men was really good and might transcend well to an animated series.

[Silverstar]

What I don't want to see in the next series is stories that involve mutants being treated as a second class citizen, stories about the struggle between normals and mutants (a la Magneto conflicts), stories involving Apocalypse, stories involving Phoenix or stories involving the Shi'ar Empire. I think each of those have been done too much in the recent past.

I'm with you on not dragging out the Phoenix Saga yet again (heck, at this stage I think we could get an X-Men show which doesn't feature Jean at all; she's been dead in the comics for quite a while now IIRC, and Emma has basically replaced her as the team's resident psychic and Scott's love interest), but there's never going to be an X-Men show which doesn't deal with mutant persecution and mutant/normal relationships, 'cause that at core is what X-Men is about: the nature of prejudice. What I'd like to see is a broader scope of said conflict rather than everything always being so black-and-white: let's show some more humans (including some powerful and influential ones) who aren't prejudiced against mutants (I'd like to see a more or less even split between mutant haters and mutant sympathizers), or maybe a pressure group of humans who actually want mutants to take over (perhaps a Messianic cult who sees mutants as the saviors of mankind or something), or have the X-Men fight some other villains besides just Magneto, Mojo, Apocalypse and the Brotherhood, or some non-mutant baddies who see the X-Men as just another bothersome team of superheroes? If we must have the prejudice angle, I say give it some variety and portray things a little grayer rather than it always being "all humans hate muties" and "one day the mutant/human conflict is going to come to a head and trigger Armageddon". Those things are played out.

-FTR, yes, the Shi'ar Empire was indeed depicted in the 90's cartoon.

[suss2it]

I'm --- really surprised you didn't see the 90s series.It debuted a year before I was born, so it's a bit before my time. And unlike B:TAS I haven't heard good enough things to want to seek it out. But I am a superhero and cartoon fan, so I'll probably check it out sometime in the future. Helps that it's Netflix now too.


I haven't taken any polls on this recently to see what people think today, but certainly back during its original broadcast, people were really unhappy with the series during the first season. The only thing that kept it afloat was the popularity of the movies at the time. The series only got good half way through the second season.I pretty much agree. When the humans found out about the Mutants, Evolution started to get really interesting.


See, that's problematic that people only see X-Men as that. Those story plots are certainly big parts of X-Men and I'm not going to claim or insinuate for one second they're aren't good. The problem is X-Men lore goes way beyond those plot devices over the last 30 years. X-Men has a lot more stories to tell if the producers of a perspective new series would pull from previous comic stories. There's even more stories to tell if they decide to build upon events that have been told, retold and retold again.Fair enough. I'm not intimately familiar with the X-Men lore in the comics, but I'm willing to bet that Grant Morrison's New X-Men is full of crazy and new ideas ready to be explored in animation.


If a new X-Men series comes out soonish, it needs to do something completely different.

I don't need or want yet ANOTHER X-Men series to come out telling the same story again. Agreed on both. But I still don't think that Evolution, WaTXM​ and the anime are homogeneous.


I totally agree with all of these points! I think that the next X-Men animated series really needs to do something different instead of constantly talking about Apocalypse or the Dark Phoenix Saga (even though that was one of my favorite stories!).The DPS definitely needs a break, but Apocalypse hasn't been featured that much. At least not to the degree of the Phoenix drama. He was the big bad in Evolution and probably had a big role in the 90s show, but he wasn't in WatXM (although he was definitely gonna be the big bad for second season) and so far he hasn't shown up in anime.


I would like to see a totally different cast in the series instead of the same characters we seen in every animated incarnation. It would be nice if there was a series where Storm is the leader and in her group, she would have Colossus, Iceman, Havok, Polaris, Psylocke (just mentioning characters who haven't been main characters in any of the X-Men series) so that way, we would have X-Men characters who haven't been introduced as a major character in the animated series and do interesting stories around them. Iceman was a main character in WatXM and Evolution by the time Spyke left.


I also want to see the next animated series to take on new stories. I think that Joss Whedon's run on Astonishing X-Men was really good and might transcend well to an animated series.Agreed. Although the anime has a near identical roster to Whedon's Astonishing, Colossus and Shadowcat are the only ones missing I think.

[Medinnus]

Fair enough. I'm not intimately familiar with the X-Men lore in the comics, but I'm willing to bet that Grant Morrison's New X-Men is full of crazy and new ideas ready to be explored in animation.

With all due respect to Grant Morrison, there's plenty of stories that were told before 1980 and the coming of the second generation of teams. I just don't understand how people want to see the comics they love re-told again while ignoring decades of good stories that are fresh (well, at least they are to them!).

I'm working on my outline for what I call the Uncanny X-Men, Season One - here is a quick preview of the beginning:

Uncanny X-Men - Season One

Disclaimer - This series is meant to co-exist in the Avengers: Earth's Mightiest Heroes universe, and be its counterpart, establishing the beginnings and origins of the X-Men and its mythos.

#01 - "Cyclops" - Orphan Scott Summers is remanded into the custody of Charles Xavier from a juvenile detention facility. Charles Xavier is a noted expert on mutant biology, and consults with the United States government and SHIELD. The Professor takes the only hardcopy of Scott's file, and uses his powers to convince the authorities to erase any record of Scott Summers in the system. Professor X takes Scott to the very exclusive private school in Westchester, NY - Xavier's School for Gifted Students. Professor X explains how the school holds several research grants from the MRD and SHIELD for designing restraints for mutant-based super-powered criminals, which is important so that Professor X can keep track of their progress and plans regarding mutantkind.

Meanwhile, the School is designed to locate and help young mutants train and control their extraordinary abilities - and Scott is the first student of the "Advanced" class. Professor X tries to help Scott's amnesia, and we get to see the plane crash, and Scott's brother Alex before his block snaps into place. Professor X comments that the blocks are strong, and need to be gently conquered, not broken, for the sake of Scott's mental health. Meanwhile, Mr. Sinister shows up from the orphange to the juvenile detention facility; he'd been called to pick up Scott before Professor X eliminated his records. Mr. Sinister leaves, curious and pondering.

#02 - "Open Enrollment" - Professor X and Cyclops travel around the country, attempting to recruit several more mutant students. They find the celebrated athelete Henry McCoy, whose abilities and intellect have alienated him from the rest of the student body (the geeks with whom he was friends feel betrayed by his new athelete status, and the jocks he outshines resent the fact that one of the four-eyed squint squad performs so much better than they do), who proves eager to accept a scholarship.

Bobby Drake is in protective custody after reflexively freezing a bully who was attempting to ruin Bobby's date with Judy Harmon; the frightened townspeople formed an angry mob, and the local sherrif was forced to place Bobby in jail to prevent a lynching. Professor X speaks with Bobby's parents, and offers Bobby a full scholoarship; they accept. Bobby, however, does not, and tries to escape. He and Cyclops struggle, and Cyclops proves to Bobby that he's not alone; that there are others like him in kind, if not in powers. Bobby accepts.

Professor X then tries to recruit Angelica Jones, but Emma Frost has already gotten there first, and Angela's grandfather has already made the decision to send her to the Massachusetts Academy, which is connected to the Hellfire Club. Xavier visits the Massachusetts Academy campus, meets Emma Frost, and discovers that she is a telepath. While leaving, prospective student Warren Worthington III rejects his father's order that he enroll at the Massachusetts Academy and instead, on the spur of the moment, decides to go to Xavier's school instead.

#03 - "Magneto Missle Crisis" - Professor X calls a halt to a Danger Room training exercise so that his Advanced Class can meet their newest classmate, the telekenetic Jean Grey. Introductions are made; Jean has actually been being trained and tutored by Professor X for some time, until he could form the Advanced class.

Meanwhile, the mutant terrorist known as Magneto makes his debut in the United States, having been involved in a wide crime spree throughout Eastern Europe. Magneto attacks and takes over a nuclear launch facility, threatening atomic destruction across the United States and the world if his demands for an independant mutant homeland aren't met. The MRD deploys against Magneto, using containment devices and non-lethal weapons that Professor X helped design; they prove ineffective against a mutant of Magneto's training and strength. Professor X gives the X-Men their battle uniforms, and deploys them as a team against Magneto. Big battle, Magneto escapes, his plans momentarily defeated - but some of the MRD equipment records footage of the X-Men, which is deemed top-super-secret.

#04 - "Everyone Loves A Circus" - Professor X finishes Cerebro version 1.0, which he uses to confirm that a crime-spree in the American South-West is following the appearance of Ringmaster's Circus. The X-Men battle the Ringmaster, Crafty Clown, the Flying Gaminos, Princess Python, Rajah, the Human Cannonball, and the Blob. The police are alerted anonymously, find the loot of the other robberies, and arrest the lot. The Blob is stolen from police transit by Magneto as a recruit for his Brotherhood of Mutants; Magneto's battle with the X-Men has convinced him that he cannot achieve his ends alone.

#05 - "The Brotherhood of Mutants" - Magneto and the Blob arrive at Asteroid M - the near-Earth orbital platform from which Magneto and the Brotherhood make their attacks. The Blob is introduced to the other members - Mastermind, the Toad, Quicksilver and the Scarlet Witch, and Unus the Untouchable. Magneto has made a secret treaty with certain South American countries; he attacks and conquers Santa Marco, a small South American country, and those other powers will recognize his regime and form a mutual defense pact, giving Magneto autonomy in exchange for military assistance of himself and his Brotherhood of Mutants. Magneto and the Brotherhood attack Santa Marco, but the X-Men defeat the Brotherhood with the assistance of Roberto DeCosta, a local mutant and the scion of one of Santa Marco's ruling families. Afterwards, Roberto's father turns down Professor X's pitch to have Roberto enroll, as he has already made plans -- Roberto is sent to America to school, for specialized training for his abilities - to the Massachusetts Academy.

#06 - “The Vanisher” - The MRD asks Professor X to help stop the Vanisher, a teleporter who has been stealing secret government documents and prototypes. The Vanisher’s teleportation follows lines of magnetic force, and Professor X rigs a device that should deny him access; the Vanisher tries to vanish and apparently disintigrates, only to re-appear before Magneto, who has been following the Vanisher’s progress, and decided to recruit him for the Brotherhood.

[Jazz1000]

I, Don't mind another X-Man Series But More Like Old Original Series That Were Less Hero's I Did Like Original And Evolution And Hoping That Next X-Man Will Be Good :)

[Lighthammer]

I would like to see a totally different cast in the series instead of the same characters we seen in every animated incarnation. It would be nice if there was a series where Storm is the leader and in her group, she would have Colossus, Iceman, Havok, Polaris, Psylocke (just mentioning characters who haven't been main characters in any of the X-Men series) so that way, we would have X-Men characters who haven't been introduced as a major character in the animated series and do interesting stories around them.

That's a good point: We've seen Cyclops in charge, we've seen Wolverine in charge, but we haven't seen Storm in charge yet.

Storm WAS the leader of the X-Men for a very long time at many points. I'm pretty sure Wolverine's popularity has overshadowed that fact though and I'm not wholly sure how much we could expect Storm to actually have a role like that.

What I think we really need is a story that features another leader figure people can rally around. Of other candidates that have been leader at some point, we also have Cable, Forge, Bobby (Iceman) and Havok.

A series that centered around Cable would be a nice change of pace. Every series that might have explained Cable's was cut short of actually doing it. The question would be; could they do a good story about Cable without turning it into a nightmare of space / time paradox's ?

There are a ton of other X-Men that haven't gotten a lot of screen play over the years and I think it IS time to see them get some time. I'm very sad Colossus has never been featured in a series, when, once again, he was a main stay member in the comics. Even a story dealing with him turning the dark side (joining Magento) would be fun. Pyslock certainly has bad almost zilch for screen time and the same goes for Dazzler.

Marvel Girl hasn't had ANY real use in the series except to be a story plot device of how Rogue got her super powers in the 90s series. Another fun plot would be to see Rogue start off being UNQUESTIONABLY the bad guy with Mystique and a few other agents (NO, GOD NO, not the Brotherhood again!) and have a plot based around Rogue taking her powers.

We also need a GOOD Forge story. WatXM made Forge look like a bumbling fool. It really didn't get anywhere close to showing off his potential.

For other ideas, I'd suggest looking at this (FYI there are spoilers):
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_X-Men_members#New_Mutants_Graduate_X-Men_.281986.29

Regardless of what plots are actually played with, I think the Fantastic Four, Stark Industries (not necessarily Iron Man or Warmachine) and shield need to be more heavily involved in the series then ever before.


It debuted a year before I was born, so it's a bit before my time. And unlike B:TAS I haven't heard good enough things to want to seek it out. But I am a superhero and cartoon fan, so I'll probably check it out sometime in the future. Helps that it's Netflix now too.

Damn, you're a lot younger then I gave you credit for. Take that as you will.

I always thought you were more in Sketch's and my age range.


That being said, the 90s series was AWESOME for its time, but it didn't age well. I find myself watching the 90s X-Men series and getting really, really, really bored of it because of how bad the pacing was.



Agreed on both. But I still don't think that Evolution, WaTXM​ and the anime are homogeneous.


I don't know much about the anime except the reactions of people when they first showed the test reels. It wasn't pretty.


I do think Evolution and WaTXM are a little too close together. If you tilt your head and look at both series just the right way, it almost feels like WaTXM could take place a few years after Evolution. We obviously know thats not the case and there's more then a few "plot holes' from preventing that from being true. Both series just feel far too similar to me and that's not really a bad thing considering when each series came out.



The DPS definitely needs a break, but Apocalypse hasn't been featured that much. At least not to the degree of the Phoenix drama. He was the big bad in Evolution and probably had a big role in the 90s show, but he wasn't in WatXM (although he was definitely gonna be the big bad for second season) and so far he hasn't shown up in anime.


Apocalypse was a major part of the the 90s series. I think most of us who know the 90s series look back at it badly because of all the time paradox stories it caused in that series. How many episodes did we get that featured some mash between Cable, Bishop and Apocalypse.


It was fun for the time, but looking at a future series, I don't want to have THAT MUCH time travel in a series ever again! It became too much of a plot crutch, especially in later series.

[Rabbitearsblog]

[/QUOTE]
That's a good point: We've seen Cyclops in charge, we've seen Wolverine in charge, but we haven't seen Storm in charge yet.

Storm WAS the leader of the X-Men for a very long time at many points. I'm pretty sure Wolverine's popularity has overshadowed that fact though and I'm not wholly sure how much we could expect Storm to actually have a role like that.

What I think we really need is a story that features another leader figure people can rally around. Of other candidates that have been leader at some point, we also have Cable, Forge, Bobby (Iceman) and Havok.

A series that centered around Cable would be a nice change of pace. Every series that might have explained Cable's was cut short of actually doing it. The question would be; could they do a good story about Cable without turning it into a nightmare of space / time paradox's ?

There are a ton of other X-Men that haven't gotten a lot of screen play over the years and I think it IS time to see them get some time. I'm very sad Colossus has never been featured in a series, when, once again, he was a main stay member in the comics. Even a story dealing with him turning the dark side (joining Magento) would be fun. Pyslock certainly has bad almost zilch for screen time and the same goes for Dazzler.

Marvel Girl hasn't had ANY real use in the series except to be a story plot device of how Rogue got her super powers in the 90s series. Another fun plot would be to see Rogue start off being UNQUESTIONABLY the bad guy with Mystique and a few other agents (NO, GOD NO, not the Brotherhood again!) and have a plot based around Rogue taking her powers.

We also need a GOOD Forge story. WatXM made Forge look like a bumbling fool. It really didn't get anywhere close to showing off his potential.

For other ideas, I'd suggest looking at this (FYI there are spoilers):
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_X-Men_members#New_Mutants_Graduate_X-Men_.281986.29

Regardless of what plots are actually played with, I think the Fantastic Four, Stark Industries (not necessarily Iron Man or Warmachine) and shield need to be more heavily involved in the series then ever before.

I definitely agree that Cable needs to be featured more in the cartoons. I found his character to be really interesting and it's a shame that none of the cartoons really used him. I also like for Nate Grey to make some kind of appearance in the cartoons. I'm still upset about Colossus not being in the cartoons that much since he's one of the more popular characters in the comics.

[Medinnus]

I definitely agree that Cable needs to be featured more in the cartoons. I found his character to be really interesting and it's a shame that none of the cartoons really used him. I also like for Nate Grey to make some kind of appearance in the cartoons. I'm still upset about Colossus not being in the cartoons that much since he's one of the more popular characters in the comics.

I definitely think that all of the time-travel stuff has been done to death, and it - and any of the characters which depend upon it - should be banished for at least a decade.

[Lighthammer]

I definitely think that all of the time-travel stuff has been done to death, and it - and any of the characters which depend upon it - should be banished for at least a decade.

Thats why I am REALLY cautious when suggesting we go into the whole saga of Scott and Jean's kids.

Cable could work, Nate could work, Rachel Anne Grey could work, but not all in the same series without using time travel and paradox universes all over the place ... at least not without completely rewriting the story.

The other thing that occurs to me --- why couldn't a new X-Men series actually be a follow up series to WatXM ? There's not exactly any rights issues that I'm aware of that would prevent it.

Like I mentioned earlier in the thread, there were a lot of queues that made it seem like it could be almost be POSSIBLE that Evolution was the prequel to WatXM. Once again, even though we firmly know that it wasn't, that connotation is pretty cool.

If a new series acts as the followup to WatXM, then we can easily put the events that happened in that series aside and firmly not have to deal with them again. It also has a great setup for bringing Cable into the fold.

I doubt they'll do that, but in my mind I think that would make for a strong direction.

[Rabbitearsblog]

Thats why I am REALLY cautious when suggesting we go into the whole saga of Scott and Jean's kids.

Cable could work, Nate could work, Rachel Anne Grey could work, but not all in the same series without using time travel and paradox universes all over the place ... at least not without completely rewriting the story.

The other thing that occurs to me --- why couldn't a new X-Men series actually be a follow up series to WatXM ? There's not exactly any rights issues that I'm aware of that would prevent it.

Like I mentioned earlier in the thread, there were a lot of queues that made it seem like it could be almost be POSSIBLE that Evolution was the prequel to WatXM. Once again, even though we firmly know that it wasn't, that connotation is pretty cool.

If a new series acts as the followup to WatXM, then we can easily put the events that happened in that series aside and firmly not have to deal with them again. It also has a great setup for bringing Cable into the fold.

I doubt they'll do that, but in my mind I think that would make for a strong direction.

I agree that there should be a new series starring the New X-Men since they barely had any kind of recognition in the comics, with the exception of X-23. It feels like X-Men Evolution should have been the one that introduced the new X-Men, although I don't think that the new X-Men were introduced at that time.

[suss2it]

That's a good point: We've seen Cyclops in charge, we've seen Wolverine in charge, but we haven't seen Storm in charge yet.

Storm WAS the leader of the X-Men for a very long time at many points. I'm pretty sure Wolverine's popularity has overshadowed that fact though and I'm not wholly sure how much we could expect Storm to actually have a role like that.I'd be down with Storm as leader. I was annoyed that she wasn't even considered for leadership in WatXM after she returned. Especially since Wolverine wasn't a great leader at the point and arguably he never was.


What I think we really need is a story that features another leader figure people can rally around. Of other candidates that have been leader at some point, we also have Cable, Forge, Bobby (Iceman) and Havok.Iceman's been a leader? Based off what I've seen from him he seems way to laid back.


There are a ton of other X-Men that haven't gotten a lot of screen play over the years and I think it IS time to see them get some time. I'm very sad Colossus has never been featured in a series, when, once again, he was a main stay member in the comics. Even a story dealing with him turning the dark side (joining Magento) would be fun. Pyslock certainly has bad almost zilch for screen time and the same goes for Dazzler.I'm still not sure what's so great about Colossus. Granted the only comics I read with him in it are Ultimate X-Men and Joss Whedon's Astonishing X-Men and he wasn't that notable in either.


Marvel Girl hasn't had ANY real use in the series except to be a story plot device of how Rogue got her super powers in the 90s series. Another fun plot would be to see Rogue start off being UNQUESTIONABLY the bad guy with Mystique and a few other agents (NO, GOD NO, not the Brotherhood again!) and have a plot based around Rogue taking her powers.I think you mean Ms. Marvel. Marvel Girl is Jean Grey. Ms. Marvel is gonna become a cast member in the second season of Avengers: EMH so I'm not clamoring for her to appear in a future X-Men cartoon. Especially since she's more of an Avengers character.


Regardless of what plots are actually played with, I think the Fantastic Four, Stark Industries (not necessarily Iron Man or Warmachine) and shield need to be more heavily involved in the series then ever before.Why the Fantastic Four? Do they and the X-Men ever really interact in the comics? Although, a crossover movie or something would be fun.


Damn, you're a lot younger then I gave you credit for. Take that as you will.lol, I guess I'll take it as a compliment.


I don't know much about the anime except the reactions of people when they first showed the test reels. It wasn't pretty.They only showed the test footage of the Iron Man and Wolverine animes. I don't like those two all that much, but the X-Men anime is pretty good. It handles Scott grief over losing Lean better than WatXM did, the story's pretty interesting, the casting for the most part is pretty good, and it looks great. My only complaints is Emma Frost isn't "witchy" enough, and so far one of the episodes was really boring, I think it was 5 or 6.


I do think Evolution and WaTXM are a little too close together. If you tilt your head and look at both series just the right way, it almost feels like WaTXM could take place a few years after Evolution. We obviously know thats not the case and there's more then a few "plot holes' from preventing that from being true. Both series just feel far too similar to me and that's not really a bad thing considering when each series came out.I somewhat agree. It's probably because the show shared a lot of creative staff.


I definitely think that all of the time-travel stuff has been done to death, and it - and any of the characters which depend upon it - should be banished for at least a decade.Out of the 3 X-Men cartoons in the 21st century, only one featured two timelines, and none have had any time travel, so I'd hardly consider that done to death.

[Medinnus]

Out of the 3 X-Men cartoons in the 21st century, only one featured two timelines, and none have had any time travel, so I'd hardly consider that done to death.


With respect, the whole premise of Wolverine and the X-Men is about time travel and timeline manipulation. The Days of Future Past stuff is timeline manipulation. Anything with Cable, Bishop, Rachel Summers, Apocalpse is a priori time-travel based. I stand by my point.

[suss2it]

With respect, the whole premise of Wolverine and the X-Men is about time travel and timeline manipulation. The Days of Future Past stuff is timeline manipulation. Anything with Cable, Bishop, Rachel Summers, Apocalpse is a priori time-travel based. I stand by my point.You're right about time manipulation going on, there was no time travel though. But I guess that's semantics. However one show featuring that stuff out of the latest 3, doesn't quality as done to death to me.

[Medinnus]

You're right about time manipulation going on, there was no time travel though. But I guess that's semantics. However one show featuring that stuff out of the latest 3, doesn't quality as done to death to me.

it could very well be that the time-travel/manipulation stuff has been done so much in the comics themselves that my acquired distaste for it is crossing over to my perception of the animation worlds.

Especially since between that and variants of "Dark Phoenix", Chris Claremont doesn't seem to be able to write much else...

[Lighthammer]

Honestly the 90s X-men series did so much time travel with such bad pacing it makes me gag every time I think about the topic.

The episodes created so many paradoxes that it made anything Star Trek ever did in terms of time travel look absolutely sane.

Between Cable and Bishop, they managed to really mess up the time continuum more so then the series had a chance to demonstrate it!

[TheMadSlasher]

Especially since between that and variants of "Dark Phoenix", Chris Claremont doesn't seem to be able to write much else...

I know you were probably being hyperbolic but I respectfully disagree.

I admit I hate time travel plots, and the Phoenix thing has been done to death (that said I think it can still be done well, in a less cosmic fashion too).

But Claremont wrote far more than Phoenix and Time Travel plots. His characterizations are phenomenal, and he writes great angst and relationships.

Sure, X-Men Forever has drawn plenty of fire, but Claremont during his original run defined many of the characterizations that I care for.

I don't think he's perfect or infallible, but Claremont developed some amazing characters.

[Medinnus]

I don't think he's perfect or infallible, but Claremont developed some amazing characters.

My problem with Claremont is that he has not moved on to original characters; endlessly re-hashing plots and agnst from 20 years or more ago. Name me one character not dirivitive from his X-Men work that is an amazing character?

[RoryWilliams]

If there is ever another X-Men cartoon I'd like to see greater focus on the more modern elements. For it's brief run I thought Wolverine and the X-Men did good with this in some respects (Emma being a member of the team instead of a villain, the cameos of the younger New X-Men era kids) but I'd like to see more. Also I loved Armor in the X-Men anime so I'd like to see her in the next cartoon as well.

[Nitemayer]

Northstar.

[TheMadSlasher]

My problem with Claremont is that he has not moved on to original characters; endlessly re-hashing plots and agnst from 20 years or more ago. Name me one character not dirivitive from his X-Men work that is an amazing character?

That's a reasonable criticism to make.

That said, I happen to like all that 20-years-old angst, and the characters he worked on in X-Men, so for me the fact he hasn't moved on is a plus.

Some of the character "developments" that have been made to various X-Men characters since Claremont left have been very disappointing for me (each to their own of course). Apart from Claremont, the only writers that have written Wolverine and Gambit in a way I like are 1) the people that adapted Claremont's material into XTAS, and 2) Marjorie Liu.

Anyway, this is fundamentally a matter of personal taste and I can see why you have the perspective you do. As for my own preferences, I'd rather have the good old stuff than the bad new stuff, and forgive my cynicism but good new stuff is relatively rare which is why I write my own stuff.

But each to their own.

[DeadpoolBub]

Nolan North as Deadpool since we were deprived of that in season 2 of Wolverine and The X-Men

This x100000. Though, Deadpool getting his own show on Adult Swim or HBO would be just as good. Preferably HBO since Adult Swim is garbage.

[JTMarsh]

I want Brian Bloom (voice of Captain America on Avengers: Earth's Mightiest Heroes) to voice Cyclops. Cyclops needs that fearless leader type voice, and Bloom does that well.

[The Dark Lord]

Scott McNeil (from X-Men: Evolution) is my favorite voice for Wolverine (no offense Steve Blum!), and having him come back for a new X-Men cartoon would be cool.

[Rabbitearsblog]

Scott McNeil (from X-Men: Evolution) is my favorite voice for Wolverine (no offense Steve Blum!), and having him come back for a new X-Men cartoon would be cool.

I loved Scott McNeil's voice for Wolverine! He was perfect for the role! I would definitely want to see the next X-Men cartoon have Scott McNeil voice Wolverine!

[Kumori MC]

Speaking of roles, let's discuss them, shall we?

KUMORI'S LIST OF PREFERRED VAs FOR AN X-MEN SERIES:

Prof X: Cedric Smith [I'm nostalgic, sue me :P], Jim Ward

Jean Grey: Jennifer Hale

Magneto: David Hemblen, Tom Kane

Beast: George Buza, Fred Tatasciore

Wolverine: any of the big three [Cathal J Dodd, Scott McNeil, Steven Blum]

Gambit: Tony Daniels

Angel: Liam O'Brien

Nightcrawler: same VA

Cyclops: Nolan North, Scott Porter

Iceman: Yuri Lowenthal

Shadowcat: Danielle Judovits

Storm: Susan Dalian, Iona Morris

Deadpool: Nolan North

Mystique: C (http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Colleen_Wheeler&action=edit&redlink=1)olleen Wheeler

Quicksilver: Mark Hildreth

Toad: Noel Fisher

Scarlet Witch: Kate Higgins

Nick Fury: Alex Desert

Bishop: Kevin Michael Richardson

Cable: Ron Perlman

Legion: Mark Hamill

Mister Sinister: Clancy Brown

Emma Frost: Kari Wahlgren

Colossus: James Horan

Juggernaut: Paul Dobson, Fred Tatasciore

Fantomex: Rino Romano

Warpath: George Newbern

Berserker: Scott Menville

X-23: Andrea Libman, Tara Strong, Hynden Walch

Psylocke: Grey DeLisle

Domino: Gwendoline Yeo.

[More to come soon]

[JTMarsh]

Speaking of roles, let's discuss them, shall we?

KUMORI'S LIST OF PREFERRED VAs FOR AN X-MEN SERIES:

Prof X: Cedric Smith [I'm nostalgic, sue me :P], Jim Ward

Jean Grey: Jennifer Hale

Magneto: David Hemblen, Tom Kane

Beast: George Buza, Fred Tatasciore

Wolverine: any of the big three [Cathal J Dodd, Scott McNeil, Steven Blum]

Gambit: Tony Daniels

Angel: Liam O'Brien

Nightcrawler: same VA

Cyclops: Nolan North, Scott Porter

Iceman: Yuri Lowenthal

Shadowcat: Danielle Judovits

Storm: Susan Dalian, Iona Morris

Deadpool: Nolan North

Mystique: C (http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Colleen_Wheeler&action=edit&redlink=1)olleen Wheeler

Quicksilver: Mark Hildreth

Toad: Noel Fisher

Scarlet Witch: Kate Higgins

Nick Fury: Alex Desert

Bishop: Kevin Michael Richardson

Cable: Ron Perlman

Legion: Mark Hamill

Mister Sinister: Clancy Brown

Emma Frost: Kari Wahlgren

Colossus: James Horan

Juggernaut: Paul Dobson, Fred Tatasciore

Fantomex: Rino Romano

Warpath: George Newbern

Berserker: Scott Menville

X-23: Andrea Libman, Tara Strong, Hynden Walch

Psylocke: Grey DeLisle

Domino: Gwendoline Yeo.

[More to come soon]
I support all but Nolan North returning as Cyclops. North was barrels of fun as Deadpool in "Hulk Vs." so yes to that, but his voice just doesn't fit Cyclops very well (I don't think he really fits the type of character Cyclops is anyway), so I still say you need more of a Brian Bloom type for Cycke.

[Kumori MC]

I support all but Nolan North returning as Cyclops. North was barrels of fun as Deadpool in "Hulk Vs." so yes to that, but his voice just doesn't fit Cyclops very well (I don't think he really fits the type of character Cyclops is anyway), so I still say you need more of a Brian Bloom type for Cycke.

Frankly, I enjoyed North's suffering Cyclops, which in term made me enjoy the angry, angry Conner Kent of YJ even more. A leader-like voice he had not, but a voice crying for retribution and closure, now that ol' Nolan can do; the WatX rendition of Cyclops received just that, ergo he remains my No. 1 choice.

Brian Bloom is more suited for Cap, anyway. [No way would I trade him for any other Cap]

[JTMarsh]

Frankly, I enjoyed North's suffering Cyclops, which in term made me enjoy the angry, angry Conner Kent of YJ even more. A leader-like voice he had not, but a voice crying for retribution and closure, now that ol' Nolan can do; the WatX rendition of Cyclops received just that, ergo he remains my No. 1 choice.

Brian Bloom is more suited for Cap, anyway. [No way would I trade him for any other Cap]
Seeing as how the next X-Men cartoon should have Cyclops back in the leader role where he belongs we need someone who can do a good fearless leader voice, and you're not gonna get that from Nolan North. He's great for snarky characters like Deadpool, Raphael in the CGI TMNT and the jerky Hank Pym from Ultimate Avengers, but an old fashioned leader voice is not really his strong suit.

[The Dark Lord]

Nolan's a pretty versatile VA, he could probably pull it off. :)

[Kumori MC]

Nolan's a pretty versatile VA, he could probably pull it off. :)

What he said.

[Medinnus]

Nolan's a pretty versatile VA, he could probably pull it off. :)

Perhaps - but he hasn't shown us he can, so the capability is speculative :D

[Barbossa]

Nolan North has shown he is one of the best voice actors out there,did you know he voiced Bulder in EMH and Penguin in the the new Batman game,also makes a very good Cyclops, Ralph,Superboy and Superman.I could go on

[JTMarsh]

Nolan North has shown he is one of the best voice actors out there,did you know he voiced Bulder in EMH and Penguin in the the new Batman game,also makes a very good Cyclops, Ralph,Superboy and Superman.I could go on
I'm not saying Nolan North is a BAD voice actor - and yes I am aware that he was Balder among others on Avengers: EMH and the Penguin in the most recent Batman game - but there's something about his vocals that don't fit Cyclops. To be honest, I don't find his Superman or Superboy voices to be all that impressive either, but that's a different argument for a different thread about a different series that belongs in a different forum.