"The Avengers: Earth's Mightiest Heroes" News & Discussion Thread, Part 5 (Spoilers)

[James Harvey]

Avengers Assemble! Airing regularly on Disney XD and Teletoon, The Avengers: Earth's Mightiest Heroes brings the classic superhero team to animated life!


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Check out Marvel Animation Age (http://marvel.toonzone.net) and the latest posts in this very thread for all the new The Avengers: Earth's Mightiest Heroes developments!

Stay tuned for further updates!

Previous Discussions:
-The Avengers: Earth's Mightiest Heroes News & Discussion Thread, Part 1 (Spoilers) (http://www.toonzone.net/forums/showthread.php?t=217991)
-The Avengers: Earth's Mightiest Heroes News & Discussion Thread, Part 2 (Spoilers) (http://www.toonzone.net/forums/showthread.php?t=272223)
-The Avengers: Earth's Mightiest Heroes News & Discussion Thread, Part 3 (Spoilers) (http://www.toonzone.net/forums/showthread.php?t=277474)
-The Avengers: Earth's Mightiest Heroes News & Discussion Thread, Part 4 (Spoilers) (http://www.toonzone.net/forums/showthread.php?t=281626)

Mod Note: Remember to use spoiler space when applicable when discussing future episodes. And please keep discussions on-topic. Thank you.

[ShadowStar]

Marvel has this new page on the Masters of Evil on their website:

http://marvel.com/news/story/16152/m...asters_of_evil (http://marvel.com/news/story/16152/meet_the_masters_of_evil)

Those bios go into more detail about the Masters of Evil than the show itself does.

[Sockie]

Those bios go into more detail about the Masters of Evil than the show itself does.

Probably because it seems like they just got a lot of that info from the comics. >.>

[sabrewolf]

So Whirlwind is a member of the Masters of Evil now? Or will he join in season 2? And where was the Chemistro bio?

I've just noticed, there are a lot of Iron Man villains in the Masters of Evil. We've got Crimson Dynamo, Wonder Man (Technically, since he hates Stark), and Living Laser. Thor has, or had depending on if their still members, Enchantress and Executioner, Cap has Zemo, Hulk has Abomination, if we count Whirlwind I'd say we have someone for Wasp, and Chemistro is all around I guess. Kinda interesting when you look at it.

[Toons4ever]

Good news everybody, Avengers is available on Netflix now:
http://movies.netflix.com/WiMovie/The_Avengers_Earth_s_Mightiest_Heroes_Season_1_The_Man_Who_Stole_Tomorrow/70176562?trkid=496624

[suss2it]

Good news everybody, Avengers is available on Netflix now:
http://movies.netflix.com/WiMovie/The_Avengers_Earth_s_Mightiest_Heroes_Season_1_The_Man_Who_Stole_Tomorrow/70176562?trkid=496624

And of course it's not available in Canada.

[Burgundy Ranger]

Not sure if this is being done simply because the season is finished or if it's because there's not going to be any more and XD isn't wasting any time shipping the show to a graveyard slot. But they're making the following changes on the weekends for EMH effective July 9:

Lose:
Saturdays @ 5:00 & 5:30 p.m.
Saturdays @ 9:30 p.m.
Sundays @ 10:30, 11 & 11:30 p.m.
(It's already lost the Sunday morning slot)

Add:
Saturday & Sunday @ 2:00 a.m.

[Medinnus]

Not sure if this is being done simply because the season is finished or if it's because there's not going to be any more.

Well, to be honest, I think this is a smart move. Consider.


The episodes for Season One are all available on-demand from Netflix.
The episodes for Season One are all available on-demand from iTunes
Half of Season One is available on-demand from Marvel.com
Half of Season One is available on DVD release.
All of Season One are available in unauthorized format in various venues.


Until Season Two (which I predict, for various reasons, will be released around mid-October) is released, there are few people who would be tuning into what is already a restricted channel for episodes that are massively available elsewhere.

[beyond94]

I read in some sites and mentioned on you tube that She -Hulk will make an appearance in season 2 and that Colleen O'Shaungessy is also doing her voice. She -Hulk has always being my favorite female character in Marvel animation depending on who does her voice. My favorite so far was Lisa Zane in the 90's Hulk series.Cree Summer's voice for She-Hulk was not a good fit. Her voice was too urban sounding. I hope that Ms. O'Shaungessy will give a good performance for She-Hulk's voice that we couldn't tell that's her doing both characters. I hope that She-Hulk will make her appearance in season 2.

Mod Note: There's no need for a separate thread.

[macattack]

. . . I come back from my crappy inventory day shift and THIS is what I see first?

What is with the obsession over She-Hulk anyway? I like her but I don't think she's an absolute necessity.

Also, I don't know about you, but I'm calling bull on this so-called "report" just because of O'Slaughnessey. They already have a She-Hulk voice: Maria Canals-Barrera. Why would they not use her for season 2?

Give us something real or stop wasting board space.

[beyond94]

I don't know who you are either. But is no need to be rude. These boards are made so that fans, like us who happen to like the character can express their opinion. That's the impression that I got from some of the sites that Collen was doing two characters in season 2, The She -Hulk was one of them. The fact of the matter is It's okay to say that you don't like the idea, but to make that kind of a comment about wasting people's time shows a lot of disrespect on your part!!

[macattack]

I don't know who you are either. But is no need to be rude. These boards are made so that fans, like us who happen to like the character can express their opinion. That's the impression that I got from some of the sites that Collen was doing two characters in season 2, The She -Hulk was one of them. The fact of the matter is It's okay to say that you don't like the idea, but to make that kind of a comment about wasting people's time shows a lot of disrespect on your part!!

Colleen O'Slaughnessey probably could play She-Hulk. She has some serious range though she doesn't usually get to show it off. She portrays 3 or 4 Bleach characters and she has to come up with different voices for all of them. So she probably could. That's not my issue here.

My issue is that you're not citing where you're getting your impressions from. On this forum, you need to back up what you say or nobody's going to believe you. Including me.

[Rick Jones]

Mod Note: Please keep the discussion civil. Thanks.

[Medinnus]

Mac - with respect, all he said was that he'd heard it was so, he didn't say it was confirmed; just another rumor (you should see some of the ones people send me to report as news, but can't actually site a reputable source. I have my "Thank you so much, but without some sort of official confirmation I made the decision to not publish unsubstantiated rumors. That way, you can trust my site, hopefully!"

The rest of it was more rumor, speculation, and fan adoration - which makes him no different from much of what goes on in various threads here. :D

[macattack]

Mac - with respect, all he said was that he'd heard it was so, he didn't say it was confirmed; just another rumor (you should see some of the ones people send me to report as news, but can't actually site a reputable source. I have my "Thank you so much, but without some sort of official confirmation I made the decision to not publish unsubstantiated rumors. That way, you can trust my site, hopefully!"

The rest of it was more rumor, speculation, and fan adoration - which makes him no different from much of what goes on in various threads here. :D

I just wanted to know if he had something backing the rumor or whether he was making it up.

I could have gone after it more diplomatically, I agree. But I don't like it when baseless rumors get tossed around.

[Capt. Speedbump]

I just wanted to know if he had something backing the rumor or whether he was making it up.

I could have gone after it more diplomatically, I agree. But I don't like it when baseless rumors get tossed around.

According to a Q/A by Chris Yost:

http://manvs.tumblr.com/post/6206818188/mr-yost-is-it-possible-that-heroes-such-as-hercules

Of She-Hulk, Hercules, Spider-Man, Fantastic Four and X-Men, "several" will appear in Season 2. I'm guessing "several" means "many, probably more are than aren't, but not all".

Fantastic Four is given.

X-Men, maybe, since MRD name-dropped, and Howlett's appearance from WWII.

Spider-Man I think might be a long shot, but you never know...

Herc and She-Hulk I think could each be likely, but we'll have to see.

No word on potential casting/voices.

[Medinnus]

For that matter, the FF alone could qualify as the "several"... :D

[Moriarty]

i don't know if you guys have seen this, but there are some season 2 storyboards out there. http://matches1938.blogspot.com/search/label/Avengers

[ktk]

if we count Whirlwind I'd say we have someone for Wasp, and Chemistro is all around I guess. Kinda interesting when you look at it.
Whirlwind frequently matches up against Ant/Giant-Man and Wasp, not just Janet.

Chemistro is primarily a Luke Cage villain. Considering that we've heard many rumblings over the past 3-5 years that Marvel wants to do a Luke Cage movie, I wonder if Power Man is a character that could show up in future episodes.

[Moriarty]

i hope She Hulk and Hercules show up. i think John DiMaggio would make a great Hercules. he could pretty much do the same voice he already uses for Aquaman on Batman Brave and the Bold. that would be awesome.

[Venom Melendez]

i hope She Hulk and Hercules show up. i think John DiMaggio would make a great Hercules. he could pretty much do the same voice he already uses for Aquaman on Batman Brave and the Bold. that would be awesome.

Nah, i'd rather they used Kevin Sorbo again for Herc. Though DiMaggio would be good too

I don't think She-Hulk will show up, not this season anyway. Banner hasn't even mentioned having a cousin yet and he'd have to give her his blood first.

[macattack]

Nah, i'd rather they used Kevin Sorbo again for Herc. Though DiMaggio would be good too

I don't think She-Hulk will show up, not this season anyway. Banner hasn't even mentioned having a cousin yet and he'd have to give her his blood first.

DiMaggio would probably fit Herc as well as anybody, I think. DiMaggio's range I think is overrated but his Aquaman is awesome and would be a good fit for Herc.

I wonder what happened to that Hulk blood sample-thing anyway. Feels like a dropped plotline. I remember a lot of people were thinking it was eventually going to lead into Jennifer but that never happened.

[suss2it]

DiMaggio would probably fit Herc as well as anybody, I think. DiMaggio's range I think is overrated but his Aquaman is awesome and would be a good fit for Herc. Is DiMaggio known for having range? I do think that his Aquaman, Joker, Bobo and Bender all sound different from each other, but not different enough where it sounds like separate people are voicing them. Steve Blum's Green Goblin and Wolverine, however sound completely different. That guy has real range.


I wonder what happened to that Hulk blood sample-thing anyway. Feels like a dropped plotline. I remember a lot of people were thinking it was eventually going to lead into Jennifer but that never happened.Just because it hasn't happened yet doesn't mean it won't.

[W.C.Reaf]

I wonder what happened to that Hulk blood sample-thing anyway. Feels like a dropped plotline. I remember a lot of people were thinking it was eventually going to lead into Jennifer but that never happened.

The entire "The Cube isn't trying to help people but trying to replicate the Gamma monsters" story point from the micro-episodes hasn't been brought up since the first Breakout Episode. I found that really interesting and created some ambiguity and grey areas for SHIELD to operate in, which hasn't really happened.

[Medinnus]

Just because it hasn't happened yet doesn't mean it won't.

Hail Hydra! Arrest a head, and two will grow back... or something like that.

[Moriarty]

I don't think She-Hulk will show up, not this season anyway. Banner hasn't even mentioned having a cousin yet and he'd have to give her his blood first.

well, Banner was barley even in season one so....

[Capt. Speedbump]

I don't think She-Hulk will show up, not this season anyway. Banner hasn't even mentioned having a cousin yet and he'd have to give her his blood first.

Who's to say that in order tho have She-Hulk, you have to do her origin? Black Knight for one is flying around already. We never got an origin for Ant-Man or Wasp really.

Maybe they could have She-Hulk show up, Hulk could explain about the transfusion in the past, and you could go from there.

[Venom Melendez]

Who's to say that in order tho have She-Hulk, you have to do her origin? .

Same reason as Ms.Marvel(Whom we did see her Origin in "459").

Besides, the vial of Hulk blood will probably be used for this purpose or for something else.

Also, the guys at the cube think all Gamma radiated beings should be locked up. Samson thought so too, until Banner proved to him that Hulk could be a force for good. People like She-Hulk probably aren't around.

For that matter, Samson wasn't gamma powered at the start, so why would She-Hulk? I mean Banner was worried Samson would die, so i don't think he has done the blood transfusion yet.

Is DiMaggio known for having range? I do think that his Aquaman, Joker, Bobo and Bender all sound different from each other, but not different enough where it sounds like separate people are voicing them. Steve Blum's Green Goblin and Wolverine, however sound completely different. That guy has real range.

Word. Though his GG voice reminds me of his Orochimaru voice.

He also did a good job voicing Taskmaster in MvC 3.

[macattack]

One of the things that disappointed me in season 1 was the lack of Banner. Neglecting Banner is neglecting an important part of Hulk's character, without Banner Hulk is just kind of an average brute with super-above-average strength. I think the Hulk had a few good lines in EMH but so far he's flat as a piece of paper character-wise compared to everyone else.

Previews for season 2 seem to imply that Banner might show up more often, since Tony bothered to give Hulk some specific stretchy pants. Why would Stark do that unless Banner has more of a role this time around

And no, I don't think DiMaggio has a lot of range. It's glaring on GR when he does background roles and extras, you can tell it's the same person who does Bobo. It doesn't matter whether DiMaggio puts on an accent, or tries a smoother tone of voice, or whatever. You know it's him. And I don't fault DiMaggio for that, his voice is distinctive. I give him a ton of credit for doing all kinds of tones and accents with his voice.It's not his fault is so unique that you can pick it out.


Also, the guys at the cube think all Gamma radiated beings should be locked up. Samson thought so too, until Banner proved to him that Hulk could be a force for good. People like She-Hulk probably aren't around.

For that matter, Samson wasn't gamma powered at the start, so why would She-Hulk? I mean Banner was worried Samson would die, so i don't think he has done the blood transfusion yet.

Yeah, I agree with this. I think the concept of gamma radiation turning people into non-monsters and crazies hasn't really happened in EMH's world. Samson and She-Hulk are the first to really defy the "gamma=monster" thing, and Samson came before She-Hulk.

. . .Speaking of whom, isn't Samson supposed to show again in season 2? Hmm . . . hope he does something cool. He kinda got shafted in the two-parter "Gamma World", he mostly got his butt handed to him.

[Medinnus]

Who's to say that in order tho have She-Hulk, you have to do her origin? Black Knight for one is flying around already. We never got an origin for Ant-Man or Wasp really.

Well, either you show her origin in real time or in flashback... but in any case, its easy enough to have the Hulkbusters attack, as SHIELD has declared the Avengers unauthorized vigilantes as of last season.

Jen Walters could be injured, and Banner could give her a transfusion, then leave so as anyone within a one-mile radius of the Hulk could be injured in the next Hulkbuster attack. That gives the Hulk a heroic reason to leave the team, AND Jen her origin story. Done in one, as they say.

[Mad Hatter]

For the record, I'll bet the X-Men's appearance is linked to Wasp. I'm telling you, she's a mutant. The MRD is probably going to go after her, or something like that.

As for She-Hulk, I guess she could show up, but with all the other characters (and the X-Men), they may not have enough time for her to show up.

[suss2it]

For the record, I'll bet the X-Men's appearance is linked to Wasp. I'm telling you, she's a mutant. The MRD is probably going to go after her, or something like that.I wouldn't be surprised. These guys have taken things from the Ultimate universe before, such as Hawkeye and Black Widow being agents of SHIELD, Captain Marvel and Captain America's design in S2.

[Medinnus]

I wouldn't be surprised. These guys have taken things from the Ultimate universe before, such as Hawkeye and Black Widow being agents of SHIELD, Captain Marvel and Captain America's design in S2.

Honestly, I hope they take that, but leave the whole "Hank Pym developed all his work from Janet's mutant condition" bit - so far, they've been a lot kinder to Hank than the Ultimates universe or Jim Shooter ever were. The Ultimates Hank Pym was a real jerk.

[Venom Melendez]

I wonder what happened to that Hulk blood sample-thing anyway. Feels like a dropped plotline. I remember a lot of people were thinking it was eventually going to lead into Jennifer but that never happened.

Yost mentioned on his twitter that we'd see the vial of Hulk blood again in season two. So it isn't a dropped plot line.

That said, i wouldn't instantly assume that it's going to be used on Jen....


One of the things that disappointed me in season 1 was the lack of Banner.

Yeah, i mean i love what they've done with the Hulk in the Show, but i also wish we could get more of Banner. I did like his appearance in Gamma World, even if it was brief.




Yeah, I agree with this. I think the concept of gamma radiation turning people into non-monsters and crazies hasn't really happened in EMH's world. Samson and She-Hulk are the first to really defy the "gamma=monster" thing, and Samson came before She-Hulk.

. .

Yeah, that's what i was thinking.

[dmxx116]

Marvel will offer an sneak peek at The Avengers: Earth’s Mightiest Heroes season 2 as well at the first look at UltImate Spider-Man on Saturday July 23 at the San Diego Comic Con:

http://comics.cosmicbooknews.com/content/marvel-sdcc-2011-schedule

[macattack]

Marvel will offer an sneak peek at The Avengers: Earth’s Mightiest Heroes season 2 as well at the first look at UltImate Spider-Man on Saturday July 23 at the San Diego Comic Con:

http://comics.cosmicbooknews.com/content/marvel-sdcc-2011-schedule

This is good news, I hope more new info becomes available. I am curious to hear what the "surprises" are too.

[The Octopus]

Just to let y'all know, I am going to SDCC on Saturday, so I will more than likely be attending the Marvel Television Panel and I will post my impressions and info as soon as I can.

[RoryWilliams]

Anyone see this? Sorry if old news,but apparently one of the storyboard artists leaked some art showing too more guest-stars, both of whom with ties to the team.
Luke Cage and Iron Fist

http://ironfistfan.blogspot.com/2011/07/avengers-heroes-for-hire-storyboard-art.html

[Medinnus]

I've seen them. They were taken down almost immediately - I think someone got in a lot of trouble for leaking.

[Avengers]

Anyone see this? Sorry if old news,but apparently one of the storyboard artists leaked some art showing too more guest-stars, both of whom with ties to the team.
Luke Cage and Iron Fist

http://ironfistfan.blogspot.com/2011/07/avengers-heroes-for-hire-storyboard-art.html

So thats like four of the cameos we know of, did he say how many cameos there would be, I am still hoping for a spider-man cameo, I would love to see the Avengers fight some of his badies

[Taskmaster]

Well, to be honest, I think this is a smart move. Consider.

The episodes for Season One are all available on-demand from Netflix.
The episodes for Season One are all available on-demand from iTunes
Half of Season One is available on-demand from Marvel.com
Half of Season One is available on DVD release.
All of Season One are available in unauthorized format in various venues.
Until Season Two (which I predict, for various reasons, will be released around mid-October) is released, there are few people who would be tuning into what is already a restricted channel for episodes that are massively available elsewhere.

Don't misconstrue, I think you're a really good poster but I don't get you sometimes my man??? Why would want this show you're supposedly gaga over to air LESS nationally let alone 2am?

First off "Ultron-5" only aired ONCE (and that one was bastardized by gaudy XD ads and a bad digital signal) in the states at an awkward Sunday morning time that I'm sure many many people missed, and I for one want a better recording. As well as all the eps after it that have been sparse in repeats. In my book the show can't get enough exposure when you consider all that live action slop (ZEKE AND LUTHOR, SUITE LIFE, PAIR OF KINGS etc etc) they air ad nauseam all day which I can't imagine kids even considering watching. The fact you're HAPPY your favorite show is airing at 2am on weekend graveyard nights just does not compute on any level???

I also was mystified as a Cap enthusiast you weren't at least off-put in the slightest by the continuous butchering of his action scenes (and lack there of) as well as misrepresenting his one-man-army fighting skills and agility. It's all just a bit too pollyanna for me. The fact these modern Marvel shows are lucky to eek past 26 eps is plenty of time to get Cap's kinetic fighting style down. Slow progression or patience doesn't work when these shows get canceled so easily and inexplicably.

Is there ANYthing by the establishment you DON'T like or disagree with?

[Medinnus]

Don't misconstrue, I think you're a really good poster but I don't get you sometimes my man??? Why would want this show you're supposedly gaga over to air LESS nationally let alone 2am?

Supposedly?

I see - because I understand the rationale behind the programming move, and don't condemn it by raising my little fanboi fist in a spasm of nerdrage, somehow I'm a "fake fan" now? Please... /eyeroll

To the issue at hand, the Disney XD channel has, relatively speaking, a small audience. Disney XD does not give a rats' ass about the AEMH cartoon - they care about ratings relative to their other properties. No new episodes limits the amount of space they're willing to commit to re-runs until Season Two. If they make more money by running "The Adventures of Squirrel Girl!" then that's what they'll do; they're a business, they make business decisions that benefit their business unit. They are still broadcasting reruns; they're just not devoting slots in which they can better exploit other properties. Why is that so difficult for people to understand. Its business, run to make a profit after factoring in various non-tangible opportunity costs.

From a brand management POV, running AEMH in reruns a lot just makes people sick of seeing it; focusing between seasons on spreading the branding and building an audience outside of the subscriber-base of Disney XD rather than burning out the existing audience is IMO a smart move. Its called "marketing diversification" and "monetizing the brand". The more diverse the AEMH brand, and the more revenue it brings in, the better the odds of getting a Season Three.

Want a better copy? Cry me a river - buy the DVD. Buy the iTunes subscription. Buy a Netflix on-demand subscription. The workman is worthy of his hire.



I also was mystified as a Cap enthusiast you weren't at least off-out in the slightest by the continuous butchering of his action scenes (and lack there of) as well as misrepresenting his one-man-army fighting skills and agility.

You need to go back and read the comics; Tales of Suspense, early Captain America issues, and most importantly, the first ten years of the Avengers.

Iron Man fans kvetch because Stark doesn't save the day in every episode, Thor fans kvetch that he didn't lay out the mortal members of the Masters of Evil with one swipe of his hammer, Hulk fans wonder why... nah, they're probably the most grateful of the fans to have Hulk in a series that doesn't blow.

Understand balance. Understand drama. Understand characterization, and character growth. Understand that this show isn't "Iron Man and his Amazing Friends" or "Captain America and those other guys" or something; its an ensemble cast. For all the kvetching many of you guys do, you'd think you didn't like the show at all.



Is there ANYthing by the establishment you DON'T like or disagree with?


I dunno - maybe after so much substandard pablum like Iron Man: Teen Tony or X-Men: The High School Emo Idiocy, I'm just happy to find a series that is pretty true to its antecedents, where the "establishment" didn't feel the need to change things up to show how "improved" they are? To finally have an Avengers cartoon that doesn't suck harder than a turbo-charged Hoover ("Avengers: United They Stand", I'm looking at YOU!)? Because I look for the reason WHY "the establishment" -- what a loaded term all by itself, indicating something that needs to be "disapproved of" not on its merits, but because its "The Man" -- made the decision they did? The people who made the decisions made them for reasons, contra most of the paranoid conspiracy theories that pass for intelligent commentary in some places. "They just hate $fan's_favorite, and only include them so they can ruin them!" Maybe its because, having been in charge of business units at real companies, where peoples' jobs depend on those business units' success, I understand the balances and the trade offs they make, and respect their choices (if not actually agreeing with them).

I save my criticism for things that are worth complaining about, not to just hear myself talk.

[ShadowStar]

The final 8 episodes of season 1 start airing in the UK next week.

18th July: Widow's Sting
19th July: The Casket of Ancient Winters
20th July: Hail, Hydra!
21st July: Ultron-5
22nd July: The Ultron Imperative
23rd July: This Hostage Earth
24th July: The Fall of Asgard
25th July: A Day Unlike Any Other

The Radio Times website has the information for those dates simply listed as 'high definition' (the website usually gives the episode titles), with "Gamma World part 1" airing on 17th July and "Gamma World part 2" airing on 26th July.

The UK website for Disney XD has "The Avengers episode 19" listed for 18th July and "The Avengers episode 20" listed for 19th July, so it looks like my assumptions about the episodes that will be aired are correct. If any updates to the Disney XD schedule contradict what I've posted here, I'll update this post.

I'm going on holiday before I get to see all of these new episodes, but still, I'm thrilled that we're getting a barrage of new episodes like this.

[Avengers]

I also was mystified as a Cap enthusiast you weren't at least off-put in the slightest by the continuous butchering of his action scenes (and lack there of) as well as misrepresenting his one-man-army fighting skills and agility. It's all just a bit too pollyanna for me. The fact these modern Marvel shows are lucky to eek past 26 eps is plenty of time to get Cap's kinetic fighting style down. Slow progression or patience doesn't work when these shows get canceled so easily and inexplicably.


I have to respectfully disagree, in the last episode cap single handedly got the avengers to beat something the asgardians were terrified of and the only human without powers confronting the strongest being in the universe, saving his team multiple times. Plus he probably had the best character scenes in a long time, they were absolutely compelling and showed how absolutely heroic Cap is, plus he had a whole episode where he defeated his enemy from WW2 so I do not see how he was side lined, except in one episode where the previous one side lined thor so its not like Cap is gone the most, everyone gets their episodes

In terms of modern marvel movies, spectacular spiderman is probably the best cartoon in ten years so I do not see how you can say they should not pass 26

[W.C.Reaf]

Slow progression or patience doesn't work when these shows get canceled so easily and inexplicably.

However since we've know this show was going to have at least 52 episodes from the beginning slow progression and patience does work. They can take their time developing characters naturally and not trying to force everything into 26 episodes.

[dr_marvel2040]

When i know that ironfist and luke cage will be in the 2nd season,,,i realy have faith that there will be alot of marvel heroes will pop on,,,,,,like spider woman,namor, scarlet witch,punisher,x-men........................and i hope for captin america to have MORE SPACE in the second season,,,,and hawkeye to have little time instead of being the one who save the avengers each time,,either him or iron man,,,iron man and hawkeye are cool ch.ch. but hope to see the other avengers to have equal time like those two,,,,,,,,,,,thanks.

[Capt. Speedbump]

Just a heads up everyone...

Disney XD appears to be showing five A:EMH episodes this Sunday the 17th, from 8 to 10:30 in the morning. They appear to be Cap related episodes (Meet Captain America, Living Legend, the 3 Kang episodes, in that order).

Sunday morning, get your Cap-on!...

(ahem)

Sorry, I won't do that again.

[Medinnus]

Disney XD appears to be showing five A:EMH episodes this Sunday the 17th, from 8 to 10:30 in the morning. They appear to be Cap related episodes (Meet Captain America, Living Legend, the 3 Kang episodes, in that order).


At the risk of showing myself to once more being a "tool of the establishment", whatever that's supposed to mean...

With the Captain America movie opening in a week, good choice and excellent timing, I'd say. :D


Edit -- In other news, Superhero Tooniverse has an exclusive interview with Jeph Loeb (http://www.comicbookmovie.com/fansites/SuperHeroTooniverse/news/?a=41731) with some Avengers discussion.</p>

[macattack]

Ugh, looks like Loeb is already meddling. If it were anyone else I'd be looking forward to the last 12 episodes as much as anybody . . . but just try to read through "Ultimatum" or "Ultimates 3" or "Red Hulk" and try to feel enthused about Loeb sticking his fingers into EMH or seemingly having so much influence on USM.

[Medinnus]

Ugh, looks like Loeb is already meddling. If it were anyone else I'd be looking forward to the last 12 episodes as much as anybody . . . but just try to read through "Ultimatum" or "Ultimates 3" or "Red Hulk" and try to feel enthused about Loeb sticking his fingers into EMH or seemingly having so much influence on USM.

I find Jeph Loeb's comics work almost unreadable, but I'm withholding judgement on whether or not he'll be bad for AEMH; I say this for three reasons:

1 - Much of Season Two was already finished Or mostly so) when he came onboard.

2 - Even if he's the top of the creative food chain, it is difficult for one man to ramrod changes through against the tide, so to speak. Not impossible, but difficult; moreso than the comics, to be sure.

3 - I find BENDIS!' work on the Avengers to be some of the worst comics I've ever shelf-read in my life, but I find his Ultimate Spider-Man (at least, as long as I'd read it) quite entertaining, if one reads the trade collections (so not worth the money as individual issues because of the horrible pacing, but I digress). I also liked what I've read of Powers, his own work -- and so I am leary of prejudging the work that BENDIS might do on the Ultimate Spider-Man cartoon. The same might very well apply to Loeb, whose tenure on HEROES and SMALLVILLE was successful, was it not (I honestly don't know, I don't watch much TV, actually)?

If Loeb proves a disaster, time enough to yell my dissatisfaction from the rafters soon enough, I think. :D

[Venom Melendez]

Ugh, looks like Loeb is already meddling. If it were anyone else I'd be looking forward to the last 12 episodes as much as anybody . . . but just try to read through "Ultimatum" or "Ultimates 3" or "Red Hulk" and try to feel enthused about Loeb sticking his fingers into EMH or seemingly having so much influence on USM.

He's not "meddling", he's doing his current job. Also, try reading his stuff before the books you mentioned(Though i didn't think his Red Hulk was that bad. Though Greg Pak and Jeff Parker have done excellent work with Red Hulk after Loeb left). Loeb is also good when it comes to Televison stuff.


I

. I also liked what I've read of Powers, his own work --



Powers is awesome. Alias was great too and i'm loving Scarlet.

[Rick Jones]

Just a heads up everyone...

Disney XD appears to be showing five A:EMH episodes this Sunday the 17th, from 8 to 10:30 in the morning. They appear to be Cap related episodes (Meet Captain America, Living Legend, the 3 Kang episodes, in that order).

Sunday morning, get your Cap-on!...

(ahem)

Sorry, I won't do that again.It's nothing big but I got a kick out of seeing them use a little Cassaday art for that promo.

[W.C.Reaf]

Loeb needs to stop doing interviews and general marketing as every time he does I worry more and more about the future of Marvel animation.

I don't think he had much influence over Avengers since those last 12 episodes would've been in production, maybe even being animated overseas, when Loeb came on board. There's not much he can actually do to alter the final product.

Then he says stuff like this:


And while we're huge fans of those shows and of Bruce, we also feel like there's a disconnect between Warner's animation and DC Comics; that you don't look at them, at those shows, and think, "Oh, those look like DC comics."

Strange that DC's animation looks like cartoons and not the comics. :rolleyes2:

He keeps saying stuff like that and it makes me think he doesn't understand animation. There's a reason DC beat Marvel in the animation department in the 90s, and that's because they understood that you should make the art animateble rather than making it look like the comics. As they’re making animation and not comics.

He goes on to say that he wants Marvel cartoons to look like the comics, to which I respond "which comics?" Marvel has no set artstyle so there's tons of artists doing their own styles so there's no one artstyle that "looks like Marvel." The only thing to do is to make a cartoon that looks like those characters while still being able to animate them, which DC has been doing since the 90s and Marvel doing since 2000s.

I guess we'll see what happens with Ultimate Spider-Man to know what Loeb's going to do. The images released don't any closer to the comics than the other cartoons do, so I think there's a difference between what Loeb is saying and what they're actually doing.

[Wonderwall]

Also, try reading his stuff before the books you mentioned(Though i didn't think his Red Hulk was that bad. Though Greg Pak and Jeff Parker have done excellent work with Red Hulk after Loeb left). Loeb is also good when it comes to Televison stuff.

I'd be more specific and say only read his stuff with Tim Sale, as he can carry Loeb better than anyone. Even Loeb's "good" stories suffer from the same nonsense his modern comics do.


The same might very well apply to Loeb, whose tenure on HEROES and SMALLVILLE was successful, was it not (I honestly don't know, I don't watch much TV, actually)?

He was only on Smallville for about a season and a half or two seasons tops i think so he wasn't there for a lot of it's run. As for Heroes I believe he came on after the first season, not 100% on that( The only successful season critically and in the ratings ) and he was fired from that job after the show quickly nosedived in every capacity...definitely not a success there:sweat:

Edit: Although he wasn't totally to blame in the Heroes debacle( The creator wasn't much of a writer either ) he was one of the people that were replaced part way into season 3.

I'd say he's so so in TV. He's had slight success being attached to the beginning of Smallville and I believe Lost but that Heroes gig is a pretty blackmark as I think he had a bigger hand there than the other shows.

He keeps saying stuff like that and it makes me think he doesn't understand animation. There's a reason DC beat Marvel in the animation department in the 90s, and that's because they understood that you should make the art animateble rather than making it look like the comics. As they’re making animation and not comics.

He goes on to say that he wants Marvel cartoons to look like the comics, to which I respond "which comics?" Marvel has no set artstyle so there's tons of artists doing their own styles so there's no one artstyle that "looks like Marvel." The only thing to do is to make a cartoon that looks like those characters while still being able to animate them, which DC has been doing since the 90s and Marvel doing since 2000s.

I guess we'll see what happens with Ultimate Spider-Man to know what Loeb's going to do. The images released don't any closer to the comics than the other cartoons do, so I think there's a difference between what Loeb is saying and what they're actually doing.

Yea his statement does come off as...dumb...really dumb. The statement itself is bothersome but it's made worse coming from him. It's funny because the DC movie line has done a few different styles that look more like the comics they're based on than anything Marvel has done so far. Not knocking the Marvel shows or movies but more knocking Mr.Clownshoes.

[macattack]

He's not "meddling", he's doing his current job. Also, try reading his stuff before the books you mentioned(Though i didn't think his Red Hulk was that bad. Though Greg Pak and Jeff Parker have done excellent work with Red Hulk after Loeb left). Loeb is also good when it comes to Televison stuff.

Read W.C. Reaf's and Wonderwall's posts for additional reasons why I'm concerned about Jeph Loeb's involvement. I don't want him to do his job. I want someone else doing his job.

[capfan1]

Read W.C. Reaf's and Wonderwall's posts for additional reasons why I'm concerned about Jeph Loeb's involvement. I don't want him to do his job. I want someone else doing his job. Too bad you can't choose who hires who at Marvel.All the negative remarks about mr.Loeb and we haven't even seen what he's done on this show.I made a remark about greg weisman awhile back that I didn't like his work,and I should be entitled to my opinon.However I got PM'd by a moderater and PM'd by a weisman fan who was very rude! I see people bashing Jeph Loeb and other marvel writers and that doesn't seem right.I thought this was a board about AEMH not bashing people.I wish we could get back to the topic.I am looking forward to seeing one of my favorite characters Iron fist in his first real animation show,too bad Power man or luke cage doesn't have his original yellow shirt.

[W.C.Reaf]

Here's something dumber that I forgot to mention:


SUPERHERO TOONIVERSE:
When a show like this is created, how important is it to have symmetry with what's happening on the feature film side of things?

JEPH LOEB:
That's something we'll move towards, but when the process started, I don't think that anyone knew that there would be an Avengers movies. Of if they did, it wasn't as clear as it is now.

The show was made after Iron Man came out; there are clear influences of RDJ's Tony Stark and Ed Norton's Bruce Banner from the beginning. What was the last line at the end of Iron Man? "I want to talk to you about the Avengers Initiative." Did Loeb even watch the show he was praising in this interview?

I know it's a simple slip-up, but it's a really dumb slip-up to make. While I'm sure Marvel's plans for an Avengers movie have changed since then and now there was still a plan for an Avengers movie. There's also the fact that the "move towards movie symmetry" was done before he came on board with the aforementioned RDJ Tony Stark. Again he could mean "towards a greater symmetry" but that's not what he said or implied during the statement.

[Capt. Speedbump]

As some have already said, the impact Loeb has had on Season 2 will probably be little, if noticeable at all (I think episode 52 ended pre-production before Loeb received his current position, though I could be wrong; I'm pretty sure once you get past pre-production, there really isn't a whole lot you can go back and tinker with). So for now, I really don't think Loeb's ability/talent/skill (or some-alleged-lack-thereof) is much of an issue.

One thing Loeb said that I do agree with: although I hope the show does go beyond 52, I do like the idea of the show wrapping up story lines, and maybe making sure that if the series does end at 52, we're not left with some big cliffhanger(s) that will never be resolved.

I wish Loeb good luck, and continue to hope the show gets a third season.

[suss2it]

Too bad you can't choose who hires who at Marvel.All the negative remarks about mr.Loeb and we haven't even seen what he's done on this show.All the negative comments I've seen so far have been about Loeb actually said, and his past work. I think it's very fair to judge a writer/artist/whatever on their past work. And Loeb's past work just doesn't hold up. At least his recent stuff, I've heard he's done wonderful things prior to his son dying in 2005. Ultimates 3 and Ultimatum were bad, and almost ruined the Ultimate Universe for me, and it did for others. I skipped his Hulk run since I heard it was pretty bad. So basically as of late he just doesn't have a good track record, but to be fair New Ultimates was alright, and I hear Ultimate X is really good. I'm too wary of Loeb to try it though.

[Medinnus]

One thing Loeb said that I do agree with: although I hope the show does go beyond 52, I do like the idea of the show wrapping up story lines, and maybe making sure that if the series does end at 52, we're not left with some big cliffhanger(s) that will never be resolved.


I agree with you as far as that goes, but I have a hard time believing that Yost (et al) would have left Season Two on a cliffhanger after 52 episodes.

[Venom Melendez]

Read W.C. Reaf's and Wonderwall's posts for additional reasons why I'm concerned about Jeph Loeb's involvement. I don't want him to do his job. I want someone else doing his job. Whatever man, believe what you want. But remember that he isn't writing any of the shows. So i wouldn't overreact is all i'm saying.

Mod Note: This is a note to everyone - let's keep this discussion on a respectable level and not overreact. Thank you.

[dr_marvel2040]

I think if jeph leob get involved in the series and he is the writer of the ultimates,and if the series will be like (JL-JLU),I think the series will end at 52 episoides and a new series will called (THE ULTIMATES)where the avengers will evolve to the ultimate level,and it will be cool just like (JLU),,,,,,,,thanks

[Capt. Speedbump]

I agree with you as far as that goes, but I have a hard time believing that Yost (et al) would have left Season Two on a cliffhanger after 52 episodes.

At this point, I have great faith in everything Yost, Fine, and whoever else deserves the credit for A:EMH so far.

But the list of television shows that ended a season on a cliffhanger, and then never made new episodes again would encircle the Earth about six and a half times. I think there's a website with a list, but I'm too lazy to look it up right now...

[Avengers]

Well than here is a question what are all the plot lines that are left unfinished

[suss2it]

I think if jeph leob get involved in the series and he is the writer of the ultimates,and if the series will be like (JL-JLU),I think the series will end at 52 episoides and a new series will called (THE ULTIMATES)where the avengers will evolve to the ultimate level,and it will be cool just like (JLU),,,,,,,,thanks I hope not. Joeb's Ultimates 3 was terrible. Plus I don't think Ultimates would work for EMH, the Ultimates personalities and EMH ones are really conflicting. However I do think it's cool that they're implementing Cap's Ultimate look, since I think it looks a lot cooler than than his regular look.

[Medinnus]

I hope not. Joeb's Ultimates 3 was terrible. Plus I don't think Ultimates would work for EMH, the Ultimates personalities and EMH ones are really conflicting. However I do think it's cool that they're implementing Cap's Ultimate look, since I think it looks a lot cooler than than his regular look.

Well, we can agree to disagree about classic VS ultimate uniforms, but I don't mind it very much (although my favorite look for him has always been the Captain uniform that got recycled to USAgent's uniform).

Usually, when creators get to a position of authority, we almost always see them indulge what I call their "inner fanboy"; in the case of the late Mark Gruenwald, we'd see the Squadron Supreme and/or Quasar guest-star sooner or later, if BENDIS! was put in charge, we'd see Luke Cage and Jessica Jones and Spider-Woman in central roles, if it was Roy Thomas we'd see Golden Agers guest-star, etc. This is not necessarily a bad thing, just a self-indulgence I've noticed.

That said, I've never seen really seen Jeph Loeb indulge in the practice; he seems to have pretty much taken what exists and run with it, rather than impose his own idiosycracies (again, I'm not totally familiar with his ouvre in comics, so take that with a grain of salt...).

[W.C.Reaf]

That said, I've never seen really seen Jeph Loeb indulge in the practice; he seems to have pretty much taken what exists and run with it, rather than impose his own idiosycracies (again, I'm not totally familiar with his ouvre in comics, so take that with a grain of salt...).

When it comes to the comics Loeb's method of writing makes it hard to see what he'd "indulge" in. He has admitted to writing comics for the artists and that characters are put in there just because the artist wanted to draw them. So that's why his stories have random characters appearing for an issue and then leaving, contributing little to the plot.

So that makes it hard to tell what he's going to do with properties now that he's in charge.

[Capt. Speedbump]

When it comes to the comics Loeb's method of writing makes it hard to see what he'd "indulge" in. He has admitted to writing comics for the artists and that characters are put in there just because the artist wanted to draw them. So that's why his stories have random characters appearing for an issue and then leaving, contributing little to the plot.

So that makes it hard to tell what he's going to do with properties now that he's in charge.

If one perceives Loeb's writing skills as less than stellar, than this could be a good thing, since coupled with Medinnus' comment about how he runs with a concept instead of imposing his own ideas, it sounds like he would delegate most of the stuff to the writers anyway. Really, from reading that interview, it sounds like he thinks the show is fine, praising Yost and Fine, and I really don't think he's going to impose big, unnecessary changes (it sounds like it wasn't even his decision to make the last 12 more "standalone").

The big question, should a season 3 be green-lit, is who would replace Yost and Fine? Or possibly just Fine, since he seems to have definitively left; with Yost, I'm not sure if he'd come back if he's not too busy with other projects...

[ktk]

It wouldn't shock me if this show didn't get a pickup for a definitive season 3. Now that the characters have been established and popularized thanks to both AEMH and, more importantly, the live action movies, it wouldn't shock me if Marvel wanted to try splitting them up into 2 or more solo shows. A Thor show would have lots of unique grandiose stories and settings that it could explore, while unless the upcoming movie flops, I think a Captain America show would work too. Though I wouldn't be shocked if we got some sort of Cap Team Up show, with various characters (Black Widow, Hawkeye, Cap Britain or Union Jack, Iron Man, Hulk, Falcon, etc) showing up from episode to episode.

Conversely, its possible that Avengers will continue under a different banner. Perhaps something like Secret Avengers or Mighty Avengers, or maybe even a year-long arc of Avengers: Civil War, which would have a definitive beginning and end to the story.

Now, having said all that, I'd be perfectly happy if we get that 3rd season of AEMH that focuses on some of the magical threats from the Marvel Universe.

[the greenman]

It wouldn't shock me if this show didn't get a pickup for a definitive season 3. Now that the characters have been established and popularized thanks to both AEMH and, more importantly, the live action movies, it wouldn't shock me if Marvel wanted to try splitting them up into 2 or more solo shows. A Thor show would have lots of unique grandiose stories and settings that it could explore, while unless the upcoming movie flops, I think a Captain America show would work too. Though I wouldn't be shocked if we got some sort of Cap Team Up show, with various characters (Black Widow, Hawkeye, Cap Britain or Union Jack, Iron Man, Hulk, Falcon, etc) showing up from episode to episode.

Conversely, its possible that Avengers will continue under a different banner. Perhaps something like Secret Avengers or Mighty Avengers, or maybe even a year-long arc of Avengers: Civil War, which would have a definitive beginning and end to the story.

Now, having said all that, I'd be perfectly happy if we get that 3rd season of AEMH that focuses on some of the magical threats from the Marvel Universe.

I think you're right about them wanting to split them up into soloshows. I hope you're wrong though, this show has plenty of potential. They haven't even gotten into the era of Wonder Man (Already appeared), Scarlet Witch, The Vision, Jocasta (Which I think will definitely be a sequel to the Ultron arc.), and many more. Personally, I'd love for them to do exactly that, add more members and get rid of some. The Hulk could appear in a spin-off set in the same universe with The Defenders, which I would love. They could also do Guardians of the Galaxy and The New Warriors.

BTW, I just started watching this show a couple of weeks ago and on the season finale. This is the Avengers equilvalent of Spectacular Spider-Man. They really surprised me by how much a great job they did in this show. I didn't pick up much references like DC shows have, though I got a few like in one ep how Hawkeye said we need to move to the West Coast. Anyways, can't wait for Season 2.

[Medinnus]

I think you're right about them wanting to split them up into soloshows.

I don't think the branding on AEMH is strong enough for them to successfully split the show into more than one; I think there is not a sufficient differential to make them unique enough to benefit. I think that would be a poor decision, and fragment the franchise enough that they'd fail. I get the "fan" desire for more teams, preferably loaded with their own personal favorites, but the following for AEMH would have to be a lot stronger to convince TPTB to shoot themselves in the foot like that.

What they are currently doing is seeing if AEMH has "coat-tails" big enough to significantly improve Iron Man: Teen Tony's ratings; they have a decent baseline of what the ratings are from Season One to work against the ratings they'll get with Season Two. If they can find that AEMH works synergistically with Iron Man Adventures, we might be able to look forward to some single-character spin-offs.

[the greenman]

No, I didn't mean that they would split up the characters from this show. I simply meant that they could give the characters solo series with different continuities.

[macattack]

I'm not sure if Disney XD wants a Season 3. They have not been treating the show very well so far and considering they've basically yanked it off the air either the show isn't doing so hot or DXD doesn't want the show to do well. Either way, that spells a probable doom for the show . . . and possibly injures every character's chances of having a solo series in the future.

If EMH premieres move to a burnoff slot like Kid Vs Kat and Jimmy 2 Shoes the show is doomed for certain.

[Bat-Fan Beyond]

I think it's very fair to judge a writer/artist/whatever on their past work. And Loeb's past work just doesn't hold up. At least his recent stuff, I've heard he's done wonderful things prior to his son dying in 2005.

I think you just hit it on the head there. I don't like everything he's done, but some of my favorite stories in comics happened to be by Loeb before his son died.

Batman: Haunted Knight
Batman: The Long Halloween
Batman: Dark Victory
Catwoman: When In Rome
Superman For All Seasons
Daredevil: Yellow
Batman: Hush
And to lesser extend... Superman/Batman: Supergirl


Other than Daredevil: Yellow, I didn't care for anything else he's done for Marvel, especially his Ultimate work.

But regardless of whether you like his work or not before and/or after his son passed, that doesn't necessarily mean that he's going to ruin this show or that he's even involving himself as a writer. He might just be looking over it as a producer.

[Avengers]

I'm not sure if Disney XD wants a Season 3. They have not been treating the show very well so far and considering they've basically yanked it off the air either the show isn't doing so hot or DXD doesn't want the show to do well. Either way, that spells a probable doom for the show . . . and possibly injures every character's chances of having a solo series in the future.

If EMH premieres move to a burnoff slot like Kid Vs Kat and Jimmy 2 Shoes the show is doomed for certain.

Every time I watched on disney XD before the finale their was a commercial advertising its permier, I do not believe they want it to fail, if anything their constant switching means they want it to succeed

[Rick Jones]

I'm not sure if Disney XD wants a Season 3. They have not been treating the show very well so far and considering they've basically yanked it off the air either the show isn't doing so hot or DXD doesn't want the show to do well. Either way, that spells a probable doom for the show . . . and possibly injures every character's chances of having a solo series in the future.

If EMH premieres move to a burnoff slot like Kid Vs Kat and Jimmy 2 Shoes the show is doomed for certain.I think it doesn't really help that Disney XD still has no idea what their identity should be. Outside of maybe Kick Buttowski, I don't think any of their original animated shows have been getting treated all that well lately (I had absolutely no idea they still aired Jimmy Two Shoes).

[Venom Melendez]

. The Hulk could appear in a spin-off set in the same universe with The Defenders, which I would love.

.

Yes! Especially with the Original four and maybe throw in Valkyrie.


I'm not sure if Disney XD wants a Season 3. They have not been treating the show very well

.

Actually, they've been treating the show very well. The promote it alot, especially the new Episodes. The have given the show several marathons, we are even getting another marathon tomorow.

[babykhris]

I'm not sure if Disney XD wants a Season 3. They have not been treating the show very well so far and considering they've basically yanked it off the air either the show isn't doing so hot or DXD doesn't want the show to do well. Either way, that spells a probable doom for the show . . . and possibly injures every character's chances of having a solo series in the future.

If EMH premieres move to a burnoff slot like Kid Vs Kat and Jimmy 2 Shoes the show is doomed for certain.

I think Disney XD has treated the show fine. Season's over so let's wait for season 2.
Marvel will the flagship of DXD watch,

[suss2it]

Well, we can agree to disagree about classic VS ultimate uniforms, but I don't mind it very much (although my favorite look for him has always been the Captain uniform that got recycled to USAgent's uniform).Although I do prefer the Ultimate look over the 616 one, my all time favourite Steve Rogers look has to be the one he was wearing since he got back up until he recently became Cap again.

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I'd love to see that in animation.

[the greenman]

I'm not sure if Disney XD wants a Season 3. They have not been treating the show very well so far and considering they've basically yanked it off the air either the show isn't doing so hot or DXD doesn't want the show to do well. Either way, that spells a probable doom for the show . . . and possibly injures every character's chances of having a solo series in the future. If EMH premieres move to a burnoff slot like Kid Vs Kat and Jimmy 2 Shoes the show is doomed for certain. I think they (MARVEL/ DISNEY) are going to push Avengers down our throat next year to market the live action film. They may also push Spectacular Spider-Man and other shows like that next year. However, they didn'thelp promotion for XMen this year, so I don't look forward to any Spidey stuff exvept Ultimate Spider-Man.

[RoryWilliams]

I think they (MARVEL/ DISNEY) are going to push Avengers down our throat next year to market the live action film. They may also push Spectacular Spider-Man and other shows like that next year. However, they didn'thelp promotion for XMen this year, so I don't look forward to any Spidey stuff exvept Ultimate Spider-Man.

Aside from at least 10-year old reruns of old shows, did they really have much to promote X-Men: First Class with?

Either way I sincerely doubt they aren't going to push Ultimate Spider-Man and Avengers season 2. Nobody likes having bombs.

[Capt. Speedbump]

I think they (MARVEL/ DISNEY) are going to push Avengers down our throat next year to market the live action film. They may also push Spectacular Spider-Man and other shows like that next year. However, they didn'thelp promotion for XMen this year, so I don't look forward to any Spidey stuff exvept Ultimate Spider-Man.

Apologies in advance if this is starting to get off-topic, but I doubt they'll re-run Spectacular Spider-Man anytime soon, even in the early AM. That show was ended so Disney/Marvel could produce their own Spider-Man animated series, and my feeling is that Disney/Marvel kind of hope people just forget that SSM ever existed. After all, it was very critically acclaimed, and if they run the show concurrently with Ultimate Spider-Man, and if people find the new show inferior to the old one, it will bring up the whole "why did they cancel a good thing" debate again and create badwill.

OK, getting back to A:EMH: the movie certianly gives them a reason to promote the series, and the marathon today shows that XD believes that movie-cross promotion is a good thing, so lets just keep our fingers crossed and see what happens.

[babykhris]

I think they (MARVEL/ DISNEY) are going to push Avengers down our throat next year to market the live action film. They may also push Spectacular Spider-Man and other shows like that next year. However, they didn'thelp promotion for XMen this year, so I don't look forward to any Spidey stuff exvept Ultimate Spider-Man.

Not to be a conspiracy theorist, but why would Marvel/Disney create a show to promote X-Men when FOX hasn't be very helpful to them.

A friend said to me and I believe it. Have you noticed how when 1st X-Men film came out the X-Men were the center of Marvel Comics. Since Marvel Studios began X-Men in the comics have been devalued. Heck look at every Marvel character FOX has status in the Marvel Universe.

The Fantastic Four aren't even together anymore and they killed off Johnny,
75% of the mutants are gone
Daredevil role's been reduced.
Last big thing Elektra done was be a SKRULL.

Marvel comic now revolve around characters like The Avengers, Spidey, etc aka characters Marvel Studios can control. Mutants are hardly in any of the big Marvel events nowadays and most kids see Wolverine more as an Avenger than an X-Men now.

At least Marvel and Sony have a sort of friendly relationship.

[Sockie]

The Fantastic Four aren't even together anymore

Um... yes, the surviving FF members are still together. They're together as the Future Foundation and not the Fantastic Four, but they're still together.

Also, how has Daredevil's role been reduced? There was just a crossover event revolving around him, the first issue of his new series comes out this week, and he's joining the New Avengers.

[W.C.Reaf]

Not to be a conspiracy theorist, but why would Marvel/Disney create a show to promote X-Men when FOX hasn't be very helpful to them.

A friend said to me and I believe it. Have you noticed how when 1st X-Men film came out the X-Men were the center of Marvel Comics. Since Marvel Studios began X-Men in the comics have been devalued. Heck look at every Marvel character FOX has status in the Marvel Universe.

The Fantastic Four aren't even together anymore and they killed off Johnny,
75% of the mutants are gone
Daredevil role's been reduced.
Last big thing Elektra done was be a SKRULL.

Marvel comic now revolve around characters like The Avengers, Spidey, etc aka characters Marvel Studios can control. Mutants are hardly in any of the big Marvel events nowadays and most kids see Wolverine more as an Avenger than an X-Men now.

At least Marvel and Sony have a sort of friendly relationship.

That's pretty conspiracy theorist. Daredevil had a recent event called Shadowland and he will be getting a new ongoing soon. When was the last time Elektra was a "big thing" other than the Skrull business? Fantastic Four had a big push with both Millar's run and Hickman's as well as the relaunch with Future Foundation (with Spidey on the team).

X-Men is practically its own universe, especially with the amount of books they have, with its own events that it does. The "only 200 Mutants left" was wiping out Grant Morrison’s work on the title. Wolverine is not “more of an Avenger” now since he’s been an Avenger since New Avengers started and being on one more team doesn’t equate to the multiple X-Teams he’s on plus his solo books.

I can't see how Sony has been more "helpful" (what does that even mean?) to Marvel than Fox has. It just helps your theory since Marvel has been pushing Spidey quite a bit, and always has, even putting him back into the black suit to give the comics a boost from the third film.

As for cartoons: WatX was actually pushed back to air more in line with the Wolverine Origins film, Marvel is putting out Ultimate Spider-Man fairly close to the new Spidey film. It's all a matter of cashing in on the hype certain properties have when a new film is coming out, not what company has been "more helpful" than the other.

[Venom Melendez]

The Fantastic Four aren't even together anymore and they killed off Johnny,
75% of the mutants are gone
Daredevil role's been reduced.
Last big thing Elektra done was be a SKRULL.

The real Elektra returned and even got her own miniseries and now shows up in the HfH ongoing. The FF are still together and the current FF book is popular and a good seller.

And Daredevil is returning with his own ongoing and showing up in other books, so he role hasn't been reduced. And the Mutants keep getting their own crossovers and they still have multiple X-Men related books out(All doing rather well.

So i'm not sure what your point is friend.


I think they (MARVEL/ DISNEY) are going to push Avengers down our throat next year to market the live action film. They may also push Spectacular Spider-Man and other shows like that next year. However, they didn'thelp promotion for XMen this year, so I don't look forward to any Spidey stuff exvept Ultimate Spider-Man.

They don't air SSM(Don't think they can either). If anything, they will probably do a marathon with USM and the other Spidey toons they do air.


T

As for cartoons: WatX was actually pushed back to air more in line with the Wolverine Origins film, Marvel is putting out Ultimate Spider-Man fairly close to the new Spidey film. It's all a matter of cashing in on the hype certain properties have when a new film is coming out, not what company has been "more helpful" than the other.

Exactly!

[Chaotix12345]

It looks like we'll have the rest of Season 1 on DVD by the end of the year. (http://tvshowsondvd.com/n/15678) Freaking SWEET! :D

[Choppasmith]

Just thought I'd drop this in here:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l-SQ7ex8rzs

(http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l-SQ7ex8rzs)Capcom's announced Ultimate Marvel vs Capcom 3 and one of the first shown off characters is Hawkeye with his EMH voice actor. (for mods and other wondering why this matters, MvC3 cast the likes of Cap and Iron man with their EMH voices BEFORE their EMH debut)

We're also getting Rocket Raccoon, Ghost Rider, Iron Fist, Doctor Strange, and Nova. Some of those guys are bound to show up in Season 2 somewhere.

[Medinnus]

We're also getting Rocket Raccoon...

...and the rest of the Guardians of the Galaxy!


...Ghost Rider...

No idea.


...Dr. Strange...

No idea.



...Iron Fist...

Assuming the authenticity of a leaked storyboard sequence, we're getting Luke Cage, Iron Fist, and the Scott Lang Ant-Man, aided by Dr. Pym.



...and Nova. Some of those guys are bound to show up in Season 2 somewhere.

So, the interesting thing about Nova is that I specifically asked Joshua Fine about Nova, since we were getting the Guardians, and he refused to comment either way... which gave me hope! :D

[King_of_doom]

i hope She Hulk and Hercules show up. i think John DiMaggio would make a great Hercules. he could pretty much do the same voice he already uses for Aquaman on Batman Brave and the Bold. that would be awesome.

I can actually pic John DiMaggio voicing Hercules just like he did with Aquaman, fits him well lol.

[Capt. Speedbump]

Just another heads up for people who watch the show on Disney XD.

According to this site:

http://www.locatetv.com/listings/disney-xd#22-Jul-2011

Disney XD appears to be showing A:EMH Friday nights at nine.

Also, this Sunday, they're re-running the Cap-Marathon, exept a half-hour earlier (7:30-10:00).

[Medinnus]

http://www.medinnus.com/AEMH/images/microheroes/mandrill_AEMH_01.png

Mandrill

The body was easy. The head? This pathetic thing is my 7th attempt, and the best of the lot. I may have to re-do him when I have spare time.

[the greenman]

Just thought I'd drop this in here:http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l-SQ7ex8rzsCapcom's announced Ultimate Marvel vs Capcom 3 and one of the first shown off characters is Hawkeye with his EMH voice actor. (for mods and other wondering why this matters, MvC3 cast the likes of Cap and Iron man with their EMH voices BEFORE their EMH debut)We're also getting Rocket Raccoon, Ghost Rider, Iron Fist, Doctor Strange, and Nova. Some of those guys are bound to show up in Season 2 somewhere. I honestly wouldn't mind seeing any one of them. I grew up with the Nova from New Warriors, so not that familiar with the original one.

[Venom Melendez]

We're also getting Rocket Raccoon, Ghost Rider, Iron Fist, Doctor Strange, and Nova. Some of those guys are bound to show up in Season 2 somewhere.

Not all of them, no. After all, Taskmaster hasn't show up in any show yet(Neither has Shuma-Gorath) and i think someone else has the GR rights, but i'm not sure. So that doesn't really prove who will show up in the show.

Though Nova will probably show up in the Ultimate Spider-Man cartoon going by the teaser.

I do wonder who will voice Rocket Raccoon in Avengers:EMH.


I honestly wouldn't mind seeing any one of them. I grew up with the Nova from New Warriors, so not that familiar with the original one.

That is the original Nova.

[the greenman]

Not all of them, no. After all, Taskmaster hasn't show up in any show yet(Neither has Shuma-Gorath) and i think someone else has the GR rights, but i'm not sure. So that doesn't really prove who will show up in the show.Though Nova will probably show up in the Ultimate Spider-Man cartoon going by the teaser.I do wonder who will voice Rocket Raccoon in Avengers:EMH.That is the original Nova. Really, always thought it was a different kid who inherited his powers ala Captain Universe or something. It's been years since I those, so I may have simply forgot.

[jph139]

Really, always thought it was a different kid who inherited his powers ala Captain Universe or something. It's been years since I those, so I may have simply forgot.

Well... kinda-sorta. Same guy, different duds - he ends up as protector of the universe in the Nova Corps, which is in essence Marvel's answer to the Green Lanterns. Considering how vital Nova's been to Cosmic Marvel as of late, I'd call him a shoe-in for Season 2.

It definitely looks like Marvel's trying to get these characters in the limelight with all the good press that portion of the universe has been getting, and that's a definite thumbs-up in my mind.

[Medinnus]

"Friday July 22 - 10:30 - 11:30 (PST) - Marvel's Head of TV, Jeph Loeb, brings the inside scoop on Marvel's latest series that take your favorite heroes from page to screen. Get a first look at the premiere of The Avengers: Earth's Mightiest Heroes season 2, a sneak peek at a certain ULTIMATE webslinger, and a few other surprises from Marvel Television. Room 6BCF"

CBR (http://www.comicbookresources.com/) does (IMO) my favorite coverage, with live blogging and (usually) links to any visuals.

[Rick Jones]

I thought they were just doing the Television panel and the Anime panel.

[Medinnus]

I thought they were just doing the Television panel and the Anime panel.

...what else is there that is AEMH-related?

[the greenman]

I wish we'd get some info on possible new dtv's.

[Sockie]

"Friday July 22 - 10:30 - 11:30 (PST) - Marvel's Head of TV, Jeph Loeb, brings the inside scoop on Marvel's latest series that take your favorite heroes from page to screen. Get a first look at the premiere of The Avengers: Earth's Mightiest Heroes season 2, a sneak peek at a certain ULTIMATE webslinger, and a few other surprises from Marvel Television. Room 6BCF"

CBR (http://www.comicbookresources.com/) does (IMO) my favorite coverage, with live blogging and (usually) links to any visuals.

Actually, the television panel's tomorrow. Today's the anime panel.

[Medinnus]

Actually, the television panel's tomorrow. Today's the anime panel.

All I know is what the schedule says, bro! :D

[ktk]

All I know is what the schedule says, bro! :D???
Link?

Every schedule I've seen says that panel is tomorrow.

Marvel Anime panel - 7:30 Friday (eastern time)
Marvel Television panel - 1:30 Saturday

[James Harvey]

Marvel Animation passed the following schedule details to me earlier this month here (http://marvel.toonzone.net/news.php?action=fullnews&id=679). The "Marvel Television Presents" panel is scheduled for Saturday, July 23rd.

[JustLeagExpansio]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CmuIYaP18g0

Hey,guys,is this legit? It has pictures of Marvel characters in EMH style.

[James Harvey]

Details and artwork for The Avengers: Earth's Mightiest Heroes - Volume Three and The Avengers: Earth's Mightiest Heroes - Volume Four have been released by Walt Disney Studios Home Entertainment. Click here (http://marvel.toonzone.net/news.php?action=fullnews&id=682) or on the thumbnail artwork for more!


http://marvel.toonzone.net/avengersemh/releases/dvd/vol3/t-cover.jpg (http://marvel.toonzone.net/news.php?action=fullnews&id=682) http://marvel.toonzone.net/avengersemh/releases/dvd/vol4/t-cover.jpg (http://marvel.toonzone.net/news.php?action=fullnews&id=682) Stay tuned for further updates here soon at Marvel Animation Age (http://marvel.toonzone.net/).

[Medinnus]

SDCC showed the first episode of Season Two, featuring Dr. Doom and guest-starring the Fantastic Four!

* The fellow doing the streaming coverage from Newsarama says that the intro of A:EMH looks like the classic one from Season One, but that he always fast-forwards through it so he's unsure.
* Captain America is in his new uniform. Cannot call him "Winghead" now. I am saddened.
* Episode maintains the fast pace from Season One.
* Wasp to Doom: "Putting a skirt over your second-rate Iron Man armor? Not helping."

No update on the launch date for Season Two made explicit, but they talked about October, according to the commentator.

[Gregatron]

For any of you that wants to know what happened in the Season 2 premiere, go to the Marvel Live Blog

http://marvel.com/news/story/16256/san_diego_comic-con_2011_liveblog_central?LSID=4166869|10859501|4stsm73ou7up

Scroll down to the TV blog.

Season 2 sounds really awesome so far.

[ktk]

Well I have to admit, I spoiled myself by reading through the entire play by play of the season 2 premiere. (And I usually avoid spoilers at all costs.) Suffice it to say, season 2 starts off with a bang. Gotta love the heroes playing poker scene, and I'm glad that the ending leaves things open for further appearances.

Did you guys notice the part about who was missing from the opening title screen:
Thor and Ant-Man

I'm glad that this pretty much picks up where season 1 left off.

[Gregatron]

Did you guys notice the part about who was missing from the opening title screen:
Thor and Ant-Man


In that play by play, it states why Ant-Man and Thor where missing. Thor was in Asgard, and Hank is taking a leave of absence.

I wish they would give us a date for when season 2 starts. I can't wait.

[macattack]

Well, it looks like Season 2 will kick off with a lot of fun action (definite plus that it'll just take off from when season 1 ended). Definitely looks like a ride I want to remain part of, that's for sure. ^^

But season 1's last scene makes things even more interesting . . . I look forward to seeing that get developed and resolved.

[The Octopus]

As I shared my viewings of the Marvel Television Panel in the Ultimate Spider-Man thread I come hear to do the same of the premiere of the 1st episode of Season 2 for A:EHM, titled the "Private of Dr. Doom".

I am putting the summary in spoiler tags, to respect those who desire to not read it, although the episode contained only a few key plot points. This is a detailed summary, so anyone attempting to avoid spoiling humorous scenes, may want to avoid it.

If you need clarification, please ask me, I'd be more than willing to share what I can. Great opener for this new season!! :)

So the episode starts off with Lucia von Bardas (aptly with a heavy Eastern European accent) summarizing the threat levels and skills of the various Avengers.
I remember them classifying...

Wasp: Low
Hulk: Extreme
Black Panther: Low
Hawkeye: Low
Thor and Ant-Man were deemed unaccounted for so no threat level was assigned. I believe Bardas then asked if they should attack, with Doom replying yes or something akin to that.

The Season 1 intro makes a comeback, although I didn't pay attention to see if Giant Man and Thor were there, but I doubt they were in the roster line-up.

Continuing...mysterious figures arrive at Avengers Mansion and ring the doorbell. Hawkeye while reading a book, ends up answering it with Hulk. It's Human Torch and The Thing! They are wearing overcoats and are they for a poker game. Thing, I believe makes a remark about Hulk, only for him to be pummeled. Hawkeye then claims he should have gone with Tony.

Meanwhile, the Quinjet lands on the roof of the Baxter Building. Tony Stark and Wasp arrive to be greeted by a previously invisible, Sue Storm. Sue explains Reed is wrapped up in his work to join her. Tony then chides her by stating she should leave Reed for Tony, as he ignores her a lot (Also, Reed and Sue aren't married).

Wasp sticks with Sue and goes to the Negative Prison with her, explaining how they saved they basically saved the universe. Sue praises the Avengers, stating that the FF have put away a few crimanals, but not to the scale of the Avengers.

Back at the mansion, Torch, Thing, Panther, Hulk, Cap, and Hawkeye are having a poker game, to which Cap asks who Torch is. Hawkeye calms Johnny, by claiming he's like 100 yrs old and doesn't know modern times well. Thor is revealed to have remained in Asgard, by Panther I think. Thing has a full house, to which Hulk responds with some good ol' fistcuffs. haha

Tony joins Reed (he is working on Ravonna from Season 1) in his lab. Reed is relatively absorbed in his work, much like the comics. Tony tries to explain the armor that he acquired in Asgard and how he had to leave there with the Dwarf King I think. Tony then outright asks him if he's this oblivous to Sue, claiming Sue should leave Reed and stick with Tony. Reed tells him he could seal Tony in his suit 10 different ways. They laugh and Reed states that Sue, actually has been the one vanishing from Reed. He also asks about Hank, whom Tony claims is taking a "leave of abscence."

The Doombots attack everyone simultaneously, catching them off guard.

Wasp attacks them and ends up cornered, but Sue protects them with a force field. They however, are further overwhelmed.

Tony mostly blasts at the ones he deals with, using the chest beam and the jets on his feet to defeat a few. Reed wraps himself around one and opens a panel on it and deactivates it.

Torch ignites and starts blasting a few. Thing attempts to motivate Hulk by insulting him, to which Hulk uses Thing (literally) to smash some Doombots.

The bots then stop functioning, causing Reed and Tony to realize that Doom has Wasp and Sue. However, the bots transform into bombs, forcing them to slipt up. Tony goes and attempts to resuce them, but is defeated by Lucia von Bardas. Reed deactivates his bomb, with Torch and co dealing with theirs.

Wasp wakes up in Doom's castle and is in a clear, sphere that eletrocutes them, upon usage of their power. Wasp quote: "Putting a skirt over your second-rate Iron Man armor? Not helping." haha She also wakes up Sue. Doom and Lucia appear to be performing scans on the two.

The others debate on whether they should invade Latveria, as doing so would cause an international incident, as they would be invading (not sure if that was a reference). They attempt it anyway, but the Quinjet and Torch are repelled and "fly back."

Doom realizes it's a ruse, shoots a camoflauged Iron Man and eventually the rest join the ensuing fight. Reed attempts to free Sue and Janet, but is attacked by Doom and Lucia. Panther ends up brutally taking down Lucia, by ripping through her torso. They all (minus the women) attempt to charge Doom, to which he impressively defeats them all (however, Hulk manages to knock Doom's hood off, until he's blasted out of the castle). He releases Sue and Jan upon their defeat and returns to his throne (literal). Reed asks why did he do this only to free them, but gets no response. Tony says it's not over and destroys the device holding Sue and Jan, before they leave.

They return to the Mansion, still curious as to the purpose of that enigmatic conflict.

Meanwhile, Doom observes the scans of Jan and Sue, which reveal...

Susan Storm is a Skrull!! (explaining her disappearances from Reed)

Also, to the curious, some of the voice cast I could identify were:

Dee Bradley Baker - Reed Richards/Mr. Fantastic
David Kaufman - Johnny Storm/Human Torch
Erin Torpey - Susan Storm/Invisible Woman
??? (likely it was Michael Dobson) - Dr. Doom (no Latverian accent, but he spoke much slower, deeper, and less overt, which made him sound pretty bad-ass)
Also, Cap had his new Ultimate outfit on already in the episode, so I'm not sure if/when they will explain the change in uniform.

[Josh_Fine]

??? (likely it was Michael Dobson) - Dr. Doom (no Latverian accent, but he spoke much slower, deeper, and less overt, which made him sound pretty bad-ass)



Doctor Doom is voiced by the talented Lex Lang.

[Rick Jones]

Doctor Doom is voiced by the talented Lex Lang.Cool, he's even got a villainous name. Just browsing over his filmography, it looks as though he's been in shows and that I've seen that I don't really remember him from but I'm sure he'll be awesome as Doom.

[macattack]

Cool, he's even got a villainous name. Just browsing over his filmography, it looks as though he's been in shows and that I've seen that I don't really remember him from but I'm sure he'll be awesome as Doom.

Lex Lang to me will always be Sanosuke from Rurouni Kenshin. But he can probably pull off a great Dr. Doom. A bit disappointed they couldn't get Dobson to record the role like MvC 3, though.

[jph139]

Lex Lang has never done wrong in my book; solid choice, there. Very much looking forward to the next season - it looks like a lot of its finished, so the wait shouldn't be too bad.

[Capt. Speedbump]

Lex Lang has never done wrong in my book; solid choice, there. Very much looking forward to the next season - it looks like a lot of its finished, so the wait shouldn't be too bad.

Back in March, Josh Fine tweeted that 13 eps. of Season 2 were in the can. I think in late May or early June (I don't remember exactly), Chris Yost or someone else said the number was up to 20, and that all episodes should be completed before the end of the summer.

I'd estimate there's a 99% chance that episode 52 will be in the can before episode 27 airs.

But when Disney XD chooses to air them... that's the question.

[Medinnus]

Dr. Doom - some of it is guesswork, as I only have one good reference shot, really... If I can get a good reference shot of the Doombots, I
ll do those, too!

http://www.medinnus.com/AEMH/images/microheroes/dr_doom_AEHM_01.png

[Capt. Speedbump]

Dr. Doom - some of it is guesswork, as I only have one good reference shot, really... If I can get a good reference shot of the Doombots, I
ll do those, too!

http://www.medinnus.com/AEMH/images/microheroes/dr_doom_AEHM_01.png

Really nice work!

For what it's worth, I think you did a pretty good job with Mandrill, though I knew his head would be a royal pain.

All I can say for now is, I hope to have more requests once season 2 starts!

[The Octopus]

Doctor Doom is voiced by the talented Lex Lang.

Thanks for revealing that, Mr Fine!

Lex did an amazing job of sounding very sinister, cold, and calculating.

Also, thinking about it now, Mary Elizabeth McGlynn or Cindy Robinson was the voice of Lucia von Bardas. She had a deep voice with a unique Eastern European accent.

And I couldn't tell if Fred Tactasciore was the voice of Thing, although he is likely, having voiced him on the show already. Also a deep, heavy voice with a slight New York accent. It fit him really well.

[Aquaman OS]

I believe they've said all of season 2 is in the can and in the hands of Disney XD. It's up to them when they plan to release it, although I'd assume no later than October.

For those who saw the episode did Cap get a replacement weapon yet?

[Choppasmith]

A bit disappointed they couldn't get Dobson to record the role like MvC 3, though.

Yeah same here, even though I really wasn't the biggest fan of his Doom. Isn't he set to appear in IM Armored Adventures though? I imagine he'll voice him there as the voice cast for that show is Canadian based IIRC.

[Josh_Fine]

Thanks for revealing that, Mr Fine!

Lex did an amazing job of sounding very sinister, cold, and calculating.

Also, thinking about it now, Mary Elizabeth McGlynn or Cindy Robinson was the voice of Lucia von Bardas. She had a deep voice with a unique Eastern European accent.

And I couldn't tell if Fred Tactasciore was the voice of Thing, although he is likely, having voiced him on the show already. Also a deep, heavy voice with a slight New York accent. It fit him really well.

Fred did indeed voice the Thing (just further evidence--as if you needed any--that the guy has crazy amounts of talent.) Lucia Von Bardas was voiced by Kirsten Potter.

[Capt. Speedbump]

Fred did indeed voice the Thing (just further evidence--as if you needed any--that the guy has crazy amounts of talent.) Lucia Von Bardas was voiced by Kirsten Potter.

Josh Fine visits this thread? COOL! :D

I was going to ask you a bunch of questions, but I'm 99.999% sure you're response to them would all be "Wait and see during Season 2."

[Medinnus]

Josh Fine visits this thread? COOL! :D

I was going to ask you a bunch of questions, but I'm 99.999% sure you're response to them would all be "Wait and see during Season 2."

Yeah, he's kinda like that... :D

[Josh_Fine]

Josh Fine visits this thread? COOL! :D


Right?


I was going to ask you a bunch of questions, but I'm 99.999% sure you're response to them would all be "Wait and see during Season 2."


Most likely. In general, any questions along the lines of "Who's going to appear?" / "Does X character appear?" and "Are you guys going to do X storyline?" receive a "watch and find out!" response. And those happen to make up 99.999% of questions I get asked.

However, any questions about things that have already happened, why we made certain decisions, or what are my thoughts on topic X are all fair game.

[W.C.Reaf]

However, any questions about things that have already happened, why we made certain decisions, or what are my thoughts on topic X are all fair game.

OK then, since I just watched this episode again today, why was Loki in shadow in Masters of Evil?

Since he was already established as Enchantress' partner it seems odd that his identity tried to be hidden like that.

[The Octopus]

Fred did indeed voice the Thing (just further evidence--as if you needed any--that the guy has crazy amounts of talent.) Lucia Von Bardas was voiced by Kirsten Potter.

Thanks again!!
Yeah, I was listening to his voice and thinking Thing sounds nothing like Hulk or any of Fred's previous roles for it to be him. Definitely gives me more respect for him.

And out of curiousity, does the Voice/Casting Director Jamie Simone pull several Naruto actors into Avengers and even in Wolverine and the X-Men on purpose?

Also, on the subject of Naruto voice actors, do Debi Mae West, Megan Hollingshead, or Steve Staley voice any characters in the second season?

[Matt Hazuda]

I believe they've said all of season 2 is in the can and in the hands of Disney XD. It's up to them when they plan to release it, although I'd assume no later than October.

For those who saw the episode did Cap get a replacement weapon yet?No, Cap was without a weapon in this episode. I liked the fact that they respected continuity. I wonder how they plan on getting a replacement shield.

I'm still wondering if season 2 is going to be the Kree vs Skrull War, Secret Invasion or a mix of the two somehow. They really gave no hints in that regard during the panel or presentation of the episode.

[Aquaman OS]

I think it's more coincidence about the Naruto VAs. That and that Naruto has such a ridiculously gigantic cast that nearly every VA has been in it at some point.

I have noticed however that there used to be a noticable divide between Anime dubbing voice actors like Yuri Lowenthal and Steve Blum and regular western made animation actors like Jennifer Hale or Cam Clarke, but that's seemingly starting to break down as Anime people are doing more and more western stuff.

I don't know if that's due to union rules changing or something. I noticed early anime dubbing had nearly all VAs under assumed names, which I can only guess meant it wasn't going through union channels.

[Josh_Fine]

OK then, since I just watched this episode again today, why was Loki in shadow in Masters of Evil?

Since he was already established as Enchantress' partner it seems odd that his identity tried to be hidden like that.

This was not intentional, but was triggered by a couple of things. When the animation came back from overseas, the scene was far too light--which was only a problem because we didn't want you to know WHERE Loki was. We added in some shadows to help obscure the location, but in the production version of the episode, you could still clearly make out Loki's facial and body details. Later on--either in color correction or as a result of the video transfers, those shadows continued to get darker until it was harder to make out Loki's identity.

It was not scripted or storyboarded / directed that way. Just one of those weird post-production & mastering things that pops up out of nowhere.



And out of curiousity, does the Voice/Casting Director Jamie Simone pull several Naruto actors into Avengers and even in Wolverine and the X-Men on purpose?

Also, on the subject of Naruto voice actors, do Debi Mae West, Megan Hollingshead, or Steve Staley voice any characters in the second season?

The way that casting usually worked for the show is that Jamie would do an amazing job paring down auditions (often times weeding through hundreds of them) to put together a manageable list of finalists (15-30). Usually Jamie, Frank Paur, and Chris Yost would give some input on the ones they liked best and then I would make the final pick. If we found ourselves on the fence, we would do callback auditions to work with the top three or four options for the role. With the most prominent characters (the core Avengers and some important guests / villains) I would present our picks to the Marvel higher-ups, including Joe Quesada, to get an official sign off that we were moving in the right direction.

That's a long lead up to saying that we didn't have any particular bias for or against voice actors on Naruto or any other anime, except to say that there happen to be a lot of talented people working on that show. I'm always listening for the right voice for a character. It doesn't matter to me how famous the actor is or what they've worked on previously; if they're a good fit, they're a good fit. Most of the characters in this show have existed in comics for better than half a century. As a result, most readers have developed an idea of what these guys and girls 'sound like' in their head. It's far more important to me to match that ellusive idea of what they should sound and act like than it is to try to get a big name celebrity for PR purposes.

There happen to be a lot of talented actors breaking into the business by way of anime these days and anime happens to be a particularly good training ground for doing action efforts and fight reactions--things that are deceptively difficult for many actors to do. As such, it's not that surprising to me that so many of them end up making good Super Heroes and Villains!

[Capt. Speedbump]

However, any questions about things that have already happened, why we made certain decisions, or what are my thoughts on topic X are all fair game.

Well, I wanted to ask one question, but I really don't know if it's "fair game". It mostly concerns season 1, but I don't know how much it leads into season 2. If you can/want to answer it, great, but if you don't want to or can't, I completely understand.

At the end of part 2 of Breakout, after Graviton is captured, Fury then says there are 74 super-villains who broke out of the four prisons. After the Avengers capture Mandrill the following episode, Tony then says "1 down, 73 to go". In both these cases, the number is stated rather deliberately.

My question is: Did you, Chris Yost, or another writer create a specific list somewhere of each of the villains that broke out of the prisons, add them up and come up with 74?

If yes, obviously I don't expect the list to be revealed in this forum. But maybe it'd make an interesting extra for DVD volume 8 or something.

Well, now that that's out of the way, let me thank you for the HUGE part you played in the creation of my all-time favorite comic-book animated series.

[Josh_Fine]

At the end of part 2 of Breakout, after Graviton is captured, Fury then says there are 74 super-villains who broke out of the four prisons. After the Avengers capture Mandrill the following episode, Tony then says "1 down, 73 to go". In both these cases, the number is stated rather deliberately.

My question is: Did you, Chris Yost, or another writer create a specific list somewhere of each of the villains that broke out of the prisons, add them up and come up with 74?

The answer is... sort of. When Chris and I were first developing the series, we generated a huge list of villains that were locked up in the various Super Villain prisons. In order to allow ourselves some storytelling flexibility for the future though, we set the total number of breakout villains at a higher number than we'd actually nailed down in our list. This left us a number of 'open spots' that we could play with later if there was someone we wanted to introduce by way of the breakout.

Throughout work on the series, I maintained a list of all the villains that had been introduced, which ones originated in the breakout, and what their current status is/was (whether they were still at large, had been recaptured, or killed in action.)



Well, now that that's out of the way, let me thank you for the HUGE part you played in the creation of my all-time favorite comic-book animated series.

Thanks for watching! That's some high praise!

[TheVileOne]

Josh Fine is posting on the Avengers thread, awesome! Josh were characters like the Fantastic Four always available to you when you started work on the series?

[Josh_Fine]

Josh Fine is posting on the Avengers thread, awesome! Josh were characters like the Fantastic Four always available to you when you started work on the series?

The vast majority of the Marvel Universe was available to us from the beginning for use in TV animation, including the FF and their pantheon of villains. There were only a handful of characters that were off-limits due to rights issues.

...and just to forestall the next question... for legal reasons, I can't talk about which characters those were.

[Moriarty]

as a fan of the 'classic' Avengers i just want to state how pleased i am that Vision will be showing up in season 2. :D

[Matt Hazuda]

The vast majority of the Marvel Universe was available to us from the beginning for use in TV animation, including the FF and their pantheon of villains. There were only a handful of characters that were off-limits due to rights issues.

...and just to forestall the next question... for legal reasons, I can't talk about which characters those were.Not to dwell on it, but were the "legal reasons" an embargo blocking use due to them being used elsewhere a la the old Bat-embargo back in the Justice League days when Batman-related characters were banned from use in the show?

On the flipside, if we ask, could you tell us if someone is kosher to use or just a "no comment" if you can't say or it would spoil things?

[suss2it]

The vast majority of the Marvel Universe was available to us from the beginning for use in TV animation, including the FF and their pantheon of villains. There were only a handful of characters that were off-limits due to rights issues.Good to know you guys had almost the entire Marvel arsenal at your disposal when making this show.

I remember reading in an interview that you left your post as producer to work on your writing career, so I was just wondering if you penned any episodes of season 2?

[Josh_Fine]

Not to dwell on it, but were the "legal reasons" an embargo blocking use due to them being used elsewhere a la the old Bat-embargo back in the Justice League days when Batman-related characters were banned from use in the show?

Nope.


On the flipside, if we ask, could you tell us if someone is kosher to use or just a "no comment" if you can't say or it would spoil things?

Also nope. ;)


Good to know you guys had almost the entire Marvel arsenal at your disposal when making this show.

I remember reading in an interview that you left your post as producer to work on your writing career, so I was just wondering if you penned any episodes of season 2?

I was always hands on in working with Chris to create stories for the episodes--especially the big ones--but I didn't take on the writing of any of the episodes myself. Too bad actually, I would have loved to have had the time to pen an episode or two myself.

[the greenman]

Yeah, to Josh, this is definitely one of the top five Marvel series ever! I was a skeptic, and then once I started watching I was hooked. Thanks. Keep up the good work. One question, and I'm sure it's been asked and answered before. Will this be a self-contained series, or will we see spinoffs and continuity at some point?

[Avengers]

Alright I have a question for Mr. Fine which I know can not be answered so I will shroud it in ambiguity to get a hint, I know that a majority of villain choices have been influenced by the avenger member's own rouges, since Doom is going to be appearing can we count on other hero's rouges (lets say spidey as a non specific example:D) to be appearing?

[Josh_Fine]

Yeah, to Josh, this is definitely one of the top five Marvel series ever! I was a skeptic, and then once I started watching I was hooked. Thanks. Keep up the good work. One question, and I'm sure it's been asked and answered before. Will this be a self-contained series, or will we see spinoffs and continuity at some point?

Thanks! Not sure about spin-offs. At the time when I left Marvel, there were no plans for any spin-offs. A third season was also still undecided. As Marvel TV seemed to announce most of their projects in development at SDCC this past weekend, I don't think it's likely that you'd see any direct spin-offs in the immediate future.


Alright I have a question for Mr. Fine which I know can not be answered so I will shroud it in ambiguity to get a hint, I know that a majority of villain choices have been influenced by the avenger member's own rouges, since Doom is going to be appearing can we count on other hero's rouges (lets say spidey as a non specific example:D) to be appearing?

Doom and Ronan the Accuser have both been previewed. Outside of that I will tell you that two other major FF villains appear next season--one of whom you should easily be able to guess at. But no, I'm not going to say anything about any other heroes' rogues. Because that would be telling :)

[kaine23]

great job on season 1 of Avengers! This is now my favorite Marvel animated show!

[Sockie]

Hoping one of those two major FF villains is Annihilus. ;)

[Medinnus]

Hoping one of those two major FF villains is Annihilus. ;)

Given that 42 prison is an incursion into the Negative Zone, I'd say that's a pretty fair guess! :D

[Mad Hatter]

I'm hoping for Annihilus,too. The other "easy to guess" villain is probably Paibok, AKA Super-Skrull. Sweet.

Oh, and Mr. Fine, this show is WITHOUT ANY DOUBT one of the best Marvel series I've seen with a long time. In my opinion, the only one equal to it is/was The Spectacular Spider-Man. And if you keep going this way, this show might completely surpass SSM in my mind. Honestly, it may already have done that.

[Sockie]

I'm hoping for Annihilus,too. The other "easy to guess" villain is probably Paibok, AKA Super-Skrull. Sweet.


Paibok and Super Skrull are two different characters, not one guy.

[Venom Melendez]

Paibok and Super Skrull are two different characters, not one guy.

Palibok is the Power Skrull and Kl'rt is the Super-Skrull.


But yeah, i'm guessing one of them will be Super Skrull.

[Mad Hatter]

Paibok and Super Skrull are two different characters, not one guy.
Gah. I always make that mistake. But who knows? Maybe Paibok will show up too.

[U-Foe]

This and The Walking Dead were the two best shows on TV. Can't wait for season 2 of both to start!!

Josh, I know you can't answer questions about specific characters showing up......so I'll just ask something very vague....hmmm.....by chance will there be any female magic users whom happen to, you know, like to wear the color scarlet? lol :D

[Venom Melendez]

This and The Walking Dead were the two best shows on TV. Can't wait for season 2 of both to start!!

Josh, I know you can't answer questions about specific characters showing up......so I'll just ask something very vague....hmmm.....by chance will there be any female magic users whom happen to, you know, like to wear the color scarlet? lol :D

He's been asked this before though. I don't think he can confirm or deny.

[TheVileOne]

As for Cap's shield, it is likely he will get the energy shield he has had in previous incarnations. It was also animated previously in Next Avengers. Wasn't the energy shield previewed on the season 2 special features on the Avengers DVD releases?

[Rick Jones]

As for Cap's shield, it is likely he will get the energy shield he has had in previous incarnations. It was also animated previously in Next Avengers. Wasn't the energy shield previewed on the season 2 special features on the Avengers DVD releases?We saw the wrist device but they never show the psionic shield itself.

[TheVileOne]

At some point, Cap Prime will come back and they will probably figure out a way to repair his original shield. Since that has happened before in the comics as well. Early in the Heroes Return run, Cap lost his famous shield and went with a replica of his original one and then for a while his energy shield. Eventually his old shield was salvaged but badly damaged, but it was restored in a rather . . . weird, ridiculous, and contrived way.

[Avengers]

Awwww, I was hoping Mr. Fine would give hints to any spidey villains, although I knew he could not so no big deal, although kingpin was mentioned but thats more dare devil, I will keep hope that a spidey rouge will turn up though

[the greenman]

Awwww, I was hoping Mr. Fine would give hints to any spidey villains, although I knew he could not so no big deal, although kingpin was mentioned but thats more dare devil, I will keep hope that a spidey rouge will turn up though When was Kingpin mentioned? If so, that could prove interesting. I always thought the Spec Spidey crew had to use Tombstone in lieu of Kingpin for rights issues. Still worked out though.

[M.O.D.O.K.]

When was Kingpin mentioned? If so, that could prove interesting. I always thought the Spec Spidey crew had to use Tombstone in lieu of Kingpin for rights issues. Still worked out though.

In one of the Hydra episodes, where he is referred by Grim Reaper as the "fat man", alongside other crime lords. Though that could also be the Slug, another obese crime lord. :p

For a more explicit Spidey reference, there's Hawkeye's mention of Hypno-Hustler, a D-list Spidey villain.

[Venom Melendez]

When was Kingpin mentioned? ..


"Widow's Sting".

We also saw Purple Man in Breakout, so they probably can use Daredevil villains.

[the greenman]

"Widow's Sting". We also saw Purple Man in Breakout, so they probably can use Daredevil villains. Ok, I remember that, and I took that as ribbing on M.O.D.O.K., idk. For Josh, can you shed some light on Hulk's background in this. Is Betty Ross alive or dead? Also, I noticed a possible shout out to Red Queen in "Hulk vs The World", I know you can't mention future stuff, but there were alot of Red Queens in the Marvel U, if this is a shout out, to who is it to?

[Capt. Speedbump]

When was Kingpin mentioned? If so, that could prove interesting. I always thought the Spec Spidey crew had to use Tombstone in lieu of Kingpin for rights issues. Still worked out though.

They did, because (as far as I know) Sony had the rights to Spider-Man and characters associated with Spider-Man, and Kingpin was considered a "Daredevil" character (despite appearing in Spidey's book first, being the central baddie in the previous Spider-Man animated series from the mid-90s, etc.). My guess is that Kingpin offically entered Daredevil's domain with the 2003 movie.

As Venom Melendez pointed out, Purple Man had a brief cameo, so it appears likely Daredevil characters are fair game; and since Sony gave up the Spider-Man animated rights, it may not even be a factor anymore anyway,

But, as M.O.D.O.K. pointed out, we're pretty much only guessing that "the fat man" is referring to the Kingpin, and we don't know for sure. The Slug is a crimelord that debued in Cap's comic, so you never know...

Cripes, when is Season 2 gonna start, anyway!?!?!?

[Josh_Fine]

Ok, I remember that, and I took that as ribbing on M.O.D.O.K., idk. For Josh, can you shed some light on Hulk's background in this. Is Betty Ross alive or dead? Also, I noticed a possible shout out to Red Queen in "Hulk vs The World", I know you can't mention future stuff, but there were alot of Red Queens in the Marvel U, if this is a shout out, to who is it to?

We loosely considered The Incredible Hulk live action film to be Hulk's background for the series, with the stipulation that the final Banner scene in that movie is what gets us to the current Hulk / Banner relationship and more intelligent incarnation of the Hulk. That being said, the Banner / Betty relationship remains as it was at the end of that movie.

The main reason why Betty hasn't shown up in any episodes is that from the start of the series, we were much more concerned with turning the HULK into a developed character in his own right. I felt that exploring the relationship between Hulk and Banner offered up fresher, less-often explored storytelling territory than the Betty / Banner relationship. The Betty / Bruce story has been oft adapted and is honestly somewhat one-note: he turns into a monster, she loves him anyway.

While working on Planet Hulk, I really came to appreciate the value (both in terms of emotional depth and in terms of storytelling possibilities) of allowing Hulk to play the protagonist. Over time Hulk has increasingly been pigeon-holed into being Banner's hated curse, which in itself creates this frustrating inner tension within Hulk stories. You would have the protagonist, Banner, hating the Hulk and desperately trying to find a cure for him. Meanwhile the audience, while attempting to sympathize with Banner, is hoping that he never actually succeeds--because the Hulk is actually the fun part to watch.

By taking the character(s) down the path we have in Earth's Mightiest Heroes the goal was to free both of them of some of that baggage and turn them BOTH into protagonists that you could get behind and root for.

[Venom Melendez]

We loosely considered The Incredible Hulk live action film to be Hulk's background for the series, with the stipulation that the final Banner scene in that movie is what gets us to the current Hulk / Banner relationship and more intelligent incarnation of the Hulk. That being said, the Banner / Betty relationship remains as it was at the end of that movie.The main reason why Betty hasn't shown up in any episodes is that from the start of the series, we were much more concerned with turning the HULK into a developed character in his own right. I felt that exploring the relationship between Hulk and Banner offered up fresher, less-often explored storytelling territory than the Betty / Banner relationship. The Betty / Bruce story has been oft adapted and is honestly somewhat one-note: he turns into a monster, she loves him anyway.While working on Planet Hulk, I really came to appreciate the value (both in terms of emotional depth and in terms of storytelling possibilities) of allowing Hulk to play the protagonist. Over time Hulk has increasingly been pigeon-holed into being Banner's hated curse, which in itself creates this frustrating inner tension within Hulk stories. You would have the protagonist, Banner, hating the Hulk and desperately trying to find a cure for him. Meanwhile the audience, while attempting to sympathize with Banner, is hoping that he never actually succeeds--because the Hulk is actually the fun part to watch.By taking the character(s) down the path we have in Earth's Mightiest Heroes the goal was to free both of them of some of that baggage and turn them BOTH into protagonists that you could get behind and root for. Yes, kinda like the current Incredible Hulk series by Greg Pak. On that note, will we get to see more of Banner in season 2?I would actually like to see the others interact with Bruce, since Hawkeye is the only one to have done so so far.

[TheVileOne]

Don't forget Doc Samson and Absorbing Man ;) .

I think Hulk's character in the series has been a breath of fresh air. It shows the value of the Hulk as a character and how much fun it can be putting a character like the Hulk in a team setting. One of my favorite moments in the first season is Captain America talking to the Hulk and the two showing each other respect. To me moments like that just perfectly capture both characters. And this shows that Hulk can be more than just a one-note, smash everything in sight force of nature.

[the greenman]

We loosely considered The Incredible Hulk live action film to be Hulk's background for the series, with the stipulation that the final Banner scene in that movie is what gets us to the current Hulk / Banner relationship and more intelligent incarnation of the Hulk. That being said, the Banner / Betty relationship remains as it was at the end of that movie.The main reason why Betty hasn't shown up in any episodes is that from the start of the series, we were much more concerned with turning the HULK into a developed character in his own right. I felt that exploring the relationship between Hulk and Banner offered up fresher, less-often explored storytelling territory than the Betty / Banner relationship. The Betty / Bruce story has been oft adapted and is honestly somewhat one-note: he turns into a monster, she loves him anyway.While working on Planet Hulk, I really came to appreciate the value (both in terms of emotional depth and in terms of storytelling possibilities) of allowing Hulk to play the protagonist. Over time Hulk has increasingly been pigeon-holed into being Banner's hated curse, which in itself creates this frustrating inner tension within Hulk stories. You would have the protagonist, Banner, hating the Hulk and desperately trying to find a cure for him. Meanwhile the audience, while attempting to sympathize with Banner, is hoping that he never actually succeeds--because the Hulk is actually the fun part to watch.By taking the character(s) down the path we have in Earth's Mightiest Heroes the goal was to free both of them of some of that baggage and turn them BOTH into protagonists that you could get behind and root for. Thank you for the response, I'm a big fan of the Hulk, so I don't really have one preference over another. I do love him in this show though. Hoping for a Defenders, man.

[Medinnus]

The Adaptoid, from the comic LS:

http://www.medinnus.com/AEMH/images/microheroes/adaptoid_AEMH_01.png

[Josh_Fine]

Yes, kinda like the current Incredible Hulk series by Greg Pak. On that note, will we get to see more of Banner in season 2?I would actually like to see the others interact with Bruce, since Hawkeye is the only one to have done so so far.

You have not seen the last of Banner.

[Medinnus]

You have not seen the last of Banner.

"Nobody expects the Banner Inquisition!"

[Mad Hatter]

"Nobody expects the Banner Inquisition!"

Medinnus...you just made my day with that. Now...FETCH...THE COMFY CHAIR!!!

[Avengers]

At some point, Cap Prime will come back and they will probably figure out a way to repair his original shield. Since that has happened before in the comics as well. Early in the Heroes Return run, Cap lost his famous shield and went with a replica of his original one and then for a while his energy shield. Eventually his old shield was salvaged but badly damaged, but it was restored in a rather . . . weird, ridiculous, and contrived way.

In regards to that, I think Ultron (who scans Cap's shield in Ultron 5) will make a body out of that metal and Tony or ant man will figure it out and after they beet him they will salvage the scrap and Cap's original shards to make a new shield, thats my guess

[Medinnus]

In regards to that, I think Ultron (who scans Cap's shield in Ultron 5) will make a body out of that metal and Tony or ant man will figure it out and after they beet him they will salvage the scrap and Cap's original shards to make a new shield, thats my guess

Well, the more traditional route is that Tony Stark examines the crystalline structure, and determines that the escaped Master of Sound, Klaw, can be tricked into using his sonic abilities to cause the vibranium steel alloy to resonate into an assembled whole. :D

[Avengers]

Well, the more traditional route is that Tony Stark examines the crystalline structure, and determines that the escaped Master of Sound, Klaw, can be tricked into using his sonic abilities to cause the vibranium steel alloy to resonate into an assembled whole. :D

Oh, that works to, personally I do not understand why Tony does not just get a torch and meld it back to one piece, but I am no scientist so go figure

[the greenman]

Wait, I thought Black Panther had a role in designing Cap's shield?

[Medinnus]

Wait, I thought Black Panther had a role in designing Cap's shield?

There have been several stories in the Black Panther comics tying Cap and his round Shield to visits of Cap to Wakanda, where he aids T'challa's father, T'Chalka, against Rommel's Afrika Corps, but so much of the Black Panther canon after Priest was invalidated by the hack writer that followed, who can say. Since Cap had no apparent recognition of the sacred panther garb or a reaction to Wakanda, I suspect that whatever the story, Winghead didn't visit Wakanda during WWII.

[macattack]

You have not seen the last of Banner.

Thank you. I like Banner a lot so I'm glad we're going to see him again.

I have two questions:

1.Will we see any of Hulk's supporting characters or rogues in season 2 besides Doc Samson? Obviously I'm not looking for specifics, but as a Hulk fan I do like his supporting characters and rogues gallery and would like to see them again (and see new ones!).

2. Why haven't the Hulkbusters taken the Avengers to task for sheltering their most hated enemy? I was expecting General Ross to besiege the Avengers all first season and was surprised that never happened.

You provided a really detailed answer on why you went the direction you did with the Hulk. I can see why you did it that way. I do think the first season of the 90's Hulk toon did do the fugitive Banner/curing Hulk angle really well, though, so I think it can be done well in a kid's cartoon. But I understand why you and the rest of the staff went in the direction you did.

As for the "Naruto" angle that was mentioned some posts ago, Naruto is a special case. Naruto and its sequel series "Naruto: Shippuden" pays as much as a pre-lay Western cartoon for voice actors and staff. That's why a lot of pre-lay voice actors like Colleen O'Slaughnessey, Jennifer Hale, Fred Tatasciore, Ben Diskin, Daran Norris, and even Nolan North have been or currently are involved in Naruto and/or Naruto Shippuden. Though, as Josh Fine says, anime does make a good proving ground for action and dramatic scenes because anime is chock-full of them, more so than a lot of American cartoons.

[TheVileOne]

Well, the more traditional route is that Tony Stark examines the crystalline structure, and determines that the escaped Master of Sound, Klaw, can be tricked into using his sonic abilities to cause the vibranium steel alloy to resonate into an assembled whole. :D

I think an easy way to do it is just to have Reed Richards come up with some sort clever super glue.

[Medinnus]

I think an easy way to do it is just to have Reed Richards come up with some sort clever super glue.

May I have a cameo of Paste Pot Pete then? :D

[Capt. Speedbump]

1.Will we see any of Hulk's supporting characters or rogues in season 2 besides Doc Samson? Obviously I'm not looking for specifics, but as a Hulk fan I do like his supporting characters and rogues gallery and would like to see them again (and see new ones!).

2. Why haven't the Hulkbusters taken the Avengers to task for sheltering their most hated enemy? I was expecting General Ross to besiege the Avengers all first season and was surprised that never happened.


Well, assuming he broke out, Madman would still be out there...

I couldn't guess on supporting characters, but I am guessing that all Hulk foes that were recaptured (and any other breakout recaptures) probably won't be back, at least for the second season. Of course I could be wrong...

I'm also guessing that SHIELD may have been supressing the Hulkbusters and General Ross, at least while Fury was around. But with Hill in charge, the Avengers (not just the Hulk) are getting it pretty good from SHIELD itself.

Actually, thinking back to Gamma World Part 2, I seem to recall after the Wrecking Crew were captured, they must have escaped (that scene where they found Thor's hammer). Were they ever recaptured, or are they still on the loose?

[Josh_Fine]

Thank you. I like Banner a lot so I'm glad we're going to see him again.

I have two questions:

1.Will we see any of Hulk's supporting characters or rogues in season 2 besides Doc Samson? Obviously I'm not looking for specifics, but as a Hulk fan I do like his supporting characters and rogues gallery and would like to see them again (and see new ones!).

Yes. Commence speculation.


2. Why haven't the Hulkbusters taken the Avengers to task for sheltering their most hated enemy? I was expecting General Ross to besiege the Avengers all first season and was surprised that never happened.


I'm also guessing that SHIELD may have been supressing the Hulkbusters and General Ross, at least while Fury was around. But with Hill in charge, the Avengers (not just the Hulk) are getting it pretty good from SHIELD itself.

This.


Actually, thinking back to Gamma World Part 2, I seem to recall after the Wrecking Crew were captured, they must have escaped (that scene where they found Thor's hammer). Were they ever recaptured, or are they still on the loose?

You are correct. The Wrecking Crew remains at large.

[Venom Melendez]

Y


You are correct. The Wrecking Crew remains at large.


Would that be true for the U-Foes as well? Since the SHIELD agents transformed before they could take them to prison.

[Josh_Fine]

Would that be true for the U-Foes as well? Since the SHIELD agents transformed before the could take them to prison.

Yes.

[Avengers]

Mr. Fine I just found out that Loki's punishment at the end of season 1 is from actual norse mythos, is that also in the comics or did you guys look it up, both would be cool throw backs I just think it is awesome if you guys actually looked up Norse mythology (Thats dedication:D) and since he is meant to stay there till raganorock, I will not ask if that will be included but I will ask if Loki gets out.......;)

[Sockie]

Mr. Fine, in the tie-in miniseries, Batroc's Brigade included Zaran, Machete, and Fixer. We know Batroc was one, but were these three also escapees?

[TheVileOne]

Since Josh is here, I do have a season 1 question :) .

Josh something that's been bugging me about season 1 and I'm not sure if this was ever clarified, was the chopper pilot in the Hulkbusters with the shades and the cowboy hat meant to be Wild Bill from GI Joe? Or is he inspired by that character? Or is there actually a Marvel Comics character like this? Basically who was the Hulkbusters chopper pilot?

[macattack]

Yes. Commence speculation.

This.


Thank you very much! I'll commence speculation when the season 2 airdate is announced. :D Also thank you for explaining why the Hulkbusters haven't done anything to the Avengers yet.

[Josh_Fine]

Mr. Fine I just found out that Loki's punishment at the end of season 1 is from actual norse mythos, is that also in the comics or did you guys look it up, both would be cool throw backs I just think it is awesome if you guys actually looked up Norse mythology (Thats dedication:D) and since he is meant to stay there till raganorock, I will not ask if that will be included but I will ask if Loki gets out.......;)

Chris and I both did a fair amount of Norse mythology research heading into the finale. Most of my reading focused on the geography, interconnection, and inhabitants of each of the nine realms. Loki's punishment was something that Chris found and we both thought it sounded like a fittingly horrible fate for our Season 1 biggest bad.

I'm not sure if that punishment has ever been used or made reference to in the comics--I believe it has not, but I'm sure a fan somewhere could prove me wrong. We have a nice book-end of Loki punishments from the books and mythology in the series though, as his original exile to the Isle of Silence actually comes from Avengers #1.


Mr. Fine, in the tie-in miniseries, Batroc's Brigade included Zaran, Machete, and Fixer. We know Batroc was one, but were these three also escapees?

This would be a great question to pose to Chris Yost as I actually wasn't involved with the tie-in miniseries. We did chat briefly about it and if memory serves, all three were meant to be Breakout villains.


Since Josh is here, I do have a season 1 question :) .

Josh something that's been bugging me about season 1 and I'm not sure if this was ever clarified, was the chopper pilot in the Hulkbusters with the shades and the cowboy hat meant to be Wild Bill from GI Joe? Or is he inspired by that character? Or is there actually a Marvel Comics character like this? Basically who was the Hulkbusters chopper pilot?

Who? :p

[Rick Jones]

Do you know who was the big Predator fan on the staff ? I love what you guys did with The Man In The Ant Hill.

[BigEclipse]

Since Josh is here, I do have a season 1 question :) .

Josh something that's been bugging me about season 1 and I'm not sure if this was ever clarified, was the chopper pilot in the Hulkbusters with the shades and the cowboy hat meant to be Wild Bill from GI Joe? Or is he inspired by that character? Or is there actually a Marvel Comics character like this? Basically who was the Hulkbusters chopper pilot?

People always seem to miss the "Stalker" cameo inside Ross' armored assault vehicle. A brother can't seem to get no love these days...

[Medinnus]

This would be a great question to pose to Chris Yost as I actually wasn't involved with the tie-in miniseries. We did chat briefly about it and if memory serves, all three were meant to be Breakout villains.

And in fact, I did just that! Mr. Yost's answer:

"It's not in the book or show clearly stated, but I'm going to say yes, that they were."

[babykhris]

Mr. Fine since Marvel Animation didn't do many animated features what would you have liked to have done?

Ultimate Avengers 3?
Next Avengers?
Avengers EMH feature?
Something new?

[Capt. Speedbump]

Avengers: Earths Mightiest Heroes marathon this Friday night on Disney XD! According to this schedule:

http://www.locatetv.com/listings/disney-xd#05-Aug-2011 (click on FRI 5)

Five episodes from 7-9:30, featuring the last five of Season 1 (the Ultron two-parter and the Asgardian 3-part finale)!

[Josh_Fine]

Do you know who was the big Predator fan on the staff ? I love what you guys did with The Man In The Ant Hill.


People always seem to miss the "Stalker" cameo inside Ross' armored assault vehicle. A brother can't seem to get no love these days...

Any similarity to persons real or fictitious is purely coincidental.


Mr. Fine since Marvel Animation didn't do many animated features what would you have liked to have done?

Ultimate Avengers 3?
Next Avengers?
Avengers EMH feature?
Something new?

To keep this question on topic for the thread, I'll start with an Avengers EMH feature--something I thought about quite a bit, that I think could have been pretty cool.

Also high on the list would be sequels to Next Avengers and Tales of Asgard--the other creators and I (Gary Hartle, Chris Yost, Craig Kyle on NA and Gary, Craig, and Greg Johnson on ToA) spent a lot of time talking about where those stories might go.

Outside of those, Craig and I always loved Rocket Raccoon and thought we could have made an awesome RR movie (possibly with Groot.) A full-on Guardians of the Galaxy feature would have been a step behind that. (As previewed, the Guardians do get to show up in Avengers--which was a joyous occasion for me.)

For a long time, I also wanted to try my hand at doing a Blade animated feature. I'm very excited to see how the Blade anime turns out, because I think animation is potentially the perfect medium to showcase that character and his universe.

At the very top of my list though is a character that we unfortunately never had the rights to do anything with in animation. And so I can't tell you who it would be, but I've seen the sentiment echoed by many other fans. :evil:

[U-Foe]

Hey Josh, two quick questions:

1. Given how long it would take to write, draw and voice the episodes, how soon would Marvel have to greenlight the third season if they were shooting for a fall 2012 premier?

2. After reading the article with Jeph loeb changing the final 10 episodes to standalones I have to ask how badly that affected what you and Chris had set up? I find it hard to belive that the season 2 finale will be standalone rather than a 2 or 3 parter like most season finales. Will the last few episodes not connect in any way?

[BigEclipse]

Since Mr. Fine is so gracious to answer our questions, I will break with my intepidation and ask if the Hulk we saw in "Planet Hulk" akin to the one in A:EMH? It doesn't seem without reason why it couldn't be the same Hulk, but just a bit down the road. They have similar personalities, and of course are voiced by the talented Fred Tatasciore. In any event, both versions are my absolute favorite animated incarnations of the character.

[Josh_Fine]

Hey Josh, two quick questions:

1. Given how long it would take to write, draw and voice the episodes, how soon would Marvel have to greenlight the third season if they were shooting for a fall 2012 premier?

Well... I can't really speak for the inner-workings of Marvel Animation anymore, because I'm not there.

But in terms of how long it's taken me in the past... probably about 6 months ago. A lot of folks would say that a season could be ready to go, start to finish in about 12 months, but in my experience it's always been closer to 18 at the fastest (this is specific to hand-drawn, team, action shows. CG takes longer, comedy is usually quicker, smaller-cast shows are sometimes a bit faster than team shows.)

Even if you rush to get the first episode or two done in a year, you'll often times run out of episodes early in the season and be stuck on hiatus until the next batch is ready. Plus, in addition to the production itself, the broadcaster typically needs a few months to program the show and put together marketing plans for the season launch.


2. After reading the article with Jeph loeb changing the final 10 episodes to standalones I have to ask how badly that affected what you and Chris had set up? I find it hard to belive that the season 2 finale will be standalone rather than a 2 or 3 parter like most season finales. Will the last few episodes not connect in any way?

This is mostly watch and find out. Some of the episodes near the end of the season were written out of order and therefore adhered to our original plan. But yes, some eps in the last half of the season did change from the original road map that Chris and I had laid out when we started season 2. At the end of the day, you all are the ultimate judges of what worked and what didn't. So I'll be reading to find out what you think!


Since Mr. Fine is so gracious to answer our questions, I will break with my intepidation and ask if the Hulk we saw in "Planet Hulk" akin to the one in A:EMH? It doesn't seem without reason why it couldn't be the same Hulk, but just a bit down the road. They have similar personalities, and of course are voiced by the talented Fred Tatasciore. In any event, both versions are my absolute favorite animated incarnations of the character.

I'm glad to hear it! This is a great question and one I'm glad you asked. You should ask me it again after you've seen season 2 and I'll be able to give you a better answer. For now I will say that, obviously the most noticeable difference is that the voice actors between the two are different. But working on Planet Hulk definitely influenced how I wanted Hulk to come across in AEMH.

[Avengers]

I'm glad to hear it! This is a great question and one I'm glad you asked. You should ask me it again after you've seen season 2 and I'll be able to give you a better answer. For now I will say that, obviously the most noticeable difference is that the voice actors between the two are different. But working on Planet Hulk definitely influenced how I wanted Hulk to come across in AEMH.

WHy that almost sounds like their will be a planet hulk esk event or episode ;)

[the greenman]

WHy that almost sounds like their will be a planet hulk esk event or episode ;) It wouldn't surprise me. How many animated series have had a gladiator style episode. Though, I hope it means we see ole Beta Ray Bill.

[suss2it]

It wouldn't surprise me. How many animated series have had a gladiator style episode. Though, I hope it means we see ole Beta Ray Bill.

I think it's more likely that we'd see Silver Surfer, since it's my understanding that it was him who played BRB's role in the comics.

[the greenman]

I think it's more likely that we'd see Silver Surfer, since it's my understanding that it was him who played BRB's role in the comics. If that's the case, they may as well do a Defenders ep if they can get Doc Strange and Namor.

[macattack]

I'm glad to hear it! This is a great question and one I'm glad you asked. You should ask me it again after you've seen season 2 and I'll be able to give you a better answer. For now I will say that, obviously the most noticeable difference is that the voice actors between the two are different. But working on Planet Hulk definitely influenced how I wanted Hulk to come across in AEMH.

. . . This sounds intriguing. Thank you for this nugget.

Two more questions and then I'll let you go, I promise.

1. Will there be more female characters introduced in the series as either regulars or guest stars other than who's already been revealed? I like superwomen just as much as supermen and am looking forward to Ms. Marvel appearing. :D

2. Will Joelle Sellner return to write an episode or two? I really like the episode she wrote in the first season, "459", so I'd be overjoyed if she came back.

Thank you again for answering my previous two questions.

[Capt. Speedbump]

Marvel.com has episode 20, The Casket of Ancient Winters on their site!

http://marvel.com/videos/watch/1958/the_avengers_emh_2010_season_1-_ep_20

Perhaps the rest will come to the site soon? :D

[TheVileOne]

Rick Wasserman actually voiced Hulk in Planet Hulk, not Fred Tatasciore ;) .

[Aaron]

This discussion has been amazing!
And these discussions as a whole have been quite incredible, as well as informative.

I wonder....
including plot details, character renders, and everything else we've discussed, just how much information we've actually acquired.

I bet it's a lot.

[Avengers]

If Mr. Fine is willing to answer another question I was wondering if you could tell us why exactly enchantres attacked grey gargoyle and if he is dead or in her bag of tricks for later use

[Josh_Fine]

. . . This sounds intriguing. Thank you for this nugget.

Two more questions and then I'll let you go, I promise.

1. Will there be more female characters introduced in the series as either regulars or guest stars other than who's already been revealed? I like superwomen just as much as supermen and am looking forward to Ms. Marvel appearing. :D

Yes, but I won't say who or how many.


2. Will Joelle Sellner return to write an episode or two? I really like the episode she wrote in the first season, "459", so I'd be overjoyed if she came back.

Joelle did a really nice job with that episode and I like her writing too. She doesn't have any season 2 episodes, only because I believe we used fewer writers over the course of the season. Chris always ends up doing a huge amount of heavy lifting on all of the scripts to assure that they stay true to the rest of the series. For season 2 he just ended up tackling more of the scripts himself from the very beginning.


Thank you again for answering my previous two questions.

My pleasure.


If Mr. Fine is willing to answer another question

He is.


I was wondering if you could tell us why exactly enchantres attacked grey gargoyle and if he is dead or in her bag of tricks for later use

It was simply a loose end for her. Thor's and Zemo's intuition was correct--Amora would have ultimately betrayed Zemo and the rest of the Masters, denying them what they had been promised by Loki. She had the opportunity to stick a knife in one of their backs (well... an axe anyway) once he had fulfilled his usefulness, so she took it. She probably assumed that after she finished betraying Zemo, at least some of the other Masters would have held a grudge against her, so she might as well start dealing with them now.

As for his status... it's the Marvel Universe. How dead is dead anyway?

[U-Foe]

Thanks for all the answers Josh, very cool of you.


Do you have a particular episode from season one that stands out as your favorite?

Also wondering what your favorite Avengers storylines from the comics are?

[Medinnus]

As for his status... it's the Marvel Universe. How dead is dead anyway?

"He's only mostly dead" - Miracle Max

[math56]

Firt I would like to say that I am a great fan of your work and I´m glad that you´re a part of this series. I also have some questions to you, if I may.

1-We´ve seen Pepper and Rhodey, Jane and the Asgardians, The Howling Commandos, do you think we may see some of Hulk suporting characters in the series? Specally characters like Betty Ross.

2-Will we see War Machine this season, because he appears in the comics but Rhodey didn´t appear at all in the series after 'Iron Man Is Born'?

[Capt. Speedbump]

1-We´ve seen Pepper and Rhodey, Jane and the Asgardians, The Howling Commandos, do you think we may see some of Hulk suporting characters in the series? Specally characters like Betty Ross.


He's already previously answered that we'd see some Hulk characters next season (see page 9), though whether this meant supporting characters, villians, or a combination thereof, he did not go any further. Remember, he does want to keep some surprises for Season 2!

[Josh_Fine]

Thanks for all the answers Josh, very cool of you.


Do you have a particular episode from season one that stands out as your favorite?

Also wondering what your favorite Avengers storylines from the comics are?

Very tough question... I would hesitantly say Gamma World Part 2, but Widow's Sting, the entire Kang Saga (esp. The Man Who Stole Tomorrow), both Ultron eps (esp. Ultron Imperative), Breakout, and the Season finale (esp. This Hostage Earth) are all close behind it. Not to mention the micro-episodes, which in and of themselves I'm very fond of.


Firt I would like to say that I am a great fan of your work and I´m glad that you´re a part of this series. I also have some questions to you, if I may.

Thanks!


1-We´ve seen Pepper and Rhodey, Jane and the Asgardians, The Howling Commandos, do you think we may see some of Hulk suporting characters in the series? Specally characters like Betty Ross.


He's already previously answered that we'd see some Hulk characters next season (see page 9), though whether this meant supporting characters, villians, or a combination thereof, he did not go any further. Remember, he does want to keep some surprises for Season 2!

Yes, as Capt. Speedbump mentions you'll see more of Hulk's supporting cast--though I'll refrain from telling you whom you'll be seeing just yet.


2-Will we see War Machine this season, because he appears in the comics but Rhodey didn´t appear at all in the series after 'Iron Man Is Born'?

This falls into the realm of "you'll have to watch to find out!" One of the main reasons I don't usually comment on who you'll be seeing next season is that--aside from a general desire to leave some surprises for you guys to enjoy when the season starts--previewing characters is one of the best ways at Marvel's and DXD's disposal to create some buzz and excitement near the airing of an episode. I have to leave something for the trailers and TV spots to show off!

[Medinnus]

Very tough question... I would hesitantly say Gamma World Part 2, but Widow's Sting, the entire Kang Saga (esp. The Man Who Stole Tomorrow), both Ultron eps (esp. Ultron Imperative), Breakout, and the Season finale (esp. This Hostage Earth) are all close behind it. Not to mention the micro-episodes, which in and of themselves I'm very fond of.

Next time we should ask Josh which episodes aren't his favorites. Shorter list... /tease.

[macattack]

Yes, but I won't say who or how many.

Joelle did a really nice job with that episode and I like her writing too. She doesn't have any season 2 episodes, only because I believe we used fewer writers over the course of the season. Chris always ends up doing a huge amount of heavy lifting on all of the scripts to assure that they stay true to the rest of the series. For season 2 he just ended up tackling more of the scripts himself from the very beginning.


I know you can't reveal who or how many, I just wanted to know if there would be more, and you answered that. Thank you very much, I'm looking forward to it

That's a shame, but I hope you hire her on any future endeavors you have, sir. :D

Thank you for answering my questions! It's really kind of you to answer them.

[supergirl's pal]

Hello Mr. Fine,

Thank you for everything you and everyone else involved for making Avengers a really fun and enjoyable show.

Wasp is my favorite character in the series, so my question to you is what influences from the comics or elsewhere helped mold and shape the type of character that she is portrayed in the show? (ie, personality, costume design).

[Kumori MC]

Hello, folks.

I'm new to the forums, so I'll make this my introductory post.

The name's Ivan, I'm a fan of anything Marvel/DC that's animated or live-action, and I've been into comics since I was five years old.

Manga and anime are also my forte.

Now, not to skip the topic, Avengers-wise, I was pleasantly surprised at what this show has evolved into. Having been a Wasp fan for a while now, the character [and the show's version of her] really got my attention and a round of kudos, despite the fact she's used as a comic relief character and is practically invisible at times. The story of the show itself is magnificent, considering how much had to be left out due to Disney's policy and BS & P, and that's saying something. I honestly hope this show has a future in the form of at least three more 26-episode seasons.

That said, I'll be lurking around these forums some more in the foreseeable future.

[Capt. Speedbump]

Hello, folks.

I'm new to the forums, so I'll make this my introductory post.

The name's Ivan, I'm a fan of anything Marvel/DC that's animated or live-action, and I've been into comics since I was five years old.

Manga and anime are also my forte.

Now, not to skip the topic, Avengers-wise, I was pleasantly surprised at what this show has evolved into. Having been a Wasp fan for a while now, the character [and the show's version of her] really got my attention and a round of kudos, despite the fact she's used as a comic relief character and is practically invisible at times. The story of the show itself is magnificent, considering how much had to be left out due to Disney's policy and BS & P, and that's saying something. I honestly hope this show has a future in the form of at least three more 26-episode seasons.

That said, I'll be lurking around these forums some more in the foreseeable future.

Hello, Ivan!

Well, we're getting "one" more 26-episode season, although all 52 episodes were announced as the series was started. Hopefully there will be more... I for one, am convinced that this is the best Marvel animated series yet, and believe it should continue for that reason alone!

If I may recommend to you Medinnus' website (click the link in any one of his forum posts), in addition to a fine A:EMH website in general, he wrote a very good editorial about the characterization of the Wasp in this series which I think you might find interesting.

Looking forward to your future posts! Or if you just feel like lurking, I'll try to make my posts worth reading! :)

[Kumori MC]

Hello, Ivan!

Well, we're getting "one" more 26-episode season, although all 52 episodes were announced as the series was started. Hopefully there will be more... I for one, am convinced that this is the best Marvel animated series yet, and believe it should continue for that reason alone!

If I may recommend to you Medinnus' website (click the link in any one of his forum posts), in addition to a fine A:EMH website in general, he wrote a very good editorial about the characterization of the Wasp in this series which I think you might find interesting.

Looking forward to your future posts! Or if you just feel like lurking, I'll try to make my posts worth reading! :)

Erm, I doubt you'd be looking forward to my posts. :P

Unlike most marvelites, my taste is specific. I'm not a fan of Captain America, find the Wolverine mania to be disturbing, more dislike than like how some modern Marvel shows are made, and can be difficult to talk to. Plus I'm not big on the Ultimate universe.

But hey, just talk normally, objectively and without fangasms to me, and we'll be cool. ^-^

[Medinnus]

http://www.medinnus.com/AEMH/images/microheroes/ronan_AEMH_01.png

Ronan the Accuser

http://www.medinnus.com/AEMH/images/microheroes/ronan_AEMH_02.png
Ronan w/ the Universal Weapon

http://www.medinnus.com/AEMH/images/microheroes/yon_rogg_AEMH_01.png
Colonel Yon Rogg

OK, that the Kree colonel is Yon Rogg is speculation, just as the Kree General is Bel-Dann, and all those folks that Ms. Marvel plows through Kree Privates; but I don't have a good reference for the Kree General or Privates. Have I mentioned I can't wait for Season Two to start???

[Avengers]

OK, that the Kree colonel is Yon Rogg is speculation, just as the Kree General is Bel-Dann, and all those folks that Ms. Marvel plows through Kree Privates; but I don't have a good reference for the Kree General or Privates. Have I mentioned I can't wait for Season Two to start???

That is really impressive:D

[Kumori MC]

"He's only mostly dead" - Miracle Max

:D

I've only just noticed this. Hehe, an excellent citation from an awesome movie, especially the whole Miracle Max bit.

"I've seen woise..." [< I nearly died laughing at that one]

[sabrewolf]

Mr. Fine, I'd just like to first thank you for taking the time to answer our questions like this and for putting such a commitment to quality in making the show.

1. What was the creative thought process that went into making Iron Man the "leader" of the Avengers in the show and, in a way, the primary protagonist?

2. Will his leadership capablities come into question more during season 2?

[macattack]

I just want an airdate. I really hope they don't make us wait all the way to 2012 for season 2. That's waiting far too long and could cripple the ratings, though I won't be surprised if they withheld some season 2 episodes for the upcoming movie. But they shouldn't withhold all of them.

Would anyone be interested in seeing Tigra? She has a long history on the Avengers, though admittedly I'd be more excited to see Quicksilver and Scarlet Witch, though EMH and WatXM aren't going to crossover so that's probably not going to happen. But Tigra would provide an interesting counterweight to Wasp and Ms. Marvel.

Debi Mae West would probably be a good choice for Tigra if she does show up. I'm still thinking a Jodi Benson/Maria Canals-Barrera combination for everybody's favorite lawyer if she shows up too. As for Falcon I'm now leaning toward Phil LaMarr.I'm sorry, but LaMarr's deep range hasn't been used yet and his more deep, serious voice is really suitable for Falcon in my opinion. I dunno who'd portray Luke Cage though. Kevin Michael Richardson might be a tad too deep.


I'd like to see more of Rhodey and Pepper Potts too. They both just kinda vanished.

[Medinnus]

I just want an airdate. I really hope they don't make us wait all the way to 2012 for season 2. That's waiting far too long and could cripple the ratings, though I won't be surprised if they withheld some season 2 episodes for the upcoming movie. But they shouldn't withhold all of them.


Well, since the Avengers movie comes out about the same time as Thor and Cap did this year, my assumption (which is not supported by anything but rumors of October that were floating around SDCC) is that they'll mirror last year, releasing them in October , and then saving the last six episodes back for the six weeks leading up to the release.



Would anyone be interested in seeing Tigra? She has a long history on the Avengers...


Greer Garson was the Cat before a mystic ritual turned her into Tigra. IIRC (and I may be wrong) the Cat exoskeleton suit was made by Brand Corporation, which is a good solid base for several Avengers and Captain America plots, so I'd love to see them introduced, but I could live with Hammer Corporation for the Iron Man plots, or even A.I.M.

Once we have Greer Garson as the Cat, she can become Tigra, and we can perhaps get the Beast in through his Brand Corp connection, and Patsy Walker as the Hellcat. Any of that would be welcome - especially if we get a multi-episode Serpent Crown storyline out of it!

What I would really dislike (even if I'm nothing but a corporate shill, right?) would be just tossing her into place already furry. I'd much rather see her created, not made a storyline fait accompli



...though admittedly I'd be more excited to see Quicksilver and Scarlet Witch, though EMH and WatXM aren't going to crossover so that's probably not going to happen.


In the comics, they're just as much Avengers characters than X-Men characters, so I hope to see them even if I don't get X-Men frothy goodness (side note - perhaps genius scientist Hank McCoy could save Wonder Man, and quote Casablanca..."Louie, I think this is the beginning of a beautiful friendship" - in the comics, Hank is a big Bogart fan!)



But Tigra would provide an interesting counterweight to Wasp and Ms. Marvel.


How so? Wasp is kind of a counterweight to Ms. Marvel as it is...



I'd like to see more of Rhodey and Pepper Potts too. They both just kinda vanished.

Seconded.

[Kumori MC]

In all honesty, I'd like to see Tigra as well, and I agree with Medinnus, she should be introduced via an origin episode.

As far as Quicksilver and Scarlet Witch are concerned, I have no doubt they'll debut at some point in the show's run, and can barely wait to see them.

Also, and this is something of a long-shot, I'd like to gaze upon some more low-tier Avengers-related heroes, like Jack of Hearts, Triathlon, and one of my personal favorites, Stingray [though I think he's an oceanographer in retirement or something, correct me if I'm wrong].

And let's not forget the best heavy hitters, namely Vision and Ms. Marvel. Okay, Carol Danvers was already introduced [and in a majestic way, might I add], all we need now is for Ultron to create our beloved synthezoid Avenger and "I can die happy" [to quote the Red Guy]. :D

And being a sucker for crossovers, it wouldn't hurt if we saw them team up with the X-men, the Fantastic Four [which, if I understood correctly, happens in the first season 2 episode], old Web-head, Daredevil, Moon Knight, Luke Cage, Iron Fist, and many, many more.

[To be frank, what would really make me happy is to see the Runaways, but that cannot be achieved as cannon to the story for millions of reasons. A shame, really.]

[W.C.Reaf]

I just want an airdate. I really hope they don't make us wait all the way to 2012 for season 2. That's waiting far too long and could cripple the ratings, though I won't be surprised if they withheld some season 2 episodes for the upcoming movie. But they shouldn't withhold all of them.

I don't see how it'll cripple the ratings. All shows have to wait awhile for a new season to start and their ratings aren't crippled. The only difference here is that we know season 2 is finished so it's waiting to find out when the network wants to air it rather than when it's completed that's killing our patience.

[macattack]

Greer Garson was the Cat before a mystic ritual turned her into Tigra. IIRC (and I may be wrong) the Cat exoskeleton suit was made by Brand Corporation, which is a good solid base for several Avengers and Captain America plots, so I'd love to see them introduced, but I could live with Hammer Corporation for the Iron Man plots, or even A.I.M.

Once we have Greer Garson as the Cat, she can become Tigra, and we can perhaps get the Beast in through his Brand Corp connection, and Patsy Walker as the Hellcat. Any of that would be welcome - especially if we get a multi-episode Serpent Crown storyline out of it!

What I would really dislike (even if I'm nothing but a corporate shill, right?) would be just tossing her into place already furry. I'd much rather see her created, not made a storyline fait accompli.

Well . . . considering the third season, if it gets made, has been described by Yost as being "the magic season", so it'll probably deal with all kinds of mysticism. While season 2, the "cosmic season", will presumably be more sci-fi-ish.

So we could see Greer Nelson (as she was originally known) as the technology-based Cat in season 2 but her becoming Tigra won't happen until season 3. That would be very cool if they built up to Tigra like that.

And yeah, I don't want to see her already-furry either. I'd like to see her as a normal human for at least part of an episode before she gets morphed. Just like Carol Danvers, who was normal for half of "459" before she got filled with Mahr-Vel's energy.

To get your wish for a Serpent Crown two-parter it's going to have to be in the first half of season 2. Remember that Loeb put the kibosh on the two-parters for season 2 part 2.

[Medinnus]

So we could see Greer Nelson (as she was originally known)...

Ooops! My penchant for talented, gorgeous redheads is showing!



To get your wish for a Serpent Crown two-parter it's going to have to be in the first half of season 2. Remember that Loeb put the kibosh on the two-parters for season 2 part 2.



Possibly the stupidest decision of which I've ever heard, and makes me think significantly less of Loeb's judgment.

(Not that he'll lose any sleep over it...)

While I'm here, I'm going to mention that Marvel Studios has given me some AEMH production artwork that I'm going to be posting on my AEMH site (http://www.medinnus.com/AEMH/). The one for this week is a beautiful rendering of the exterior of the Avengers Mansion!

[macattack]

Ooops! My penchant for talented, gorgeous redheads is showing!




Possibly the stupidest decision of which I've ever heard, and makes me think significantly less of Loeb's judgment.

(Not that he'll lose any sleep over it...)

While I'm here, I'm going to mention that Marvel Studios has given me some AEMH production artwork that I'm going to be posting on my AEMH site (http://www.medinnus.com/AEMH/). The one for this week is a beautiful rendering of the exterior of the Avengers Mansion!

Well, Tigra nowadays is known as Greer Garson so it's not like it's a mistake, you're technically right. She'll just be known as Nelson in EMH, if she shows up anyway.

People wonder why I freak out about Loeb. The ending of the multi-parters is one of the reasons why. It's frankly a dumb decision, even though the staff will probably find some way to make Loeb's order look good because they're that talented. But everything Loeb has done at Marvel has been a mitigated disaster, with the damage being repaired somewhat by having more competent writers take over Loeb's ideas and actually try to make them seem half-decent . . .

With the exception of the Ultimate Universe, anyway. It is still a shadow of its former self IMO, and I don't know if abruptly killing Peter Parker off for a new Spider-Man will apply anything more than a Band-Aid to things. Bendis has seemed lost and confused since Ultimatum in many issues and I don't know if a snap decision will help the ultimate Universe, and help the USM title, at all.

On a significantly lighter note, I do love the production artwork! The Avengers mansion looks glorious even in black and white! I'm really happy you were able to get such amazing behind-the-scenes material, it's so rare to get any of it. It's clear a ton of thought and effort just went into the exterior, I can't wait to see the interior and whatever else you were able to get. :D

[Medinnus]

Well, Tigra nowadays is known as Greer Garson so it's not like it's a mistake, you're technically right. She'll just be known as Nelson in EMH, if she shows up anyway.

Is she? Heh.

Well, I didn't know that she was - She was Greer Grant when she debuted, and now she's Greer Nelson, right?

Greer Garson (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Greer_Garson) - Yummy.


On a significantly lighter note, I do love the production artwork! The Avengers mansion looks glorious even in black and white! I'm really happy you were able to get such amazing behind-the-scenes material, it's so rare to get any of it. It's clear a ton of thought and effort just went into the exterior, I can't wait to see the interior and whatever else you were able to get. :D

Mwah hah hah! Marvel suggested I do one a week, so that I can keep some fresh stuff coming out. I was hesitant at first to actually bring my site to the attention -- the history of fan sites are replete with the burning wreckage of "Cease and Desist orders" from DC and Disney in times past and all -- , but a couple of pros (insert nice comments about Josh Fine and Chris Yost here, y'know?) from the show didn't think it would be a bad idea, so I was emboldened to reach out and ask. Marvel (and their staff) have been unreservedly helpful, and I appreciate their support!

Addendum: The fellow who took "The Cat" character and made her over into Tigra was the talented Tony Isabella, who is a supremely nice fellow. Wander over and thank him over at his Facebook page (http://www.facebook.com/tony.isabella) - and if you're local-ish to him, he's got a garage sale con running soon, to clear out a lot of his memorabilia! Unfortunately, I'm a loooong drive away...

[Venom Melendez]

In the comics, they're just as much Avengers characters than X-Men characters.



Yeah, but in tv shows, the mainly show up in X-men shows(Since they are Magneto's kids). They can't show up without Magneto showing up.




1. What was the creative thought process that went into making Iron Man the "leader" of the Avengers in the show and, in a way, the primary protagonist?



He was the first leader, that's probably why.

[Medinnus]

Yeah, but in tv shows, the mainly show up in X-men shows(Since they are Magneto's kids). They can't show up without Magneto showing up.

Sure they can - he's only an integral part of the characters in terms of the X-franchise. They could show up in the AEMH continuity still thinking Django the gypsy puppeteer is their papa, and then make a huge episode(s) later with Magneto visiting his children in a big reveal. They existed for decades before the parental retconn.

Granted, I don't know if they're restricted by the terms of the licensing, but Magneto, while primarily an X-Men villain, has acted as an Avengers villain as well, and long before the big reveal about parentage.

I'd love to see Magneto and his Savage Land mutates, or the original Brotherhood of Evil Mutants as villains.

Or like in Avengers #104, the Avengers could fight the Sentinels, and Quicksilver could be injured, introducing the Inhumans in general and the Avenger Crystal in particular, especially since we're getting megadoses of Kree and Skrull in Season Two.

Oh, what a tangled web we weave when Merry Marvel Malcontents meander through splendiferous speculation!

[Sockie]

Well . . . considering the third season, if it gets made, has been described by Yost as being "the magic season"

Fine said that, not Yost. So it might not necessarily happen if there even is a third season.

[Capt. Speedbump]

People wonder why I freak out about Loeb. The ending of the multi-parters is one of the reasons why. It's frankly a dumb decision, even though the staff will probably find some way to make Loeb's order look good because they're that talented. But everything Loeb has done at Marvel has been a mitigated disaster, with the damage being repaired somewhat by having more competent writers take over Loeb's ideas and actually try to make them seem half-decent . . .


Maybe if Mr. Fine is still answering questions...

Was it actually in fact, Loeb who made the decision to make the last 12 episodes more "standalone" (I believe the quote was)? Because from his last interview, he made it seem like the decision was made before he came on, and it just happened under his watch.

And what does "standalone" mean? To a degree, even though there were arcs, like the Kang three-parter, you could still see them as somewhat standalone (the first episode, the Avengers meet and fight Kang, the second episode focuses on the invasion of Present-day Earth, the third is the Avengers invading Kang's ship). Even if the episodes aren't multi-parter, I'm assuming they will still follow overall arcs (such as the Hydra vs. AIM/Black Widow/Cosmic Cube story progressed in non-sequential episodes).

But I guess we'll have to wait and see... even though the wait is killing me!

And what

[Avengers]

Yeah, but in tv shows, the mainly show up in X-men shows(Since they are Magneto's kids). They can't show up without Magneto showing up.

I think they can, but I would still love to see magneto on this show:D

[the greenman]

Magneto, Dr. Strange, Daredevil, and Kingpin on this show, even in minor roles would be my most wanted. Having Dr. Doom show up more than makes up for Magneto though. Doom pretty much is the arch nemesis of every single character in the MARVEL U. I can imagine since the Kree/Skrull will be appearing, and the cosmic cube has already been established, Doom is going after the "power cosmic". It's like Darkseid anti-life equation, an unsatiated obsession for ultimate power.

[Kumori MC]

Aww, my wittwe post was ignored completely. :(

Oh, and judging by the show's subtle references by the Reaper and Viper [and the Widow], a lot of potential villains may appear in the show's future, including the Kingpin ["I talked with the fat man, he won't get in our way."] I just wish they don't use the movie version and concentrate on staying true to the character.

[Also, it will be tough to top Roscoe Lee Browne in the said role. May he rest in peace.]

[suss2it]

Aww, my wittwe post was ignored completely. :(

Oh, and judging by the show's subtle references by the Reaper and Viper [and the Widow], a lot of potential villains may appear in the show's future, including the Kingpin ["I talked with the fat man, he won't get in our way."] I just wish they don't use the movie version and concentrate on staying true to the character.

[Also, it will be tough to top Roscoe Lee Browne in the said role. May he rest in peace.]How was the movie version out of character? He was a big, menacing crime boss, just like the comic-book version.

[Kumori MC]

How was the movie version out of character? He was a big, menacing crime boss, just like the comic-book version.

He was African-American [Michael Clark Duncan], more of a brute than a calculating crime lord and he was supposed to be fat and twice the size that he was in the movie.

[In our country, there is a certain politician that fits the role perfectly :p]

Also, he was defeated too damn easily. A true Kingpin would have left Daredevil in a world of hurt, or if defeated, would have avoided arrest.

[Medinnus]

He was African-American [Michael Clark Duncan], more of a brute than a calculating crime lord and he was supposed to be fat and twice the size that he was in the movie.

Let me deal with the second item first; it would be impossible to get someone 'real-sized' as the Kingpin.

Michael Clark Duncan is an exceptional actor; if he was not as in-character because of the writing, its a poor craftsman who blames their tools. If your primary objection is because he's an exceptional black actor, I find your bigotry reprehensible.

[Kumori MC]

Let me deal with the second item first; it would be impossible to get someone 'real-sized' as the Kingpin.

Michael Clark Duncan is an exceptional actor; if he was not as in-character because of the writing, its a poor craftsman who blames their tools. If your primary objection is because he's an exceptional black actor, I find your bigotry reprehensible.

It's only noted in the first place because it's the first thing someone who knows of Kingpin notices, there is absolutely no bigotry in any way. In fact, save for Fury, this is the only character that I have a problem with being reinvented as being African-American [I've already discussed this in the Ultimate Spider-man thread.] Once again, I'm neither a racist nor a bigot, just someone who is used to a certain status-quo when some comic book-related issues are involved.

Second, Mr Duncan is more than exceptional, in fact I found him positively thrilling to watch in the Green Mile. I have no qualms against him, I just find that the entire character was out-of-place and not quite fitting with the whole persona of Mr Fisk.

Third, I'll link you an image of the said politician via private messages, and you tell me if he's not the perfect Kingpin choice. :anime:

[W.C.Reaf]

Ah this conversation again.

First things first: there's nothing inherently "white" about the Kingpin's character. All he has to be a big crimelord who's incredibly muscular. He has to tower over people and that's it.


he was supposed to be fat and twice the size that he was in the movie.

Actually the "fat" is supposed to be muscle. The only ones that could look like the Kingpin in real life and fight are Sumo Wrestlers, which could end up changing his race if one was cast as him. The big problem with that is Sumo Wrestlers aren't known for their acting abilities.

Casting someone who looks like the Kingpin and can act is an impossible task, even more so just sticking to him being White. Michael Clark Duncan was the best choice because he can do big and imposing while still being a damn good actor. He doesn’t look 100% like the comic book Kingpin but it’s the best you’re going to get in real life.

[Kumori MC]

Ah this conversation again.

First things first: there's nothing inherently "white" about the Kingpin's character. All he has to be a big crimelord who's incredibly muscular. He has to tower over people and that's it.



Actually the "fat" is supposed to be muscle. The only ones that could look like the Kingpin in real life and fight are Sumo Wrestlers, which could end up changing his race if one was cast as him. The big problem with that is Sumo Wrestlers aren't known for their acting abilities.

Casting someone who looks like the Kingpin and can act is an impossible task, even more so just sticking to him being White. Michael Clark Duncan was the best choice because he can do big and imposing while still being a damn good actor. He doesn’t look 100% like the comic book Kingpin but it’s the best you’re going to get in real life.

One, yes, Kingpin's body IS mostly muscle, I apologize. But that doesn't change the fact that he looks fat.

Two, I've met non-Japanese people that look the part of Kingpin and can move about and do what he does in the comics, physical movements-wise. What's more, one of my college friends is somewhat obese, but has more stamina than half the basketball team he plays with. AND he's also a jogger, goes to the gym, etc.

And...

No, wait, you know what? I better just drop this right now. I don't want any trouble with mods or admins, and I have a feeling I might go overboard if this goes on any further.

So let's just say that I was wrong and move on with our lives.

[W.C.Reaf]

Two, I've met non-Japanese people that look the part of Kingpin and can move about and do what he does in the comics, physical movements-wise. What's more, one of my college friends is somewhat obese, but has more stamina than half the basketball team he plays with. AND he's also a jogger, goes to the gym, etc.

That doesn't invalidate the second point, can they act? More than likely not which is the big problem with Kingpin in live-action, finding someone that looks like him and can act.


So let's just say that I was wrong and move on with our lives.

I can agree to that. ;)

[the greenman]

Well, I don't want to get too off topic, but if Kingpin were to appear on film again, he should be mo-capped actor. All he has to be is digitally enhanced in size. They did the same exact thing in 300 with Xerses.

[Medinnus]

Well, I don't want to get too off topic, but if Kingpin were to appear on film again, he should be mo-capped actor. All he has to be is digitally enhanced in size. They did the same exact thing in 300 with Xerses.

Before I figued out that mo-capped meant Motion Captured, I had a really bizarre mental picture of a WWF huge fellow in a Mo/Three Stooges lifemask...

[Rick Jones]

Okay, guys. Let's keep the discussion on topic and please leave the discussion of a live-action Kingpin for another forum (http://www.toonzone.net/forums/showthread.php?222461-quot-Daredevil-quot-Reboot-Pre-Release-Discussion-(Spoilers)&). Thanks.

[Avengers]

Hello Mr. Fine, Thank you for answering all these questions on the show and kudos for doing your homework on the Norse mythos that impresses me a lot:D

I was wondering (although I am pretty sure you cannot answer this question) if Doctor Doom will be in more than one episode and if he will play a bigger role in this season's over arching story

[the greenman]

Before I figued out that mo-capped meant Motion Captured, I had a really bizarre mental picture of a WWF huge fellow in a Mo/Three Stooges lifemask...

LOL. Yikes.

As for Kingpin on this show, I really can't see how he would fit in if they got more seasons. He wasn't exactly on the industrial science level anyway, not even for arms dealing. Though he may have had his hand in the stuff, he often didn't get his hands dirty or even know what somebody under him was working on. He wasn't like Lex Luthor where he was this super genius who could be both deadly of the scientific stuff and on the intellectual front.

BTW, I forgot one other villain I would like to see, the Mandarin. However, he would have to really be built up for season three's "mystic season".

[Medinnus]

OK, I need some suggestions!

Waddya mean I suggest a baboon to you? Wassamatter you, somekinda wiseguy?

Below is my list for finishing pretty much everyone from Season One as microheroes, Who should I do first? Are there any egregious omissions?

Help me! Assembled AEMH, guide my hand!

Still to be done
============

The Constrictor
The Red Ghost and his Super-Apes
The Bi-Beast
James Rhodes
Thunderbolt Ross
WWII Arnim Zola
Gamma World Protective Uniforms
T'Challa
Tony Stark
Steve Rogers
Janet Van Dyne
Labcoat Pym
Dr. Phillip Lawson
Kang Crewmen
Kang Elite Guard
Asgardian Wolves
Iron Man Cold Armor
Iron Man Steath Armor
Iron Man Silver Centurion
Asgardian Troll
Ulik
Faraday
Eitri
Heimdall
Asgardian Guardsman
Asgardian Armor Pym
Asgardian Armor Wasp
Uru Iron Man

[Kumori MC]

OK, I need some suggestions!

Waddya mean I suggest a baboon to you? Wassamatter you, somekinda wiseguy?

Below is my list for finishing pretty much everyone from Season One as microheroes, Who should I do first? Are there any egregious omissions?

Help me! Assembled AEMH, guide by hand!

Still to be done
============

The Constrictor
The Red Ghost and his Super-Apes
The Bi-Beast
James Rhodes
Thunderbolt Ross
WWII Arnim Zola
Gamma World Protective Uniforms
T'Challa
Tony Stark
Steve Rogers
Janet Van Dyne
Labcoat Pym
Dr. Phillip Lawson
Kang Crewmen
Kang Elite Guard
Asgardian Wolves
Iron Man Cold Armor
Iron Man Steath Armor
Iron Man Silver Centurion
Asgardian Troll
Ulik
Faraday
Eitri
Heimdall
Asgardian Guardsman
Asgardian Armor Pym
Asgardian Armor Wasp
Uru Iron Man

Erm, how about Valkyrie?

[Medinnus]

Erm, how about Valkyrie?

Already done. You cna view all those that have been done over here (she's down with the Asgardians):

http://www.medinnus.com/AEMH/microheroes.html
(http://www.medinnus.com/AEMH/microheroes.html)

[Kumori MC]

Already done. You cna view all those that have been done over here (she's down with the Asgardians):

http://www.medinnus.com/AEMH/microheroes.html
(http://www.medinnus.com/AEMH/microheroes.html)

Ah, I see.

Thank you.