Marvel Creating A Disney XD Block? [Archive]

babykhris

05-10-2011, 08:25 PM

Today Disney CEO Bob Iger talked about Marvel.

He banged the drum for The Avengers, the Marvel action film due next year. Now that Disney has negotiated an early exit from Marvel's distribution deal with Paramount, Iger says the movie will be the "first really big initiative" from Disney's acquisition of Marvel with the potential to "turn into a true franchise." He adds that Marvel is developing a block of shows for Disney XD, as well as individual programs for ABC and ABC Family.

We already have Avengers & Ultimate Spiderman so what do you want to see? Personally I think they are making a Fantastic Four show with all the cameos they put in Avengers EMH.

Mod Note: Source - Disney Quarterly Report.

Medinnus

05-10-2011, 08:32 PM

Today Disney CEO Bob Iger talked about Marvel.

We already have Avengers & Ultimate Spiderman so what do you want to see? Personally I think they are making a Fantastic Four show with all the cameos they put in Avengers EMH.

I'm hoping for FF and the X-Men

Although hopefully we won't see yet another re-tread of:

* Age of Apocalpse
* Phoenix Saga
* Age of Future Past

Hypestyle

05-10-2011, 08:44 PM

Hopefully Pixar and Disney's 3-D studio will be a partner in animated feature films..

As far as TV shows, I hope that some more shows beyond the "obvious" are developed-- in recent years we've seen X interpretations of X-Men, Fantastic Four, Spidey--

I want to see (independent of the current Avengers continuity):
Daredevil, Captain America (solo), Thor (solo), Sub-Mariner, Heroes for Hire, Power Pack, Young Avengers, Runaways, Black Panther, Dr. Strange, Silver Surfer, Nova/Annhilators..

Captain Travis

05-10-2011, 08:55 PM

I neeed another Silver Surfer cartoon!!!!!

babykhris

05-10-2011, 09:01 PM

I neeed another Silver Surfer cartoon!!!!!

Can't happen until we free him from FOX.

Brad Redfield

05-10-2011, 10:36 PM

Actually, I think 20th Century Fox only owns the film rights to the Silver Surfer character. Marvel can do anything they want animation-wise since the Surfer is in Super Hero Squad.

As for the topic at hand, put me down for a new Fantastic Four cartoon as well.

suss2it

05-10-2011, 10:48 PM

If they are making more cartoons for Disney XD, I think the smartest thing for them to do is cover the four major corners of the Marvel Universe. Which are The Avengers, The X-Men, The Fantastic Four and Spider-Man, with the rest of the Marvel characters getting spotlights in those four shows.

So far we got The Avengers, and Spider-Man is coming soon so all we need are for the other two to get cartoons.

As far as TV shows, I hope that some more shows beyond the "obvious" are developed-- in recent years we've seen X interpretations of X-Men, Fantastic Four, Spidey--

I want to see (independent of the current Avengers continuity):
Daredevil, Captain America (solo), Thor (solo), Sub-Mariner, Heroes for Hire, Power Pack, Young Avengers, Runaways, Black Panther, Dr. Strange, Silver Surfer, Nova/Annhilators..

Doesn't make sense to have solo series for both Cap & Thor since they're both prominent characters in Earth's Mightiest so I don't think that's likely to happen. But then again something similar happened over at DC when they had The Batman and Justice League Unlimited running at the same time. As for the rest, none of them are popular enough to justify getting their own shows.

SF4Ever

05-10-2011, 11:22 PM

The sooner Disney completes the transition of Marvel, the better. BTW, I can think of a couple of cartoon series that Disney can take over, namely X-Men: Evolution and Super Hero Squad, which most recently aired on Cartoon Network. If Marvel wants to create a Disney XD block, more power to all parties involved. BTW, I wonder how soon Disney can look into giving the green light to release the 1967 Fantastic Four series on DVD. I know, Hanna-Barbera produced the program, so it falls under Warner Bros. jurisdiction, but at the same time, Disney should also have say, since acquiring Marvel, recently. Something to think about.

ktk

05-10-2011, 11:46 PM

Sounds good. You know X-Men will be back on tv sooner rather than later.

I'd love to see a Thor animated tv series, but with the surprisingly high age-skewing of the Thor movie, I'm not sure Disney will want to invest in that. On the other hand, maybe a cartoon for Thor is exactly what's needed to get kids more interested.

firefoxprime

05-10-2011, 11:55 PM

Captain Travis

05-11-2011, 07:08 AM

If they are making more cartoons for Disney XD, I think the smartest thing for them to do is cover the four major corners of the Marvel Universe. Which are The Avengers, The X-Men, The Fantastic Four and Spider-Man, with the rest of the Marvel characters getting spotlights in those four shows.

So far we got The Avengers, and Spider-Man is coming soon so all we need are for the other two to get cartoons.

Doesn't make sense to have solo series for both Cap & Thor since they're both prominent characters in Earth's Mightiest so I don't think that's likely to happen. But then again something similar happened over at DC when they had The Batman and Justice League Unlimited running at the same time. As for the rest, none of them are popular enough to justify getting their own shows.
I disagree completely I think Marvel lesser known properties would really take off if given the chance and an animated series is the perfect medium. Silver Surfer, Power Pack, and Young Avengers I could see doing very well.

Dragnatek

05-11-2011, 07:56 AM

I was hoping for an action block in general since we also have non marvel related action cartoons in the form of Tron and Motorcity on the way. Of course Disney XD could still air them on the same day as the Marvel block like before or after it and just not have them as part of said block.

babykhris Marvel owns the TV to all their characters now (thinks to buying back the rights to Spider-man from Sony) and Silver Surfer was in Super hero Squad which shows just that. Really it seems like Spider-man was the only one whose TV rights were owned by another company.

the greenman

05-11-2011, 07:59 AM

I imagine a well thought-out X-Men cartoon might be pretty cool. Especially if they go with the original concept of First Class, being Xavier, Cyclops, Jean, Beast, and Ice Man. I would love to actually see Greg Weisman on that, as he's well prepared for a show like that. If what he does on Gargoyles, Spec Spidey, and Young Justice is any indication, his version of any X-Men universe from scratch would be sick.

supergirl's pal

05-11-2011, 12:38 PM

We already have Avengers & Ultimate Spiderman so what do you want to see?

Ultimate She-Hulk! :D

CyclonatorZ

05-11-2011, 01:45 PM

It's about time! With only one new show (USM) previously on the docket for the next two years as opposed to three DC shows (Green Lantern, Batman, and another untitled production), Disney desperately needed to commit to some more Marvel productions if they wanted to compete. Now that we know they are, I second the wish for new shows based on the Fantastic Four and X-Men. If they are in continuty with Avengers: EMH, that will be the icing on the cake. :)

the greenman

05-11-2011, 05:09 PM

^ Looking at your avatar, it might be interesting to do another Hulk toon to line up with the live action series. I also had a thought, Marvel suggested a possible Cloak & Dagger live action series, have they ever been in animation? They should do a Marvel Knights kinda anthology show with darker urban types, Daredevil, Ghost Rider, Punisher, and Dr. Strange.

suss2it

05-11-2011, 05:13 PM

Kaveh77

05-11-2011, 06:52 PM

I just hope the block has an epic feel to it unlike the rest of the network

Medinnus

05-11-2011, 09:23 PM

Alrighty, I've been giving this some thought, and I do have some questions; my experience with animation is more of a "I don't know what's good, I just know what I like", and then its mostly by whether or not I like a show, not by who the creative teams are.

So... assuming that Chris Yost (et al) stay on AEMH, I was wondering if there are actually enough top-notch creative teams to actually field more than perhaps two new series; I think y'all will agree with me that it would be better to not create a series if mediocrity is the end result.

* There is Greg Weisman and his group, who are busy on Young Justice.

* There are the other elements of the old Gargoyles group (Who were guests at my sf convention Silicon in 1992) - Michael Reaves, Steve Perry, Gar and Judith Reeves-Stevens. Are they still working together in the industry?

* There are Bruce Timm and his group.

* There is Steve Dini and his production unit.

* There are some of the greats from the Marvel Silver Age who are now Hollywood writers - Len Wein, Marv Wolfman, Steve Englehart, Jim Salicrup immediately come to mind.

Now, most of these are curently busy with other projects; Young Justice, DC's animated division, others are working in live-action stuff. So how many of these creative teams would be available to work on stuff for Disney/Marvel is problematic.

I don't think we can expect more than two more series of quality stuff, with perhaps some one-shots... is that reasonable?

Monte

05-11-2011, 10:15 PM

* There are the other elements of the old Gargoyles group (Who were guests at my sf convention Silicon in 1992) - Michael Reaves, Steve Perry, Gar and Judith Reeves-Stevens. Are they still working together in the industry?

Well looking up people on IMDB

Michael Reaves Is apparetly working on an film called Guardians of Luna which will come out next year... though he might not be available afterward as there are plans to make a tv series afterward

Steve Perry apparently hasn't worked in tv since 2000 and has been working on short stories and novelizations... supposedly he does work with Reaves from time to time

no clue about the others

* There are Bruce Timm and his group.

* There is Steve Dini and his production unit.

Bruce Timm seems to be pretty busy producing DC series

PAUL dini, might be possible... after tower prep, he recently wrote a few episodes of brave and bold... so unless he's got plans he might be available in the near future

Medinnus

05-11-2011, 11:04 PM

PAUL dini, might be possible... after tower prep, he recently wrote a few episodes of brave and bold... so unless he's got plans he might be available in the near future

of course I meant Paul.. where the heck did Steve come from...:D

suss2it

05-11-2011, 11:04 PM

PAUL dini, might be possible... after tower prep, he recently wrote a few episodes of brave and bold... so unless he's got plans he might be available in the near future

He's also working on Ultimate Spider-Man right now. I'm not sure if he's a producer or just part of the writing staff though. If he's just part of the writing staff, I think he'd have time to write for another show as well.

Medinnus

05-11-2011, 11:39 PM

But you guys see my point?

If we postulate:

* Marvel Spotlight (Anthology series with rotating featured heroes - some stories just need to be told, but some brands can't support an ongoing, like say "Son of Satan" or "Defenders". Make some of the features three-parters and then sell the 90-minute arc?).

* Uncanny X-Something Which Hasn't Been Done Yet

* Fantastic Four(teen, given all the cast over time, right? :D )

* Ultimate Spider Man

* AEMH

Is there enough available talent to support excellence across the board?

ktk

05-12-2011, 01:32 AM

Not everything has to be done by somebody you know. Iron Man Armored Adventures is done by a mostly unfamiliar crew of people with only a few recognizable names. The Marvel Anime shows are certainly opening up new horizons for Marvel animation. (And just because Marvel Anime currently isn't appropriate for DisneyXD doesn't mean that future shows they work on would be the same.)

Is there enough available talent to support excellence across the board?

Well there you go. Excellence across the board would be great, but if there are going to be 4 new shows all at once (or whatever random number), you know they won't all be equal. Some are bound to be better than others.

the greenman

05-12-2011, 03:20 AM

The guys who can be showrunners or have creative/input control are:

Paul Dini ( is serving as producer on "Ultimate Spider-Man" which is fine by me.)
Bruce Timm ( is contracted under WB/DC)
James Tucker ( is contracted under WB/DC)
Greg Weisman ( has been freelancing, but currently on WB/DC "Young Justice")

Writers- mind you these guys usually work on shows or characters they have pre-association with in the comics. I will put down Marvel stuff.

Marv Wolfman (Created Blade, Black Cat, Nova)
JM DeMatteis (worked on Spider-Man, Captain America, Daredevil, Dr. Strange)
J. Michael Straczynski (Did some writing on Spider-Man, and scripted live action Thor film)
Warren Ellis (Worked on Thor, Wolverine, Fantastic Four)
Len Wein (Created Wolverine, as well as 2nd era X-Men, Storm, Colossus, Nightcrawler, and Thunderbird)
Jim Steranko (worked on Nick Fury: SHIELD)

Medinnus

05-12-2011, 08:17 AM

Iron Man Armored Adventures is done by a mostly unfamiliar crew of people with only a few recognizable names.

Its true.

But for me, Armored Adventurers was utter crap, and would probably spell the doom of a wider Disney-backed franchise; I know it has its fans here, but Disney isn't going to settle for animation fringe cult favorites with no mainstream appeal. I left out the group "Men of Action" for the same reasons - so many people here can't stand it, so it fails the "striving for epic excellence" test.

It is possible to wildcard a good creative team - but its also unlikely.

suss2it

05-12-2011, 11:30 AM

Its true.

But for me, Armored Adventurers was utter crap, and would probably spell the doom of a wider Disney-backed franchise; I know it has its fans here, but Disney isn't going to settle for animation fringe cult favorites with no mainstream appeal. I left out the group "Men of Action" for the same reasons - so many people here can't stand it, so it fails the "striving for epic excellence" test.

It is possible to wildcard a good creative team - but its also unlikely.

Armored Adventures was run by Chris Yost actually. And it wasn't a fringe series, than and Wolverine and the X-Men were big hits for Nicktoons.

That show had competent plotting, cool and dynamic characters and didn't use tired cliché stuff like jock = bully, revamped lame villains like Whiplash into cool and believable threats.

If you don't mind me asking, why do think the show is crap? Is it because of teen Tony?

Den-Of-Earth

05-12-2011, 11:40 AM

Sounds interesting.

How about also showing the classic Marvel toons from the 60's to 90's as well?

Rick Jones

05-12-2011, 01:17 PM

DXD won't show any Marvel show older than X-Men: TAS outside of Spider-Man And His Amazing Friends. The last time I remember another classic show Marvel show getting some US play was the 60s Spider-Man (only a few choice episodes) and that was back when the cartoons were on ABC Family. The older Marvel and Disney shows can only be found during the late-night hours on DXD and I don't know if they'll pull anything out of the library just to air it when everyone is asleep. The daytime programming on the network is pretty much centered around current DXD originals right now and Avengers is the only Marvel show that currently makes that list. Personally, it wouldn't hurt for them to give more chances to those older shows but it doesn't seem to be something that they really care to do right now.

I think it's cool that they're doing a Marvel block (could've sworn it was hinted at a while ago) but I don't really expect anything else besides Avengers Season 2 and Ultimate Spider-Man, at least for a while.

Captain Travis

05-12-2011, 03:10 PM

Matt Hazuda

05-12-2011, 03:19 PM

Hopefully Pixar and Disney's 3-D studio will be a partner in animated feature films..Pixar/Marvel is not happening (http://movies.ign.com/articles/116/1164656p1.html)

IGN: There's always fanboy chatter about how they'd love to see Pixar take on a Marvel project. Have there been any real talks of doing that? There's been a lot of rumors.

John Lasseter: No, Pixar, we are -- Disney has been great. Bob Iger is phenomenal. I'm Chief Creative Officer of Disney Animation as well, and with Pixar it's like, "Keep doing what you're doing, guys." It's a filmmaker-driven studio. All of the ideas come from the filmmakers themselves. Working with the filmmakers on ideas.

Medinnus

05-12-2011, 03:25 PM

Actually it's "Man of Action" and is that true that people don't like them?

I have seen a lot of negativity about their work on the Ultimate Spider-Man thread. As my son doesn't like Ben 10 nor Generator X, I couldn't say from a personal standpoint.

If you don't mind me asking, why do think the show is crap? Is it because of teen Tony?Well, that's an over-simplification, but a lot of it stems from that, yes. Essentially, by re-creating them as children, I think you lose a lot of the characterization which makes Iron Man and his franchise compelling characters. By making them kids - by removing Anthony Stark as a munitions maker who has a ... change of heart ... /rimshot, by making the Mandarin some punk kid, by making Whitney Frost over into a pale imitation of her MU616 self... they've basically taken characters with layers and history, and had to simplify them into teens, basically ruining the characters for me. This is a "What If" story gone horribly wrong. I like a lot of Chris Yost's work, and this might have made a fine OAV, but as an ongoing series? Not. So. Much.

Changing stuff around for no other reason than to "change it around" - and nobody has ever given me a reason, aside from wanting to appeal to the 9-14 demographic - is generally a poor idea. And thus, I think this series is very much an excellent example of how not to succeed with making a successful transition for Marvel properties.

Captain Travis

05-12-2011, 04:35 PM

I have seen a lot of negativity about their work on the Ultimate Spider-Man thread. As my son doesn't like Ben 10 nor Generator X, I couldn't say from a personal standpoint.

Well, that's an over-simplification, but a lot of it stems from that, yes. Essentially, by re-creating them as children, I think you lose a lot of the characterization which makes Iron Man and his franchise compelling characters. By making them kids - by removing Anthony Stark as a munitions maker who has a ... change of heart ... /rimshot, by making the Mandarin some punk kid, by making Whitney Frost over into a pale imitation of her MU616 self... they've basically taken characters with layers and history, and had to simplify them into teens, basically ruining the characters for me. This is a "What If" story gone horribly wrong. I like a lot of Chris Yost's work, and this might have made a fine OAV, but as an ongoing series? Not. So. Much.

Changing stuff around for no other reason than to "change it around" - and nobody has ever given me a reason, aside from wanting to appeal to the 9-14 demographic - is generally a poor idea. And thus, I think this series is very much an excellent example of how not to succeed with making a successful transition for Marvel properties.
Interesting, Ben 10 is not something I can get into but Generator Rex is great, and i wonder how people can bash their work on ultimate spiderman when the show hasnt even premiered yet.

And as for Iron Man:Armored Adventures, in my opinion all art is open for interpretation and I think the creators took a daring risk with making him a teen, but if you watch the show without comparing it to MU616 it's a cool twist on a classic character. Besides that the writing (in my opinion) is great, the animation style takes some getting used to though. Anyway I think it's a fun show and the creators wanted to do something fresh and it worked. I don't think too much about it being Marvel Universe, just a cool cartoon.

J!!!

05-12-2011, 04:40 PM

While we're talking about heroes who should get their own show...Deadpool maybe? He's pretty interesting and probably could run a show by himself. X-men and Fantastic Four are a must also.

If they make this Marvel block I hope they at least include some of the older Marvel cartoons in it (Maybe a retro Friday or something) I reallllly love the 1967 Spiderman show.

Dragnatek

05-12-2011, 04:41 PM

Actually it's "Man of Action" and is that true that people don't like them?

While their cartoons leave much to be desired they ARE comic book writers and artists before they made cartoons so maybe they would actually do a better job on an established character then their own creation.

Anyways while I'm not fond of Ben Ten I like Generator Rex a lot, though season two has gone down hill.

Medinnus

05-12-2011, 04:57 PM

Some last words on the subject (well, from me, as I don't like it enough to discuss it at length). Please bear in mind that this is no way intended to denigrate the staff who worked on the show; in Hollywood, you play the cards you're dealt, and often you get dealt your hand from a rigged deck... ) For example, the decision to not call Nazis as such in AEMH was one of those decisions handed down from Marketing, so they could sell the show in European markets. Sometimes you just have to make due with what you got.

... I think the creators took a daring risk with making him a teen...

The thing about daring risks is that most of the time, they fail. if the PTB had read the attempt in the MU616 to make "teen Tony" an exciting concept they might have saved themselves the time and effort. Lame comic, lame show, lame concept (IMO)

...if you watch the show without comparing it to MU616...
If you're going to junk MU 616, then why bother with the Iron Man franchise? If you want to be really creative, don't take something and then change it beyond recognition, go the extra ten feet and actually create an original franchise.

For me, its the difference between, say taking "Dial H for Hero" and making Ben 10 out if it, as opposed to just going the extra mile to invent Ben 10 from scratch.

IM:AA is essentially a one-joke "what if" story that went on 24 episodes too long. :D They should have done what they did with Avengers: Next Generation, and made it an OAV.

Captain Travis

05-12-2011, 05:04 PM

Some last words on the subject (well, from me, as I don't like it enough to discuss it at length).

The thing about daring risks is that most of the time, they fail. if the PTB had read the attempt in the MU616 to make "teen Tony" an exciting concept they might have saved themselves the time and effort. Lame comic, lame show, lame concept (IMO)

If you're going to junk MU 616, then why bother with the Iron Man franchise? If you want to be really creative, don't take something and then change it beyond recognition, go the extra ten feet and actually create an original franchise.

"Sure, they crapped over everything that makes Iron Man the character that he is, but they crapped over him in an interesting way!" just doesn't cut it for me.

To take something and then throw out all the essentials of a thing so that you can bait-and-switch exploit the brand is pretty non-creative, in my book, and why I think its a great example of what not to do to maximize the hero brands. You don't want to do the heroes as they are, change the character designs and names and don't use the old ones.

IM:AA is essentially a one-joke "what if" story that went on 24 episodes too long. :D They should have done what they did with Avengers: Next Generation, and made it an OAV.
Man, I feel bad for you.

Medinnus

05-12-2011, 05:10 PM

Man, I feel bad for you.

Aww, thanks!

I know I'm opinionated, but like onions, everyone has one, and some really stink. :D

Dragnatek

05-12-2011, 05:23 PM

The thing about daring risks is that most of the time, they fail. if the PTB had read the attempt in the MU616 to make "teen Tony" an exciting concept they might have saved themselves the time and effort. Lame comic, lame show, lame concept (IMO)

It is a matter of opinion and I do respect yours but in mine I actually think the crew for Armored Adventures took a horrible idea and actually made a decent show out of it. That they did manage to take Teen Tony a workable concept something the comics failed to do.

To me Armored Adventures was better then it had any right being. I went in that show expecting to feel the same way you feel about it and yet i didn't. I came out feeling that they crafted an interesting story, sure it's not loyal to the comics in any way but it's not bad.

Captain Travis

05-12-2011, 05:43 PM

Monte

05-12-2011, 08:03 PM

It is a matter of opinion and I do respect yours but in mine I actually think the crew for Armored Adventures took a horrible idea and actually made a decent show out of it. That they did manage to take Teen Tony a workable concept something the comics failed to do.

To me Armored Adventures was better then it had any right being. I went in that show expecting to feel the same way you feel about it and yet i didn't. I came out feeling that they crafted an interesting story, sure it's not loyal to the comics in any way but it's not bad.

Ya, this is how i feel... i mean i didn't really care about the reinterpretation of ironman, i started that show with very low expectation, but taken purely on its own merits i felt like it was a pretty good show. It may have been a poor idea to re-imagine Ironman like that, but i feel like the show was good enough to show that the people working on the show could handle a normal marvel series

While we're talking about heroes who should get their own show...Deadpool maybe? He's pretty interesting and probably could run a show by himself.
Y'know i'm somehow not sure about a show for deadpool... he's awesome no doubt but i can't help but feel that the best way to use him in animation is for him to pop up as a guest star in episodes, be his awesome self, and then leave the audience begging for more. Giving him a whole show might be overkill... not to mention lots of guest appearance would help make him more familiar to audiences

Medinnus

05-12-2011, 08:20 PM

Y'know i'm somehow not sure about a show for deadpool... he's awesome no doubt but i can't help but feel that the best way to use him in animation is for him to pop up as a guest star in episodes, be his awesome self, and then leave the audience begging for more. Giving him a whole show might be overkill... not to mention lots of guest appearance would help make him more familiar to audiences

I don't like the character of Deadpool, but that said, that's why I wanted an anthology show. I don't think the Two-Gun Kid or the Phantom Rider could support a series either, but they could support an episode (one, two, or three parts).

Captain Travis

05-12-2011, 09:28 PM

I don't like the character of Deadpool, but that said, that's why I wanted an anthology show. I don't think the Two-Gun Kid or the Phantom Rider could support a series either, but they could support an episode (one, two, or three parts).
Deadpool isn't for me either. Thats an awesome idea, so it would be like single stories each about a new marvel character?

Monte

05-12-2011, 09:40 PM

I don't like the character of Deadpool, but that said, that's why I wanted an anthology show. I don't think the Two-Gun Kid or the Phantom Rider could support a series either, but they could support an episode (one, two, or three parts).

An Anthology series seems like an interesting concept, though i would question how well it would work out. I mean we are essentially talking about a episodic series that is actually a series one shots. Unlike other superhero series there would be no time to let the characters grow on people and very little time to develop the characters... to make matters worse, Part of the major support of these superheroes series is name recognition of the characters... for animation viewers this means we are talking about mostly unknown characters... The later makes it hard to attract and audience and the former makes it hard to keep the audience invested. Gonna need one hell of development team since it will be an uphill battle...

I think what might be best is for those more obscure characters, is for those characters to first appear as guest stars within the other marvel shows... Get a good few episodes that does a great enough job showcasing those characters along side other more well known characters so that audiences will want to see more of them; Kind of like they did for various heroes in the 90's spiderman tas... only then might an anthology show have a good chance of getting green lighted

Or perhaps it might work out is Marvel creates something like JLU... like some kind of marvel universe series that would not only showcase those obscure characters, but also show off the more popular and well-known characters. Marvel animation fans will come for the characters they know, but at the same time they will get repeated exposure to characters they barely know or heard about... That's basically how Justice league unlimited worked in DC's more obscure heroes; by having them get show cased in episodes alongside more popular characters

suss2it

05-12-2011, 09:41 PM

The thing about daring risks is that most of the time, they fail. if the PTB had read the attempt in the MU616 to make "teen Tony" an exciting concept they might have saved themselves the time and effort. Lame comic, lame show, lame concept (IMO)Without taking risks you usually end up with a pretty boring story.

If you're going to junk MU 616, then why bother with the Iron Man franchise? If you want to be really creative, don't take something and then change it beyond recognition, go the extra ten feet and actually create an original franchise.Because not a lot of TV companies are willing to bank on completely new franchises. By having Iron Man as the foundation they have a much bigger chance at the show getting made. And Armored Adventures is recognizable. Tony is still an arrogant genius, Rhodie, Pepper and Happy are still his support group who keep him grounded.]

Medinnus

05-13-2011, 12:05 AM

Deadpool isn't for me either. Thats an awesome idea, so it would be like single stories each about a new marvel character?

Well, not "new" as such. For example, there would be plenty of space to develop, say, an episode or five of Ghost Rider (he's got his own movies, he's somewhat known), or some of the second-tier X-characters or Avengers characters, solo stories of some of the team character, team-ups with characters, and so forth.

As for it being an uphill road, I don't think so - after all, Marvel Spotlight had a remarkably successful run as a comic series, and was kind of the "try out" book for characters who had been guest-stars or supporting cast in normal comics, to see if they could support their own title. Deadpool would almost be ideal as a recurring set of episodes (While he's not my cup of tea, there are lots of people for whom he is, after all).

http://www.medinnus.com/AEMH/images/microheroes/ms_marvel_AEHM_01.png

lukecage

05-14-2011, 04:27 PM

I neeed another Silver Surfer cartoon!!!!!
a good one.

Munkiman

05-14-2011, 08:29 PM

Well, not "new" as such. For example, there would be plenty of space to develop, say, an episode or five of Ghost Rider (he's got his own movies, he's somewhat known), or some of the second-tier X-characters or Avengers characters, solo stories of some of the team character, team-ups with characters, and so forth.

As for it being an uphill road, I don't think so - after all, Marvel Spotlight had a remarkably successful run as a comic series, and was kind of the "try out" book for characters who had been guest-stars or supporting cast in normal comics, to see if they could support their own title. Deadpool would almost be ideal as a recurring set of episodes (While he's not my cup of tea, there are lots of people for whom he is, after all).

http://www.medinnus.com/AEMH/images/microheroes/ms_marvel_AEHM_01.png
Sounds a lot like the DC Showcase shorts, which I love.

There are a lot of cool possibilities with Marvel beyond the mainstays like Avengers, FF, Spider-Man and X-Men. Power Man and Iron Fist, Captain Mar-Vell, hell, I bet the Agents of Atlas would make a pretty epic show.

And if we want something bigger, how about Hulk, Thor or Captain America? None of them have had a really modern solo show.

Dragnatek

05-15-2011, 07:33 PM

Medinnus (http://www.toonzone.net/forums/member.php?u=43081) It's funny how your able to look past things for one show (Super Hero Squad) but then attack and hate another show for doing those same things.

I agree with you that Teen Tony is a horrid idea one that sucked big times in the comics and is best left forgotten. But I believe that Armored Adventures actually did a good job with the teen setting and reinventing all these characters in general. It's almost like you can't get past that one idea to look at the show itself.

Medinnus

05-15-2011, 08:09 PM

Medinnus (http://www.toonzone.net/forums/member.php?u=43081) It's funny how your able to look past things for one show (Super Hero Squad) but then attack and hate another show for doing those same things.

But they aren't doing the same thing; SHS is a good-natured parody of the MU; IM:AA we're supposed to take seriously. Call me a hypocrite by implication if you like (and you did). What you (and others) don't seem to grasp is that while I like SHS, I find IM:AA a travesty - but I don't hate it, or call those who like it names because their opinion differs from mine. I regret that my assessment of the show seems to tick some people off, but that's their issue, not mine, which is why I indicated before I'd prefer not to bother with that thread any longer.

'Nuff said.