Has Pixar overcasted otherwise great movies?

[Lavenderpaw]

The title is self-evident, so I'll go right into emphasizing my point:

1. (1995) Toy Story came out the year after the enormous Lion King success, effortlessly beating out a certain Native American movie but overtaking the memorable Balto as well.

2. (1998) Bugs Life pretty much showed everyone that Pixar could come up with bizarrer ideas; and this in turn outdid Mulan when the movie would have possibly made a more pivotal movie.

3. (1999) Toy Story 2. By now, it's inevitable where the animated medium is headed. I enjoyed this movie, but it's not the greatest animated movie either. Tarzan made a great stride to compete but in the end lost. The Iron Giant, easily the most magical but sadly memory-lapsing animated film, was overwhelmingly overlooked by both films: But we all know which of the three made the others have to fight for their right to even exist.

3. (2001) Monsters Inc. An endearing movie, without a doubt. And very funny. But a greater movie then itself made it's presence hardly known - the great and wonderfully made Spirited Away.

4. (2003) By the time Finding Nemo came around, Traditional Animation was nowhere to be found except for the bland and largely disposable Brother Bear. The previous year had seen hope with the unusual but engaging Lilo and Stitch, only to have things run afoul for Disney. Ice Age is worth mentioning if only for Scrat.

5. (2004) The Incredibles. Any challengers? Anyone?

6. (2006) Cars. Finally, in the face of this monster of merchandizing, one movie stood up to Pixar and tapped it's way into the hearts of nature conservationists everywhere. If only to show the world that a movie could have a good story and sell toys to the tots (seriously: what would you pick? A huggble penguin from a movie called Happy Feet or a rusty tow truck from a talking car movie.) Case in point.

7. (2007) Ratatouille. Challengers? No one. Surfs up? How ya doin'! What's that? You're out sick. OK, anyone else? Anyone we can remember?

8. (2008) Wall - E. No one...? *sigh*

9. (2009) Up (my favorite Pixar movie next to Toy Story 1 BTW). Hi there... you're name is Coraline? And you come with character development and storytelling capabilites? Do tell!

10. And finally, our current year. I agree with everyone that Toy Story 3 is a good move. It's emotionally appealing and has it's moments. But the true gem of 2010, in my truest opinion, belongs to How To Train Your Dragon; which is a good one point from matching TS3.

You just can't lose, can you Pixar? Your public won't let you.

[EinBebop]

The title is self-evidentNo, it's not... I thought this thread was about the casting choices, and I got halfway through the post before I figured out what the real point was. Perhaps 'overshadowed' would have been a better word.

[moo92]

Dude I'm confused, what was your point? So Pixar movies overshadow other animated movies....so what?

And I disagree with number ten, both were very good movies but Toy Story 3 was better.:)

[CatChancey]

I'd agree that Pixar certainly comes out on top almost all the time, but it'd only be an issue if their movies were bad - like how those Epic/Date/Scary/Super Hero/Disaster "Movies" keeps making millions of dollars.

For the record, I did prefer Spirited Away, Lilo & Stitch, and Coraline to their Pixar counter parts, and didn't see anything the year Cars came out.

[TnAdct1]

In response to a number of things:


3. (1999) Toy Story 2. By now, it's inevitable where the animated medium is headed. I enjoyed this movie, but it's not the greatest animated movie either. Tarzan made a great stride to compete but in the end lost. The Iron Giant, easily the most magical but sadly memory-lapsing animated film, was overwhelmingly overlooked by both films: But we all know which of the three made the others have to fight for their right to even exist. First, part of The Iron Giant not being as successful as it hoped full can be blamed on the fact that the film was released on a weekend where a number of films (including the Sixth Sense) came out, resulting in it getting lost in the shuffle. I wonder if the film could have done better if it was released during a different time of the year.

Second, to me, 1999 was the year that animation was finally making its mark in recent cinema, with Iron Giant, TS3, and the South Park movie being hits with the critcs and TS3 and the first Pokemon movie being hits at the box office.


3. (2001) Monsters Inc. An endearing movie, without a doubt. And very funny. But a greater movie then itself made it's presence hardly known - the great and wonderfully made Spirited Away. First, Spirited Away wasn't release in the United States until 2002. Second, Studio Ghibli movies were still a "niche" title in the United States at this time. Hence, it wasn't until Spirited Away won the Oscar that people began to notice the various works of Miyazaki.


5. (2004) The Incredibles. Any challengers? Anyone? Shrek 2?

[DarthGonzo]

Additionally, Iron Giant came out over the Summer while Toy Story 2 was released during the holiday season. So how TS2 took anything way from The Iron Giant is beyond me. What really killed Iron Giant was lack of advertising and support from Warner Bros. To many people Iron Giant was just a memory by the time Toy Story 2 was released.

[PaperBritt]

I'd agree that Pixar certainly comes out on top almost all the time, but it'd only be an issue if their movies were bad - like how those Epic/Date/Scary/Super Hero/Disaster "Movies" keeps making millions of dollars.

Agreed. As long as the people making all the money are the people who do it best, I don't care (just for the record though, Miyazaki movies always do HUGE in Japan, so I really don't care if they under perform here.)

[suss2it]

Second, to me, 1999 was the year that animation was finally making its mark in recent cinema, with Iron Giant, TS3, and the South Park movie being hits with the critcs and TS3 and the first Pokemon movie being hits at the box office.
Really? What about the Disney renaissance era? Those movies grossed a lot of money and I Believe The Beauty and the Beast was nominated for best picture at the Academy Awards.




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[DarthGonzo]

I think the word the original poster was looking for was "overshadowed".

[AerostarMonk]

I know I'm probably alone here but I still think the whole double dip nomination with Up at the Oscars was a blunder of epic proportions that made the other nominees in the Best Animated category look kind of worthless.

But I've talked about this at length in various other threads so I won't repeat it here.