The Avengers: Earth's Mightiest Heroes "Panther's Quest" Talkback (Spoilers)

[James Harvey]

Discuss the all-new episode of The Avengers: Earth's Mightiest Heroes debuting tonight at 8:30pm (ET) on Disney XD!

http://marvel.toonzone.net/avengersemh/talkback.jpg (http://marvel.toonzone.net/avengersemh/)The Avengers: Earth's Mightiest Heroes "Panther's Quest"
Episode Premiere Date: November 17th, 2010
The Prince of Wakanda has been stalking the Avengers for weeks, and now the Black Panther strikes! The Panther wants the Avengers help in taking back the throne of Wakanda from the vicious Man-Ape. The problem is, they have to go through the Wakandan army, HYDRA, and Klaw to do it.

Comments?

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[trance2009]

Now this is how the BP animated series should be.

[Venom Melendez]

I loved the episode. Black Panther is badass and so was those two royal guards.

Also..... Is it me, or did Hamil use his Joker voice when Klaw became pure sound?

I also liked the Hulkbusters at the end, can't wait for Gammaworld.

[Manhunter]

Very satisfied with this episode.

[Eivion]

Thought this was a good episode, better than Cap's unfreezing, but not quite on the level of last week's with Wonder Man.

Also..... Is it me, or did Hamil use his Joker voice when Klaw became pure sound?

I thought he sounded very non-Joker. Actually his entire role as Klaw is the least he has sounded like Joker from the various voice roles I've seen him in.

[Marvin Tikvah]

Seems like the best episode so far. Panther had a nice amount of focus, and the battles were well paced. It kinda reminded me of a more condensed version of Ultimate Avengers 2.

Tony Stark was also at his funniest tonight. His smartass comments work much better in context like this.

[redlion]

What a great episode. Now this is how Black Panther should be done. This is his best animated appearance ever, imo. Loved the action and this show continuously nails the characterisations perfectly. The tiny details just makes this series shine all the more, such as Hank and Cap's conversation onboard the quinjet. Gamma World's teaser at the end........Awesome!!!!!

[RoyalRubble]

Great episode. Lots of action and some humorous moments as well. Really liked Iron Man's comments to just about all of his teammates. Black Panther was cool too. I wonder where Thor was during this episode.

Looking forward to the next episodes.

[NightwingAngelo]

What an awesome episode!!! Black Panther is quite the character. Loved how things unfolded, with us seeing Klaw become a form of energy.

Wasp was hilarious as always, especially when approaching the 50 foot tall thing. No pressure. :sweat:

Captain America was presented as a soldier, and he acts like one too. That was cool how he was second guessing Iron Man's command, but followed it anyway. I wonder if eventually the leadership will go to Captain America as the show progresses.

No Thor though. I wonder what might be going on.

Nice ending too. Came out of nowhere! :D

Great episode once again.

[HEATXZ]

Great episode :anime:
Shame that Thor was not in this episode
i like the fight scenes

[macattack]

I don't know, I didn't really like this one. It felt too rushed, like they were trying to cram two episodes of material into one. The Wonder Man episode felt the same way. Just too rushed.

There was some good moments, like Captain America's "science fiction" comment. But for the most part the whole thing was rushed. Klaw's transformation into the sound thing happened way too fast, and we didn't get any development or motivation for Strucker other than "for teh evulz".

Black Panther vs. Man-Ape also happened a bit too fast. I wanted some more build-up to the end. Instead, Man-Ape deployed his trump card almost immediately.

It's better than the Wonder Man ep but suffers from the same problems. Hopefully since Gamma World is a 2-parter there'll be more time for build-up so smackdowns have more impact, like in the Breakout 2-parter.

Gamma World looks like it's going to be full of body horror, though. There was a nice touch at the end with the Hulkbuster soldier (presumably) being killed by Abomination that was really intense. Nice little teaser of what's to come, though I half-wish they had saved the teaser for the beginning of Gamma World just to give the Black Panther story 30 more seconds so there could've been just a little more impact in the story.

[AlgeaX]

Another really good ep. Black Panther was very well depicted here, I esspecially liked all the call-backs to Christopher Priest's run on the character like the vibranium weave suit and the Dora Milaje (http://marvel.wikia.com/Dora_Milaje_(Earth-616)).

The humour also continues to be amusing and very natural to the characters, prime example being Cap's "Can the projectionist make this brighter?". It's both funny and perfectly in character.

I'm also loving Klaw's redesign, a big improvement over a guy in red spandex with no nose.

[Monte]

I don't know, I didn't really like this one. It felt too rushed, like they were trying to cram two episodes of material into one. The Wonder Man episode felt the same way. Just too rushed.


Ya i feel the same... i think that's one thing the Justice league got right in their series, in that a lot of the episodes were actually an hour long instead of just half an hour. Hell thinking back to the 90's marvel shows very often ended on cliffhangers with confrontations lasting more than one episode. You just don't get as much build up as you can in about 22 minutes of airtime... this is made even worse when you have to deal with multiple characters and locations... I mean any one hero and villain can take a whole episode to cover, much less a half-dozen heroes

[GWOtaku]

I didn't love it, but I liked it. This show continues to do a pretty decent job of actually giving the different heroes something to do beyond just being extra muscle. Hank has to be the brain, Wasp is the unfortunate decoy, Tony leads and finishes things off, Cap backs up Black Panther and enables him to do what he's got to do.

I'll agree that the pacing is fast. Whether it's too fast is up for debate though, and all things being equal I have to say that I prefer this pace to the stories that could feel too long in JL's first season. Besides, these early episodes do accomplish the task of introducing characters while attaching a sufficient story. Whether the show soars to truly great heights remains to be seen. So far so good for the series, though, I'd say.

Notice how Iron Man's personality caused some trouble again with how he underestimated the Wakandans? Heh.

The little touches are nice, such as Cap's projector comment and how he makes that but-this-is-what-your-people-want-right? point to Black Panther, motivating him to further justify why the Avengers should get involved. Black Panther's rationalization for joining makes sense, though in fairness to the "old ways" he wants to move on from they were subverted because the villain cheated. Still it's an obvious net good in the end, and Panther's great at providing ninja-esque, agility-based action to the show.

For better or worse, that "Cap is a soldier" moment seems to cement that Iron Man is the leader and Cap is the badass fighter. I suppose I can be okay with that if it doesn't change, although I hope that at least Steve Rogers won't stay stuck in the man-out-of-his-time phase forever. Even after he joins the Avengers he has that "what are you doing here, soldier" rumination before Nick Fury gives him his old motorcycle.....I'd love to see him grow, to get beyond this, to completely embrace his lot in life.

Wasp is just too entertaining. Please Janet, don't ever change.

[Venom Melendez]

Ya i feel the same... i think that's one thing the Justice league got right in their series,


YMMV, i always felt some of their plots dragged on too long.

But really,i think the pace in this episode was fine.




Klaw's transformation into the sound thing happened way too fast, and we didn't get any development or motivation for Strucker other than "for teh evulz".




What do you mean? Strucker wasn't in this episode.

Ad if you ment Klaw, we already saw his "motivation".

[macattack]

What do you mean? Strucker wasn't in this episode.

Ad if you ment Klaw, we already saw his "motivation".

I meant Grim Reaper. I keep getting him and Strucker mixed up.

[Wonderwall]

Yea I felt this was another really rushed episode again. The opening segment really felt like nothing got to breathe and everyone was talking really fast with intense pounding music. But I liked it slightly more than the last episode.

Black Panther is cool, although his abilities seemed a bit inconsistent. I really like his design. Thought his fight with Man Ape really lacked a lot of drama and wasn't as intense as his dad's encounter with him from the micro episode.

Where Iron Man was a nuisance in the last episode he was much more entertaining here. Last time his arrogance came off as stupidity, this time it was just straight arrogance and he got his comeuppance a few times for it. I like his banter with Hank, there seems to be a lot of bitterness from Ant Man with his snide remarks towards Tony. So even though the main plots seemed to be like roller coasters in pace I like that this little side story is taking it's time.

I also liked that this episode didn't end with another Enchantress recruiting bit as I think a third straight episode of that would be getting to formulaic and was starting to remind me too much of X men Evolution first season episodes. Seems this time the cliffhanger was of a more immediate threat which I'm looking forward to as it's a two parter and probably will have better pacing.

[Venom Melendez]

I meant Grim Reaper. I keep getting him and Strucker mixed up.


Ah ok.


Well, he's a Psycho for Hire and he was there picking up the vibranium for his boss.

[The Overlord]

I meant Grim Reaper. I keep getting him and Strucker mixed up.

Grim Reaper's motive is he is a sadistic psychopath who likes to hurt people, that's a common motive for really evil super villains, Bullseye never had a motive beyond that and people think he is a good villain. In the comics, Eric Williams would torture the family cat, future serial killers usually start by torturing animals. The reaper was likely born a psychopath.

Heck lots criminals in the real world have no motive beyond that, most serial killers are just psychopaths with sadistic tendencies. That's realistic motive for a psychopath, your average psychopath is not morally complex individual. Most psychopaths don't think what they are doing is for a greater good, they just don't care, they have no empathy and care only for themselves. Some people are not morally complex. Grim Reaper is far more realistic then your average goofy 80s cartoon villain.

[capfan1]

Another great episode,although not much action with Cap.I wish they wouldv'e got the real Klaw,you know the one with red spandex and no nose.The show is only 22 minutes and has to be rushed at some point,this is not a movie.I wonder if next weeks 2 parter is it for awhile?Haven't seen any new episodes mentioned at wikipedia.I think everyone will be satisfied with next week's 2 parter.

[Venom Melendez]

Grim Reaper's motive is he is a sadistic psychopath who likes to hurt people, that's a common motive for really evil super villains, Bullseye never had a motive beyond that and people think he is a good villain. In the comics, Eric Williams would torture the family cat, future serial killers usually start by torturing animals. The reaper was likely born a psychopath.

Heck lots criminals in the real world have no motive beyond that, most serial killers are just psychopaths with sadistic tendencies. That's realistic motive for a psychopath, your average psychopath is not morally complex individual. Most psychopaths don't think what they are doing is for a greater good, they just don't care, they have no empathy and care only for themselves. Some people are not morally complex. Grim Reaper is far more realistic then your average goofy 80s cartoon villain.

That said, he does seems to be pretty level headed.. When Klaw became living sound, he knew it was time to go.

I also like that he stayed calm even when facing a monster made of sound.

[Gold Guy]

I knew Black Panther would join, but not this soon. I don't mind, but it felt kinda sudden.

In the comics, does Black Panther use those blades?

[Crash]

Huh. That's the second episode in a row where the villain turned into a glowing mass of epherial purple energy and then faded away....

The Panter is a jerk! Decietful, manipulative....At least Iron Man called on that at the end of the episode.

Love seeing Captain portrayed as a soldier! Sure he's a 'captain,' but army captains still take orders from majors, colonels, and generals. It makes sense that he would be used to being given a mission, but then gets to figure out on his own the best way to carry out said mission....Also, the projectionist statement was hilarious! I hope he he stays as a man-out-of-time for a good long time.

So, Thor's a no-show. Guess you have to expect that when part of your team is a god-prince...

And the Grim Reaper...Calm, sinister, collected, but still just a go-for for HYDRA. Probably the most badass Go-for ever...

[Venom Melendez]

Huh. That's the second episode in a row where the villain turned into a glowing mass of epherial purple energy and then faded away....

The Panter is a jerk! Decietful, manipulative....At least Iron Man called on that at the end of the episode.



Which makes Iron Man a hypocrite since he's a bigger jerk and he's just as manipulative.

But really, Black Panther wasn't being a jerk and he wasn't that decietful, he was pretty straight forward that he wanted to deal with Man-Ape himself.

Could he have been nicer? Maybe. But obviously he was focused on saving Wakanda.

[The Overlord]

That said, he does seems to be pretty leel headed.. When Klaw became living sound, he knew it was time to go.

I also like that he stayed calm even when facing a monster made of sound.

Lots of psychopaths are "level headed", psychotics are the ones that can't control themselves, psychopaths have control over their actions, they just have no conscience. You can be successful business man and be a psychopath. Eric Williams has shown clear psychopathic tenacities.

[Video Beagle]

This show is pretty much the best rendition of the Grim Reaper ever. According to the live blog, he was really just going to be a throw away guy, but was just too awesome not to use more.

Panther's energy blades came from the Priest written series. As did his secret manipulative nature (or at least the amped up version..this episode followed Panther's first appearance from Fantastic Four pretty much). Yost and co have said Priest Panther was a big influence. So he is manipulative, deceitful and awesome.

[JTMarsh]

Captain America was presented as a soldier, and he acts like one too. That was cool how he was second guessing Iron Man's command, but followed it anyway. I wonder if eventually the leadership will go to Captain America as the show progresses.

Probably not till we get closer to the end of the season. He needs a few eps to get over his "Man out of Time" issues.



No Thor though. I wonder what might be going on.

I'm just glad we didn't have to watch Thor get punked by Black Panther.



For better or worse, that "Cap is a soldier" moment seems to cement that Iron Man is the leader and Cap is the badass fighter. I suppose I can be okay with that if it doesn't change, although I hope that at least Steve Rogers won't stay stuck in the man-out-of-his-time phase forever. Even after he joins the Avengers he has that "what are you doing here, soldier" rumination before Nick Fury gives him his old motorcycle.....I'd love to see him grow, to get beyond this, to completely embrace his lot in life.

Of course he'll grow, but it's gonna take time. He can't get over it in just one ep.

[90'sCartoonMan]

I liked a lot of stuff that happened in this episode. I understand that the Avengers kind of have to take the place of the Fantastic Four with BP fighting them at first, but it worked.

Black Panther was pretty cool throughout the whole thing. Not sure if I buy his reason for wanting to join the Avengers, but whatever. Didn't think they should've made Klaw into another Wonder Man-type villain. They could've had him using sound constructs or something.


The tiny details just makes this series shine all the more, such as Hank and Cap's conversation onboard the quinjet.

That was a good bit. Cap's still unsure of his place in the world, hence why he's following Iron Man's lead, but he'll slowly come into his own, I'm sure. When he fought the Dora Milaje, it reminded me of Batman fighting Penguin's Kabuki Twins on The Batman.

[Azrayel]

It was a good episode. I was more intrested in Black Panther's problem rather than Iron Man, Wasp, and Ant Man's fight to Claw.

I also had no idea Black Panther's suit was so high tech, I thought it was just your standard costume and the only real abilities was a skilled fighter. So yeah, I found this costume he had to be really cool.

The Gamma episode looks really cool. I am really actually anxious to see how well Thor and Hulk work together, and Hawkeye will be there so I wanna know what he's going to bring to the table since he hasn't been seen/heard from since the first episode.

[Jordacar]

Okay, it's official. Vibranium does not make and will never make any sense. It's the Applied Phlebotinum (http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/AppliedPhlebotinum) of the Marvel U (I suppose there are several types ;) ). It's an indestructible mineral, an energy source, an unstable isotope, and a supervillain-creating machine, and that's just one episode. But I still love it, dammit :D

[W.C.Reaf]

Okay, it's official. Vibranium does not make and will never make any sense. It's the Applied Phlebotinum of the Marvel U (I suppose there are several types ;) ). It's an indestructible mineral, an energy source, an unstable isotope, and a supervillain-creating machine, and that's just one episode. But I still love it, dammit :D

Well in it's raw. unprocessed.state it's an unstable isotope that can create supervillains acidentally. However once it's processed it can be made into an indestructible mineral or an energy source.

[suss2it]

Finally watched this episode. I think it's pretty good. I'm definitely liking Black Panther right now, although the whole beating up the other Avengers to show off how badass you are is getting a tad redundant, seeing as though Cap already did that. I hope they can introduce future Avengers in a different manner. It's a shame Thor wasn't in this episode, they could have had him going against the Wakandians with his hammer only for them to use the vibranium to absorb the energy. I suppose it's a good thing they didn't do that though since Thor seems to keep getting taken out by things seemingly weaker than him.

[dmxx116]

The Black Panther seeks help from The Avengers to get back his kingdom and saves his people from Man Ape. But they have to go go through the Wakandan army, HYDRA, and Klaw to do it.

http://i.annihil.us/u/prod/marvel/i/mg/2/10/4d10eebec66cd.jpg

http://marvel.com/videos/watch/1680/the_avengers_emh_2010_season_1-_ep_11

[ShadowStar]

Another really good episode. I liked how Black Panther was depicted as being skilled in technology in addition to being a competent fighter; I think he'll fit in well on the team. I also liked that little bit with the Cube at the end - has Abomination been picking off anyone who's come near it in order to preserve the secrecy of the Leader's plans...?

Is everyone who crosses the Grim Reaper going to suffer considerably? Nick Fury aged rapidly as a result of their clash (which was down to Baron Strucker, but still), Simon Williams was transformed into Wonder Man, and now Klaw has been transformed into a sound monster. I wonder if Klaw is actually dead or whether he'll return.

You know what's embarrassing? T'Challa was actually having trouble against those two women when he himself had given Iron Man, Giant Man and Wasp a hard time in the opening battle. And what I don't understand is how the Black Panther was able to counter everything that was thrown at him by the Avengers in the opening fight but couldn't absorb/repel the vibranium when fighting Man-Ape. My only other complaint is how they cut away from the three Avengers' fight with the Wakandan empire, though I guess it was cut for time and I can understand that.

If Thor was in Asgard in this episode (Iron Man assumed he had "gone to fantasy land"), then we can assume that Loki hasn't made a move on it yet. Must be waiting for Enchantress and the other villains to defeat the Avengers first.

One question: why did Black Panther's suit start to change to red during the fight at the beginning? Was that an army of ants crawling up his suit or something?

[Wonderwall]

Is everyone who crosses the Grim Reaper going to suffer considerably? Nick Fury aged rapidly as a result of their clash (which was down to Baron Strucker, but still), Simon Williams was transformed into Wonder Man, and now Klaw has been transformed into a sound monster. I wonder if Klaw is actually dead or whether he'll return.

Zemo batted Grim Reaper around like a ragdoll and so far he hasn't aged rapidly or turned into a purple monster...well a literal purple monster:p


You know what's embarrassing? T'Challa was actually having trouble against those two women when he himself had given Iron Man, Giant Man and Wasp a hard time in the opening battle.

Wakandans are well trained warriors so I can see why those two might have give Panther some grief. As for giving the Avengers a hard time he kind of caught them by surprise so I guess you can say he had the element of surprise.


One question: why did Black Panther's suit start to change to red during the fight at the beginning? Was that an army of ants crawling up his suit or something?

I think that was some kind of vibranium trick. It's got a lot of applications apparently.

[Manhunter]

One question: why did Black Panther's suit start to change to red during the fight at the beginning? Was that an army of ants crawling up his suit or something?

Yeah, that was Hank having ants crawl up Panther's body.

[Venom Melendez]

I wonder if Klaw is actually dead or whether he'll return.

He's not dead, they just sealed his sonic emiter inside vibranium. He'll probably get free eventually.



You know what's embarrassing? T'Challa was actually having trouble against those two women when he himself had given Iron Man, Giant Man and Wasp a hard time in the opening battle.

Well yeah. They are the Dora Milaje after all. Some of Wakanda's best fighters.