Greatest Movie Hero/Villain Ever! Nomination Thread

[SpideyFan914]

"Which would be worse - to live as a monster, or to die as a good man?"
-Shutter Island, 2010

Since the very first story was passed down from Adam to Abel, mankind has always needed heroes to look up to, and villains to hate. Perhaps our favorite kind of story is one that pits good against evil, hero vs. villain. And when the motion picture was invented around the turn of the 20th century, it wasn't long before the stories made their way to the cinema screen. We love to watch heroes overcome all odds and accomplish some amazing feat! Perhaps just as much, we love to watch the villains throw twists and turns at our heroes and make them struggle! But now it is time to examine, once and for all, just who is the....

GREATEST MOVIE HERO EVER!!!

And also who is the....

GREATEST MOVIE VILLAIN EVER!!!

This will be a Greatest ___ Ever first, peoples - we've got permission to run these two threads simultaneously! Set to start once Greatest Filmmaker Ever reaches its pulse-pounding conclusion, we shall together embark to argue in circles over who the greatest characters of movie history are. So I figure, let's get these nominations started, right?

We'll begin with 128 nominations in each category, and 10 nominations per person in each category. Also, when you nominate a character, please say what movie they're from.

I'm also going to bring back the filmmaker rules and say that we're dealing only with features, and nothing springing out of a TV show. In other words: Shorts don't count. TV movies don't count. Movies which continue TV shows don't count.

This isn't to see that adaptations of TV shows don't count - a hell of a lot of movies are adapted, and I'll be damned if we exclude them! So any adaptation - be it of a novel, play, comic book, or even a true story - is perfectly legitimate territory. In terms of characters who have had multiple movie incarnations.... It's a hard call, but I think I'll say that they can count separately.

One last rule - in order to prevent over-representation of certain movies that would quickly turn this competition into "Harry Potter v. Lord of the Rings v. Star Wars," I'm going to establish a 3-per-movie rule. So for each movie, we can have a maximum of 3 heroes and 3 villains. When it comes to movie series, we'll take it on a case-by-case basis, but I'm going to say that any series which relies heavily on continuity, such as HP or LotR, will be counted as a single movie, but series which are more episodic with only one or two recurring characters, like Indiana Jones or the Dollars trilogy, will be counted as separate movies. In other words, you can only get 3 heroes and 3 villains out of the Lord of the Rings trilogy, which is essentially a single story, but I'm gonna let you pull more heroes and villains from whatever James Bond movie you choose.

Any questions? I welcome you all to argue any of these rules, and if you get enough support, I'll consider changing it.


Now, as for what constitutes a hero or a villain, here will be the GUIDELINES:
1. Believe it or not, we're not limited to action movies. Most movies have at least a hero, even if there are no villains. (A few here and there actually have only villains, but we'll get to that later.)
2. Heroes are characters we are meant to identify with, who want something badly. They can be fighting for a larger cause, chasing a loved one, struggling to survive, or pretty much anything.
3. As a rule of thumb, the protagonist is, nine times out of ten, the hero of the story.
4. Villains are characters who pose some threat to the hero's goal, or characters who seek an unjust (in perspective of the movie) cause.
5. A protagonist can be a villain if we are meant to think they are unjust in their cause. Bonnie and Clyde, Henry Hill, and Jigsaw would be some good examples of this.
6. There will still be plenty of guys who we don't know what to do with. Feel free to argue in circles over whether Dog Day Afternoon's Sonny is a hero or a villain, and if I'm uncertain I'll put it to a vote.
7. Not necessarily every character has to fit into one of the categories. There is a such thing as "supporting characters," guys who really just sit on the sidelines and root for the hero. So don't think that just because you love so-and-so, you have to nominate them.
8. Common sense, people! You know Darth Vader's a villain, and you know Obi Wan's a hero! At the end of the day, common sense is a pretty clear indicator of where to categorize anyone.


Whew.... I think that's all. I'm gonna request that you don't get too obscure, but it's really up to you. First ten on each list are my starting nominations. And here are the nominees:

HEROES
1. Indiana Jones (Raiders of the Lost Ark)
2. Spider-Man (Spider-Man)
3. Atticus Finch (To Kill a Mockingbird)
4. James Bond (Dr. No)
5. The Man With No Name (A Fistful of Dollars)
6. Han Solo (The Star Wars Trilogy)
7. Luke Skywalker (The Star Wars Trilogy)
8. J. J. Gittes (Chinatown)
9. The Dude (The Big Lebowski)
10. Juror No. 8 (Twelve Angry Men)
11. Yoda (Star Wars Trilogy)
12. Obi Wan (Prequel Trilogy)
13. T-800 (Terminator 2: Judgement Day)
14. Godzilla (Godzilla Vs. Mechagodzilla)
15. Sgt. J. J. Sefton (Stalag 17)
16. Travis Bickle (Taxi Driver)
17. Jay and Silent Bob (Jay and Silent Bob Strike Back)
18. Clarice Stalling (Silence of the Lambs)
19. "Fast" Eddie Felson (The Hustler)
20. Henry Jones, Sr. (The Last Crusade)
21. Jesus (The Passion)
22. Neo (The Matrix trilogy)
23. William Munny (Unforgiven)
24. The Bride (Kill Bill)
25. Doc Brown (Back to the Future)
26. Daniel Larusso (Karate Kid)
27. Andy Dufresne (Shawshank Redemption)
28. John McClane (Die Hard)
29. Tony Stark (Iron Man)
30. John Coffey (The Green Mile)
31. Peter Pan (Peter Pan)
32. Robin Hood (The Adventures of Robin Hood)
33. Flash Gordon (Flash Gordon)
34. Jefferson Smith (Mr. Smith Goes to Washington)
35. George Bailey (It's a Wonderful Life)
36. Eddie Vailant (Who Framed Roger Rabbit)
37. Ripley (Alien)
38. Ringo Kid (Stagecoach)
39. Holley Martins (The Third Man)
40. Qui-Gon Jinn (Prequel Trilogy)
41. Marco Paggot (Porco Rosso)
42. Princess Nausicaä (Nausicaä of the Valley of the Wind)
43. Prince Ashitaka (Princess Mononoke)
44. Detective Marge Gunderson (Fargo)
45. Ulysses Everett McGill (O, Brother Where Art Thou?)
46. Robert Roy MacGregor (Rob Roy)
47. Harmonica (Once Upon a Time in the West)
48. Sanjuro (Yojimbo)
49. Roger Thornhill (North by Northwest)
50. Sam Spade (The Maltese Falcon)
51. Rocky Balboa (Rocky)
52. King George VI (The King's Speech)
53. Frodo Baggins (The Lord of the Rings Trilogy)
54. Woody Pride (Toy Story)
55. Superman (Superman)
56. Captain Jack Sparrow (Pirates of the Carribean series)
57. Truman Burbank (The Truman Show)
58. Marty McFly (The Back to the Future Trilogy)
59. Richard Kimble (The Fugitive)
60. Simba (The Lion King)
61. Evelyn Salt (Salt)
62. Perseus (Clash of the Titans)
63. Percy Jackson (The Lightning Thief)
64. Johhny Blaze/Ghost Rider (Ghost Rider)
65. Tron (Tron)
66. Sam Flynn (Tron Legacy)
67. Optimus Prime (Transformers)
68. Nemo (Finding Nemo)
69. Mulan (Mulan)
70. Aladdin (Aladdin)
71. Lucas "Luke" Jackson (Cool Hand Luke)
72. Henry Drummond (Inherit the Wind)
73. Fred M. Gailey (Miracle on 34th Street)
74. Dumbledore (Harry Potter series)
75. Mahatma Gandi (Gandhi)
76. Daniel "Rudy" Ruettiger (Rudy)
77. Gandalf (Lord of the Rings Trilogy)
78. Dorothy (Wizard of Oz)
79. The Tramp (City Lights)
80. John Merrick (The Elephant Man)
81. Rick Blaine (Casablanca)
82. Alvy Singer (Annie Hall)
83. Annie Hall (Annie Hall)
84. Dirty Harry Callahan (Dirty Harry)
85. Aragorn (Lord of the Rings Trilogy)
86. Zorro (The Mark of Zorro)
87. Scott Pilgrim (Scott Pilgrim vs The World)
88. Ace Ventura (Ace Ventura: Pet Detective)
89. Mr.Incredible (The Incredibles)
90. The Mask (The Mask)
91. Austen Powers (Austen Powers series)
92. Po (Kung Fu Panda)
93. Nanashi (Sword of The Stranger)
94. Forrest Gump (Forrest Gump)
95. Hiccup (How to Train Your Dragon)
96. Ben Gates (National Treasure series)
97. Rango (Rango)
98. Buzz Lightyear (Toy Story)
99. Jack Burton (Big Trouble in Little China)
100. Johnny Smith (Dead Zone)
101. Blade (Blade)
102. Marv (Sin City)
103. Jules Winfield (Pulp Fiction)
104. Batman (Batman, 1989)
105. J.B. Jeffries (Rear Window)
106. Sonny (Dog Day Afternoon)
107. Lester Burnham (American Beauty)
108. Rosemary Woodhouse (Rosemary's Baby)
109. Elsa Lund (Casablanca)
110. Ed Wood (Ed Wood)
111. Ethan Edwards (The Searchers)
112. Max Rockatansky (Mad Max)
113. Sarah Conner (The Terminator)
114. Ferris Bueller (Ferris Bueller's Day Off)
115. Foxy Brown (Foxy Brown)
116. The Thief (The Thief of Bagdad, 1924)
117. Inigo Montoya (The Princess Bride)
118. Westley (The Princess Bride)
119. Chief Martin Brody (Jaws)
120. Lupin III (The Castle of Cagliostro)
121. Rapunzel (Tangled)
122. Flynn Rider (Tangled)
123. Pinocchio (Pinocchio)
124. Tarzan (Tarzan)
125. Merlin (Sword and the Stone)
126. Milo (Atlantis: The Lost Empire)
127. Jack Skellington (Nightmare Before Christmas)
128. Kris Kringle (Miracle on 34th Street)
129. Harry Potter (Harry Potter Series)
130. Hercule Poirot (Murder on the Orient Express, 1973)
131. Phil Connors (Groundhog Day)
132. Moses (The Ten Commandments)
133. Maria Von Trapp (The Sound of Music)
134. Elliot (E.T. the Extraterrestrial)
135. Mr. Tibbs (In the Heat of the Night)
136. Batou (Ghost in the shell)
137. Master Yupa (Nausicaä of the Valley of the Wind)
138. Butch Cassidy and the Sundance Kid (Butch Cassidy and the Sundance Kid)
139. Elinore (Scaramouche)
140. Johnny Hooker & Henry Gondorff (The Sting)
141. Randle P. McMurphy (One Flew Over the Cuckoo's Nest)
142. Colonel Douglas Mortimer (For A Few Dollars More)
143. Charlie Kaufman (Adaptation)
144. Joel Barish (Eternal Sunshine of the Spotless Mind)
145. Lilo (Lilo & Stitch)
146. Stitch (Lilo & Stitch)
147. Randy "The Ram" (The Wrestler)
148. Wladysaw Szpilman (The Pianist)
149. Shorty (Indiana Jones and the Temple of Doom)
150. Marion (Raiders of the Lost Ark)
151. Dr. Marcus Brody (Raiders of the Lost Ark)
152. William Foster Kane (Citizen Kane)
153. Severus Snape (Harry Potter series)
154. Kevin McCallister (Home Alone)
155. Kay Adams (The Godfather)
156. Elastigirl/Mrs. Incredible (The Incredibles)
157. Dory (Finding Nemo)
158. Gizmo (Gremlins)
159. Will Hunting (Good Will Hunting)
160. HG Wells (Time After Time)
161. Chihiro Ogino (Spirited Away)
162. Connor Macleod (Highlander)
163. Inspector "Tequila" Yuen (Hardboiled)
164. Barry Egan (Punch-Drunk Love)
165. "Rooster" Cogburn (True Grit)
166. Snake Plisken (Escape From New York)
167. Peter Venkman (Ghostbusters)
168. Adam & Barbara Maitland (Beetlejuice)
169. Jake & Elwood Blues (The Blues Brothers)
170. Clarence Worley & Alabama Whitman (True Romance)
171. Sloth (The Goonies)
172. Scottie Ferguson (Vertigo)
173. Lassie (Lassie)
174. Shrek (Shrek)
175. Dom Cobb (Inception)
176. Norville Barnes (The Hudsucker Proxy)
177. MegaMind (MegaMind)
178. Kevin Flynn (Tron)
179. Carl Frederickson (Up)
180. Buddy (Elf)
181. Remy (Ratatouille)
182. Linguini (Ratatouille)
183. Mike Wazowski (Monsters, Inc.)
184. Sulley (Monsters, Inc.)
185. Kuzco (The Emperor's New Groove)
186. Flint Lockwood (Cloudy with a Chance of Meatballs)
187. Batman (Batman Begins)
188. Maetel (Galaxy Express 999)
189. Captain Harlock (Arcadia of My Youth)
190. Kirikou (Kirikou & The Sorceress)
191. Captain Willard (Apocalypse Now)
192. Francis (Felidae)
193. Ben Braddock (The Graduate)
194. Dug (Up)
195. Russell (Up)
196. Marlin (Finding Nemo)
197. Dr. Frankenstein (Young Frankenstein)
198. Igor (Young Frankenstein)
199. Elizabeth (Young Frankenstein)
200. Bart (Blazing Saddles)
201. Ryan Bingham (Up in the Air)
202. Lionel Logue (The King's Speech)
203. Pike Bishop (The Wild Bunch)
204. Doc & Carol McCoy (The Getaway)
205. Sgt. Kevin Chan (Police Story)
206. Ben (Night of the Living Dead)
207. Peter (Dawn of the Dead)
208. Eric Draven (The Crow)
209. Jonathan Harker (Nosferatu)
210. Jen (The Dark Crystal)
211. Swan (The Warriors)
212. Det. David Mills (Se7en)
213. Willy Wonka (Willy Wonka and the Chocolate Factory)
214. Mortimer Brewster (Arsenic and Old Lace)
215. Jack Ryan (Clear and Present Danger)
216. Ethan Hunt (Mission Impossible)
217. General Maximus (Gladiator)
218. Teddy Daniels (Shutter Island)
219. Anguirus (Godzilla Vs. Gigan)
220. Howard Beale (Network)
221. Bruce Banner (The Incredible Hulk)
222. Mace Windu (Prequel trilogy)
223. Thor (Thor)
224. Ellis "Red" Redding (Shawshank Redemption)
225. James Kirk (Star Trek)
226. Ed Bloom (Big Fish)
227. Bones McCoy (Star Trek)
228. Rick O'Connell (The Mummy)
229. Larry Gopnik (A Serious Man)
230. The Scarecrow (The Wizard of Oz)
231. The Cowardly Lion (The Wizard of Oz)
232. C. C. Baxter (The Apartment)
233. John Malkovich (Being John Malkovich)
234. Jane Burnham (American Beauty)
235. Ricky Fitts (American Beauty)
236. Donny (The Big Lebowski)
237. Dewey Finn (The School of Rock)
238. Walter Sobchak (The Big Lebowski)
239. Dr. Ferreiro (Pan's Labyrinth)
240. Andre Moreau (Scaramouche)
241. Jean de Florette (eponymous movie)
242. Dr. Yuri Zjivago (Dr. Zjivago)
243. Ivan Dragomiloff (The Assassination Bureau)
244. Mrs Brisby (The Secret of NIMH)
245. Harold (Harold and Maude)
246. Maude (Harold and Maude)
247. Pepper Potts (Iron Man)
248. Harry Pfarrer (Burn After Reading)
249. Linda Litzke (Burn After Reading)
250. Chad Feldheimer (Burn After Reading)
251. Clementine (Eternal Sunshine of the Spotless Mind)
252. Wolverine (X-Men Trilogy)
253. Charles Xavier (X-Men Trilogy)
254. Johnny Storm (Fantastic Four)
255. Edward Scissorhands (Edward Scissorhands)
256. Allen Quartermain (League of Extraordinary Gentlemen)

VILLAINS
1. Dracula (Dracula)
2. The Wicked Witch of the West (The Wizard of Oz)
3. Norman Bates (Psycho)
4. The Joker (The Dark Knight)
5. Hannibal Lecter (Silence of the Lambs)
6. Noah Cross (Chinatown)
7. Diana Christensen (Network)
8. Gollum (The Lord of the Rings Trilogy)
9. El Indio (For a Few Dollars More)
10. Buffalo Bill (Silence of the Lambs)
11. Darth Vader (Star Wars Trilogy)
12. T-800 (The Terminator)
13. T-1000 (Terminator 2: Judgement Day)
14. Bill "The Butcher" Cutting (Gangs of New York)
15. The Joker (Batman, 1989)
16. Godzilla (Gojira)
17. Phyllis Dietrichson (Double Indemnity)
18. Bruno Antony (Strangers on a Train)
19. Max Cady (Cape Fear, 1962)
20. Auric Goldfinger (Goldfinger)
21. Baron Victor Frankenstein (Frankenstein)
22. Agent Smith (The Matrix trilogy)
23. Little Bill Daggett (Unforgiven)
24. Warden Norton (Shawshank Redemption)
25. Angel Eyes (The Good, the Bad, and the Ugly)
26. Marsellus Wallace (Pulp Fiction)
27. Michael Myers (Halloween)
28. Nicky Santoro (Casino)
29. Vincent (Collateral)
30. Thulsa Doom (Conan the Barbarian)
31. Captain Hook (Peter Pan 2003)
32. Vito Corleone (The Godfather)
33. Harold Potter (It's a Wonderful Life)
34. Mr. Glass (Unbreakable)
35. Judge Doom (Who Framed Roger Rabbit)
36. Frank-N-Furter (Rocky Horror Picture Show)
37. Jabba the Hutt (Star Wars Trilogy)
38. Audrey II (Little Shop of Horrors)
39. Sweeney Todd (Sweeney Todd)
40. Harry Lime (The Third Man)
41. Preacher Harry Powell (The Night of the Hunter)
42. Dr Mabuse (Dr Mabuse movies)
43. Lady Kaede (Ran)
44. Frank (Once Upon a Time in the West)
45. Daniel Plainview (There Will Be Blood)
46. Hans Beckert (M)
47. Viktor Komarovsky (Dr. Zjivago)
48. Captain Vidal (Pan's Labyrinth)
49. Dr Anthony Phibes (Dr. Phibes movies)
50. Tony Wendice (Dial M for Murder)
51. Scar (The Lion King)
52. Cruella De Vil (101 Dalmatians)
53. Lotso (Toy Story 3)
54. Maleficent (Sleeping Beauty)
55. Syndrome (The Incredibles)
56. Senator Palpatine (Prequel Trilogy)
57. Norman Osborn/the Green Goblin (Spider-Man)
58. Carl Denham (King Kong, 2005)
59. Christof (The Truman Show)
60. Harvey Dent/Two-Face (The Dark Knight)
61. Davy Jones (Pirates of the Caribbean series)
62. Sauron (Lord of the Rings Trilogy)
63. Jafar (Aladdin)
64. Juror #3 (12 Angry Men)
65. Hades (Hercules)
66. Chernabog (Fantasia)
67. Voldemort (Harry Potter Series)
68. Dr. Facilier (Princess and the Frog)
69. Gordon Gecko (Wall Street)
70. Alex DeLarge (A Clockwork Orange)
71. Chigurh (No Country for Old Men)
72. Patrick Bateman (American Psycho)
73. Bonnie Parker (Bonnie and Clyde)
74. Clyde Barrow (Bonnie and Clyde)
75. Tom Ripley (The Talented Mr. Ripley)
76. Alonzo Harris (Training Day)
77. Ghostface Killer (Scream)
78. Sid (Toy Story)
79. Jack Griffin (The Invisible Man)
80. Tai Lung (Kung Fu Panda)
81. Dr. Evil (Austen Powers movies)
82. Gideon Gordon Graves (Scott Pilgrim vs The World)
83. Biff Tannan (Back To The Future Trilogy)
84. Luo Lang (Sword of The Stranger)
85. The Queen (Snow White and the Seven Dwarves)
86. Hans Landa (Inglourious B*sterds)
87. Belloq (Raiders of the Lost Ark)
88. Scarecrow (Batman Begins)
89. Hector Barbossa (Pirates of the Caribbean series)
90. Lo Pan (Big Trouble in Little China)
91. Nurse Ratched (One Flew Over the Cuckoo's Nest)
92. Deacon Frost (Blade)
93. The Stay Puft Marshmallow Man (Ghostbusters)
94. The Tallman (Phantasm series)
95. Col. Kurtz (Apocalypse Now)
96. The Shark (Jaws)
97. Bartleby (Dogma)
98. Adenoid Hinkel (The Great Dictator)
99. Magneto (X-Men Trilogy)
100. Mrs. Danvers (Rebecca)
101. Hank Quinlan (Touch of Evil)
102. Archibald Cunningham (Rob Roy)
103. Roy Batty (Blade Runner)
104. Claudandus (Felidae)
105. Antonio Salieri (Amadeus)
106. Khalibiev (The Love of Jeanne Ney)
107. Caspar Gutman (The Maltese Falcon)
108. Dr. Pretorius (Bride of Frankenstein)
109. Headless Horseman (Adventures of Ichabod and Mr. Toad)
110. Frollo (Hunchback of Notre Dame)
111. Mr. Blonde (Reservoir Dogs)
112. Principal Rooney (Ferris Bueller's Day Off)
113. HAL 9000 (2001: A Space Odyssey)
114. Alex Forrest (Fatal Attraction)
115. Evil (Time Bandits)
116. Oogie Boogie (Nightmare Before Christmas)
117. Mother Gothel (Tangled)
118. Shan Yu (Mulan)
119. Lady Tremaine (Cinderella)
120. Stromboli (Pinocchio)
121. Gaston (Beauty and the Beast)
122. Shere Khan (The Jungle Book)
123. Clayton (Tarzan)
124. Pharaoh (The Ten Commandments)
125. The Child Catcher (Chitty Chitty Bang Bang)
126. The Hunter (Bambi)
127. Lex Luthor (Superman, 1978)
128. The White Witch (The Lion, the Witch, and the Wardrobe)
129. John Milton (The Devil's Advocate)
130. Gil Renard (The Fan)
131. Tony Montana (Scarface)
132. Mrs Eleanor Iselin (The Manchurian Candidate, 1962)
133. General Jack D. Ripper (Dr. Strangelove)
134. Eddie Dane (Miller's Crossing)
135. Coffin Joe (At Midnight I'll Take Your Soul)
136. Ben Wade (3:10 to Yuma, 2007)
137. Frank Costello (The Departed)
138. Freddy Krueger (Nightmare on Elm Street)
139. Roman and Minnie Castevet (Rosemary's Baby)
140. Norman Desmond (Sunset Blvd.)
141. Stephen Fisher (Foreign Correspondent)
142. Lucius Malfoy (Harry Potter series)
143. Bellatrix Lestrange (Harry Potter series)
144. The Wolf Man (The Wolf-Man, 1941)
145. Jack Torrance (The Shining, 1980)
146. William Foster Kane (Citizen Kane)
147. Tuco (The Good, the Bad, and the Ugly)
148. Saruman (The Lord of the Rings Trilogy)
149. Henry Hill (Goodfellas)
150. Frank Booth (Blue Velvet)
151. Randall (Monsters Inc.)
152. Spike (Gremlins)
153. Jack the Ripper (Time After Time)
154. Dean Trumbell (Punch-drunk Love)
155. Zé Pequeno (City of God)
156. General Zod (Superman 2)
157. Christine (Christine)
158. Col. Jessup (A Few Good Men)
159. Charles Lee Ray/Chucky (Child's Play)
160. Ace Merrill (Stand By Me)
161. Beetlejuice (Beetlejuice)
162. Drexl Spivey (True Romance)
163. Mama Fratelli (The Goonies)
164. Tom Helmore (Vertigo)
165. Greg Stillson (The Dead Zone)
166. John Kreese (The Karate Kid, 1984)
167. Lord Farquaad (Shrek)
168. The Fairy Godmother (Shrek 2)
169. Rumplestiltskin (Shrek Forever After)
170. Titan (MegaMind)
171. CLU (Tron: Legacy)
172. Anton Ego (Ratatouille)
173. Skinner (Ratatouille)
174. Mr. Waternoose (Monsters, Inc.)
175. Kronk (The Emperor's New Groove)
176. Yzma (The Emperor's New Groove)
177. The Mayor (Cloudy with a Chance of Meatballs)
178. Rattlesnake Jake (Cloudy with a Chance of Meatballs)
179. Roxy Richter (Scott Pilgrim vs. the World)
180. AUTO (WALL-E)
181. Charles Muntz (Up)
182. Karaba (Kirikou & The Sorceress)
183. The Other Mother (Coraline)
184. Killer BOB (Twin Peaks: Fire Walk With Me)
185. Charlie Prince (3: 10 to Yuma, 2007)
186. Noel, Marquis de Maynes (Scaramouche)
187. The Strangers (Dark City)
188. Max Bialystock (The Producers)
189. Leo Bloom (The Producers)
190. Tommy DeVito (Goodfellas)
191. Nina Sayers (Black Swan)
192. Major Arnold Toht (Raiders of the Lost Ark)
193. Walter Donovan (Indiana Jones and the Last Crusade)
194. Dr. Elsa Schneider (Indiana Jones and the Last Crusade)
195. Andy Hansen (Before the Devil Knows You're Dead)
196. Michael Corleone (The Godfather)
197. Ken (Toy Story 3)
198. Deke Thornton (The Wild Bunch)
199. Rudy Butler (The Getaway)
200. Obadiah Stane (Iron Man)
201. Justin Hammer (Iron Man 2)
202. Top Dollar (The Crow)
203. The Duke (Escape From New York)
204. Count Orlok (Nosferatu)
205. Luther (The Warriors)
206. John Doe (Se7en)
207. Keyser Soze (The Usual Suspects)
208. Cesar and Ugolin (Jean de Florette)
209. Loren Visser (Blood Simple)
210. Le Chiffre (Casino Royale, 2006)
211. Mechagodzilla (Godzilla Vs. Mechagodzilla)
212. King Ghidorah (Godzilla vs. King Ghidorah)
213. Destroyah (Godzilla vs. Destroyah)
214. Hans Gruber (Die Hard)
215. Jason Vorhees (Friday the 13th: Part II)
216. The Mummy (The Mummy, 1932)
217. Imhotep (The Mummy, 1999)
218. Otto Octavius/Doctor Octopus (Spider-Man 2)
219. Craig Schwartz (Being John Malkovich)
220. Lotte Schwartz (Being John Malkovich)
221. Maxine Lund (Being John Malkovich)
222. Col. Frank Fitts (American Beauty)
223. John Laroche (Adaptation)
224. Susan Orleans (Adaptation)
225. Whiplash (Iron Man 2)
226. Jeffrey Lebowski (The Big Lebowski)
227. Jeff D. Sheldrake (The Apartment)
228. Bernie Bernbaum (Miller's Crossing)
229. Ryonosuke Tsukue (Sword of Doom)
230. Strelnikov (Dr. Zjivago)
231. Jenner (The Secret of NIMH)
232. Doyle Lonnegan (The Sting)
233. Loki (Thor)
234. Mrs. Robinson (The Graduate)
235. V (V for Vendetta)
236. Peter Graves (Stalag 17)
237. Carole (Repulsion)
238. Richard (Cul-de-Sac)
239. Osbourne Cox (Burn After Reading)
240. Satan (The Excorcist)
241. The Reaper (The Seventh Seal)
242. Angela Hayes (American Beauty)
243. Jigsaw (Saw)
244. Mystique (X-Men Trilogy)
245. Jumbaa and Pleakley (Lilo & Stitch)
246. Jake LaMotta (Raging Bull)
247. Evelyn Draper (Play Misty for Me)
248. Walter Finch (Insomnia)
249. Scorpio (Dirty Harry)
250. William Stryker (X-Men Trilogy)
251. Sabretooth (X-Men Origins: Wolverine)
252. Owen Davian (Mission Impossible: III)
253. Megatron (Transformers)
254. Mal (Inception)
255. Lord Caldlow (The Prestige)
256. Commodore Norrington (Pirates of the Caribbean series)

[cradleman]

Heroes:
1. Yoda (Star Wars Trilogy)
2. Obi Wan (Prequel Trilogy- Ewan McGregor version)
3. T-800 (Terminator 2: Judgement Day)
4. Godzilla (Godzilla Vs. Mechagodzilla)
5. Sgt. J. J. Sefton (Stalag 17)
6. Travis Bickle (Taxi Driver)
7. Jay and Silent Bob (Jay and Silent Bob Strike Back. and they have to be together, they are two sides of the same coin)
8. Clarice Stalling (Silence of the Lambs)
9. "Fast" Eddie Felson (The Hustler, The Color of Money)
10. Henry Jones, Sr. (The Last Crusade)

Villains
1. Darth Vader (Star Wars Trilogy)
2. T-800 (The Terminator)
3. T-1000 (Terminator 2: Judgement Day)
4. Bill "The Butcher" Cutting (Gangs of New York)
5. The Joker (Batman, 1989)
6. Godzilla (Gojira)
7. Phyllis Dietrichson (Double Indemnity)
8. Bruno Antony (Strangers on a Train)
9. Max Cady (Cape Fear, 1962)
10. Auric Goldfinger (Goldfinger)

[the greenman]

^Cradleman, it's Travis Bickle for Taxi Driver.

I'll come back later with a list.

[cradleman]

^Cradleman, it's Travis Bickle for Taxi Driver.

I'll come back later with a list.
uh, yeah. not sure why i put DeNiro's first name with the character's last, but uh it's fixed now. lol

[the greenman]

1. Jesus (The Passion)
2. Neo (The Matrix trilogy)
3. William Munny (Unforgiven)
4. The Bride (Kill Bill)
5. Doc Brown (Back to the Future trilogy)
6. Daniel Larusso (Karate Kid)
7. Andy Dufresne (Shawshank Redemption)
8. John McClane (Diehard series)
9. Tony Stark (Marvel Universe)
10. John Coffey (The Green Mile)

1. Baron Victor Frankenstein (Frankenstein films)
2. Agent Smith (The Matrix trilogy)
3. Little Bill Daggett (Unforgiven)
4. Warden Norton (Shawshank)
5. Angel Eyes (Good, bad, and ugly)
6. Marsellus Wallace (Pulp Fiction)
7. Michael Myers (Halloween series)
8. Nicky Santoro (Casino)
9. Vincent (Collateral)
10. Thulsa Doom (Conan the Barbarian)

[Superpan]

Heroes
Peter Pan (Peter Pan)
Robin Hood (The Adventures of Robin Hood)
Flash Gordon (Flash Gordon)
Jefferson Smith (Mr. Smith Goes to Washington)
George Bailey (It's a Wonderful Life)
Eddie Vailant (Who Framed Roger Rabbit)
Ripley (Alien)
Ringo Kid (Stagecoach)
Holley Martins (The Third Man)
Qui-Gon Jinn (The Phantom Menace)

Villains
Captain Hook (Peter Pan 2003)
Vito Corleone (The Godfather)
Harold Potter (It's a Wonderful Life)
Mr. Glass (Unbreakable)
Judge Doom (Who Framed Roger Rabbit)
Frank-N-Furter (Rocky Horror Picture Show)
Jabba the Hutt (Star Wars)
Audrey II (Little Shop of Horrors)
Sweeney Todd (Sweeney Todd)
Harry Lime (The Third Man)

Can we nominate the Obi Wan as a character for both trilogies or do we have to split him? Same with Jesus.

[cradleman]

Heroes
Peter Pan
Robin Hood
Flash Gordon
Jefferson Smith
George Bailey
Eddie Vailant
Ripley
Ringo Kid
Holley Martins
Qui-Gon Jinn

Villains
Captain Hook
Vito Corleone
Harold Potter (It's a Wonderful Life)
Mr. Glass
Judge Doom
Frank-N-Furter
Jabba the Hutt
Audrey II
Sweeney Todd
The Wicked Queen (Snow White)

Can we nominate the Obi Wan as a character for both trilogies or do we have to split him? Same with Jesus.
hey, superpan, you need to put the movies with each character.

and the original star wars trilogy already had its quota of 3 heroes nominated, but the prequel trilogy had none and Obi-Wan needed to be nominated, so i used a technicality to get him nominated as well. dunno what you mean by Jesus, unless you are talking about nominating different Jesus's from different movies. cause that seems pointless.

[Blankments]

1. Rocky Balboa (the Rocky movies)
2. King George VI (The King's Speech)
3. Frodo Baggins (the Lord of the Rings trilogy)
4. Woody Pride (the Toy Story trilogy)
5. Superman (Superman, Superman II)
6. Obi-Wan Kenobi (Star Wars, 1977)
7. Truman Burbank (The Truman Show)
8. Marty McFly (the Back to the Future trilogy)
9. Richard Kimble (The Fugitive)
10. Simba (The Lion King)

1. Scar (The Lion King)
2. Cruella De Vil (101 Dalmatians)
3. Lotso (Toy Story 3)
4. Maleficent (Sleeping Beauty)
5. Syndrome (The Incredibles)
6. Senator Palpatine (Star Wars Episode III: Revenge of the Sith)
7. Norman Osborn/the Green Goblin (Spider-Man)
8. Carl Denham (King Kong, 2005)
9. Christof (The Truman Show)
10. Harvey Dent/Two-Face (The Dark Knight) I'm not actually sure if he's hero or villain...

Oh, and I suggest the Queen and Hans Landa for Villain and Jack Sparrow and Ben Gates for Hero.

[cradleman]

1. Rocky Balboa (the Rocky movies)
2. King George VI (The King's Speech)
3. Frodo Baggins (the Lord of the Rings trilogy)
4. Woody Pride (the Toy Story trilogy)
5. Superman (Superman, Superman II)
6. Obi-Wan Kenobi (Star Wars, 1977)
7. Eddie Valiant (Who Framed Roger Rabbit?)
8. Marty McFly (the Back to the Future trilogy)
9. Richard Kimble (The Fugitive)
10. Simba (The Lion King)

1. Scar (The Lion King)
2. Cruella De Vil (101 Dalmatians)
3. Lotso (Toy Story 3)
4. The Queen (Snow White and the Seven Dwarves)
5. Syndrome (The Incredibles)
6. Senator Palpatine (Star Wars Episode III: Revenge of the Sith)
7. Norman Osborn/the Green Goblin (Spider-Man)
8. Carl Denham (King Kong, 2005)
9. Christof (The Truman Show)
10. Harvey Dent/Two-Face (The Dark Knight) I'm not actually sure if he's hero or villain...

Oh, and I suggest Hans Landa and Malificent for Villain and Truman Burbank, Jack Sparrow and Ben Gates for Hero.
hey, blankments, u can't nominate Obi Wan from the original trilogy. Han, Luke and Yoda have already been nominated. that's why he's the prequel trilogy version in my nominations, as opposed to an all encompassing.

[Superpan]

Also, I nominated the Wicked Queen. Actually, never mind, I replace her with Harry Lime.

I would say most of those character's movies were fairly obvious. Also, I vastly prefer Dafoe's Jesus or Garber's Jesus to Caviezel's.

[Blankments]

Oh... I didn't see any of Superpan's nominations. I'll fix mine.

[cradleman]

Also, I nominated the Wicked Queen. Actually, never mind, I replace her with Harry Lime.

I would say most of those character's movies were fairly obvious.
I know about half of em. spidey might know em all, true, i just know he asked for the movie as well as the character.

[SpideyFan914]

Oh, and I suggest the Queen and Hans Landa for Villain and Jack Sparrow and Ben Gates for Hero.

Yeah, I meant to get Hans Landa but forgot, so I'll get him when the noms increase if no one else does. Also Chigurh from No Country for Old Men. You may have noticed that for three years in a row, villains won Best Supporting Actor.

Also, I'm not sure about including Jay and Silent Bob as a single character. I mean, they ARE rather different from each other, even if they're basically inseparable. I guess I'll ask what all of you guys think!

By the way, a quick note - if you think you're going to spoil a movie by categorizing someone as a hero or a villain, DON'T NOMINATE THEM!! Thank you.

[Superpan]

...oh come on, that's ridiculous! Some of the best villains have been surprise twists. Just put Spoiler alerts on the thread.

[SpideyFan914]

...oh come on, that's ridiculous! Some of the best villains have been surprise twists. Just put Spoiler alerts on the thread.

Yeah, but those ones are generally so well-known it isn't really a spoiler anymore. Yes, we all know that Norman Bates is a psycho.

[Superpan]

Well.....one of my nominations has the name of Doom and the other one is established as selling tampered medicine within the first ten minutes of the movie. Besides, I didn't spoil the REAL surprise of that movie. ;)

[the greenman]

Not sure we should be nominating a character twice if their in different films, unless they are drastically different. Meaning, unless Capn Kirk clearly becomes a supervillian in a film (which he never did) there's no reason to nominate him for another single film. We have the Joker twice, but he is still a villian in both. Obi wan and Yoda are still heroes in the original and prequel trilogies.

For instance, Frankenstein can actually be a hero too. He had to destroy his own creation and rescue his assistant one time.

[SpideyFan914]

Not sure we should be nominating a character twice if their in different films, unless they are drastically different. Meaning, unless Capn Kirk clearly becomes a supervillian in a film (which he never did) there's no reason to nominate him for another single film. We have the Joker twice, but he is still a villian in both. Obi wan and Yoda are still heroes in the original and prequel trilogies.

Yeah, I wasn't certain about that one. Anyone else agree with greenman here? C'mon, peoples, I WANT YOUR THOUGHTS!!!!

(Oh, and by the way, about Kirk - since the Star Trek series was a continuation of the TV show, I'm going to count the nomination for the 2009 movie. I think he was in that, right? Please and thank you.)

[SpideyFan914]

Well.....one of my nominations has the name of Doom and the other one is established as selling tampered medicine within the first ten minutes of the movie. Besides, I didn't spoil the REAL surprise of that movie. ;)

No idea what you're talking about, but okay.

By the way, if there's a guy who you thinking is REALLY cool, but it's a major spoiler to give him a way, you can always use some sort of codename. And then just add a note for me not to bring in pictures. It's just that we don't want to be the bleeps who ruin a movie, capiche?

[Superpan]

Not sure we should be nominating a character twice if their in different films, unless they are drastically different. Meaning, unless Capn Kirk clearly becomes a supervillian in a film (which he never did) there's no reason to nominate him for another single film. We have the Joker twice, but he is still a villian in both. Obi wan and Yoda are still heroes in the original and prequel trilogies.

For instance, Frankenstein can actually be a hero too. He had to destroy his own creation and rescue his assistant one time.

I agree. Frankly, I think we let nomination doubles go too easily in these contests. Part of the reason why I always choose to do contests where that's impossible.


No idea what you're talking about, but okay.


....I thought you saw The Third Man....

[the greenman]

Yeah, I wasn't certain about that one. Anyone else agree with greenman here? C'mon, peoples, I WANT YOUR THOUGHTS!!!!

(Oh, and by the way, about Kirk - since the Star Trek series was a continuation of the TV show, I'm going to count the nomination for the 2009 movie. I think he was in that, right? Please and thank you.)

I was thinking about the Star Trek 2009 film. To be fair that's still an extension, so I'll change that.

[SpideyFan914]

....I thought you saw The Third Man....

Ooooooooooooooooooh. Yeah, but that was a while ago, lol. I probably need to rewatch it.... As I recall, I actually saw that twist coming. ;) I might disguise his name in the thread if I can find a way. Just say, "Orson Welles' character" or something. Not really sure....

[Superpan]

...but if you tell them that you-know-who is Orson Welles, that spoils the movie even further!


....Might just want to say the character's name right out because he's established as a crime lord very early on in the movie...

Speaking of great movies, where's Benjamin Braddock?

Also, if we can't spoil movies...

Does that mean Michael Corleone can't be nominated?

[cradleman]

i don't feel like quoting it, but the reason i nominated Nicholson's Joker is that he's played completely different from Heath Ledger's Joker. The ONLY thing they have in common is the name. after that, there's no similarity. Once you watch Batman (1989), Spidey, you'll know what i mean.

[Prof. Mecavio]

Villains:

1. Preacher Harry Powell (The Night of the Hunter)
2. Dr Mabuse (Dr Mabuse movies)
3. Lady Kaede (Ran)
4. Frank (Once Upon a Time in the West)
5. Daniel Plainview (There Will Be Blood) I consider him a villain.
6. Hans Beckert (M)
7. Viktor Komarovsky (Dr. Zjivago)
8. Captain Vidal (Pan's Labyrinth)
9. Dr Anthony Phibes (Dr. Phibes movies)
10. Tony Wendice (Dial M for Murder)

Heroes:

1. Marco Paggot (Porco Rosso)
2. Princess Nausicaä (Nausicaä of the Valley of the Wind)
3. Prince Ashitaka (Princess Mononoke)
4. Detective Marge Gunderson (Fargo)
5. Ulysses Everett McGill (O, Brother Where Art Thou?)
6. Robert Roy MacGregor (Rob Roy)
7. Harmonica (Once Upon a Time in the West)
8. Sanjuro (Yojimbo)
9. Roger Thornhill (North by Northwest)
10. Sam Spade (The Maltese Falcon)

By the way, it makes me glad to see so many of my favorites, on both sides, already nominated.

[SpideyFan914]

I think you guys are taking this spoiler rule too seriously.... It's not really a "rule," per se, just a request. I leave it up to your judgment.

[Prof. Mecavio]

I think you guys are taking this spoiler rule too seriously.... It's not really a "rule," per se, just a request. I leave it up to your judgment.

I decided to remove the spoiler-tags from my number 3, since from what I remember of the movie, it's not so much her being a villain that's a secret, but rather her motives.

[SpideyFan914]

I decided to remove the spoiler-tags from my number 3, since from what I remember of the movie, it's not so much her being a villain that's a secret, but rather her motives.

That movie's based off King Lear, right? It's really high up on my list, so I'll probably see it in the next few weeks.

Also, Blankments, you still need to replace your Obi-Wan nomination since the Star Wars Trilogy has 3 hero nominations. (If I may make a suggestion, I realize that the Tramp of Charlie Chaplin's movies has been absurdly forgotten....)

[Prof. Mecavio]

That movie's based off King Lear, right? It's really high up on my list, so I'll probably see it in the next few weeks.


Yeah, it's based off "King Lear". Although, the character I nominated has no counterpart in Shakespeare's play that I can think of.

[Superpan]

i don't feel like quoting it, but the reason i nominated Nicholson's Joker is that he's played completely different from Heath Ledger's Joker. The ONLY thing they have in common is the name. after that, there's no similarity. Once you watch Batman (1989), Spidey, you'll know what i mean.


To be quite frank....there really isn't. Sure, Jack isn't as Iggy Popish as the Joker and he acts like...well, Jack Nicholson, but their motivations is the same.
The reason that the Joker throws a parade of free money is the same reason that the Joker creates creative ways to force people to choose who gets blown up. Actually, The Dark Knight was kind of repetitive in that aspect, but I digress...

Frankly, I have no idea why Heath Ledgar's Joker is now considered an original character. True, he doesn't use large death-trap devices and dresses in more modern clothes and is slightly "creepier" but so is the Penguin and the Riddler in the current comics and I wouldn't consider them any different from their older versions. The Joker in all his incarnations is a person that seeks to point out the sick jokes of life through violence in a delightful and brightly colored form compared to Batman's more ordered, logical, darker form. I feel that is what the Joker did in The Dark Knight even if it wasn't as obvious or brightly colored.


Now, Ceasar Romero's Joker, there might be an arguement...but even then, the Batman mythos have had so much evolution it's a ridiculous one to have.

[Blankments]

Also, Blankments, you still need to replace your Obi-Wan nomination since the Star Wars Trilogy has 3 hero nominations. (If I may make a suggestion, I realize that the Tramp of Charlie Chaplin's movies has been absurdly forgotten....)

Sorry, but I've never seen those. Slightly ashamed of that. Even so, Jack Sparrow's a great movie hero we don't have yet. Put him up!

[Superpan]

I would also suggest Adenoid Hynkel, Monsieur Verdoux, and the dentist from Little Shop of Horrors as nominees, but I don't have the strength or time to make 10 nominations.

[SpideyFan914]

To be quite frank....there really isn't. Sure, Jack isn't as Iggy Popish as the Joker and he acts like...well, Jack Nicholson, but their motivations is the same.
The reason that the Joker throws a parade of free money is the same reason that the Joker creates creative ways to force people to choose who gets blown up. Actually, The Dark Knight was kind of repetitive in that aspect, but I digress...

Frankly, I have no idea why Heath Ledgar's Joker is now considered an original character. True, he doesn't use large death-trap devices and dresses in more modern clothes and is slightly "creepier" but so is the Penguin and the Riddler in the current comics and I wouldn't consider them any different from their older versions. The Joker in all his incarnations is a person that seeks to point out the sick jokes of life through violence in a delightful and brightly colored form compared to Batman's more ordered, logical, darker form. I feel that is what the Joker did in The Dark Knight even if it wasn't as obvious or brightly colored.


Now, Ceasar Romero's Joker, there might be an arguement...but even then, the Batman mythos have had so much evolution it's a ridiculous one to have.

Actually, I agree with you 100%. Well, I haven't seen Jack Nicholson's Joker, but in relations to the "general" incarnation or Mark Hamill's Joker, or whatever, Heath Ledger's Joker is really the same character. He's simply placed in a more realistic and gritty environment, with some REALLY damn good acting. They didn't really change the character - in fact, they hit him right on the money! But that's why it works so well - because Ledger got the character so perfectly that it surpassed previous incarnations!

However, as for the rule in question, I'm still uncertain. Can we have some sort of official tally here? How many yes, how many nay?

[the greenman]

Spideyfan, I changed my Captain Kirk to Doc Brown. Do we keep Kirk or save Brown for later.

[Gold Guy]

1. Evelyn Salt (Salt)
2. Perseus (Clash of the Titans)
3. Percy Jackson (The Lightning Thief)
4. Johhny Blaze/Ghost Rider (Ghost Rider)
5. Tron (Tron)
6. Sam Flynn (Tron Legacy)
7. Optimus Prime (Transformers)
8. Nemo (Finding Nemo)

Thats all.

[Prof. Mecavio]

1. Believe it or not, we're not limited to action movies. Most movies have at least a hero, even if there are no villains. (A few here and there actually have only villains, but we'll get to that later.)

I'd argue that Unforgiven is one of the movies in wich pretty much everyone is a villain. Sure, Little Bill is the antagonist and a pretty mean bastard but William Munny is, at the end of the day, not much better. Wasn't the central theme of that movie that your past will always catch up with you, one way or another? After all, who could the "unforgiven" of the title be but Munny himself?

[SpideyFan914]

I'd argue that Unforgiven is one of the movies in wich pretty much everyone is a villain. Sure, Little Bill is the antagonist and a pretty mean bastard but William Munny is, at the end of the day, not much better. Wasn't the central theme of that movie that your past will always catch up with you, one way or another? After all, who could the "unforgiven" of the title be but Munny himself?

.... Uh....

I have no idea, I never saw the movie. In fact, I haven't seen any Eastwood-directed movies (though I've been loving the Dollars trilogy so far!). Kind of hard to believe it's better than Goodfellas, though, or Bonnie and Clyde, or Butch Cassidy and the Sundance Kid, or A Clockwork Orange.... By the way, we need to get those characters nominated.

[the greenman]

I'd argue that Unforgiven is one of the movies in wich pretty much everyone is a villain. Sure, Little Bill is the antagonist and a pretty mean bastard but William Munny is, at the end of the day, not much better. Wasn't the central theme of that movie that your past will always catch up with you, one way or another? After all, who could the "unforgiven" of the title be but Munny himself?

I think you're right. I believe Eastwood made the character a man with a very dark past. He did, however, redeem himself by dredging up the old nature for a righteous cause. Was Neo anymore a villian for killing all those security guards to rescue Morpheus? My opinion is Eastwood deliberately allowed the character of William Munny to walk that line just like the characters in Good, bad, and ugly were interchangable and Dirty Harry was a cop who walked that line.


.... Uh....

I have no idea, I never saw the movie. In fact, I haven't seen any Eastwood-directed movies (though I've been loving the Dollars trilogy so far!). Kind of hard to believe it's better than Goodfellas, though, or Bonnie and Clyde, or Butch Cassidy and the Sundance Kid, or A Clockwork Orange.... By the way, we need to get those characters nominated.

Man, I wondered why Eastwood wasn't represented on the filmmaker contest. You are in for a treat when you decide to check him out. Gran Torino is a masterpiece, and anyone who liked Pixar's Up will get that movie as well.

[SpideyFan914]

Man, I wondered why Eastwood wasn't represented on the filmmaker contest. You are in for a treat when you decide to check him out. Gran Torino is a masterpiece, and anyone who liked Pixar's Up will get that movie as well.

Actually, he WAS represented.... and lost in Round One. Sam Raimi murdered the competition in that match, and Mel Brooks just barely beat Eastwood. (Funny thing is, Raimi lost in Rount Two while Brooks is still in.)

[cradleman]

Man, I wondered why Eastwood wasn't represented on the filmmaker contest. You are in for a treat when you decide to check him out. Gran Torino is a masterpiece, and anyone who liked Pixar's Up will get that movie as well.
as spidey mentioned, he somehow got voted out in round one. I tried to get him to advance, but to no avail. too bad too. i absolutely loved Mystic River, and several of his films are on my to see list (most especially Play Misty for Me and Letters from Iwo Jima)

[the greenman]

I always forget Mystic River was one of his. My faves are "Midnight in the Garden of Good & Evil", "Gran Torino", "Million Dollar Baby", & "Unforgiven".

[The Cartoon]

Heroes:

Mulan (Mulan)
Aladdin (Aladdin)
Lucas "Luke" Jackson (Cool Hand Luke)
Henry Drummond (Inherit the Wind)
Fred M. Gailey (Miracle on 34th Street)
Dumbledore (Harry Potter series)
Mahatma Gandi (Gandhi)
Daniel "Rudy" Ruettiger (Rudy)
Gandalf (Lord of the Rings Trilogy)
Dorothy (Wizard of Oz)

Villains:

Davy Jones (Pirates of the Caribbean - Dead Man's Chest)
Sauron (Lord of the Rings Trilogy)
Jafar (Aladdin)
Juror #3 (12 Angry Men)
Hades (Hercules)
Chernabog (Fantasia)
Voldemort (Harry Potter Series)
Dr. Facilier (Princess and the Frog)
Emperor Palpatine (Star Wars Trilogy)
Gordon Gecko (Wall Street)

[SpideyFan914]

Palpatine's already nominated for the prequel trilogy. If you REALLY want to get him up again for the original trilogy, you can, but otherwise you have an extra spot.

[SpideyFan914]

Okay, increasing everyone's nomination limit to 15, meaning you can now nominate another 5 heroes and 5 villains!

For me....

HEROES:
The Tramp (City Lights)
John Merrick (The Elephant Man)
Rick Blaine (Casablanca)
Alvy Singer (Annie Hall)
Annie Hall (Annie Hall)

VILLAINS:
Alex DeLarge (A Clockwork Orange)
Chigurh (No Country for Old Men)
Patrick Bateman (American Psycho)
Bonnie Parker (Bonnie and Clyde)
Clyde Barrow (Bonnie and Clyde)


By the way, if anyone needs some villain suggestions, here's a nice list of 'em....
Tom Ripley
Jaws
Butch Cassidy
The Sundance Kid
Ghostface
Freddy Krueger
Sid (toy story)
Magneto
Roman and Minnie Castevet
Norma Desmond
Mrs. Danvers (rebecca)
Stephen Fisher (foreign correspondent)
Lucius Malfoy
Bellatrix Lestrange
The Wolf-Man

And a slightly shorter list of some heroes we missed:
Charlie Kaufman (adaptation)
Ed Wood
Forrest Gump
Joel Barish (eternal sunshine)
Randy The Ram
Rosemary Woodhouse
Wladysaw Szpilman
Sonny (dog day afternoon)
Elsa Lund
Lester Burnham (american beauty)
Captain Jack Sparrow


Also, isn't it about time we starting arguing over where William Foster Kane belongs? Honestly, he's so double-sided, I kind of wonder if we couldn't get him under both threads....

[cradleman]

i'd say that Bonnie and Clyde should be nominated together. same with butch cassidy and the sundance kid. the latter should be heroes, though, imo.

alright for nominations

Heroes:
1. The Man with No Name (Fistful of Dollars, For a Few Dollars More, The Good the Bad and the Ugly)
2. Dirty Harry Callahan (Dirty Harry)
3. Aragorn (Lord of the Rings Trilogy)
4. Zorro (The Mark of Zorro)
5. Butch Cassidy and the Sundance Kid (Butch Cassidy and the Sundance Kid)

Villains
1. Tom Ripley (The Talented Mr. Ripley)
2. Alonzo Harris (Training Day)
3. Ghostface killer (Scream)
4. Sid (Toy Story)
5. Jack Griffin (The Invisible Man)

[SpideyFan914]

i'd say that Bonnie and Clyde should be nominated together. same with butch cassidy and the sundance kid. the latter should be heroes, though, imo.

I don't think so - all four are fleshed-out characters who are interesting enough on their own. Also, I thought you hadn't seen Butch Cassidy and the Sundance Kid? They're kind of outlaws....

By the way, Man With No Name is already nominated. That actually gives you TWO more nominations! (Unless someone else thinks Butch Cassidy and the Sundance Kid should be heroes, in which case I'll concede.)

[cradleman]

I don't think so - all four are fleshed-out characters who are interesting enough on their own. Also, I thought you hadn't seen Butch Cassidy and the Sundance Kid? They're kind of outlaws....

By the way, Man With No Name is already nominated. That actually gives you TWO more nominations! (Unless someone else thinks Butch Cassidy and the Sundance Kid should be heroes, in which case I'll concede.)
i haven't seen all of Butch Cassidy, i've seen some of it. and they are likeable outlaws. being a criminal doesn't make you a villain.

i guess i'll fill up my ONE empty slot with Batman

[SpideyFan914]

i haven't seen all of Butch Cassidy, i've seen some of it. and they are likeable outlaws. being a criminal doesn't make you a villain.

i guess i'll fill up my ONE empty slot with Batman

The guy in Double Indemnity is likable, too. Doesn't make him a good guy. But we'll see what other people think. (I'm still counting them separately, though.)

And which Batman?

[HEATXZ]

Here's my nominations

Heroes:
Scott Pilgrim(Scott Pilgrim vs The World)
Ace Ventura Pet Detective
Mr.Incredible(Incredibles)
The Mask
Austen Powers
Po(Kung Fu Panda)
Nanashi(Sword of The Stranger)


Villains:
Tai Lung(Kung Fu Panda)
Dr.Evil(Austen Powers movies)
Gideon Gordon Graves(Scott Pilgrim vs The World)
Biff Tannan(Back To The Future Movies)
Broly(Dragon Ball Z Movie:Broly The Legendary Super Saiyan)
Cooler(Dragonball Z Movie: Cooler's Revenge)
Vincent Volaju (Cowboy Bebop Movie)
Luo Lang(Sword of The Stranger)

[Blankments]

Captain Jack Sparrow

I already nominated him.

Forrest Gump (Forrest Gump)
Hiccup (How to Train Your Dragon)
Ben Gates (the National Treasure movies)
Rango (Rango)
Buzz Lightyear (Toy Story)

The Queen (Snow White and the Seven Dwarves)
Hans Landa (Inglourious B*sterds)
Belloq (Raiders of the Lost Ark)
Todd Ingram (Scott Pilgrim vs. the World)
Hector Barbossa (the Pirates of the Caribbean movies)

[the greenman]

H.
Jack Burton (big trouble in little china)
Johnny Smith (Dead Zone)
Blade (Blade)
Marv (Sin City)
Jules Winfield (Pulp Fiction)

V.
Lo Pan (big trouble in little china)
Nurse Ratched (Cuckoos Nest)
Deacon Frost (Blade)
The Stay Puft Marshmallow Man (Ghostbusters)
The Tallman (Phantasm series)

[SpideyFan914]

Here's my nominations

Heroes:
Scott Pilgrim(Scott Pilgrim vs The World)
Ace Ventura Pet Detective
Mr.Incredible(Incredibles)
The Mask
Austen Powers
Po(Kung Fu Panda)
Nanashi(Sword of The Stranger)


Villains:
Tai Lung(Kung Fu Panda)
Dr.Evil(Austen Powers movies)
Gideon Gordon Graves(Scott Pilgrim vs The World)
Biff Tannan(Back To The Future Movies)
Broly(Dragon Ball Z Movie:Broly The Legendary Super Saiyan)
Cooler(Dragonball Z Movie: Cooler's Revenge)
Vincent Volaju (Cowboy Bebop Movie)
Luo Lang(Sword of The Stranger)

Movies within the continuity of TV shows aren't included here, so I had to take out the DBZ and Cowboy Bebop characters.

[Prof. Mecavio]

More villains:

Hank Quinlan (Touch of Evil)
Archibald Cunningham (Rob Roy)
Roy Batty (Blade Runner)
Claudandus (Felidae)

Spideyfan914: I'm thinking of nominating Reinhold from "Berlin Alexanderplatz" as well, but I'm not sure if I should count him as a movie or a tv villain. You see, "Berlin Alexanderplatz" was originally made for televison, but it's also been classified as a movie, albeit one divided into thirteen parts and one epilogue. So, should Reinhold be allowed? I'll leave the decision to you. After all, it's your tournament.

[SpideyFan914]

Spideyfan914: I'm thinking of nominating Reinhold from "Berlin Alexanderplatz" as well, but I'm not sure if I should count him as a movie or a tv villain. You see, "Berlin Alexanderplatz" was originally made for televison, but it's also been classified as a movie, albeit one divided into thirteen parts and one epilogue. So, should Reinhold be allowed? I'll leave the decision to you. After all, it's your tournament.

I.... can't say I know what that is. Basically, it's a mini-series that they re-released as a really long movie? Or was it re-edited or redone into a movie?

[Prof. Mecavio]

I.... can't say I know what that is. Basically, it's a mini-series that they re-released as a really long movie? Or was it re-edited or redone into a movie?

Well, from what I understand, it was originally a mini-series made for televison, but it has also had theatrical releases and is considered to be one of the longest running movies. It's also been included in a few "greatest movies" lists, such as this one. (http://www.time.com/time/specials/packages/completelist/0,29569,1953094,00.html)

I should also point out that I haven't finished it yet. Like I said, it's long.

[SpideyFan914]

Well, from what I understand, it was originally a mini-series made for televison, but it has also had theatrical releases and is considered to be one of the longest running movies. It's also been included in a few "greatest movies" lists, such as this one. (http://www.time.com/time/specials/packages/completelist/0,29569,1953094,00.html)

I should also point out that I haven't finished it yet. Like I said, it's long.

Hm.... I'm kinda leaning to "no" from my understanding of it, but I think I'll leave it up to you just because you seem to have a better understanding of it.

[Prof. Mecavio]

I think I've come up with a solution. Are characters from movie-serials allowed? In that case, I say that Reinhold should be allowed since "Berlin Alexanderplatz" can be considered a movie-serial, seeing as how it was divided into several parts when it was shown in theaters, much like the old "Flash Gordon" serials and so-on.

However, in case you disagree, I'd like to put down Col. Kurtz from "Apocalypse Now" as my reserve.

[SpideyFan914]

I think I've come up with a solution. Are characters from movie-serials allowed? In that case, I say that Reinhold should be allowed since "Berlin Alexanderplatz" can be considered a movie-serial, seeing as how it was divided into several parts when it was shown in theaters, much like the old "Flash Gordon" serials and so-on.

However, in case you disagree, I'd like to put down Col. Kurtz from "Apocalypse Now" as my reserve.

That depends. What's a movie-serial?

[the greenman]

That depends. What's a movie-serial?

In the days before television, they were episodic short films (usually for children, some for adults) that played before matinees. They varied in length from 5 - 15/20 minutes. They had continuity and often told a longer story for returning audiences to catch the next film with. Overtime, some producers have gathered some of those serials and fused them into coherent feature length films.

[SpideyFan914]

In the days before television, they were episodic short films (usually for children, some for adults) that played before matinees. They varied in length from 5 - 15/20 minutes. They had continuity and often told a longer story for returning audiences to catch the next film with. Overtime, some producers have gathered some of those serials and fused them into coherent feature length films.

Ooooooh.... In that case, no, actually, those wouldn't count. They'd go under the same category as shorts.

[Prof. Mecavio]

I'd like to put in a nomination for J.B. Jeffries from Rear Window in the hero category. I suppose he counts as one since him spying on his neighbors leads to a murderer being brought to justice.

[SpideyFan914]

And on that note, I will be increasing nominations once again! 5 more heroes and villains for everyone - THAT'S 20 TOTAL!!

However, in order to get these 5 additional nom.s, I would like to ask a few quick questions of you. Answer 'em up, and we'll get some pollses going:
1. Should multiple versions/reboots of the same character (e.g. The Joker in both Burton's and Nolan's movies) be counted separately or together?
2. For those who have seen Citizen Kane, do you believe Kane himself should be counted as a hero or villain? Also, would you be all right if he were included in both categories? (That's technically two questions, btw.)
3. For those who have seen Butch Cassidy and the Sundance Kid, do you think they should be counted as heroes or villains? Also, should they be included as one nom, or two?
4. SHOULD WE INCREASE TOTAL NOMS TO 256 PER CATEGORY?

I think you already know my thoughts, but I'll PROBABLY just do whatever the majority votes for. It's an unofficial vote in a dictatorship, okay.


My noms:

HEROES
Sonny (Dog Day Afternoon)
Lester Burnham (American Beauty)
Rosemary Woodhouse (Rosemary's Baby)
Elsa Lund (Casablanca)
Ed Wood (Ed Wood)

VILLAINS
The Shark (Jaws)
Bartleby (Dogma)
Adenoid Hinkel (The Great Dictator)
Magneto (X-Men)
Mrs. Danvers (Rebecca)

[the greenman]

How come we have 110 heroes and 100 villians?

1. Should multiple versions/reboots of the same character (e.g. The Joker in both Burton's and Nolan's movies) be counted separately or together?

No, they should be counted together.

2. For those who have seen Citizen Kane, do you believe Kane himself should be counted as a hero or villain? Also, would you be all right if he were included in both categories? (That's technically two questions, btw.)

IDW, haven't seen the movie in years.

3. For those who have seen Butch Cassidy and the Sundance Kid, do you think they should be counted as heroes or villains? Also, should they be included as one nom, or two?

They should be counted as one nom.

4. SHOULD WE INCREASE TOTAL NOMS TO 256 PER CATEGORY?

Sure

I'll return later with my next noms.

[Superpan]

However, in order to get these 5 additional nom.s, I would like to ask a few quick questions of you. Answer 'em up, and we'll get some pollses going:
1. Should multiple versions/reboots of the same character (e.g. The Joker in both Burton's and Nolan's movies) be counted separately or together?
2. For those who have seen Citizen Kane, do you believe Kane himself should be counted as a hero or villain? Also, would you be all right if he were included in both categories? (That's technically two questions, btw.)
3. For those who have seen Butch Cassidy and the Sundance Kid, do you think they should be counted as heroes or villains? Also, should they be included as one nom, or two?
4. SHOULD WE INCREASE TOTAL NOMS TO 256 PER CATEGORY?


1. NO. In every thread, doubles annoy me. It seems unfair to give one character double representation when they're obviously intended to be the same character.
2. I ultimately believe that Charles Foster Kane should be a considered a tragic hero. He really only hurts people close to him and they more or less choose to be part of his world. I'd say he's about as evil as Hamlet. Eh, I'm not a big fan of doubles, but if they're two contests...

Don't really care about the other two questions. Will gett five nominees tomorrow.

[Prof. Mecavio]

Heroes:

The Thief (The Thief of Bagdad, 1924 version) I can't remember if he has a name.
Inigo Montoya (The Princess Bride)
Westley (The Princess Bride)
Chief Martin Brody (Jaws)
Lupin III (as depicted in The Castle of Cagliostro)

I'd include Maetel from "Galaxy Express 999" in the heroes category, but I'm quite certain that there was a rule against characters from movies that are essentially retellings of TV-Shows. Of course, I could be mistaken (I'll have to check the op) but better safe than sorry.

Villains:

Antonio Salieri (Amadeus)
Khalibiev (The Love of Jeanne Ney)
Caspar Gutman (The Maltese Falcon)
Dr. Pretorius (Bride of Frankenstein)

By the way, Spideyfan? What happened with the other four villains I nominated (aside from Kurtz)? I can't find any of them on the list.

Edit: Damn! I forgot the questions.

1. I agree with the previous posters on this one, it seems unfair to have multiple versions of the same character.
2. I haven't seen the movie in a long time, but I seem to remember Kane as a tragic figure more than anything else. I'll have to watch the movie again to see if he qualifies as a tragic hero or a tragic villain though.
3. Haven't seen the movie, but I think they should count as one nom.
4. Sure.

[the greenman]

H.
1. Ethan Edwards (The Searchers)
2. Max Rockatansky (Mad Max)
3. Sarah Conner (The Terminator)
4. Ferris Bueller (Ferris Bueller's Day Off)
5. Foxy Brown (Foxy Brown)

V.
1. Mr. Blonde (Reservoir Dogs)
2. Principal Rooney (Ferris Bueller's Day Off)
3. HAL 9000 (2001: A Space Odyssey)
4. Alex Forrest (Fatal Attraction)
5. Evil (Time Bandits)

[The Cartoon]

So I have 10 more heroes and 11 more villains to nominate. Not sure if I'll be able to come with that much, but I'll try. Shouldn't be too bad if I go with mostly animated movies.

Heroes:

Rapunzel (Tangled)
Flynn Rider (Tangled)
Pinocchio (Pinocchio)
Tarzan (Tarzan)
Merlin (Sword and the Stone)
Milo (Atlantis: The Lost Empire)
Jack Skellington (Nightmare Before Christmas)
Kris Kringle (Miracle on 34th Street)
Harry Potter (Harry Potter Series)
Hercule Poirot (Murder on the Orient Express, 1973)

Villains:

Headless Horseman (Adventures of Ichabod and Mr. Toad)
Frollo (Hunchback of Notre Dame)
Oogie Boogie (Nightmare Before Christmas)
Mother Gothel (Tangled)
Shan Yu (Mulan)
Lady Tremaine (Cinderella)
Stromboli (Pinocchio)
Gaston (Beauty and the Beast)
Shere Khan (The Jungle Book)
Clayton (Tarzan)

[SpideyFan914]

Great to see everyone finally helping answer these questions. Looks like we'll be combining those Joker noms, but I'll hold the decision a little while in case there's a sudden swing of the vote.

Also, because heroes are now over 128 noms anyway, I will raise the number to 256! Yay, bigger threads!


3. For those who have seen Butch Cassidy and the Sundance Kid, do you think they should be counted as heroes or villains? Also, should they be included as one nom, or two?

Under heroes or villains?

[SpideyFan914]

I'd include Maetel from "Galaxy Express 999" in the heroes category, but I'm quite certain that there was a rule against characters from movies that are essentially retellings of TV-Shows. Of course, I could be mistaken (I'll have to check the op) but better safe than sorry.
They're fine, actually. It would be considered an adaptation.


By the way, Spideyfan? What happened with the other four villains I nominated (aside from Kurtz)? I can't find any of them on the list.
Oops!

[Prof. Mecavio]

They're fine, actually. It would be considered an adaptation.

My mistake, I should've checked. Anyway, In that case I'd like to nominate the previously mentioned Maetel. Oh, and Captain Harlock (Arcadia of My Youth and several other movies) as well.

[the greenman]

On Butch & Sundance:

The way I see it, if they make a movie of someone, they are probably presented as a hero to some degree. They even had a cartoon of these guys. But, the way I see it, if it's that shady, allow anyone who's on the line to be in both (if nominated).

[Blankments]

I'm going to disagree with everyone else, and say different versions should count. Why, you may ask? Well, different actors make them different villains. Nicholson's Joker is a different character in the movies than Ledger's, IMO, because Jack Nicholson is obviously NOT Heath Ledger. Furthermore, I'd assume if we did this, it would happen with other villains, meaning my Two-Face nomination would be also on Tommy Lee Jones' version, which is a completely different version than Aaron Eckhart's.

Oh, and I don't think you need more nominations. I'm not sure there's that many TO nominate.

Heroes
Phil Connors (Groundhog Day)
Moses (The Ten Commandments)
Maria Von Trapp (The Sound of Music)
Elliot (E.T. the Extraterrestrial)
Mr. Tibbs (In the Heat of the Night)

Villains
Pharaoh (The Ten Commandments)
The Child Catcher (Chitty Chitty Bang Bang)
The Hunter (Bambi)
Lex Luthor (Superman, 1978)
The White Witch (The Lion, the Witch, and the Wardrobe)

[SpideyFan914]

My mistake, I should've checked. Anyway, In that case I'd like to nominate the previously mentioned Maetel. Oh, and Captain Harlock (Arcadia of My Youth and several other movies) as well.

As heroes or villains? Also, do you have nominations left? I haven't really been keeping track....

[Prof. Mecavio]

As heroes or villains? Also, do you have nominations left? I haven't really been keeping track....

My apologies, I thought that since the actual number of contestants had been increased, we could keep nominating. I'll have to think if there are any of my previous nominees in the "hero" category that I would be willing to sacrifice in favor of these two.

[SpideyFan914]

My apologies, I thought that since the actual number of contestants had been increased, we could keep nominating. I'll have to think if there are any of my previous nominees in the "hero" category that I would be willing to sacrifice in favor of these two.

Don't worry about it - I'll be increasing nominations exponentially rather soon.

[Nouus]

It's only from movies, right ? Characters from series/anime can't be selected, then ?

Heroes :
- Ashitaka (Mononoke Hime)
- Neo (The matrix)
- Batou (Ghost in the shell, innocence especially)

Villains :
- I can't remember the char's name, but in the movie "The devil's advocate", Al Pacino fits wery well the role of the devil.
- Gil Renard (The fan)
- Tony Montana (Scarface)

I could add a lot more if the answer to my question was negative ^^

[SpideyFan914]

It's only from movies, right ? Characters from series/anime can't be selected, then ?

Heroes :
- Ashitaka (Mononoke Hime)
- Neo (The matrix)
- Batou (Ghost in the shell, innocence especially)

Villains :
- I can't remember the char's name, but in the movie "The devil's advocate", Al Pacino fits wery well the role of the devil.
- Gil Renard (The fan)
- Tony Montana (Scarface)

I could add a lot more if the answer to my question was negative ^^

Yup, only movies. Sorry.

Also, Ashitaka and Neo have both already been nominated, ('cause Mononoke Hime = Princess Mononoke, right?).

I looked up The Devil's Advocate for you - name was John Milton, right? It actually sounds like a cool movie; I'll have to add it to my list. ;)


Furthermore, I AM NOW GIVING EVERYONE ANOTHER 15 NOMINATIONS!!! That should get the ball rolling!

[Prof. Mecavio]

Yup, only movies. Sorry.

Also, Ashitaka and Neo have both already been nominated, ('cause Mononoke Hime = Princess Mononoke, right?).

You're absolutely correct.

Heroes:

Master Yupa (Nausicaä of the Valley of the Wind)
Andy Dufresne (The Shawshank Redemption)
Tom Reagan (Miller's Crossing)
Johnny Hooker & Henry Gondorff (The Sting)
Randle P. McMurphy (One Flew Over the Cuckoo's Nest)
Colonel Douglas Mortimer (For A Few Dollars More)

Villains:

Mrs Eleanor Iselin (The Manchurian Candidate, 1962)
General Jack D. Ripper (Dr. Strangelove)
Eddie Dane (Miller's Crossing)
Coffin Joe (At Midnight, I'll Take Your Soul)
Ben Wade (3:10 to Yuma, 2007)

[SpideyFan914]

Oh, by the way, I forgot to mention this, but I think I WILL actually count Butch Cassidy & the Sundance Kid as a hero nom, so, uh, crade never replaced them so they'll be up there whenever I update that first post. Also, Andy Dufresne is already nominated.


HEROES
143. Charlie Kaufman (Adaptation)
144. Joel Barish (Eternal Sunshine of the Spotless Mind)
145. Lilo (Lilo & Stitch)
146. Stitch (Lilo & Stitch)
147. Randy "The Ram" (The Wrestler)
148. Wladysaw Szpilman (The Pianist)
149. Shorty (Indiana Jones and the Temple of Doom)
150. Miriam (Raiders of the Lost Ark)
151. Dr. Marcus Brody (Raiders of the Lost Ark)
152. William Foster Kane (Citizen Kane)
153. Sirius Black (Harry Potter series)
154. Kevin McCallister (Home Alone)
155. Dash (The Incredibles)
156. Elastigirl/Mrs. Incredible (The Incredibles)
157. Dory (The Incredibles)

VILLAINS
137. Frank Costello (The Departed)
138. Freddy Krueger (Nightmare on Elm Street)
139. Roman and Minnie Castevet (Rosemary's Baby)
140. Norman Desmond (Sunset Blvd.)
141. Stephen Fisher (Foreign Correspondent)
142. Lucius Malfoy (Harry Potter series)
143. Bellatrix Lestrange (Harry Potter series)
144. The Wolf Man (The Wolf-Man, 1941)
145. Jack Torrance (The Shining, 1980)
146. William Foster Kane (Citizen Kane)
147. Tuco (The Good, the Bad, and the Ugly)
148. Saruman (The Lord of the Rings Trilogy)
149. Henry Hill (Goodfellas)
150. Frank Booth (Blue Velvet)
151. Randall (Monsters Inc.)

[the greenman]

@ Spideyfan, Tuco, definitely isn't that much of a villain. No more than Blondie was to him. You had to have sympathy for him when he was being tortured.

Anyways, I might reconsider the amount of votes, cause I'm running out.

Heroes

Gizmo -Gremlins
Will Hunting -Good Will Hunting
HG Wells -Time After Time
Chihiro Ogino -Spirited Away
Connor Macleod -Highlander
Inspector "Tequila" Yuen -Hardboiled
Barry Egan -Punch-drunk Love
"Rooster" Cogburn -True Grit
Snake Plisken -Escape From New York
Peter Venkman -Ghostbusters
Adam & Barbara Maitland -Beetlejuice
Jake & Elwood Blues -The Blues Brothers
Clarence Worley & Alabama Whitman -True Romance
Sloth -The Goonies
Scottie Ferguson -Vertigo

Villains

Spike -Gremlins
Jack the Ripper -Time After Time
Dean Trumbell -Punch-drunk Love
Zé Pequeno -City of God
General Zod -Superman 2
Christine -Christine
Col. Jessup -A Few Good Men
Charles Lee Ray/Chucky -Child's Play
Ace Merrill -Stand By Me
Beetlejuice -Beetlejuice
Drexl Spivey -True Romance
Mama Fratelli -The Goonies
Tom Helmore -Vertigo
Greg Stillson -The Dead Zone
John Kreese -The Karate Kid (1984)

[SpideyFan914]

@ Spideyfan, Tuco, definitely isn't that much of a villain. No more than Blondie was to him. You had to have sympathy for him when he was being tortured.

Anyways, I might reconsider the amount of votes, cause I'm running out.

A sympathetic villain is still a villain. But if the Man With No Name STILL doesn't trust him in the end, I'm gonna put him down as a villain. Not as much as Angel Eyes, granted, but he didn't exactly reform at the end of the movie. I mean, when they were reading off his crimes, rape was one of them. He's just as much a villain as Alex DeLarge.


As for number of votes, we're already well over 128 noms, and 256 is the next number that breaks down evenly. And we're still getting loads of guys who are not at all obscure!

[Prof. Mecavio]

Damn it! I must have missed Dufresne on the list somehow. By the way, I have two minor corrections to make regarding the characters below:



150. Miriam (Raiders of the Lost Ark)
151. Dr. Marcus Brody (Raiders of the Lost Ark)


The heroine of "Raiders of the Lost Ark" was named Marion Ravenwood. Oh, and Brody was barely in "Raiders", he did however have a much bigger role in "Indiana Jones and The Last Crusade".

[SpideyFan914]

The heroine of "Raiders of the Lost Ark" was named Marion Ravenwood. Oh, and Brody was barely in "Raiders", he did however have a much bigger role in "Indiana Jones and The Last Crusade".

.... Heheh.... (I've seen that movie about ten times, hence why this is really pathetic.)

I know Brody isn't in Raiders much, but we still have the slot open in either one of the movies, and since it's the same character it kinda just includes the whole trilogy, hence I just put down his first appearance. Doesn't really make a difference.

[Blankments]

Eh, at this point, I'm going to just have to run through my Facebook list of "Liked" movies. I really can't think of any other way to get some noms.

Heroes
Lassie (the Lassie movies)
Shrek (the Shrek movies)
Dom Cobb (Inception)
Colter Stevens (Source Code)
MegaMind (MegaMind)
Kevin Flynn (the Tron movies)
Sam Flynn (Tron: Legacy)
Buddy (Elf)
Remy (Ratatouille)
Linguini (Ratatouille)
Mike Wazowski (Monsters, Inc.)
Sulley (Monsters, Inc.)
Kuzco (The Emperor's New Groove)
Flint Lockwood (Cloudy with a Chance of Meatballs)
Sam Sparks (Cloudy with a Chance of Meatballs)

Villains
Lord Farquaad (Shrek)
The Fairy Godmother (Shrek 2)
Rumplestiltskin (Shrek Forever After)
Titan (MegaMind)
CLU (Tron: Legacy)
Anton Ego (Ratatouille) I don't know if he should count as hero or villain, but I'll just put him here for now.
Skinner (Ratatouille)
Waternoose (Monsters, Inc.)
Kronk (The Emperor's New Groove)
Yzma (The Emperor's New Groove)
The Mayor (Cloudy with a Chance of Meatballs)
Rattlesnake Jake (Cloudy with a Chance of Meatballs)
Roxy Richter (Scott Pilgrim vs. the World)
AUTO (WALL-E)
Charles Muntz (Up)

[the greenman]

A sympathetic villain is still a villain. But if the Man With No Name STILL doesn't trust him in the end, I'm gonna put him down as a villain. Not as much as Angel Eyes, granted, but he didn't exactly reform at the end of the movie. I mean, when they were reading off his crimes, rape was one of them. He's just as much a villain as Alex DeLarge.


As for number of votes, we're already well over 128 noms, and 256 is the next number that breaks down evenly. And we're still getting loads of guys who are not at all obscure!

I guess I see what you mean. It's similar to how I chose Jules over Vincent in Pulp Fiction. We know Vincent continued his lifestyle and paid for it, Jules obviously didn't.

As for the votes. Just a suggestion, I'm pulling teeth.

[SpideyFan914]

I haven't seen Pulp Fiction, actually, but it's pretty high on my list, so yeah.

As for Ego.... Huh.... That's a good question.... Yeah, I guess I'll put him down as villain - he's certainly a fear-mongering antagonist, despite whatever comes to pass. I mean, really, Ego's as much a villain as Kronk is, right?

By the way, if you need some help, here (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/AFI%27s_100_Years...100_Heroes_and_Villains) is AFI's list, with a lot of guys on both lists we haven't nominated yet! (Interestingly, they too classified Butch Cassidy and the Sundance Kid as heroes, although they also put Travis Bickle down as a villain for.... some reason....)

[SpideyFan914]

Also, by the way, Blankments - Sam Flynn has already been nominated (weird since his dad hasn't), so you have one more hero nomination. Might I suggest the cast of Up?

[Prof. Mecavio]

.... Heheh.... (I've seen that movie about ten times, hence why this is really pathetic.)

I know Brody isn't in Raiders much, but we still have the slot open in either one of the movies, and since it's the same character it kinda just includes the whole trilogy, hence I just put down his first appearance. Doesn't really make a difference.

I thought so, it's just that sometimes, I can't resist being a know-it-all. Speaking of which, I'm sure the name of the villain in "Vertigo" was Gavin Elster. Tom Helmore was the name of the actor who played the character in question.

Heroes:

Maetel (Galaxy Express 999: Movie-version)
Captain Harlock (Arcadia of My Youth)
Kirikou (Kirikou & The Sorceress)
Captain Willard (Apocalypse Now)
Francis (Felidae)

Villains:

Karaba (Kirikou & The Sorceress)
The Other Mother (Coraline)
Killer BOB (Twin Peaks: Fire Walk With Me)
Charlie Prince (3: 10 to Yuma, 2007)
Dr. Yen Lo (The Manchurian Candidate, 1962)
The Strangers (Dark City)

[Blankments]

Also, by the way, Blankments - Sam Flynn has already been nominated (weird since his dad hasn't), so you have one more hero nomination. Might I suggest the cast of Up?

I was actually thinking of that when I nominated Charles Muntz, Yeah, put up Carl Fredrickson.

[the greenman]

I thought so, it's just that sometimes, I can't resist being a know-it-all. Speaking of which, I'm sure the name of the villain in "Vertigo" was... Tom Helmore was the name of the actor who played the character in question.


Oh yeah, I was going to ask about spoilers.

[Prof. Mecavio]

Oh yeah, I was going to ask about spoilers.

Well, this is awkward. Sorry.:sweat:
Edit: Hid that part of my previous message under spoiler-tags. If possible recommend you do the same with the portion of it you quoted. Once again, my utmost apologies to everyone.

[SpideyFan914]

Wait, what'd we put him down as?

[the greenman]

Spideyfan, I put down the villain of Vertigo, but to keep from spoiling, I put the actors name. Should I just not put the character down?

[SpideyFan914]

Oooooooooh, gotcha. No, that's smart. (I forgot the guy's name anyway, haha.)

[SpideyFan914]

Okay, ANOTHER 10 NOMINATIONS FOR ALL!

HEROES
193. Jake LaMotta (Raging Bull)
194. Dug (Up)
195. Russell (Up)
196. Marlin (Finding Nemo)
197. Dr. Frankenstein (Young Frankenstein)
198. Igor (Young Frankenstein)
199. Elizabeth (Young Frankenstein)
200. Bart (Blazing Saddles)
201. Ryan Bingham (Up in the Air)
202. Everett (O Brother Where Art Thou?)

VILLAINS
188. Max Bialystock (The Producers)
189. Leo Bloom (The Producers)
190. Tommy DeVito (Goodfellas)
191. Nina Sayers (Black Swan)
192. Major Arnold Toht (Raiders of the Lost Ark)
193. Walter Donovan (Indiana Jones and the Last Crusade)
194. Dr. Elsa Schneider (Indiana Jones and the Last Crusade)
195. Don Vito Corleone (The Godfather) - I mean, I haven't seen the movie, but c'mon!
196. Michael Corleone (The Godfather) - 'cause he's on AFI's list, and it IS Al Pacino, after all....
197. Warden Norton (The Shawshank Redemption)

[the greenman]

197. Warden Norton (The Shawshank Redemption)

I voted him in more than a couple rounds ago.

Heroes

Pike Bishop -The Wild Bunch
Doc & Carol McCoy -The Getaway
Sgt. Kevin Chan -Police Story
Ben -Night of the Living Dead
Peter -Dawn of the Dead
Eric Draven -The Crow
Jonathan Harker -Nosferatu
Jen -The Dark Crystal
Swan -The Warriors
Det. David Mills -Se7en

Villains

Deke Thornton -The Wild Bunch
Rudy Butler -The Getaway
Obadiah Stane -Iron Man
Justin Hammer -Iron Man 2
Top Dollar -The Crow
The Duke -Escape From New York
Count Orlok -Nosferatu
Luther -The Warriors
John Doe -Se7en
Keyser Soze -The Usual Suspects

[Superpan]

Didn't Jonathan Harker have a different name in Murnau's 1922 film or are you refering to the 1979 film?

[the greenman]

Didn't Jonathan Harker have a different name in Murnau's 1922 film or are you refering to the 1979 film?

Your correct, it was actually Hutter. Most of the cast was changed for legal reasons. Herzog's version is on my list, but in some versions of the original, it was changed back to Harker and so on.

[SpideyFan914]

I voted him in more than a couple rounds ago.


Did you now? Did I miss this?

Okay, I'll replace him with Ken from Toy Story 3. Furthermore, I just realized that I once again forgot to nominate Ben from The Graduate, so I'll replace.... Jake LaMotta with him. Because I know crade won't stand for losing Jake, and will thus renominate him.

[the greenman]

Did you now? Did I miss this?

Okay, I'll replace him with Ken from Toy Story 3. Furthermore, I just realized that I once again forgot to nominate Ben from The Graduate, so I'll replace.... Jake LaMotta with him. Because I know crade won't stand for losing Jake, and will thus renominate him.

Norton was #24 on the Villains list.

[cradleman]

Did you now? Did I miss this?

Okay, I'll replace him with Ken from Toy Story 3. Furthermore, I just realized that I once again forgot to nominate Ben from The Graduate, so I'll replace.... Jake LaMotta with him. Because I know crade won't stand for losing Jake, and will thus renominate him.
actually, i see him as more of a villain, but seeing that he should be in this competition one way or the other, i'll do what spideyfan expects and renominate him. I'll nominate others if i get a chance later tonight.

[SpideyFan914]

actually, i see him as more of a villain, but seeing that he should be in this competition one way or the other, i'll do what spideyfan expects and renominate him. I'll nominate others if i get a chance later tonight.

We might be able to pull a Kane with him and nominate him in both categories, if you want.

[The Cartoon]

I might decide to nominate some more later, but I want to make sure that I don't forget to nominate Dr. Lao from "The 7 Faces of Dr. Lao" as a hero. It's an obscure movie, but for those who try to see a large variety of films, I highly recommend seeing it. It's one of my favorites of all time, and Dr. Lao is a teriffic character.

[the greenman]

I remember Dr. Lao. Very interesting film, kinda a precursor to Willy Wonka.

[SpideyFan914]

Oh yeah, someone needs to nominate Wonka. ;)

[The Cartoon]

Willy Wonka (Willy Wonka and the Chocolate Factory) ;)

[Prof. Mecavio]

If there's any place left on the list I'd like to nominate César & Ugolin from Jean de Florette and Loren Visser from Blood Simple in the villain category. If not, than I'll just have to think which of my previous nominees I'd like to see replaced by these three (well, two, since César & Ugolin really should count as one).

Also, I just realised that even if I clumsily revealed the Vertigo villain's name, one would only need to look up the actor to learn the name of the character he played in that movie. Can't believe I didn't realise that before.

[cradleman]

I have 14 hero noms and 15 villain noms right? i haven't done any nominating other than Lamotta since the first expansion.

Heroes:
1. Jack Ryan (Clear and Present Danger)
2. Ethan Hunt (Mission Impossible)
3. General Maxims (Gladiator)
4. Teddy Daniels (Shutter Island)
5. Anguirus (Godzilla Vs. Gigan)
6. Howard Beale (Network)
7. Bruce Banner (The Incredible Hulk)
8. Mace Windu (Prequel trilogy)
9. Thor (Thor) hey, movie's out friday and i'm positive he'd be nominated already had anyone seen it yet, so let's go ahead and put him up.
10. Ellis "Red" Redding (Shawshank Redemption)
11. James Kirk (Star Trek)
12. Spock (Star Trek)
13. Bones McCoy (Star Trek)
14. Rick O'Connell (The Mummy)

Villains:
1. Mechagodzilla (Godzilla Vs. Mechagodzilla)
2. King Ghidorah (Godzilla vs. King Ghidorah)
3. Destroyah (Godzilla vs. Destroyah)
4. Hans Gruber (Die Hard)
5. Jason Vorhees (Friday the 13th: Part II)
6. The Mummy (The Mummy, 1932)
7. Imhotep (The Mummy, 1999)
8. Le Chiffre (Casino Royale, 2006)

I'll fill out the rest of my villains later

[SpideyFan914]

Very well, you leave me with no choice.... Ten more nominations to all!

HEROES
Larry Gopnik (A Serious Man)
The Scarecrow (The Wizard of Oz)
The Cowardly Lion (The Wizard of Oz)
C. C. Baxter (The Apartment)
John Malkovich (Being John Malkovich)
Jane Burnham (American Beauty)
Ricky Fitts (American Beauty)
Donald Kaufman (Adaptation)
Dewey Finn (The School of Rock)
Walter Sobchak (The Big Lebowski)

VILLAINS
Otto Octavius/Doctor Octopus (Spider-Man 2)
Craig Schwartz (Being John Malkovich)
Lotte Schwartz (Being John Malkovich) - not sure if she should be here or in hero, so if anyone protests it I'll change.
Maxine Lund (Being John Malkovich)
Col. Frank Fitts (American Beauty)
John Laroche (Adaptation)
Susan Orleans (Adaptation)
Whiplash (Iron Man 2)
Jeffrey Lebowski (The Big Lebowski)
Jeff D. Sheldrake (The Apartment)

Also, I'll have to replace my Sirius Black nomination with Severus Snape. Hehe, we forgot Snape....

[Prof. Mecavio]

Maxine Lund (Being John Malkovich)

"You're evil, Maxine".

Heroes:

Dr. Ferreiro (Pan's Labyrinth)
Ofelia (Pan's Labyrinth)
Jean de Florette (eponymous movie)
Dr. Yuri Zjivago (Dr. Zjivago)
Jack Burton (Big Trouble in Little China) Although, I think he's already been nominated. If so, I apologise in advance.
Egg Chen (Big Trouble in Little China)
Mrs Brisby (The Secret of NIMH)

Villains:

Bernie Bernbaum (Miller's Crossing)
Johnny Caspar (Miller's Crossing)
Strelnikov (Dr. Zjivago)
Jenner (The Secret of NIMH)

[The Cartoon]

For the villains: Doyle Lonnegan (The Sting)

[Prof. Mecavio]

Heroes:

Henry "Shaw" Gondorff (The Sting)
Johnny "Kelly" Hooker (The Sting)

Villains:

Doyle Lonnegan (The Sting)

Wanted to make sure that that film got represented.

Hate to tell you this, but I already nominated Gondorff & Hooker. Forgot about Lonnegan though.

[The Cartoon]

Oh wow, guess I didn't pay enough attention. :p Glad I'm not the only one who's seen that movie. Thanks Mecavio, I'll edit the post.

[SpideyFan914]

It sounds familiar.... I think it's on my list.

[cradleman]

Oh wow, guess I didn't pay enough attention. :p Glad I'm not the only one who's seen that movie. Thanks Mecavio, I'll edit the post.
i forgot about nominating the sting's villain, but i'd seen mecavio nominate the heroes. such a great movie.

[cradleman]

It sounds familiar.... I think it's on my list.
it is. cause i recommended it. cause it has Paul Newman! and Robert Redford!

[Prof. Mecavio]

it is. cause i recommended it. cause it has Paul Newman! and Robert Redford!

Not to mention Robert Shaw. By the way, have I mentioned that The Sting is one of my favorite movies?

[SpideyFan914]

Hm.... Yeah, okay, I'm breaking the limit. Nominate to your heart's content! ESPECIALLY VILLAINS!!!!!

Harold (Harold and Maude)
Maude (Harold and Maude)
Pepper Potts (Iron Man)
Harry Pfarrer (Burn After Reading)
Linda Litzke (Burn After Reading)
Chad Feldheimer (Burn After Reading)
Clementine (Eternal Sunshine of the Spotless Mind)

Loki (Thor)
Mrs. Robinson (The Graduate)
V (V for Vendetta)
Peter Graves (Stalag 17)
Carole (Repulsion)
Richard (Cul-de-Sac)
Osbourne Cox (Burn After Reading)
Marcello Clerici (The Conformist)
The Reaper (The Seventh Seal)
Elisabeth Vogler (Persona)
Jigsaw (Saw)


(Hey, if you guys can't think up enough villains, I'm just gonna keep nominating these guys you've never heard of, so get on that. Oh, and by the way, I've decided to keep multiple versions separate because we only really have two versions of Joker up there anyway, and we're low on villains anyway. Great reasoning, huh?)

[cradleman]

Heroes:
1. Allen Quartermain (League of Extraordinary Gentlemen)
2. Wolverine (X-Men)
3. Charles Xavier (X-Men)
4. Johnny Storm (Fantastic Four)
5. Kitty Pryde (X-Men 3)

replacing Jake LaMotta as a hero with Nick Fury (Iron Man 2)

Villains:
1. Jake LaMotta (Raging Bull)
2. Frank Abagnale Jr. (Catch Me If You Can)
3. Hedorah (Godzilla vs. Hedorah)
4. Gigan (Godzilla vs. Gigan)
5. Mystique (X-Men)
6. Pyro (X-Men 3)
7. William Stryker (X2: X-men United)
8. Sabretooth (X-Men Origins: Wolverine)
9. Owen Davian (Mission Impossible: III)
10. Andy Hansen (Before the Devil Knows You're Dead)
11. Mal (Inception)
12. Lord Caldlow (The Prestige)
13. Commodore Norrington (Pirates of the Caribbean series)
14. Walter Finch (Insomnia)
15. Scorpio (Dirty Harry)

[SpideyFan914]

Mystique.
Also, Jumbaa and Pleakley. (counting them as one nom)

[cradleman]

so, question for the voting public. are the three x-men movies a real trilogy like Lord of the Rings or Star Wars, or is it just a movie with two sequels like the spider-man movies? i ask since spideyfan doesn't want to allow me to nominate 4 villains from the series. therefore, i bring it to you for a vote. :)

[SpideyFan914]

Actually, I said that the first three should count together since they're all interconnected, each one building on the last. Wolverine: Origins counts separate.

[jph139]

Zatoichi (The Tale of Zatoichi/Zatoichi Series)

[SpideyFan914]

Zatoichi (The Tale of Zatoichi/Zatoichi Series)

Hero? I think we're out of hero noms....

[SpideyFan914]

Villains:
1. Jake LaMotta (Raging Bull)
2. Frank Abagnale Jr. (Catch Me If You Can)
3. Hedorah (Godzilla vs. Hedorah)
4. Gigan (Godzilla vs. Gigan)
5. Mystique (X-Men)
6. Pyro (X-Men 3)
7. William Stryker (X2: X-men United)
8. Sabretooth (X-Men Origins: Wolverine)
9. Owen Davian (Mission Impossible: III)
10. Andy Hansen (Before the Devil Knows You're Dead)
11. Mal (Inception)
12. Lord Caldlow (The Prestige)
13. Commodore Norrington (Pirates of the Caribbean series)
14. Walter Finch (Insomnia)
15. Scorpio (Dirty Harry)

See, my nominations went up before your edit. So Mystique's already up, and you need to choose between Pyro and Stryker. And you still need to get rid of two of these. (In fact, Johnny posted before you too, but I think his was for hero which was already full. See, this is why you don't edit after other people post.)

Furthermore....


NOMINATIONS ARE OFFICIALLY CLOSED!!!! You may continue to replace nominations if you want. The threads will begin in about a week.

[jph139]

Ah, so he is and so they are.

Anyone willing to drop one of their lame nominations for a super badass blind samurai? :p

[Blankments]

So I was rewatching Batman Begins the other day, and I'd like to replace Todd Ingram with Scarecrow. I forgot how cool he was. And also, I'd like to replace Sam Sparks with the Batman from Nolan's films. He deserves to be represented.

[cradleman]

alrighty, deleting Gigan, Hedorah, and Frank Abagnale from the villain list. Keeping the X2 version of Stryker and removing Pyro in order to nominate Evelyn Draper (Play Misty for Me)

[the greenman]

I thought we weren't doing tv adaptations? Someone voted in Star Trek guys and that's from tv. I made the same mistake with the 2009 film, but realized it was still connected to tv trek because of Nimoy. So that means someone still has about three heroes open.

[cradleman]

I thought we weren't doing tv adaptations? Someone voted in Star Trek guys and that's from tv. I made the same mistake with the 2009 film, but realized it was still connected to tv trek because of Nimoy. So that means someone still has about three heroes open.
it's still a remake/reboot. we can do a remake of Star Trek, just like we could have included the guys from the A-team, or Get Smart, or any other remake of a tv show. the guys i nominated from Star Trek are eligible, according to spidey

[the greenman]

it's still a remake/reboot. we can do a remake of Star Trek, just like we could have included the guys from the A-team, or Get Smart, or any other remake of a tv show. the guys i nominated from Star Trek are eligible, according to spidey

Oh, okay then. Well, I just disqualified it for my reasons, and I'm cool with it.

[SpideyFan914]

Hm.... Replacing Elisabeth Vogler with Angela Hayes. In other words, replacing someone you've never heard of with someone you might have heard of.

[Prof. Mecavio]

I'm going to go ahead and replace some of my old nominees, before it's too late.

Heroes:

André Moreau (Scaramouche) replaces Ofelia (Pan's Labyrinth)
Elinore (Scaramouche) replaces Tom Reagan (Miller's Crossing)
Ivan Dragomiloff (The Assassination Bureau) replaces Egg Chen (Big Trouble in Little China).

I consider Dragomiloff a hero in the context of the movie, because while he is an assassin he only seems to kill petty tyrants and dictators. Plus, he prevents a war. Granted, his reasons for doing so were fairly pragmatic ("How can we charge our services when people are slaughtering each other all over the World?"), but still.

Oh, and much as I love both "Pan's Labyrinth" and "Miller's Crossing", I feel that I can sacrifice it's too lead characters without much regret. Great characters, no doubt about that, but I've come to the conclusion that I have a slight preference for the ones mentioned above.

Villains:

Ryonosuke Tsukue (Sword of Doom) replaces Johnny Caspar (Miller's Crossing)
Noel, Marquis de Maynes (Scaramouche) replaces Dr. Yen Lo (The Manchurian Candidate)

I thought I'd already nominated Ryonosuke, but a search yields no results and I can't find him on the "villain" list. Oh, well, he needs to be in the tournament.

[cradleman]

I'll replace Nick Fury with Phil Collins (Groundhog Day), and *sigh* Kitty with Mortimer Brewster (Arsenic and Old Lace)

[Blankments]

I'll replace Nick Fury with Phil Collins (Groundhog Day), and *sigh* Kitty with Mortimer Brewster (Arsenic and Old Lace)

I already nominated Phil...

[cradleman]

I already nominated Phil...
oh, musta missed his name. keeping Kitty then, and replacing Fury with Mortimer Brewster.

[cradleman]

replacing Andy Hansen with Megatron (Transformers) in the villain category.

[Blankments]

I'll replace Colter Stevens with Norville Barnes (The Hudsucker Proxy.) Both of them are pretty unknown, but I think a Coen Brothers movie would be recognizable than a recent sci-fi thriller.

[SpideyFan914]

Okay, my turn. First off, Vito Corleone is apparently up there twice, and one of them was my nomination, so replacing him with Andy Hansen. Next up, replacing that guy from The Conformist with the Devil himself - from The Excorcist. Didn't really care much for the movie, but he certainly deserves a nomination, and I wasn't exactly head-over-heals for The Conformist anyway, which I'm sure no one but the film studs has seen. And for the hero side, I'm replacing Dash (Incredibles) with Kay Adams (The Godfather), Donald Kaufman (Adaptation) with Donny (Big Lebowski).

I want to start today, so make any final replacements soon!

[cradleman]

replacing Kitty with Edward Scissorhands

[cradleman]

and replacing Spock with Edward Bloom (Big Fish)

[SpideyFan914]

Gah!! We have Everett from O Brother Where Art Thou up there twice too!

Okay, I'm replacing my nom of him with Lionel Logue (The King's Speech), because I didn't realized we'd forgotten him, and on that note,

WE'RE OFFICIALLY CLOSED!!!! NO MORE NOMINATING OR REPLACING NOMINATIONS!!!!

I'm randomizing now, so you can expect the threads up shortly as long as I don't get called for dinner.