Disney channel gender bias?

[heroman]

Not trying to start a thread for fighting or anything but I brought up in a post that disney has aimed less at girls because at a certain age boys want action and comedy two things everyone can enjoy and girls want romance and prince charmming not being sexist but it's something tht happens to everyone.My point is disney channel seems to be aimed at young girls and I belive it's stained disneys good image for alot of the young male audince.The proof is in the fact disney xd has so far failed to bring in more boys than girls which is sad but true.SO i'd like to here others opinions on this and what they think about disneys gender issue or if they think one is they're at all.Rember this is my opinion and everyone here is allowed to let they're opinions even if you disagree.

[Alec]

I agree, after those finale cartoons let DC, it became a hang out for girls. Disney tried to make Disney XD for for and DC for girls, something I think shouldn't have happened. I think Disney should make shows for both genders but I don't think Disney wants that.

[heroman]

The problem I think is anee sweeny because some of her comments give off hints of sexism and her being apart of lifetime a channel known as being very no boys allowedish doesn't help her case.I personally think they need to split the pwoer up or do more family stuff like good luck charlie.Nick has found a balance that's worked and besides victourios dan schinders ggirl oreinted programs are big on guy ratings so mabey that's what they need is a dan for them.

[ABrown]

To be honest, I find Disney animation to be pretty gender neutral. I think that they have a very nice balance where the animation isn't too princess(y) for the boys, nor is it too testosterone(y) for girls.

[heroman]

To be honest, I find Disney animation to be pretty gender neutral. I think that they have a very nice balance where the animation isn't too princess(y) for the boys, nor is it too testosterone(y) for girls.
Ah but I didn't say animation I was aimming at the channel really

[Rud]

even if there was, i dont think its a big deal, not all channels have to or should try to appeal to everyone.

[ABrown]

Ah but I didn't say animation I was aimming at the channel really

Well really here we're only supposed to be talking about the animation part of Disney. The live parts are supposed to be discussed in the Entertainment section.

[Kuromi_Star]

Plus, the same thing could be said for CN. When's the last time they make something that would appeal to a girl? I mean if you're going to start calling people out...

As far as the animation goes, Disney has always been very good at gender neutral animation and merchandise for that matter (minus the Princess movies I suppose..) Even though I don't have a bunch of nice things to say about Fish Hooks so far, it's just as appealing to all genders and P&F

[heroman]

even if there was, i dont think its a big deal, not all channels have to or should try to appeal to everyone.
But my problem is that disney has kinda always appealed o everyone and the fact the channels strayed from that iriitates me.The channel doesn't have to be the butt of everyones jokes if they hired someone who could if anything make the channel more family oreinted I mean they'res no need to have a disney xd or disney junior if your handleing things right.

Oh and to the other poster i was going to call out cn but decided aganist it but that is a good point about it being mainly aimed at boys but when watching cn you can safely say total drama,adventure time,regular show,mad,tower prep and the soon to be looney tunes and how to train your dragon are all at least aim broader than disney.

[Ed Liu]

But my problem is that disney has kinda always appealed o everyone and the fact the channels strayed from that iriitates me.The channel doesn't have to be the butt of everyones jokes if they hired someone who could if anything make the channel more family oreinted I mean they'res no need to have a disney xd or disney junior if your handleing things right.
As I've said elsewhere, $276 million in advertising and $11 billion in Dora merchandising (http://www.toonzone.net/news/articles/35601/wsj-on-disney-vs.-nick-for-hearts-and-minds-and-eyeballs-of-pre-schoolers) says that they do need Disney Junior, if only to challenge Nickelodeon's domination of that space. No matter how good or bad the art is, you don't get to make more of it if you aren't making money. Disney as a company has nearly died on multiple occasions because of high-profile money pits, sometimes on stuff that was ahead of its time (like Sleeping Beauty) and sometimes because they were making real crap nobody liked (most of the 70's and early 80's).

I'd also say that Disney has not always appealed to everyone. Shows like Zorro and movies like 20,000 Leagues Under the Sea were going to be a lot more appealing to boys than girls, and if boys were drawn to something like The Annette Funicello Show, it was largely because of the feminine charms of its star, not because the show was geared to appeal across all audiences.

To an extent, I agree that Disney has focused a bit too narrowly on some audiences lately, but focusing on an audience is not automatically a bad thing. Not everything can or should be for all audiences, and aiming something at a specific group doesn't automatically make a show bad. Shows like Hannah Montana or Wizards of Waverly Place are not bad because they're aimed at girls. They're bad because they suck. Shows like I'm in the Band or Pair of Kings on Disney XD aren't bad because they're aimed at boys. They're bad because they suck. But I'll point to stuff like the Tinker Bell movies (a lot more for girls than boys) or Avengers: Earth's Mightiest Heroes (a lot more for boys than girls) as stuff that's aimed at a pretty specific gender audience but which are still extremely good.

[heroman]

As I've said elsewhere, $276 million in advertising and $11 billion in Dora merchandising (http://www.toonzone.net/news/articles/35601/wsj-on-disney-vs.-nick-for-hearts-and-minds-and-eyeballs-of-pre-schoolers) says that they do need Disney Junior, if only to challenge Nickelodeon's domination of that space. No matter how good or bad the art is, you don't get to make more of it if you aren't making money. Disney as a company has nearly died on multiple occasions because of high-profile money pits, sometimes on stuff that was ahead of its time (like Sleeping Beauty) and sometimes because they were making real crap nobody liked (most of the 70's and early 80's).

I'd also say that Disney has not always appealed to everyone. Shows like Zorro and movies like 20,000 Leagues Under the Sea were going to be a lot more appealing to boys than girls, and if boys were drawn to something like The Annette Funicello Show, it was largely because of the feminine charms of its star, not because the show was geared to appeal across all audiences.

To an extent, I agree that Disney has focused a bit too narrowly on some audiences lately, but focusing on an audience is not automatically a bad thing. Not everything can or should be for all audiences, and aiming something at a specific group doesn't automatically make a show bad. Shows like Hannah Montana or Wizards of Waverly Place are not bad because they're aimed at girls. They're bad because they suck. Shows like I'm in the Band or Pair of Kings on Disney XD aren't bad because they're aimed at boys. They're bad because they suck. But I'll point to stuff like the Tinker Bell movies (a lot more for girls than boys) or Avengers: Earth's Mightiest Heroes (a lot more for boys than girls) as stuff that's aimed at a pretty specific gender audience but which are still extremely good.
Hannah sucks because it sucks but waverly place isn't a bad show and it's mostly aimed at families with each family member getting a sizable part.Avengers is done by the marvel studio and superheroes are pretty gender unspecific and they're more if you choose to see them as guy things.

[Kuromi_Star]

How are superheroes gender unspecific? I concede to the fact that I like them, but that's because I'm a geek, who grew up in a geeky household and grew up on the stuff. Not because It's gender neutral. I assure you, all my other female friends were not anticipating the new super hero show. Have you ever seen the advertising for and during those shows? That's a pretty good way to tell you who exactly the show is being aimed at.

Same for Wizards. Though I'm not very interested in the show, I have seen a few episodes and I've seen Selena Gomez's face on all manner of posters, kid sized purses, pink and turquoise bed spread, girl shoes and bread. Most of that stuff is specifically girl oriented, similar to the show. Just because something doesn't star a mostly female cast (a la Tinkerbell) doesn't mean it's not aimed at girls. A lot of Nick shows are good examples of this.

Honestly, I think Disney got itself into a hole when they started making all of the tween-coms and none of them (maybe minus Zack and Cody) appealed to boys. Since they had all but given up on non theatrical cartoons at one point, they kind of solidified their place in people's minds as the pop idol girly channel. All they could do at that point is to make DXD the place for the opposite demographic.

[Dudley]

I'm glad to see that it's still true that Disney XD is getting a lot of female viewers.
It explains why I keep seeing so many girl-related toys advertised.

[heroman]

How are superheroes gender unspecific? I concede to the fact that I like them, but that's because I'm a geek, who grew up in a geeky household and grew up on the stuff. Not because It's gender neutral. I assure you, all my other female friends were not anticipating the new super hero show. Have you ever seen the advertising for and during those shows? That's a pretty good way to tell you who exactly the show is being aimed at.

Same for Wizards. Though I'm not very interested in the show, I have seen a few episodes and I've seen Selena Gomez's face on all manner of posters, kid sized purses, pink and turquoise bed spread, girl shoes and bread. Most of that stuff is specifically girl oriented, similar to the show. Just because something doesn't star a mostly female cast (a la Tinkerbell) doesn't mean it's not aimed at girls. A lot of Nick shows are good examples of this.

Honestly, I think Disney got itself into a hole when they started making all of the tween-coms and none of them (maybe minus Zack and Cody) appealed to boys. Since they had all but given up on non theatrical cartoons at one point, they kind of solidified their place in people's minds as the pop idol girly channel. All they could do at that point is to make DXD the place for the opposite demographic.
They're are female heroes and honestly they play into the fairytale some young girls have about a great hero saving them really superheroes have kept the princess genre alive in a weird way.

Your right the merchandise does go for selena but she's a popular character and the show did begin really focusing on her.And as you said disney did throught themselves in a hole and even disney xd has failed to garner the guys which is incredibly sad that disney besides it's films such as pirates or pixar it's now known as for girls.

[Mia]

To speak about Wizards, my brother adores the show and it's not female skewed. The merchandise is, but the show itself is pretty gender neutral.

[Antiyonder]

How are superheroes gender unspecific?

Maybe not gender specific, but has characters that are more likable than those you'd find in some sitcoms, and more emphasis on storytelling rather than sterotyping.

It's the same reason that The Famous Jett Jackson and Even Steven are perhaps my favorite sitcoms from Disney. Do they have sterotypes and cliches? Sure, but not as much as some of the other sitcoms. For instance, lets compare Lizzie McGuire and Even Stevens.

Matt McGuire is pretty annoying as a young sibling (almost as much as DW from Arthur), whereas Louis Stevens is a likable character. Lizzie's dad is pretty stupid, whereas Ren & Louis' dad is clueless while still being competent. Lizzie is no better herself as she has that whole "pity me, I'm ugly and not popular" routine that a good portion of sitcom girls stress over, whereas Ren isn't overly concerned about that.

Kim Possible is also enjoyable for that reason. Smart dad, likable annoying siblings and heck, Kim's crush for an early portion of the series is a smart student rather than a dumb jock. For bonus points, the Christmas episode doesn't fall into the who "character must learn the true meaning of Christmas" bit.

So, to put it short, less sterotyping and more storytelling makes for more appeal.

[Justy]

I don't think there's any more of a gender bias at Disney than there is at CN, Nick, or the Hub. Disney has opened themselves up for complaints by confirming that Disney Channel's biggest audience is girls and Disney XD was set up to try to attract boys (review their press relases about XD).

The tween comedies that both Nick and Disney have created in the past few years are, for the most part, aimed at girls, with cute boys and/or teen girls as lead characters. Though I haven't watched every show, I think I can safely say that they don't suck just because they suck. They rely on a lot of stupid jokes and embarrasing situations and misunderstandings--things that have proven to be popular with kids and teens. A few are aimed at boys, usually the ones that feature gross humor and somewhat less than cute boys or try to be more adventure oriented.

As far as animation is concerned, there's what I think is an obvious bias against shows that feature female characters or have any regular situations involving romance or even strong emotions as opposed to fighting and explosions. The lack of such programs on these stations is obvious enough, but specifically, why is one of Disney's most recent (and most successful) animated series not airing when its content clearly makes it perfect for Disney XD (I'm referring to KP, of course) and why has they're been ZERO focus on the female members of Young Justice, not even in promos? The real confirmation will come if there are any eps that focus on the girls or have rather emotional content.

[Doguineta]

Shows like Hannah Montana or Wizards of Waverly Place are not bad because they're aimed at girls. They're bad because they suck.

I'm a guy and Wizards happens to be one of my favourite shows on the network. And Hannah Montana is not that bad either.

[heroman]

I don't think there's any more of a gender bias at Disney than there is at CN, Nick, or the Hub. Disney has opened themselves up for complaints by confirming that Disney Channel's biggest audience is girls and Disney XD was set up to try to attract boys (review their press relases about XD).

The tween comedies that both Nick and Disney have created in the past few years are, for the most part, aimed at girls, with cute boys and/or teen girls as lead characters. Though I haven't watched every show, I think I can safely say that they don't suck just because they suck. They rely on a lot of stupid jokes and embarrasing situations and misunderstandings--things that have proven to be popular with kids and teens. A few are aimed at boys, usually the ones that feature gross humor and somewhat less than cute boys or try to be more adventure oriented.

As far as animation is concerned, there's what I think is an obvious bias against shows that feature female characters or have any regular situations involving romance or even strong emotions as opposed to fighting and explosions. The lack of such programs on these stations is obvious enough, but specifically, why is one of Disney's most recent (and most successful) animated series not airing when its content clearly makes it perfect for Disney XD (I'm referring to KP, of course) and why has they're been ZERO focus on the female members of Young Justice, not even in promos? The real confirmation will come if there are any eps that focus on the girls or have rather emotional content.
The female members in young justice are in promos so they'res a logic fail right they're and the fact that the show hasn't even really started yet it's only airing repeats.he first episode worked better with just the three of them because they weren't to stronge and you saw how easily superboy got through imagine having a girl who can do all his stuff and phase through walls.I'd rather have quality than shoehorning in gender just for putting it in they're.

[Justy]

The female members in young justice are in promos so they'res a logic fail right they're and the fact that the show hasn't even really started yet it's only airing repeats.he first episode worked better with just the three of them because they weren't to stronge and you saw how easily superboy got through imagine having a girl who can do all his stuff and phase through walls.I'd rather have quality than shoehorning in gender just for putting it in they're.A random cut or two showing the two girls attacking someone isn't what I'd call "in the promos". Any prolonged scenes or dialogue for them in those promos? Uh, that would be "no".

How the girls are used or not used is not really the point right now. How about just acknowleging that they'll be a part of the team, other than just showing them on a still picture? I'm wagering that they'll be a bigger part of the show than any of the pre-premiere or current promos represent.

[heroman]

A random cut or two showing the two girls attacking someone isn't what I'd call "in the promos". Any prolonged scenes or dialogue for them in those promos? Uh, that would be "no".

How the girls are used or not used is not really the point right now. How about just acknowleging that they'll be a part of the team, other than just showing them on a still picture? I'm wagering that they'll be a bigger part of the show than any of the pre-premiere or current promos represent.
They are acknowledge the ending of the first ep had miss martian joining,aand besides it seems the promos are only showing the first eps dialouge and since they weren't they're it's pretty normal.The boys themselves got more dialouge probally because they're the starters of young justice.