Greatest X-Men Villain Ever!

[jph139]

The X-Men - hated and feared, forced underground, ready to fight the government whenever they stretch too far. And they're the good guys! When you're on the wrong side of society, you just know you'll have some interesting baddies to take down. Revolutionaries on one hand, ancient evils on the other; the government on Tuesday and ninjas by the weekend. Never a dull moment!

But which one is the greatest? That's for you to decide! 64 entrants, single-elimination, tiebreaks handled by me, so on, so forth. Let's get rolling.

1) Magneto
2) Mystique
3) Apocalypse
4) Dark Phoenix
5) Omega Red
6) Mr. Sinister
7) Sabretooth
8) Eye-Scream
9) Nimrod
10) Sauron
11) Sugar Man
12) Holocaust
13) Juggernaut
14) Dark Beast
15) Thornn
16) Onslaught
17) Phalanx
18) Lady Deathstrike
19) Bastion
20) Scarlet Witch
21) Pyro
22) Shadow King
23) Reverend Stryker
24) Toad
25) Mastermind
26) Quicksilver
27) Bolivar Trask
28) Vanisher
29) Krakoa
30) Lucifer
31) Mojo
32) The Living Monolith
33) Garokk
34) D'ken
35) Spiral
36) Senator Kelly
37) Archangel
38) Sebastian Shaw
39) Sentinels
40) Exodus
41) Mammomax
42) Abyss
43) Avalanche
44) Emma Frost
45) Blob
46) Black Tom Cassady
47) Arcade
48) Proteus
49) Destiny
50) Mesmero
51) Unus the Untouchable
52) Post
53) Spyne
54) Eric the Red
55) Vertigo
56) Deadbolt
57) Steven Lang
58) Caliban
59) Mimic
60) Rogue
61) Deadpool
62) Stryfe
63) Silver Samurai
64) Marrow

ROUND 1!
Sauron vs. D'ken
Spyne vs. Garokk
Nimrod vs. Onslaught
Senator Kelly vs. Dark Beast
Marrow vs. Phalanx
Toad vs. Emma Frost
Eye-Scream vs. Steven Lang
Lady Deathstrike vs. Bolivar Trask
Vertigo vs. Sugar Man
Black Tom Cassady vs. Mystique
Eric the Red vs. Omega Red
Mimic vs. Shadow King
Arcade vs. Magneto
Blob vs. Dark Phoenix
Mesmero vs. Unus the Untouchable
Spiral vs. Vanisher
Mammomax vs. Mastermind
Abyss vs. Juggernaut
Apocalypse vs. Sebastian Shaw
Avalanche vs. Sentinels
Thornn vs. Archangel
Bastion vs. Holocaust
The Living Monolith vs. Deadpool
Silver Samurai vs. Pyro
Quicksilver vs. Stryfe
Caliban vs. Post
Deadbolt vs. Rogue
Lucifer vs. Mr. Sinister
Reverend Stryker vs. Exodus
Krakoa vs. Scarlet Witch
Destiny vs. Mojo
Sabretooth vs. ProteusROUND 2!
Steven Lang vs. Mr. Sinister
Caliban vs. Magneto
Bolivar Trask vs. Sugar Man
Juggernaut vs. Spiral
Mastermind vs. Scarlet Witch
Sentinels vs. Onslaught
Archangel vs. Omega Red
Sauron vs. Apocalypse
Phalanx vs. Destiny
Bastion vs. Pyro
Quicksilver vs. Rogue
Dark Phoenix vs. Deadpool
Shadow King vs. Senator Kelly
Reverend Stryker vs. Sabretooth
Mesmero vs. Toad
Mystique vs. GarokkROUND 3!
Destiny vs. Magneto
Apocalypse vs. Onslaught
Mr. Sinister vs. Sabretooth
Juggernaut vs. Pyro
Mastermind vs. Mesmero
Mystique vs. Quicksilver
Sugar Man vs. Senator Kelly
Omega Red vs. Dark PhoenixROUND 4!
Mr. Sinister vs. Juggernaut
Dark Phoenix vs. Mystique
Apocalypse vs. Mastermind
Senator Kelly vs. MagnetoROUND 5!
Apocalypse vs. Magneto
Dark Phoenix vs. Mr. SinisterFINAL ROUND!
Magneto vs. Dark Phoenix

[jph139]

ROUND 1 | MATCH 1

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The doctor with a scaly, life-sapping alter-ego, Sauron...
VS!
...D'ken, the vile ex-overlord of the Shi'ar Empire!

[HEATXZ]

I'm going with Sauron :anime:

[cradleman]

Sauron

[ShadowStar]

Sauron, because I remember D'Ken being a little bit annoying in X-Men:TAS.

[SpideyFan914]

I hate the Shi'ar, and Sauron's awesome, so Sauron all the way!

[ShadowStar]

I hate the Shi'ar

Even Lilandra? I didn't think she was that bad. Not an amazing character, but not a bad one either.

[SpideyFan914]

Even Lilandra? I didn't think she was that bad. Not an amazing character, but not a bad one either.

I just don't care "X-Men in space" stories. It feels off.

[ShadowStar]

I just don't care "X-Men in space" stories. It feels off.

I vaguely remember you saying that you read the Dark Phoenix arc from the comics and loved it...

[SpideyFan914]

I vaguely remember you saying that you read the Dark Phoenix arc from the comics and loved it...

Definitely. It's one of the greatest comics I've ever read. The only drawback was the Shi'ar.

[Gold Guy]

Sauron for me. BTW, I also hate Lilandra. Ugh.

[The Cartoon]

I'll follow the crowd and say Sauron.

[jph139]

Sauron it is, without a dissenter in the bunch. (By the way, no one is having any trouble with the pictures, are they? I feel like they might be a bit too big.)

ROUND 1 | MATCH 2

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The mutant more monster than man, Spyne...
VS!
...Garokk, the the savage Sun God of the Savage Land!

[cradleman]

pictures look great, Johnny

i'll go with Garokk

[SpideyFan914]

Garokk for me, too, even if just because I have no idea who Spyne is.

Pictures are actually smaller than usual, and surprisingly fit in my preferred browser size, so I'm good.

[HEATXZ]

I voted for Spyne because he has a cool design :anime:

[JasonFox]

Garokk!

[Superpan]

Garokk. Because the picture Johnny chose was the coolest picture in my X-Men Legends 2 strategy guide. Just oozes menace.

[ShadowStar]

Was Spyne a member of that gang that Marrow led when she was still a villain?

I'll go with Garokk for now.

[The Cartoon]

Garokk for me as well.

[jph139]

Man, three days in and I'm already three hours late with the update. :sweat:

ROUND 1 | MATCH 3

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The least threatening looking (and sounding) threat to mutantkind, Nimrod...
VS!
...Onslaught, the nightmare made all too real!

[cradleman]

Nimrod

[HEATXZ]

I vote for Nimrod :anime:

[SpideyFan914]

I know Onslaught's supposed to be awesome, but I'm not too familiar with him, so Nimrod. (And by the way, he's named after an obscure biblical character - Nimrod was the first hunter.)

[Gold Guy]

I'll go with Onslaught.

[The Cartoon]

Ehhhh, Onslaught.

[Superpan]

Onslaught's more of a villain for the whole Marvel universe, but he combines the worst aspects of Professor X and Magneto, so I'll go with him.

[ShadowStar]

Onslaught, easily! I loved the Onslaught saga!

Basically, when Magneto tore the adamantium out of Wolverine, Xavier retaliated by wiping Magneto's mind. Magneto was left catatonic (he was later returned to normal) but his dark side (or part of it) moved into Xavier without him knowing. It took root and Onslaught was born. Eventually (after kicking Juggernaut's ass, amongst other things), Onslaught made his move, taking over control of Xavier's body and using his really advanced telekinetic and telepathic powers against the X-men. Bishop was horrified to realise that the X-traitor he had had come back in time to stop was Xavier himself. Thanks to Bishop, their lives were saved, but Onslaught made his move on the wider Marvel universe, kidnapping Franklin Richards and Nate Grey and devastating New York with his powers. The Fantastic Four, the Avengers and the Hulk got involved and it led to a final battle that resulted in the Fantastic Four and the Avengers (save Quicksilver) sacrificing their lives to destroy Onslaught. Xavier, Franklin and Nate were saved from inside Onslaught but the world was left mourning the loss of all the non-mutant heroes. (It was later revealed in the Heroes Reborn arc that they had been sent to another universe.)

It was an amazing story. Onslaught is not only probably the most powerful foe the X-men ever faced (Apocalypse faced him, along with Cable, bur couldn't take him) but a very personal threat because he's an extension of Xavier. He knows the Professor's secrets and the X-men's weaknesses.

Nimrod is so boring by comparison. (Nimrod's part-human counterpart, Bastion, is better.) I'll be very disappointed if Onslaught doesn't go far in this competition.

[jph139]

Alright, if anyone who didn't get a chance to vote wants to save Nimrod, they can, but it seems Onslaught has won the day.

ROUND 1 | MATCH 4

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The man with the superpowers of the US Government, Senator Kelly...
VS!
...Dark Beast, the twisted geneticist from another world!

[cradleman]

Senator Kelly! whoo-hoo for making war with words and not superpowers! lol

[HEATXZ]

I'm going with Dark Beast

[SpideyFan914]

Kelly, because just like how Johnny always says that Nazis and Comunists make good villains, so do Republicans. :)

[ShadowStar]

Tough one. Dark Beast/Alter Beast had an interesting story arc (kidnapping Beast and taking his place amongst the X-men, then allying himself with Onslaught!) but I think I like the character of Senator Kelly more. Alter Beast is creepy anyway... his murder of Beast's ex (and other people associated with Hank McCoy like one of his school teachers) was horrific. Alter Beast's attachment to the reality of the Age of Apocalypse made him a unique villain, but I like Senator Kelly a bit more.

[cradleman]

Kelly, because just like how Johnny always says that Nazis and Comunists make good villains, so do Republicans. :)
he's a liberal i tell you! a liberal! (and probably a Democrat too. you don't get elected in NYC if you are republican. you should know that, spidey. ;) )

[dcmarvelfanguy]

Senator Kelly.

[The Cartoon]

Hmm, I'll go with Dark Beast here.

[Gold Guy]

I'll go with Dark Beast too. Kelly irks me.

[SpideyFan914]

he's a liberal i tell you! a liberal! (and probably a Democrat too. you don't get elected in NYC if you are republican. you should know that, spidey. ;) )

Dude, his entire platform is about "mutants are an unholy abomination of mankind"! That's a CONSERVATIVE value!

[cradleman]

Dude, his entire platform is about "mutants are an unholy abomination of mankind"! That's a CONSERVATIVE value!
since when? shouldn't i know being conservative and all? lol

[jph139]

Kelly is as bigoted as the worst conservatives and as limp-wristed and controlling as the worst liberals. He's the sort of loathsome politician that crosses all political boundaries. :p

[SpideyFan914]

since when? shouldn't i know being conservative and all? lol

Because the progressives are always on the liberal side. Civil rights? Liberal. Feminism? Liberal. Gay rights? Liberal. Mutants are people too? Definitely liberal.

[Superpan]

I actually don't consider Senator Kelly a villain. Didn't he eventually come around in the comics?

Anywhoo, Dark Beast is such an underused character. Imagine Beast. Now imagine him evil. Now go clean your pants.

[SpideyFan914]

Well, he started off funding Sentinel construction, hence the famous Days of Future Past story arc.

[jph139]

Ooh, our first tie! I get to do something. I'll break for... Senator Kelly. I find the Man vs. Mutant stories a lot more interesting than just Mutant vs. Other Mutants.

ROUND 1 | MATCH 5

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The sharpest member of the monstrous Morlocks, Marrow...
VS!
...the Phalanx, the techno-organic army with a single malicious mind!

[cradleman]

i know Marrow so her, even if the only version i know is the good one found in Wolverine and the X-Men

[ShadowStar]

i know Marrow so her, even if the only version is the good one found in Wolverine and the X-Men

She was in the comics long before Wolverine and the X-men started.

Since Marrow was an X-man for longer than she was a villain, I'm going with the Phalanx. They're the more formidable threat anyway. Alien race and all that. And they kicked the Shi'ar's ass, which should please SpideyFan914.

[Superpan]

The Phalanx, because Marrow's more of a very boring X-Man in my mind.

[cradleman]

She was in the comics long before Wolverine and the X-men started.

Since Marrow was an X-man for longer than she was a villain, I'm going with the Phalanx. They're the more formidable threat anyway. Alien race and all that. And they kicked the Shi'ar's ass, which should please SpideyFan914.
I meant, "the only one that i know" not that the Wolverine and the X-men version was the only one. i just didn't finish my thought for whatever reason, lol. i should fix that.

[HEATXZ]

I'm going with Phalanx

[SpideyFan914]

Meh, don't really care for either. I guess I'll go with Marrow, 'cause I didn't really mind her and I hated the Phalanx episode of X-Men TAS.

ShadowStar, rule of thumb - I generally don't like mutants vs. aliens. I prefer my X-Men earthbound.

[Gold Guy]

The Phalanx. I don't know Marrow.

[The Cartoon]

The Phalanx

[jph139]

Wow, I expected Marrow to run away with that one... but X-Men vs. Space Robots isn't really my bag, so, perhaps I'm odd that way.

ROUND 1 | MATCH 6

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The slimy-, sharp-, and slippery-tongued Mutant Brother, Toad...
VS!
...Emma Frost, the evil, blonde, slutty rival to Jean Grey!

[cradleman]

I wanna give Frost the vote, being a guy and all but Toad is just too damn awesome. he gets my vote

[Superpan]

Toad, because, much like Marrow, Emma Frost is a (lousy) X-(Wo)Man. Besides, Toad is a great henchman.

[cradleman]

Toad, because, much like Marrow, Emma Frost is a (lousy) X-(Wo)Man. Besides, Toad is a great henchman.
Frost is much more a villain than an X-man though, and the Hellfire club stories are some of the greatest X-men stories of them all. but the club is a better villain together than any one of them is separately

[SpideyFan914]

Yeah, Emma Frost was much better in her early appearances. There's one where she starts her own school and convinces Kitty's parents to enroll her there, for instance. And then THE SENTINELS ATTACKED!!

Still, I've gotta go with Toad. He's probably my favorite "joke" villain and is really just plain awesome. Definitely one of the harder matches for this round.

[Gold Guy]

Emma Frost easily. I hate that slimeball Toad.

[HEATXZ]

Both are great but I'm going with Toad :anime:

[The Cartoon]

Ehh, I'll go with Emma Frost. :p

[dcmarvelfanguy]

Toad.

[Superpan]

Yeah, Emma Frost was much better in her early appearances. There's one where she starts her own school and convinces Kitty's parents to enroll her there, for instance. And then THE SENTINELS ATTACKED!!


You'd really think that her parents would have stopped considering her after what happened to them when they talked to her the first time?

Besides, she was a villain for ten years and a member of the X-Men for....20-21 years now. So, she's mostly an X-Woman.

[SpideyFan914]

You'd really think that her parents would have stopped considering her after what happened to them when they talked to her the first time?

Besides, she was a villain for ten years and a member of the X-Men for....20-21 years now. So, she's mostly an X-Woman.

But she's BETTER as a villain!

[Superpan]

Eh, I've only read the stories with the Hellfire Club where she's the villain. In those stories, SEBASTIAN SHAW gets more of my attention. I never felt Emma Frost became her own character until....Grant Morrison got his hands on her and that was long after the point X-Men started becoming aggravating unless you turned your brain off.

[ShadowStar]

Toad, because Emma Frost stole Scott from Jean! :mad:

[jph139]

While I'm disappointed I won't have an excuse to look at pictures of Emma Frost, I'm rather glad Toad ended up winning it. Good show.

ROUND 1 | MATCH 7

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The Mutant whose power has no discernible biological purpose, Eye-Scream...
VS!
...Steven Lang, the government dog with a super-sized hunting pack!

[HEATXZ]

I'm going with Eye Scream who has the power of ice cream :anime:

[ShadowStar]

Stephen Lang, because I have no idea who Eye-Scream is.

My vote for tomorrow's one (since I might not be around) is for Lady Deathstrike.

[SpideyFan914]

Stephen Lang, my favorite of Sentinel creators! He's just so flippin' EVIL! Cyclops said that Stephen Lang is the first of their villains who he ever truly hated (and this was issue 100, by the way, so that's topping even the likes of Magneto and Juggernaut). He has no redeeming qualities, he merely hates mutants, and not because he believes them to be a threat to mankind, but simply because they are different. He is essentially the X-Men's version of Hitler. Definitely a personal fave!

Plus, I have no idea who Eye-Scream is.

[cradleman]

Stephen Lang, my favorite of Sentinel creators! He's just so flippin' EVIL! Cyclops said that Stephen Lang is the first of their villains who he ever truly hated (and this was issue 100, by the way, so that's topping even the likes of Magneto and Juggernaut). He has no redeeming qualities, he merely hates mutants, and not because he believes them to be a threat to mankind, but simply because they are different. He is essentially the X-Men's version of Hitler. Definitely a personal fave!

Plus, I have no idea who Eye-Scream is.
this, 100%

[Superpan]

Stephen Lang. Because he's an okay character and also...what the Hellfire Club is an Eye-Scream?

Wait, is he made of ice cream? Please tell me he's not made of ice cream....

[jph139]

He's definitely made of ice cream.

[Superpan]

Oh, that's just terrible.

[jph139]

So, Jughead wins, of course. Honestly I'm projecting him for first in the whole competition. This is certainly an interesting match-up for the first round, though!

ROUND 1 | MATCH 8

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The blonde bombshell with the girl-next-door charm, Betty Cooper...
VS!
...Veronica Lodge, the rich witch who ALWAYS gets her way!

[ShadowStar]

:D Very funny.

(P.S. I'm back and the vote for Lady Deathstrike when the next match begins still stands. ;))

[SpideyFan914]

Oh, right, because it's April Fool's Day. Haha, very funny....

[HEATXZ]

XD very funny
I vote for Lady Deathstrike/Betty Cooper

[Superpan]

Betty Cooper. Partially because she's cute and partially because....well, Veronica Lodge was an okay Black Queen, but what Betty did to Cyclops was just...just horrifying.

FUN FACT: Marvel had to destroy the print run of that comic because it was so obscene.

Wait, April what now?

[jph139]

I expected more support for Veronica, though to be fair, I've always preferred Betty myself.

...

Alright, yeah, find, here's the next match.

ROUND 1 | MATCH 8

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The one woman you do NOT want to scorn, Lady Deathstrike...
VS!
...Bolivar Trask, the brilliant brain behind the Sentinels!

[JasonFox]

Trask.

[SpideyFan914]

As much as I love Lady Deathstrike, I've gotta go with Trask. His first appearance is one of the X-Men's best stories!

[cradleman]

yes, Bolivar Trask, definitely

[Superpan]

Bolivar Trask. Is this even a contest?

Yes, yes it is.

[Gold Guy]

I'll go with Deathstrike.

[ShadowStar]

Lady Deathstrike, as I said before.

[HEATXZ]

I'm going with Lady Deathstrike :anime:

[jph139]

And so White Guy in a Suit #3 makes it to the next round!

ROUND 1 | MATCH 9

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The savage mutate with dizzying good looks, Vertigo...
VS!
...Sugar Man, the sadistic scum of the alternate Earth!

[HEATXZ]

Both are great but I'm going with Sugarman :anime:

[ShadowStar]

Sugar Man, because he's the most disturbing X-men villain ever (though not the scariest... the scariest one is coming later...), and because I know very little about Vertigo other than the fact that she was one of the Marauders.

[The Cartoon]

Sugar Man

[SpideyFan914]

Only slightly familiar with either one, but I'll actually go with Sugar-Man. 'Cause he kept killing me in X-Men Legends II - I'll admit I underestimated him.

[Superpan]

Sugar Man. I mean look at him. Clear winner here.

[cradleman]

vertigo. i actually know vertigo. no idea who the heck sugar man is.

[Gold Guy]

vertigo. i actually know vertigo. no idea who the heck sugar man is.

Same for me.

[jph139]

Ugly guy wins, pretty girl loses. That's 0/2 with pretty girls so far!

ROUND 1 | MATCH 10

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The chlorophilic mutant and Professor X's brother's keeper, Black Tom Cassidy...
VS!
...Mystique, the femme fatale you'll never see coming!

[SpideyFan914]

Drat - I love Black Tom, but Mystique is the obvious choice here!

Meh, what the heck - I'll give Black Tom Cassidy a pity vote. ;)

[ShadowStar]

Mystique, obviously.

[HEATXZ]

I vote for Black Tom :anime:

[The Cartoon]

Mystique

[cradleman]

Black Tom

[Superpan]

Mystique. This thread looks unfairly biased against pretty girls. and I seek to rectify that.

Also....come on, it's MYSTIQUE! I consider her the X-Men's second biggest enemy.

[SpideyFan914]

Mystique. This thread looks unfairly biased against pretty girls. and I seek to rectify that.

Also....come on, it's MYSTIQUE! I consider her the X-Men's second biggest enemy.

I wouldn't go that far.... My top four is Magneto, Apocalypse, Dark Phoenix, and Sinister. Then comes Mystique, Juggernaut, the Sentinels, and Proteus. Honestly, I just voted Black Tom 'cause I didn't think anyone else would....

[Superpan]

I agree with Magneto.


Apocalypse is a villain that sounds better on paper.

I never count Dark Phoenix (or Archangel for that matter) because Jean Grey's more of a hero than a villain.

However, I will concede that Mr. Sinister SHOULD be the X-Men's second greatest villain, but....his biggest story in the comics is a stoy about demons led by Cyclop's ex-wife invading the Earth.

I'll be gone for two days so my votes are for Omega Red and Shadow King. Though hopefully neither should need my help.

[jph139]

Man, super late, sorry. And it's a tie, too... I'll break for Mystique. I definitely consider her the second biggest X-Men villain, simply for how often she pops up.

Now, for one bloody beat-'em-up.

ROUND 1 | MATCH 11

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The brittle guard of the Shi'ar Empire, Eric the Red...
VS!
...Omega Red, the Soviet super soldier with a savage streak!

[Spike Spiegel]

Man, super late, sorry. And it's a tie, too... I'll break for Mystique. I definitely consider her the second biggest X-Men villain, simply for how often she pops up.

Now, for one bloody beat-'em-up.

ROUND 1 | MATCH 11

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The brittle guard of the Shi'ar Empire, Eric the Red...
VS!
...Omega Red, the Soviet super soldier with a savage streak!

Omega destroys Eric with his "Death Factor."

[HEATXZ]

I vote for Omega Red :anime:

[cradleman]

can you say "lame match"? I guess i'll go with Omega, and i don't even like him

[Gregatron]

Omega Red

[Superpan]

Huh....I guess I miscounted.

Omega Red.

For tomorrow, Shadow King and the day after a pity vote for Arcade. I'm sure Magneto will move on and I LOVE ARCADE.

[dcmarvelfanguy]

Omega Red.

[SpideyFan914]

can you say "lame match"? I guess i'll go with Omega, and i don't even like him

This. Exactly this.

[ShadowStar]

Omega Red.

[jph139]

I think this is the first time someone has gotten NO votes... Omega Red goes on.

ROUND 1 | MATCH 12

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The unstable doppelgänger with a vendetta, Mimic...
VS!
...Shadow King, the nightmarish entity that steals you, body and soul!

[ShadowStar]

Shadow King, because he's creepy. He's nothing amazing really, but the thing is I'm only vaguely familiar with Mimic.

[cradleman]

oh, man this is hard. i really love both villains. i think i'll have to go with Mimic in the end, there's just something so cool about him and i have a feeling that Shadow King will win easily anyway

[Gold Guy]

Shadow King for me.

[The Cartoon]

Gotta go with Shadow King.

[HEATXZ]

I vote for Mimic :anime:

[SpideyFan914]

I was gonna give Mimic a pity vote, but crade and heatxz already have that covered. THE SHADOW KING, because he's awesome!

[jph139]

I'm not much of a Shadow King fan, but forward he goes.

ROUND 1 | MATCH 13

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The maliciously mental mayor of Murderworld, Arcade...
VS!
...Magneto, the mutant-managing master of magnetism!

[cradleman]

Mags, of course

[ShadowStar]

Magneto.

[HEATXZ]

I'm going with Arcade

[SpideyFan914]

Again, I was thinking of giving Arcade a pity vote because he's FLIPPIN' AWESOME, but Mags it is.

[Superpan]

Arcade. He's not going down without a fight!

[JasonFox]

Arcade

[Gold Guy]

Magneto, easily.

[dcmarvelfanguy]

Arcade.

[The Cartoon]

Aw man, my perfect chance to kill Magneto. I still think he's overrated... but it'd be wrong if he lost in the first round. So I'll vote for him.

[SpideyFan914]

Aw man, my perfect chance to kill Magneto. I still think he's overrated... but it'd be wrong if he lost in the first round. So I'll vote for him.

Whew....

[jph139]

Magneto just barely sneaks by... for some reason.

ROUND 1 | MATCH 14

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The immovable mass of mutant meat, Blob...
VS!
...Dark Phoenix, the twisted queen of plague and perdition!

[cradleman]

Dark Phoenix. no question, as much as i love blob he doesn't even compare

[ShadowStar]

Dark Phoenix, of course!

[HEATXZ]

I'm going with Dark Phoenix

[Superpan]

Blob, because I don't consider Dark Phoenix a villain.

[cradleman]

Blob, because I don't consider Dark Phoenix a villain.
. . . what? you realize that Dark Phoenix is NOT jean grey but an entity(the Phoenix) that cloned her and used the clone's body, correct? Dark Phoenix is most definitely a villain, she destroyed an entire solar system

[SpideyFan914]

Yeah, Dark Phoenix possessed Jean Gray. And she killed billions of lives on a utopian planet. And she's FLIPPIN' AWESOME!!!!!!!! I'm voting Dark Phoenix, no question about it! :D

Blob is good in the early comics, but I don't really care for him as a villain....

[Superpan]

. . . what? you realize that Dark Phoenix is NOT jean grey but an entity(the Phoenix) that cloned her and used the clone's body, correct? Dark Phoenix is most definitely a villain, she destroyed an entire solar system

The Phoenix is not a villain. It possessed Jean Grey because it was attracted to the goodness inside her. It only turned evil once it had gotten a taste of different emotions because it didn't know any better and it killed itself out of remorse for an evil deed that John Byrne forced it to do. Later, it came back in recent years as a symbol of life and rebirth.

Saying its a villain is like saying Wolverine's a villain for all those arcs that have him mindcontrolled.

[SpideyFan914]

The Phoenix is not a villain. It possessed Jean Grey because it was attracted to the goodness inside her. It only turned evil once it had gotten a taste of different emotions because it didn't know any better and it killed itself out of remorse for an evil deed that John Byrne forced it to do. Later, it came back in recent years as a symbol of life and rebirth.

Saying its a villain is like saying Wolverine's a villain for all those arcs that have him mindcontrolled.

Well, I don't know what retcon you're talking about, but in the original arc, Professor X managed to fight off the Dark Phoenix after Cyclops reached out to Jean Gray so she could hold it back. Then it began to re-emerge again, and since Jean realized it, she led herself into the Shi'ar traps to sacrifice herself.

[Gold Guy]

Dark Phoenix easily. I hate the Blob so much.

[Superpan]

Well, I don't know what retcon you're talking about, but in the original arc, Professor X managed to fight off the Dark Phoenix after Cyclops reached out to Jean Gray so she could hold it back. Then it began to re-emerge again, and since Jean realized it, she led herself into the Shi'ar traps to sacrifice herself.

Well, I'm talking about the retcon that established that Jean Grey and the Phoenix were two different entities. The one that has been canon since 1986.

Ever read Phoenix: Endsong or X-Men: The End?

If we're referring to Claremont's original intentions, he intended the character to be considered Jean Grey and to be FAR less villainous than she turned out to be.

[SpideyFan914]

If we're referring to Claremont's original intentions, he intended the character to be considered Jean Grey and to be FAR less villainous than she turned out to be.

Uh, not really.... It was quite clear that Jean was possessed.

[Superpan]

No....no, that was never hinted at. In the original arc, Jean was in control of godlike power and just lost control.

In the 1986 retcon, she was in a cocoon at the bottom of Jamaica Bay and the Phoenix was just running around pretending to be her.

[SpideyFan914]

No....no, that was never hinted at. In the original arc, Jean was in control of godlike power and just lost control.

The Dark Phoenix was literally a split-persona. Hence the inner battle between Jean and the Dark Phoenix that allowed Xavier to subdue the force.

[jph139]

Well hey, I don't care what the hell it IS, the thing blew up a solar system. I'd call it a villain.

ROUND 1 | MATCH 15

http://i.imgur.com/HVvlZ.png
The verdant villain with a history of hypnosis, Mesmero...
VS!
...Unus the Untouchable, the psychic shield-bearer without a hint of humility!

[Superpan]

Well, I digress.

This one's a tough match. I'm going with Mesmero.

[Gold Guy]

I find Unus interesting, so I'll vote for him.

[cradleman]

Mesmero. cooler vilain. Unus's power is interesting, but he's rather lame himself

[HEATXZ]

I'm going with Mesmero :anime:

[ShadowStar]

Mesmero, because he was good in X-Men Evolution and because I don't know who Unus is.

[SpideyFan914]

Mesmero is good, but I have to go with UNUS THE UNTOUCHABLE!!! Because he's so lame and cheesy that he's just plain awesome!

[jph139]

Mesmero makes it. What a lame match though, eh? And now we're about halfway through the first round, so... huzzah!

ROUND 1 | MATCH 16

http://i.imgur.com/yOEHW.png
The stunt-damsel warped into a six-armed slave, Spiral...
VS!
...Vanisher, the first teleporter in X-Men history!

[cradleman]

Vanisher! he's AWESOME

[ShadowStar]

Spiral, because the only version of Vanisher I know is the one from Wolverine and the X-men.

[HEATXZ]

I'm going with Spiral

[Superpan]

Vanisher . He was the second X-Men villain and I've always had a fondness for the classics!

[SpideyFan914]

Vanisher . He was the second X-Men villain and I've always had a fondness for the classics!

This! Spiral's cool, but Vanisher's just a tad bit above her. May the sexism continue!

[Gold Guy]

I'm going with Spiral

Me too.

[jph139]

Ooh, I get to tiebreak again... and I go for Shiva, 'cause she was in Marvel vs. Capcom. And with that, we're officially in the second quarter of the competition.

ROUND 1 | MATCH 17

http://i.imgur.com/79UwB.png
The pachydermic prisoner, Mammomax...
VS!
...Mastermind, the least remembered but most feared member of the Brotherhood!

[Gold Guy]

I guess I'll go with Mastermind, even though I don't care for any of these two.

[cradleman]

I guess I'll go with Mastermind, even though I don't care for any of these two.
yup

[ShadowStar]

Mastermind.

[HEATXZ]

I'm going with Mammomax :anime:

[SpideyFan914]

Mastermind, because he's AWESOME!!!!

By the way, isn't Shiva a different character? Or did you just mean Spiral?

[GregX]

Mastermind

[SpideyFan914]

Hey! GregX! I remember you from the TSSM board! :)

[dcmarvelfanguy]

Mastermind.

[jph139]

By the way, isn't Shiva a different character? Or did you just mean Spiral?

Yes, entirely different; I keep typing Shiva for some reason. :sweat: Must be the six arms...

[SpideyFan914]

Yes, entirely different; I keep typing Shiva for some reason. :sweat: Must be the six arms...

'Kay, just so long as you're not voting for the wrong character. ;)

[Superpan]

Mastermind is amazing, thank you very much.

[jph139]

And Mastermind just about sweeps it!

ROUND 1 | MATCH 18

http://i.imgur.com/PK52u.png
The darker son of the demon Azazel, Abyss...
VS!
...Juggernaut, the unstoppable force incarnate!

[HEATXZ]

I'm going with Abyss :anime:

[SpideyFan914]

Juggernaut. Easily.

[cradleman]

Juggernaut. Easily.
agreed

[ShadowStar]

Pity vote for Abyss because he's the scariest X-Men villain ever.

The Age of Apocalypse was the first X-Men story I ever read - I was still quite young and a bit freaked out by that guy. Plus, he was one of Apocalypse's horsemen in The Age of Apocalypse... Not a pushover, to say the least.

Juggernaut is great, of course, but Abyss is a creepy, underrated villain.

[Superpan]

Juggernaut

Abyss is a good video game villain....and that's it.

[Gold Guy]

I think Abyss has cool powers, so he gets my vote.

[The Cartoon]

I've always felt that Juggernaut is overrated. And I think that Abyss is awesome, so I'll go with him.

[SpideyFan914]

I'm going with Abyss :anime:


I think Abyss has cool powers, so he gets my vote.


I've always felt that Juggernaut is overrated. And I think that Abyss is awesome, so I'll go with him.


Pity vote for Abyss because he's the scariest X-Men villain ever.

The Age of Apocalypse was the first X-Men story I ever read - I was still quite young and a bit freaked out by that guy. Plus, he was one of Apocalypse's horsemen in The Age of Apocalypse... Not a pushover, to say the least.

Juggernaut is great, of course, but Abyss is a creepy, underrated villain.

Well, ShadowStar, if that's really just a pity vote you may wanna change your mind now....

[dcmarvelfanguy]

Jugggernaut.

[ShadowStar]

Well, ShadowStar, if that's really just a pity vote you may wanna change your mind now....

It's even now, so as long as jph139 goes with Juggernaut, it'll be fine... ;)

[SpideyFan914]

It's even now, so as long as jph139 goes with Juggernaut, it'll be fine... ;)

Nooooooo, Juggy's down one!!

[cradleman]

Nooooooo, Juggy's down one!!
it's, uh, actually tied

[jph139]

Tied indeed, and I break in favor of Juggernaut. I'm not even sure who Abyss IS.

Oh, and I figure this is as good a place as any to ask X-fans - X-Men Evolution or Wolverine and the X-Men? I haven't really seen either, and can't decide if I should just go ahead and watch Evolution or skip it and wait for Wolverine to start streaming on a website sometime.

ROUND 1 | MATCH 19

http://i.imgur.com/GexHM.png
The millennial mutant with a conqueror's instinct, Apocalypse...
VS!
...Sebastian Shaw, the conniving king of the Hellfire Club!

[cradleman]

X-Men: Evolution is definitely the better show, and one of my all time favorites. season one is a bit slow, but at the same time each character gets at least one episode so that the show gets you to care about them. season 2 is better, and the last 2 seasons are just epic. definitely a must see. I'd recommend Wolvie and the X-Men too, as some of the episodes are really good and a couple are great, but Evo is definitely the better show all around.

Apoc for the match, btw

[HEATXZ]

I'm going with Apocalypse :anime:
Both X Evo and Wolverine Xmen are good

[ShadowStar]

I'm going with Apocalypse. Nothing against Sebastian Shaw though - he's a great villain, the most imposing member of the Hellfire Club.

You should watch X-Men Evolution - a solid, fun show and one of the very best animated series' to come from Marvel.

[Superpan]

Sebastian Shaw. I love this guy! He's sophisticated, colonial, and can just beat you up while helping to unleash the dark demon inside your teamate! Apocalypse is....kind've boring by himself.

X-MEN EVOLUTION. Wolverine and the X-Men was a HUGE disappointment. It was the start of a current trend I'm beginning to see in Marvel cartoons where the writers are so focused on getting in so many characters, story beats, and cool fight scenes that they forget to make three-dimensional characters. X-Men Evolution developed it's characters and while it could get a bit kiddy at times, the story arcs built slowly and had real pay-offs. I never could get invested in Wolverine and the X-Men because they didn't develop the characters. They just kind of assumed that you knew who everyone was and how they acted beforehand....which didn't work.

That said, Wolverine and the X-Men had a great theme song and my personal favorite version of Nightcrawler outside of the comics.

[Gold Guy]

I'll go with Apocalypse.

Anyway, X-Men: Evo I enjoyed more, but Wolverine and the X-Men is darker, so I guess its up to you.

[SpideyFan914]

Apocalypse, and Evo. WatXM had its up and downs, but Evo was a great, solid show. (Also, how is Season Four of Evo anything but dark?)

[ShadowStar]

It was the start of a current trend I'm beginning to see in Marvel cartoons where the writers are so focused on getting in so many characters, story beats, and cool fight scenes that they forget to make three-dimensional characters.

Is that an attack on the characters in Avengers: Earth's Mightiest Heroes, Superpan...? :p


That said, Wolverine and the X-Men had a great theme song and my personal favorite version of Nightcrawler outside of the comics.

The Wolverine and the X-Men theme song was SO generic. Along with the theme for Batman: The Brave and the Bold, it's one of the worst theme songs I've heard for a superhero show IMO.


(Also, how is Season Four of Evo anything but dark?)

"No Good Deed" (which was about the Brotherhood becoming heroes in the public eye) was quite light-hearted. "Cajun Spice" (the Gambit/Rogue episode) wasn't dark either. But I guess the others were somewhat dark... especially "Impact" and "Sins of the Son". Plus "Ghost of a Chance" had a couple of creepy moments.

[Superpan]

Is that an attack on the characters in Avengers: Earth's Mightiest Heroes, Superpan...? :p



The Wolverine and the X-Men theme song was SO generic. Along with the theme for Batman: The Brave and the Bold, it's one of the worst theme songs I've heard for a superhero show IMO.



Yes, it is an attack on that show. It's pretty much like watching a big Gameboy game unfold in front of you.

Yes, the theme song by itself was bad, but the animation was AMAZING. I was talking about the animation. I can't even remember how the song went really, but that was one of the coolest superhero fight scenes I've seen in animation in that opening.

[jph139]

I guess I'll get around to Evolution, then. I remember not liking the later seasons when I was younger, and seeing some bits of the earlier seasons now I'm not really liking them today, but I hear so much praise I suppose I'll have to dig in and see where it goes.

Apocalypse wins, of course. Too bad for Sebastian, though; he's REALLY cool.

ROUND 1 | MATCH 20

http://i.imgur.com/fML43.png
The ground-thunder from... well, Crete, Avalanche...
VS!
...Sentinels, the relentless hunt- TARGET SIGHTED/ EXTERMINATE/ EXTERMINATE/

[cradleman]

pity vote for Avalanche because i LOVED the Evo version

[HEATXZ]

I'm going with Avalanche :anime:

[The Cartoon]

Sentinels

[SpideyFan914]

Sentinels, easy. Other than the Evo version, Avalanche is pretty lame. Heck, even the Evo version isn't nearly as cool as the SENTINELS!!

[ShadowStar]

The Sentinels.

[Superpan]

Avalanche. Because he's got...PERSONALITY! PERSONALITY!

[Gold Guy]

I'll go with Sentinels.

[dcmarvelfanguy]

Avalanche.

[SpideyFan914]

Avalanche. Because he's got...PERSONALITY! PERSONALITY!

He does? I wasn't aware.... Meh, I'll still take the mindless ones.

[Superpan]

He does in my brain...ah, my brain, making uninteresting characters more interesting since 1999.

[jph139]

Another tie! I'll break for the Sentinels, though, 'cause I loves me some giant robots.

ROUND 1 | MATCH 21

http://i.imgur.com/2J8Uf.png
The one Morlock who really bites (and scratches!), Thornn...
VS!
...Archangel, the furthest fallen of Xavier's sons!

[cradleman]

Archangel, easy

[SpideyFan914]

Obviously Archangel!

[Superpan]

Both not really worthy of moving on, but I guess I'll go with Archangel even if he was only evil....for, what, two minutes?

[cradleman]

Both not really worthy of moving on, but I guess I'll go with Archangel even if he was only evil....for, what, two minutes?
a while. he was apocalypse's horseman of death and all

[SpideyFan914]

Not to mention the numerous adaptations he's gotten. In WatXM, he was STILL evil at the end of the season!

[JasonFox]

Archangel!

[ShadowStar]

Archangel.

[HEATXZ]

Archangel :anime:

[Superpan]

a while. he was apocalypse's horseman of death and all

For one story arc until certain possible spoilers pertaining to Iceman snapped him out of it.

Superman's been the bad guy in more stories than this guy!

[Gold Guy]

I'll go with Archangel.

[jph139]

Archangel with the sweep.

ROUND 1 | MATCH 22

http://i.imgur.com/NBFk8.png
The melding of the Master and the monster, Bastion...
VS!
...Holocaust, the nuclear reactor and mass-murderer all in one!

[The Cartoon]

I'll go with Holocaust.

[cradleman]

Bastion: he was cool in the X-Men: Next Generation game

[HEATXZ]

Holocaust :anime:

[Superpan]

Bastion. Holocaust is cool and all, but Bastion is not only a cool looking combination of Master Mold and Nimrod....HE'S ALSO THE CREATOR OF THE PRIME SENTINELS! I love the idea of Sentinels that look like human beings. I mean it's so impractical for giant purple robots to fly around blowing people up. It works much better for human prejudice to be represented by robotic killer humans.

[SpideyFan914]

Hm.... I actually think I read an issue with Holocaust in it, but can't say the same for Bastion.... though I did TECHNICALLY fight him in a game, and I know he's supposed to be cool. I guess I'll pass, just 'cause I'm surprisingly not very familiar with either of these guys.

[ShadowStar]

Hard one. Holocaust is the son of Apocalypse from the Age of Apocalypse and he's a force to be reckoned with. When he came to the main reality, he had a brutal fight with Exodus on Avalon. Like Superpan said though, Bastion created the Prime Sentinels. He launched Operation: Zero Tolerance and I'm pretty sure he hacked the Xavier Protocols, so he learnt all of the teams secrets. He was good in the X-Men: Next Dimension game too. It's close, but I think I'll go with Bastion.

[jph139]

Bastion makes it by a nose.

ROUND 1 | MATCH 23

http://i.imgur.com/FeRc9.png
The, err, living monolith, the Living Monolith...
VS!
...Deadpool, the merc with a mouth!

[cradleman]

Deadpool, of course

[ShadowStar]

Pity vote for the Living Monolith, even though I don't fully understand his history.

[JasonFox]

Deadpool.

[HEATXZ]

I'm going with Deadpool :anime:

[Superpan]

What the....When has Deadpool ever fought the X-Men? When, I ask you, WHEN?!*

LIVING MONOLITH! If it wasn't for him, the X-Men would never have met Havok.







*X-Men Legends 2 doesn't count

[SpideyFan914]

In Ultimate X-Men and in Hulk VS. Wolverine, of course! I vote Deadpool, though I don't think he should go too far. Living Monolith's pretty forgettable....

[Gold Guy]

I'll go with Deadpool, since I don't even really know the Living Monolith.

[Superpan]

In Ultimate X-Men and in Hulk VS. Wolverine, of course! I vote Deadpool, though I don't think he should go too far. Living Monolith's pretty forgettable....

Ultimate X-Men: The only arc with Ultimate Deadpool I remember is the one in Ultimate Spider-Man and arguably that arc was when the Ultimate Universe started going downhill. Ultimate Deadpool is terrible.

Hulk VS: That wasn't the X-Men, that was just Wolverine, YA SILLY! :p

Besides, neither of those were in mainstream continuity. In mainstream continuity, he was an X-Force villain and then he became an anti-hero. Since I don't think we have alot of X-Force fans here, he's probably winning because of his hilarious, more heroic, incarnations rather than his time as a villain.

[dcmarvelfanguy]

Deadpool, because I know him.

[SpideyFan914]

Ultimate X-Men: The only arc with Ultimate Deadpool I remember is the one in Ultimate Spider-Man and arguably that arc was when the Ultimate Universe started going downhill. Ultimate Deadpool is terrible.

Hulk VS: That wasn't the X-Men, that was just Wolverine, YA SILLY! :p

Besides, neither of those were in mainstream continuity. In mainstream continuity, he was an X-Force villain and then he became an anti-hero. Since I don't think we have alot of X-Force fans here, he's probably winning because of his hilarious, more heroic, incarnations rather than his time as a villain.

And, of course, both Wolverine and X-Force are within the X-Men universe.

Also, I'm sure that some of his support is coming from those of us who really just don't care about the Living Monolith. If he were up against Arcade, I'd vote for Arcade. ;)

[jph139]

Deadpool is a character of low moral standing that's generally associated with "X" series. Even if he hasn't technically fought the X-Men (or, at least, not often enough to be considered a true "villain"), he certainly counts as much as, say, Emma Frost or Archangel or Rogue.

[Superpan]

Deadpool is a character of low moral standing that's generally associated with "X" series. Even if he hasn't technically fought the X-Men (or, at least, not often enough to be considered a true "villain"), he certainly counts as much as, say, Emma Frost or Archangel or Rogue.

Well...I only voted for Archangel because he was up against a nobody. Otherwise, I wouldn't have voted for any of those three.

Also...if he was up against Arcade, then I'd vote for Arcade too. Poor Arcade. He went up against the one guy he had no chance of beating.

[SpideyFan914]

Well...I only voted for Archangel because he was up against a nobody. Otherwise, I wouldn't have voted for any of those three.

Also...if he was up against Arcade, then I'd vote for Arcade too. Poor Arcade. He went up against the one guy he had no chance of beating.

I know! Arcade is such an awesome, underappreciated villain! But I suppose being able to say that you ALMOST beat Magneto is impressive enough....

[jph139]

Well, villain or not, Deadpool wins by a landslide! Now this one here, though... this is a good match.

ROUND 1 | MATCH 24

http://i.imgur.com/1oNen.png
The warriors who can cut everything and nothing, Silver Samurai...
VS!
...Pyro, the master manipulator of fearsome fires!

[JasonFox]

Silver Samurai

[HEATXZ]

I vote for Silver Samurai :anime:

[cradleman]

pyro

[ShadowStar]

Pyro, because of X-Men Evolution! But I do think Silver Samurai is one of the best Wolverine villains.

[dcmarvelfanguy]

Pyro, because he has one of the most awesome powers IMO. I did like him in the X-Men movies to.

[Superpan]

Pyro. He's a good example of a two-dimensional character that has been given great depth over the years without overstepping his boundaries.

[Gold Guy]

I'll go with Pyro. I never cared for the Silver Samurai.

[SpideyFan914]

.... How is this a great match again? I mean, other than that I feel no loss in voting out Silver Samurai, 'cause he doesn't stand out in what I've seen of him and Pyro is just so flippin' AWESOME!!!!

So yeah, Pyro.

[jph139]

Alright, I guess it wasn't as good as match as I thought. I dunno, if you ask me, Silver Samurai is MUCH cooler than Pyro! In any case, we're now on the last quarter of the first round...

On the note of Quicksilver, I'm about halfway through the first season of Evolution by now. Off-and-on sort of series so far; highs and lows. I'm reminded of how much I've always HATED Spyke, though. Between him and Nightcrawler... lots of annoying to go around.

ROUND 1 | MATCH 25

http://i.imgur.com/7Zbiu.png
The prodigal son with no shortage of time, Quicksilver...
VS!
...Stryfe, the clone-iest fruit on the Summers family tree!

[Gold Guy]

I'll go with Quicksilver.

Also, Evo gets awesome by season three, once there is more plot.

[cradleman]

yeah, Spyke was annoying in the first 3 seasons, but he made up for it in season 4 big time. and season 1 (and somewhat season 2) is a necessary evil for developing the characters and preparing for the awesomeness that is seasons 3 and 4.

quiksilver, btw

[HEATXZ]

I'm going with Stryfe

[Superpan]

Stryfe.

I always associated Quicksiler more with the Avengers.

[The Cartoon]

Quicksilver