Bosko is Boring and Buddy is INTOLERABLE!!!

[happyheathen]

There -

I've said it and I'm glad I did.


Dave

Another Happy Heathen on the Handbasket Express

[Jack]

I've said it and I'm glad I did.
Ummm, good for you, I guess, it's, uh, nice to see people releasing their true feelings...


Jack:confused:

[Matthew Hunter]

Well....don't let Brian read that, but they can be a little boring occasionally. I wouldn't go so far as to call Buddy intolerable...what I've seen of him is plenty funny.
-Matthew

[Mibbitmaker]

Buddy is the boring one, imho. Bosko is fun to watch as far as that period goes. I think the rubber hose style worked best with the Fleischers(and probably Flip the Frog, which I haven't seen much of. I do have his cartoon where he tries to get out of mowing the lawn with a mechanical man. I taped that from Night Flight in the '80s), however.

[David Gerstein]

At last real feelings are coming out.

I enjoy Bosko cartoons a lot: they take a smart-aleck attitude to the musical cartoon format that really works. Bosko himself is a funny character who dares to do mischievous and wild stuff when he has to.
I don't think Buddy cartoons should be banned, but I do say they're dull. With a few early exceptions (notably all from the first few months of the series), they *lack* smart-aleck attitude, and Buddy is a boring straight man.
In the late 1980s, when I watched "Looney Tunes" on Nickelodeon as a teen, my family would sometimes join to watch if the second cartoon on the show (the usual bw slot) featured a Bosko or Porky cartoon. If it was Buddy, they didn't bother.
I understand the desire to see Buddy back on TV, but I wish he and Bosko weren't always classed together. Buddy isn't as worthy.

IMHO, of course.

[Sogturtle]

"HappyHeathen" Dave is entitled to his opinion, just as we all are. But it is simply another reason/version for CN/WB/Time-Warner to argue to keep the great Bosko and Buddy toons off TV and out of the videostores... If enough people started saying the same thing about any of the other classic cartoons then we would soon see them vanish from TV also. CN lives in a sublimely-paranoid world of fearing being branded that vilest epithet of all...racist, and as a result hides the Bosko's in some dank, dark dungeon. And Buddy gets chucked into the stocks for morbid paranoia that we'll think CN is (gasp) uncool or boring.

My own feelings (which may mirror other's feelings) are that the Boskos are terrific high-energy cartoons like Ising's Merrie Melodies and immensely deserve to be shown. The Buddy's by Friz are tremendously worthy of airing. The rest of the batch of Buddy excursions are by no means bad, let alone intolerable. They are gentle comedies about human characters that MAY in some strange way pave the way for Warner's human nebbish characters Egghead and Elmer J. Fudd. Iffffff the Buddy films were directed by one of the major directors then there would be tremendous pressure to air them. One thing's for certain... They beat the bejeebers out of the Myron Waldman output from Fleischer which CN for some perverse reason has taken a liking to of late. (Thank God they don't have access to the Casper cartoons!).

And one last reason to let the Bosko and Buddy's run free would be the uncredited greats that worked on them... Bill Hanna contributed songs and lyrics and gags to the Boskos. Annnd you have Freleng and Bob McKimson animating on them. And likewise the young Bob Clampett claimed to have contributed gags to some or many of the Buddy efforts... He and young Chuck Jones learned animation whilst working on them. Things to remember before sideswiping and effectively banning whole batches of cartoons

[David Gerstein]

Hey Sogturtle,

*Please* don't misinterpret me.
I didn't ask that CN not show Buddy. In fact, I wish they would.
I just don't personally care for the argument that they're every bit as good as Bosko. Now... if the question is whether they're every bit as historically interesting, I would say *yes*!

David

[Sogturtle]

David Gerstein~

Slight crossing of signals here. I evidently fail the clarity test;). I was referring to "HappyHeathen" Dave. Not you. Your comments were perfectly fine.

Tim

[Nelson]

I totally argee with David on this one, Buddy is not the character that Bosko is, but there are some Buddy cartoons that I do enjoy, while the majority of the Buddy Shorts are pretty lame in some sense.But I don't see why CN can't air the Buddy cartoons at all, and maybe Aol/Time Warner hasn't given CN the Bosko & Buddy cartoons to air on their network, at this point no one knows for sure on the reason why Bosko and Buddy have not made their apperance on LATE NIGHT BLACK & WHITE.

Maybe the people at Time Warner knows the answer:confused: :confused: :confused:

[Sveven Dvorking]

I think Bosko and Buddy are equally interesting, none is better than the other. If you dis them, they will never be shown by any means. All of them are already on video (all Bosko, all Buddy, all Beans), so I really don't care at this point if they ever get shown on Cartoon Network.

[Nelson]

Well the point of the matter is this, that a lot of people (such as myself) would like to see Bosko and Buddy on CN someday, and yes, I do have Bosko and Buddy on video, but seeing the both of them on LNB&W, would make CN the true leaders of the Warner Bros. cartoon library.So that way CN can brag all they want to, that they have the entire LT/MM cartoons in their valuts.

[Thad Komorowski]

Originally posted by Sveven Dvorking
All of them are already on video (all Bosko, all Buddy, all Beans), so I really don't care at this point if they ever get shown on Cartoon Network.

Excuse me, but I think you mean YOU have them all on video. I personally have seen all the Boskos and have them uncut on tape (except for "Bosko's Knight-Mare"), but I've yet to see HALF of the Buddy cartoons.

-Thad:D

[happyheathen]

Originally posted by Thad Komorowski


but I've yet to see HALF of the Buddy cartoons.

-Thad:D

Trust me:

if you've seen one, you've seen 'em all

(even more so than with the RR/Coyote 'toons)

[Matthew Hunter]

A majority of Bosko is in the public domain, and while not usually distributed in the tapes you see most of the time in stores, they are available through catalogs and aren't too hard to track down. Buddy, on the other hand, I don't know. I think all of the Buddy's are still under WB's copyrights, or at least a bunch are. I've seen a tape of them for sale on ebay before, but I think the seller got in trouble for it.
-Matthew
-hey, speaking of Public-Domain tapes, what is it with the cartoons "Fresh Hare" and "Yankee Doodle Daffy" being on almost EVERY collection devoted to Warner 'toons? It almost seems obligatory that every Bugs tape have "Fresh Hare" and every Daffy one have "Yankee Doodle Daffy". It also seems like they are obligated to use the redrawn versions of Porky cartoons. There's usually a little emblem on them that says "_mins., color", and if that's there and it has a black and white title, I can tell it's redrawn and I don't bother. And by the way...aren't those redrawn versions still copyrighted?
-Matthew

[Sogturtle]

Matthew~

The Buddy's are definitely still copyrighted!! The redrawns are also in copyright, buuuut the tape makers seem to confuse the public-domain original B & W with the redrawns... (Only their hairdresser knows for sure:))

[Sveven Dvorking]

Originally posted by Thad Komorowski
But I think you mean YOU have them all on video.

Actually, you are totally wrong. I only have about half of them on video. I was saying they are available on video and can be bought on ebay.

[Thad Komorowski]

Oh, my mistake. However, I was referring to OFFICIAL releases, not bootleg tapes.

-Thad:D

[Joe Tully]

I think that bootlegs that are occasionally available on e-bay hardly counts as "available" Sveven.

Cartoons should be available to whoever wants to see them. There is a decent sized audience that would like to see Bosko/Buddy, proven, IMO, by their popularity on Nick. These should be available in some form, on TV, video, or DVD. Don't those Warner guys like making money? The Betty Boop cartoons were pretty old, the later ones were boring, but I think that the tapes sold pretty well.

[Sveven Dvorking]

Those tapes are actually available now (search by seller matinee-classics) and I believe the Looney Tunes (and the 1933-34 Merrie Melodies) are recorded from Nickelodeon with the title cards attached. I guess WB is not making any money on them, but they are great for collectors (such as myself).