The Avengers: Earth's Mightiest Heroes "Come the Conqueror" Talkback (Spoilers)

[James Harvey]

Discuss this all-new episode of The Avengers: Earth's Mightiest Heroes debuting today at 10:00am (ET) on Disney XD!

http://marvel.toonzone.net/avengersemh/talkback.jpg (http://marvel.toonzone.net/avengersemh/)The Avengers: Earth's Mightiest Heroes "Come the Conqueror"
Episode Premiere Date: January 16th, 2011
Kang’s invasion of Earth begins in earnest! A fleet of ships from the future unleash war on the planet, and the Avengers are helpless to stop it. But while Iron Man searches for Kang himself, Captain America takes charge of the Avengers… but to fight a war, you need an army. And Wasp knows where Cap can get one. Welcome to the other dimensional prison called 42, maintained by a robot called Ultron.

Comments?

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[trance2009]

I liked that little "who the hell you think you're talking to?" look Hulk gave Cap when he told him to free Giant Man, then went ahead and took the order after Cap yelled, "MOVE!"

[BigEclipse]

Another really good episode. Expected to see more super hero cameos during the invasion scenes but won't nitpick. I loved the scope of the episode as well. It had a "big fight" feel. Steadily we're seeing Cap assert himself in a leadership role more and more each episode. It almost gave me chills when he cried "Avengers assemble!" with his shield raised. Unleashing the army of Ultrons was an unexpected surprise, but now we can see the seeds being sewn for the inevitable Ultron turn. Good stuff all around.

[Monte]

A great episode for the most part but not without some issues...
The self-repairing tech of the robots seems to have been dropped since after the first time i don't recall them ever getting up again... might have been nice if it were the case that the robots were connected to the armada ships, so when those disappeared the robots disappeared as well... unless that was the case and i just missed it and need to watch the episode again... Though i think those aramada ships went down a bit too easily; i mean I would think they would atleast have the kind of sheilding that Kang and his chair had... Also I thought it was really stupid how it took Tony so long to figure out Kang was in space... Honestly I think that's the first place I'd look; space seems like the best place to be to overlook a worldwide invasion. I figured the whole "where are you!?" would be something a bit more complicated than Tony just looking in the wrong place; Like Kang had some serious cloaking tech and they would need to hack one of the armada ships to find him... and would have appreciated more superhero cameos, but we still have one more episode

Though the episode had a lot of great action, some good chemistry going on between Hawkeye and Hulk, and Cap is showing yet more signs about who should be leading this team. And it's nice to see how this will work in ultron down the line.

[Medinnus]

Though i think those aramada ships went down a bit too easily; i mean I would think they would atleast have the kind of sheilding that Kang and his chair had...

Perhaps the power curve increases geometrically as the space protected by an energy shield increases; small shapes can be shielded, but spacecraft are beyond the ability?



I figured the whole "where are you!?" would be something a bit more complicated than Tony just looking in the wrong place; Like Kang had some serious cloaking tech and they would need to hack one of the armada ships to find him...

Especially as when the Damocles first does its time transition the Kang-Minion declares that the "cloaking is in place and they are invisible to current technology" (or something like that).

[Eivion]

I had the same issues with the episode Monte did. Was expecting a bit more from the whole self-repairing robot deal, and I had hoped that it wouldn't just be Tony looking in the wrong area for Kang. Also would have been nice to get some real cameos of other heroes fighting. Was odd how we only got the Black Knight. Otherwise I enjoyed the episode, especially how Cap took control of the team as battle continued.

[Webbed-Wonder]

I love this show because of how huge the scope of it is, epic stuff. I was really excited when I heard Cap say "Avengers Assemble!", and I got some goosebumps when Hank reprogrammed the Ultron army to know what violence is. No way that will turn out well.

[Rick Jones]

I thought it was a pretty intense episode with lots of great moments. I loved it.

Some of the action in New York really brought back memories of the teaser video that made it online when the series was first announced a couple of years back.

[Medinnus]

Once more, the skill of the creative team is shining like a star in the darkness. Each character got a little time in the spotlight, each one got a chance to shine. Other comments::

* Is that Jasper Sitwell's first appearance on the SHIELD helicarrier?

* If you didn't smile when Captain America saved the kids, and then get a shiver when he raised his shield and cried "Avengers Assemble!" you have no soul! *grins*

* Hulk and Thor's contest to see which of them can destroy the most of the enemies. Shades of Gimli and Legolas!

* Calling Captain America "Old Man"? That's pretty close to the Hawkeye I know and love, circa Avengers V.1 #20 or so!

* The Black Knight cameo! I wish there had been more of them!

* Stark's half-serious growing resentment of Captain America being right all the time - and Ant-Man's reminder that that's how the rest of them feel about Iron Man.

* If the Invasion Saucers vanish back to their own time, and that timeline is gone, where do they end up? De-materialized?

* Does anyone else find cheering on Ultrons to be... heretical?

* Darned cliffhanger ending!

[King_of_doom]

This episode was intense! Everyone got their fair share of screen time, my favs are Hawkeye/Hulk team and Ant-man/Wasp. We now see how Ultron will rebel in future episodes also like his new voice because it reminds me of Brainiac, is Wally Wingert doing the voice or someone else? It does have that Corey Burton sound.

Also, i'm surprise that no one has mention this but at the beginning of the episode when the invasion started we saw people caught by the explosions and cars where falling at them, i mean people do get caught in the middle of a fight or invasion but that scene was showing people getting killed.

Anyway this was a good episode and can't wait to see the final part of the Kang saga, if this invasion was tough can't imaging how the Skrull/Kree invasion will end up, not to mention the Ultron invasion, did anyone felt chills when one of the Ultron robots enter at one of the ships to destroy it? When i saw it was like whoa it looks frightening.

[Munkiman]

Awesome episode, an great portrayal of the Avengers facing a threat on a larger scale than anything they've dealt with before. Some highlights:

-"I found bigger stingers." Wasp is basically the weakest member of the team on her own, and I was wondering how she would be able to help out. It was a great idea to have her take a Quinjet, she was badass!

-The invasion starting out where it just seems to be in New York, then the eastern seaboard of the U.S., and then finally we see that it's going on all over the world. I had been wondering why Kang was starting in NYC, so it was great to see how badly the odds were really stacked against the Avengers.

-It was kinda funny how, just as Iron Man is using his cool technology to figure out that Kang was behind the attack, Kang's giant head shows up to rob him of the sense of accomplishment. :p

-Speaking of that, I thought it was a nice touch how the Avengers didn't realize that they were in a continuation of last episode! They figured it was just this week's latest bad guy. Props to T'Challa for being the first to figure it out.

-Hawkeye was fun in this ep - even without his arrows he still kept fighting!

-I liked seeing Cap take charge more and more, and Tony's flash of anger at Cap overstepping his authority before he realizes that it was a good idea. I'm betting on episode 21's Civil War-esque story to be the place where these two finally start butting heads for real.

-"I'm teaching Ultron the concept of... 'violence.'" That was downright chilling, especially when the eyes and mouths turned red. The blue-lit Ultrons looked so much friendlier - as we saw with the guy they were rescuing, it doesn't matter how much good they're doing, they still seem downright sinister. I wasn't expecting Ultron's turn to start so soon - I wonder which will come first, Ultron or the Kree/Skrull War? Or worse, both at once?

-All the fighting was great and showed off the skills of every Avenger. I love this show's animation.

-I wonder where Carol Danvers and Doc Samson are?

[Medinnus]

-I wonder where Carol Danvers and Doc Samson are?

Go go SHIELD Super Squad?

[King_of_doom]

Awesome episode, an great portrayal of the Avengers facing a threat on a larger scale than anything they've dealt with before. Some highlights:

-"I found bigger stingers." Wasp is basically the weakest member of the team on her own, and I was wondering how she would be able to help out. It was a great idea to have her take a Quinjet, she was badass! That was also my fav scene of Wasp, was wondering when they where going to use the Quinjet and the other tech that Tony did for the Team.



-I liked seeing Cap take charge more and more, and Tony's flash of anger at Cap overstepping his authority before he realizes that it was a good idea. I'm betting on episode 21's Civil War-esque story to be the place where these two finally start butting heads for real.
I think its a nice set of showing the 2 who should take leadership, this will not only affect the relation between Cap and Ironman but for everyone since they have different opinions on the 2 of them that they have to choose who side they will join.


-"I'm teaching Ultron the concept of... 'violence.'" That was downright chilling, especially when the eyes and mouths turned red. The blue-lit Ultrons looked so much friendlier - as we saw with the guy they were rescuing, it doesn't matter how much good they're doing, they still seem downright sinister. I wasn't expecting Ultron's turn to start so soon - I wonder which will come first, Ultron or the Kree/Skrull War? Or worse, both at once?
That was just creepy and how awesome they made it, i was thinking over and over on how they will turn Ultron's eye and mouth red as we seen in the comics and the DTV version, he's a robot of course but i thought it would be a bit too Terminator like that Ultron will rebel just like that, its a nice touch on showing Hank adding violence to Ultron's program.

[KingBowser]

This episode was intense! Everyone got their fair share of screen time, my favs are Hawkeye/Hulk team and Ant-man/Wasp. We now see how Ultron will rebel in future episodes also like his new voice because it reminds me of Brainiac, is Wally Wingert doing the voice or someone else? It does have that Corey Burton sound.

Also, i'm surprise that no one has mention this but at the beginning of the episode when the invasion started we saw people caught by the explosions and cars where falling at them, i mean people do get caught in the middle of a fight or invasion but that scene was showing people getting killed.

Anyway this was a good episode and can't wait to see the final part of the Kang saga, if this invasion was tough can't imaging how the Skrull/Kree invasion will end up, not to mention the Ultron invasion, did anyone felt chills when one of the Ultron robots enter at one of the ships to destroy it? When i saw it was like whoa it looks frightening.

I noticed people getting killed too....really surprised to see that on a Disney network! Not that I'm complaining. I thought it was a great episode and everybody pretty much summed up my thoughts although I'll add.

- You can reallly see the change in leadership b/w Cap and Tony. Tony usually just yells "Go get em guys!" whereas Cap uses actual tactics. A welcome change.

- Poor Tony. I feel like he's like Superman in JL Season 1. Underpowered and underappreciated. Is Jan the only team member who likes him?

- Speaking of the JL it trips me out how the Avengers are sort of stuck on who is in charge whereas in the League it was never really an issue.

- Have Hank and Jan ever been shown this favorably or as effective? I mean even in the comics?

- The Ultrons were REALLY creepy.

[Medinnus]

- You can reallly see the change in leadership b/w Cap and Tony. Tony usually just yells "Go get em guys!" whereas Cap uses actual tactics. A welcome change.

- Speaking of the JL it trips me out how the Avengers are sort of stuck on who is in charge whereas in the League it was never really an issue.


Well, I think its overstating it to call the "Avengers stuck on who is in charge"; the members of well-aware of the dynamic of "I built and fund the team, so I'm in charge" vs "I have training and experience leading strategic and tactical operations in the field".

I feel for Tony, I really do - but at the end of the day, he's a tech guy made good with no training for his role as Iron Man, and against the likes of Blizzard he hasn't needed it. Captain America is stepping up to fill the void; people get killed when facing threats of the order of magnitude that the Avengers face.

In fact, it reminds me of the kind of problem the Silicon Valley had; start-up CEOs are often unqualified to run the company they found when it gets beyond a dozen or so employees. The smart ones brought in CEOs to run the company while they retained ownership and pushed the technology further.



- Poor Tony. I feel like he's like Superman in JL Season 1. Underpowered and underappreciated. Is Jan the only team member who likes him?


I see what you mean - but they've also regressed Stark to his early Iron Man days. There is a lot of room for growth as he learns team management skills, field operations, and physical combat skills.



- Have Hank and Jan ever been shown this favorably or as effective? I mean even in the comics?


Depends on the writer and era, but yes, especially between 26 and 40, and in the Englehart era. Wasp also got to shine under Roger Stern.



- The Ultrons were REALLY creepy.


Its what they do. I wonder how many of the robots will survive the next episode?

The way Yost (et al) is handling Ultron is IMO much more 3effective than the Roy Thomas introduction, and most of the subsequent appearances (except for the Busiek/Perez arc, which was... epic).

[jph139]

Come on guys - keeping an army of super intelligent robots is one thing, but teaching them the concept of violence and turning their eyes red? That's just playing with fire. :p

Definitely a good episode; more or less the same alien invasion that we see in most super hero shows, but, not bad by any means. I liked the interplay between Cap and Iron Man, and Black Panther going back to Wakanda - a lot of depth, even if it's not given as much focus as it could be.

I was hoping for more cameos, but I figure - hey, they're not giving Black Knight a model for one two-second scene and NOT doing it for anyone else. So I figure we'll be seeing him sooner rather than later, which is pretty cool if you ask me.

[King_of_doom]

I'm still wondering who voiced Ultron but after looking at wiki seems like Tom Kane's voicing Ultron, like i said before when Ultron was speaking it reminds me of Corey Burton which gave me that creepy feeling when i hear Corey voicing a villain, i'm wondering if its Tom Kane will that be his official voice for Ultron or will he do his Ultron voice from The Next Avengers?

[Mr. Hypocrite]

-"I found bigger stingers." Wasp is basically the weakest member of the team on her own, and I was wondering how she would be able to help out. It was a great idea to have her take a Quinjet, she was badass!

The "Bigger Stingers" line was hilarious for me, because when I saw her flying th Quinjet, I immediately said: "I guess she found bigger stingers!";)


-I liked seeing Cap take charge more and more, and Tony's flash of anger at Cap overstepping his authority before he realizes that it was a good idea. I'm betting on episode 21's Civil War-esque story to be the place where these two finally start butting heads for real.

I like to think that Tony will do what is best for the team and let Cap lead. Whatever his flaws, he does want to help people. I would hope he'll realize that with Cap as the leader, the Avengers could really kick ass. It's not like he'd be any less important, as the Tech-man. Though I may be downplaying his pride. If nothing else, as a Futurist, I would like to think he'll look ahead and say that it's for the future of the team.


- You can reallly see the change in leadership b/w Cap and Tony. Tony usually just yells "Go get em guys!" whereas Cap uses actual tactics. A welcome change.

- Poor Tony. I feel like he's like Superman in JL Season 1. Underpowered and underappreciated. Is Jan the only team member who likes him?

Eh, I think despite their initial beef, Hank may be warming up to him. It's not like he hasn't proven his intentions are genuine. Plus that "That how we all feel about you" line seemed more along the lines of gentle teasing.

Great ep. Showed us some future developments (no pun intended :sweat:), and had great action.

Was I the only one expecting Hulk to say "THAT ONLY COUNTS AS ONE!" when Thor took out that multi-stacked robot in one go?:D

[Medinnus]

Was I the only one expecting Hulk to say "THAT ONLY COUNTS AS ONE!" when Thor took out that multi-stacked robot in one go?:D

No sir, you were not! ;)

[HEATXZ]

Great episode :anime:
I like the action scenes and the Black Knight cameo

[Rud]

Ultron robots from the 21st century being a match for Kangs 40th century super robots, i dint buy that at all, i thought when cap mentioned getting an army they would enlist the fantastic 4 or the x-men or something.

[Star Outlaw]

I just knew they were going to use all those Ultrons for something. I really like how this show has multiple layers of plot going on, rather than it being very singular and episodic like Justice League was.

I wish Panther could be in the finale. Not a whole lot was really revealed. This was very much an action packed episode. We'll have to wait for the finale to get all the answers.

[Medinnus]

I just knew they were going to use all those Ultrons for something. I really like how this show has multiple layers of plot going on, rather than it being very singular and episodic like Justice League was.

There were layers to the JLU, if I recall correctly.


I wish Panther could be in the finale. Not a whole lot was really revealed. This was very much an action packed episode. We'll have to wait for the finale to get all the answers.

If you mean the next episode, he could very well be - I know he was headed to Wakanda, but once Stark announces he found Waldo...err...Kang, he could decide to do that whole stealthy infiltrate thing as the best course for Wakanda.

I know, I'm stretching, but it could happen!

[King_of_doom]

Ultron robots from the 21st century being a match for Kangs 40th century super robots, i dint buy that at all, i thought when cap mentioned getting an army they would enlist the fantastic 4 or the x-men or something.
The Ultron robots where just helping the Avengers because they where outnumber, not necessarily make them as their triumph card i mean we have seen them getting destroyed one by one easily.

Nah i feel that's too soon to introduce them, a short cameo would be cool but a fully introduction i don't buy it, besides it gave us some hints about Ultron turning evil.

[DarqueGuy]

* The Black Knight cameo! I wish there had been more of them!

I know the Knight is Chris Yost's favorite Avenger of all, so I don't view this as a cameo so much as laying the groundwork for an inevitable larger appearance and possible membership.

[Silverstar]

Ultron robots from the 21st century being a match for Kangs 40th century super robots, i dint buy that at all, i thought when cap mentioned getting an army they would enlist the fantastic 4 or the x-men or something.

Nah, it's too early for that. This is only the first season and the core team has only just been assembled, more or less. Too soon for a bunch of cameos and crossovers.

This is the Avengers' show. They have to take on a few Big Evils on their own as a team before the non-Avenger heroes start poking their heads in.

[Bat-Fan Beyond]

I thought this was a great episode. I'm sure it has some flaws, but overall, I found it highly enjoyable. I really like seeing Cap taking on more of the leadership role.

It was also cool to see a cameo of the Black Knight; I was hoping for more characters to show up.

[Munkiman]

Ultron robots from the 21st century being a match for Kangs 40th century super robots, i dint buy that at all, i thought when cap mentioned getting an army they would enlist the fantastic 4 or the x-men or something.
Ultrons weren't a match for the future-bots one on one, though. They had to swarm the flying saucers as cannon fodder. Without the Avengers and the time-anchor thing the Ultrons would never have been able to fight Kang's army on their own.

[CyclonatorZ]

This episode wasn't as quite as good as the first part of the Kang trilogy, mainly because of a couple minor plot-holes, but it was still great fun. The dialoge on the show keeps getting better and better, and it's nice to see Captain America slowly growing into his eventual role as Avengers' leader. The Lord of the Rings-esque banter between Thor, Hulk, and Hawkeye was probably my favorite part - those three are my absolute favorite heroes on the show, and anything said between them always ends up being gold. :D

Well, only one episode left before Kang meets his inevitable defeat - though, going by episode rumors on Medinnus's Avengers' site, it may not be the last time we see him this season. In any case, looking foward to the conclusion! :)

[AlgeaX]

Okay lot to talk about this ep. Kang's invasion really gets underway and I really liked the sense of Epicness this ep was going for. It's the first time we've really seen the team tackle a threat on such a global scale, which is really about time. After all, that's really the Avengers mission statement; taking on "the foes no single hero could withstand".

I addition to watching the team wade through armies of giant robots, we also get some nice developments on the subplot front. It obvious the tension between Steve and Tony is going to get worse before it gets better. In fact I'm guessing the Civil War style story won't be the team dividing over any Superhuman Registration Act but rather over who's best qualified to lead the team.

Fun tidbit; in the last ep Kang claimed Cap was responsible for the extinction of humanity. In this ep, Cap convinces Hank to teach his army of super robots how to blow stuff up.

Other Random Thoughts & Bits I Liked.

*Panther notes the quasi-Egyptian design of Kang's robots, which are appearently called Scarabs. Hints of Rama-Tut (http://marvel.wikia.com/Nathaniel_Richards_(Rama-Tut)_(Earth-6311))?

*I really liked seeing Cap save those two kids. I think it's good to see superheroes protecting the general public on a regular basis. Otherwise you start subconsciously wondering what all these costumed grudge matches are supposed to accomplish.

[Medinnus]

Okay lot to talk about this ep. Kang's invasion really gets underway and I really liked the sense of Epicness this ep was going for. It's the first time we've really seen the team tackle a threat on such a global scale, which is really about time. After all, that's really the Avengers mission statement; taking on "the foes no single hero could withstand".

Yeah, but they only fought it in Manhatten... "We saved New York, but Canada is toast!" :D



Fun tidbit; in the last ep Kang claimed Cap was responsible for the extinction of humanity. In this ep, Cap convinces Hank to teach his army of super robots how to blow stuff up.

...which would not have been necessary without Kang's invasion/interference!



*Panther notes the quasi-Egyptian design of Kang's robots, which are appearently called Scarabs. Hints of Rama-Tut (http://marvel.wikia.com/Nathaniel_Richards_%28Rama-Tut%29_%28Earth-6311%29)?

The Scarabs - at least according to Marvel.com - are the fightercraft, which do look kind of Egyptian:

http://www.medinnus.com/AEMH/images/kang_glider_01.png

The robots - again, according to Marvel.com - are Skullpeds, and don't look Egyptian at all to me:

http://www.medinnus.com/AEMH/images/kang_skullped_01.png

I love the support Marvel is giving the series!

[AlgeaX]

Yeah, but they only fought it in Manhatten... "We saved New York, but Canada is toast!" :D

Well it's hardly the Avengers' fault if Alpha Flight isn't pulling it's weight.:p




The Scarabs - at least according to Marvel.com - are the fightercraft, which do look kind of Egyptian:

http://www.medinnus.com/AEMH/images/kang_glider_01.png

The robots - again, according to Marvel.com - are Skullpeds, and don't look Egyptian at all to me:

http://www.medinnus.com/AEMH/images/kang_skullped_01.png

I love the support Marvel is giving the series!

I think I was confused by the original trailer for the series they released way back, which showed the fighters turning into the robots Transformer style. I guess they decided to make them seperate war machines at some point.

As for the Egyptian thing, I must defer to T'Challa's anthropological expertise.

[Gold Guy]

Wow, this episode was so epic, what with the alien invasion, the Ultron robots fighting, and Iron Man finding Kang. Cap seems more natural as leader so far. Honestly, this may be my favorite episode behind the first two-parter.

[Medinnus]

Well it's hardly the Avengers' fault if Alpha Flight isn't pulling it's weight.:p

Well, they ARE dead...

...I think. Stupid revolving door on the Underworld...

[macattack]

That was great. The action was just tremendous, and the animation didn't have any flaws. I was just blown away.

Yeah, it was standard "alien invasion" stuff, but I can't complain about the visuals. It's enough for me to forgive the lack of plot development or any memorable dialogue. You can't argue with sheer, raw action.

[90'sCartoonMan]

This episode definitely upped the threat of Kang. I think I may've preferred last week's episode, but this was still really good. The Ultron stuff was frightening, but I loved Cap naturally fitting into the role of leader. He knew to dismiss T'Challa, and he was great at co-ordinating everyone, even those who aren't used to following orders.

The only problem I see is Tony looking bad. Yeah, Iron Man isn't cut out to be leader, but he should still be an important part of the team. I'm hoping he'll be the bigger man and step down as leader and show the Avengers where his strengths really are.

[Luke Cage]

...into my favorite show on TV.

Every episode is really solid, from the writing to animation. Also really impressed with the voice acting, as there don't seem to be any weak links.

One of the few problems with JLU was the occasional miscast voice actor. WIth AEMH, everyone's voice really fits the character. (Even the secondary characters like Mockingbird and Carol Danvers).

Looking forward to the next ep.

[CyclonatorZ]

On the record of them actually showing civilians getting killed in this episode, keep in mind that this isn't the first time we've seen some random inhabitant of earth bite the dust. Okay, so that wolf in 459 isn't a human, but considering what kind of weapons that Kree sentry was packing, it was still pretty dark for a kid's show. :o


Yeah, it was standard "alien invasion" stuff, but I can't complain about the visuals. It's enough for me to forgive the lack of plot development or any memorable dialogue. You can't argue with sheer, raw action.

A lack of memorable dialogue? Heck, personally, every episode has at least one or two really great lines, especially when involving my aformentioned favorite three Avengers. :p

[Bat-Fan Beyond]

The only problem I see is Tony looking bad. Yeah, Iron Man isn't cut out to be leader, but he should still be an important part of the team. I'm hoping he'll be the bigger man and step down as leader and show the Avengers where his strengths really are.


I don't know, I think they're still showing us what Tony is good at. To me, Cap is the military field leader, but Tony is equivalent to military intelligence.

[Medinnus]

I don't know, I think they're still showing us what Tony is good at. To me, Cap is the military field leader, but Tony is equivalent to military intelligence.


He's not sneaky enough - he's more like Q-Branch! :D

[Manhunter]

One of the few problems with JLU was the occasional miscast voice actor.

Who in JLU did you think was miscast?

[NightwingAngelo]

I'll focus on the bridge for now.

I think that's the 1000 Islands Bridge. As a Canadian, a slight peeve of mine is how no cartoons/video games ever dare finish on their way to the other side.

Closest was TMNT I think (In the episode "Ultimate Ninja"). The Spider-Man: 3 The Movie game came somewhat close (When fighting Scorpion).

Well, there goes another opportunity. LOL!!! There are a whole bunch of other examples that escape my mind at the moment.

As for the episode, it was pretty cool. Cap is finally taking the lead... and he should. Glad they started out with Tony being the leader first, and then shift to Cap and why he should be the leader.

He just gets it done.

[Luke Cage]

Who in JLU did you think was miscast?

The actor voicing John Stewart for example. Seemed like he was reading a script and trying to do "the voice" rather just acting and bringing out the best in the character. Similar vibe with Black Canary, Dr Fate. (Ed Asner as Granny Goodness?) Small nit picks that were just breifly distracting.

I don't get any of that vibe with the Avengers. All the dialog seems smooth and natural. I actually get a sense of chemistry just listening to the Avengers characters interact. (Nick Fury comes across a little over the top at times, but it kinda works for the character.)

[Bat-Fan Beyond]

The actor voicing John Stewart for example. Seemed like he was reading a script and trying to do "the voice" rather just acting and bringing out the best in the character. Similar vibe with Black Canary, Dr Fate. (Ed Asner as Granny Goodness?) Small nit picks that were just breifly distracting.




I don't agree with you at all, but I find it ironic that you have a problem with the voice of John Stewart, yet you have the character as your avatar.

[Wonderwall]

I don't agree with you at all, but I find it ironic that you have a problem with the voice of John Stewart, yet you have the character as your avatar.

I find it funny that Phil LaMArr also plays Tony's computer and Black Panther. Guy is everywhere:p

I liked this episode too. I wasn't totally blown away just because it seemed like they are just building the explosive finale of this three parter but other than that it there wasn't too much to complain about. Well the part about the robots regenerating being forgotten is a something that I think could have been handled better.

Animation was good here, obviously this being a big episode it should look just a bit nicer than the norm. The one shot that stood out was Panther running along the building. Most of the characters got their moment to shine which is cool, I think the one I liked the most was Wasp's bigger stingers.

Hope the third part lives up.

[King_of_doom]

I find it funny that Phil LaMArr also plays Tony's computer and Black Panther. Guy is everywhere:p.

Actually Phil LaMarr aside of voicing Jarvis he does the voice of Wonder Man, Black Panther is voice by James C. Mathis.

[JTMarsh]

I don't agree with you at all, but I find it ironic that you have a problem with the voice of John Stewart, yet you have the character as your avatar.
I always thought Phil LaMarr was exactly how John Stewart needed to sound. And so far everyone on Avengers sounds good, though I've seen some fans complain on other forums about Eric Loomis doing an RDJ impression as Iron Man (I don't have a problem with it - gotta have something to vocally distinguish the character from the others).

[Wonderwall]

Actually Phil LaMarr aside of voicing Jarvis he does the voice of Wonder Man, Black Panther is voice by James C. Mathis.

Ah that's right I forgot he does Wonder Man. I had no idea he wasn't Panther, it sounds so much like him.


I always thought Phil LaMarr was exactly how John Stewart needed to sound. And so far everyone on Avengers sounds good, though I've seen some fans complain on other forums about Eric Loomis doing an RDJ impression as Iron Man (I don't have a problem with it - gotta have something to vocally distinguish the character from the others).

I wasn't too keen on him when the show first debuted but I've actually grown used to it as I think he's really gotten into the role.

[Crash]

"Under my rule, Earth will be strong. It will survive the coming onslaught."

...The coming onslaught? Onslaught?! Mwa-hah-hah-hah-hah!

...Okay, just kidding.

One more apsect of this episode that shows why this is a great show. It wasn't just the heroes fighting the robots. SHIELD fought back, and even the orinary military was shown blowing up a robot. Sure, SHEILD and the military were overwhelmed before too long, but it was great to see them do something! To be more than just inneffective cannon fodder...

Loved seeing the Egyption flair to Kang's stuff. It made me remember his breif cameo back in X-Men: Evolution.

The Ultron army also put me into that mood. It wasn't quite as cool as seeing Evo-Fury sick the Sentinals on Apocalypse, but still pretty neat. And again, its great how this show is tying all these threats together...

[CyclonatorZ]

One more thing I feel I must mention is that this episode really solidifies my growing love for the show's soundtrack. To be honest, I feel Avengers: EMH has one of the most epic muscial scores of any recent superhero cartoon, and I wish more animated shows could give the same attention to background music as this one. For example: the Ultron reprograming scene was fantastic in general, but the musical theme playing during it was absolutely perfect. Overall, the music on the show really helps in adding a further layer of emotion to the plots, to the point where I'd say it even matches the quality (if not the style) of B:TAS's soundtrack in spots. ;)

[Wonderwall]

Overall, the music on the show really helps in adding a further layer of emotion to the plots, to the point where I'd say it even matches the quality (if not the style) of B:TAS's soundtrack in spots. ;)

Hmm, I don't think I'd go that far but then I haven't really paid attention to the score of the show. I think it does the job but I don't think I could remember any part of the soundtrack of this show off the top of my head like BTAS or even STAS and BB. I think it's about on par with recent superhero outings from both Marvel and DC.

[CyclonatorZ]

I can remember at least one part of the score almost immediately - the epic theme that plays during at least a couple of Captain America's encounters with Hydra baddies. You can hear it right when they get on the rocket in the third CA-focused mini-episode, and again when he fights Zemo in Living Legend. It is awesome. :D

[DarqueGuy]

Ed Asner as Granny Goodness?

I would argue that was the most inspired casting choice since Mark Hamill as the Joker.

[Munkiman]

The actor voicing John Stewart for example. Seemed like he was reading a script and trying to do "the voice" rather just acting and bringing out the best in the character. Similar vibe with Black Canary, Dr Fate. (Ed Asner as Granny Goodness?) Small nit picks that were just breifly distracting.

I don't get any of that vibe with the Avengers. All the dialog seems smooth and natural. I actually get a sense of chemistry just listening to the Avengers characters interact. (Nick Fury comes across a little over the top at times, but it kinda works for the character.)
Dissing Morena Baccarin (voice of Black Canary in JLU, also on Firefly)? You trying to get kicked out of nerdom forever? :p

I loved JLU's voice casting, but I also agree that Avengers has been flawless on voice work so far. Wasp was iffy at first IMO but O'Shaughnessey really came through after the first couple episodes. They're both great.

[CyclonatorZ]

Really, I'd say that the only thing the show didn't nail right from the start is the dialogue and the villian characterization, and now that the scripts have been getting a lot better and the baddies more interesting, I really think Marvel has something amazing on their hands. ;)

[US_Agent74]

Overall good scope of global threat, and Cap stepping up to take charge and the monitors showed battles in
Egypt
England
China great wall
Wakanda
Though I can't help but wonder what heroes China throws up against Kang. My favorite parts though were
Hulk leaving hawkeye on the bridge
And
Hulk got his butt handed to him this episode
This episode rocked.

[90'sCartoonMan]

I don't know, I think they're still showing us what Tony is good at. To me, Cap is the military field leader, but Tony is equivalent to military intelligence.

They're showing what he's good and bad at. Not a total loser, sure, but he still does come across as kind of bad compared to Cap.

[Luke Cage]

Dissing Morena Baccarin (voice of Black Canary in JLU, also on Firefly)? You trying to get kicked out of nerdom forever? :p

I loved JLU's voice casting, but I also agree that Avengers has been flawless on voice work so far. Wasp was iffy at first IMO but O'Shaughnessey really came through after the first couple episodes. They're both great.

My original thought was not to diss work on the JLU (I loved the show), just make an observation that at times certain voices seemed to draw my attention from the scene. ("Hmmm, that sounds like a nerdy guy from L.A. trying to do the voice of a tough guy from Harlem" or "Hmmm, Black Canary sure sounds seductive for someone who just got beat up" or "Hmmm, Granny Goodness sounds like a dude").

Kinda like watching Robert Downey Jr in Tropic Thunder. He sounds like a white dude, trying to do the voice of a black dude. Brilliant; but still obvious to the ear.

By contrast I think the Avengers have been perfect, without exception. Everything really works, especially the Hulk. (probably Phill Lamar too :))

Saving up for Season One DVD now!

JLU = A
AEMH = A+

[Munkiman]

My original thought was not to diss work on the JLU (I loved the show), just make an observation that at times certain voices seemed to draw my attention from the scene. ("Hmmm, that sounds like a nerdy guy from L.A. trying to do the voice of a tough guy from Harlem" or "Hmmm, Black Canary sure sounds seductive for someone who just got beat up" or "Hmmm, Granny Goodness sounds like a dude").

Kinda like watching Robert Downey Jr in Tropic Thunder. He sounds like a white dude, trying to do the voice of a black dude. Brilliant; but still obvious to the ear.

By contrast I think the Avengers have been perfect, without exception. Everything really works, especially the Hulk. (probably Phill Lamar too :))

Saving up for Season One DVD now!

JLU = A
AEMH = A+
Fair enough! Though for the record, Downey Jr was playing a white dude trying to do the voice of a black dude.

[RoyalRubble]

Great episode, even though it was basically just one big fight scene. But with the beautiful fight scenes they've done on the show so far I'm not complaining.

The Avengers worked surprisingly well as a team (mostly thanks to Captain America's strategies... he's a born leader after all) against Kang's machines. I loved seeing all of them in action, and hearing about the friendly little competition that was going on between Thor and Hulk. Hawkeye was also great in this episode, fighting all those robots. Wasp was used well here, with her flying the Quinjet and shooting robots everywhere; her lines were pretty cool as well. Captain America is definitely a born leader, and his strategies in this episode worked pretty well. I especially liked the look on Hulk's face when Captain America gave him an "order"... and a little more tension between him and Iron Man was handled well when he gave Black Panther permission to go back to Wakanda. I thought Iron Man wasn't really used enough during the fight scenes, but his mission of finding where exactly Kang is was necessary. At first I thought the reason why Iron Man couldn't detect Kang was because Kang didn't actually come back to this time, he only sent his armies, and he was still in the future. Turns out it was just a very high-tech cloaking device.

Teaching Ultrons the concept of "violence"... I'm sure nothing bad will come out of this, right? ;) Really liked how once the Ultrons were re-programmed their eyes started glowing red. It creates a creepy atmosphere. I was kinda surprised that Wasp was the one with the idea of using Ultrons as an army, but you can see she hesitated about mentioning her idea. She herself said the previous episode they were creepy. (And to think, towards the beginning of the series, she thought Ultron was just boring). The way this show has been going lately, I'm sure the Ultron saga will be handled well; it's just a matter of time.

While I was impressed with the animation, pacing and fight scenes this episode had to offer, I noticed some of the scenes with the Avengers fighting Kang's army were previosuly seen in that short preview clip that was released a long time ago, before the series started airing. I liked it back then, I'm loving it now. The only thing I was slightly disappointed with in this episode was the lack of any other super hero cameos. Sure we got the Black Knight (I thought he was Dreadknight at first :sweat:), but it would have been nice to see others as well. I guess it's still too early in the series for that, but they could have at least shown us a couple more heroes fighting to save the world. But it's only a minor thing, and it didn't stop me from enjoying the rest of the episode.

Favorite quote(s) of the episode. Well the first one's from Wasp, "I found bigger stingers", which was just awesome, and the second one is from Hulk: "Maybe I will rest now", which was just funny. (Also my new user title, for a while)

And a short Marvel Animated Chronology about Black Knight. While I am not familiar with this character from the comics (and I see according to Wikipedia there have been at least 4 different characters that used this name), but I remember one character called Black Knight appearing in an episode of the Spider-Man and His Amazing Friends show from the 80s, and more recently another Black Knight (apparently called the Vatican Black Knight) appearing on the Black Panther animated series.

This episode was just great, and now that Kang has been found, the final (?) battle is about to begin...

[dmxx116]

Kang’s invasion of Earth have started with his fleet of ships from the future spread across the planet, Captain America takes over the team while Iron Man searches for Kang himself,But during that time the Avengers are helpless to stop it. Their only hope is to get a army of Ultron from prison 42 to even the odds.

http://i.annihil.us/u/prod/marvel/i/mg/6/90/4d5c93457ee20.jpg

http://marvel.com/videos/watch/1747/the_avengers_emh_2010_season_1-_ep_17

[Taskmaster]

I liked this episode too. I wasn't totally blown away just because it seemed like they are just building the explosive finale of this three parter but other than that it there wasn't too much to complain about. Well the part about the robots regenerating being forgotten is a something that I think could have been handled better.

Animation was good here, obviously this being a big episode it should look just a bit nicer than the norm. The one shot that stood out was Panther running along the building. Most of the characters got their moment to shine which is cool, I think the one I liked the most was Wasp's bigger stingers.


I realize animation is very subjective the very word is sooo ambiguous to me but to my eye "Come the Conqueror" was one of the WORST looking episodes to me in animation or designs.

The robots specifically looked really cheap and rubbery. Everything looked cheap and just off to me in the action sequences. Explosions looked amateurish and the Avengers themselves in action looked very low budget in every scenario. When Cap and Hawkeye drop out of the sky for some reason stuck out to me when they hit the ground and go into action I was distracted by bad the movements and animation looked. Anything the Hulk did looked cheap ripping through robots as well.

I watched an old episode of GI JOE from the 80's later that night and I swear everything looked better to me in every way. From explosions to kinetic acrobatics and obviously designs. I mean this is 19 friggin 85 outclassing something produced by Disney in 2010/11. How can this be?

The funny thing is not every episode looks this bad to me. "Man Who Stole Tomorrow" I really thought looked very good/slick and YET it's the same storyline and two eps look drastically different. Do they use different animation studios like the old BTAS STAS did from ep to ep?

[The Octopus]

Do they use different animation studios like the old BTAS STAS did from ep to ep?
Nope. They conisistently use Lotto Animation Studios and Noxxon Eneterprise Inc, just like Young Justice uses Moi Animation.
Lotto has always had the reputation of looking more cartoony. Albeit they did Superman: Doomsday and it looked pretty good. Same with Superman/Batman: Public Enemies. They also did some "The Batman" episodes too (not sure which ones tho).
And Noxxon did Wolverine and the X-Men, which was very well animated.

[King_of_doom]

I realize animation is very subjective the very word is sooo ambiguous to me but to my eye "Come the Conqueror" was one of the WORST looking episodes to me in animation or designs.

The robots specifically looked really cheap and rubbery. Everything looked cheap and just off to me in the action sequences. Explosions looked amateurish and the Avengers themselves in action looked very low budget in every scenario. When Cap and Hawkeye drop out of the sky for some reason stuck out to me when they hit the ground and go into action I was distracted by bad the movements and animation looked. Anything the Hulk did looked cheap ripping through robots as well.

I do agree that the design of the robots look a bit cheap but still i have seen worst.

[macattack]

And Noxxon did Wolverine and the X-Men, which was very well animated.

Actually, from what little I've seen of WatXM, it seemed to be pretty choppy animation-wise. I think Lotto churns out some good work though.

[Munkiman]

I realize animation is very subjective the very word is sooo ambiguous to me but to my eye "Come the Conqueror" was one of the WORST looking episodes to me in animation or designs.

The robots specifically looked really cheap and rubbery. Everything looked cheap and just off to me in the action sequences. Explosions looked amateurish and the Avengers themselves in action looked very low budget in every scenario. When Cap and Hawkeye drop out of the sky for some reason stuck out to me when they hit the ground and go into action I was distracted by bad the movements and animation looked. Anything the Hulk did looked cheap ripping through robots as well.

I watched an old episode of GI JOE from the 80's later that night and I swear everything looked better to me in every way. From explosions to kinetic acrobatics and obviously designs. I mean this is 19 friggin 85 outclassing something produced by Disney in 2010/11. How can this be?

The funny thing is not every episode looks this bad to me. "Man Who Stole Tomorrow" I really thought looked very good/slick and YET it's the same storyline and two eps look drastically different. Do they use different animation studios like the old BTAS STAS did from ep to ep?
That's pretty strange. It seemed pretty much the same as other episodes to me, maybe better. What do you mean by "cheap?" Not sure I get that. Still, different strokes.

[Wonderwall]

I realize animation is very subjective the very word is sooo ambiguous to me

Tell that to my 3D animation teacher;). If there's one thing I learned it's that there is such thing as bad animation and usually anyone can see it.


The robots specifically looked really cheap and rubbery. Everything looked cheap and just off to me in the action sequences. Explosions looked amateurish and the Avengers themselves in action looked very low budget in every scenario. When Cap and Hawkeye drop out of the sky for some reason stuck out to me when they hit the ground and go into action I was distracted by bad the movements and animation looked. Anything the Hulk did looked cheap ripping through robots as well.

I watched an old episode of GI JOE from the 80's later that night and I swear everything looked better to me in every way. From explosions to kinetic acrobatics and obviously designs. I mean this is 19 friggin 85 outclassing something produced by Disney in 2010/11. How can this be?

I remember liking some aspects in this episode although I usually watch these on the day of or after airing and I don't compare them to previous episodes or really rewatch them at the moment. But I don't really understand what you mean by cheap as that comes as a very vague term that you're using without much in examples. The only thing I didn't like was the robot designs as they looked pretty bland. But they were rubbery because they had tentacles.

As for how this can look worse than GI Joe from the 80s? I don't perhaps you could be exaggerating the awfulness?

[Taskmaster]

Nope. They conisistently use Lotto Animation Studios and Noxxon Eneterprise Inc, just like Young Justice uses Moi Animation.
Lotto has always had the reputation of looking more cartoony. Albeit they did Superman: Doomsday and it looked pretty good. Same with Superman/Batman: Public Enemies. They also did some "The Batman" episodes too (not sure which ones tho).
And Noxxon did Wolverine and the X-Men, which was very well animated.

Thanks for the insight, you really know your way around an animation studio. I had a vague idea A: EMH used the same animation crew W:XMEN did but I just didn't catch it on first glance nuance wise. It seemed a little more detailed/sharper on W: X-MEN but I'll juxtapose both series again to confirm it.

I WISH AVENGERS: EMH used YJ's "Moi Animation" because if it did we may be looking at a perfect series. This is a studio that can actually handle all the modern comic book designs coupled with kinetic action sequences minus the horrible edits and backgrounds this "Lotto" seems to give us.

But on the positive side if indeed the animation on A: EMH is the same as W: X-MEN then a big crossover shouldn't be out of anyone's Chris Yosty wheelhouse.