Spectacular Spiderman Question

[maczero]

Was it ever clearly stated that Tombstone was super human? I know he can hang with Spidey, Doc Ock and Silvermane in physical combat but I was never sure if he was supremely skilled or super human.

I know the comic version has super strength but I don't know about SSM's Tombstone.

[Medinnus]

Was it ever clearly stated that Tombstone was super human? I know he can hang with Spidey, Doc Ock and Silvermane in physical combat but I was never sure if he was supremely skilled or super human.

I know the comic version has super strength but I don't know about SSM's Tombstone.


I just finished watching the whole series, and I don't seem to recall it was ever made explicit as such, except by his performance against others (which is clearly indicative of enhanced strength).

[maczero]

I just finished watching the whole series, and I don't seem to recall it was ever made explicit as such, except by his performance against others (which is clearly indicative of enhanced strength).He's also demonstrated pretty impressive reaction times.

[M.O.D.O.K.]

Greg mentioned that he had a specific idea of Tombstone, but preferred to keep it ambiguous for the time being.

[CyclonatorZ]

Greg mentioned that he had a specific idea of Tombstone, but preferred to keep it ambiguous for the time being.

I hope that means he has ideas for how he can someday continue the show in another format. I would so go for a Season 3 in comic book form. :D

[M.O.D.O.K.]

I hope that means he has ideas for how he can someday continue the show in another format. I would so go for a Season 3 in comic book form. :D

Same here. Everything I like lately has been given the comic book format!

This is also why he doesn't share many details on what he could have done in future seaons. Nobody saw Gargoyles getting a spin-off comic, yet it happened.

[Nygma]

Not really but we're shown that other humans can hang with spidey though not outright defeat him (see Hammerhead, Silver Sable, Black Cat, etc.)

I personally think he does based on his intro scene, not by him knocking down Spidey in 5 sec. but by him being able hold him down after that, and Spidey having trouble getting his foot off him.

Though my feelings on whether he has powers have changed somewhat after the question I posted Greg.
I think Tombstone does have Powers, but I think they're more in the range of Spidey's strength level more or less.

[Munkiman]

The first time we see him in the flesh is after he had begun his partnership with Osborn. He could have easily been given an off-screen dosage of some super-strength science.

[Pepperidge]

Same here. Everything I like lately has been given the comic book format!

This is also why he doesn't share many details on what he could have done in future seaons. Nobody saw Gargoyles getting a spin-off comic, yet it happened.

Unfortunately, I think that at this point Disney would prefer to pretend that the series never existed. Is it even running on Disney XD anymore?

As for Tombstone, for some reason I always got the impression that he had an incredibly high pain threshold, and used that to achieve abnormally high strength. I'm not sure what gave me that idea though, since I don't think there's anything in the series that would explicitly verify it.

[M.O.D.O.K.]

Unfortunately, I think that at this point Disney would prefer to pretend that the series never existed. Is it even running on Disney XD anymore?

As for Tombstone, for some reason I always got the impression that he had an incredibly high pain threshold, and used that to achieve abnormally high strength. I'm not sure what gave me that idea though, since I don't think there's anything in the series that would explicitly verify it.

True. It's rather odd to see Disney XD airing every single Spidey series BUT Spectacular.

I personally thought Tombstone was a mutant, but was never officially revealed since they didn't have the rights to the X-Men franchise. A sneaky way of putting the mutant factor in without any complications, and build on it if they got the rights for possible future seasons.

[CyclonatorZ]

Unfortunately, I think that at this point Disney would prefer to pretend that the series never existed.

How fitting, because if that "gargoyles" movie anouncement a while ago is any indication, then they seem to want to forget Greg Weisman's other really notable series as well. Sheesh. :shrug:

[Mistah K88]

As for Tombstone, for some reason I always got the impression that he had an incredibly high pain threshold, and used that to achieve abnormally high strength. I'm not sure what gave me that idea though, since I don't think there's anything in the series that would explicitly verify it.

I agree with this... I think that's how he was in the comics for a while before gaining powers...but then again we'll never know too much about that with the exception that his connection to Robbie Roberson would have been explored had the show continued...



Tombstone/ Robbie would fall under the category of discontinued future plans, which I've pretty much decided there's no upside in me revealing.

[Pepperidge]

True. It's rather odd to see Disney XD airing every single Spidey series BUT Spectacular.

They don't air TNAS, do they? Disney probably wants to sweep any Spider-Man title that Marvel didn't produce under the rug forever.

It certainly doesn't help that Sony has no interest in releasing a season 2 collection on DVD, or a complete collection of the series on Blu-ray. Maybe it's time for a new campaign.

[babykhris]

True. It's rather odd to see Disney XD airing every single Spidey series BUT Spectacular.

I personally thought Tombstone was a mutant, but was never officially revealed since they didn't have the rights to the X-Men franchise. A sneaky way of putting the mutant factor in without any complications, and build on it if they got the rights for possible future seasons.

Well Disney OWNS every single Spidey series BUT Spectacular.

[M.O.D.O.K.]

Well Disney OWNS every single Spidey series BUT Spectacular.

Which is depressing, really. Knowing they outbid all the other networks and bought it just so it could have a slow, painful death.

[Rick Jones]

Which is depressing, really. Knowing they outbid all the other networks and bought it just so it could have a slow, painful death.Well, it was already dead before they got it but at least they gave it a nice burial (not counting the season 2 finale screwup).

[babykhris]

Which is depressing, really. Knowing they outbid all the other networks and bought it just so it could have a slow, painful death.

Someday down the road I hope Disney buys SSM just for catalog sake, but I'm more excited about Ultimate Spider-Man, which will have less of the hangups SSM had (like we see others from Marvel Universe)

[M.O.D.O.K.]

Someday down the road I hope Disney buys SSM just for catalog sake, but I'm more excited about Ultimate Spider-Man, which will have less of the hangups SSM had (like we see others from Marvel Universe)

To be honest, I didn't even mind that. I know Greg had plans with "one team-up a season" including Human Torch, Hulk, Captain America, and the X-Men, but the fact that there were no heroes actually made it better for me. It allowed more focus on Spidey's world.

I know this seems like an odd answer, especially my "Tombstone is a mutant" theory, but...yeah.

[AlgeaX]

My personal thoery; Tombstone was a vampire. Think about it; pale skin, sharp teeth and can anyone recall seeing him outdoors during the day?

[Daxdiv]

My personal thoery; tombstone was a vampire. Think about it; pale skin, sharp teeth and can anyone recall seeing him outdoors during the day?

Can't say that I have. Vampires are known to have superhuman strength in some lore, which is actually a possibility considering how he threw Spider Man around one time.

[adoptedBatpuppy]

When is season 2 coming out on DVD?

[suss2it]

When is season 2 coming out on DVD?

The info hasn't been released. For all we know it never will. Or it might when The Amazing Spider-Man is out in theaters.

[Nygma]

My theory on Lonnie Thompson Lincoln is that when he got his powers, he used them to get everything that he might've wanted. As in taking Silvermane's criminal empire from him, and among other things.

Greg Weisman has always said that the best villains are the ones that are a dark mirror to our protagonist. In my mind, Tombstone sort of equals an outsider/someone people have looked down on nearly his whole life, like Peter Parker. BUT once he got his powers he used his GREAT POWER to pursue his own selfish desires to give himself riches, acclaim, etc. beyond what most people would dream of. Where as Spider-Man uses HIS POWERS to serve the greater good, and didn't use his powers to pursue his selfish desires.

This is part of the reason why I like the idea of Tombstone having powers, that and it immediately doesn't make me think of him as just Kingpin with pale skin, and weighing 200 lb. less(give or take).

Again this is just my theory, I don't know what it is Greg Weisman truly thinks of Tombstone as.

[SpaceWay2008]

I never thought about how Tombstone obtained his super strength. I'm sure we would have found out eventually if this series continued. :sad:

[Medinnus]

In the absence of explicit contradictory evidence, I assume that Tombstone's origin is much the same as in the comics



Born as Lonnie Thompson Lincoln in Harlem, in New York City, Lonnie started out as troubled youth who was bullied by his peers because he was Harlem's only African American albino. He became a school bully, taking protection money (An effortless action as he was taller and stronger than most of the other children). The school newspaper was edited by Joseph "Robbie" Robertson, who was going to run a story on Lonnie's activities but pulled it when Lonnie intimidated him. Lonnie allowed his personal demons to direct the course of his life and he turned to a life of serious crime.

As a hitman and enforcer, Lonnie used his albinism to his advantage. He filed his teeth and nails to points, giving him the appearance of a vampire. This frequently caught his opponents off-guard, making it easier to kill them. He also lifted weights and engaged in many street fights to hone his fighting skills. As an adult he stood over six feet, seven inches tall.


Et cetera, ad naueseum:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tombstone_%28comics%29

[Nygma]

In the absence of explicit contradictory evidence, I assume that Tombstone's origin is much the same as in the comics



Et cetera, ad naueseum:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tombstone_%28comics%29

Except that Tombstone is a crime boss and a highly respected business man/philanthropist in this show. His origin would have to be slightly altered as he ends up in a different position than where he is in the comics. Greg has shown that he's not against taking liberties with certain characters and changing some things about them (see Shocker, Silver Sable, Flash Thompson, Cat Burgular, etc). I think Robbie Robertson would've still played a role in L. Thompson Lincoln's origin, and his future appearances, but I have a feeling it would've been a little different from what we got in the comics.

[Medinnus]

It doesn't matter what Greg's history has shown; he has not actually demonstrably done so here. So, in the absence of explicitly shown variation, my statement stands (and I only put the bare basics here - if you want to read the whole thing, head over to Wiki on the link).

[Nygma]

It doesn't matter what Greg's history has shown; he has not actually demonstrably done so here. So, in the absence of explicitly shown variation, my statement stands (and I only put the bare basics here - if you want to read the whole thing, head over to Wiki on the link).

So your saying it would have all been the same? Doubtful. Also I think it does matter since SSM Tombstone & 616 Tombstone feel like different characters to a certain degree.

[Choppasmith]

Speaking of Tombstone, I just got the S1 DVD set and was curious. Was the reason behind replacing Keith David, his voice in Episode 1 with Kevin Michael Richardson for the rest of the series ever revealed?

[Webbed-Wonder]

Speaking of Tombstone, I just got the S1 DVD set and was curious. Was the reason behind replacing Keith David, his voice in Episode 1 with Kevin Michael Richardson for the rest of the series ever revealed?
I believe it was because of schedule difficulties for Keith David.

[Medinnus]

So your saying it would have all been the same? Doubtful. Also I think it does matter since SSM Tombstone & 616 Tombstone feel like different characters to a certain degree.

Supply proof supporting your contention, or its just an opinion. *shrugs* All of these characters are based on the comics - except where they aren't. Alternate theories without a shred of evidence is just wish-fulfillment.

[Nygma]

Supply proof supporting your contention, or its just an opinion. *shrugs* All of these characters are based on the comics - except where they aren't. Alternate theories without a shred of evidence is just wish-fulfillment.

I have already, stating how this version of Tombstone is alot smarter than the 616 version. Also Tombs was shown to be illiterate, though nothing here has shown he is.
I also already stated that to become a philanthropist, and become a crime boss, it would have to be altered to get him to that point. You can't just tack on 616 tombstone's backstory/origin and instantly expect it to get him there.

Anyways why is it hard for you to accept the possibility of him altering Tombstone's origin when he's already tweaked the said character, AND has tweaked the characters I already mentioned?

[adoptedBatpuppy]

Hmm...I think it is up to the viewers to decide who Tombstone was...or you can ask Greg Weisman about this...

[Medinnus]

Hmm...I think it is up to the viewers to decide who Tombstone was...or you can ask Greg Weisman about this...

Its not an important enough issue; after all, its a dead series. Fanboy imaginings are problematic. :)