The Avengers: Earth's Mightiest Heroes "Living Legend" Talkback (Spoilers) [Archive]

James Harvey

11-03-2010, 05:00 PM

Discuss the all-new episode of The Avengers: Earth's Mightiest Heroes debuting tonight at 8:30pm (ET) on Disney XD!

http://marvel.toonzone.net/avengersemh/talkback.jpg (http://marvel.toonzone.net/avengersemh/)The Avengers: Earth's Mightiest Heroes "Living Legend"
Episode Premiere Date: November 3rd, 2010
Frozen since WW2 and kept alive by the super soldier serum, Captain America is now a man out of time trying to discover his place in the world. But he may not have much of a chance, as his old foe Baron Zemo aims to destroy Captain America, even if that means going through the Avengers!

Comments?

Note: Please keep discussion on-topic, please. Thank you.

macattack

11-03-2010, 08:34 PM

They edited the final shot of the intro to remove the Hulk (as he's not part of the team anymore). Nice touch, Film Roman.

dcmarvelfanguy

11-03-2010, 09:08 PM

Great episode!!!! It's good to see Cap on the team. :D

Monte

11-03-2010, 09:16 PM

All in all a pretty great episode... Capt having a freak out when he woke up was predictable, but still played out as well as could be. Though the final fight against the blob monsters just seemed a tad convenient in how they ended it... Though i am kind of surprised SHIELD didn't attempt to show up to recruit him themselves...

Also trying to figure out what Black panther is up to exactly... i mean in the short run i would suspect he would be looking for help with his home. Though is he meant to be a permanent member or not, cause I would imagine he would want to stay and take care of wakanada once it's over and done with... granted it could take awhile but i don't think he would want to run around fighting super villains; he should have an understandable sense of urgency...

And at the end we got the enchantress meeting with Zemo... Kinda makes me want to give a point to Loki being the mastermind behind the breakout. A bunch of villains break out right around the same time odin goes to sleep and Loki is banaished and Enchantress seems to be recruiting people... Coincidence or master plan? granted For some reason i have trouble picturing Loki as being the big bad... I guess part of it might be since he's more exclusively a thor Villain when the big bad should be more of a all around villain

also... "sock face" :D

They edited the final shot of the intro to remove the Hulk (as he's not part of the team anymore). Nice touch, Film Roman.

Ya someone mentioned before that the line up changed between the first 5 episodes(the micro episodes) and the current episodes... we can expect Capt to be in the line up next time

US_Agent74

11-03-2010, 09:18 PM

I went nuts for the "Monte Cassino Abbey", salute from WWII as Zemo's base

capfan1

11-03-2010, 09:24 PM

What an awesome show!:)Cap is awesome and they show he can take on the whole Avengers team on his own.I really enjoyed this episode.Great to see the Black Panther helping Cap.Can't wait to see what the Enchantress and Executioner are planning.

Venom Melendez

11-03-2010, 09:54 PM

Also trying to figure out what Black panther is up to exactly... i mean in the short run i would suspect he would be looking for help with his home. Though is he meant to be a permanent member or not, cause I would imagine he would want to stay and take care of wakanada once it's over and done with... granted it could take awhile but i don't think he would want to run around fighting super villains; he should have an understandable sense of urgency...

judging by some of the trailers, he'll probably stick around or he'll be a part timer.

And at the end we got the enchantress meeting with Zemo... Kinda makes me want to give a point to Loki being the mastermind behind the breakout. A bunch of villains break out right around the same time odin goes to sleep and Loki is banaished and Enchantress seems to be recruiting people... Coincidence or master plan? granted For some reason i have trouble picturing Loki as being the big bad... I guess part of it might be since he's more exclusively a thor Villain when the big bad should be more of a all around villain

Except Loki is also a Avengers villain. In the comics he was partially responsible for them forming in the first place.

Loki isn't really exclusive.

Anywho, it was great to see Zemo and Zola.I love how badass Zemo was Hopefully we'll see Red Skull again soon.

Munkiman

11-03-2010, 10:50 PM

My DVR missed the very end - I saw Enchantress and the axe dude, but I missed what she said. What was it, and did anything happen after that? Should watched it live but I had homework to do...

I thought this episode was a little too fast-paced. Parts of it felt like they needed more breathing room. I'm not sure what I would've changed, but Steve in particular seemed to skip from thinks-he's-still-in-the-war to depressed-man-out-of-time to accepting-his-role-in-the-present a little too fast. Even though we just had a two-parter, I feel like Living Legend could have benefited from the extra half-hour. Do it like Breakout - first half would be set-up, finding Cap and watching how he reacts while the villains prepare their attack, then in the second half Zemo and Zola's creatures come in.

But I suppose as is it gets the job done, and has plenty of good moments. Cap's fighting style is really cool and I love how the shield ricochets around and leaves behind a blur, that looks awesome. The villains really stood out, and their parts almost never suffered from the pacing problems. We got a significant chunk of Cap's rogues gallery in this episode - Red Skull namedrop, Baron Zemo, Arnim Zola, HYDRA - and it was awesome. Arnim was not what I was expecting (I'm not usually a Marvel fan so I was expecting more of a traditional mad scientist, not... THAT), and he was fantastic. "Every problem has a solution..." His whole lair was great, too, such an awesome little base of operations from which to plot Captain America's destruction. And Zemo is great. I get sort of an evil Batman vibe from him, though there's also the obvious evil Cap in terms of his enhanced strength. I have to say I was surprised that this was the original Zemo, I was expecting it to be his descendant. Anyway, he was very menacing, with a ruthless air about him. Like the part where he chucks a bomb at Wasp to make his escape... this guy doesn't play around!

Interesting to note is the sense of parallel leadership changes. Zemo could take HYDRA back from Strucker any time he wants, and Captain America provides strong competition for leadership with Iron Man. I'm expecting it won't happen for a little bit - Cap is Tony's personal hero, and Cap likely won't take charge for a while as he gets used to the future - but it's inevitable and I can't wait.

I'm looking forward to more Black Panther and more Hulk! Since he was totally absent from the episode for the first time in the series, I'm guessing we won't see him again until Gamma World, but you never know.

Bat-Fan Beyond

11-03-2010, 11:16 PM

Great episode! I liked what they did here with both Cap and Black Panther.

redlion

11-03-2010, 11:56 PM

WOW!!! Another stellar episode. Capt. America!! The guy just leaks confidence and leadership. Definately love the sheild slingin'. Wasp is the breakout star of this series. The villians. Does this show have the most awesome bad guys or what? Arnim Zola and Zemo, loved every second they were onscreen. The scene when Zemo enters HYDRA and punks out the Grim Reaper. Loved it!! I'm actually beginning to get used to Tony's voice now. It isn't as annoying as it was at first. This show is good!!

Loved the ending with Enchantress and the Executioner standing over a defeated Zola. I can definately see Loki as the big bad here. After all, he is the god of mischief.

macattack

11-04-2010, 12:04 AM

I personally found Zemo's entrance kinda nerfed when the animation went to crap during it. I wonder why the animation got so jerky, the animation has been consistently decent-to-good up until then.

Marvin Tikvah

11-04-2010, 12:08 AM

I was in and out of this one. It made me feel the same as the 2 part opener, so I guess this show just can't handle introduction episodes too well. Which sucks since Captain America is a big reason I'm watching in the first place.

I do agree that Steve's stages of sadness passed too fast, but then again the danger presenting itself is a good enough reason for him to snap out of it. Panther saving him was a pretty cool moment as well.

Wasp seemed more youthful than usual in this episode.

Rick Jones

11-04-2010, 01:13 AM

I can only imagine how mad those crazy Thor fans will be after this one. Hopefully he'll get his chance to shine soon but this wasn't going to be it.

It's so great to finally get an animated series that features Cap not just as a cameo. He was pure awesomeness here and I'm glad that he's not totally weighed down with angst. No complaints here from me at all.

dmxx116

11-04-2010, 01:19 AM

So far The Avengers keep getting better and better each week, And to see one of my favorite Captain America who was so badass tonight when he took Iron Man, Thor and Ant-Man.

Venom Melendez

11-04-2010, 06:36 AM

I was expecting Zola to be working with Red Skull, since he's usually loyal to him. Then again, he has worked for both Zemo's before.

Silverstar

11-04-2010, 08:45 AM

My DVR missed the very end - I saw Enchantress and the axe dude, but I missed what she said. What was it, and did anything happen after that? Should watched it live but I had homework to do...

You didn't miss much: Enchantress just addressed Zemo by name and said that she had a proposition for him, it just faded out after that, leaving us on a The End..?

BTW, the fella with the axe is Scourge the Executioner.

Video Beagle

11-04-2010, 01:28 PM

Was there anything not awesome in this episode?
* Panther being awesome, spying on the Avengers, ala how Priest wrote him.
* Cap being awesome. I loved how when ever the shield would fly, it'd bounce back so that he'd end with his arm in the straps.
* Zemo was awesome...It's Zemo Sr. who I've never read, but he had the awesome confidence and ability that Nicieza's Zemo showed.
* Wasp just being awesome thinking she's flying the QuinJet.
* Pym being awesome, showing that indeed, he's the smartest guy in the room. I'm loving that they're making a clear line between Tony's engineering and Pym's science. Be nice if the comics got back to that.

Even Doughboy showed up...that's just cool.

To quote Batmite...AWESOMESAUCE!

redlion

11-04-2010, 01:52 PM

One of the things that came to mind was the Zemo/Baron Strucker rivalry for HYDRA. I know Zemo left to go find Zola but I don't think that's the end of it. Wonder how things are going to work out once Red Skull is introduced into the mix.

Crash

11-04-2010, 02:44 PM

"It's actually on autopilot."
"The building has its own voice."
"We're all right here."
"...Sometimes it got wierd."

So....Every single hero on the team is a smartass? ....I like this show's style! Can't wait to see what Hawkeye will add when he returns to the show...

So, Cap's wake-up freak-out...It wasn't done quite as well as it was on Ultimate Avengers. The panic wasn't so authentic, there was no sense of wonder/relief when it was over.... Still. It was cool seeing Cap casually throw Thor over his shoulder like that in the Quinjet. Clearly, this is a guy who knows how to fight. More than just throwing a leaping punch. Props to the animation team for that little sequence...

Speaking of cool sequences; Wasp vs the Doubhboy in the hallway! That was impressive! Its odd, sometimes the show looks stiff and awkward, and then they produce a fluid sequence like that....

They spent an innordinant amount of time assuring Cap that Bucky was dead. ..That's got to mean that the Winter Soldier is coming, right? If they're adapting recent developments like the Big House and the negative zone prison, they've got to include the Winter Soldier....

On a last note, I got a good laugh from the civilians on the ferry at Ellis Island. Because among those civilians were a red-headed woman in black t-shirt, accompanies by a blond-haired guy in a red shirt with striped sleaves....Appearing on a Disney network...It was Kim Possible and Ron Stopable! :anime:

Wag

11-04-2010, 04:09 PM

Liked the episode overall but:

1. The Statue of Liberty is on Liberty Island, not Ellis Island. Anyone with basic geography skills should know this.
2. I still can't get past the idea of Captain America (and WWII) existing without Nazis. As a an American Jew I find it doubly insulting.

M.O.D.O.K.

11-04-2010, 04:13 PM

Continuing right from the last episode, the Avengers are tracking down the Hulk, who was last seen in the Arctic Sea. Instead, they find the frozen Captain America. They unfreeze him and deal with his freakout after the incident. Meanwhile, Baron Zemo returns to claim leadership of HYDRA again, but after he hears of Captain America living again, he simply recruits Arnim Zola and Doughboy to distract the Avengers, while he targets the captain. Steve is depressed with the death of Bucky and the changed world around him, while the Avengers fight the clones of Doughboy. Meanwhile, the actual Doughboy and Zemo infiltrate the Avengers Mansion to attack Rogers and Wasp, but they are stopped by the Black Panther, who has sneaked into the mansion. The heroes defeat the creatures, Zemo escapes, and Captain America joins the Avengers. All seems well...until Zemo gets a deal from Enchantress. Dun dun dunnn.....

Another great episode, but I kind of enjoyed it a little less than the previous ones. Probably due to the rushed pace of this episode. Though I could understand why, since it was necessary to introduced Cap as soon as possible. I like how Wasp seems to be the glue of the group, trying to keep everyone together. Also found the Thor/Ant-Man banter to be neat.

4.5/5

NEXT WEEK:When Tony Stark earns the wrath of millionaire Simon Williams, he is given powers by MODOK and AIM, and becomes Wonder Man. Vengeful, he goes after Stark, and only the Avengers can stop his wrath.

Video Beagle

11-04-2010, 05:02 PM

macattack

11-04-2010, 05:26 PM

I don't understand why DXD insists that Ant-Man is the "heart" of the team when it's so obvious that the heart is Wasp.

Monte

11-04-2010, 05:30 PM

Y'know thinking about it, You'd think that Ironman and the rest of the team would have been smart enough to take off their masks when addressing Cap when he woke up... seeing a bunch of people in costume when you wake up might be rather alarming

1. The Statue of Liberty is on Liberty Island, not Ellis Island. Anyone with basic geography skills should know this.
Actually i think it's a pretty common misconception. Coming from New york, i know a lot of people who make that mistake as first. Though it is still a research fail

HEATXZ

11-04-2010, 05:56 PM

Amazing Episode :anime:
It had great action and also humor :anime:
Great to see Armin Zola and Baron Zemo in this episode

bleachj0j

11-04-2010, 06:01 PM

Good episode. I laugh at a parts as well. When Iron said "Avengers Assemble" and ANt-man responded " Were all right here" and Iron Man just looked at him.

90'sCartoonMan

11-04-2010, 06:50 PM

Great episode. I love Captain America, and considering his history in animation, I think this is his real chance to shine. Of course they had to do the "badass normal takes down an entire team of super powered folks" thing, but it's not like they were trying that hard to hurt Cap.

I liked his intro to the team, subtle moments like his room being 1940's themed, Tony giving him the picture with his father, etc. I'm hoping this show has more moments like that, they're definitely shooting for more 3 dimensional characters.

Panther's appearance was great, very mysterious, but I think Zemo's may've even been better. He almost killed Cap, and he's got pretty good aim to be able to hit the Wasp from that distance considering her size.

granted For some reason i have trouble picturing Loki as being the big bad... I guess part of it might be since he's more exclusively a thor Villain when the big bad should be more of a all around villain

The only Avengers only villains (and not ones originally from other comics) so far are Kang, who is understandable they don't want to do right away, and Ultron, who also needs time until he can make his appearance. Loki all the way!

I can only imagine how mad those crazy Thor fans will be after this one. Hopefully he'll get his chance to shine soon but this wasn't going to be it.

Consider me a crazy Thor fan, but I get it, Thor is the Superman of this show, they have to show a big threat by showing even him having trouble. Lightning made the dough stronger, fine, Cap threw him around a couple times, okay, it's not like Thor got seriously hurt. Also, that hammer down thing totally would've knocked Cap out if he didn't do the legsweep. We've seen Thor's power, I'm also hoping to see his ability to be battle savvy.

Y'know thinking about it, You'd think that Ironman and the rest of the team would have been smart enough to take off their masks when addressing Cap when he woke up... seeing a bunch of people in costume when you wake up might be rather alarming

That's true, but it probably didn't occur to any of them right away, and for Thor and Wasp it doesn't make much of a difference if they take off their headgear. Tony did retract his helmet at the very end, though.

Bat-Fan Beyond

11-04-2010, 07:24 PM

One question: Should Zemo have been able to cut through Cap's costume so easily with his sword? I thought it was supposed to be scale mail armor?

Monte

11-04-2010, 08:14 PM

Except Loki is also a Avengers villain. In the comics he was partially responsible for them forming in the first place.

Loki isn't really exclusive.

The problem is how he's presented in the show... I mean his only concerns seem to be Odin, Thor, and Asgard. It doesn't seem like he even cares about what happens on midgard. It's like the only plans I can see him creating would be all about either getting rid of Thor, or conquering Asgard. Like the biggest plan I could see is him using super villains to destroy Thor for him; unless maybe if mortals can go to Asgard he can use them against Odin to conquer Asgard. As it is in the show, it just feels like Loki is Thor's fight, not the avengers' fight

I would expect the big bad to be someone who is more concerned with world domination (conquering midgard) since that's what would be the concern of the avengers... Like Hydra or Kang

granted, i would have to keep in mind that the writers would hope for multiple seasons... And multiple season could mean a different big bad every season. Loki could be this season's big bad. Kang may make a few appearance but the real confrontation might be the main focus of season 2... and Ultron will fit in there somewhere; might pop up in season 1 and 2, but he might be the main villain for season 3...

Kinda like how the Sentinels (and to an extent magneto and Pheonix) were the main plot of WatXM, but in season 2 things were gonna switch to apocalypse

One question: Should Zemo have been able to cut through Cap's costume so easily with his sword? I thought it was supposed to be scale mail armor?
Well I think Zemo does have some super strength behind that sword... and it may not necessarily be an ordinary sword

Spider-Sense

11-04-2010, 08:21 PM

You didn't miss much: Enchantress just addressed Zemo by name and said that she had a proposition for him, it just faded out after that, leaving us on a The End..?

BTW, the fella with the axe is Scourge the Executioner.

Actually,it's ''Skurge"",mate.:)

NightwingAngelo

11-04-2010, 08:41 PM

Great episode!

It's pretty cool how Wasp is becoming a fan favourite. Hilarious how she thought she was flying the jet in the beginning. This show is awesomeness covered in awesomesauce!!! :D

Captain America was great as well. And yeah, they NAILED it!!! Loved the shield throwing. That was ace! Baron Zemo rocked too! It looked like he'll be a formidable foe in this show.

Tony: AVENGERS ASSEMBLE!!!
Hank: We're all here.

So far so good for The Avengers: Earth's Mightiest Heroes!

As for the Thor fans: His time will come. We're only 9 episodes in to an already made 52. Give it some time. Loki is serving up something BIG. Christopher Yost worked on some of the best episodes of the "TMNT 2003" series and almost half of the episodes of Wolverine and the X-Men.

This guy knows how to nail it, and he will again. I'm going to stop short of saying he'll do for Marvel what Bruce Timm has done for DC, but the potential is there for him to make an impact on Marvel Animation like no one has since... ever!

JTMarsh

11-04-2010, 10:42 PM

I was under the impression that Yost's contributions to W&TXM were fairly minor beyond just giving Greg Johnson background info on the characters & offering his advice on what would & would not go over well with fans.

Good episode, even if they did exaggerate Cap's strength. I doubt that they're done with Cap's man-out-of-time issues, I'm guessing it'll be a recurring theme in episodes to come. Little things here & there that can catch him off guard, then leading to something... bigger.

Brian Bloom's voice as Cap sounds softer than it did in the micro-eps (where it was deeper and rougher and had a slight John Wayne (http://www.toonzone.net/forums/#) like drawl to it), but that's okay.

Nice to see Hank save the day too. And Wasp continues to be fun incarnate.

Too bad Thor got nerfed.

You have to wonder though, just how old was Howard Stark during World War 2? And how old was he when Tony was born?

Dudley

11-04-2010, 10:56 PM

Saw it. Thought it was awesome. Especially how well animated Wasp's battle was with Doughboy. Anyone notice she gets the most cartoony expressions of all the characters so far.
Like how the opening changes with the who's on the team at the moment. That's a good thing to do.
The only thing I don't like was how that crowed appeared at Liberty Island after the Doughboys were destroyed. It almost felt like they came out of nowhere.

Azeke

11-05-2010, 12:26 AM

The moment when Cap attacked that guy with a camera thinking he's japanese spy was quite funny.

They didn't explain it on loud though, but it's there.

90'sCartoonMan

11-05-2010, 12:28 AM

Well I think Zemo does have some super strength behind that sword... and it may not necessarily be an ordinary sword

Yeah, that dude has genetic enhancements up the wazoo. Makes for a good match for a super soldier.

Saw it. Thought it was awesome. Especially how well animated Wasp's battle was with Doughboy. Anyone notice she gets the most cartoony expressions of all the characters so far.

Yeah, it's almost Teen Titansy. Actually, I think it works for her.

redlion

11-05-2010, 12:30 AM

I liked his intro to the team, subtle moments like his room being 1940's themed, Tony giving him the picture with his father, etc. I'm hoping this show has more moments like that, they're definitely shooting for more 3 dimensional characters.

Yeah, Iiked that little touch as well. The retro 40's style radio/intercom and the USA pin-up girl poster in the background.

Wag

11-05-2010, 01:02 AM

Actually i think it's a pretty common misconception. Coming from New york, i know a lot of people who make that mistake as first. Though it is still a research failConsidering Marvel Comics is pretty much based out of NYC I found it an odd mistake to make, but as an American it's a basic geography fact that you should just know, especially considering Ellis Island and The Statue of Liberty are two of our most important landmarks. It's very important for basic geography facts to be correct in cartoons, because, sad to say, kids pick up on these things.

And that's exactly why it bothers me with all the revisionist history surrounding WWII and the Nazis. Over 400,000 Americans died fighting in WWII and to just eliminate the Nazi factor from WWII is disrespectful to say the least. And as I posted in the micro-episode thread, Jews who lived through the period of the Holocaust were responsible in creating Cap, artists like Stan Lee, Jack Kirby and Joe Simon. It was their way of fighting back directly against the Nazi, and I find removing that removes a serious element of Cap's backstory and the motivation for him existing at all.

It's important for kids to know the truth of things and not gloss over history, or change it.

Those who ignore history are doomed to repeat it.

Video Beagle

11-05-2010, 12:29 PM

I was under the impression that Yost's contributions to W&TXM were fairly minor beyond just giving Greg Johnson background info on the characters & offering his advice on what would & would not go over well with fans.

I thought he was Story Editor. Him, Johnson, and Kyle are sort of a gestalt being anyhow swapping out pieces depending on the project. Like Car Voltron.

You have to wonder though, just how old was Howard Stark during World War 2? And how old was he when Tony was born?

This is one of those weird issues coming out of the movieverse. I think you're not supposed to think about it too much...or everyone got some Infinity Formula.

Crash

11-05-2010, 02:52 PM

The moment when Cap attacked that guy with a camera thinking he's japanese spy was quite funny.

They didn't explain it on loud though, but it's there.

Actually, I think Cap threw the sheild at Iron Man, who moved out of the way and let the shield bounce off the cruise ship....But either way, it did strike me as a little odd that Cap would seem to endanger civilians like that....

Gold Guy

11-05-2010, 03:42 PM

This episode was interetsing. If Baron Zemo joins Executioner and Enchantress, that will mean big trouble for the Avengers. I just wonder why Black Panther didn't join. He had the opportunity.

Azrayel

11-05-2010, 04:19 PM

This episode was pretty good, I liked how Captain America would not listen to Ant Man, Thor, and Iron Man but it would actually listen to Wasp. Made me laugh. I am not familiar who Zemo is, but I thought his character was intresting and seemed cooler than the flashback of the WWII war.

I wonder what Black Panther was doing that he had to hide and sneak in to the Avenger's mansion.

I never really knew how strong Captain America's shield was, because I thought Thor's hammer would have had more power to it. So I've been wondering, whats Captain America's shield made out of?

Bat-Fan Beyond

11-05-2010, 04:32 PM

I never really knew how strong Captain America's shield was, because I thought Thor's hammer would have had more power to it. So I've been wondering, whats Captain America's shield made out of?

Adamantium and Vibranium. I think.

AlgeaX

11-05-2010, 05:25 PM

Adamantium and Vibranium. I think.

Actually it's made out of an unknown vibranium based alloy, Adamantium was later created as an attempt to replicate the metal in Cap's shield (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Captain_America's_shield#Circular_shield). At least, that's the comic version. We don't know if that holds through for this continuity.

suss2it

11-05-2010, 05:46 PM

On a last note, I got a good laugh from the civilians on the ferry at Ellis Island. Because among those civilians were a red-headed woman in black t-shirt, accompanies by a blond-haired guy in a red shirt with striped sleaves....Appearing on a Disney network...It was Kim Possible and Ron Stopable! :anime:Some visual aid:

http://i299.photobucket.com/albums/mm302/suss2it/th_vlcsnap-2010-11-05-17h30m57s139.png (http://s299.photobucket.com/albums/mm302/suss2it/?action=view&current=vlcsnap-2010-11-05-17h30m57s139.png)

As for the Thor fans: His time will come. We're only 9 episodes in to an already made 52. Give it some time. Loki is serving up something BIG. Christopher Yost worked on some of the best episodes of the "TMNT 2003" series and almost half of the episodes of Wolverine and the X-Men.Will it though? Because Yost wrote Hulk Vs. Thor where he got ass kicked and Next Avengers where he abandoned Midguard and let Ultron takeover. Also do you have a link that says they made 52 episodes already? I was under the impression that they were commissioned to make two seasons, each of 26 not that the first season would be 52 and that they're all done.

This guy knows how to nail it, and he will again. I'm going to stop short of saying he'll do for Marvel what Bruce Timm has done for DC, but the potential is there for him to make an impact on Marvel Animation like no one has since... ever!I agree, just look at how much Marvel mythology we've seen, both old and new so far, and we're only 9 episodes in.

I was under the impression that Yost's contributions to W&TXM were fairly minor beyond just giving Greg Johnson background info on the characters & offering his advice on what would & would not go over well with fans.
According to Christopher Yost (http://www.imdb.com/name/nm1236653/filmoseries#tt0772145)'s IMDB page he did write a few of the episodes as well as the story for some.

This episode was interetsing. If Baron Zemo joins Executioner and Enchantress, that will mean big trouble for the Avengers. I just wonder why Black Panther didn't join. He had the opportunity.
At this point he probably has no desire to join the Avengers, but wants the information they might have on Klaw (the guy who helped overthrow Wakanda).

NightwingAngelo

11-05-2010, 07:44 PM

Will it though? Because Yost wrote Hulk Vs. Thor where he got ass kicked and Next Avengers where he abandoned Midguard and let Ultron takeover. Also do you have a link that says they made 52 episodes already? I was under the impression that they were commissioned to make two seasons, each of 26 not that the first season would be 52 and that they're all done.

I was actually thinking over what I said earlier after remembering what we got in "Hulk Vs.", and... I still think Yost is going to nail it.

Who knows the mindset he may have been in. After all, it was focussed on the Hulk, so he may have slanted it in his direction... Thor got nerf'd though, not doubt about it. We'll have to hear his views there, but from what I've seen from fights like the one Thor had with the Frost Giants, things should be alright.

Besides... not sure if you've seen Justice League or not, but I remember all the complaints about The Flash and how he never seemed to reach his full potential when it came to his speed. Little did we know that he was going to get one of the most EPIC moments in recent animated history. I'm going to be patient and see, but I'm pretty sure we'll get an epic Thor moment at some point in time with this show.

As for the 52 episodes: Yost has confirmed in a few interviews that the 2nd season is already complete, and a few familiar names have been dropped. Someone already spoiled the surprise for me, but I don't want to spoil it for anyone else. (actually, there was a bit of an info leak last week, and I know that there are a few people on this very message board who know what I'm talking about since I've seen their names floating around cyberspace here and there).

Disney has given Yost a lot of room to maneuver with this show and, as you've already mentioned, he's showing that he knows how to use it.

GREAT start to the series!

Apache Chief

11-06-2010, 10:01 AM

It was great seeing Cap in action - well done there. I hope they keep dealing with the 'man-out-of-his-time' thing.

The dough monsters were a little silly for me - and they went to the well of 'Look! Our heroes are covered in goop! How humorous!' too often.

I didn't read many Avengers comics, so I can't keep these villains straight. I don't know my Struckers from my Zemos from my Zolas, but I do love that Hydra has a secret island base. That's classic villainy right there.

suss2it

11-06-2010, 03:36 PM

Who knows the mindset he may have been in. After all, it was focussed on the Hulk, so he may have slanted it in his direction... Thor got nerf'd though, not doubt about it. We'll have to hear his views there, but from what I've seen from fights like the one Thor had with the Frost Giants, things should be alright.Yeah the fight with the Frost Giants was pretty good, I'm not as confident as you that Thor won't get the short end of the stick, but I do like Yost's work so I'm hoping he'll make it work.

Besides... not sure if you've seen Justice League or not, but I remember all the complaints about The Flash and how he never seemed to reach his full potential when it came to his speed. Little did we know that he was going to get one of the most EPIC moments in recent animated history. I'm going to be patient and see, but I'm pretty sure we'll get an epic Thor moment at some point in time with this show.Yeah, that's true. Plus we got "The Great Brain Robbery" where Lex as Flash was able to go up against Green Lantern, Red Tornado, Dr. Fate & Mr. Terrific.

As for the 52 episodes: Yost has confirmed in a few interviews that the 2nd season is already complete, and a few familiar names have been dropped. Someone already spoiled the surprise for me, but I don't want to spoil it for anyone else. (actually, there was a bit of an info leak last week, and I know that there are a few people on this very message board who know what I'm talking about since I've seen their names floating around cyberspace here and there).Thanks for not spoiling, but can you quote what he said regarding the completion of the second season? Cause if it's really done then hopefully Yost can get back to working on Iron Man: Armored Adventures and we can finally get the 2nd season.

Disney has given Yost a lot of room to maneuver with this show and, as you've already mentioned, he's showing that he knows how to use it.

GREAT start to the series!Definitely agree, and so far I really like the direction the show is going in.

US_Agent74

11-07-2010, 12:36 AM

AlgeaX

11-07-2010, 09:10 AM

Question so does Baron Strucker use magic like Doom does with his gauntlet Claw of satan or is it energy blasts? I can only see stuff on how evil Strucker is not what he does with that satan claw thing

According to Baron Strucker's profile (http://disney.go.com/xd/avengers/cds/mostWanted/index.html) on the series' official site, this version of the Satan Claw is an actual occult artifact that lets wolfgang drain the life force of his victims to preserve his own youth.

Anwar

11-07-2010, 03:37 PM

Did they explain how Zemo Sr is still alive after all this time? The dialog with Zola implied that the Virus and the virus treatment together were somehow keeping him alive and in good shape.

AlgeaX

11-08-2010, 10:49 AM

Did they explain how Zemo Sr is still alive after all this time? The dialog with Zola implied that the Virus and the virus treatment together were somehow keeping him alive and in good shape.

NaziHYDRA science sneers at the natural ageing process! (http://www.irregularwebcomic.net/149.html)

But yeah, the episode suggests that Zemo's been genetically modifying himself up the wazoo.

RoyalRubble

11-08-2010, 11:50 AM

I'm really loving this show so far and this episode is no exception.

I liked all the fight scenes (and there were a lot), Captain America's battle with the Avengers and then going up against Zemo was great, as was the Avengers versus that mutant thing created by Arnim Zola. I wonder what deal Zemo will make with the Enchantress.

Also I'm not sure why the Black Panther didn't stay around to ask for help from the Avengers. Seeing how he checked all those files on their computer he now knows what their powers are... so maybe he's just looking for the strongest heroes to take back with him in Wakanda.

Wonderwall

11-08-2010, 12:48 PM

I really liked this one. I preferred it over the last episode. Cap is pretty cool in this show. I'm also liking a few of the character designs over the others. I think Zemo and Panther look especially cool. Liked that Wasp was the catylsyt to beat Dough Boy and her fight with him was neat, really fast paced.

Video Beagle

11-08-2010, 04:21 PM

Priest's Black Panther back story..which is still what they go with in the books, is that he essentially joins the Avengers to spy on them..to see if this new group of super humans pose a threat to Wakanda. They look to be keeping part of that. We'll see where it goes.

But yeah, the episode suggests that Zemo's been genetically modifying himself up the wazoo.

huh, I thought it was more radiation on the front side.

As for Thor..Yost is one of the producers of the movie...so I imagine he'll make sure the character is well represented in the toon.

Venom Melendez

11-09-2010, 11:42 AM

The problem is how he's presented in the show... I mean his only concerns seem to be Odin, Thor, and Asgard. It doesn't seem like he even cares about what happens on midgard. It's like the only plans I can see him creating would be all about either getting rid of Thor, or conquering Asgard. Like the biggest plan I could see is him using super villains to destroy Thor for him; unless maybe if mortals can go to Asgard he can use them against Odin to conquer Asgard. As it is in the show, it just feels like Loki is Thor's fight, not the avengers' fight

I would expect the big bad to be someone who is more concerned with world domination (conquering midgard) since that's what would be the concern of the avengers... Like Hydra or Kang

Except, Loki would want to cause havoc on earth, since Thor loves earth. Plus, someone as ambitious as Loki probably wants to rule both Asgard, earth and the other realms.

The dough monsters were a little silly for me .

Maybe, but Zola always has weird looking minions.

AlgeaX

11-09-2010, 05:32 PM

Except, Loki would want to cause havoc on earth, since Thor loves earth. Plus, someone as ambitious as Loki probably wants to rule both Asgard, earth and the other realms.

My guess is Loki wants to keep Thor tied up in Midgardian affairs so he can take advantage of the Odinsleep. That would also explain why he let himself be banished to the Isle of Silence, to make Thor believe there were no major threats left in Asgard.

Monte

11-09-2010, 06:02 PM

Except, Loki would want to cause havoc on earth, since Thor loves earth.
But the problem there is that its STILL all about Thor... he doesn't cause havoc on earth for his own ends, but just to spite Thor. it still makes him feel more like a Thor villain not a general avenger's villain.

This is why i kind of prefer those like Kang or Hydra (except Zemo) as being the big bad behind this breakout, since they are not driven by purely personal vendetta against a single member, or have ultimate goals unrelated to the rest of the avengers entirely

Plus, someone as ambitious as Loki probably wants to rule both Asgard, earth and the other realms.

That may be but this is not something we have seen, and would have less of a problem with Loki if we did...

redlion

11-09-2010, 07:48 PM

Yet it seems Loki is indeed willing to expand his vendetta against Thor to anyone including Thor's allies. I definately believe Amora is acting as Loki's agent on earth. I believe she was testing the Avengers in "Some Assembly Required" on Loki's behalf and she was/is possibly recruiting for Loki in "Living Legend".

After all, Zemo has no connection to Thor. His connection is with Cap yet at the end of the ep, we see Amora propositioning him. My guess would be to form the MOE, which would be a threat for Thor as well as the whole team. Now this would fulfill the Avengers' 1st mandate, combat the threats no single hero could stand against alone and Zemo himself seems to have aspirations for world domination.

It will be interesting to find out what is said between Amora and Zemo. It's possible, Loki may have promised Zemo something if he keeps Thor and friends occupied here while he does his thing on Asgard as someone else has suggested.

90'sCartoonMan

11-09-2010, 07:55 PM

Actually it's made out of an unknown vibranium based alloy, Adamantium was later created as an attempt to replicate the metal in Cap's shield (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Captain_America%27s_shield#Circular_shield). At least, that's the comic version. We don't know if that holds through for this continuity.

Well, Cap's shield did absorb the kinetic energy from Thor's hammer, so hopefully there's some vibranium in it.

Priest's Black Panther back story..which is still what they go with in the books, is that he essentially joins the Avengers to spy on them..to see if this new group of super humans pose a threat to Wakanda. They look to be keeping part of that. We'll see where it goes.

That'd be pretty neat. I'm wondering if they'll somehow include the Fantastic Four in his backstory as his first meeting with superhumans or just have it that he's come to the US specifically to learn about the Avengers.

Venom Melendez

11-09-2010, 08:53 PM

But the problem there is that its STILL all about Thor... he doesn't cause havoc on earth for his own ends, but just to spite Thor. it still makes him feel more like a Thor villain not a general avenger's villain.

This is why i kind of prefer those like Kang or Hydra (except Zemo) as being the big bad behind this breakout, since they are not driven by purely personal vendetta against a single member, or have ultimate goals unrelated to the rest of the avengers entirely

That may be but this is not something we have seen, and would have less of a problem with Loki if we did...

But again, he has been an Avengers villain and he's still a threat to both worlds even though he mainly does it out of spite.

Also, we have aready seen that he has manipulating things on earth in the "Isle of Silence" micro-sode. He also has The Enchantress making a deal with Zemo. Either way, whatever his plans are, it still affects everyone.

Besides, Kang has a beef with Cap because of some time paradox in the future he belives is cause by him and Strucker obviously has his own beef with Fury and Captain America.

My guess is Loki wants to keep Thor tied up in Midgardian affairs so he can take advantage of the Odinsleep. That would also explain why he let himself be banished to the Isle of Silence, to make Thor believe there were no major threats left in Asgard.

This is the likely case, since with all these villains running around, Thor would be too busy to stop him.

It would also fit with the Avengers origin in the comics. His actions being responsible for the Avengers coming together.

dmxx116

12-09-2010, 06:41 PM

While looking for The Incredible Hulk,the Avengers stumble across another hero,long thought be dead, Meanwhile Baron Zemo found that Captain America is alive also, Captain America must fight his old enemy and save The Avengers.

http://i.annihil.us/u/prod/marvel/i/mg/6/e0/4cfec28919245.jpg

http://marvel.com/videos/watch/1659/the_avengers_emh_2010_season_1-_ep_9

Medinnus

12-09-2010, 07:33 PM

They spent an innordinant amount of time assuring Cap that Bucky was dead. ..That's got to mean that the Winter Soldier is coming, right?

I think that's highly speculative - and I'd bet money its also correct! ;)

NB - In MU616, Cap's shield is vibranium/steel alloy that was never able to be reproduced. Don't know if that applies in the AEMH universe, though.

Monte

12-10-2010, 01:36 AM

NB - In MU616, Cap's shield is vibranium/steel alloy that was never able to be reproduced. Don't know if that applies in the AEMH universe, though.

I think it may have been implied. I think i recall in the micro episodes Cap saying that his sheild was one of a kind

ShadowStar

03-10-2011, 06:20 AM

While I didn't care for parts of the fights with Doughboy, this was still a great episode. Captain America's revival and subsequent clash with the Avengers was the best part, but the intriguing use of the Black Panther (is he going to use what he's learnt from the mansion files to blackmail the team into helping him?) helped, as did Zemo's coolness. Baron Zemo turned down the opportunity to regain control of Hydra so that he could pursue his vendetta and after seeing his exposure to virus X in the flashback, it's hardly surprising (not that I think Zemo's actions are justified). He strikes me as a good villain and I'm glad that he'll be back, as evidenced by the ending.

I'd say that Captain America is my third favourite Avenger (Thor being my favourite and Giant Man being my second favourite). It will be interesting to see how he copes in the new world, having lost so much from being frozen for decades. I sort of expected him to be less accepting of his fate, given how violently he reacted at the beginning of the episode, but it's good that he came to his senses and didn't spurn Tony's offer to join the Avengers.