FOP a CCF ripoff?

[Auggie Doggie]

In some newsgroup, a guy called Nick's "The Fairly OddParents" a ripoff of Cartoon Cartoon Fridays because:

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It's creator, Butch Hartman is a former Hanna-Barbera/Cartoon Network Studios (CCF's animation studio) Employee.
It debuted on "Oh, Yeah! Cartoons" and span off of it, like most of CCF's shows.
It seems to bear resemblence to some of CCF's shows.
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However, Kim Burke (me@kimburk.com) thinks otherwise:


Butch Hartman (creator of Fairly Oddparents) used to work for Cartoon Network (I think), and his cartoon was a spin-off from Oh Yeah! Cartoons, which was also created by a CN guy. It's not a rip-off, it's one style flowing over into two networks.

In other words:
Craig Bartlett, creator of Hey Arnold!, has moved to Cartoon Network and is working on a cartoon for them called Party Wagon. The style will probably be similar to that of Arnold. Are you gonna call that show a Nickelodeon rip-off?

What do you think?

[Eddy_Girly]

I think Nick copies Cartoon Network (no offense to Nick fans).

[Lightwave]

i feel the same as eddy girly.

[PeppeRaskell1]

Originally posted by hyperknux88
i feel the same as eddy girly.


It's common knowledge that the Men in Orange copy over the shoulders of the Men in Checkerboard. "Nick Flicks" apes "Cartoon Theater," their e-collectibles ape Orbit's c-toons, and Jimmy Neutron apes Dexy.

BTW, I just heard the MIOs were asking for a sample of Jack's DNA
(The Disney guys wanted the same).

Just kidding...Maybe...


"I am more than a Cartoon Cartoon...I am an Original!"

[Sharklady]

> BTW, I just heard the MIOs were asking for a sample of Jack's DNA (The Disney guys wanted the same). <

Don't give it to 'em, Jack- they're probably working for Aku!

[Killtacular]

a) The Fairly Oddparents is a ripoff of nothing. Don't bring them into this.

b) Butch Hartman didn't go directly to Nick from CN. He went to FOX first to work on Family Guy for two years.

c) The name "Cartoon Cartoons" is incredibly derivative of "Nicktoons."

d) Nick doesn't have a 5 hour primetime block of shows hosted by somebody. Slime Time Live is in the afternoons. Also, STL is cancelled.

e) Hanna-Barbera tried "2 Stupid Dogs" as an attempt to win over the Ren and Stimpy audience, only with less gross humor and more clever writing. But still a knockoff.

f) Boomerang. Nick-At-Nite. Enough said.

[Jimmy Kustes]

Originally posted by Matt Wilson

c) The name "Cartoon Cartoons" is incredibly derivative of "Nicktoons."


Agreed

[Auggie Doggie]

Originally posted by Matt Wilson
a) The Fairly Oddparents is a ripoff of nothing. Don't bring them into this.

b) Butch Hartman didn't go directly to Nick from CN. He went to FOX first to work on Family Guy for two years.

c) The name "Cartoon Cartoons" is incredibly derivative of "Nicktoons."

d) Nick doesn't have a 5 hour primetime block of shows hosted by somebody. Slime Time Live is in the afternoons. Also, STL is cancelled.

e) Hanna-Barbera tried "2 Stupid Dogs" as an attempt to win over the Ren and Stimpy audience, only with less gross humor and more clever writing. But still a knockoff.

f) Boomerang. Nick-At-Nite. Enough said.

Hey, thanx for spilling everything out.

However, I watch a little bit of Nick, (like FOP) but a lot more of Cartoon Network.

[PeppeRaskell1]

Originally posted by Matt Wilson

d) Nick doesn't have a 5 hour primetime block of shows hosted by somebody. Slime Time Live is in the afternoons. Also, STL is cancelled.

You mean, they finally pulled the plug on STL?
YAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAY!

I never did like the idea of one kid being asked over the phone to choose what show the rest of the country is going to watch. (And more often than not, "Rugrats" was always chosen over whatever else would be offered that day.)

I never liked the idea that little kids would subject themselves to being pied in the face or slimed with green slime. (Think of the lifelong trauma!) I'd just as soon face a face-to-face in The Principal's Office.

And I never liked the idea of young men and women in their 20's making fools of themselves, and messy games being played before the start of the next show. I always felt like screaming,
"C'mon, start the **** cartoon already!" right back at the TV...And wishing I could slime (or pie) the hosts in the face!


"I am more than a Cartoon Cartoon...I am an Original!"

Of course, this might be a little premature, right?

[grim15]

i like nick well some shows like invader zim and spongbob squarepants and maybe hey arnold but thats all waht ill watch on nick now

[auto]

Think of it this way,if nick wasn't around CN wouldn't have much competition and without competition they wouldn't get better.

[Galaxia]

True

[Eddy_Girly]

Originally posted by Sheepfan
Think of it this way,if nick wasn't around CN wouldn't have much competition and without competition they wouldn't get better.

I guess you're right. I still prefer CN over Nick though (I have more favorite shows on CN than Nick).

[Auggie Doggie]

Originally posted by Eddy_Girly


I guess you're right. I still prefer CN over Nick though (I have more favorite shows on CN than Nick).

Same here.

[Eddy_Girly]

Originally posted by Auggie Doggie


Same here.

I only watch Hey Arnold! and Invader ZIM whenever I see it on, but I'm not an everyday-person, like I am with CN (I watch it nearly 24/7!).

[Eddy_Girly]

Originally posted by Eddy_Girly


I only watch Hey Arnold! and Invader ZIM whenever I see it on, but I'm not an everyday-person, like I am with CN (I watch it nearly 24/7!).

And if you're going to ask "why?", it's so I can study their programming (okay . . . , that was a weird answer).

[The_NewCatwoman]

To add to the whole Butch Hartman thing, he used to work on Johnny Bravo remember?

NEway, I used to adore Nickelodeon, you know before they sold their soul by censoring Ren and Stimpy. I remember shows like Eureka's Castle, and You can't do that on Television. Remember Salute your shorts? And when the word "hell" could be said?

Now I turn to CN for the appropriate veiwing of cartoons and anime. Too bad CN is too damn obsessed with Scooby and Goku. You can only take so mush "Rubbe Rubbe Roooooo!" before you just say, "Okay, where the hell did I put that remote?"

The only shows I really watch are the old Rugrats (pre-Kimmy, Dil, and whoever else they decided to throw in there), the old Hey Arnold's (before they changed the voice actors) although that show is still good now, and SpongeBob Squarepants.

I always thought it was pretty lame for Oh Yeah Cartoons! to carbon copy What a Cartoon Show!, the predecessor to "Cartoon, cartoon."

And you have to notice the variety of their attempts fail, Nick Flicks I haven't heard from in a while. Although, I will say, I'm not exactly bumrushing the tube just in time to catch Scooby Doo and the Witch's Ghost, when Mask of the Phantasm hasn't been seen since 2000.

I hope CN gets their acts together, and "He who shall not be named" (Kellner) stops taking his ratings cues from Ms. Thompson's Fourth grade class.

Thank God for Adult Swim. Because everything else, is just blank space.

[Jimmy Kustes]

Didn't Nick copy CN's use of two commercial breaks per half hour instead of 3?

[Sharklady]

> Didn't Nick copy CN's use of two commercial breaks per half hour instead of 3? <

I'd be happy if every network around* copied that.


* Except for PBS- their commercial breaks are even scarcer! (except when they're doing pledge drives, but that's another matter.)

[Jimmy Kustes]

When people are paying 50 bucks a month on cable there shouldn't be any commercials at all.

[cybersst]

I never did like the idea of one kid being asked over the phone to choose what show the rest of the country is going to watch. (And more often than not, "Rugrats" was always chosen over whatever else would be offered that day.)


Actually, the phones/Nick.com voting did virtually nothing. When STL did their "Bahamas" week, the show was taped 4 weeks prior. They allowed the kids to "pick" (kids are "advised" what to say) the cartoon, but the online cote for who got to play "Slime Time" was supposed to be derived from the nick.com votes....voting for an event that took place 4 weeks prior....Where's the Timestoppers when ya need 'em...oh, wait. They're inserted in every Nickelodeon commercial break.

[Killtacular]

Technically, Cartoon Network "copied" the 11-min/11-min commercial break format, but I'm sure it wasn't intentional.

Nickelodeon's had the format since the 80s. Hasn't changed, and probably won't change. The only difference is when they air an episode of Fairly Oddparents that's split into 3 7-minute segments. They then air commercials after each segment.

[Sharklady]

> Technically, Cartoon Network "copied" the 11-min/11-min commercial break format, but I'm sure it wasn't intentional. <

Even if it was intentional, I don't blame 'em. Imitating a format isn't the same as copying a property.

[Eddy_Girly]

Originally posted by Sharklady
> Technically, Cartoon Network "copied" the 11-min/11-min commercial break format, but I'm sure it wasn't intentional. <

Even if it was intentional, I don't blame 'em. Imitating a format isn't the same as copying a property.

CN first came on TV around 1991-1992, so I wouldn't say it was copying. If they had started out with a different format, then maybe.

[Watermelon]

FOP is NOT a CCF ripoff! (Notice the capitals). Want to know what is? FNN. (Friday Night Nicktoon's). (Another abriviation)!

[Kuro-Neko]

Originally posted by Eddy_Girly
I think Nick copies Cartoon Network (no offense to Nick fans).
Invader zim wasn't copied. jhonen vasquez created it

[Killtacular]

Arr, don't ye be reviving threads from days long past, lest ye face the PLANK.

[Faye_Valentine]

Originally posted by PeppeRaskell1
their e-collectibles ape Orbit's c-toons,

I've never heard of that one, but who saw the Fox Box? Well one of the shows was Kirby: Right Back At Ya! and the website for it http://www.kirbykirbykirby.com/ has a thing that's like the Cartoonorbit.

[Ed man]

the old Hey Arnold's (before they changed the voice actors)

I dont *think* the voice actors were actually changed. Most of the voices are done by kids. There voices just matured so they sound different.

Anyway. CN and Nick copy off of eachother a bit. But Nick does it alot more (in my opinion)


Well one of the shows was Kirby: Right Back At Ya! and the website for it http://www.kirbykirbykirby.com/ has a thing that's like the Cartoonorbit.

I love that show! ^-^ But they have to shape up their "warpstuff" which is alot like Orbit. You cant visit other peoples places or trade. Oh well, its only been up a week. Maybe theyll add stuff later.

[Feslmogh]

What became the last straw for me was the Dexter's Lab ripoff "Jimmy Neutron"

TSD a ripoff of R&S? I don't see any connection there... :confused:

[mobo85]

Originally posted by Faye_Valentine
I've never heard of that one, but who saw the Fox Box? Well one of the shows was Kirby: Right Back At Ya! and the website for it http://www.kirbykirbykirby.com/ has a thing that's like the Cartoonorbit.

Can't blame Nintendo for trying-kirbykirbykirby.com is their official site for the Kirby character. They're trying to make him their next big character. He's lasted for 10 years, so he seems to have the same kind of staying power Link and Mario do.

[Samurai Rocko]

First off, Fairly Oddparents is a not a ripoff from CCF. You can't just change your art style so people can't start thinking you copy off of people.

as for copying, this is the main copying I seen between the Networks. The most copying is at Number 1

3. Cartoon Network copys Nick

2. Nick copys CN

and the most copying I see from the Networks are.

1. Nick copies itself

Yes, now a days Nick wants all their Nick shows to be about one thing: Kids. This is fine but gets preety tireing. What happens to shows like Ren and Stimpy, Ahh Real's Monster, Rocko's Modern Life, Angry Beavers, Catdog, and Invader Zim. They get cancelled. But shows like Rugrats, Rocket Power, Wild Thornberries, As told by Ginger, Chalkzone, and Butt ugly martians. They stay because they are always stories about little kids. I didn't put Hey Arnold, Fairly Oddparents, and Spongebob because Adults and Kids like them.

Every person I asked at school and at home said they rather watch Cartoon Network than Nick. Enough said

[The_Bookworm]

Timmy Turner's parents ( FOP) and Cow and Chicken's parents do share the same strange habit of breaking into inopportune high-pitched laughter. And in the first FOP shorts therr faces were not observed on-screen (though several shows use this technique--kids' perception of adults as faceless, anonymous authoritiy figures, I guess--rather scary when you get down to it).

But other than that, no, I don't see conclusive evidence to cry "plagiarism"....

[Moof]

Everyone copys off everyone, and do you know why? CASH money, why do you think when "Who wants to be a Millionaire" hit it big you saw 30 million other networks with similar game shows. Same with "Survivor" they all may seem different but follow the same basic formula.

A bit closer to home, Toonami & Nick slam, Dexters Lab & Jimmy Neutron. You can say "Oh its just nick making a show about a smart little boy" But lets face it, it’s a COPY a spoof. The take the formula (Smart boy making a bunch of high tech stuff) and build upon it.

As long as there’s hit TV shows, there will be copies of it. I think the Simpsons said it best.

"If it went for the Flintstones we wouldn’t have the Honeymooners"

And

"Hey! he stole that bit from me"

"And you stone it from Jonny Carson"

Of course that's just my opinion ... I could be wrong.

[The_NewCatwoman]

Originally posted by Matt Wilson
Arr, don't ye be reviving threads from days long past, lest ye face the PLANK.

I was surprised to see it back up too.

[Yuss]

Originally posted by Auggie Doggie
However, Kim Burke (me@kimburk.com) thinks otherwise:Now that's weird, I knew Kim Burk from a message board YEARS ago.

Ahywho.

~B+:

[Kuro-Neko]

How OLD is this thread actually :confused:

[BrendaBat]

First off, Fairly Oddparents is a not a ripoff from CCF. You can't just change your art style so people can't start thinking you copy off of people.
Yeah! It's not fair to call Butch Hartman a plagirist.
Craig McCracken and Genndy Tartakovsky were also influenced by the old Hanna-Barbera style, and no one has called them copy cats.


Didn't Nick copy CN's use of two commercial breaks per half hour instead of 3?
I think you're nit-picking a little too much there :rolleyes: