The Spectacular Spider-Man -- What could have been...

[GregX]

I was inspired to start this thread because last night, Greg Weisman gave me permission to update GargWiki (http://gargoyles.dracandros.com) with this little tidbit:


It is also worth nothing that had The Spectacular Spider-Man received a third season, Greg Weisman had planned to cast Marina Sirtis as Emily Osborn.

So, for those of you Spectacular Spider-Man fans who kept wondering what she was supposed to sound like. Well, there you go.

I've been speculating for a while now what she would have been like. Weisman hasn't told me beyond seeing hints in the Radio Play, and Marina's casting. But, I am thinking that Emily would not have been a very nice person at all, if not an outright sinister character. Exactly the type of woman Norman Osborn would marry.

I know, Marina is generally known for playing the nicest character in the universe, but look at who Weisman has been casting her as? Demona, Margot Yale, and now Queen Bee in "Young Justice." Two villains, and one extremely unpleasant individual.

Now, moving off the subject of Emily. Here's what he also said about how he would have developed Flash Thompson and his relationship to Peter...


Okay. Here's my thinking. Peter and Flash were best friends at age @4. Then Peter's parents died. Flash's dad was a soldier and then a cop (both dangerous jobs). Young Flash couldn't deal with being that close to death. He didn't want to play with Peter anymore. And in his own YOUNG mind he had to find a way to justify/rationalize his decision that wasn't about his fears. So he convinced himself that Peter was a stuck-up egghead (or somesuch) who deserved to be dumped as a friend.

By the time WE meet Flash and Peter at the beginning of their junior year of high school, Flash's mindset is fairly well entrenched and the original reason for it is lost to him. Somewhere deep down, he knows better and given enough time and episodes we would have eventually dealt with this objectively in the series. Not to be, I'm afraid...

http://www.s8.org/gargoyles/askgreg/search.php?qid=12359

Very deep. A shame we'll never see it.

And obviously, we all know Scorpion and Hobgoblin were coming in season three. We already saw Roderick Kingsley in season two, and heard Mac Gargan's name mentioned.

As for further speculation. As much as I disdain the character, I believe we'd have gotten Carnage in the third season. Eddie Brock was sent to Ravencroft, and we already had a glimpse of Cletus Kasady in Ravencroft.

I also think Belladonna was a sure thing. Weisman made a point of mentioning that Kingsley owned a perfume company, which I am sure was laying pipe for Belladonna. Not to mention Greg loves writing female villains, and sadly Spidey has a shortage of them.

Thoughts? Speculation?

[Wonderwall]

I would have liked to see what Scorpion and Hobgoblin might have looked like. I've always liked both characters so it sucks we never got to see them.

A number of stories we never got the payoff for I would have liked to have seen. Who takes over crime with Tombstone in a weakened state and Goblin gone? Harry/Gwen/ Peter story?

But the one I really wanted to see was JJ really start to take his anti-Spider Man stance to a very personal level with what happened to John Jameson. I thought that was a really good reason for him to have beef with Spidey that was more than just selling papers.

[Nygma]

One thing I would take a guess on is Emily's silence. Personally I think Emily at this point is the kind of woman that Norman loves to control and has been conditioned to seemingly do whatever Norman wants her to do. That's just my guess.

Greg also mentioned how plans for Kraven and Manwolf were connected. My guess on that is that there is more to Calypso than we've seen at this point. With more episodes I think Calypso would've been a good gateway into more of the mystical stuff in Spidey's world (despite how poorly she might of been portrayed in the comics). Namely The Tablet of Life and Time.

I also think Black Cat and Spidey being aware of each others identity's would've come down the road eventually.

[W.C.Reaf]

I was inspired to start this thread because last night, Greg Weisman gave me permission to update GargWiki (http://gargoyles.dracandros.com) with this little tidbit:

Damn you for giving me more awesome info for a series that won't happen.:sad:


I know, Marina is generally known for playing the nicest character in the universe, but look at who Weisman has been casting her as? Demona, Margot Yale, and now Queen Bee in "Young Justice." Two villains, and one extremely unpleasant individual.

I wouldn't exactly call Demona an extremely unpleasant individual, more of an extremely psychotic one. :p

On a serious note I think we might've seen a clone story at some point. Greg has said about Miles Warren that they didn't have time to waste and saying he was there for a reason. So probably the first clone saga with the Ben Riley clone escaping at the end if I had to guess.

[Nygma]

Greg has said about Miles Warren that they didn't have time to waste and saying he was there for a reason. So probably the first clone saga with the Ben Riley clone escaping at the end if I had to guess.

I think him having a hand in Scorpion's creation might've come first. But that's just my guess.

[W.C.Reaf]

I think him having a hand in Scorpion's creation might've come first. But that's just my guess.

More than likely he would've done. I've always wondered how Scorpion would've been done in this series as him being made by Jameson doesn't really fit with the character.

[AlgeaX]

More than likely he would've done. I've always wondered how Scorpion would've been done in this series as him being made by Jameson doesn't really fit with the character.

I don't know, after what happened to John I can buy JJJ doing something that dangerous and reckless to get revenge on Spider-Man. One of the things I really liked was how they gradualy built up Jonah's hatred of Spidey in a believable way.

[Mistah K88]

I had a feeling Sirtis would have been Emily Osborn. I was thinking about that when she was announced to be Queen Bee. Still wonder if she was in on the whole Green Goblin thing...

As for Hobgoblin, we've seen Roderick and Daniel Kingsley already (I was hoping to see Roddy one more time before the season ended), Ned Lee was also given both a Spider-Man exposé and a Green Goblin exposé in season 1. This was touched on a bit in season 2 when Venom reveals Spider-Man's identity. He'd most likely be given a Hobgoblin exposé when Hobby appears. I also wonder how they'd handle the mystery since they did that exact same thing with Gobby. I'm sure it would have been different (with Daniel there and all) and Norman came up with framing Harry at the last minute, thus still linking the Green Goblin to himself, where Kingsley gets some random schmuck to take the fall and gets off scott free.

Also as mentioned Belladonna was a given as Greg put such emphasis on Kingsley's background before he donned the mask (he's not a fashion designer in this continuity, but he does run a perfume company). I do wonder how they would have expanded on her though, she always seemed to have such a one track revenge on Kingsley thought process. If it were up to me, I'd make her Latina because come on, she's Carmen Sandiego!. However, a gas themed villainess who's deathly afraid of Spider-Man does seem to be very interesting.

As for Scopion, I'm pretty sure JJJ would have been involved...JJJ HAS to be involved. After what happened to his son, I'm sure he would have taken that step. Of course he wouldn't wake up one morning and do it out of the blue. It would have to he been built up like his hatred of Spider-Man. I do feel that we would have seen the Spencer Smythe and his Spider Slayers first and we would have gradually went up to human testing.

As Nygma said, his plans for Kraven and John Jameson were connected. I'm not sure if that means we'll see Man Wolf down the line, or even if Miles Warren will be involved.

Another thing worth mentioning is that Norman's hobby isn't a secret like it was in the comics. Everyone in New York knows that Norman Osborn is the Green Goblin. This was actually one of the secrets that Hobgoblin kept for leverage on the Osborn family. However, now it's public knowledge...I really wonder if that would have played out.

Oh, also there is once again a power vaccum in the gangs of New York...

[Aaron]

I woiuld have loved to see this develop.

I think JJJ working with Miles to create The Scorpion to get "revenge" for what happened to John would totally work.
I'd love to see his designs for the characters I think it would have been great.

And I've always liked Hobgoblin. So that could have been awesome.

Plus the possible inclusion of Carnage, maybe eventually having Venom become an anti-hero in some Season 3 finale.

Also, Greg had stated that he'd want a Sinister Six fight once per season. And with the new characters, I'd love to see a new roster.

I just wish we could get some images. I'd love to see what these characters might look like so I could better play out "what might have been" scenes in my head.

[SpaceWay2008]

Thanks, GregX for the news! Too bad we will never see how the story will unfold. I would have love to see Weisman's ideas in the third season. Curious to see the new villains and interesting character developments. :sad: