where did mr. freeze's body come from?

[DerekPowers]

In "Meltdown" where did freeze's body come from? I'm guessing it was synthetic, but then was he like a robot after they transfered his neuro-paterns? Or was it like a frankenstien thing?? where'd it come from?

[Clayface]

Originally posted by DerekPowers
In "Meltdown" where did freeze's body come from? I'm guessing it was synthetic, but then was he like a robot after they transfered his neuro-paterns? Or was it like a frankenstien thing?? where'd it come from?

It was a clone, made from his own DNA.

[Nightwing]

Dude, don't tell him! He's just trying to rebuild his own body! Arg. Too late.

Still, it was cool how it wasn't until Meltdown that we see our old pal Freeze has a very similar DNA problem as Derek Powers, the CEO ya love ta hate.

But I wonder what point in time it was and what happened that made Freeze go from raging bitter vengence machine to the apathetic feelings that we saw him in during the beginning of Meltdown.

[Maxie Zeus]

Originally posted by Nightwing
But I wonder what point in time it was and what happened that made Freeze go from raging bitter vengence machine to the apathetic feelings that we saw him in during the beginning of Meltdown.

Well, he was stuck on a shelf in someone's closet. Sounds like fodder for intense anger, until you realize just how grindingly dreary and hopeless such an existence would be. At some point, I bet he just decided that even the anger wasn't worth it anymore and settled into complete and utter despair--which is the tone I heard in his voice, rather than mere apathy.

The more interesting question is: Once he was that trapped and immobile, what kept his brain from turning into tapioca?

[optimal321]

Originally posted by Maxie Zeus

The more interesting question is: Once he was that trapped and immobile, what kept his brain from turning into tapioca?

Well, we don't know how long he was trapped like that. Or what freedoms he actually had. He may have had a TV or something. Though i'm not sure how he woulda changed the channels:)

[Maxie Zeus]

Originally posted by optimal321


Well, we don't know how long he was trapped like that.

I guess I just assumed he had been that way since the last time Batman brought him in. Since that would have Wayne's doing, it would have been at 20 years, right?

Then, too, Terry didn't seem to know much about Freeze, which also suggests Freeze had been on ice (bad pun, I know) for several years, at least.

I dunno, though. Anyone else think Freeze's capture might have occurred not long before the events in "Meltdown"?

[DR. BELCH]

Maxie Zeus :
Once he was that trapped and immobile, what kept his brain from turning into tapioca?
I imagine he did a lot of reading...either with someone to turn his pages for him or via some electronic software (e-book technology in 20 or 40 years, I imagine, would be totally hands-free, not even a mouse needed).
True, it looked like he'd pretty much given up after Nora married her doctor. It couldn't have made him happier to learn she'd passed away (it's implied in "Meltdown" she'd been dead awhile). If he had hands he might have slit his throat...if he had a throat...

[Maxie Zeus]

Originally posted by DR. BELCH

I imagine he did a lot of reading...either with someone to turn his pages for him or via some electronic software (e-book technology in 20 or 40 years, I imagine, would be totally hands-free, not even a mouse needed)

I dunno. I'm a voracious reader, and love old movies, and (obviously) surf the net a lot. But I still think I'd go mad pretty quickly if I were bolted down, unable to turn my head (or move myself) and had only those 3 activities to keep me occupied.

Obviously, this isn't a complaint about the show or a plot point. But the more I contemplate it, the more hellish Freeze's disembodied existence seems to me. No wonder Ray Milland had himself grafted onto Rosie Grier's body. (See if anyone catches the ref. ;) )

[Frozen]

Y'know, one thing bothers me about 'Meltdown', and that's Bruce's attitude toward Freeze. Previously he always seemed to have an element of sympathy for Victor, even if he didn't condone his actions. But in BB he just seems very aggressive toward him - he mistrusts him from the start. I would have thought he would have kept an eye on Victor (more for Victor's own sake than anything else) and fervently hoped that Victor could maybe, at last, regain some semblance of a normal life...

Or am I missing the point?

[Maxie Zeus]

Originally posted by Frozen
Y'know, one thing bothers me about 'Meltdown', and that's Bruce's attitude toward Freeze. Previously he always seemed to have an element of sympathy for Victor, even if he didn't condone his actions. But in BB he just seems very aggressive toward him - he mistrusts him from the start.

Well, Freeze was pretty out of control in "Cold Comfort," and that may have destroyed a lot of Bruce's sympathy. Plus there's several decades between that story and "Meltdown" during which Freeze could have indulged in all manner of mischief.

[Frozen]

Good point, well made. In all the years between 'Cold Comfort' and 'Meltdown', anything could have happened... That does rather get the imagination going, doesn't it..?

[DerekPowers]

well bruce became alot more bitter in bb. plus he knew powers was involved with the whole thing, so ofcourse he would have a bad attitude toward freeze. but in the end he did admit he was partially wrong about him, so that was cool. and it was cool how terry sympathized for freeze, the way bruce did in the old days.

but if his body was cloned, then they must have some really good technology in the future, cause today you cant make a clone of a what, 40-50 year old man, he'd start out as a baby (actually an embrio) and have to grow and age from there. thats why i was confused about the whole cloning thing, like where did all the organs and everything come from? oh well, its the future and its a cartoon, so anything is possible. peace.

[Nightwing]

Yet another ROTJ-Joker, Ra-s Al Ghul-Talia, type discussion to add to the list of confusing, thought provoking debates. Hehehe. But yeah I agree. The time gap is roughly the explaination we could be looking for. A lot could happen in 40-50 years.

And like Froze, I too thought Bruce was out of himself in Meltdown, but I only thought that way at first, because I knew BB time made him extremely bitter, untrusting, and cold toward all his villains, not to mention people in general almost.