The Avengers: Earth's Mightiest Heroes "The Kang Dynasty" Talkback (Spoilers)

[James Harvey]

Discuss this all-new episode of The Avengers: Earth's Mightiest Heroes debuting today at 10:00am (ET) on Disney XD!

http://marvel.toonzone.net/avengersemh/talkback.jpg (http://marvel.toonzone.net/avengersemh/)The Avengers: Earth's Mightiest Heroes "The Kang Dynasty"
Episode Premiere Date: January 23rd, 2011
Kang the Conqueror’s takeover of Earth is well underway, and the Avengers launch a last ditch offensive to stop the time traveler’s plans. What hope do the Avengers have? Kang’s Damocles Base has the power to destroy the world, his technology is more advanced than anything Iron Man has ever seen, and his personal guards are unstoppable. But what secret is Kang hiding that could lead to his downfall?

Comments?

Mod Note: Please keep discussions civilized and on-topic.

[trance2009]

Jan finally did something useful instead of just being the load and comic relief.

[jph139]

Very surprised by the ending of this one. Instead of "poof, Kang's gone, the world is saved, he'll be back" they actually capture him, capture his ship, have SHIELD start poking around up there... out of left field. I wish they had given more focus to Raveanna, though. She doesn't make for good motivation if she's had, like, less than two minutes of screen time in the entire series.

I liked the progression of the show, too; it felt like a lot of movies where you have the crew make noble sacrifices one by one until it's the last hero against the world. Of course, Iron Man and Captain America teaming up on Kang was the best; you know, man of the past and man of the future and all that.

Also, I liked the close up on Cap's shield right after Kang and his whole "conquest is the answer" speech. A bit corny, but I appreciated it.

Also, Mr. Fantastic cameo! With HERBIE! So cool. :D

[Azrayel]

I thought this was a really good episode compared to the first two parts in Kang's appearence. Lot of action, the ending made you wonder what Kang ment, or atleast me, and we see a certain Ultron turn on towards the end.

It was nice to see some Fantastic Four members was shown rather than a picture or just being mentioned.


Also, Mr. Fantastic cameo! With HERBIE! So cool. :D

Don't forget the Human Torch was there too.

[CyclonatorZ]

I'll post my review later, as I only managed to catch the last five minutes of the airing. However, there is one thing I can comment on:


Jan finally did something useful instead of just being the load and comic relief.

Wha? :confused: How has Wasp in any way been a "load" to the team effort? She's contributed just as much as any Avenger, to the point where she's apparently come off as far more useful than in some of her earliest comic appearances. I don't think she's had a single moment where she's been a burden to any of the missions, while some of the most powerful members like Hulk and Thor have caused problems in at least one episode a piece. Also, she may have plenty of funny things to say, but she's also had some very good character moments throughout the series. She's by no means an "unnecessary female team member," and neither is she shallow.

[Webbed-Wonder]

Great conclusion, the outcome of the final battle with Kang was surprising. I liked the Reed Richards and HERBIE cameos, as well as Ultron looking more and more creepy.

[M.O.D.O.K.]

Don't forget the Human Torch was there too.

Where?

[capfan1]

Where?
It looked to be Johnny Storm right after herbie,You only see the top of his head to top chest with the blue uniform.Another epic episode with a suprise ending.I haven't seen a preview for a new episode.Is there a new one next week?

[Wonderwall]

Alright episode, I think of the three parter this one was probably the weakest. I felt that Kang forces were taken down a little too easily. Still not sure why Thor needed a space suit...guess Tony wanted unity in outfits:p.

Seeds of Ultron becoming a menace have been sewn throughout this episode and last. Him having download future tech probably is that last push to super villainy. I also liked Captain's exchange with Kang where he mentions that he isn't the first conquerer that he's faced. And Tony finally getting one up on Cap was nice.

[Sockie]

It looked to be Johnny Storm right after herbie,You only see the top of his head to top chest with the blue uniform.Another epic episode with a suprise ending.I haven't seen a preview for a new episode.Is there a new one next week?

No? After HERBIE, it flashes to Henry Pym. Reed, Pym, HERBIE, Ravonna, and Ultron were the only ones in the room. No Torch in there.

You might be thinking of the blonde SHIELD agent that passed by the screen at 42.

[HEATXZ]

Awesome episode :anime:
the fight scenes were great :anime:

[RoyalRubble]

An amazing conclusion to the Kang the Conqueror story-arc.

The fight scenes between the Avengers and Kang's elite guards (I have no idea what their names are, if they're from the comics too) were perfectly enjoyable. Hawkeye was the first one who managed to start a counter-attack on them, and it worked. The way they arrived to Kang's Damocles base was great as well, with Thor making a heroic sacrifice to stop Kang's weapon, and using the Hulk to open the doors to one of the airlocks on Kang's ship. Hulk's line about "Goldilocks" being tough shows that he cares at least a little about him. :p The way Iron Man and Wasp interacted while fighting Kang's scarabs outside his base in outer space was pretty amusing. I liked how easily Wasp got distracted, and Iron Man's comment about her going nuts. She did manage to get them inside the ship after all, using a rather unique method.

I loved the fight between Captain America, Iron Man and Kang himself. It was great seeing them go all out on Kang, and using Ultron to take control of Kang's technology was a nice touch. The dialogue was great as well, especially Kang's speech about conquering, and I liked how Captain America throws his shield to Iron Man to block Kang's final blow; similar to how Black Panther saved him from Baron Zemo a few episodes ago. I was surprised by the way their battle ended; I wasn't expecting them to lock up Kang in their prison, and try to help save Ravonna. I liked it how it was Wasp who discovered the truth and tried to convince the others to stand down. I liked the little talk Captain America and Iron Man had towards the end of the episode, too.

I just knew that after Thor's heroic act he'll wake up in the hospital, with Jane Foster near him. :D Jan looked great in her street clothes too. I wasn't, however, expecting a cameo from Mr. Fantastic. That was a nice surprise. H.E.R.B.I.E. was there too, but that wasn't nearly as important. :p And Ultron's eyes lighting up on their own like that... I guess we'll see more of him soon. Even Hawkeye mentioned he considered Ultron creepy. And Ant-man's line about why he designed Ultron to look like that was just funny. Even though Black Panther wasn't in this episode, I thought it was a nice touch to mention that Kang's forces were defeated in Wakanda before Kang confronts the Avengers in his base.

On another note, I liked seeing the Avengers in their outer-space armors; all of them had a cool design (maybe except for Hulk's) and I'm glad they didn't need any special armors on the show until now, and I hope they'll use these kind of armors only when they really need too; otherwise it would look too much like the silly Avengers: United They Stand show where they wore armors for just about every mission.

Favorite quote of the episode is from Iron Man: "My tech may not be as advanced as yours, Kang. But I'm a quick study". It is impressive how he managed to re-create Kang's technology to use it against him, with the help of a Ultron unit.

And a little Marvel Animated Chronology about H.E.R.B.I.E. He first appeared in the 1978 The New Fantastic Four series, where he replaced the Human Torch in the team line-up, and he is a member of the currently airing The Super Hero Squad Show. And the computer on the Fantastic Four: World's Greatest Heroes series was also called H.E.R.B.I.E., but it wasn't a small floating robot, just a super-computer that ran the entire laboratory.

So according to Kang, this was only the beginning... Not entirely sure what he was talking about, but I can imagine that being pretty accurate. Can't wait for the next episodes.

[King_of_doom]

Nice conclusion to the Kang arc, sad that Thor didn't get any screen time in this episode but since they show alot of them they have to give chance to the rest of them. lol i just laugh the team up between Iron Man and Wasp, especially how Wasp was getting the attention to the ships so they can create an entrance.

The final battle was cool, i might be the only one but watching Ultron alongside the Avengers thought it was awesome also we learn why Hank choose that design for Ultron's head, i mean i don't know they mention it in the comics but it does explain the design but still its creepy.

Kinda let down that they didn't show Kang's true face yet he's still wearing the mask.





So according to Kang, this was only the beginning... Not entirely sure what he was talking about, but I can imagine that being pretty accurate. Can't wait for the next episodes.
I'm probably wrong over this but i believe he's referring to Ultron, when Kang was fighting if you notice his facial expression towards Ultron shown some suspicion and what Tony mention that Ultron adapt Kang's systems with no prob could mean big trouble, especially at the end i mean that was just creepy the way Ultron turn on his eyes and more that Tom Kane's using his Ultron voice of The Next Avengers.

Of course this will also imply the whole Kree/Skrull invasion but who knows until future episodes.

[Gold Guy]

Another great episode as usual. This show is so fun to watch, and this is one of the episodes that says why. It was exciting, had good action, and the diologue never felt forced. I feel that the whole Ultron thing feels obvious, but he's a good villain, so I shouldn't complain.

Also, FF cameos for the win.

[Munkiman]

Jan finally did something useful instead of just being the load and comic relief.
Because destroying the Kree Sentry almost single-handedly doesn't count as useful?

Not sure what to say about this episode yet, other than awesome, and an excellent end to the trilogy with plenty of foreshadowing for later. Plus, Reed Richards!

[Azrayel]

Where?
To add on more to what capfan1 said, you'll see Johnny for a split second when Captain America and Iron Man are walking towards Kang's cell.

[M.O.D.O.K.]

To add on more to what capfan1 said, you'll see Johnny for a split second when Captain America and Iron Man are walking towards Kang's cell.

That was a random S.H.I.E.L.D. agent, as previously mentioned.

[US_Agent74]

Wowee wow wow. Favorite part is Antman, saying" that's right violence first", and " his head is designed to look like a Ant" lol great banter. Awesome shield work for cap and hawkeye Clint is a true tactician.

[JTMarsh]

Great ep, great action, great team interplay and great cameos. Iron Man even got to use his brain, isn't that nice? ;)

[Monte]

A great episode
Really did love the battle against Kang, but like last episode I almost thought that the fight against Kang's robotic forces went too easily. And y'know I do kind of feel like Wasp has been kinda needing a power upgrade (as she seemed to get in this episode). I mean, compared to what the others can do, her stingers when she's shrunk seem like they can't do that much, outside of a few exceptions... really does seem like she needs to be big to get more real power out of them, but the trade off is that she can't fly when she's big

Though the whole "the princess will die" thing seemed a little off. Mainly because i kind of assumed that everyone who was getting teleported back to their own time was doomed to get wiped out from the timeline. I mean it did not seem like the avengers were really considering the enemy casualties; that's how war is... as such it didn't seem to make as much sense to hold back from dealing the finishing blow to kang over the princess... but i guess as long as they were able to stop kang without sending him back to his time, then its alright... only be bad if they were making the choice between kang continuing the fight and finishing it.

Loved thor taking on that huge attack and the reaction of Kang's minions. Heh, kinda makes you wonder what has become of the "immortals" in the 41st century

They also never did answer how Cap will destroy the future. But that's not so bad since it leaves the air of mystery...
However, Kang's last line gave me a theory on how Cap's existence will somehow lead to the destruction of the world
Civil War...

[Mr. Hypocrite]

Hey! It's Reed!:D

Huh. It's herby.:shrug:

oh. it's ultron.:sweat:

Consequences people. Consequences.

Oh, and by the way Kang; If anything Cap did results in Evil robot related wackiness, then that. is. YOUR. fault. If you hadn't shown, up, and tried to be a jerk, as Iron-man put it so eloquently, than nothing would have happened.

You....... evil........smurf guy you.

(best and cleanest insult I could come up with):sweat:

Are those guys who acted as Kang's elites or whatever from the comics?

And finally, Tony may not be a great leader, but when he steps up, he steps all over scrubs, even if they are from the future.:evil: That being said, I think, or still like to think that the change-over from Tony to Cap as leader will be less a rough spot, and more smooth, with Tony realizing that it is for the best of the team.

That and the stress. He doesn't take it well.

[Medinnus]

Are those guys who acted as Kang's elites or whatever from the comics?


Kind of... assuming those are three of Kang's "Anachronauts", his elite guard made up of the finest warriors plucked from the timestream, IIRC

[Capt. Speedbump]

To all who think the Avengers countered Kang's forces too easily, keep two things in mind:

1. The Avengers themselves (and by extension, the Ultron robots) aren't typical of 21st century forces; indeed they far exceed them.

2. Kang may not have prepared as hard as he could have for this conquest because

a. he felt he didn't have to because he was fighting "neanderthals"

b. he may have thrown the conquest army together in haste, as he was given little time to prepare before his timeline bcame affected.

3. What Kang's forces may have lacked in durability, they made up for in sheer numbers; sure the Avengers defended New York City, but practically every other major city on Earth fell hard.

4. According to the comics, when Kang first landed in the 40th century, he said the weapons used "had been designed by smarter humans long ago". Remember, Kang used 40th century technology, but he didn't necessarily create the technology himself.

Anyways, fantastic episode, can't wait to see what comes next!

[Medinnus]

I'd love to see the Kang micro-episodes and all three Kang episodes released together on DVD as a movie. As ever, the action flows like a torrent of snowmelt down the ravines; when you're used to standard television pacing its almost as if the program should be required to issue a "Flash Flood" warning!

That said, a few other notes:

* Reed Richards appears, along with HERBIE. I'm pretty sure that the inclusion of HERBIE before Sue, Ben, or Johnny was not an intentional snub... *chuckles*

* The suits are configured to work with each hero's powers - Wasp can fire her blasts, Ant-Man can shrink, etc. Is there no end to his brilliance?

* Its nice to see Stark rising to the challenge of Kang, using every tech tool in his arsenal to out-think and out-fight the enemy.

* Kang's soliloquy about conquering being the only solution is rightly dismissed by Captain America as being myopic and familiar - he's heard that speech from every would-be tyrant.

* Loved how Captain America puts his hope and faith for victory in Iron Man. "I don't think I can beat you - but Iron Man can".

* Interesting how the Ultron robots' AI is successful in locking out Kang's computers; I'm guessing that perhaps Ultron himself was a lesson to future programmers about using advanced AIs were built.

* One remaining (or at least presumably) Ultron... with eerie glowing red eye LEDs!

* Chris Yost indicated that "The Kang Dynasty" is the last new episode for a few weeks. Its going to be a long few weeks!

[CyclonatorZ]

An epic end to the Kang Trilogy. The battles were awesome as always, and all the characters got a chance to shine. I honestly don't mind them taking out Thor in the begining, as his sacrifice is easily his most epic moment on the show yet (and he has already had a ton of those). The guy deflected a beam powerful enough to take out an entire city - I don't know if even the Hulk could survive something like that!

The ending was also great, as it both broke the typical time-travel status quo cliche and allows for future appearances of Kang. Nice to see Mr. Fantastic and HERBIE, especially since they're actually doing something significant (helping to save Ravonna) instead of just appearing in a crowd scene or something. However, the most intriguing moment has to be Kang's last words to the Avengers: Captain America's betrayal? Oh man, the break before the next episode is going to be painful! Ah well, I guess it was a good place to take a hiatus. :sweat:

[Rud]

I was surprised when i saw shield agents randomly hanging out in Kangs ship at the end... i was under the impression that Iron Man didnt trust those guys at all, and therefore would never give them access to 40th century tech, ever.

[Wonderwall]

I was surprised when i saw shield agents randomly hanging out in Kangs ship at the end... i was under the impression that Iron Man didnt trust those guys at all, and therefore would never give them access to 40th century tech, ever.

Don't really think it's Iron Man's call to make. I would say he's cautiously weary of SHIELD( Well Fury ) but will still work with them as they are stronger with SHIELD than without.

[Medinnus]

I was surprised when i saw shield agents randomly hanging out in Kangs ship at the end... i was under the impression that Iron Man didnt trust those guys at all, and therefore would never give them access to 40th century tech, ever.

Short of ramming the Damocles into the sun, I doubt that Stark could have stopped them; I'm sure SHIELD did the main arresting and incarceration of the Minions of Kang Local #427.

I wonder... are they considered war criminals, considering all the war crimes in which their mechanized forces engaged? Are they considered extraterrestrials? Illegal Aliens? Terrorists? Not that its important to the plot points... how many of them will turn on Kang and work for SHIELD, showing them how to operate the tech they just captured?

[Monte]

I was surprised when i saw shield agents randomly hanging out in Kangs ship at the end... i was under the impression that Iron Man didnt trust those guys at all, and therefore would never give them access to 40th century tech, ever.
Well aside as the aforementioned fact that tony really couldn't stop them, we should also take into account that threat the kree/skrull war IS likely to come, and the avengers will not be able to fight it off alone. The regular military and shield are gonna need serious upgrades if they want to survive... Tony may give them grief about using his tech before, but that could be in part because he did not see the a real NEED for such weapon advancement... he might not like it, but he may see a need for it with the coming threat

[Munkiman]

* Chris Yost indicated that "The Kang Dynasty" is the last new episode for a few weeks. Its going to be a long few weeks!
Where did he say that?

[Sockie]

Right here.

http://twitter.com/yost/status/29449637538570240



There's a break for a few weeks until new episodes of #AvengersEMH (http://twitter.com/search?q=%23AvengersEMH) but we come back strong. Seven episodes left! Plus, DVD news soon

[CyclonatorZ]

DVD news? Excellent, I've been waiting for that ever since I started watching the show. :D

[King_of_doom]

A few weeks? Damn, i was hoping at least 2 new episodes especially showing signs of the possible Civil War arc but oh well, can't wait to see the new episodes and i might buy the DVD.

[BigEclipse]

Loved the conclusion of the Kang arc. Really don't have anything else to say that hasn't already been shared. I can't believe this show is so good and there are still seven episodes left. The season could have ended with this episode and left me satisfied.

[King_of_doom]

Loved the conclusion of the Kang arc. Really don't have anything else to say that hasn't already been shared. I can't believe this show is so good and there are still seven episodes left. The season could have ended with this episode and left me satisfied.

7....don't you mean 33 episodes? Unless i miss something at the last minute.

Nah not really, it felt more a wrap to the Kang arc since usually when a season ends they show a few things or a cliffhanger on what we are going to expect at the next season.

[Capt. Speedbump]

7....don't you mean 33 episodes? Unless i miss something at the last minute.

Nah not really, it felt more a wrap to the Kang arc since usually when a season ends they show a few things or a cliffhanger on what we are going to expect at the next season.

Even though 52 episodes have been commisioned, I believe they are still broken into two 26-episode seasons.

This means that after the next seven episodes, there will probably be an even longer break until the next new episodes, but there has been plenty of assurance that even now, the second half of the 52 are in post-production.

[Andrew T. Hingson]

Just watched this one.

Thor hitting back the beam with his mighty hammer was all kinds of awesome. As was Hulk "knocking".

Happy to see Reed in there.

You had to have seen that Ultron plot coming a mile away.

I'm really liking the dynamic for this show. Iron Man and Caps slight unease with eachother and Hulk and Hawkeye's bro-mance in particular.

[90'sCartoonMan]

This entire trilogy was great, and the third part didn't disappoint. Thor deflecting the beam, the Elite Guard being a major threat, Wasp making an entrance, Cap's fight with Kang and then Iron Man being pretty awesome.

I was also surprised at the end, with Kang and his tech being apprehended and examined and the good guys working on a way to save Ravonna. It left me wanting more.



Oh, and by the way Kang; If anything Cap did results in Evil robot related wackiness, then that. is. YOUR. fault. If you hadn't shown, up, and tried to be a jerk, as Iron-man put it so eloquently, than nothing would have happened.

I'm starting to wonder if that's the event Kang is referring to. I mean, it's just as much Jan's fault as Cap's since she suggested it, and even moreso Hank's fault for building the darn things. I'm thinking whatever Cap does to doom the future happens during the Kree/Skrull War.

[dmxx116]

As Kang assault on earth continues The Avengers makes one last ditch effort to stop the time traveler’s plans once and for all. And they found out why Kang is attacking earth .

http://i.annihil.us/u/prod/marvel/i/mg/7/00/4d6c479307fc7.jpg

http://marvel.com/videos/watch/1757/the_avengers_emh_2010_season_1-_ep_18

[NightwingAngelo]

Simply put: GREAT EPISODE!!!

That was definitely one of their finest and more memorable ones. I also have to say that there was something about this episode gave it that 90s X-Men/Justice League/Wolverine and The X-Men vibe, which I loved.

Seeing Reed Richards in the end was icing on the cake, and I haven't even mentioned the evil ultron and Kang's words in the end.

Again, GREAT EPISODE!!! I can hardly wait to see what's next.

[Aquaman OS]

Speaking of guys at the end. Was that blond haired Shield agent at the end supposed to be Carol Danvers? Does that mean she's healed?

[King_of_doom]

Speaking of guys at the end. Was that blond haired Shield agent at the end supposed to be Carol Danvers? Does that mean she's healed?

She's not a Shield agent she's a military officer and probably she did healed yet she maybe taking a test drive with her new powers.

[R-Taco]

This episode is seriously bugging me, since the timeline issues don't seem to make any sense.

1. Captain America getting frozen isn't the result of time travel. Therefore, how did a timeline in which he didn't get frozen exist in the first place?

2. If the events of the present destroyed Kang's reality, then why did it take however-many-years-from-the-future-Kang-is-from to happen? Shouldn't his timeline have just gotten erased out as soon as the timeline-altering event happened?

The only ways I can imagine this whole plot making any sense whatsoever are either an unchangable timeline (in which Cap always gets frozen, the Earth always gets decimated, Kang always rises to power sometime later, and he then always travels back to our time), or simply multiple universes that never shared timelines at all (where Kang is from one with no Capsicle). The former is almost certainly not going to be the case, given the downer ending it would lead to. And if it's the latter, then why did Kang's universe get "erased"?

It's frustrating, since the series was doing so good up to this point. Wolverine and the X-Men had similar plot holes (especially in the finale), but that series wasn't that great to begin with.

[AlgeaX]

I feel your pain R-Taco, best I can do is refer you to the testimony of one of the universe's formost experts on temporal mechanics...


People assume that time is a strict progression of cause to effect, but actually from a non-linear, non-subjective viewpoint, it's more like a big ball of wibbly-wobbly, timey-wimey… stuff.

[Anwar]

Time-Travel in this show apparently has a "Time is a River" model, in that changes causes ripples that take time (haha!) to fully effect reality. So the time changes that destroyed Kang's future weren't complete before he escaped.

It's like how time-travel worked in the FOX X-Men cartoon.

[Munkiman]

This episode is seriously bugging me, since the timeline issues don't seem to make any sense.

1. Captain America getting frozen isn't the result of time travel. Therefore, how did a timeline in which he didn't get frozen exist in the first place?

2. If the events of the present destroyed Kang's reality, then why did it take however-many-years-from-the-future-Kang-is-from to happen? Shouldn't his timeline have just gotten erased out as soon as the timeline-altering event happened?

The only ways I can imagine this whole plot making any sense whatsoever are either an unchangable timeline (in which Cap always gets frozen, the Earth always gets decimated, Kang always rises to power sometime later, and he then always travels back to our time), or simply multiple universes that never shared timelines at all (where Kang is from one with no Capsicle). The former is almost certainly not going to be the case, given the downder ending it would lead to. And if it's the latter, then why did Kang's universe get "erased"?

It's frustraing, since the series was doing so good up to this point. Wolverine and the X-Men had similar plot holes (especially in the finale), but that series wasn't that great to begin with.
We're not really sure yet how Kang's era was destroyed. It might not have anything to do with Cap at all, could be Kang's just wrong. It's not a plot hole so much as a mystery - Kang is drawing conclusions but I don't think we're supposed to assume that he's right.

[Medinnus]

((From my AEMH Editorial Wall))

I am, myself, having a problem with Kang's basic premise that Captain America somehow doesn't "belong" in the 21st century. He was active until he was frozen, then sat in the arctic deep freeze as a Capsicle for ... what? Six and a half decades? Then he was defrosted.

He's not an anomaly; he never left the time-stream.

I'm also curious as to why Kang wasn't able to track Captain America's history to the pivotal moment where Cap's presence begins to tip the balance.

My theory goes something like this... Kang's time-monitoring equipment can't actually allow Kang to visit/record/whatever - the observer bit like he did in the micro-episodes - anything close to a time period when he personally manifests, so he was able to track Winghead up along the time-stream and no further. So he sees Captain America defrosted, sees the post-Kree-Skrull War after-Earth, and perhaps assumes that Captain America is the causation pivot.

If he could have presented the Avengers with the specific causation event, it could be avoided without harming Captain America. We know - as an audience - that three things are certain:

1 - Kang does not eliminate Captain America
2 - Kang ultimately fails to conquer the Earth
3 - The Kree-Skrull War fails to destroy the Earth

Any hypothesis must conform to those three fourth-wall facts.

if Kang had been serious about ridding the present of Captain America's presence, then he could merely have gone back a little further to when Cap is still on ice, removed the huge ice-cube, and tossed it into the sun, all without opposition.

I think that Captain America is Kang's scapegoat, as his ego will not let him come to the conclusion that its his own attempt to mess with the timeline of the 21st century that causes his own future to fade; that his time-travel back is part of the timeline, and that his own timeline is a branch always doomed to fade, unless he can learn to not go back - a conclusion to which he's not capable of coming.

Yeah, its a sideways paradox - but it could be the minute one leaves the timeline the first time, one essentially becomes a paradox when one travels upstream, and not subject to normal causation. Kang exists because he didn't exist to interfere - once he does not interfere, he exists to interfere, and once he does, the true 'baseline' timeline - in which another future is written, not the one he traced back to this divergence point - becomes his dominant timeline, and the branch from which he's from is 'pruned'.

The real question for me has become how did Kang's equipment trace Captain America as the causation point, or did it merely bring Kang to the approximate era and Kang himself decided that Captain America was the causation point?

.... or, umm... something like that.

[Venom Melendez]

We're not really sure yet how Kang's era was destroyed. It might not have anything to do with Cap at all, could be Kang's just wrong. It's not a plot hole so much as a mystery - Kang is drawing conclusions but I don't think we're supposed to assume that he's right.

Exactly.

We're not suppose to know yet and we won't know until the Kree/Skrull war starts.

So it's not a plot hole, we'll get the explanation when the time comes. Hell, maybe it's a Cap villain that causes it.

[King_of_doom]

So it's not a plot hole, we'll get the explanation when the time comes. Hell, maybe it's a Cap villain that causes it.

Indeed, i always have a theory that maybe the Red Skull is involve in this, we haven't seen him since the micro episodes.