"Batman: The Brave & The Bold" News & Discussion Thread, Part 7 (Spoilers)

[James Harvey]

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[Yojimbo]

Well, it seems (other than the "Legends" JL ep in tribute only), Alan Scott gets ignored in animation. Brave & The Bold seems the only oportunity to get a real appearance of the guy, and with a sufficient link of both Lanterns mythos. I know this show can do it if anyone.

Hopefully, the Green Lantern series can give due to the guy. Wasn't their a story that linked Abin Sur to the old GL and that was where they got the idea of the ring or something. I mean the original lantern originated from outerspace anyways, it just seemed more mystical in the way things were done. Again, though, this show could do it.Plus with the whole wood weakness. They can also make Scott one of this Gotham's first heroes, and thus one of Bruce Wayne's idols/mentors, too. I think at some point in the comics, he became a secret agent for the FBI, maybe that can get shoehorned for why he hasn't appeared yet.

Alan Scott finds the Starheart, some necromantic energy left over from when the Guardians beat the Empire of Tears (the Five Inversions, Atrocitus). They gather it into one object, and it lands on Earth or something like that. The Starheart's got some heavy backstory to it, yeah.

[M.O.D.O.K.]

I recall seeing a statue of Alan Scott in a Gotham park in Batman: The Brave and the Bold-The Videogame. A nod or a hint at a future appearance?

[Yojimbo]

I recall seeing a statue of Alan Scott in a Gotham park in Batman: The Brave and the Bold-The Videogame. A nod or a hint at a future appearance?That's what I thought, too.

I also recall someone asked Ben Jones about Alan Scott and Jones replied he's come up in numerous discussions.

[SSJBatman]

Batmanga?

You guys had me at Scooby doo. Stop making me love this show more than I already did ;__;

[the greenman]

That's what I thought, too.

I also recall someone asked Ben Jones about Alan Scott and Jones replied he's come up in numerous discussions.

It's possible he could still make an appearance or at the very least a mention. If he doesn't show up on this show, there's always hope the GL show will have him at some point.

[Yojimbo]

Batmanga?

You guys had me at Scooby doo. Stop making me love this show more than I already did ;__;Yes, the episode is going to rock! I really hope it doesn't turn out to be one of those that polarizes the fans. I'm really looking forward to seeing how Bat-Manga gets animated (which is sorta ironic in a sense).


It's possible he could still make an appearance or at the very least a mention. If he doesn't show up on this show, there's always hope the GL show will have him at some point.A mention could be possible. There's a couple of characters and places mentioned first before actually appearing on the show like Superman, Poison Ivy, Justice League, Iron Heights, Star City, Riddler, Arkham Asylum, Catwoman, Batgirl, Aqualad, and Killer Moth. Other so far are just mentioned like Kryptonite, Gorilla City, Mercy Reef, Commissioner Gordon, Keystone City, Metropolis, Man Bat, Shadow Thief, Thanagar, Emerald Eye of Ekron, and the posters of the Bountiful Baboushka, Romulus and Remus, Lodestone, Flex Mentallo, Dorothy Spinner, Shasta the Living Mountain, and Beast Boy.

[KillerMoth]

EDIT: Internet is speedy again so I'm back for posting!



Final episode will be the absolute strangest

I'm really curious as to how strange it will be, but a thought came to me the other day of what I'd love to see, even if it is highly unlikely - Batman vs James Tucker and he crew. We've seen the creators before on the show in Legends of the Dark Mite! and this shows breaks the fourth wall like crazy and is very meta bent, I think it would be awesome fun to see the BTBATB universe take on their animation crew who are hell-bent on putting an end to the show. Opinions vary of course but I think its a nifty idea at least :o


"One upcoming episode begins with a teaser in which the heroes are playing the supervillains at baseball. They're not fighting, and there's nothing major at stake"

This I am psyched about. Hopefully we get a wide range of villains and heroes, and especially hoping that its one of the longer teasers. Really, a baseball ep with no stakes could easily support its own episode.

I like that the show is gradually getting stranger and crazier. The first season has some darn strange Silver Age stuff already, but season 2 so far has upped the ante into full on craziness. Going by what's been said, season 3 may cause the very viewer to go mad from what they see....


Plague Of The Prototypes!
When Batman is on call, Gotham is kept safe by his squad of trusty Bat-Robots, but when Black Mask reprograms the unstoppable soldiers to do his bidding, Batman must blow the dust off "Proto", his bumbling beta-test robot to help him stop the villain
Awww, I was hoping for more Batgirl. I'll be disappointed if all Batgirl appears in for the rest of this season is The Criss-Cross Conspiracy? especially since she had such a cool intro. By the by, is Proto an existing DC comics character?


Yup, exactly what I think, too. I forget if I theorized earlier that Ray Palmer retired, chose Ryan Choi to replace him and went to go live with the princess and now they story may be they need Palmer for something only he knows to solve.

We know we're getting some Wonder Woman villains later (Maybe they'll finall be given animated justice), maybe we'll get Giganta dating Ryan Choi?

[Yojimbo]

This I am psyched about. Hopefully we get a wide range of villains and heroes, and especially hoping that its one of the longer teasers. Really, a baseball ep with no stakes could easily support its own episode.That's true. It's been pulled it off before in animation, The Real Ghostbusters comes to mind.


Going by what's been said, season 3 may cause the very viewer to go mad from what they see....Luckily, it's only temporary madness. Usually.


Awww, I was hoping for more Batgirl. I'll be disappointed if all Batgirl appears in for the rest of this season is The Criss-Cross Conspiracy? especially since she had such a cool intro.Yeah, but it'll interesting to see her and Nightwing interact for the first time on the show. I think she'll appear more than that episode.


By the by, is Proto an existing DC comics character?I thought he was based on the Bat-Knights from Kingdom Come. But then again, I thought the same for the Batmobile's Robot Exo-Suit mode.


We know we're getting some Wonder Woman villains later (Maybe they'll finallY be given animated justice), maybe we'll get Giganta dating Ryan Choi?I'm rooting for folk like Angle Man, Doctor Cyber, Doctor Poison, Doctor Psycho, Egg Fu, Mouse Man, and the Human Fireworks to appear. But going by the producers' love of C-List, maybe more one shot villains. :eek:;)

[KillerMoth]

T
Luckily, it's only temporary madness. Usually.

I'm reminded of lightning being the cause of Kiteman becoming a villain....and standing in water. For no real reason :D


Yeah, but it'll interesting to see her and Nightwing interact for the first time on the show. I think she'll appear more than that episode.

I hadn't thought of that, it will be interesting to see how their interactions pan out. I'm hoping that the ep will be like The Power of Shazam! ep which gave a lot of time to all characters and parties.


I thought he was based on the Bat-Knights from Kingdom Come. But then again, I thought the same for the Batmobile's Robot Exo-Suit mode.

I still think both are references as they are very similar visually. But the Prototypes ep is certainly a more faithful reference.

Correct me if I'm wrong, but I think this ep wil be the first time the main guest star will be one created for the show?


I'm rooting for folk like Angle Man, Doctor Cyber, Doctor Poison, Doctor Psycho, Egg Fu, Mouse Man, and the Human Fireworks to appear. But going by the producers' love of C-List, maybe more one shot villains. :eek:;)
I'd personally love to see Angle Man, The Cheetah (version that wears the skin), Egg Fu and Giganta myself. Really I'm just looking forward ot the possibility of a great animated Wonder Woman complete with actual (shock) faithful rogues. If they get even one half of the equation right I'll be happy. Though Doctor Psycho is probably a little dark really.

[the greenman]

I'm rooting for folk like Angle Man, Doctor Cyber, Doctor Poison, Doctor Psycho, Egg Fu, Mouse Man, and the Human Fireworks to appear. But going by the producers' love of C-List, maybe more one shot villains. :eek:;)

Insert Beavis & butthead voice -> thats a lotta doctors.

Seriously though, I think jl ruined the chance for a good ww episode. Though if we get some more stuff in terms of her.in the dtv's we'll see the rogues gallery.

[ShadowStar]

Is Warner Bros. gonna provide images and clips for "The Criss Cross Conspiracy!"?

[M.O.D.O.K.]

Is Warner Bros. gonna provide images and clips for "The Criss Cross Conspiracy!"?

Either tomorrow or never. Gotta say, they've slacking a lot lately.

[Robert McSantos]

Hopefully we get a wide range of villains and heroes, and especially hoping that its one of the longer teasers.

Nine heroes and nine villains? Batman will be on the heroes' team, obviously. Sportsmaster will probably be the leader of the villains' team (talk about a man in his element), and Joker will likely be on it as well.

I assume they won't use any of the really overpowered villains. The game would end pretty quick if Equinox or Starro were playing!

[KillerMoth]

Nine heroes and nine villains? Batman will be on the heroes' team, obviously. Sportsmaster will probably be the leader of the villains' team (talk about a man in his element), and Joker will likely be on it as well.

I assume they won't use any of the really overpowered villains. The game would end pretty quick if Equinox or Starro were playing!
Yeah, I didn't think of Sportsmaster actually, pulling for him now since he's one of the few spotlight characters not to have made a second appearance. I reckon Aquaman will be in it, and Green Arrow too since they provide good banter, and Black Canary since she's the most reoccuring female and you need atleast one girl on the team.

On the other side I think the regulars Black Manta, Gorilla Grodd and Clock King may be there.

[the greenman]

Pretty sure Plastic Man will be on the team too. If only as the bat, ball, or plate.


Yes, the episode is going to rock! I really hope it doesn't turn out to be one of those that polarizes the fans. I'm really looking forward to seeing how Bat-Manga gets animated (which is sorta ironic in a sense).


I imagine this will episode will be an animation lesson. It's kinda hard to duplicate that early 60's anime style with bad dubbing (or just bad synch period) and stiff animation. Scooby will be the same. It's really hard for me to watch those cause I can spot all the flaws, including repetetive backgrounds, lack of color matching, lip synching, etc. Interestingly, there's that Bill Finger segment of Legends of the Dark Knight where they do that nod to The Birds with Joker looking like Tipi Hedron. But the editing there also looks like some 60's anime to me.

[Robert McSantos]

On the other side I think the regulars Black Manta, Gorilla Grodd and Clock King may be there.

We'll probably see Grodd catch a fly ball with his feet.

[Yojimbo]

Yeah, I didn't think of Sportsmaster actually, pulling for him now since he's one of the few spotlight characters not to have made a second appearance.Well he did have those hilarious one off's in "Aquaman's Outrageous Adventure!" and "Hail the Tornado Tyrant!". But I'm thinking he's going to the umpire...for some reason.


I hadn't thought of that, it will be interesting to see how their interactions pan out. I'm hoping that the ep will be like The Power of Shazam! ep which gave a lot of time to all characters and parties.Exactly what I thought, too.


Correct me if I'm wrong, but I think this ep wil be the first time the main guest star will be one created for the show?Umm...well Slug, Fun Haus, Babyface and co., and Equinox were created for the show but as villain guest stars. Proto will be the first robot guest star made for the show, I guess. :p


I'd personally love to see Angle Man, The Cheetah (version that wears the skin), Egg Fu and Giganta myself. Really I'm just looking forward ot the possibility of a great animated Wonder Woman complete with actual (shock) faithful rogues. If they get even one half of the equation right I'll be happy. Though Doctor Psycho is probably a little dark really.Yeah, "The Last Patrol!" is a great example of utter fan service for a rouges gallery. But for WW, it's a bit more narrow because from what I remember, it's a lot more ex-Nazi's and female villains disguising themselves as men for whatever plot reason.

[M.O.D.O.K.]

Well he did have those hilarious one off's in "Aquaman's Outrageous Adventure!" and "Hail the Tornado Tyrant!". But I'm thinking he's going to the umpire...for some reason.

If he were alive, Equinox would have been the perfect umpire.

[Yojimbo]

If he were alive, Equinox would have been the perfect umpire.http://toonzone.net/forums/images/smilies/lol.gif, good one.

[Robert McSantos]

If he were alive, Equinox would have been the perfect umpire.

Naw, he always fudges the rules to keep the score perfectly balanced, so every game ends in a tie.

[KillerMoth]

Bad and good news for me, the shack trip was canceled because of awful weather, but at least it means I'll be able to see The Criss-Cross Conspiracy?.

Pretty sure Plastic Man will be on the team too. If only as the bat, ball, or plate.


We'll probably see Grodd catch a fly ball with his feet.
I'd love to see both of those, especially the Plas idea.

Well he did have those hilarious one off's in "Aquaman's Outrageous Adventure!" and "Hail the Tornado Tyrant!". But I'm thinking he's going to the umpire...for some reason.

True, but I tend to count appearances by speaking roles, or atleast being highlighted in a scene with a decent time - like Monsieur Mallah in The Last Patrol!. But Bif as Sportsmaster was casting genius, and I'd love to see him again.


Umm...well Slug, Fun Haus, Babyface and co., and Equinox were created for the show but as villain guest stars. Proto will be the first robot guest star made for the show, I guess. :p

Sorry, should've made myself more clear, I mean guest heroes, of which I think Proto may be the first made-up one. The more I think about it, the more I think other heroes may be in the ep. After all, most eps don't reveal many of the other players.


Yeah, "The Last Patrol!" is a great example of utter fan service for a rouges gallery. But for WW, it's a bit more narrow because from what I remember, it's a lot more ex-Nazi's and female villains disguising themselves as men for whatever plot reason.
Depends on which version you're going for really. While I don't think Dr Psycho would ever work for BTBATB, I think you can get away with ex-Nazis (heck, you mentioned The Last Patrol! in your post - Zahl) and some other WW rogues like the Cheetah, Giganta etc, while Dr Poison could simply be done as Batman not realising she's a she - "Dr Poison is a woman! Either way, the hammer of justice is equal on both genders! KAPOW!"

If he were alive, Equinox would have been the perfect umpire.

Naw, he always fudges the rules to keep the score perfectly balanced, so every game ends in a tie.
:D

[Triant]

While Criss Cross Conspiracy looks like it'll be fun, is there a reason the Birds of Prey episode has been skipped?

[the greenman]

Umm...well Slug,


Ya know after I saw that ep "Enter the Outsiders", I thought he was Mandragora who appeared in the JLU ep "Double Date". That didn't go anywhere, but I did find two other possible connections. A character called Tobias Whale who was a Black Lightning villian. On another wiki, they compare Slug to a new god named Sleez. So it's possible he's an interesting amalgam of all of them.

Just another reason I hope they have a sequel to this series. It would be cool if we get a World's Finest series in this universe. I don't think they've ever had a Superman/Batman series, and it would be interesting to see this team tackle some stories from Supes' perspective.

[Robert McSantos]

It would be cool if we get a World's Finest series in this universe. I don't think they've ever had a Superman/Batman series, and it would be interesting to see this team tackle some stories from Supes' perspective.

It would be cool to get a World's Finest series in any universe, even a completely new one. And if they're going to do it, 2012 seems like the perfect time, because there'll be a new Superman movie (http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0770828/) and a new Batman movie (http://www.imdb.com/title/tt1345836/) that year.

[Yojimbo]

Bad and good news for me, the shack trip was canceled because of awful weather, but at least it means I'll be able to see The Criss-Cross Conspiracy?.Cool. Got some pretty awful weather at my place, too. Something's up in the Pacific Ocean this week.


Sorry, should've made myself more clear, I mean guest heroes, of which I think Proto may be the first made-up one. The more I think about it, the more I think other heroes may be in the ep. After all, most eps don't reveal many of the other players.Gotcha. I would guess another hero. Both this person and Batman get caught and Proto saves them somehow.


Depends on which version you're going for really. While I don't think Dr Psycho would ever work for BTBATB, I think you can get away with ex-Nazis (heck, you mentioned The Last Patrol! in your post - Zahl) and some other WW rogues like the Cheetah, Giganta etc, while Dr Poison could simply be done as Batman not realising she's a she - "Dr Poison is a woman! Either way, the hammer of justice is equal on both genders! KAPOW!" Well t here you go, ha ha. But folk like Zahl and Per Degaton had a super villain appeal to me while some of the WW one's were straight up like how Batman and Superman fought mostly mobsters in the early comics.


While Criss Cross Conspiracy looks like it'll be fun, is there a reason the Birds of Prey episode has been skipped?Yes, in the musical number some of the animation had to be edited a little because of some sort of innuendo that was noticed after it aired in Australia. Hopefully, it'll get to air next month in the USA.


Ya know after I saw that ep "Enter the Outsiders", I thought he was Mandragora who appeared in the JLU ep "Double Date". That didn't go anywhere, but I did find two other possible connections. A character called Tobias Whale who was a Black Lightning villian. On another wiki, they compare Slug to a new god named Sleez. So it's possible he's an interesting amalgam of all of them.Something like that. I know this question was asked but I don't know where, it could have been an interview or one of the 253 questions Ben Jones answered on his Formspring. I want to say Slug's another Tobias Whale stand in but I can't recall.


Just another reason I hope they have a sequel to this series. It would be cool if we get a World's Finest series in this universe. I don't think they've ever had a Superman/Batman series, and it would be interesting to see this team tackle some stories from Supes' perspective.
It would be cool to get a World's Finest series in any universe, even a completely new one. And if they're going to do it, 2012 seems like the perfect time, because there'll be a new Superman movie (http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0770828/) and a new Batman movie (http://www.imdb.com/title/tt1345836/) that year.I agree. Though the producers seem to favor a JLI spin-off more. We shall see why...

I guess the focus on series based on movies is Green Lantern for now.

[Radical]

WOOHOOO, I'm so happy Black Mask finally makes an appearance who plays a cool major role like his awesome performance in Batman:Under The Red Hood and I hope to see Batman's other rogues who're Clayface, Killer Croc, Deadshot, and Anarchy that will show up in the series as well:D.

That baseball teaser is gonna be awesome which the supervillains Black Manta, Gorilla Grodd, Clock King, Gentleman Ghost, and Sportsmaster will be great in it:D and others that need more screentime like The Mad Hatter, Captain Cold, The Shark, Wotan, The Cavalier, Mongal, or Shrapnel that will show up which will be sweet!!!!!!

Wonder Woman's rogues gallery appearing in the series will be epic as much as I want to see my favorites, Cheetah, Giganta, Ares, Circe, Dark Angel, Silver Swan, Minister Blizzard, The Termite Queen, Paper Man, and Warhead to make an appearance.

Woooow, this series is gonna get awesome/crazier by the minute.

[Yojimbo]

CN has "Cry Freedom Fighters!" scheduled for November 12th. :cool:

Fingers crossed for "The Mask of Matches Malone!" on the 19th.

[the greenman]

CN has "Cry Freedom Fighters!" scheduled for November 12th. :cool:

Fingers crossed for "The Mask of Matches Malone!" on the 19th.

If we don't get it by the 19th, we may not get till after the holiday break.:sad:

[Callonme]

Nov. 19 - "The Knights of Tomorrow!" (Ep. 49)

Dec. 3 - "Darkseid Descending!" (Ep. 50)

Pretty awesome stuff! "The Knights of Tomorrow!" is clearly the Batman's Future episode and "Darkseid Descending!" is the JLI episode.

Hopefully we will get the final two episodes after that! And "The Mask of Matches Malone!" of course.

I wonder what the season finale will bring. I doubt it's the Marvel Family episode, leading me to believe that they will be in a teaser. We haven't yet seen GI Robot or Sgt. Rock and I believe they are both teasers.

[ShadowStar]

Nov. 19 - "The Knights of Tomorrow!" (Ep. 49)

Dec. 3 - "Darkseid Descending!" (Ep. 50)

Pretty awesome stuff! "The Knights of Tomorrow!" is clearly the Batman's Future episode and "Darkseid Descending!" is the JLI episode.

Hopefully we will get the final two episodes after that! And "The Mask of Matches Malone!" of course.

I wonder what the season finale will bring. I doubt it's the Marvel Family episode, leading me to believe that they will be in a teaser. We haven't yet seen GI Robot or Sgt. Rock and I believe they are both teasers.

I'm not surprised that "The Knights of Tomorrow!" is episode 49. Back when the episode about Batman's legacy/future was first mentioned, the person who mentioned it said that it was coming up near the end of season 2. So I didn't think it would be the season finale.

The Marvel Family could well be in a teaser. I thought that before and it's looking likely now. That said, the last episode of season 1 in production order ("Inside the Outsiders!") was without a finale vibe so I guess a season 2 finale involving a fairly standard plot (Batman teams up with the Marvel Family to fight whoever) and nothing huge isn't out of the question.

But still... Darkseid! Wasn't expecting that, especially since Superman was still off-limits while they were planning season 2, and Darkseid is one of his rogues (or is that just in the DCAU?).

G.I. Robot will probably be in the teaser for "Plague of the Prototypes!" and perhaps Sgt. Rock is in the teaser for "Cry Freedom Fighters!".

I wonder if "The Knights of Tomorrow!" is intended to be a reference to one of the proposed titles for Batman Beyond: The Tomorrow Knight.

[the greenman]

But still... Darkseid! Wasn't expecting that, especially since Superman was still off-limits while they were planning season 2, and Darkseid is one of his rogues (or is that just in the DCAU


Not really, though the fourth world characters did figure in a lot of older stories. I think Timm said he just wanted to borrow Darkseid for stas for a bigger tougher baddie. Kinda like frank miller did with Kingpin in Daredevil.

As I said, I don't expect "Mask" till after the break. They'll probably be able to use it as a sweeps ep along with "batmite presents". I think Shadowstar is on the money, but I kinda hoped the Marvel family, ep would tie in with the Supes/shazam dvd.

[Robert McSantos]

But still... Darkseid! Wasn't expecting that, especially since Superman was still off-limits while they were planning season 2, and Darkseid is one of his rogues (or is that just in the DCAU?).

Darkseid isn't technically a Superman rogue, although he did first appear in a Superman spin-off book, namely Superman's Pal, Jimmy Olsen. His appearances there were really just a lead-in for DC's new Fourth World line, in which he was the main villain. The Four World line was basically three ongoing series that tried to apply the themes of classical mythology to a science fiction setting.

The heroes from the Fourth World line never really caught on, but the villains sure did, and they continued to be used in various DC books long after their own books had been canceled, including Superman and Justice League International.

Edit: Sarnath'd

[Radical]

The Batman future/legacy episode will be sweet and YYEESS, my wish came true that Darkseid is gonna appear in the series:eek::D which he'll be Batman's next most toughest/powerful major enemy besides Equinox, the Music Meister, and Starro/The Faceless Hunter which Batman clashing with him is gonna be awesome next to Superman/Orion's clashes with him.

[M.O.D.O.K.]

Darkseid's appearance will be very interesting. If someone could do a color palette swap on this show's Mongul, he'd resemble Darkseid a lot, so I wonder how he'd look. I'm also curious as how will voice him.

[Yojimbo]

If we don't get it by the 19th, we may not get till after the holiday break.:sad:Exacto-mundo. :( It will definitely make folk pursue alternate means.


Pretty awesome stuff! "The Knights of Tomorrow!" is clearly the Batman's Future episode and "Darkseid Descending!" is the JLI episode.It'll be interesting to see that JLI lineup taking on Darkseid. Hm. Wonder what other New Gods will pop up. Knights, plural, was an eye catcher. But I suspect a lot of long time fans will be angered if McGinnis doesn't appear.


I wonder what the season finale will bring. I doubt it's the Marvel Family episode, leading me to believe that they will be in a teaser. We haven't yet seen GI Robot or Sgt. Rock and I believe they are both teasers.Yeah, seems like it. We're still waiting on characters said to appear back from as far as the '09 Comic Con; Viking Prince, GI Robot, Sergeant Rock, Red Hood, Kamandi, namely.


The Marvel Family could well be in a teaser. I thought that before and it's looking likely now. That said, the last episode of season 1 in production order ("Inside the Outsiders!") was without a finale vibe so I guess a season 2 finale involving a fairly standard plot (Batman teams up with the Marvel Family to fight whoever) and nothing huge isn't out of the question.I think the last episode will be the Marvel Family vs the Monster Society of Evil.


G.I. Robot will probably be in the teaser for "Plague of the Prototypes!" and perhaps Sgt. Rock is in the teaser for "Cry Freedom Fighters!".Yeah, I sorta think Rock and GI Robot will be in "Plague of the Prototypes!". Who better to help stop an unbeatable army of robots? But for some reason I think it'll be GI Robot in the teaser and Batman, Proto, and Rock in the main story. Just a hunch.


I wonder if "The Knights of Tomorrow!" is intended to be a reference to one of the proposed titles for Batman Beyond: The Tomorrow Knight.Could be. But to be honest the Atomic Knights and Starman came to my mind first, lol.

[M.O.D.O.K.]

I kinda doubt that the Marvel Family episode will be the season finale. Maybe it's like the UK airings of the end of the season, where it was aired by production order, and aired "Inside the Outsiders!" as the finale, instead of the actual intended finale, "The Fate of Equinox!"

[Yojimbo]

I kinda doubt that the Marvel Family episode will be the season finale. Maybe it's like the UK airings of the end of the season, where it was aired by production order, and aired "Inside the Outsiders!" as the finale, instead of the actual intended finale, "The Fate of Equinox!"Let's not underestimate the Monster Society of Evil. Especially if Mister Atom is part of it.

But...Ben Jones offered a cryptic clue on the subject

The Marvel Family will appear in Season 2, but you'll have to wait to see how.Link: Formspring Reply (http://www.formspring.me/IdiotStyle/q/1446846302)

[Robert McSantos]

I guess the focus on series based on movies is Green Lantern for now.

We've got Young Justice this year, and Green Lantern in 2011. By 2012, The Brave and the Bold will over, so maybe the people who used to work on it need something else to do?

Okay, I'm probably being overly optimistic...

[Yojimbo]

We've got Young Justice this year, and Green Lantern in 2011. By 2012, The Brave and the Bold will over, so maybe the people who used to work on it need something else to do?

Okay, I'm probably being overly optimistic...Well, Michael Chang, a director, has already started working on Young Justice. James Tucker is brainstorming a new Batman CGI animated series and Michael Jelenic is working on Thundercats. Jim Krieg is working on the Green Lantern: The Animated Series/CGI show. I think that's all we know so far in terms of staff. I think if the Batman CGI gets the official greenlight, Tucker would hold onto most of TBATB staff, ideally.

[Jacob T. Paschal]

Oh wow, Darkseid's going to be in an episode? I wonder who they'll cast. I'd suggest Kevin Michael Richardson, but that might be a little to similar to B'wanna.

Oh, what the hell. Cast him anyhow! :p

[Robert McSantos]

James Tucker is brainstorming a new Batman CGI animated series

True, but how do we know that's only a Batman show. :)

A World's Finest show would also be a Batman show, since Batman would co-star in every episode. It still might happen!

[Yojimbo]

Oh wow, Darkseid's going to be in an episode? I wonder who they'll cast. I'd suggest Kevin Michael Richardson, but that might be a little to similar to B'wanna.

Oh, what the hell. Cast him anyhow! :pKevin Michael Richardson sounds like a shoe in but we all know who we want to voice him. ;)


True, but how do we know that's only a Batman show. :)

A Wor'd's Finest show would also be a Batman show, since Batman would co-star in every episode. It still might happen!Indeed. Anything's possible. More so since various things were adapted and borrowed from the Silver Age World's Finest comics.

[KillerMoth]

Nov. 19 - "The Knights of Tomorrow!" (Ep. 49)

Dec. 3 - "Darkseid Descending!" (Ep. 50)

Wow! Darkseid, looking forward to seeing him, hopefully the Kirbyness is ramped up to the Nth degree.

It may be asking for too much, but I sincerely hope Big Barda and Mr Miracle appear.


I wonder what the season finale will bring. I doubt it's the Marvel Family episode, leading me to believe that they will be in a teaser. We haven't yet seen GI Robot or Sgt. Rock and I believe they are both teasers.
Could the Marvel Family and Monster Society of Evil really fit in a teaser though? I doubt it, since it means a buttload of characters will have to be introduced and not to mention that Mary Marvel will still have to have an explanation for gaining powers. Plus, the Monster Society of Evil certainly has finale possibility.


Knights, plural, was an eye catcher. But I suspect a lot of long time fans will be angered if McGinnis doesn't appear.

I wonder if it will really take place that far into Batman's future though. I was thinking that since the show is highly meta already, and we've already had loads of nods indicating that the Golden Age is actually in the past of this show, then the logical progression would be to have a Bronze Age, or Modern Age future, with Oracle and such. But I honestly don't know what to expect, and am frankly quite nervous about it, I want the BTBATB universe future to still be optimistic.


Yeah, seems like it. We're still waiting on characters said to appear back from as far as the '09 Comic Con; Viking Prince, GI Robot, Sergeant Rock, Red Hood, Kamandi, namely.

I'm thinking that Red Hood will be in a teaser atleast, sort of a "Thanks for helping my save my home dimension Batman" style of thing, and the same for Kamandi and Viking Prince. GI Robot and Sergeant Rock I'm not sure about. To be honest, I was caught off-guard with the reveals of these last eps, along with what we know it seems a lot to cram in. But I trust Tucker and crew to pull it off spectacularly, this show has really hit a run at the moment.


I think the last episode will be the Marvel Family vs the Monster Society of Evil.

Same. Mr Mind!

I kinda doubt that the Marvel Family episode will be the season finale. Maybe it's like the UK airings of the end of the season, where it was aired by production order, and aired "Inside the Outsiders!" as the finale, instead of the actual intended finale, "The Fate of Equinox!"
It may well be like that, but I think Ben Jones confirmed the production order didn't he?

Let's not underestimate the Monster Society of Evil. Especially if Mister Atom is part of it.

But...Ben Jones offered a cryptic clue on the subject
Link: Formspring Reply (http://www.formspring.me/IdiotStyle/q/1446846302)
Just looked Mister Atom up, he looks very cool. As long as Mr Mind is there.

This is my favourite current Ben Jones reply:
As there has been an influx in the amount of Batman-centric episodes in the back half of Season 2, can we expect the pendulum to swing back the other way for Season 3? (http://www.formspring.me/IdiotStyle/q/1446711543)
In Season 3, expect the pendulum to break free from its mooring and go crashing randomly all over the place.

Sounds like Season 3 will be nuts.

[Radical]

A new CGI Batman series will be interesting next to the epic CGI Green Lantern series coming soon.

[Yojimbo]

Wow! Darkseid, looking forward to seeing him, hopefully the Kirbyness is ramped up to the Nth degree.

It may be asking for too much, but I sincerely hope Big Barda and Mr Miracle appear.Yes, I'm hoping it would be a Kirby epic, but if it's got the JLI in it, that doesn't leave much room. Fingers crossed.


Could the Marvel Family and Monster Society of Evil really fit in a teaser though? I doubt it, since it means a buttload of characters will have to be introduced and not to mention that Mary Marvel will still have to have an explanation for gaining powers. Plus, the Monster Society of Evil certainly has finale possibility.Exactly. Besides Mary Marvel, Ben Jones said some members of the Marvel Family will appear so that be anyone-Mister Tawky Tawny (who already had a cameo as a regular doll), Junior, Uncle, the Lieutenants, etc. and the Monster Society.


I wonder if it will really take place that far into Batman's future though. I was thinking that since the show is highly meta already, and we've already had loads of nods indicating that the Golden Age is actually in the past of this show, then the logical progression would be to have a Bronze Age, or Modern Age future, with Oracle and such. But I honestly don't know what to expect, and am frankly quite nervous about it, I want the BTBATB universe future to still be optimistic.Good point. But seeing all those Batmobiles from different Ages threw me for a loop. Oracle came to mind, too. But Grayson, if he's still Nightwing is another guess. Along with if anyone's going by Robin or Red Robin. There's a lot of potential.


I'm thinking that Red Hood will be in a teaser at least, sort of a "Thanks for helping my save my home dimension Batman" style of thing, and the same for Kamandi and Viking Prince. GI Robot and Sergeant Rock I'm not sure about. To be honest, I was caught off-guard with the reveals of these last eps, along with what we know it seems a lot to cram in. But I trust Tucker and crew to pull it off spectacularly, this show has really hit a run at the moment.Haha, true. It'd be cool if he met the Joker and Harley Quinn. And Kamandi's been champing at the bit to visit the past. No idea what the Viking Prince one would be-either his love story with Black Canary or the more hilarious one I can think of, Bat-Viking time travel story.


Same. Mr Mind!Heck yes!


It may well be like that, but I think Ben Jones confirmed the production order didn't he?Yeah, he confirmed "The Knights of Tomorrow!" is #49 and "Darkseid Descended!" is #50. I also asked J.M. DeMatteis if the latter is his JLI script, just out of curiosity. He's always a pleasure to converse with in any case.


This is my favourite current Ben Jones reply:
As there has been an influx in the amount of Batman-centric episodes in the back half of Season 2, can we expect the pendulum to swing back the other way for Season 3? (http://www.formspring.me/IdiotStyle/q/1446711543)

In Season 3, expect the pendulum to break free from its mooring and go crashing randomly all over the place.

Sounds like Season 3 will be nuts.Gulp. Whatever it is, the show has whittled down my list of who I want to see in animation to a small fraction. So whoever else pops in will be neat. Imagine if more 5th Dimension imps like Qwsp (Aquaman's resident fanboy) and Mr. Mxyzptlk appear. Or Moon Man, Zarbor, and Professor Bubbles from the old Batman cartoon (don't think Electro or Chameleon can anything but nameless cameos).

[KillerMoth]

Yes, I'm hoping it would be a Kirby epic, but if it's got the JLI in it, that doesn't leave much room. Fingers crossed.

Point, though I can atleast hope that Stompa and Lashina reappear, as well as Steppenwolf. Can't have the entire JLI just jumping Darkseid after all.


Exactly. Besides Mary Marvel, Ben Jones said some members of the Marvel Family will appear so that be anyone-Mister Tawky Tawny (who already had a cameo as a regular doll), Junior, Uncle, the Lieutenants, etc. and the Monster Society.

My money is on Mister Tawky Tawny and Uncle myself, given the former is pure BTBATB material and the latter was prevalent in the Silver Age. Do you know how many are usually in the Society of Evil ranks? I'm personally hoping for Sivana and his kids, Black Adam (his story needs to be concluded after all), Mister Atom (as of like an hour ago) and MR MIND!


Good point. But seeing all those Batmobiles from different Ages threw me for a loop. Oracle came to mind, too. But Grayson, if he's still Nightwing is another guess. Along with if anyone's going by Robin or Red Robin. There's a lot of potential.

That was from the Siege of Starro Part 1 correct? Ben Jones said the future was both more and less positive. I'm thinking that Batgirl is now Oracle, and Alfred obviously older, but that ultimately the Batfamily is still together and maybe there's even a new Robin. Of course it's pure speculation at this point, but one of my biggest gripes about the DCAU was how bleak the future was for Bruce, one of the reasons I think of it and BTAS as separate but similar continuities, since that Bruce was not really the type to let that happen. So I'd be happy to see any Batman future that still portrays the group as close.


Haha, true. It'd be cool if he met the Joker and Harley Quinn. And Kamandi's been champing at the bit to visit the past. No idea what the Viking Prince one would be-either his love story with Black Canary or the more hilarious one I can think of, Bat-Viking time travel story.

That would be interesting actually, especially given that Red Hood's smashing of the mirror in Deep Cover For Batman! still gives me chills, a great moment. I'm at a loss for Viking prince though, I only know him from the somewhat lacklustre JLU ep. I'd have thought he'd need a whole episode, but this is the show that had enemy Ace intro'd in a teaser against alien C'thulhu.


Yeah, he confirmed "The Knights of Tomorrow!" is #49 and "Darkseid Descended!" is #50. I also asked J.M. DeMatteis if the latter is his JLI script, just out of curiosity. He's always a pleasure to converse with in any case.

Ah, thanks, saved from my laziness! Tell us if DeMatteis gives a reply, I always love reading his comments, he seems like a great guy. Though, how do you pronounce his name? Is it De-Matt-i-ess, or De-Mat-tie-ess? Or something else?


Gulp. Whatever it is, the show has whittled down my list of who I want to see in animation to a small fraction. So whoever else pops in will be neat. Imagine if more 5th Dimension imps like Qwsp (Aquaman's resident fanboy) and Mr. Mxyzptlk appear. Or Moon Man, Zarbor, and Professor Bubbles from the old Batman cartoon (don't think Electro or Chameleon can anything but nameless cameos).
Putting aside Wonder Woman and Superman's casts, my list has shrunk (what with Ice, Harley, Batgirl and Jonn Jonzz eliminated) to the Zoo Crew, MR MIIIIIIIND, and those Cactuses from another planet that tried to take over the world in the Silver Age.

[Yojimbo]

Do you know how many are usually in the Society of Evil ranks? I'm personally hoping for Sivana and his kids, Black Adam (his story needs to be concluded after all), Mister Atom (as of like an hour ago) and MR MIND!Their ranks shifted all the time but yeah, I was also thinking the incarnation with Mind, Sivana, the Sivana progeny, Black Adam, and Mister Atom. Most of the teams in episodes are 4-8 members in number. The Crocodile Men would be neat to see, too. There's IBAC, too, but he's got basically another version of Black Adam having to say a magic word to get transformed.


That was from the Siege of Starro Part 1 correct? Ben Jones said the future was both more and less positive. I'm thinking that Batgirl is now Oracle, and Alfred obviously older, but that ultimately the Batfamily is still together and maybe there's even a new Robin. Of course it's pure speculation at this point, but one of my biggest gripes about the DCAU was how bleak the future was for Bruce, one of the reasons I think of it and BTAS as separate but similar continuities, since that Bruce was not really the type to let that happen. So I'd be happy to see any Batman future that still portrays the group as close.Yeah, that's one. Imagine a time when this Batman was riding around in the TDK tank? Mm, well it was bleak for 20 years, imo, in that span between the series opener and the post title sequence. After that, I think the future got bright again for Bruce Wayne. Terry enabled him to fight the good fight again and that's all Wayne ever wanted to keep on doing, spurring the creation of the supersuit. In terms of the Bat Family, yeah, pretty bleak but it gets mended. Aside from Grayson and his Night-Mullet. ;)

But yeah, I'm hoping to still see an active Bat Family. Perhaps, the no part of Ben Jones means there's still crime and a superstitious cowardly lot to battle. Maybe we'll see Batman and Nightwing in new costumes, Oracle, and Robin/Red Robin. I'd be surprised if Azrael were there but with all the death recently, it could happen.


That would be interesting actually, especially given that Red Hood's smashing of the mirror in Deep Cover For Batman! still gives me chills, a great moment. I'm at a loss for Viking prince though, I only know him from the somewhat lacklustre JLU ep. I'd have thought he'd need a whole episode, but this is the show that had enemy Ace intro'd in a teaser against alien C'thulhu.That was a cool origin bit. I still remember that Joker art Alex Ross did, I forget what it was for, but Joker's staring into a shattered mirror he smashed because he just got an idea for his next plan. The Red Hood scene reminded me of it.


Ah, thanks, saved from my laziness! Tell us if DeMatteis gives a reply, I always love reading his comments, he seems like a great guy. Though, how do you pronounce his name? Is it De-Matt-i-ess, or De-Mat-tie-ess? Or something else?I pronounce it the second way. He was kind enough to reply and give one more hint!

No, Yojimbo, it's not. The first of my two JLI scripts features the Demon and a vampiric threat. The second one is a time-travel episode with Bats, the JLI and Rip Hunter. Link: Creation Point Reply (http://www.jmdematteis.com/2010/10/unsolved-mysteries-spider-man-edition.html?showComment=1288552643989#c8437787404581399150)

So we may get our wish for a Kirby epic, Jack Kirby that is.

And a vampiric threat? It'd be neat if they got to do that failed Nocturna story that never made it on B:TAS. But since it's a DeMatteis script, I wonder if it'll be Lord Bennett from the I...Vampire.


Putting aside Wonder Woman and Superman's casts, my list has shrunk (what with Ice, Harley, Batgirl and Jonn Jonzz eliminated) to the Zoo Crew, MR MIIIIIIIND, and those Cactuses from another planet that tried to take over the world in the Silver Age.The Appellaxians from Justice League of America #9?

[ShadowStar]

Originally Posted by J.M. DeMatteis

No, Yojimbo, it's not. The first of my two JLI scripts features the Demon and a vampiric threat. The second one is a time-travel episode with Bats, the JLI and Rip Hunter.

Link: Creation Point Reply (http://www.jmdematteis.com/2010/10/unsolved-mysteries-spider-man-edition.html?showComment=1288552643989#c8437787404581399150)


Wait, so the first JLI episode won't be in season 2 after all? I thought it was said to be coming up near the end of season 2. Ben Jones previously said it was directed by Michael Goguen so does this mean it's coming in season 3?

[KillerMoth]

Their ranks shifted all the time but yeah, I was also thinking the incarnation with Mind, Sivana, the Sivana progeny, Black Adam, and Mister Atom. Most of the teams in episodes are 4-8 members in number. The Crocodile Men would be neat to see, too.

Ah thanks, I've read very little of Captain Marvel. I would've liked to, but my interest sort of peaked after I refused to continue collecting comics. I'm curious as to how Black Adam and Sivana will be on the same side, given how the latter played the former. Which by the by, is still one of my favourite examples in fiction of one seemingly meeker villain revealed to be manipulating the seemingly more dangerous one.


Yeah, that's one. Imagine a time when this Batman was riding around in the TDK tank? Mm, well it was bleak for 20 years, imo, in that span between the series opener and the post title sequence. After that, I think the future got bright again for Bruce Wayne. Terry enabled him to fight the good fight again and that's all Wayne ever wanted to keep on doing, spurring the creation of the supersuit. In terms of the Bat Family, yeah, pretty bleak but it gets mended. Aside from Grayson and his Night-Mullet. ;)

You've got a good point there. It's probably why I hold Return of the Joker as utterly essential to the rest of Batman Beyond, since it does indeed finally bring Tim, Barbara and Bruce back together. Nightwing was the only loose end, but I never liked how he was handled in TNBA anyway (another reason I don't consider BTAS compatible with the DCAU). I just think strangely enough, despite all the craziness BTBATB has, it'll be far more difficult to not screw up the future concept than the DCAU or The Batman, since they had darker, more obsessed Batmans that could leave them in those situations, while this one enjoys fighting crime, is friends with everyone, and is a far more optimistic and generally decent person.


But yeah, I'm hoping to still see an active Bat Family. Perhaps, the no part of Ben Jones means there's still crime and a superstitious cowardly lot to battle. Maybe we'll see Batman and Nightwing in new costumes, Oracle, and Robin/Red Robin. I'd be surprised if Azrael were there but with all the death recently, it could happen.

Azrael would be interesting, though I'd hope no Red Robin, the way Tim's been treated in the comics is something I really don't like.

Speaking of the Batfamily, do you think we'll ever get Alfred or Commisioner Gordon in significant roles? I though the latter would've appeared by now given Batgirl, but it seems I was wrong in the idea that she'd get her own ep in S2. Alfred on the other hand, NEEDS his own episode as the team-up, because he's that cool.


I pronounce it the second way. He was kind enough to reply and give one more hint!
Link: Creation Point Reply (http://www.jmdematteis.com/2010/10/unsolved-mysteries-spider-man-edition.html?showComment=1288552643989#c8437787404581399150)

So we may get our wish for a Kirby epic, Jack Kirby that is.

And a vampiric threat? It'd be neat if they got to do that failed Nocturna story that never made it on B:TAS. But since it's a DeMatteis script, I wonder if it'll be Lord Bennett from the I...Vampire.

Thanks for the link. It's a long shot, but the vampiric threat may be like the JLI Annual issue, though that was more like a zombie infection really.


The Appellaxians from Justice League of America #9?
[/QUOTE]
Batman #147. It is weird, even by Silver Age standards.

Wait, so the first JLI episode won't be in season 2 after all? I thought it was said to be coming up near the end of season 2. Ben Jones previously said it was directed by Michael Goguen so does this mean it's coming in season 3?
I'm pretty sure that he's talking about DeMatteis' JLI eps. Someone else must have written the season 2 JLI ep.

[supergirl's pal]

We know we're getting some Wonder Woman villains later (Maybe they'll finall be given animated justice), maybe we'll get Giganta dating Ryan Choi?

I'd love to see that!
My fingers are also crossed for a Supergirl cameo.

[Yojimbo]

Ah thanks, I've read very little of Captain Marvel. I would've liked to, but my interest sort of peaked after I refused to continue collecting comics. I'm curious as to how Black Adam and Sivana will be on the same side, given how the latter played the former. Which by the by, is still one of my favourite examples in fiction of one seemingly meeker villain revealed to be manipulating the seemingly more dangerous one.I've got a really good comic book shop in my neighborhood and been bantering with the owner for 10+ years now, so when I have to go and look up comics or things I can't find on the Internet or my collection, he's my go-to (But even he was perplexed by who Ma Murder was. ;))


You've got a good point there. It's probably why I hold Return of the Joker as utterly essential to the rest of Batman Beyond, since it does indeed finally bring Tim, Barbara and Bruce back together. Nightwing was the only loose end, but I never liked how he was handled in TNBA anyway (another reason I don't consider BTAS compatible with the DCAU). I just think strangely enough, despite all the craziness BTBATB has, it'll be far more difficult to not screw up the future concept than the DCAU or The Batman, since they had darker, more obsessed Batmans that could leave them in those situations, while this one enjoys fighting crime, is friends with everyone, and is a far more optimistic and generally decent person.Thanks!

But yeah. Nightwing. Reading the Lost Years TPB made me understand him and his motivations on TNBA better. There's just a huge slice of Nightwing-centric stories that just couldn't be adapted for a Batman-centric show.


Azrael would be interesting, though I'd hope no Red Robin, the way Tim's been treated in the comics is something I really don't like. Wait, what? Drake's Red Robin in the comics now? The Red Robin I know was from the Kingdom Come comics, with Dick Grayson (if I'm remembering correctly).


Speaking of the Batfamily, do you think we'll ever get Alfred or Commisioner Gordon in significant roles? I though the latter would've appeared by now given Batgirl, but it seems I was wrong in the idea that she'd get her own ep in S2. Alfred on the other hand, NEEDS his own episode as the team-up, because he's that cool.Yes, I think so. Alfred's had two flashback cameo appearances and Gordon's been referenced and talked to on the Batphone twice on the show already. Plus, they both got planetary alternated on Zur-En-Arrh. I think it's a matter of time. If Batwoman, Bat-Mite, and Bathound got to appear...I thought it would be a cool idea if Batman, on one of his time travel episodes, goes to the WW2 era and teams up with younger, super spy Alfred, perhaps without even knowing it. Then at the end, the present era Alfred makes a gesture that he knew he'd encounter Batman again someday. Something sentimental like that.


Thanks for the link. It's a long shot, but the vampiric threat may be like the JLI Annual issue, though that was more like a zombie infection really. No problem. DeMatteis answered me again today, and he's not sure when the JLI episodes are airing so it's possible we'll have to wait until Season 3 for them at all.


Batman #147. It is weird, even by Silver Age standards.Oh, the Bat-Baby issue. LoL, yes.


I'm pretty sure that he's talking about DeMatteis' JLI eps. Someone else must have written the season 2 JLI ep.DeMatteis write 2 JLI episodes that we know of. The first one is the JLI, Etrigan, and a vampiric threat. The second episode is JLI, Rip Hunter, and lots of time travel. He even dropped another cool hint cause he's so awesome:

with the JLI traveling into the far past AND the far future. Link: Creation Point Reply (http://www.jmdematteis.com/2010/10/unsolved-mysteries-spider-man-edition.html?showComment=1288616237432#c6639204722686338819)

I actually have NO CLUE what order these things are going to air, Yojimbo. You'll probably know before I do!Link: Creation Point Reply (http://www.jmdematteis.com/2010/10/unsolved-mysteries-spider-man-edition.html?showComment=1288616303383#c876296953308410734)

The far future bit made me think, Legion of Superheroes immediately. And I recall Ben Jones saying if they ever got to do them on TBATB, it'll be a completely different version that we've seen in animation so far.


Wait, so the first JLI episode won't be in season 2 after all? I thought it was said to be coming up near the end of season 2. Ben Jones previously said it was directed by Michael Goguen so does this mean it's coming in season 3?Yeah, I don't know now. Color me confused, too. This is what Tucker said back in September:

Toward the end of the second season, 10 episodes from now, we’ll be doing our version of the Justice League. It’ll be based on the Justice League International, which lends itself to the tone of our show.Link: USA Weekend Interview (http://whosnews.usaweekend.com/2010/09/%E2%80%98batman-the-brave-and-the-bold%E2%80%99-returns-tonight-prepares-for-the-coming-of-justice-league-international/)

[Jacob T. Paschal]

Kevin Michael Richardson sounds like a shoe in but we all know who we want to voice him. ;)

Keith David? :p Richard Epcar? ;) Chris Sabat?


I'll probably just fold and accept whoever Romano casts, though. :p

[M.O.D.O.K.]

If they get Keith David for Darkseid, this will be my reaction: :eek::D

[the greenman]

So the time traveling ep means we'll probably get Viking Prince and maybe a return of Kamandi. Be cool to see this universes version of the Legion too. I really was not a fan of the series, glad it won't be tying into that.

Still not all that hyped about the JLI, especially knowing we'll get multiple appearances. But, it'll be fun if Cap'n Marvel's on the team. Just seeing him face off w/ the Fourth World characters in animation is gonna be worth it.

[KillerMoth]

Just posting quickly to say that previews for Plague of the Prototypes! have been released on "the site that cannot be named".

I find myself in the odd position of for once not looking forward to a BTBATB episode. It intrigues me, but there isn't really any major guest starts except for the Sergeant Rock teaser. And while I adore Black Mask's design his voice leaves a little to be desired, though the "mask voice" may be better when seen in full.

[Yojimbo]

GI Robot!! :)

Well, Ben Jones confirms (http://www.formspring.me/IdiotStyle/q/1466298549) the first JLI episode is in Season 2.


So the time traveling ep means we'll probably get Viking Prince and maybe a return of Kamandi. Be cool to see this universes version of the Legion too. I really was not a fan of the series, glad it won't be tying into that.

Still not all that hyped about the JLI, especially knowing we'll get multiple appearances. But, it'll be fun if Cap'n Marvel's on the team. Just seeing him face off w/ the Fourth World characters in animation is gonna be worth it.Ah, nice theory. Wonder if the villain's gonna be someone like Chronos or Time Commander.


If they get Keith David for Darkseid, this will be my reaction: :eek::D


Keith David?That'd be a neat casting. The voice of Goliath, Spawn, the Centre, and more...

[M.O.D.O.K.]

That'd be a neat casting. The voice of Goliath, Spawn, the Centre, and more...

Don't forget Tombstone/The Big Man. Granted, it was only episode, but it was still epic. Even Kevin Michael Richardson did a great impression of him when he took over.

[Yojimbo]

Oh yeah, forgot about that.

And OMG, that sounded like Adam West voicing Proto...:D

Cool to see some of the False Face Society, Ace, and the first GI Robot. Batman's mention of Eiffel Tower reminded me of a Sgt. Rock team up/WWII story but I can't quite remember which.

[M.O.D.O.K.]

And while I adore Black Mask's design his voice leaves a little to be desired, though the "mask voice" may be better when seen in full.

I was hoping John DiMaggio would have used his Hammerhead voice. It was deep, though, and fitting for mobster like Black Mask. Instead, he sounds like his Toyman voice.

[suss2it]

Wait, what? Drake's Red Robin in the comics now? The Red Robin I know was from the Kingdom Come comics, with Dick Grayson (if I'm remembering correctly).Yeah, he's been Red Robin since Dick & Damien became the new Batman & Robin. He has an ongoing written by, Chris Yost and it's actually really good, I recommend picking it up.

[KillerMoth]

I've got a really good comic book shop in my neighborhood and been bantering with the owner for 10+ years now, so when I have to go and look up comics or things I can't find on the Internet or my collection, he's my go-to (But even he was perplexed by who Ma Murder was. ;))

Ah, I see. I myself often have to drive down to Hobart to go to a "proper" comic book shop, though my local Birchalls shop has lots of GNs. My problem basically revolves around the constant state of sexism, racism and classism so prevalent in superhero comics, along with the constant retconning, dark-obsessed storylines and derailment of characters, all of which ultimately turned me off continuing to buy them. As it is, I've got around 40 trades maybe, about half of which are Batman family related. The only buys I'll be making in the future are for the Batgirl, Batwoman and Tiny Titans trades. I considered BTBATB as well, but the art in the issues I didn't really care for.


But yeah. Nightwing. Reading the Lost Years TPB made me understand him and his motivations on TNBA better. There's just a huge slice of Nightwing-centric stories that just couldn't be adapted for a Batman-centric show.

Yeah, I still think they mangled his character though. Dick was always meant to be a far cheerier, upbeat, optimistic person, especially as Nightwing since it helped him resolve many of his own problems. But in TNBA he's like Batman-lite, and the degeneration of his relationship with Bruce was one of the unforgiveable sins of the DCAU for me. I can handle having more cynical and depressing elements in my superheroes, whenever I write something its along that vein, but it is not something that Dick Grayson should ever become. His BTBATB incarnation isn't perfect, but I loved they "got" that becoming his own man was a good turning point for him.


Wait, what? Drake's Red Robin in the comics now? The Red Robin I know was from the Kingdom Come comics, with Dick Grayson (if I'm remembering correctly).


Yeah, he's been Red Robin since Dick & Damien became the new Batman & Robin. He has an ongoing written by, Chris Yost and it's actually really good, I recommend picking it up.
Yeah, like suss2it says, it's a pretty good ongoing, but the circumstances that lead him to this point was one of the things mentioned previously that really turned me off future DC comics purchases. I'll let TvTropes elaborate for me -
Tim has gone through more tragedy in the past TWO YEARS than Batman has in his entire life. (Father? Dead. Best friend? DEAD. Girlfriend? Thought dead but then, oh no, turns out another of his friends, with his girlfriend's help, FAKED HER DEATH, leaving him to grieve and suffer horribly. Another best friend? Has CANCER. Dumped by his new girlfriend Wonder Girl because she can't get over the loss of her first boyfriend, HIS best friend. Tries to clone his friend Superboy? FAILS. OTHER best friend Kid Flash? DIES. HORRIBLY. Batman, his adopted father? First reveals he has a psychotic son who he gives more respect than he gave Tim when he started out, then DIES.)


Yes, I think so. Alfred's had two flashback cameo appearances and Gordon's been referenced and talked to on the Batphone twice on the show already. Plus, they both got planetary alternated on Zur-En-Arrh. I think it's a matter of time. If Batwoman, Bat-Mite, and Bathound got to appear...I thought it would be a cool idea if Batman, on one of his time travel episodes, goes to the WW2 era and teams up with younger, super spy Alfred, perhaps without even knowing it. Then at the end, the present era Alfred makes a gesture that he knew he'd encounter Batman again someday. Something sentimental like that.

That would actually be a really neat episode! Given that we know there will be many time-travel shenanigans, it's certainly something I can see happening. If not that, then an old case that involves Alfred's spy past, which Batman comes along for. Would be a great excuse to use the Question again.


Oh, the Bat-Baby issue. LoL, yes.

I think that's the one, Silver Age comics sometimes had more than one story per issue. In one of the stories Batman fights alien Cacti bred by a man who turns out to be an amnesiac alien. It is very strange.


DeMatteis write 2 JLI episodes that we know of. The first one is the JLI, Etrigan, and a vampiric threat. The second episode is JLI, Rip Hunter, and lots of time travel. He even dropped another cool hint cause he's so awesome:
Link: Creation Point Reply (http://www.jmdematteis.com/2010/10/unsolved-mysteries-spider-man-edition.html?showComment=1288616237432#c6639204722686338819)
Link: Creation Point Reply (http://www.jmdematteis.com/2010/10/unsolved-mysteries-spider-man-edition.html?showComment=1288616303383#c876296953308410734)

The far future bit made me think, Legion of Superheroes immediately. And I recall Ben Jones saying if they ever got to do them on TBATB, it'll be a completely different version that we've seen in animation so far.

Neat, I'm glad he got to write a couple, the JLI are pretty much some of my favourite comics (so naturally DC had to destroy everything). I'm presuming Max Lord won't show, though I wish he would, he was such a great character (that was utterly destroyed). And yeah, relaly hoping for Legion of Superheroes, maybe we'll finally see Fortress Lad? :D

If they get Keith David for Darkseid, this will be my reaction: :eek::D
That's actually a really great idea, he has a wonderfully intimidating voice.


And OMG, that sounded like Adam West voicing Proto...:D

Oh yes, it is indeed! NOW I'm looking forward to the episode. I forgot West was voicing another character.

I was hoping John DiMaggio would have used his Hammerhead voice. It was deep, though, and fitting for mobster like Black Mask. Instead, he sounds like his Toyman voice.
Is it John DiMaggio? I think it sounds somewhat like him but I'm not sure. If so, missed opportunity, his Hammerhead voice would've indeed been perfect.

[Yojimbo]

Yeah, he's been Red Robin since Dick & Damien became the new Batman & Robin. He has an ongoing written by, Chris Yost and it's actually really good, I recommend picking it up.Sure, I'll look into it. I never thought Drake would ever change codenames since we got Peanuts time going.


Ah, I see. I myself often have to drive down to Hobart to go to a "proper" comic book shop, though my local Birchalls shop has lots of GNs. My problem basically revolves around the constant state of sexism, racism and classism so prevalent in superhero comics, along with the constant retconning, dark-obsessed storylines and derailment of characters, all of which ultimately turned me off continuing to buy them. As it is, I've got around 40 trades maybe, about half of which are Batman family related. The only buys I'll be making in the future are for the Batgirl, Batwoman and Tiny Titans trades. I considered BTBATB as well, but the art in the issues I didn't really care for.Yeah, it's more like one of my hang outs. I haven't regularly bought comics since 2003 or around there. Most of the time, I just go there to talk about pulp culture and other things that make us angry. The owner is cool enough that he remembers your name, what kind of comics you like to buy/read, and has an encyclopedic memory of his stock. Long story short: Me: "Ever hear of a Ma Murder?" Him: "Who?" Me: "Exactly." Him: "Does Iron Man 3 come out before The Avengers?" TIME PASSES. That Ghostbusters one shot that came out last month was like the first comic I bought since some Spider-Man issue in 2003. I'm taking a chance on the Young Justice tie-in comic just because the creators are involved with it. :D


But in TNBA he's like Batman-lite, and the degeneration of his relationship with Bruce was one of the unforgiveable sins of the DCAU for me. I can handle having more cynical and depressing elements in my superheroes, whenever I write something its along that vein, but it is not something that Dick Grayson should ever become. His BTBATB incarnation isn't perfect, but I loved they "got" that becoming his own man was a good turning point for him.He's a different sort of upbeat now that's traveled the world. But I sorta liked that interpretation of Nightwing, it was something different than what I came to know him as. I'm not too crazy about Cranford Wilson as the voice of Nightwing on TBATB, Shada as Robin I like.


Tim has gone through more tragedy in the past TWO YEARS than Batman has in his entire life. (Father? Dead. Best friend? DEAD. Girlfriend? Thought dead but then, oh no, turns out another of his friends, with his girlfriend's help, FAKED HER DEATH, leaving him to grieve and suffer horribly. Another best friend? Has CANCER. Dumped by his new girlfriend Wonder Girl because she can't get over the loss of her first boyfriend, HIS best friend. Tries to clone his friend Superboy? FAILS. OTHER best friend Kid Flash? DIES. HORRIBLY. Batman, his adopted father? First reveals he has a psychotic son who he gives more respect than he gave Tim when he started out, then DIES.):shrug: And he still keeps it together.


If not that, then an old case that involves Alfred's spy past, which Batman comes along for. Would be a great excuse to use the Question again.That'd work. They can bring in Question for no reason at all, as far as I'm concerned.


I think that's the one, Silver Age comics sometimes had more than one story per issue. In one of the stories Batman fights alien Cacti bred by a man who turns out to be an amnesiac alien. It is very strange.But that's part of what I love about the Silver Age. Things were still stuff of dreams, not as real and gritty as the Bronze Age shifted comics to.


Neat, I'm glad he got to write a couple, the JLI are pretty much some of my favourite comics (so naturally DC had to destroy everything). I'm presuming Max Lord won't show, though I wish he would, he was such a great character (that was utterly destroyed). And yeah, really hoping for Legion of Superheroes, maybe we'll finally see Fortress Lad? :DNot quite sure, you mean like how Lord was portrayed in JLU as a scumbag?

Ah, Fortress Lad. I really wish Ben Jones won that argument but "The Substitutes" was still one my all time favorite episodes of Legion. "What? Do I owe you guys money or something?!" :sweat:


Oh yes, it is indeed! NOW I'm looking forward to the episode. I forgot West was voicing another character.Yeah, some of us assumed he was voicing Mr. Freeze or Mr. Zero because of the way Tucker phrased his hint at SDCC.


Is it John DiMaggio? It sounded like his Toyman from Superman/Doomsday or a subdued Joker from Under the Red Hood. But I'm also leaning towards thinking the teaser will be way better than the main story. GI Robot looked so awesome and the deadpan look Batman has when Rock presents him. And the action scene, where he bowled over those Nazi's and a tank made me laugh. After what they did, it's always refreshing to see a show not afraid to hurt lot's of Nazi's, even those these might be more of Per Degaton's storm troopers, it's obvious like on Justice League. The Inglourious Basterds was another example of that.

[ShadowStar]

Just posting quickly to say that previews for Plague of the Prototypes! have been released on "the site that cannot be named".

I find myself in the odd position of for once not looking forward to a BTBATB episode. It intrigues me, but there isn't really any major guest starts except for the Sergeant Rock teaser. And while I adore Black Mask's design his voice leaves a little to be desired, though the "mask voice" may be better when seen in full.

Hmm, could this be the weak episode that James Tucker or Michael Jelenic alluded to months ago? They said that there was an episode coming up that was of a poorer quality than the others in the pipeline. The reason I think it might be this one is because the guest star for the episode is a robot as opposed to an actual hero.

Then again, I shouldn't pass judgment. This could turn out to be a great episode, and besides, I find it doubtful that James Tucker or Michael Jelenic would condemn an Adam West episode.

[Callonme]

I think the episode looks pretty awesome! I'm sure Proto will have an emotional hook.

I love this Bat-centric direction. Makes me want Brave and the Bold to spin off into a pure Batman show and the JLI show that they've talked about.

[James Harvey]

The World’s Finest (http://www.worldsfinestonline.com/news.php/news.php?action=fullnews&id=886) has received new video clips, images and details for the upcoming new Batman: The Brave and The Bold episode "Plague of the Prototypes!" Click on the thumbnails below for more, including a schedule update.

http://www.worldsfinestonline.com/WF/bravebold/guides/reviews/47plague/t-06.jpg (http://www.worldsfinestonline.com/news.php/news.php?action=fullnews&id=886) The all-new Batman: The Brave and The Bold episode "Plague of the Prototypes!" is scheduled to air Friday, November 5th, 2010 at 7:00pm (ET) on Cartoon Network. Stay tuned for further updates.

Let's also remember to keep discussion on-topic, please.

[Toddman]

Yeah, I still think they mangled his character though. Dick was always meant to be a far cheerier, upbeat, optimistic person, especially as Nightwing since it helped him resolve many of his own problems. But in TNBA he's like Batman-lite...


I thought his the direction they took his character in TNBA was handled extremely well. If he had remained as cheerful and lighthearted as he was in BTAS, there would have been no development for his character. Obviously TNBA's take on Nightwing wasn't one that allowed Grayson to step out of Batman's shadow, but ironically led to him adopting many of Batman's darker nuances.

His unintentional mirroring of Wayne's bat-attitude (and reluctance to admit so) was perfectly illustrated in "Old Wounds". It also established that the TNBA series had already filled the role of wise-cracking sidekick with Tim Drake (not to mention Batgirl). An upbeat Nightwing would have been redundant.




... and the degeneration of his relationship with Bruce was one of the unforgiveable sins of the DCAU for me. I can handle having more cynical and depressing elements in my superheroes, whenever I write something its along that vein, but it is not something that Dick Grayson should ever become. Nightwing taking on some of Batman's traits really emphasized their pseudo father-son relationship, not to mention it gave the supporting cast a chance to offer up their own observations on the conflict between the two characters.

But I too would have liked to have seen the relationship fleshed out a little further. I thought the only real "unforgivable sin" committed was that there weren't more Nightwing episodes to explore that angle.

Toddman

[ShadowStar]

Any chance of screenshots for "The Criss Cross Conspiracy!" if Warner Bros. and Cartoon Network won't provide images/clips for it?

[M.O.D.O.K.]

Any chance of screenshots for "The Criss Cross Conspiracy!" if Warner Bros. and Cartoon Network won't provide images/clips for it?

Check on the review page at the WF sub-site. They usually put their own screenshots when WB doesn't provide them.

[matthewscott614]

The World’s Finest (http://www.worldsfinestonline.com/news.php/news.php?action=fullnews&id=886) has received new video clips, images and details for the upcoming new Batman: The Brave and The Bold episode "Plague of the Prototypes!" Click on the thumbnails below for more, including a schedule update.

http://www.worldsfinestonline.com/WF/bravebold/guides/reviews/47plague/t-06.jpg (http://www.worldsfinestonline.com/news.php/news.php?action=fullnews&id=886) The all-new Batman: The Brave and The Bold episode "Plague of the Prototypes!" is scheduled to air Friday, November 5th, 2010 at 7:00pm (ET) on Cartoon Network. Stay tuned for further updates.

Let's also remember to keep discussion on-topic, please.

The SGT. Rock clip was awesome!
Looks like a nice episode.

[Road to Gotham]

I know it will never happen but I think it would cool if Batman and The Human
Target meet. With the Mark Valley the Live-Action actor doing the vocals for
Chance.

Gerry Conway wrote a good story back in the early 80's in DETECTIVE.
Alfred hires Chance to impersonate Bruce because Vicki Vale is closing in on
secret ID. Meanwhile Boss Rubert Throne hires Deadshot to kill Bruce.

I am a little leary of this upcoming Bat-Robot episode.
Hope there are a ton Bat-Villians around. I love to see SignalMan, Dr. No-Face,
and Monarc of Menace get their 1-2 minutes of fame.
At least we get to see Sgt Rock and GI Robot in teaser.

[adoptedBatpuppy]

The SGT. Rock clip was awesome!
Looks like a nice episode.

The Bat Robot reminds me of one of the episode's from The Batman series in the last clip.
Looks alright! I sure wish I had CN to watch the whole episode. :(

Can someone explain to me who Ma Murder is? Sounds like a silly villain from Batman Brave and the Bold...to me.
Whatever, Killer Moth said about Tim Drake in the current Red Robin comics storyline is so true!

[James Harvey]

Cartoon Network has released loglines for the three new Batman: The Brave and The Bold episodes slated to air on the network during November 2010. Click here (http://www.worldsfinestonline.com/news.php/news.php?action=fullnews&id=887) for more.

[ShadowStar]

:eek: :eek: That synopsis for "The Knights of Tomorrow!" is a shocker! It sounds like it's going to be very interesting. Should be quite the companion to "Chill of the Night!", as it's a fascinating way to approach Batman's legacy, and an interesting play on the roles of Dick Grayson and Damian in the comics.

I take it that Damian is Bruce's son in this episode, as opposed to Dick's. I know he is in the comics, but the wording of the synopsis is a bit ambiguous.

[Bat-Fan Beyond]

A glimpse into the future reveals Dick Grayson has assumed the Batman mantle after the Caped Crusader retired and fathered a son, Damian, with Catwoman. Despite his parents' wishes, Damian does not want to follow their legacy, but when Joker returns, he may have no choice!




Holy... ! :eek:

[M.O.D.O.K.]

Figures that I get to miss this episode.

[suss2it]

I take it that Damian is Bruce's son in this episode, as opposed to Dick's. I know he is in the comics, but the wording of the synopsis is a bit ambiguous.I don't think it is.

I think it's pretty clear that Damien is the son of Bruce & Catwoman.

[Harlequinn]

Um what?

Damien is OBVIOUSLY Talia and Bruce's son.

[suss2it]

Um what?

Damien is OBVIOUSLY Talia and Bruce's son.

In the comics that's true, but clearly not for Brave and The Bold

If you'd bother reading the summaries we're talking about, you'd know that.

[M.O.D.O.K.]

Um what?

Damien is OBVIOUSLY Talia and Bruce's son.

Not in this version, it isn't. And it wouldn't make sense in this show anyways.

[Livy1213]

Damn. I never thought I'd see Damian in animation but this looks like it will be a remarkably up-to-date adaption especially for Brave and the Bold. I would have preferred Terry... but I'm really interested to learn how this Damian will turn out. Changing his parentage to Catwoman seems like a really big change for him, I wonder how they're going to pull it off. His mom can't be Talia because Talia in this show is around Dick's age, I think.

Do we really need to use spoiler tags for official episode synopses?

[Yojimbo]

Can someone explain to me who Ma Murder is? Sounds like a silly villain from Batman Brave and the Bold...to me. Back in the early 80's, in the comics, Batman's recurring antagonist were the League of Assassins, Ra's' little fanclub. In one issue, the League thought this civilian stumbled upon some secret and contracted an assassin named Ma Murder to kill him. Batman defeated her, she went to prison, and drifted into the one appearance wonders of Batman's Rogues Gallery.

In "Menace of the Madniks!", Ma Murder got reinterpreted into one of the older generation mob bosses in the Gotham criminal underworld.


Holy... ! :eek:Ditto. :cool:


I don't think it is.

I think it's pretty clear that Damien is the son of Bruce & CatwomanI agree. It hearkens to Earth-2 when Batman and Catwoman were the parents of Huntress. But it totally reminded me of World's Finest # 215 (http://dc.wikia.com/wiki/World%27s_Finest_Vol_1_215) when Bruce Wayne, Jr. didn't want to follow in his father's legacy and Dick Grayson was the current Batman. Then the two bickered about who should be Batman and Bruce Wayne was allegedly murdered. I don't think they ever said who his mother was, fans thought it was either Selena Kyle or Talia Al Ghul.

But given the "Sidekicks Assemble!" episode, Talia appears to be paired with Grayson in terms of romantic banter.

Then one of those Crisis stories wiped that continuity out and I guess Damien is the new 'Bruce Wayne Jr.' All this talk reminds me of that Ibn character from Kingdom Come. Wonder if he was supposed to be a grown up version of Damien?

[the greenman]

The Freedom Fighters ep sounds kinda silly. I mean, why would you need patriotism to fight aliens from outerspace?

Anyway, looks like Knights is going to be great. Can't wait for that one.

[James Harvey]

Warner Home Video has released cover artwork and initial details for the just-announced Batman: The Brave and The Bold – Season One, Part Two 2011 DVD home video release. Click here (http://www.worldsfinestonline.com/WF/bravebold/guides/releases/s1v2/t-cover.jpg) on the thumbnail below for more.

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[Livy1213]

I agree. It hearkens to Earth-2 when Batman and Catwoman were the parents of Huntress. But it totally reminded me of World's Finest # 215 (http://dc.wikia.com/wiki/World%27s_Finest_Vol_1_215) when Bruce Wayne, Jr. didn't want to follow in his father's legacy and Dick Grayson was the current Batman. Then the two bickered about who should be Batman and Bruce Wayne was allegedly murdered. I don't think they ever said who his mother was, fans thought it was either Selena Kyle or Talia Al Ghul.

Then one of those Crisis stories wiped that continuity out and I guess Damien is the new 'Bruce Wayne Jr.' All this talk reminds me of that Ibn character from Kingdom Come. Wonder if he was supposed to be a grown up version of Damien?
Ah, I see so it's most likely an adaption of that story with Bruce Wayne Jr. renamed with the name of the modern son of Batman, Damian. He probably won't be the Damian we know now in the comic but a whole different character.

[Yojimbo]

Ah, I see so it's most likely an adaption of that story with Bruce Wayne Jr. renamed with the name of the modern son of Batman, Damian. He probably won't be the Damian we know now in the comic but a whole different character.Hmm, yeah. Could be. And I guess like with "Emperor Joker" and Superman being left out, in this episode Superman Jr. will be left out. James is putting out a lot of GOOD news today.


The Freedom Fighters ep sounds kinda silly. I mean, why would you need patriotism to fight aliens from outerspace?

Anyway, looks like Knights is going to be great. Can't wait for that one.Well, I'm pretty sure the Uncle Sam character is powered by America's willpower/patriotism. So when they go to the alien planet, Uncle Sam loses his powers from being so far away? So maybe Plastic Man thinks of some whacked out way of rejuvenating Sam's power.

EDIT: The DVD - Hurrah! Please for the love of all things, put in a special feature. I want to find a way to contact Warner Home Video and demand something.

[the greenman]

Hurrah! Please for the love of all things, put in a special feature. I want to find a way to contact Warner Home Video and demand something.

I agree. I have found the absolute cheapest feature would be dvd-rom stuff. But I can't possibly suggest that. I have always been fond of text commentary/trivia track. They would come in great on a series like this with so many many comic refers.

Can't wait for this one though.

Just noticed, upon second look. Looks like the episodes are either in production order or a typo. Fate of the Equinox was certainly the finale, but oh well.

[Callonme]

These episodes sound so crazy, what could the season finale possibly have in store?

[the greenman]

These episodes sound so crazy, what could the season finale possibly have in store?

Or better yet what could season three have in store? They say it's going to be even crazier than this season. I thought I was a hardcore comic book geek, but this show has put me in my place.

[Yojimbo]

These episodes sound so crazy, what could the season finale possibly have in store?Justice League International featuring Fire, Ice, Blue Beetle, Booster Gold, Guy Gardner, Martian Manhunter, and Aquaman. With Etrigan and a vampiric threat. Written by J.M. DeMatteis. Probably directed by either Michael Chang or Michael Goguen.

[Callonme]

Justice League International featuring Fire, Ice, Blue Beetle, Booster Gold, Guy Gardner, Martian Manhunter, and Aquaman. With Etrigan and a vampiric threat. Written by J.M. DeMatteis. Probably directed by either Michael Chang or Michael Goguen.

Yeah that is probably it. Perhaps "Darkseid Descending!" is not the first JLI episode?

J.M. DeMatteis was working on that episode in March, which is the right time for a late Season 2 or early Season 3 episode.

[Mister Intensity]

The Knights of the Future will probably turn out to be an imaginary story written by Alfred. :D

[Yojimbo]

Yeah that is probably it. Perhaps "Darkseid Descending!" is not the first JLI episode?

J.M. DeMatteis was working on that episode in March, which is the right time for a late Season 2 or early Season 3 episode.Mr. DeMatteis confirmed for me that his episode is not "Darkseid Descending!" and Ben Jones confirmed the 1st episode is in season 2 (I think those posts are somewhere in the last 2 pages). Going by process of elimination, the last episode and last to be revealed should be the JLI episode.

EDIT: Just had a thought. In the comics, Jr. was complacent because he had no tragedy like Bruce Wayne or Dick Grayson. But given the amount of death this back half of the season...anyone think they'll have this Joker kill Wayne and Kyle (maybe in a manner reminiscent of Thomas and Martha's death scenes), thus convincing Damian to take up the mantle. so in a way, the future is optimistic in that Batman will live on but bleak because Bruce Wayne is dead?

[M.O.D.O.K.]

What if the Freedom Fighters episode is a wacky Independence Day parody?

[Harlequinn]

If you'd bother reading the summaries we're talking about, you'd know that.

You don't need to be so rude, gosh.

[Livy1213]

Just had a thought. In the comics, Jr. was complacent because he had no tragedy like Bruce Wayne or Dick Grayson. But given the amount of death this back half of the season...anyone think they'll have this Joker kill Wayne and Kyle (maybe in a manner reminiscent of Thomas and Martha's death scenes, thus convincing Damian to take up the mantle. Thus, the future is good in that Batman will live on but bleak because Bruce Wayne is dead?
But if Dick is Batman why does Damian need to be?

[Yojimbo]

But if Dick is Batman why does Damian need to be?Whoops, phrased that wrong. I merely meant, take up their legacy and adopt a codename and costume. In this case, I'd wager Damian will become the new Robin.

[Dreyfus]

I'm guessing Damian will be Robin too. Sounds like they will be loosely referencing the silver age comics (http://media.comicvine.com/uploads/6/62015/1300505-batman131.cbr___page_1_super.jpg) in which Dick Grayson was shown as the future Batman, and Bruce Wayne Jr. was the future Robin. Only with his name changed to Damian instead. I'm pretty sure those stories featured the Joker (http://www.dccomics.com/media/product/1/4/14535_400x600.jpg) as well.

[Livy1213]

Why does he need to be Robin then? Batman I can understand but Robin... isn't all that essential. Batman was solo for sometime. If there has to be a Robin, why not someone who wants the job?

[Dreyfus]

Maybe we'll see him become Batman after Dick Grayson grows old, but I think he'll be shown as Robin at first because of all of the silver age stories entailed. Also, in regard to Catwoman, I always remembered Bruce Wayne Jr. as the son of Bruce and Selina Kyle because I remembered Grant Morrison referencing those old stories in his JLA: American Dreams. In it, Batman is captured and brainwashed, seeing a vision of the future where he and Selina Kyle had a child, Bruce Wayne Jr.. Although I think it was Tim Drake who became Batman. I'm hoping that this will be a combination of elements from those older stories and Morrison's recent work, and that it will include a Batman Beyond cameo, like in Batman #700.

[Yojimbo]

Why does he need to be Robin then? Batman I can understand but Robin... isn't all that essential. Batman was solo for sometime. If there has to be a Robin, why not someone who wants the job?Well, yeah, there could be other titles or maybe the staff made up a brand new one for this Damian. What do you think?

Robin. I'm not his biggest fan, neither. But...hmm, everyone hero needs a sidekick, a buddy, a wingman, and an anchor to give hope in a seemingly hopeless and unyielding war on crime. There must always been a balance, a master and their apprentice. Wait, wrong franchise.

[Livy1213]

Well, yeah, there could be other titles or maybe the staff made up a brand new one for this Damian. What do you think?

Robin. I'm not his biggest fan, neither. But...hmm, everyone hero needs a sidekick, a buddy, a wingman, and an anchor to give hope in a seemingly hopeless and unyielding war on crime. There must always been a balance, a master and their apprentice. Wait, wrong franchise.
I like Robin it's just that this story sounds like it has a lot of holes in it. Even if the title isn't Robin, I can't see what would be so important for Damian to be pushed towards it when he doesn't want to be a crimefighter, which is completely understandable. I'm afraid it might make Bruce look like more of a jerk than usual. But this is the Brave and the Bold we're talking about, they seem to be able to justify things better than the comics ever did.

[Yojimbo]

I like Robin it's just that this story sounds like it has a lot of holes in it. Even if the title isn't Robin, I can't see what would be so important for Damian to be pushed towards it when he doesn't want to be a crimefighter, which is completely understandable. I'm afraid it might make Bruce look like more of a jerk than usual. But this is the Brave and the Bold we're talking about, they seem to be able to justify things better than the comics ever did.I'll say it again, but I'm starting to think this Joker, if he's the original or another, will kill Bruce Wayne and Selina Kyle-Wayne thus fueling Damian's desire for vengeance and justice just as Bruce Wayne's was when Joe Chill gunned down Thomas and Martha Wayne. I don't think Bruce is going to force Damian into it.

[Livy1213]

Wow, that sounds positively depressing. Our Batman murdered? I don't know if I like that option any better. I guess we'll see.

Maybe Damian has to take up being Robin or whatever to save his parents from the Joker. That sounds far more kid friendly.

[Yojimbo]

Wow, that sounds positively depressing. Our Batman murdered? I don't know if I like that option any better. I guess we'll see.

Maybe Damian has to take up being Robin or whatever to save his parents from the Joker. That sounds far more kid friendly. I understand completely. I was going off that question someone asked Ben Jones. It was something to the degree of will this Batman's future be better than the one in Batman Beyond and Jones' answer was "yes and no". Seeing the synopsis, I interpreted that as "yes" because Batman lives on in Dick Grayson and Damian Wayne with the latter being what Bruce Wayne and Selina Kyle wanted all along and thus honoring their desire in way and "no" in that they have to die in order to do so. It's just a theory, it sounds depressing but it doesn't seem like we're going to bounce back to a 100% light-hearted show until "Bat-Mite Presents: Batman's Strangest Cases!" December to next year-ish.

Or that. :)

[Dreyfus]

The Knights of the Future will probably turn out to be an imaginary story written by Alfred. :D

That would make sense, but then again we haven't really seen much of Alfred in the show so far.

Here's another possible motivation. In one of the old World's Finest comics (http://images2.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20080307142418/marvel_dc/images/1/11/Worlds_finest_vol01_228_pg04.jpg), Bruce Wayne was thought to have been murdered, leading both Bruce Wayne Jr. and Dick Grayson to want to take up his mantle. Later it was revealed that Bruce had actually survived.

[the greenman]

It's still early enough to request both cuts or a deleted scene for Matches Malone. Right now that should supersede any spec feature for fans.

[suss2it]

It's still early enough to request both cuts or a deleted scene for Matches Malone. Right now that should supersede any spec feature for fans.I really hope that happens but Ben Jones is betting against that.

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[KillerMoth]

Not quite sure, you mean like how Lord was portrayed in JLU as a scumbag?

Lord was in Unlimited?

No, I mean how a character who was shown time and time again in JLI as a good, well-meaning man, even if an utter jerk and more morally loose than DC heroes, became the villain of Infinite Crisis, which even by the writer's admission made no sense.


Ah, Fortress Lad. I really wish Ben Jones won that argument but "The Substitutes" was still one my all time favorite episodes of Legion. "What? Do I owe you guys money or something?!" http://www.toonzone.net/forums/images/smilies/sweat.gif

I loved that ep so much. But yes, the "inherent awesomeness" of Fortress Lad must be seen.

His mom can't be Talia because Talia in this show is around Dick's age, I think.

I'm pretty sure Talia is nearly Bruce's age still, it's just that Dick had a crush on her, which happens a lot in this series actually.

Mr. DeMatteis confirmed for me that his episode is not "Darkseid Descending!" and Ben Jones confirmed the 1st episode is in season 2 (I think those posts are somewhere in the last 2 pages). Going by process of elimination, the last episode and last to be revealed should be the JLI episode.

Isn't it possible though that the first JLI episode was not written by DeMatteis? If they all are, I'm hoping for Barda and Mr Miracle in Darkseid Descending!, though I fear for the Marvel family then.

I'm afraid it might make Bruce look like more of a jerk than usual. But this is the Brave and the Bold we're talking about, they seem to be able to justify things better than the comics ever did.
Perhaps Damian isn't being pushed towards it, but just is acting quite petty and selfish and Bruce thinks he could push those negative attributes into something more positive?

I'll say it again, but I'm starting to think this Joker, if he's the original or another, will kill Bruce Wayne and Selina Kyle-Wayne thus fueling Damian's desire for vengeance and justice just as Bruce Wayne's was when Joe Chill gunned down Thomas and Martha Wayne. I don't think Bruce is going to force Damian into it.
I'll be incredibly annoyed if that happens, and highly doubt it will. The titular character is Batman, and though it has its moments the BTBATB show is still optimistic. Plus its too weird to have the main character die in the future and then have future episode with them, that future will always be hanging over his head.

No, I think that won't happen, but they may be threatened. I think the Joker here will follow the "Golden Age-Silver Age-Bronze/Modern Age" pattern (because no one wants to see the Dark Age) and have the Joker be more chillingly menacing in the future.


Maybe Damian has to take up being Robin or whatever to save his parents from the Joker. That sounds far more kid friendly.
Ah, ninja'd on my idea :p

I understand completely. I was going off that question someone asked Ben Jones. It was something to the degree of will this Batman's future be better than the one in Batman Beyond and Jones' answer was "yes and no".
I think the "no" means Bruce is no longer Batman and Joker is certainly much more threatening now, I just can't see Bruce dying and still making sense as a good story.

Oh, also: HOLY HECK! Damian! Wow, didn't expect him to show up, or Dick as Batman, but then this makes sense since the show already progressed from the Golden Age to the Silver Age, and contains many Bronze Age elements, so the next logical step is the Modern Age. Hoping other characters show up as well, like Babs. Though I'm not Damian's biggest fan I only hate him when he's Grant Morrison's personal Gary Stu.

And I love that for once Bruce gets a pretty happy ending, I'll finally get to see him end up with Selina and have a family, which is great. And we get Selina again! Hurrah!

[Yojimbo]

Lord was in Unlimited?Yes, in "Ultimatum." A slick and greedy businessman who becomes a minor player in Project Cadmus. He oversees the Ultimen and is their Public Relations representative. Batman doesn't care for him too much. But he does show remorse towards the Ultimen after being nearly drowned. Oddly after that, the Lord Havok character shows up in the final season.


No, I mean how a character who was shown time and time again in JLI as a good, well-meaning man, even if an utter jerk and more morally loose than DC heroes, became the villain of Infinite Crisis, which even by the writer's admission made no sense.I wouldn't mind seeing the good, well-meaning version.


I'm pretty sure Talia is nearly Bruce's age still, it's just that Dick had a crush on her, which happens a lot in this series actually.True. It was to tough to tell, for me, because it's possible she's already using the Lazarus Pit.


Isn't it possible though that the first JLI episode was not written by DeMatteis? If they all are, I'm hoping for Barda and Mr Miracle in Darkseid Descending!, though I fear for the Marvel family then.Yeah, it's possible. A pageantry of New Gods, even the ones who haven't appeared in animation yet, would be keen.


Perhaps Damian isn't being pushed towards it, but just is acting quite petty and selfish and Bruce thinks he could push those negative attributes into something more positive?

I'll be incredibly annoyed if that happens, and highly doubt it will. The titular character is Batman, and though it has its moments the BTBATB show is still optimistic. Plus its too weird to have the main character die in the future and then have future episode with them, that future will always be hanging over his head.

No, I think that won't happen, but they may be threatened. I think the Joker here will follow the "Golden Age-Silver Age-Bronze/Modern Age" pattern (because no one wants to see the Dark Age) and have the Joker be more chillingly menacing in the future.

Ah, ninja'd on my idea :p

I think the "no" means Bruce is no longer Batman and Joker is certainly much more threatening now, I just can't see Bruce dying and still making sense as a good story.

Oh, also: HOLY HECK! Damian! Wow, didn't expect him to show up, or Dick as Batman, but then this makes sense since the show already progressed from the Golden Age to the Silver Age, and contains many Bronze Age elements, so the next logical step is the Modern Age. Hoping other characters show up as well, like Babs. Though I'm not Damian's biggest fan I only hate him when he's Grant Morrison's personal Gary Stu.

And I love that for once Bruce gets a pretty happy ending, I'll finally get to see him end up with Selina and have a family, which is great. And we get Selina again! Hurrah!Ok, point taken! :cool: I had a feeling that theory would be like pushing that red button in the Batmobile.

[KillerMoth]

Yes, in "Ultimatum." A slick and greedy businessman who becomes a minor player in Project Cadmus. He oversees the Ultimen and is their Public Relations representative. Batman doesn't care for him too much. But he does show remorse towards the Ultimen after being nearly drowned. Oddly after that, the Lord Havok character shows up in the final season.

Ah I see. I liked the character, and the episode, but he was pretty much "Max Lord in name only".


I wouldn't mind seeing the good, well-meaning version.

Definitely, have you read much of him? I think he'd work great for BTBATB, since it has a real knack for witty, sly dialogue and jerk-with-a-heart-of-gold characters like Guy Gardner.


True. It was to tough to tell, for me, because it's possible she's already using the Lazarus Pit.

Ah, good point. I should've said her body looks around Bruce's age. I must say that while the more villainous Talia was unexpected, I really loved her in that ep and hope she returns. Much better than having next to no personality like she was sometimes in BTAS, not that I don't like that version either of course.


Yeah, it's possible. A pageantry of New Gods, even the ones who haven't appeared in animation yet, would be keen.

Yeah, there's a God of hunting that was very cool, but I can't for the life of me remember his name. Either way, Darkseid makes for great BTBATB material, since the original Kirby version loved evil in all its forms, even crashing a wedding and proclaiming it a victory.


Ok, point taken! :cool: I had a feeling that theory would be like pushing that red button in the Batmobile.
Ah, sorry, I honestly didn't mean to come off sounding so rude and condescending, so I sincerely apologise. I just meant to state that I don't feel like that idea would work in the context of BTBATB's world :o

[Yojimbo]

Definitely, have you read much of him? I think he'd work great for BTBATB, since it has a real knack for witty, sly dialogue and jerk-with-a-heart-of-gold characters like Guy Gardner.No, I haven't. Officially on the to-do-list-if-I ever-remember-to-look-at-the-to-do-list. :D


Yeah, there's a God of hunting that was very cool, but I can't for the life of me remember his name. Either way, Darkseid makes for great BTBATB material, since the original Kirby version loved evil in all its forms, even crashing a wedding and proclaiming it a victory.Devilance?


Ah, sorry, I honestly didn't mean to come off sounding so rude and condescending, so I sincerely apologise. I just meant to state that I don't feel like that idea would work in the context of BTBATB's world :oNone taken. "Chill of the Night!" and "The Last Patrol!" changed my perception of what can work on Earth-23. But yeah, after what you and Livy said, it would be too extreme even for this staff to kill off a future Bruce Wayne even though they've been okay with killing the present Batman repeatedly in the presence of magic.

[the greenman]

There's also the home theatre chat next year. Which will probably be about six months or so before the release of season two part two.

[KillerMoth]

No, I haven't. Officially on the to-do-list-if-I ever-remember-to-look-at-the-to-do-list. :D

The JLI run is definitely worth checking out. There's barely any action, and even DeMatteis in all his awesomeness reacted with shock when told there was some in there "There was action in it? I hope I managed to cover it up with word balloons!". A wonderful series with very little grimdark and great team dynamics.


Devilance?

Ah, yes! That's the one thanks, I recall him from 52 and the Blue Beetle series.


None taken. "Chill of the Night!" and "The Last Patrol!" changed my perception of what can work on Earth-23. But yeah, after what you and Livy said, it would be too extreme even for this staff to kill off a future Bruce Wayne even though they've been okay with killing the present Batman repeatedly in the presence of magic.
Oh definitely, and I'm not opposed to the idea, just in this series. I actually wanted to have Batman Beyond, or Epilogue to do it, and have Terry without Bruce around anymore, it would've been nice to see what the DCAU would've been like without him anymore, without the Batpraise of course.

That said, I find myself more interested in how the Joker will be done for some reason. He'll obviously look older, perhaps even more modern, and I'm curious if someone will die, and it will be him perhaps.

[Yojimbo]

The JLI run is definitely worth checking out. There's barely any action, and even DeMatteis in all his awesomeness reacted with shock when told there was some in there "There was action in it? I hope I managed to cover it up with word balloons!". A wonderful series with very little grimdark and great team dynamics.lmao. :sweat:


Ah, yes! That's the one thanks, I recall him from 52 and the Blue Beetle series.Welcome. Always wondered if he got killed in Forever People #11 or not.


Oh definitely, and I'm not opposed to the idea, just in this series. I actually wanted to have Batman Beyond, or Epilogue to do it, and have Terry without Bruce around anymore, it would've been nice to see what the DCAU would've been like without him anymore, without the Batpraise of course.We do several times, just not in the 21st century. ;) I forget what my post was like here but "Epilogue" was an interesting one. At first, I had a hard time digesting things much less Bruce was still alive in the 2060's. But after awhile and more views it sunk in that he had to still be alive. You just don't kill off Bruce Wayne. :shrug:


That said, I find myself more interested in how the Joker will be done for some reason. He'll obviously look older, perhaps even more modern, and I'm curious if someone will die, and it will be him perhaps.Hmm, yeah, as long as it wasn't suspended animation from floating around in an iceberg or robot. :p

[ShadowStar]

I hope the Phantom Stranger appears in "The Knights of Tomorrow!". That way having this glimpse into the future would feel less sudden.

[the greenman]

I hope the Phantom Stranger appears in "The Knights of Tomorrow!". That way having this glimpse into the future would feel less sudden.

Yeah, I have to wonder if we even get a teaser. If so, who might appear.

[Mister Intensity]

I'm guessing Damian will be Robin too. Sounds like they will be loosely referencing the silver age comics (http://media.comicvine.com/uploads/6/62015/1300505-batman131.cbr___page_1_super.jpg) in which Dick Grayson was shown as the future Batman, and Bruce Wayne Jr. was the future Robin. Only with his name changed to Damian instead. I'm pretty sure those stories featured the Joker (http://www.dccomics.com/media/product/1/4/14535_400x600.jpg) as well.

They did feature an elderly Joker. In the Silver Age stories Kathy Kane, Batwoman, was the mother of Bruce Wayne Jr. since she was the main love interest at the time they were written.

[Yojimbo]

A few Ben Joneisms, today.


Hello, Ben. Something I've always wondered: Is Talia al Ghul in "Brave and the Bold" around the age of Batman or Robin? (http://www.formspring.me/IdiotStyle/q/1486510078)

Probably around Batman's age - definitely older than Robin. That's just me guessing though.

Of course, with the Lazarus Pit, she could be older than both of them put together.Link: Formspring Reply (http://www.formspring.me/IdiotStyle/q/1486510078)


Is there a particular reason why Captain Marvel was saved for season 2? I would've thought he was higher on the list of guest stars that you all wanted to use. (http://www.formspring.me/IdiotStyle/q/1483845999)
(http://www.formspring.me/IdiotStyle/q/1483845999)
DC wouldn't let us use him in Season 1.Link: Formspring Reply (http://www.formspring.me/IdiotStyle/q/1483845999)


Was the ending of the Enemy Ace teaser from "Aquaman's Outrageous Adventure!" meant to imply a future meeting or was it just an ambiguous ending? (http://www.formspring.me/IdiotStyle/q/1486420108)
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Well, any thing's possible. I guess that's a pretty ambiguous answer, so option 2.Link: Formspring Reply (http://www.formspring.me/IdiotStyle/q/1486420108)



Do you think Batman (from BATB) was Robin before he became Batman? I assume he did since he seems to share a lot of stuff with 50's pre-crisis Batman. (http://www.formspring.me/IdiotStyle/q/1486660015)

That's a good question that I can't answer at this time.Link: Formspring Reply (http://www.formspring.me/IdiotStyle/q/1486660015)


Will we ever see Green Arrow and Black Canary as a couple again? (http://www.formspring.me/IdiotStyle/q/1487175718)

You never know with those two - they've always had a tempestuous relationship.Link: Formspring Reply (http://www.formspring.me/IdiotStyle/q/1487175718)


Just watched the Black Orchid teaser, and I have a small question, as I'm not familiar with the character. Can she magically change shape? Ot did she just beat up one of Ivy's henchgirls and take her outfit and spear? (http://www.formspring.me/IdiotStyle/q/1486383906)

Black Orchid is a master of disguise, but not a shapechanger. She might even have infiltrated Ivy's gang weeks before the adventure shown in the teaser.Link: Formspring Reply (http://www.formspring.me/IdiotStyle/q/1486383906)


I'm sorry if it's been asked before, but I had heard at comic-con, someone mentioned that Wonder Woman would appear in an episode alongside Superman. Is this the case, or will she be in a stand-alone teamup with Batman? (http://www.formspring.me/IdiotStyle/q/1487163658)
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Both - she will be in a teamup with Batman in at least one episode, and a teamup with both Batman and Superman in at least one other episode.Link: Formspring Reply (http://www.formspring.me/IdiotStyle/q/1487163658)


Will the Mad Hatter appear in a speaking role in Batman: The Brave and the Bold? He's one of my favourite Batman villains, and it's bad enough that The Batman didn't use him. (http://www.formspring.me/IdiotStyle/q/1486647465)
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He was up for a speaking part in one episode of Season 3, but we used the Weeper instead.Link: Formspring Reply (http://www.formspring.me/IdiotStyle/q/1486647465)

That's a bummer in regard to Mad Hatter but hopefully they still used him for something else.

[M.O.D.O.K.]

Yay! I was the one who asked the Talia and Green Arrow/Black Canary questions. Though I'm confused whether he meant the comic book versions of the couple or in the show.

[Mad Hatter]

a few ben joneisms, today.

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that's a bummer in regard to mad hatter but hopefully they still used him for something else.

nooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo!!!!!

[suss2it]

Yay! I was the one who asked the Talia and Green Arrow/Black Canary questions. Though I'm confused whether he meant the comic book versions of the couple or in the show.

I think he's talking about the comics version. I haven't seen much of season 2 of Brave and the Bold (mostly because Canada is only now gonna start on them this Friday) but from what I know the two haven't featured together all that much.

[Yojimbo]

I think the only time they've been together post "Mayhem of the Music Meister!", going by production order, was in "The Power of Shazam!" and "The Siege of Starro!" two parter but they were both under the influence of a complex alien replication. Of course, there is one scene in an upcoming episode when Black Canary takes offense to something a comrade says about Green Arrow. I don't buy the idea of a break up episode in season 3 since they've hardly addressed the relationship.

[M.O.D.O.K.]

If anything, I want to see a wedding episode with Bats as the best man.

I know, way too soon. But still.

[ShadowStar]

I think the only time they've been together post "Mayhem of the Music Meister!", going by production order, was in "The Power of Shazam!" and "The Siege of Starro!" two parter but they were both under the influence of a complex alien replication. Of course, there is one scene in an upcoming episode when Black Canary takes offense to something a comrade says about Green Arrow. I don't buy the idea of a break up episode in season 3 since they've hardly addressed the relationship.

Ben Jones said a few weeks ago on Formspring that the relationship between Black Canary and Green Arrow would be touched on again "briefly". So maybe just in a teaser... or perhaps he was alluding to that bit from "The Mask of Matches Malone!" that you mentioned?

I asked the questions about Captain Marvel and the Mad Hatter. Very disappointed that the Mad Hatter won't be appearing. :( Why is it that both The Batman and BATB have short-changed him?

[Rick Hodge]

Justice League International featuring Fire, Ice, Blue Beetle, Booster Gold, Guy Gardner, Martian Manhunter, and Aquaman. With Etrigan and a vampiric threat. Written by J.M. DeMatteis. Probably directed by either Michael Chang or Michael Goguen.

I don't suppose this episode could possibly involve one of the oldest Batman villains ever, the Monk, could it?

Also, any idea if we'll ever see the Creeper on the show sometime? Also wouldn't mind seeing the Peacemaker, Bulletman, or Spy Smasher also.

[Callonme]

This show has covered so much ground, but there are still characters I'd love to see make an appearance. Here are only the heroes for now:

The Creeper
Supergirl
Mr. Terrific
Legion of Superheroes
Orion
Blackhawks
Animal Man
Azrael
Teen Titans
Resurrection Man
Static
Steel
Vibe
Gypsy
Power Girl
Blue Devil
Aztek
Atomic Knights
Starman (Ted Knight)
Stargirl & S.T.R.I.P.E.
Captain Atom

More of:
Mr. Miracle
Big Barda
The Question
Challengers of the Unknown
Elongated Man
Hawk & Dove
JSA
Zatanna

What have you guys got in mind?

[Bat-Fan Beyond]

Very disappointed that the Mad Hatter won't be appearing. :( Why is it that both The Batman and BATB have short-changed him?

I can't say that I care since Hatter, along with The Penguin, are two of my least favorite Batman villains -- But I hope the answer to your question isn't that there is an embargo on the character because he's set to be the secret villain in Nolan's third Batman movie. That would just be lame considering how many other great vilains he could use.



Also, any idea if we'll ever see the Creeper on the show sometime?

The Creeper seems like an obvious choice to have on this show. His wackiness would fit the tone perfectly!

[M.O.D.O.K.]

Ben Jones said a few weeks ago on Formspring that the relationship between Black Canary and Green Arrow would be touched on again "briefly". So maybe just in a teaser... or perhaps he was alluding to that bit from "The Mask of Matches Malone!" that you mentioned?

If that's true, that would be...extremely disappointing. I'm usually not a big fan of romance in a superhero show, but they made such a big deal of this at the end of the Music Meister episode, I was looking forward to more. Plus, a wedding episode would totally fit the tone of the show...with supehero guests...and Batman as the best man...and everyone wearing their costumes instead of suits. *sigh*:(



The Creeper
Supergirl
Mr. Terrific
Legion of Superheroes
Orion
Blackhawks
Animal Man
Azrael
Teen Titans
Resurrection Man
Static
Steel
Vibe
Gypsy
Power Girl
Blue Devil
Aztek
Atomic Knights
Starman (Ted Knight)
Stargirl & S.T.R.I.P.E.
Captain Atom

What have you guys got in mind?

There's a disturbing lack of Ambush Bug in your list.

But yeah, Captain Atom and Creeper would be nice.

[suss2it]

If that's true, that would be...extremely disappointing. I'm usually not a big fan of romance in a superhero show, but they made such a big deal of this at the end of the Music Meister episode, I was looking forward to more. Plus, a wedding episode would totally fit the tone of the show...with supehero guests...and Batman as the best man...and everyone wearing their costumes instead of suits. *sigh*:(Or wearing suits over their costumes.

[ShadowStar]

I'm usually not a big fan of romance in a superhero show, but they made such a big deal of this at the end of the Music Meister episode, I was looking forward to more.

Same. It would be a travesty if they didn't follow up on one of the greatest aspects of what is currently the show's best episode (IMO, though I haven't seen the ones that haven't aired in the UK yet, aside from part 2 of "The Siege of Starro!").

EDIT - Episode 52 is apparently called "The Malicious Mr. Mind!".

http://www.toonzone.net/forums/showthread.php?t=39984

http://www.worldsfinestonline.com/news.php/news.php?action=fullnews&id=890

I guess this confirms that the Marvel Family and the Monster Society of Evil will be in the season finale, and that "Darkseid Descending!" is the first JLI episode (though not one of J.M. DeMatteis's ones).

[KillerMoth]

EDIT - Episode 52 is apparently called "The Malicious Mr. Mind!".

Yes! Yes! Oh my goodness yes! I'm so happy I've got tears forming in my eyes! Mr Mind is getting animated! :D I'm so happy!

[Yojimbo]

I don't suppose this episode could possibly involve one of the oldest Batman villains ever, the Monk, could it?It sure could!! Great idea, Rick Hodge.


EDIT - Episode 52 is apparently called "The Malicious Mr. Mind!".

I guess this confirms that the Marvel Family and the Monster Society of Evil will be in the season finale, and that "Darkseid Descending!" is the first JLI episode (though not one of J.M. DeMatteis's ones).Sweet! Anyone else notice a lot more alliteration in the back half episode titles? :cool:

Yeah, I guess DeMatteis wrote his 2 for season 3.

Ben Jones issues another cryptic tease today...

is batman still alive in "the knights of tomorrow"? (http://www.formspring.me/IdiotStyle/q/1491321465)

You'll have to watch it to find out... but the way things have been going this season, I wouldn't bet on anyone making it to the end credits in one piece.Link: Formspring Reply (http://www.formspring.me/IdiotStyle/q/1491321465)

[KillerMoth]

Sweet! Anyone else notice a lot more alliteration in the back half episode titles? :cool:

Hey, you're right! Neat touch actually, even if it will never bring back the "?" to The Criss-Cross Conspiracy! :crying:


Yeah, I guess DeMatteis wrote his 2 for season 3.

I'm so excited I re-read through JLI Volume 2 last night. Now I'm sad Rocket Red won't be appearing, I love his awful attempts at American lingo - "Hokey Smokes!"


Ben Jones issues another cryptic tease today...
Link: Formspring Reply (http://www.formspring.me/IdiotStyle/q/1491321465)
No! You're a terrible man Ben Jones, just terrible. Still hoping its a red herring, or the Joker that bites it.

[Yojimbo]

Hey, you're right! Neat touch actually, even if it will never bring back the "?" to The Criss-Cross Conspiracy! :crying:Aw. Yeah. Maybe the series finale will be called "The End?"


I'm so excited I re-read through JLI Volume 2 last night. Now I'm sad Rocket Red won't be appearing, I love his awful attempts at American lingo - "Hokey Smokes!" Sounds like how Geo-Force was portrayed in "Requiem for a Scarlet Speedster!" since both are Slavic, I think. Or maybe Markovia was just invaded by Russia in the comics.


No! You're a terrible man Ben Jones, just terrible. Still hoping its a red herring, or the Joker that bites it.Could be Joker. But I would have preferred a 'no comment' this time, lol.

[Radical]

Next to Darkseid/Black Mask's epic appearances, awesome that Mr.Mind makes an appearance in the series since he's one of my favorite Captain Marvel villains next to Dr.Sivana, Black Adam, Sabbac 1/2, Chain Lightning, Ibac, and Mr.Who which I hope to see them animated too, hehehe:eek::D.

[the greenman]

Next to Darkseid/Black Mask's epic appearances, awesome that Mr.Mind makes an appearance in the series since he's one of my favorite Captain Marvel villains next to Dr.Sivana, Black Adam, Sabbac 1/2, Chain Lightning, Ibac, and Mr.Who which I hope to see them animated too, hehehe:eek::D.

I dont expect capn nazi or arson fiend, but can't count out nameless/voiceless cameos.

[Dorko]

No! You're a terrible man Ben Jones, just terrible. Still hoping its a red herring, or the Joker that bites it.

The Joker would be the safest choice to kill off....but I point out that the in continuity (at least on Earth 2) child of Batman and Catwoman had her mother's death as the impetus for starting her career. Given the fairly vague description of the episode (at least the one I found on wikipedia), who knows?

Having said that, the next two episodes really have me geeking out. I love this show, I love The Freedom Fighters, I love possible future stories, and I love what is going on with Batman in the comics right now. There's nothing in the next two episodes that I find to be less than awesome sounding.

[Dreyfus]

Here's an article on the show.
http://www.bostonherald.com/entertainment/television/general/view/20101102latest_animated_batman_series_taps_humor_music/

[M.O.D.O.K.]

Here's an article on the show.
http://www.bostonherald.com/entertainment/television/general/view/20101102latest_animated_batman_series_taps_humor_music/

Thanks. Strange, though, that Vanessa Marshall is credited as singing, though.

[Dreyfus]

Sounds like Stargirl will be in the teaser this week. Not sure if the Freedom Fighters episode has already aired in other countries, but I'm pretty excited for it.


Strange, though, that Vanessa Marshall is credited as singing, though.
She must have helped out with the song.

[M.O.D.O.K.]

Sounds like Stargirl will be in the teaser this week. Not sure if the Freedom Fighters episode has already aired in other countries, but I'm pretty excited for it.

Where did you find this out? Where is it airing?

EDIT: Nevermind, it's from Cthulhu's Website.

[coreysturg]

I've gotta say, on the subject of The Tommorrow Knights, or whatever its called: I really don't think Batman will die at the end. I'm not positive any writer actually has the *ahem* "moxie" to kill off Bruce Wayne. Heck, DC itself couldn't even do it. I'd be really, really surprised (and possibly cry myself to sleep) if that's the route they went in this show. I'm wondering if we'll get any kind of Tim Drake or Jason Todd reference, or if they simply don't exist in this universe. I'm also wondering if Damian will be a creepy little sociopath like he is in the comics. I can't really see this version trying to cut off parts of people with Batarangs or calling Bruce "Father" like he raised him with an iron "Hammer of Justice" or spanked him with a Bo staff. Did I mention I'd weep if Batman dies? Weep, Ben Jones. WEEP!

[Yojimbo]

Hmm. Just imagine if we see a cameo of a Hall of Robin's with suits on display in the Batcave like with the Batmobiles in "The Siege of Starro! Part One".


Where did you find this out? Where is it airing?

EDIT: Nevermind, it's from Cthulhu's Website.Pretty clever to put Stargirl in a patriotic themed episode. Good to see the female superheroes are still getting in appearances. :cool:


Sounds like Stargirl will be in the teaser this week. Not sure if the Freedom Fighters episode has already aired in other countries, but I'm pretty excited for it.

She must have helped out with the song.I think it airs essentially the same time in Australia/New Zealand/Tasmania as we watch it in the US but with Daylight Savings ending today, who knows. Speaking of, for me, TBATB airs an hour later at 5 pm. :shrug:

[ShadowStar]

If Red Hood really is returning this season, maybe he's in the teaser for "The Knights of Tomorrow!" (to make the episode even more to do with the Batman mythos), and perhaps Kamandi is in the teaser for "Darkseid Descending!". Maybe Viking Prince is in a teaser too?

[Callonme]

http://www.collider.com/2009/08/03/collider-tells-you-what-to-expect-on-batman-brave-and-the-bold-season-2/

The article that first reported the return of the Red Hood had several things mixed up. First of all, it reported Sam Liu as a director on Brave/Bold when it should have been Michael Goguen (since they were both on the Public Enemies panel, it could have been easy to mix them up).

I believe the Red Hood comment made by Andrea Romano was actually referring to Under the Red Hood since it had been recently recorded (this was from Comic-Con 2009).

I think Viking Prince and Kamandi are the only outstanding characters that we don't know where to place.

[RoyalRubble]

I remember someone posted this link in the previous news & discussion thread, where summaries for B:TBATB are available on the CN Asia website.

http://www.cartoonnetworkasia.com/tv/schedule/index.php
(just select Pakistan in the country box)


The Knights of Tomorrow!: A glimpse into the future reveals Dick Grayson has assumed the Batman mantle after the Caped Crusader retired and fathered a son.

Sounds interesting. :D

Darkside Descending!: Batman assembles a new, motley Justice League to thwart a pending Earth invasion by Darkseid.

Yay for the Justice League!

The final two episodes are listed (but #51 is listed as "episode number 0051") but don't have summaries yet.

[ShadowStar]

http://www.collider.com/2009/08/03/collider-tells-you-what-to-expect-on-batman-brave-and-the-bold-season-2/

The article that first reported the return of the Red Hood had several things mixed up. First of all, it reported Sam Liu as a director on Brave/Bold when it should have been Michael Goguen (since they were both on the Public Enemies panel, it could have been easy to mix them up).

I believe the Red Hood comment made by Andrea Romano was actually referring to Under the Red Hood since it had been recently recorded (this was from Comic-Con 2009).

Oh, well if that's the case, then maybe the teaser hero for "The Knights of Tomorrow!" is someone like Tim Drake? But then, surely he would prominently feature in the main story for the same episode...

[Yojimbo]

Darkside Descending!: Batman assembles a new, motley Justice League to thwart a pending Earth invasion by Darkseid.

Yay for the Justice League!Awesome, thanks for checking up on new additions. Looks like another partial synopsis but it definitely confirms "Darkseid Descending!" is the first JLI episode, just not by J.M. DeMatteis, it seems. The 'Descending' part confused me but I realized it just means invasion of Earth as in 'descending on a target.' :sweat:

Still, makes you wonder what happened to the pre-existing Justice League like we saw in the "Sidekicks Assemble!" flashback. Were the defeated/captured by Darkseid, disbanded, or busy in Alpha Centauri?


http://www.collider.com/2009/08/03/collider-tells-you-what-to-expect-on-batman-brave-and-the-bold-season-2/

The article that first reported the return of the Red Hood had several things mixed up. First of all, it reported Sam Liu as a director on Brave/Bold when it should have been Michael Goguen (since they were both on the Public Enemies panel, it could have been easy to mix them up).

I believe the Red Hood comment made by Andrea Romano was actually referring to Under the Red Hood since it had been recently recorded (this was from Comic-Con 2009).

I think Viking Prince and Kamandi are the only outstanding characters that we don't know where to place.Well, in another interview with Tucker and Jelenic, they did mention the Multiverse would be explored again back on a Talk Geek Radio in February 2010 so besides "Bat-Mite Presents..." there could be another teaser with Red Hood and the Earth he corresponds to. So far we have 3 unknown teasers for "The Knights of Tomorrow!", "Darkseid Descending!" and "The Malicious Mr. Mind!" so it could still be Viking Prince, Red Hood, and Kamandi.


If Red Hood really is returning this season, maybe he's in the teaser for "The Knights of Tomorrow!" (to make the episode even more to do with the Batman mythos), and perhaps Kamandi is in the teaser for "Darkseid Descending!". Maybe Viking Prince is in a teaser too?Great ideas; an overall Bat Family theme and Kirby theme in those episodes!


Oh, well if that's the case, then maybe the teaser hero for "The Knights of Tomorrow!" is someone like Tim Drake? But then, surely he would prominently feature in the main story for the same episode...Hopefully. An animated Tim Drake has been in hibernation since what, 2004? I think his last appearance was "Future Shock" on Static Shock.

[the greenman]

Awesome, thanks for checking up on new additions. Looks like another partial synopsis but it definitely confirms "Darkseid Descending!" is the first JLI episode, just not by J.M. DeMatteis, it seems. The 'Descending' part confused me but I realized it just means invasion of Earth as in 'descending on a target.' :sweat:

Still, makes you wonder what happened to the pre-existing Justice League like we saw in the "Sidekicks Assemble!" flashback. Were the defeated/captured by Darkseid, disbanded, or busy in Alpha Centauri?

I've been wondering about this too. Considering as far as I know there's been no mention of a league existing other that appearance. Also whoever was or is in the team they did not have Flash and Aquaman seems preoccupied as king of the seas as usual. I think they disbanded over unknown reasons. Hopefully the WW and trinity episode will shed some light on what happened.



Well, in another interview with Tucker and Jelenic, they did mention the Multiverse would be explored again back on a Talk Geek Radio in February 2010 so besides "Bat-Mite Presents..." there could be another teaser with Red Hood and the Earth he corresponds to. So far we have 3 unknown teasers for "The Knights of Tomorrow!", "Darkseid Descending!" and "The Malicious Mr. Mind!" so it could still be Viking Prince, Red Hood, and Kamandi.


Seeing how we don't exactly know how Batman visits the future, it could be any of them in some form or another. It would be very cool if Darkseid took over earth in Kamandi's time.

[M.O.D.O.K.]

I've been wondering about this too. Considering as far as I know there's been no mention of a league existing other that appearance

Batman mentions "the League" in "Terror on Dinosaur Island!"



Seeing how we don't exactly know how Batman visits the future, it could be any of them in some form or another. It would be very cool if Darkseid took over earth in Kamandi's time.

Do we even know if Batman actually does travel to the future? For all we know, it could be a straight story taking place in the future, rather than Batman visiting.

[Yojimbo]

Also whoever was or is in the team they did not have Flash and Aquaman seems preoccupied as king of the seas as usual. I think they disbanded over unknown reasons. Hopefully the WW and trinity episode will shed some light on what happened. Wait. You mean in the 'present' time? Yeah, it'd be 11 members but still 11 pretty formidable members.

I'm not sure if they were fully disbanded since the Hall of Justice was still operational in the present. Seems more like a more loose regime like the Metro Tower era team on JLU's last season.


Batman mentions "the League" in "Terror on Dinosaur Island!"

In the "Sidekicks Assemble!", this is +10 years ago if you go by Robin's appearance versus his other two Robin designs and that the end of Batwoman from "The Criss Cross Conspiracy!" was 10 years ago, Plastic Man, which was neatly referenced in "Terror on Dinosaur Island!" during the Batplane ride as you mention, which would place Plas' origins farther back than we knew and that's when Batman vouches for his membership. >_<


Seeing how we don't exactly know how Batman visits the future, it could be any of them in some form or another. It would be very cool if Darkseid took over earth in Kamandi's time.Well, yeah, it could be either Booster Gold (who is appearing in the Darkseid episode) or Professor Nichols (who appeared in "The Last Bat on Earth!").

[ShadowStar]

I think the Kamandi teaser will be him coming to the present. It was strongly hinted at the end of "Last Bat on Earth!" that that would be the case, and I'll be very disappointed if that promise isn't lived up to (Kamandi would be too busy marvelling at everything to help Batman out against whatever threat they're facing, which would be pretty amusing).

[Aaron]

It was posted that ...
Darkside Descending!: Batman assembles a new, motley Justice League to thwart a pending Earth invasion by Darkseid.

Yay for the Justice League!



That makes me so friggin' happy.
Any chance to see that man do something, makes my day.
Any word on character design, or voice actor, yet?
I'm wondering, since this show is all about the Silver Age retro goodness. if they'll go with the SuperFriends look/sound.
Didn't he sport a cloak on that show too?

[Yojimbo]

Any word on character design, or voice actor, yet?
I'm wondering, since this show is all about the Silver Age retro goodness. if they'll go with the SuperFriends look/sound.

Didn't he sport a cloak on that show too?No and no, not yet. We'll probably know what he looks like before December 3rd, if CN remembers to send out promo material. :shrug:

I remember a cloak, too, but I think was that was some TV commercial tie-in to Toys R' Us or some fast food franchise.

[the greenman]

No and no, not yet. We'll probably know what he looks like before December 3rd, if CN remembers to send out promo material. :shrug:

I remember a cloak, too, but I think was that was some TV commercial tie-in to Toys R' Us or some fast food franchise.

Wow, I'm just remembering owning those Super Powers toy and the inferior Secret Wars ones. I only had a few characters but I know for certain I had a Parademon and maybe Firestorm. I just don't remember Darkseid's.

[ShadowStar]

Just resurrecting an old subject in light of some of the comments made about "The Plague of the Prototypes!" in that episode's talkback thread...

http://www.worldsfinestonline.com/WF/bravebold/backstage/interviews/wfjelenic02.php

Michael Jelenic: I can't talk too much about what else is coming up, but I will say that I think the second season only gets better from here on out. Except one episode... one episode is a little worse. I'm kidding. Well, not really.

I wonder... could he have been talking about "The Plague of the Prototypes!"?

[Aaron]

No and no, not yet. We'll probably know what he looks like before December 3rd, if CN remembers to send out promo material. :shrug:

I remember a cloak, too, but I think was that was some TV commercial tie-in to Toys R' Us or some fast food franchise.

I remember it being one of the toys for the Superfriends/Superpowers Team tie-in stuff.

I'm still looking for something animated or at least ONE instance in the comics where he had a cloak.

In the meantime check this. It's pretty great.
The work on the figures and the humor involved.
Enjoy.

http://www.itsalltrue.net/?p=4160

Then of course this classic toy commercial

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=isdqk3lQuO8

Apparently the original Darkseid illustrations from Kirby featured a cape. From what I can gather from some quick research.
Also, a few other artists have gone the cape-route.

(It's a listing for a TON of Fourth World characters, so you'll need to scroll a lil bit)

http://blog.newsarama.com/2010/10/01/agent-of-s-t-y-l-e-the-fashion-of-jack-kirbys-fourth-world/
(the image I'm referring to comes from "Death of the New Gods #1")

[RoyalRubble]

At first I was thinking that the Justice League versus Darkseid battle was that their fight actually happened in the flashback portion of "Sidekicks Assemble!", and this episode would only be a flashback. But since the upcoming episode is supposed to feature a newly-formed Justice League, my "theory" doesn't make much sense. :sweat:


I wonder... could he have been talking about "The Plague of the Prototypes!"?

I hope so. :p Judging by the info we have so far on the upcoming episodes I can't really imagine them being worse than "Plague of the Prototypes!"


That makes me so friggin' happy.
Any chance to see that man do something, makes my day.
Any word on character design, or voice actor, yet?
I'm wondering, since this show is all about the Silver Age retro goodness. if they'll go with the SuperFriends look/sound.
Didn't he sport a cloak on that show too?

I was thinking about the same thing. Maybe they can get Frank Welker to reprise his role from the Super Friends series?

[the greenman]

It would be interesting if they really did Superfriends like JLU did Legion of doom.

[ShadowStar]

http://www.cartoonnetworkasia.com/tv/schedule/index.php


I wonder if it's the edited or the uncut version of "The Mask of the Matches Malone!" that Pakistan's getting on the 20th of November...

[Aaron]

I was thinking about the same thing. Maybe they can get Frank Welker to reprise his role from the Super Friends series?

Merciful Minerva! That would rock my socks!
I LOVE Frank Welker! Any chance to get him behind a mic is a good thing in my book.

I gotta think though. I wonder who els they might cast. Because Welker would rock, and would make my day, but for some reason I sorta doubt they'd cast him.

[The Octopus]

Merciful Minerva! That would rock my socks!
I LOVE Frank Welker! Any chance to get him behind a mic is a good thing in my book.

I gotta think though. I wonder who els they might cast. Because Welker would rock, and would make my day, but for some reason I sorta doubt they'd cast him.

Keith David and Keith Szarabajka. Both have commanding, strong, and villanous voices.
Here's some of Szarabajka's voices (Venom and Trigon are the best to compare to a Darkseid voice). http://www.behindthevoiceactors.com/Keith-Szarabajka/

[RoyalRubble]

Merciful Minerva! That would rock my socks!
I LOVE Frank Welker! Any chance to get him behind a mic is a good thing in my book.

I gotta think though. I wonder who els they might cast. Because Welker would rock, and would make my day, but for some reason I sorta doubt they'd cast him.

Yeah, I kinda doubt they'd use him too, but then again Frank Welker will be on the show anyway voicing both Scooby-Doo and Fred Jones on the upcoming crossover, so who knows?


Keith David and Keith Szarabajka. Both have commanding, strong, and villanous voices.
Here's some of Szarabajka's voices (Venom and Trigon are the best to compare to a Darkseid voice). http://www.behindthevoiceactors.com/Keith-Szarabajka/

Good choices; didn't even think of Keith Szarabajka. Personally I'd like Keith David to voice Darkseid though.

That is, if they don't just go ahead and use Michael Ironside. :p
If Kalibak is involved too, I suppose we'll hear Michael Dorn again.

[James Harvey]

Cartoon Network has released preview images for the upcoming Batman: The Brave and The Bold episodes "Cry Freedom Fighters!" and "Knights of Tomorrow!" The World's Finest will have all the preview content up shortly, but until then below are three images from the forthcoming "Knights of Tomorrow!"

http://worldsfinestonline.com/WF/bravebold/media/gallery/t-kotpreviewimage1.jpg (http://worldsfinestonline.com/WF/bravebold/media/gallery/kotpreviewimage1.jpg) http://worldsfinestonline.com/WF/bravebold/media/gallery/t-kotpreviewimage2.jpg (http://worldsfinestonline.com/WF/bravebold/media/gallery/kotpreviewimage2.jpg) http://worldsfinestonline.com/WF/bravebold/media/gallery/t-kotpreviewimage3.jpg (http://worldsfinestonline.com/WF/bravebold/media/gallery/kotpreviewimage3.jpg)
Stay tuned for further updates.

[suss2it]

http://worldsfinestonline.com/WF/bravebold/media/gallery/kotpreviewimage3.jpg

Looks like they're using Tim Drake's Robin design for the 3rd time (well 2nd since this is coming before Young Justice) without actually using Tim Drake.

[M.O.D.O.K.]

Excellent!

Thank you very much for this treat, James! Appreciate it. Can't wait for the full previews.

[ShadowStar]

So that third picture is Dick Grayson as Batman and Damian Wayne as Robin fighting Solomon Grundy? Since Solomon Grundy is an immortal zombie, I suppose it works that he'd still be around in the future.

Or could it be a teaser in which Batman (Bruce Wayne) and Robin (Tim Drake) fight Solomon Grundy in the present?

Whatever the case, I'm excited for "The Knights of Tomorrow!". :D

EDIT - http://www.worldsfinestonline.com/WF/bravebold/guides/reviews/49knights/

OK, looks like the Question is the guest star in the teaser. Also, we get a look back at the debut of Robin (Dick Grayson) to set us up for his major role in the main story of the same episode.


Yeah, I kinda doubt they'd use him too, but then again Frank Welker will be on the show anyway voicing both Scooby-Doo and Fred Jones on the upcoming crossover, so who knows?

Don't want to burst your bubble but Scooby is meant to be the only member of the Mystery Inc. gang appearing in "Bat-Mite Presents: Batman's Strangest Cases!" (the penultimate episode of season 2). Of course, a full-on crossover involving the whole Mystery Inc. gang in season 3 is still a possibility.

[James Harvey]

The World’s Finest (http://www.worldsfinestonline.com/news.php?action=fullnews&id=896) has received new video clips, images and details for the all-new upcoming Batman: The Brave and The Bold episodes "Cry Freedom Fighters!" and "Knights of Tomorrow!" Click n the thumbnails below for a closer look at each episode.

http://www.worldsfinestonline.com/WF/bravebold/guides/reviews/48cryfreedom/t-06.jpg (http://www.worldsfinestonline.com/news.php/news.php?action=fullnews&id=896) http://www.worldsfinestonline.com/WF/bravebold/guides/reviews/49knights/t-03.jpg (http://www.worldsfinestonline.com/news.php/news.php?action=fullnews&id=896) Stay tuned for further Batman: The Brave and The Bold updates here at The World's Finest.

[Aaron]

Cartoon Network has released preview images for the upcoming Batman: The Brave and The Bold episodes "Cry Freedom Fighters!" and "Knights of Tomorrow!" The World's Finest will have all the preview content up shortly, but until then below are three images from the forthcoming "Knights of Tomorrow!"

http://worldsfinestonline.com/WF/bravebold/media/gallery/t-kotpreviewimage1.jpg (http://worldsfinestonline.com/WF/bravebold/media/gallery/kotpreviewimage1.jpg) http://worldsfinestonline.com/WF/bravebold/media/gallery/t-kotpreviewimage2.jpg (http://worldsfinestonline.com/WF/bravebold/media/gallery/kotpreviewimage2.jpg) http://worldsfinestonline.com/WF/bravebold/media/gallery/t-kotpreviewimage3.jpg (http://worldsfinestonline.com/WF/bravebold/media/gallery/kotpreviewimage3.jpg)
Stay tuned for further updates.


The World’s Finest (http://www.worldsfinestonline.com/news.php?action=fullnews&id=896) has received new video clips, images and details for the all-new upcoming Batman: The Brave and The Bold episodes "Cry Freedom Fighters!" and "Knights of Tomorrow!" Click n the thumbnails below for a closer look at each episode.

http://www.worldsfinestonline.com/WF/bravebold/guides/reviews/48cryfreedom/t-06.jpg (http://www.worldsfinestonline.com/news.php/news.php?action=fullnews&id=896) http://www.worldsfinestonline.com/WF/bravebold/guides/reviews/49knights/t-03.jpg (http://www.worldsfinestonline.com/news.php/news.php?action=fullnews&id=896) Stay tuned for further Batman: The Brave and The Bold updates here at The World's Finest.


Thanks so much for the info.
What a nice update. I can't wait to see these episodes.
It might be the ONLY time I don't absolutely hate Damien Wayne.

[Yojimbo]

Uncle Same, The Ray I, Black Condor I, Doll Man, Phantom Lady, and the Human Bomb look awesome and the action scenes were really fun to watch! OMG, those were Qwardians! Bet that led one in the image was perhaps Yokal the Atrocious. And Plastic Man, I thought he was married. ;)


OK, looks like the Question is the guest star in the teaser. Also, we get a look back at the debut of Robin (Dick Grayson) to set us up for his major role in the main story of the same episodeDOUBLE YES!!

Loved that clip. Were those super villains from the comics they punched out after Robin did his famous debut homage?

So looks like a Joker Junior after all. It was neat seeing all those Batmobiles, the Robot Dinosaur, the Wall of Weapons, and portraits of certain characters like Mr. Freeze and Kid Flash.


Don't want to burst your bubble but Scooby is meant to be the only member of the Mystery Inc. gang appearing in "Bat-Mite Presents: Batman's Strangest Cases!" (the penultimate episode of season 2). Of course, a full-on crossover involving the whole Mystery Inc. gang in season 3 is still a possibility.Yeah, that's been a confusing point. Some say it's just Scooby while Romano talked about working with the cast of Mystery Inc. for TBATB. It wasn't clear if they were doing their respective roles or Romano had the usual genius to cast them for roles of DC characters in season 3.

[Dreyfus]

The Joker doesn't look particularly older in that image. His facial features aren't the same, but he doesn't look as aged as I would have imagined. It must be a new version of the character, although I don't know of any other versions of the Joker. Also, I don't see why they would choose to only use Scooby Doo in Bat-Mite Presents. If they want to do an homage to the New Scooby Doo Movies episodes it would make more sense to include all of the characters.

Love the homage to Robin's first appearance.

[SSJBatman]

Wait...

They're doing a Dick!Batman and Damian!Robin episode?

I feel so happy I can't say. I love that duo more than anything right now especially, I'm a really big fan of them

I thought it wasn't true, but then I read the article.

Why did they give him Tim's costume? Meh, alright. But It would've been nice if Damian had his hood :)

AND I LOVE Original Costume Batman! I'm glad to have this episode...

When is it airing again? I can't wait for this.

Wait, they made him Selina's son? Weird. Looks like he's a mix of Helena Wayne Huntress too.

[Yojimbo]

The Joker doesn't look particularly older in that image. His facial features aren't the same, but he doesn't look as aged as I would have imagined. It must be a new version of the character, although I don't know of any other versions of the Joker. Also, I don't see why they would choose to only use Scooby Doo in Bat-Mite Presents. If they want to do an homage to the New Scooby Doo Movies episodes it would make more sense to include all of the characters.

Love the homage to Robin's first appearance.He's got age spots, bald, and is hooked up: here (http://www.worldsfinestonline.com/WF/bravebold/guides/reviews/49knights/07.jpg)

Wasn't there briefly a second Joker in the comics? Otherwise, those WF comics with Superman and Batman Jr. also had a Joker Jr., I think.


When is it airing again? I can't wait for this.Next week, the 19th. I can't wait!!

[SSJBatman]

THANK YOU SO MUCH YOJIMBO!!! :D

I was skeptical if we'd ever see this combo in animation at all, and this soon is a surprise. I'm a little sad that he's a mix of Huntress too and not his regular self, however, it's still the duo I love, and considering the basis of the show being very Silver-agey, the way they worked Damian in is great. I hope he's still semi-jerkish, but whatever, I'm just gonna take what I can get.

Who else thinks that Joker Jr is sort of based off recent depictions of the Joker, such as Heath Ledger's version? I sorta get that vibe from him.

[ShadowStar]

I still hope that the Phantom Stranger appears in "The Knights of Tomorrow!".

[KillerMoth]

Looks like they're using Tim Drake's Robin design for the 3rd time (well 2nd since this is coming before Young Justice) without actually using Tim Drake.
Eurgh, I'm getting sick of that myself. The only thing worse is the "melding all three Robins into one" thing.


OK, looks like the Question is the guest star in the teaser. Also, we get a look back at the debut of Robin (Dick Grayson) to set us up for his major role in the main story of the same episode.

Yay! Question! Looks like Tucker was telling the truth when he said he'd be having a small role in season 2.


Don't want to burst your bubble but Scooby is meant to be the only member of the Mystery Inc. gang appearing in "Bat-Mite Presents: Batman's Strangest Cases!" (the penultimate episode of season 2). Of course, a full-on crossover involving the whole Mystery Inc. gang in season 3 is still a possibility.
[/QUOTE]
Hang on, where did this information come from? I was under the impression it would be the whole gang?


Loved that clip. Were those super villains from the comics they punched out after Robin did his famous debut homage?

There's a possibility that the monocled one might be the original Deadshot as he first appeared in Detective Comics/Batman, but beyond that, not sure myself.


So looks like a Joker Junior after all. It was neat seeing all those Batmobiles, the Robot Dinosaur, the Wall of Weapons, and portraits of certain characters like Mr. Freeze and Kid Flash.

I didn't expect Joker Junior, but I like the direction and design, a cool darker version of his father, but I'm curious to see if he's really as bad. Of course, I'm still really hoping Bruce and Selina play significant roles, probably fighting the original at the same time.

Wait...
Wait, they made him Selina's son? Weird. Looks like he's a mix of Helena Wayne Huntress too.
Yeah, it seems more of a combination of the Batman's Son story in the Silver Age, the Earth 2 Catwoman marriage and Morrison's Damian Wayne.

I still hope that the Phantom Stranger appears in "The Knights of Tomorrow!".
I'm not sure if this will happen, but why exactly would you want him in there? Is it to serve as an introduction of Batman's future? Because if so I agree it'd be neat.

Looking forward to Cry Freedom Fighters tomorrow, I love the look of the team, though Doll Man cracked me up.

[ShadowStar]

The only thing worse is the "melding all three Robins into one" thing.


They sort of did that in Teen Titans but it worked out fine.


Hang on, where did this information come from? I was under the impression it would be the whole gang?

Didn't the article that revealed the breakdown of the three segments (including the fact that the Mad Magazine bit would be the teaser) mention that Scooby would be the only member of the gang in that segment?


Of course, I'm still really hoping Bruce and Selina play significant roles, probably fighting the original at the same time.

Or the episode could start with them having been "killed off" by the Joker so that Damian has some incentive to finally give into their wishes and follow in their footsteps (only for them to resurface at the end, alive)? I could see that happening.


I'm not sure if this will happen, but why exactly would you want him in there? Is it to serve as an introduction of Batman's future? Because if so I agree it'd be neat.

Yeah, that's why I want him to appear. Though from the first clip, it looks like the obligatory monologue about how things changed in between the present and future is narrated by someone else... by Alfred, I reckon.

[Mister Intensity]

How come I get the feeling that Joker Jr. is Jason Todd

[Robert McSantos]

He's got age spots, bald, and is hooked up: here (http://www.worldsfinestonline.com/WF/bravebold/guides/reviews/49knights/07.jpg)

Reminds me of the Earth-2 Joker from Justice Society of America Annual #1. That issue has my favorite Joker death of all time.

Hurts to laugh.

[Yojimbo]

There's a possibility that the monocled one might be the original Deadshot as he first appeared in Detective Comics/Batman, but beyond that, not sure myself.Could be but there's a few differences in costume. I'll look some more then give up and ask Ben Jones.


Reminds me of the Earth-2 Joker from Justice Society of America Annual #1. That issue has my favorite Joker death of all time.

Hurts to laugh.Good catch, that does look very similar!

[Dorko]

http://worldsfinestonline.com/WF/bravebold/media/gallery/kotpreviewimage3.jpg

Looks like they're using Tim Drake's Robin design for the 3rd time (well 2nd since this is coming before Young Justice) without actually using Tim Drake.

Well, Tim had the good fortune to be the first Robin ever consistently drawn with pants. His first costume has morphed into the default Robin costume for other media because of that. And while using his second costume for a character who already has a Robin costume in the comics is touch strange, I have to admit that Damian's comic costume is a little outside this show's typical design standard. Which is why it is being used as Dick's costume over in Young Justice (at least in the newest promo pictures from CN, his pants look black and not green, plus the cut of the red torso portion of his costume resembles Damian's). It would still be three times though, since they used a Tim costume for Jason Todd in "Under The Red Hood".

[Triant]

I wonder if it's the edited or the uncut version of "The Mask of the Matches Malone!" that Pakistan's getting on the 20th of November...


Speaking of which, where's the US's airing? Why is Pakistan (or other countries) getting it before the show's country of origin?

[Dorko]

Speaking of which, where's the US's airing? Why is Pakistan (or other countries) getting it before the show's country of origin?
I'd imagine its just how the network choose to air them. If CN America wants to hold back on episodes, it doesn't dictate the schedules of foreign affiliates/networks who paid for the rights to air the show.

[Triant]

I'd imagine its just how the network choose to air them. If CN America wants to hold back on episodes, it doesn't dictate the schedules of foreign affiliates/networks who paid for the rights to air the show.

But in a way, it's counter-productive. Because an episode of a show can air overseas, and once it does it can go online, where anyone can get it if they know where to look/go. (That's as far as I'm going with that statement. We have rules).

Then, when the episode does air State-side, people will think 'oh, I can skip it, since I've already seen it/been spoilered on it'. Then, CN doesn't think people are watching, then it gets canned.

I'd been thinking about this after the sudden/unannounced 3-month hiatus of CN-USA's Friday night block, where new episodes were airing everywhere else.

It does depend on time, though. If it airs somewhere earlier due to things like time zones, hey, it happens. But I'm talking about when there's weeks between when it airs overseas and when it airs in the US. (Avatar's Boiling Rock episodes, for example; those were out on DVD in the US before they were aired here).

That's not right, in any sense of the word.

[ShadowStar]

Speaking of which, where's the US's airing? Why is Pakistan (or other countries) getting it before the show's country of origin?

"The Mask of Matches Malone!" is being edited because Broadcast Standards and Practices insisted on the musical number being edited after the episode aired in Australia. So either the edited version will be ready for the 20th of Nov to air in Pakistan, or Pakistan gets the uncut version.

[Triant]

"The Mask of Matches Malone!" is being edited because Broadcast Standards and Practices insisted on the musical number being edited after the episode aired in Australia. So either the edited version will be ready for the 20th of Nov to air in Pakistan, or Pakistan gets the uncut version.

And it aired in Austrailia in late September. My question still stands about when it's coming to the US.

[Toddman]

But in a way, it's counter-productive. Because an episode of a show can air overseas, and once it does it can go online, where anyone can get it if they know where to look/go. (That's as far as I'm going with that statement. We have rules).

Then, when the episode does air State-side, people will think 'oh, I can skip it, since I've already seen it/been spoilered on it'. Then, CN doesn't think people are watching, then it gets canned.



The majority of viewers though are 6-11 year old boys, who I doubt are going out of their way to scour the internet in the hopes of finding new but previously-aired-overseas episodes.

The portion of the show's audience that you're describing is way too small to damage the ratings that much.


Toddman

[ShadowStar]

And it aired in Austrailia in late September. My question still stands about when it's coming to the US.

Well, if they had to have new animation done overseas to replace some of the existing footage, and they only started doing this in late September, then I would have thought that no-one would get the edited version until December. But who knows, maybe Pakistan is getting it this week.

[Livy1213]

How come they wanted to remove the musical portion?

[SSJBatman]

How come they wanted to remove the musical portion?
There's a lot of sexual innuendos.

Just please tell me the uncut one will be on DVD. If not, I'm going to cry.

[suss2it]

How come they wanted to remove the musical portion?

They're not removing the musical portion, they're editing the video so that there's less visual innuendo. The song itself will remain intact.

[SSJBatman]

I still want the uncut one on the DVD, no matter what. :C

I know they're going to definitely cut out Huntress' finger waggle then.

[suss2it]

I still want the uncut one on the DVD, no matter what. :CSame. Uncut>censored every time.

[Aaron]

Really Really sucks.
I hate the fact that they are censoring this show.
But do we know for certain it's the censored/re-edited version coming to the US? Australia is way more strict with their stuff than we are. So, just 'cause it's getting edited there, does it mean it will be here?

I really hope not. I can't stand that sort of thing.

[suss2it]

Really Really sucks.
I hate the fact that they are censoring this show.
But do we know for certain it's the censored/re-edited version coming to the US? Australia is way more strict with their stuff than we are. So, just 'cause it's getting edited there, does it mean it will be here?

I really hope not. I can't stand that sort of thing.
The censored version is coming to the US, that's the whole reason why it hasn't aired there yet.

[Yojimbo]

Gail Simone said only a few seconds of animation are being altered. I suspect it will something like when they sing about Aquaman, the animation will shift to the shark tank swallowing a fish whole. When the time comes, many us will no doubt do comparisons and post about it here in the forums.

[SSJBatman]

Gail Simone said only a few seconds of animation are being altered. I suspect it will something like when they sing about Aquaman, the animation will shift to the shark tank swallowing a fish whole. When the time comes, many us will no doubt do comparisons and post about it here in the forums.
Well that's not too bad, because that was the most obvious thing anyway.

But I still want the uncut one on DVD, because that fish part sounds like it's going to really look weird with the rest of it.

And just because I don't like censorship. :(

[KillerMoth]

Really Really sucks.
I hate the fact that they are censoring this show.
But do we know for certain it's the censored/re-edited version coming to the US? Australia is way more strict with their stuff than we are. So, just 'cause it's getting edited there, does it mean it will be here?

Is Aus really that strict? We already got the musical number unedited here and I managed to tape it. I was under the impression that the only reason the other eps had bits cut from them was because of time restrictions, since BTBATB usually airs at 10:30 here, I noticed every ep that was rescheduled to 9:30 or 11:30 had portions taken out.

[Yojimbo]

Is Aus really that strict? We already got the musical number unedited here and I managed to tape it. I was under the impression that the only reason the other eps had bits cut from them was because of time restrictions, since BTBATB usually airs at 10:30 here, I noticed every ep that was rescheduled to 9:30 or 11:30 had portions taken out.I think the story was that after the airing of "The Mask of Matches Malone!" in Australia and fans discussed the episode and said musical online, some concern was raised and the episode was pulled to the sidelines so a few seconds of animation could be redone.

It's not that big a deal. I think it's better that we see it out of order, because it plays on an element that we saw before in another recent episode, and fans would cry "Redundant!". ;)

[James Harvey]

The World's Finest (http://www.worldsfinestonline.com/news.php/news.php?action=fullnews&id=900) recently caught up again with James Tucker, Producer and Lead Character Designer for the acclaimed Batman: The Brave and The Bold animated series for an exclusive interview. In this exclusive interview, Tucker discusses the remaining second season episodes of Batman: The Brave and The Bold, what’s coming for the third and final season, thoughts on censorship, the video game, and much more. Click on the thumbnail below for more.

http://www.worldsfinestonline.com/WF/graphics/latestupdates/tuckermar10.jpg (http://www.worldsfinestonline.com/news.php/news.php?action=fullnews&id=900)

[ShadowStar]

Only one shot was altered? Sounds like the US should be getting "The Mask of Matches Malone!" in December, then.

[SSJBatman]

The new shot is just better across the board and I wish I had storyboarded it that way to begin with. When I think about the re-edit that had to be done on the first version of the Batman Beyond: Return of the Joker DTV based due to censorship, I don’t consider this a big deal. As far as if we’ll ever see the uncut version? Well, I have my copy.

http://www.worldsfinestonline.com/news.php/news.php?action=fullnews&id=900

Alright, fair enough. Though it still bothers me that it's edited in the first place.

Anyway, only 2 more days until we get to see Damian and Dick!Batman!!!

Who else here is excited as I am about that?

[Dorko]

http://www.worldsfinestonline.com/news.php/news.php?action=fullnews&id=900

Alright, fair enough. Though it still bothers me that it's edited in the first place.

Anyway, only 2 more days until we get to see Damian and Dick!Batman!!!

Who else here is excited as I am about that?

I know I am. Start the day with Batman, Inc. and Batman: The Return (get my comics via mail, takes two days to arrive) and end it with Dick and Damian making their animation debut as Batman and Robin. Boo. Yah.

As far the editing goes, I don't actually know what the musical number entailed and no one as yet knows exactly what got cut. Honestly, if my options are more leeway given for death or for innuendo, I'll pick the former. Drama over toilet humor.

[SSJBatman]

That's great! However, since they're only removing a finger waggle, I'm not sure that's really innuendo without the lyric to accompany it :P

[Yojimbo]

That's great! However, since they're only removing a finger waggle, I'm not sure that's really innuendo without the lyric to accompany it :PI've watched that scene over a few times, and I still don't see the problem. I think it was an over reaction. The only risque part that I saw had to do with Catwoman but I think it's more a tragedy that this episode airs after this Friday's episode. It's a nice foreshadowing of Catwoman and Batman's future relationship at least in an implied manner. I wonder if it'll seem so out of the blue to someone was hasn't seen "The Mask of Matches Malone!" first. Ramble, ramble. :sweat:

[SSJBatman]

I've watched that scene over a few times, and I still don't see the problem. I think it was an over reaction. The only risque part that I saw had to do with Catwoman but I think it's more a tragedy that this episode airs after this Friday's episode. It's a nice foreshadowing of Catwoman and Batman's future relationship at least in an implied manner. I wonder if it'll seem so out of the blue to someone was hasn't seen "The Mask of Matches Malone!" first. Ramble, ramble. :sweat:
Yeah. I still don't see the problem with it either. Most viewers under 10 Won't even get the small fish line and will take it literally. :/

[the greenman]

Well, we all know when people get truly offended, sometimes there's truth in that which one is offended by. Somebody got offended.

Anyways, I do hope to get this scene on dvd. Tucker's "I got my copy" quip is telling in a way. It's possible we may see the scene on dvd, but some vocalization may push it through. Remember the 4ep discs are geared to kids, but the collections for us older kids. Hit them up at the comic cons and speak up, we will get it.

[Yojimbo]

I'm not sure why this popped in my head just as I was about to log off but isn't the marriage of Batman and Catwoman an interesting nod to Batman: The Animated Series' "Perchance to Dream" for long time animation fans? In a strange sorta of way, in that universe Batman briefly was subjected to a fantasy where he married Selina Kyle and seemingly pushed her away in the future give or take what was said in JLU's "Epilogue" only to still have a son to take up the mantle and in another, its Batman does marry Selina Kyle for real and they have a son who ends up accepting the call to costume crimefighting. :eek: ...I need some sleep.

[klammed]

I'm not sure why this popped in my head just as I was about to log off but isn't the marriage of Batman and Catwoman an interesting nod to Batman: The Animated Series' "Perchance to Dream" for long time animation fans? In a strange sorta of way, in that universe Batman briefly was subjected to a fantasy where he married Selina Kyle and seemingly pushed her away in the future give or take what was said in JLU's "Epilogue" only to still have a son to take up the mantle and in another, its Batman does marry Selina Kyle for real and they have a son who ends up accepting the call to costume crimefighting. :eek: ...I need some sleep.

Or generally a nod to most Elseworlds I guess, apart from him and Wonder Woman, that's been the most popular OTP for the Batdom. 'The Joker Returns' kinda does seem like a very huge nod to ROTJ though, and perhaps #666 as well, or was it the SB annual recently where the alternate timeline Damian as Batman (because I don't want to think that is the true future of the main universe) saves Terry McGinnis as a baby? Personally, I'm really interested in seeing this Damian Wayne chap, and shows again how Batb is floating through all sorts of 'age' time streams. Haven't been too overawed by the series lately though, I gotta say, which is really kinda sad, but maybe it's because the Batman Beyond miniseries has given me a distaste for Batbots and I'm not American... hence that patriotic episode floating uncomfortably over my head.

But DAMIAN? Who would expect him to come up? Like, ever, in this universe. Nevermind that he's no longer a clone-son of Talia and Bruce. The producers surprise me again, even with just their plot summary. xD What will they do to him, make him the over angsty twerp he is in the comics? You can't, because he'll have a different backstory, surely, without the raging assassins he was brought up among. Where does Dick who looks like the Dick from the 70s-80s fit into all this, heck, where does THIS Catwoman and THIS Batman fit into all this? The characters may have started off self reflexively two dimensional, but they aren't going in that direction, as the series has shown us so far. Rar, I can't wait, and I'm gushing again. I'm always gushing over this series. Why am I always gushing over this series? Someone please tell me I'm not the only one.

[Dorko]

I'm not sure why this popped in my head just as I was about to log off but isn't the marriage of Batman and Catwoman an interesting nod to Batman: The Animated Series' "Perchance to Dream" for long time animation fans? In a strange sorta of way, in that universe Batman briefly was subjected to a fantasy where he married Selina Kyle and seemingly pushed her away in the future give or take what was said in JLU's "Epilogue" only to still have a son to take up the mantle and in another, its Batman does marry Selina Kyle for real and they have a son who ends up accepting the call to costume crimefighting. :eek: ...I need some sleep.
It goes back to AT LEAST 1977, the debut of The Huntress, their E2. Batman having a son who follows him into crime fighting, first as Robin, dates back to the 1950's.

[Livy1213]

But DAMIAN? Who would expect him to come up? Like, ever, in this universe.
In all likelihood, this Damian will probably be a completely different character than the one in the comics. He'll likely be Damian in name only and have more of the personality of the Bruce Wayne Jr. character from that old 1970s Elseworlds story someone mentioned up thread (can't remember the name of it).

[klammed]

In all likelihood, this Damian will probably be a completely different character than the one in the comics. He'll likely be Damian in name only and have more of the personality of the Bruce Wayne Jr. character from that old 1970s Elseworlds story someone mentioned up thread (can't remember the name of it).

My point exactly, I did mention that though, that he'll likely be different. But just in terms of reference - this mash up of silver/golden/modern age comics is getting really interesting in terms of who shows and how, like Harley Quinn's appearance being a grand departure from the 'original' by placing her more more in line period wise with a Joker closer to his 'original' appearance. Then it all starts conflating and exploding and becoming rather exciting, at least for me. :anime: I think the Elseworld might be Generations. But there's been a few of them, I think, where he settles down and has kids who carry on his name and what not.

[SSJBatman]

Eh, I'm hoping he's not Damian in name only.

I sorta wanna have him as a rich Spoiled brat to get across his bratty personality, while not being as bad as Mainstream Damian, would still be there.

[Yojimbo]

It goes back to AT LEAST 1977, the debut of The Huntress, their E2. Batman having a son who follows him into crime fighting, first as Robin, dates back to the 1950's.Yes, I'm well aware of those World's Finest and other comics. I mentioned them a few pages ago, too, for those that want to know more. My recent post were in regards to fans who only watched the various animated series in the 90's. That way, I think this episode more broad appeal than usual. ;)

[SSJBatman]

Oh errr

I hope it's not too much to ask, but what time with Knights of Tomorrow be on? I haven't really payed attention to CN lately so... ^^;

[Yojimbo]

Oh errr

I hope it's not too much to ask, but what time with Knights of Tomorrow be on? I haven't really payed attention to CN lately so... ^^;7-7:30 PM Eastern. But because of Daylight Savings ending, you may want to double check your local listings (Sites like Zap 2 It (http://tvlistings.zap2it.com/tvlistings/ZCGrid.do?reqfrom=logout)). Could be a 1-2 hour difference in air times for some timezones now, I'm not exactly sure on how it works.

[SSJBatman]

Thank you, and I'm in New York so this time should be right ^^

Also, that site has an error in the description

" (NEW)In the future, Dick Grayson's son does not want to take up the mantle."

lol xD

[Yojimbo]

Thank you, and I'm in New York so this time should be right ^^

Also, that site has an error in the description

" (NEW)In the future, Dick Grayson's son does not want to take up the mantle."

lol xDWelcome. And well, it's their job to get the grids right, anything else is up in the air, it seems. :sweat:

So any last minute predictions for what's in the teaser? I'm leaning toward Red Hood.

[klammed]

Welcome. And well, it's their job to get the grids right, anything else is up in the air, it seems. :sweat:

So any last minute predictions for what's in the teaser? I'm leaning toward Red Hood.

Red Hood? Hmmm.... Well seeing as the Question's involved... I'm wondering if it's not more Apokolips conspiracy. If Red Hood, are you suggesting Joker's old persona, or Jason Todd's current? If Todd, would that mean that Todd came before Dick Grayson as Robin in this Universe, seeing as Grayson's only just graduated from the role?

[SKDarkDragon]

Thank you, and I'm in New York so this time should be right ^^

Also, that site has an error in the description

" (NEW)In the future, Dick Grayson's son does not want to take up the mantle."

lol xD

I saw that when I was browsing my DVR guide, haha. I was like, "Wait...what?" XD

[Yojimbo]

Red Hood? Hmmm.... Well seeing as the Question's involved... I'm wondering if it's not more Apokolips conspiracy. If Red Hood, are you suggesting Joker's old persona, or Jason Todd's current? If Todd, would that mean that Todd came before Dick Grayson as Robin in this Universe, seeing as Grayson's only just graduated from the role?I still got 2 hours left before the episode airs in my area. I meant the Red Hood from the parallel universe in season one. But the teaser appears to be something else...

[klammed]

Oh wow, indeed o.O precursors much?

[Yojimbo]

Oh wow, indeed o.O precursors much?:D It's cool that "Darkseid Descending!" got two teasers to set up the episode. Good thing we only have to wait 2 weeks.

[KillerMoth]

:D It's cool that "Darkseid Descending!" got two teasers to set up the episode. Good thing we only have to wait 2 weeks.
I'm glad about that too, means that we actually did get two arcs this season, even if the Darkseid one is much more brief. I'm curious though if his ep is meant to be the season finale like Equinox's last season, since both weren't the last in production order.

Oh, and well done klammed on successfully guessing the teaser!

And, looks like we were both right, and wrong Yojimbo. Bruce did indeed die....fictionally. I'll give you the victory though since it was clearly a large focus point in the ep, and the ep itself certainly was built on the "What if?" scenario. So well done! Yoo win....something...I guess. Mod status?

Not long now to go till Mr Mind. I'm hoping that ep is just as good as, if not better than The Power of Shazam!, which is still in my top 5 for the show. Whoever voiced Sivana (Piddock wasn't it?) did a perfect job.

[Yojimbo]

I'm glad about that too, means that we actually did get two arcs this season, even if the Darkseid one is much more brief. I'm curious though if his ep is meant to be the season finale like Equinox's last season, since both weren't the last in production order.Could be but I forget if they already knew they were renewed. Could always hit up Ben Jones after we see "The Malicious Mr. Mind!".


And, looks like we were both right, and wrong Yojimbo. Bruce did indeed die....fictionally. I'll give you the victory though since it was clearly a large focus point in the ep, and the ep itself certainly was built on the "What if?" scenario. So well done! Yoo win....something...I guess. Mod status?You get some, you don't get some. :cool:


Not long now to go till Mr Mind. I'm hoping that ep is just as good as, if not better than The Power of Shazam!, which is still in my top 5 for the show. Whoever voiced Sivana (Piddock wasn't it?) did a perfect job.Jim Piddock doubled as Dr. Sivana and Sivana Junior.

[KillerMoth]

Could be but I forget if they already knew they were renewed. Could always hit up Ben Jones after we see "The Malicious Mr. Mind!".

Sorry, should've made myself clear. What I meant was that I wonder if the last ep of season 2 was meant to be Darkseid's or Mr. Mind's (I think it should go to the evil Caterpillar).


Jim Piddock doubled as Dr. Sivana and Sivana Junior.
Ah, thanks. He did a fantastic job, though I wonder what's up with the kid's accents. Perhaps attended a British mad scientist school?

Do we have confirmation yet on whether only Scooby or the entire Myster Inc. gang is showing up yet?

[Yojimbo]

Sorry, should've made myself clear. What I meant was that I wonder if the last ep of season 2 was meant to be Darkseid's or Mr. Mind's (I think it should go to the evil Caterpillar).Sorry about that yeah, I meant the same in response. I think that question may come up the next time James Tucker and Michael Jelenic are interviewed. Right now, both seem just as epic as the other.

EDIT: I was thinking and even "The Knights of Tomorrow!" could be a fitting season finale.


Ah, thanks. He did a fantastic job, though I wonder what's up with the kid's accents. Perhaps attended a British mad scientist school?I wondered about that myself, too. I figured it was some reference to how British are mostly type-casted to play villains in American movies.


Do we have confirmation yet on whether only Scooby or the entire Mystery Inc. gang is showing up yet?Not yet.

[the greenman]

Okay, I caught "Knights". How many eps are left in Season 2? I think we're missing the titles for about two more eps, right? We got "Darkseid Descending" & "Malicious Mr. Mind" but that's it.

I know we gotta wait on Matches Malone still.

[M.O.D.O.K.]

Okay, I caught "Knights". How many eps are left in Season 2? I think we're missing the titles for about two more eps, right? We got "Darkseid Descending" & "Malicious Mr. Mind" but that's it.

I know we gotta wait on Matches Malone still.

The other one left is "Bat-Mite Presents: Batman's Greatest Cases", which is right after the Darkseid one.

[Yojimbo]

Yes, in addition to what D.A.V.E. said, there's 3 episodes left in season 2. So for now it seems like it will be done airing in January 2011. Not sure if anyone asked how much of season 3 is finished yet.

Look like Season 2 is now 100% all done based on what Ben Jones tweeted today (Guess it also explains why he hasn't been answering Q's on Formspring).


>CLANK!< (That's the sound of the lid closing on the can that Season 2 is now in).Link: Ben Jones Tweet (http://twitter.com/idiotstyle/status/7238596331315201)

[the greenman]

We're still expecting Kamandi and Viking Prince in S2. So that could be two whole episodes or both in one. I would still love to see Kamandi and Darkseid in the same ep.

[Yojimbo]

We're still expecting Kamandi and Viking Prince in S2. So that could be two whole episodes or both in one. I would still love to see Kamandi and Darkseid in the same ep.Great idea! "The Knights of Tomorrow!" had some nods to Grant Morrison so "Darkseid Descending!" could have bunches of nods to Jack Kirby.

[Callonme]

Yes, in addition to what D.A.V.E. said, there's 3 episodes left in season 2. So for now it seems like it will be done airing in January 2011. Not sure if anyone asked how much of season 3 is finished yet.

Look like Season 2 is now 100% all done based on what Ben Jones tweeted today (Guess it also explains why he hasn't been answering Q's on Formspring).

Link: Ben Jones Tweet (http://twitter.com/idiotstyle/status/7238596331315201)

Cool! And we know they're already on the post-production phase of Season 3 (2 episodes in the editing bay).

[the greenman]

Have they even announced Superman's v.a. yet?

[Callonme]

So, "The Last Patrol!" is airing on 12/10. Could "The Mask of Matches Malone!" be airing on 12/17?

I'm sure 12/24 and 12/31 will be holiday programming.

If the reruns continue on, we'd get "Bat-Mite Presents: Batman's Strangest Cases!" and "The Malicious Mr. Mind!" on 2/19 and 2/26. If Season 3 started soon after, it would finish by summertime. A couple more months of reruns in the Friday slot (as per usual with these shows) and it gets replaced by Green Lantern in the Fall. Unless we get a surprise Season 4 (which would be awesome!).

[Yojimbo]

Have they even announced Superman's v.a. yet?No, sorry but they haven't yet.


So, "The Last Patrol!" is airing on 12/10. Could "The Mask of Matches Malone!" be airing on 12/17?

I'm sure 12/24 and 12/31 will be holiday programming.

If the reruns continue on, we'd get "Bat-Mite Presents: Batman's Strangest Cases!" and "The Malicious Mr. Mind!" on 2/19 and 2/26. If Season 3 started soon after, it would finish by summertime. A couple more months of reruns in the Friday slot (as per usual with these shows) and it gets replaced by Green Lantern in the Fall. Unless we get a surprise Season 4 (which would be awesome!).What website did you find this or is it speculation? Last year, they started new episodes the first Friday of January.

[ShadowStar]

Great idea! "The Knights of Tomorrow!" had some nods to Grant Morrison so "Darkseid Descending!" could have bunches of nods to Jack Kirby.

As I said before, I think Kamandi might be in the teaser for "Darkseid Descending!" for that very reason. Let's hope that his appearance delivers on the promise made at the end of "Last Bat on Earth!" - it would be neat if he came to the present day and was in awe of everything.

[Yojimbo]

As I said before, I think Kamandi might be in the teaser for "Darkseid Descending!" for that very reason. Let's hope that his appearance delivers on the promise made at the end of "Last Bat on Earth!" - it would be neat if he came to the present day and was in awe of everything.My apologies for forgetting to acknowledge you thought of it before. ;)

I'm sort of wondering if it will be shown how Kamandi's era becomes Booster's 25th century or am I getting the order mixed up again?

[ShadowStar]

My apologies for forgetting to acknowledge you thought of it before. ;)

Oh no, I didn't mean to imply that I needed to be credited. :sweat:


I'm sort of wondering if it will be shown how Kamandi's era becomes Booster's 25th century or am I getting the order mixed up again?

Doesn't Kamandi's era come after Booster's time period, the Legion of Superheroes' time period etc? I assumed that Kamandi's time was, well, the end of the world.

[Yojimbo]

Doesn't Kamandi's era come after Booster's time period, the Legion of Superheroes' time period etc? I assumed that Kamandi's time was, well, the end of the world.I could never find anything concrete but I figured Kamandi's Earth A.D. era was the 22-23rd century but that was because I noted the status of the Batcave in "The Last Bat on Earth!" versus Booster's description of it in "The Menace of the Conqueror Caveman!" as a fully restored amusement park and well, I suppose, traditionally Buddy Blank is the great grandfather of Kamandi.

Hmm, Ben Jones must be very busy with Season 3. Hasn't answered his Formspring in 2 weeks...

[Nexonius]

Sorry about that yeah, I meant the same in response. I think that question may come up the next time James Tucker and Michael Jelenic are interviewed. Right now, both seem just as epic as the other.

EDIT: I was thinking and even "The Knights of Tomorrow!" could be a fitting season finale.

I wondered about that myself, too. I figured it was some reference to how British are mostly type-casted to play villains in American movies.

Not yet.


Actually Yojimbo, Andrea Romano did infact mention the Mystery Inc. cast.

[Yojimbo]

Actually Yojimbo, Andrea Romano did infact mention the Mystery Inc. cast.Oh, ok, I wasn't just misremembering. It was during Comic Con wasn't it? But the part I'm not sure about is if the Mystery Inc. cast were reprising their roles for The Brave and The Bold, or were just cast to work on The Brave and Bold as guest characters, maybe superheroes or villains.

EDIT: Speak of the devil. Mr. Jones shares some stuff...


In "Bat-Mite Presents: Batman's Strangest Cases!", does Scooby appear by himself or is it the entire Mystery Inc. gang? (http://www.formspring.me/IdiotStyle/q/1699618299)

I don't think Scooby has ever appeared solo - he always has at least Shaggy along with him. Our show would be a weird place to start.Link: Formspring Reply (http://www.formspring.me/IdiotStyle/q/1699618299)

So it seems like it's at least Scooby and Shaggy.


Aside from production order, was "The Malicious Mr. Mind!" really the season finale of season 2 or was it "Darkseid Descending!" in the staff's opinion? (http://www.formspring.me/IdiotStyle/q/1699621328)

(http://www.formspring.me/IdiotStyle/q/1699621328)I think we had at least three episodes that were viable as finales, but to my mind, Darkseid Descending was the finaliest.Link: Formspring Reply (http://www.formspring.me/IdiotStyle/q/1699621328)

Definitely sounds like the most epic scale, maybe a big invasion and stand off.


In "Chill of the Night!" was that Mr. Freeze the alien version from the Filmation The New Adventures of Batman or the Dr. Shivel version from the 60's Adam West show? (http://www.formspring.me/IdiotStyle/q/1699628240)

(http://www.formspring.me/IdiotStyle/q/1699628240)See which one you think it is when he comes back.Link: Formspring Reply (http://www.formspring.me/IdiotStyle/q/1699628240)

More Mr. Freeze is pretty awesome.


Grant Morrison is a huge fan of the show, were there any talks of having him do an episode or using some of his characters? I know that there's going to be a Damian episode coming up.
(http://www.formspring.me/IdiotStyle/q/1699635049)
I don't think anyone has approached him about doing something for our show, but there are a lot of Morrison fans on the show (including me), so references to his work will continue to pop up from time to time.

[James Harvey]

An abbreviated description for the forthcoming Batman: The Brave and The Bold episode "Darkseid Descending!" is now available, scheduled to air Friday, December 3rd, 2010 at 7pm (ET) on Cartoon Network, as seen below.

Batman assembles a new, motley Justice League to thwart a pending Earth invasion by Darkseid. The rag-tag group can hardly get along - let alone battle a near god - but they have to learn to pull it all together when they become Earth's last hope.

Media and further details for the Batman: The Brave and The Bold episode "Darkseid Descending!" are expected to be released later this week.

[the greenman]

Doesn't Kamandi's era come after Booster's time period, the Legion of Superheroes' time period etc? I assumed that Kamandi's time was, well, the end of the world.

I believe that's pretty much the general consensus. Kamandi's time is truly the end of time. But it doesn't mean we can't see Kamandi show up in our era just in time for an invasion, and go back.

[ShadowStar]

Batman assembles a new, motley Justice League to thwart a pending Earth invasion by Darkseid. The rag-tag group can hardly get along - let alone battle a near god - but they have to learn to pull it all together when they become Earth's last hope.


Hopefully there won't be too much bickering between the JLI (or preaching from Batman about teamwork). A row between Booster Gold, Guy Gardner, Blue Beetle etc. doesn't sound very compelling. I'll be disappointed if the action takes a backseat to the tension between the teammates, especially if it also upstages the introductions of ]Martian Manhunter and Ice.

The site that must not be named says that the teaser features Firestorm and Killer Frost. More Firestorm is good (I think he's one of the more interesting heroes introduced this season), but where does this leave Kamandi? And Viking Prince, for that matter?

[Yojimbo]

The site that must not be named says that the teaser features Firestorm and Killer Frost. More Firestorm is good (I think he's one of the more interesting heroes introduced this season), but where does this leave Kamandi? And Viking Prince, for that matter?Must be season 3 then.

[KillerMoth]

Hopefully there won't be too much bickering between the JLI (or preaching from Batman about teamwork). A row between Booster Gold, Guy Gardner, Blue Beetle etc. doesn't sound very compelling. I'll be disappointed if the action takes a backseat to the tension between the teammates, especially if it also upstages the introductions of ]Martian Manhunter and Ice.

Actually, I'll be highly annoyed if there isn't a ridiculous amount of bickering. One of the best parts about the original JLI was that it was built almost entirely around he team mates in-fighting and whining, played entirely for laughs of course. Whenever a big danger was faced, you could bet that even then Blue Beetle was joking, Max Lord was facepalming, Batman was utterly frustrated and Booster had no idea what was happening.


The site that must not be named says that the teaser features Firestorm and Killer Frost. More Firestorm is good (I think he's one of the more interesting heroes introduced this season), but where does this leave Kamandi? And Viking Prince, for that matter?
Sounds neat, I like Killer Frost and I love this show's Firestorm. Does that mean Kamandi is in the The Malicious Mr Mind! teaser?

[Yojimbo]

According to CN's schedule, they have "The Last Patrol!" for December 10th. Guess, the last 3 episodes of Season 2 will air in January.

[ShadowStar]

According to CN's schedule, they have "The Last Patrol!" for December 10th. Guess, the last 3 episodes of Season 2 will air in January.

"The Mask of Matches Malone!" could still air on the 17th.