The Avengers: Earth's Mightiest Heroes "Some Assembly Required" Talkback (Spoilers)

[James Harvey]

Discuss the all-new episode of The Avengers: Earth's Mightiest Heroes debuting tonight at 8:30pm (ET) on Disney XD!

http://marvel.toonzone.net/avengersemh/talkback.jpg (http://marvel.toonzone.net/avengersemh/)The Avengers: Earth's Mightiest Heroes "Some Assembly Required"
Episode Premiere Date: October 27th, 2010

Iron Man, Thor, Hulk and more of Marvel’s greatest characters begin their lives as Avengers. But with a wild card like the Hulk on the team, and a little prodding from the villainous Enchantress, will the team be smashed by one of their own before they embark on their first mission?

Comments?

Note: Please keep discussion on-topic, please. Thank you.

[CyclonatorZ]

Um, isn't that the description of the pilot episode? I thought this one was going to be about Hulk being tricked into attacking the rest of the Avengers. :confused:

Mod Note: Fixed.

[Rick Jones]

So we've got a Reed Richards mention and a reference to the Negative Zone. Awesome.

Is there anything they don't take care of for you at the Mansion ? I'm shocked it doesn't clean and dress you, Jetsons style.

[jph139]

I really like the humor in this series; it never feels forced, which is a really good thing. Tony Stark - "Sorry I'm late; caught up in a meeting. Well, actually I missed the meeting, too, but..." That had me rolling. And Thor calling JARVIS "Ethereal Voice" was good, too.

And I'm really liking the Hulk's characterization. He feels very Hulk-like, even if he is a lot more, you know, talkative. And he has at least "HULK IS STRONGEST THERE IS!!!" type moment per episode, so, I'm content. :D

Action was pretty good; not as jaw-dropping as the first two episodes, but a servicable magic brawl. Next week, though - Cap vs. Baron Zemo. THAT should deliver some good action.

And I'm loving the teasers. Reed Richards and the Negative Zone Prison; Black Panther on the prowl; Pym working on a new Ultron; Cap's shield in the Arctic... really makes you hungry for the next episode.

[Venom Melendez]

So much like in the comics, he gets mind controlled by a villain and finds out the others don't trust him. Difference here is he eventually stays on the team.

Anywho, Frozen Cap at the end and he'll be unfrozen in next weeks episode.

Also, i totally geeked at Stark name dropping Richards.

[macattack]

Well, that didn't take long for Hulk to leave in frustration. We all know he'll be back, though.

I swear, Wasp looks, acts, and sounds like a teenage girl. It's starting to get creepy considering she's surrounded by older men.

Wasp is also the only Avengers member with stock footage so far. Kinda shows how low on the totem pole she is to the animators.

Enchantress got away with her partner so there's still 72 supervillains left to take down. As Deadpool says in Spider-Man: Shattered Dimensions: "Ooh, collectibles! Gotta collect 'em all!"

It looks like the other members are going to be more cohesive than the Hulk, though. And then we have Black Panther lurking around and Captain America's resurrection happening next episode too. That mansion is going to get full in a hurry.

[Munkiman]

So awesome - five stars!

Even this early in, I can tell it's the characterization that's going to make this show truly great. Every character shines - I'm not really a Marvel fan and I already feel like I know each character really well. A few things that stand out:

-Tony's enthusiasm for making this Avengers thing work. You can just see how excited he is to have his own awesome superhero team. Look at how much money he poured into that mansion! There is no way in hell that half of that was necessary and that's what makes it so great. I also get the sense that Tony is going to have to work at balancing his lack of responsibility - "Sorry I'm late, caught up in a meeting. Actually, I missed that meeting too." :D - with being a capable leader.

-Speaking of Iron Man as the leader, I can't wait to see the sparks fly when Captain America shows up! Cap is just a natural leader, but on the other hand this is Tony's pet project. He was there first! He paid for the mansion! This is going to be so much better than if they had started out with Cap as the leader - we have exactly two episodes with Iron Man in charge, and then suddenly here comes the guy wrapped in the American flag! So excited for that.

-Hank had these little moments that were just really great. My personal favorite was when they're touring the mansion lab, and as they move on Hank is taking his sweet time keeping up with the group, arms behind his back, silently squeeing. :D

-The Hulk/Thor relationship looks like it's going to be a lot of fun, just because of how similar they really are. And they'd both deny the heck out of that, but it's so true. Like in the park when Janet is trying to calm the Hulk down, and Thor just keeps trying to teach the big green dude a lesson - Thor and Hulk both have a temper and something to prove, plus they're the physical powerhouses of the team. They can't not constantly fight each other, and it'll be great to see how they work that out, if at all.

-Janet continues to have the most normal reaction to the whole Avengers thing, which is to marvel at the awesomeness of it all. She basically wants to give her whole life over to this - she wants to move into the mansion, everything else is boring her, and I noticed that she never takes her costume off during the episode. Overall she's a lot of fun, very high-energy.

-Plus, you can also tell that Wasp is the best bet for getting the Hulk back and making him be a team player. She's the only one who doesn't seem to be constantly disapproving of him. Even when she's annoyed with him, she never thinks he's a bad person. Thor hates the Hulk's guts, Tony wants to keep the Hulk around but at the same time is really worried that he's going to ruin his cool new super-team, and Hank... well, Hank hates the Hulk's guts, too, but he doesn't say it out loud as much as Thor does - still, he's only tolerating the Hulk at best. Wasp, who is really the only Avenger who is ever totally relaxed at this point, has absolutely no beef with the Hulk. She's not afraid of him - she isn't really afraid of anything, which is awesome for a character whose most powerful ability is annoying at best - and she thinks he's a little bit of a jerk sometimes but ultimately a cool dude who wants to help. She's not going to judge him for how he's acted in the past - he's a good guy now, that's that, so let's all be awesome super-pals! I love Wasp.

The action in this was fun, not as great as last one because a fight with Enchantress and Executioner simply can't match duking it out with Graviton for an entire half hour. The Hulk taking on all the other Avengers at once - and winning by a mile - was my favorite part with fighting.

And hey, the Black Panther! Will he and Cap join in the same episode, or is this just foreshadowing for number 4? Personally I think he'd be better suited to an episode that focuses on him completely.

Just idle speculation, but how cool will it be if Hulk uncovers Cap by himself? Like, the other Avengers don't get there until way later. Imagine it: Steve Rogers wakes up from his nap, 65 years after he fell into the water, and his welcoming party is a gigantic green guy in the middle of the Arctic. That would kick ass.

And of course we can't forget Reed Richards and the Negative Zone prison! That had better work out better than it did in Civil War...

Also, since Enchantress is on Midgard solely to try and break up the Avengers, I'm leaning toward Loki as the mastermind behind the Breakout. We'll see. The only other real suspects are HYDRA and Kang - HYDRA doesn't seem like it would be able to pull this off (plus it would totally have taken credit by now), and I don't think the Breakout fits in with Kang's plan, considering Cap hasn't woken up yet.

In conclusion: CAN'T WAIT FOR MOOOOORE.

[Dub C]

I love freakin' Wasp, that is all. ...Well okay that's not all :p

Really liking this show so far. I liked the little tour of the mansion and seeing Tony run with the Avengers idea so enthusatically.

I was interested so see how the Hulk would interact with the group, a shame it broke down so quickly as Enchantress was messing with his mind. As Munkiman mentioned in his post, Wasp is probably going to be the one that can help reel the Hulk back into the group.

The show just seems to flow so well thus far. The action's pretty solid and humor/lighter moments are very enjoyable.

[Spider-Sense]

In conclusion: CAN'T WAIT FOR MOOOOORE.

Same here!:cool:

[Webbed-Wonder]

Great episode, I loved the Reed Richards and Negative Zone mentions and seeing Black Panther in action around the city.

[Marvin Tikvah]

A lot better than last weeks chaotic opener. The team had a chance to interact properly, and this was more of what I wanted from the series. I love how Hulk and Thor just seem to stand out in Tony's mansion, and even act like the crazy roommates. The danger room sequence was pretty cool too.

I'm surprised somebody like Enchantress got a chance to debut early in the series, but she put up one hell of a fight with the team. I also like how they mentioned her connection to Thor without spending too much time on it.

Captain America finally gets into action next week. Looking forward to that so much.

[Venom Melendez]

I swear, Wasp looks, acts, and sounds like a teenage girl. It's starting to get creepy considering she's surrounded by older men.

She is the youngest one. Probably early 20's.

[Apache Chief]

Not much to add, other than I'm loving it too. I think Fury's design is a bit too youthful, even with the gray hair, and the intro song's a bit cheesy, but those are nit-picks.

It's a show steeped in Marvel lore, and I love all the name drops and easter eggs. 'Vigilante punishes again' indeed.

I hope they're allowed to use Doom down the road - not sure what the rules with Fox are there.

Can't wait to see Cap!

[.c.h.r.i.s.]

The tour of the mansion was a 10 minute nerdgasm. SO awesome. SO classic. I love it. The mansion itself has so much personality, it's another character in the show. I'm very happy they are not in Stark Tower. The Mansion is where it's at.

[W.C.Reaf]

This episode was showing the other side of the Avengers than the big Supers fight from the premier, here we got to see what these guys are like as a team. These guys aren't the Justice League, they don't get along with each other, and quite frankly shouldn't be on a team together yet they are because they need to.

Janet and Tony are the only ones that really want to be there. Hank just wants to be in his lab, Hulk just wants to be left alone, and Thor is probably thinking about how much he'd like to go back home.

I loved the training scene, it really showed off all of their power sets and roles in the group. They start with Janet, who's in way over her head and can't deal with it unless Tony steps in, then they end with Hulk who doesn't want to be there and can break the room without even trying.

I also liked them putting Hulk in the Namor role of accidentally breaking Cap out of the ice. Nice nod to the comics there.

[Video Beagle]

I also liked them putting Hulk in the Namor role of accidentally breaking Cap out of the ice. Nice nod to the comics there.

I'm wondering if it's more a nod to the Hulk movie, as that was a scene cut from it.


I've yet to check to be sure, but I recall when watching the Iron Man SHIELD profile online, it mentions he leads the Avengers...the one they show on XD, though, says "instrumental in forming the Avengers", which could certainly throw chum into the waters of the who will lead question.

[Apache Chief]

Maybe Cap and Tony should co-lead. Cap is a man completely out of his time - he has missed out on 65 years of cultural, historical, and technological development.

He's a natural field commander - and maybe he should be in charge of strategy against the villains, but when it comes to running the team, the mansion, public relations, the funds, etc., Tony makes more sense.

[Monte]

Janet and Tony are the only ones that really want to be there. Hank just wants to be in his lab, Hulk just wants to be left alone, and Thor is probably thinking about how much he'd like to go back home.

I disagree on Thor. He wants to be on midgard and protecting the people; he's a man of self-sacrifice and very much prefers doing what he feels must be done. I think he likes the idea of a superhero team, but he's weary about the members in particular.

Though i do like what you mention about the Justice League... Early on there was no internal conflict; the JLU just got together and did what they had to do. I mean there were some issues later on, though usually over bigger things, more serious grievances... the internal conflict within the Avengers however is much more petty and personal. Hulk really does not seem to like working with others, Thor seems like he might be weary of the other member's dedication to the noble cause, and Hank is not only not entirely dedicated but has a real sour opinion of Tony. In a way, they are more like a bunch of roommates that just get on eachothers' nerves; and i think that's the kind of flaw that makes them seem more human.

I kind of wonder if it will be Capt who will end up bringing the team together and getting them past their petty differences.
Capt does seem like the best choice... he's the best blend of hero and human. Most of the avengers are too human to really sacrifice themselves to the superhero cause and this leads to them allowing their differences to get in the way. Thor is a 100% hero but his problem is that he thinks like an Asgardian and thus can not truly comprehend the petty conflict of mortals. Capt however is a 100% hero like Thor but since he is still human he better understands what the rest of avengers are going through... working through that he can help Thor have more tolerance of his human counterparts and help the mortals see past their differences to fight the good fight

[Webbed-Wonder]

I also forgot to mention I liked the opening with Mandrill, that was cool.

[Munkiman]

This episode was showing the other side of the Avengers than the big Supers fight from the premier, here we got to see what these guys are like as a team. These guys aren't the Justice League, they don't get along with each other, and quite frankly shouldn't be on a team together yet they are because they need to.

Janet and Tony are the only ones that really want to be there. Hank just wants to be in his lab, Hulk just wants to be left alone, and Thor is probably thinking about how much he'd like to go back home.

I loved the training scene, it really showed off all of their power sets and roles in the group. They start with Janet, who's in way over her head and can't deal with it unless Tony steps in, then they end with Hulk who doesn't want to be there and can break the room without even trying.

I also liked them putting Hulk in the Namor role of accidentally breaking Cap out of the ice. Nice nod to the comics there.
I gotta disagree about the Avengers not wanting to be on the team besides Tony and Janet.

Hank admits that he thinks it's a good idea, he just doesn't want it to take over his whole life - he has science to do, after all.

The Hulk acts like he wants to be alone, but he really does want to be accepted, and the Avengers initially give him some hope on that, though he ends up feeling disappointed. Though there's also the deal he made with Banner - if he uses his powers to help people, he gets to stay the Hulk.

The Thor part is what I most disagree with, though. He clearly doesn't want to go home. Like he told Odin in the microsodes, he'll return to Asgard if he's needed but otherwise he wants to stay on Midgard and protect the mortals. He's the only person keeping himself on Earth - well, Jane Foster is, too, in a sense :p (speaking of Jane, wonder when she'll show up again?) I don't think there's anywhere Thor would rather be than in the Avengers at this point, fighting bad guys and such - the only one who gets under his skin is Hulk.

Edit: aaaand beaten by Monte. :sweat:

[Gold Guy]

Not as good as last weeks, but still pretty good. I guess soon Black Panther will join the group.

When she wants to, I guess Enchantress can fight. And she did pretty well, too. Hulk was very grating in this episode. He kept picking fights with the hole team. I am kinda glad that he quit.

[macattack]

I too find the general disagreements among the team members more realistic than depicted in Justice League. To me, DC represents idealism with its heroes, and tends to paint villains in a darker light, it's more obvious that they are evil. Marvel is more grey-area, which can prove somewhat disastrous in the wrong hands but in animation they've pulled off the shades of grey nicely in recent series.

I think that the way the Avengers is going to set up is that the main members will mesh, but the Hulk, once he returns, will likely be a bit of a loose cannon. Iron Man and Captain America will also likely be having it out over who leads the team. This is Stark's team but Steve Rogers is a natural leader. However, Rogers will also have antiquated ideas as well as severe culture shock, so he may be off-kilter for a while and annoy the rest of the team.

The way Hulk and Wasp are interacting makes me wonder . . . never mind, creepy thought.

This episode does prove, however, that Hulk can kick everyone's ass. Giant-Man, Thor, Iron Man, and Wasp combined can't take him down. And Enchantress was defeated quite easily when the Hulk resisted her mind manipulation.

And, despite being at odds with everyone, it was mentioned early that Hulk was the only member on time for the first meeting and tour. So Hulk, internally, actually does want to do this. He just needs time to get over himself.

[Munkiman]

I don't think Wasp is really that much younger than the rest of the Avengers (with the exception of Thor, who is way older than any of them). She acts younger, but she's probably in her mid-twenties, considering that she handles Hank's finances. Hank is probably late 20s, possibly early 30s. I'm gonna go with early 30s for Tony. Banner is probably around Hank's age. So Wasp is probably the youngest but not that distant. Just more chipper.


Not as good as last weeks, but still pretty good. I guess soon Black Panther will join the group.

When she wants to, I guess Enchantress can fight. And she did pretty well, too. Hulk was very grating in this episode. He kept picking fights with the hole team. I am kinda glad that he quit.
He kept picking fights with the team because Enchantress was manipulating him.

[GWOtaku]

Oh wait, Cap is next episode? And lo, GWO rejoiced.

I don't think we'll see Cap take over the team exactly or even compete with Tony necessarily. The show so far and all the promotional stuff has pointed to Iron Man being front and center, which makes some sense given the history and the simple reality that Tony Stark has been hyped by two awesome blockbuster films. Shoot, the opening for the series kind of centers on him at the start; Stark observes what's going on and blasts off to join the other heroes in battle. That doesn't mean Cap can't step up to be the guy that the others rally around on the field, though.

Wasp and Thor are my favorites so far, they have such distinct and fun personalities. I'm still digging the interpretation of Iron Man as the closest thing to animated Robert Downy Jr. too.

Naturally Hank is working on Ultron.....yeah, future plot point of doom anyone?

Yep, Hulk will obviously come back--before too long, hopefully. I do think this episode highlighted that team cohesion is still weak, hence the title of the episode. After all, at this early date Hulk wasn't connected enough to anyone for the other heroes to think "hey, something is definitely wrong here" early on. And that makes sense, since Hulk only barely started out trying to prove himself. Even without the villain manipulation, he and Thor aren't exactly 100% compatible either. Thor is honest and blunt, Hulk is (understandably) easily offended. Tony's a tad irresponsible, Hank is the thinker and the skeptic and pretty much the opposite of Hulk--he wants to look at the big picture, Hulk just wanted to go and beat up a villain already.

So yeah, good job highlighting the differences and problems here. Wasp basically just wants everyone to get along. Alas, not yet. Perhaps Cap's arrival will herald some meaningful team building, given a little time.

[Azrayel]

Nice episode. To getting to know The Avengers and the mansion. I really liked those Avengers card, sometimes I wish Tony Stark was real with all his high tech cool technology. :D

[Munkiman]

Naturally Hank is working on Ultron.....yeah, future plot point of doom anyone?

Yep, Hulk will obviously come back--before too long, hopefully. I do think this episode highlighted that team cohesion is still weak, hence the title of the episode. After all, at this early date Hulk wasn't connected enough to anyone for the other heroes to think "hey, something is definitely wrong here" early on. And that makes sense, since Hulk only barely started out trying to prove himself. Even without the villain manipulation, he and Thor aren't exactly 100% compatible either. Thor is honest and blunt, Hulk is (understandably) easily offended. Tony's a tad irresponsible, Hank is the thinker and the skeptic and pretty much the opposite of Hulk--he wants to look at the big picture, Hulk just wanted to go and beat up a villain already.

So yeah, good job highlighting the differences and problems here. Wasp basically just wants everyone to get along. Alas, not yet. Perhaps Cap's arrival will herald some meaningful team building, given a little time.
Almost forgot about Ultron - I love the irony of Wasp calling it "boring." I don't think she's going to be happy when Ultron becomes more exciting...

Good description of the characters, particularly, "Thor is honest and blunt, Hulk is (understandably) easily offended." I hadn't thought of it quite like that - it seemed more like their similarly tendency to be aggressive that makes them set each other off - but now that I think about it, this is so what's happening (well, a little of both). Hulk's characteristic rage just doesn't calm down any further than a really bad mood!

[redlion]

About the Hulk picking fights thing, Thor did his fair share of goading too. You could tell he was itching to challenge Hulk to combat. When Hulk knocked him into a building, Thor clearly had a smirky expression. I loved it.

I like the way Thor is being portrayed in this toon. Heroic, with a touch of arrogance, which gives him an air of nobility. In the season opener, he tells Graviton his power is "impressive....for a mortal" and he doesn't hesitate to reiterate his godhood to anyone and everyone or that he's an Asgardian or of his "Asgardian might". Also, I'm really digging Nick Fury. He has no super powers, yet he's interacting with gods, monsters, geniuses and madmen and he doesn't seem to be intimidated not one bit.

[Dudley]

I guess we can debunk the whole "guns over Nazi" rumor. That "gun" the policewoman used on Mandrill glowed.
Anyway, the fight wasn't as awesome as the one against Graviton, but that was a hard act to follow. It was still enjoyable.
Man, The Wasp is so......fun loving. She reminds me of some of the girls at college.
The Hulk will definitely return someday, there's no doubt about that. He's just trying to find his place or something.
It's good to see that so the Avengers have more to worry about than just 74 criminals, I didn't want some "gotta catch em' all" story. Not from this show.
Lovin' the show! Did I mention yet that the show's opening titles is awesome? It's nice to have something with original animation and not some damn clip show.

[HEATXZ]

Great episode :anime:
My favorite parts are The opening with Mandrill and Hulk beating up everyone :anime:

[W.C.Reaf]

Yeah the policewoman's gun was weird. It was very realistic yet it looked like it was charging up a laser or something rather than firing a bullet.


I disagree on Thor. He wants to be on midgard and protecting the people; he's a man of self-sacrifice and very much prefers doing what he feels must be done. I think he likes the idea of a superhero team, but he's weary about the members in particular.

I admit I was stretching things with Thor and probably read into stuff that wasn't there. It's just that Thor didn't seem all that thrilled to be in the mansion and despite him wanting to be on Midgard he now can't go home at all so he must get homesick.

Now I'm not saying all the Avengers don't want to be a team, just that Janet and Tony are the ones that really want it to work. The others are more seeing how it goes and in Hulk's case really unsure about his place on the team and if he should even be on it.


Though i do like what you mention about the Justice League... Early on there was no internal conflict; the JLU just got together and did what they had to do. I mean there were some issues later on, though usually over bigger things, more serious grievances... the internal conflict within the Avengers however is much more petty and personal.

Yeah I think the biggest internal squabble the JL had was in Secret Society which was due to mind control. There were a few more conflicts in JLU but no one, except Green Arrow, seemed to feel like they were better suited doing something else on their own.

[Venom Melendez]

I too find the general disagreements among the team members more realistic than depicted in Justice League. To me, DC represents idealism with its heroes, and tends to paint villains in a darker light, it's more obvious that they are evil. Marvel is more grey-area, which can prove somewhat disastrous in the wrong hands but in animation they've pulled off the shades of grey nicely in recent series.

I think that the way the Avengers is going to set up is that the main members will mesh, but the Hulk, once he returns, will likely be a bit of a loose cannon. Iron Man and Captain America will also likely be having it out over who leads the team. This is Stark's team but Steve Rogers is a natural leader. However, Rogers will also have antiquated ideas as well as severe culture shock, so he may be off-kilter for a while and annoy the rest of the team.

The way Hulk and Wasp are interacting makes me wonder . . . never mind, creepy thought.

This episode does prove, however, that Hulk can kick everyone's ass. Giant-Man, Thor, Iron Man, and Wasp combined can't take him down. And Enchantress was defeated quite easily when the Hulk resisted her mind manipulation.

And, despite being at odds with everyone, it was mentioned early that Hulk was the only member on time for the first meeting and tour. So Hulk, internally, actually does want to do this. He just needs time to get over himself.

More like he needs to trust others, Hulk kinda think they don't like him. But yeah, since he was the first to be there, it's clear he wants to be there.


I guess we can debunk the whole "guns over Nazi" rumor. That "gun" the policewoman used on Mandrill glowed.Anyway, the fight wasn't as awesome as the one against Graviton, but that was a hard act to follow. It was still enjoyable.

It isn't a rumor, regular guns have been used. SHIELD is the ones that use the lasers, which makes sense. The show has used both Lasers and Guns so far.


Not as good as last weeks, but still pretty good. I guess soon Black Panther will join the group.

When she wants to, I guess Enchantress can fight. And she did pretty well, too. Hulk was very grating in this episode. He kept picking fights with the hole team. I am kinda glad that he quit.

Some of it was Enchantress's mind control and Thor was provoking him a bit too. Everyone on the team was butting heads anyway. Stark and Pym had some friction too.

Also, Hulk will clearly be back , especially by the "Gamma World" two parter, probably before.

[Monte]

Yeah I think the biggest internal squabble the JL had was in Secrete Society which was due to mind control. There were a few more conflicts in JLU but no one, except Green Arrow, seemed to feel like they were better suited doing something else on their own.
Well there was more than that... like the whole deal with Huntress and the Question. There's probably some small things that i just don't recall too well. Though I like we see conflict within all the members of the avengers right off the bat... Hank puts it nicely in this episode; they are not a team but just a group of strangers and it takes a lot of time and trust to make a team work... the JL just made it work right off the bat... Only thing the avengers are missing is moments where they accidently hit eachother because they can't coordinate their attacks due them being more used to working solo...

one way i can't help but see DC and Marvel, is that DC is more about superheroes, where as Marvel is more about humans that are super powered; if you know what i mean about that



The way Hulk and Wasp are interacting makes me wonder . . . never mind, creepy thought.

I actually do kind of expect it to come up in a future episode. Afterall Wasp's playful antics could be seen as sending the wrong signals; combine that with her being really cute and one of the first girls to show Hulk any kindness... well ya :sweat:

Though that does kind of makes me think; one of the issues I do kind of have with the relationships is that i don't understand why Hank and Janet are together. I mean they are supposed to be lovers like in other incarnations? and yet at the same time i see nothing that really brings them together... Hank doesn't seem to have really any interest beyond science, and Janet is just wants to have fun and doesn't even have a passing interest in Hank's only interest... Frankly i just don't see what she would see in him.

i hear things don't work out in the end in the comics, but if that's something the writers want to explore (the rise and fall of their relationship), it won't work so well if we don't really believe they were in love in the first place

[Bat-Fan Beyond]

I just caught this one. Hmmmm... I guess I'm in the minority here, because I really wasn't as impressed with this episode as much as everyone else was. I'm enjoying this series, but when I start reading about how great it is and how it's better than the Justice League, I start thinking how wrong that is. This is just my opinion, and I'm sorry, but I don't think this is better than Justice League -- not even JL's first season, which is regarded as the weakest season. As a matter of fact, I can't help but compare Avengers: EMH to the first Ultimate Avengers movie, which I realize is a different animal altogether, but I think is a better interpretation, despite how much liberty is taken with the characters.

I think one of the problems I'm having with this series, and especially this particular episode, is the level of humor throughout it. It just seems a bit too frequent and too forced at times. It's almost as prevalent as the level of action it has, but not as necessary. Sometimes I'm reminded of Marvel Super Hero Squad while watching it, and I really don't want to think of it as that just for older kids. I think the first few episodes (the micro-series) before the breakout and the team-up were actually stronger than the last three epsiodes. They just seemed a little bit more serious in tone to me.

[Manhunter]

i hear things don't work out in the end in the comics,

Kind of an understatement. The most infamous moment of their relationship most likely will never see its way to this show.

[M.O.D.O.K.]

After the Avengers take care of minor villain Mandrill, they assemble to the new Avengers Mansion Tony Stark created for them. Some tension starts to build among the team, though not as big as the Hulk's against Thor's. This is further complicated by the Enchantress, who is manipulation Hulk's anger to force him to attack the team. Hulk comes to blows with Thor and the rest of the Avengers, only to break it off and leave in shame. But when Enchantress and Executioner attack, Hulk returns and ends the fight. He still leaves the team, but accidentally uncovers the frozen body of Captain America. Meanwhile, Black Panther comes to New York and prowls in the shadows.

A strong follow up to the two-parter, though not as exciting. The fights were not as interesting, but the action in general took backseat to the story and the character interaction. The conflicts here definitely were more authentic than in Justice League, and I like the fact that not everyone is getting along at first. Makes future development much more interesting. Wasp is definitely the friendliest one in the team, and is the most excited to be an Avenger. Her excitement just makes her adorable. And the approach they've taken with the Hulk makes for some interesting moments, such as his control from the Enchantress shown by Banner's "imprisonment".

Along with the nods and other characters around (Cap and Panther), and the Mandrill's use of phermones on an unfortunate female officer, another good episode. Hopefully, it continues to stay or rise in quality.

5/5

NEXT WEEK:The Avengers find the legendary Captain America, a supersoldier from World War II who was believed dead after a battle with the Red Skull on the Artic Sea. And he is found not too soon, as Baron Zemo strikes!

[Baron Zemo]

Though that does kind of makes me think; one of the issues I do kind of have with the relationships is that i don't understand why Hank and Janet are together. I mean they are supposed to be lovers like in other incarnations? and yet at the same time i see nothing that really brings them together... Hank doesn't seem to have really any interest beyond science, and Janet is just wants to have fun and doesn't even have a passing interest in Hank's only interest... Frankly i just don't see what she would see in him.

i hear things don't work out in the end in the comics, but if that's something the writers want to explore (the rise and fall of their relationship), it won't work so well if we don't really believe they were in love in the first place
Hank's interests (science vs superhero) may change a bit when he inadvertently creates one of the most horrific villains the world has ever seen

[Venom Melendez]

I just caught this one. Hmmmm... I guess I'm in the minority here, because I really wasn't as impressed with this episode as much as everyone else was. I'm enjoying this series, but when I start reading about how great it is and how it's better than the Justice League, I start thinking how wrong that is. This is just my opinion, and I'm sorry, but I don't think this is better than Justice League -- not even JL's first season, which is regarded as the weakest season. As a matter of fact, I can't help but compare Avengers: EMH to the first Ultimate Avengers movie, which I realize is a different animal altogether, but I think is a better interpretation, despite how much liberty is taken with the characters.

I think one of the problems I'm having with this series, and especially this particular episode, is the level of humor throughout it. It just seems a bit too frequent and too forced at times. It's almost as prevalent as the level of action it has, but not as necessary. Sometimes I'm reminded of Marvel Super Hero Squad while watching it, and I really don't want to think of it as that just for older kids. I think the first few episodes (the micro-series) before the breakout and the team-up were actually stronger than the last three epsiodes. They just seemed a little bit more serious in tone to me.

I disagree, the humor is working well with the action and it's certainly isn't forced. Also, this show is certainly better than the UA movie and this show is a better interpretation.

I also don't see why you have a problem with people saying how great it is or that they think it's better than the first season of JL. Frankly, i think this show has been excellent so far.

I certainly appreciate that they have to work at being a team.



NEXT WEEK:The Avengers find the legendary Captain America, a supersoldier from World War II who was believed dead after a battle with the Red Skull on the Artic Sea. And he is found not too soon, as Baron Zemo strikes!

NEXT WEE

Awesome, he's one of My favorite Cap villains.

It's certainly on Avengers fans have been waiting for.

[Spider-Sense]

It's easily better than JL's first season so far.And there's still much room for improvement.I'm sure it'll only get better.
Anyway,I'm not here to compare it to other shows.I'm glad Marvel finally came up with an awesome toon,with so many possibilities!

[redlion]

Personally, I like the humor so far. It's reflective of the type of humor that has always been a part of Marvel comics since it's beginning. It isn't too distracting and it doesn't take away from the seriousness of the action and peril that the heroes are in. Besides, Wally West was always the comic relief in JL and that series had it's fair amount of humor also. The Great Brain Robbery comes specifically to mind.

I just hope it doesn't degenerate into the outlandish over the top humor of some of the early episodes of JL. I really don't want to see an episode of Tony singing "Am I Blue?" while Thor has been turned into a pig or something and I certainly don't want the team turned into a bunch of kids either.

[.c.h.r.i.s.]

I thought that might have been some kind of lazer sight on the gun.

[Munkiman]

I just caught this one. Hmmmm... I guess I'm in the minority here, because I really wasn't as impressed with this episode as much as everyone else was. I'm enjoying this series, but when I start reading about how great it is and how it's better than the Justice League, I start thinking how wrong that is. This is just my opinion, and I'm sorry, but I don't think this is better than Justice League -- not even JL's first season, which is regarded as the weakest season. As a matter of fact, I can't help but compare Avengers: EMH to the first Ultimate Avengers movie, which I realize is a different animal altogether, but I think is a better interpretation, despite how much liberty is taken with the characters.

I think one of the problems I'm having with this series, and especially this particular episode, is the level of humor throughout it. It just seems a bit too frequent and too forced at times. It's almost as prevalent as the level of action it has, but not as necessary. Sometimes I'm reminded of Marvel Super Hero Squad while watching it, and I really don't want to think of it as that just for older kids. I think the first few episodes (the micro-series) before the breakout and the team-up were actually stronger than the last three epsiodes. They just seemed a little bit more serious in tone to me.
I didn't see anyone saying that this was better than JL - more internal conflict on the team, but nobody said it was better, just different.

To each his own, but I can't see any similarity between the horrible humor of Super Hero Squad and the humor on this show. EMH, in my opinion, balances humor and serious drama very well. I couldn't get through ten minutes of SHS.

[macattack]

FTR, the episode where the Justice League got turned into kids wasn't that bad of an episode. It was actually a JLU episode for that matter. I don't expect that to happen here, though. "Kids' Stuff" did the concept good enough.

I don't think the humor is that distracting. It's not memorable but not distracting and doesn't detract from the show. Humor when it's utilized well can be beneficial, and while EMH's humor isn't spectacular it doesn't hurt the show at all.

As long as they don't hire the writers of the 90's Incredible Hulk cartoon's second season . . .

[Azeke]

I guess we can debunk the whole "guns over Nazi" rumor. That "gun" the policewoman used on Mandrill glowed.
Speaking of. Is that Jean DeWolff?

I don't know much about the character, i just know about her because she was a tertiary character in SSM.

[redlion]

FTR, the episode where the Justice League got turned into kids wasn't that bad of an episode. It was actually a JLU episode for that matter. I don't expect that to happen here, though. "Kids' Stuff" did the concept good enough.

I don't think the humor is that distracting. It's not memorable but not distracting and doesn't detract from the show. Humor when it's utilized well can be beneficial, and while EMH's humor isn't spectacular it doesn't hurt the show at all.

As long as they don't hire the writers of the 90's Incredible Hulk cartoon's second season . . .

Actually, it's more a matter of opinion how good Kid's stuff was. I'm glad you liked it, I didn't care for it at all.

[Rick Jones]

After rewatching this episode, I think Loomis' voice has grown on me a bit, kind of like the theme song did. I'm not in love with it or anything but it seems to fit a little better now (in my head at least).

[Bat-Fan Beyond]

I disagree, the humor is working well with the action and it's certainly isn't forced. Also, this show is certainly better than the UA movie and this show is a better interpretation.

I wasn't much of a fan of Mark Millar's Ultimates, which I thought was too extreme of a take on the characters, but I did like what was done in the first Ultimate Avengers movie (I hated the second one), which was to adapt Millar's story, yet bring the characters back a bit to being more like their original noble counterparts in The Avengers and not as obscene, gritty and extreme as the were in The Ultimates.

Like I said, part of what I like more about the Ultimate Avengers movie, as opposed to Avengers: EMH, is its serious tone. I think that Avengers: EMH is certainly a more faithful interpretation of the characters in classic form, but I don't necessarily think it's a better one -- At least not for my taste. I understand that Avengers: EMH is going to be lighter in tone because it's an all ages show for televison, and I wouldn't expect otherwise, but I just don't feel it's as great as some are saying. And maybe the humor isn't as forced as I've said it was, but it's certainly utilized more often than I prefer.



I also don't see why you have a problem with people saying how great it is or that they think it's better than the first season of JL. Frankly, i think this show has been excellent so far.


On the contrary, I don't have a problem with people saying how great it is; I just don't agree with it. But that's just my opinion. Don't get me wrong, I am enjoying the series, and I don't mean to sound as if I'm pissing on it or raining on anyone's parade, I just don't feel as strongly about it as some others do, especially when compared to Justice League.

[W.C.Reaf]

Well there was more than that... like the whole deal with Huntress and the Question. There's probably some small things that i just don't recall too well.

Damn I forgot about the Huntress story. That's what I get for talking about a show I haven't seen in ages at 2:30am.


I just caught this one. Hmmmm... I guess I'm in the minority here, because I really wasn't as impressed with this episode as much as everyone else was. I'm enjoying this series, but when I start reading about how great it is and how it's better than the Justice League, I start thinking how wrong that is. This is just my opinion, and I'm sorry, but I don't think this is better than Justice League -- not even JL's first season, which is regarded as the weakest season. As a matter of fact, I can't help but compare Avengers: EMH to the first Ultimate Avengers movie, which I realize is a different animal altogether, but I think is a better interpretation, despite how much liberty is taken with the characters.

Well until you said it no one was saying this episode was better than JL, just that the team interaction was better.

[Bat-Fan Beyond]

Well until you said it no one was saying this episode was better than JL, just that the team interaction was better.


Maybe not in this particular thread, but elsewhere on this forum there were many who stated that the series so far is stronger than Justice League's first season.

[Blackstar]

Personally, I like the humor so far. It's reflective of the type of humor that has always been a part of Marvel comics since it's beginning. It isn't too distracting and it doesn't take away from the seriousness of the action and peril that the heroes are in. Besides, Wally West was always the comic relief in JL and that series had it's fair amount of humor also. The Great Brain Robbery comes specifically to mind.

I just hope it doesn't degenerate into the outlandish over the top humor of some of the early episodes of JL. I really don't want to see an episode of Tony singing "Am I Blue?" while Thor has been turned into a pig or something and I certainly don't want the team turned into a bunch of kids either.

Not to nitpick, but all of the episodes that you referenced were from Justice League Unlimited, which was made after the initial 2 seasons of Justice League. I didn't care much for those episodes either (except that I didn't think that "The Great Brain Robbery" or "Kids Stuff" were all that bad) but to be fair, none of those were early Justice League episodes.

[redlion]

Not to nitpick, but all of the episodes that you referenced were from Justice League Unlimited, which was made after the initial 2 seasons of Justice League. I didn't care much for those episodes either (except that I didn't think that "The Great Brain Robbery" or "Kids Stuff" were all that bad) but to be fair, none of those were early Justice League episodes.

Yeah, I realised that as I had made the post but those were some of the eps I thought of off the top that I didn't much care for so I included them. Correction duly noted.




It's alright if some people feel that way just like it's okay if you feel the opposite but one of the things you criticized A:EMH for was having too much humor. Yet, there were episodes of JL/JLU that had as much or even more humor and you seem fine with this. Maybe you didn't mean it to be but imo it's coming off as a double standard.

[Bat-Fan Beyond]

It's alright if some people feel that way just like it's okay if you feel the opposite but one of the things you criticized A:EMH for was having too much humor. Yet, there were episodes of JL/JLU that had as much or even more humor and you seem fine with this. Maybe you didn't mean it to be but imo it's coming off as a double standard.

That's true that there were many episodes with humor in Justice League, and I'm not totally against humor, but I think it was a lot more subtle and whenever it was the most prevalent in an episode it was much later after the series had established itself a bit more than Avengers: EMH has at this point. Heck, The Spectacular Spider-Man is laced with humor throughout, but it's actually good, well-written humor and perfectly suited for Spidey.

[Video Beagle]

Kind of an understatement. The most infamous moment of their relationship most likely will never see its way to this show.

But they reconcile and get back together (and he gets replaced by an alien, and she dies, but she'll be back and all is well). Comics!


Something I was very impressed with was how in the fight, Wasp and Enchantress didn't get matched up, but each was slugging it out with the guys on the opposite side.

[JTMarsh]

Very bittersweet episode with some funny bits here and there. I especially liked Thor calling J.A.R.V.I.S "Ethereal Voice".

As for the coupling of Hank Pym & Janet Van Dyne, well, maybe their relationship will be developed more as the season progresses. It definitely has that opposites attract vibe.

Looking forward to Captain America next week. You have to love that slightly John Wayne like drawl Brian Bloom uses in his Cap voice (you'd never guess he was Ultraman in Justice League: Crisis on 2 Earths).

[Venom Melendez]

That's true that there were many episodes with humor in Justice League, and I'm not totally against humor, but I think it was a lot more subtle and whenever it was the most prevalent in an episode it was much later after the series had established itself a bit more than Avengers: EMH has at this point. Heck, The Spectacular Spider-Man is laced with humor throughout, but it's actually good, well-written humor and perfectly suited for Spidey.

I don't know about subtle, it had just as much humor. Anyway, the Humor we've seen so far is your usual Avengers stuff.



Something I was very impressed with was how in the fight, Wasp and Enchantress didn't get matched up, but each was slugging it out with the guys on the opposite side.

Yeah, the guys didn't hold back on Enchantress.

[Crash]

I'm going to miss Hulk. Espescially his droll sense of humor. "Are you ready to get a watch?"

I'm liking pretty much all of these characters. But especially the Wasp. Flirty, flighty, in everyone's face or perchered wherever....Hulk's back, Thor's helmet... Fun character. ...Too bad I hate her costume. Hate it with the fire of a thousand suns. Its worse than her Ultron Unlimited outfit. Only marginally better than that cone-headed thing she wore when the series began...

But! Other than that, very enjoyable.

[Webbed-Wonder]

I'm going to miss Hulk. Espescially his droll sense of humor. "Are you ready to get a watch?"

I'm liking pretty much all of these characters. But especially the Wasp. Flirty, flighty, in everyone's face or perchered wherever....Hulk's back, Thor's helmet... Fun character. ...Too bad I hate her costume. Hate it with the fire of a thousand suns. Its worse than her Ultron Unlimited outfit. Only marginally better than that cone-headed thing she wore when the series began...

But! Other than that, very enjoyable.
I wouldn't worry about Hulk being gone for too long. He should be back on the team soon.

[Venom Melendez]

I'm going to miss Hulk. Espescially his droll sense of humor. "Are you ready to get a watch?"



He won't be gone for long. He'll obviously be back by the Gamma World two parter, if not before then.

[Spider-Sense]

He won't be gone for long. He'll obviously be back by the Gamma World two parter, if not before then.

Exactly.And we'll probably be getting glimpses of what he's doing while he's not with the avengers during the next episodes.

[90'sCartoonMan]

Great teaser, and I liked the way this episode slowed down a bit to show Avengers mansion and basically how this whole thing is going to work (tension with Fury's always good).

Thor continues to be my favorite, but I felt like Enchantress was able to subdue him a bit too easily. At least he wasn't out of the fight.

It seemed Tony was leaking coolant at an alarming rate. It almost looked like he needed to be patched up with some hot resin. It was a weird image, especially since he was fixed with Thor's lightning, but seeing Tony and Thor team up was cool.

Dug the Reed Richards mentions too, but having them talk about something so recent like the N-Zone prison was weird.


Maybe Cap and Tony should co-lead. Cap is a man completely out of his time - he has missed out on 65 years of cultural, historical, and technological development.

He's a natural field commander - and maybe he should be in charge of strategy against the villains, but when it comes to running the team, the mansion, public relations, the funds, etc., Tony makes more sense.

Captain America can be the leader and Iron Man can be the chairman.

[Venom Melendez]

Great teaser, and I liked the way this episode slowed down a bit to show Avengers mansion and basically how this whole thing is going to work (tension with Fury's always good).

Thor continues to be my favorite, but I felt like Enchantress was able to subdue him a bit too easily. At least he wasn't out of the fight.

It seemed Tony was leaking coolant at an alarming rate. It almost looked like he needed to be patched up with some hot resin. It was a weird image, especially since he was fixed with Thor's lightning, but seeing Tony and Thor team up was cool.

Dug the Reed Richards mentions too, but having them talk about something so recent like the N-Zone prison was weird.


Not really, the N-Zone prison is as recent as the Raft. Besides, what other prison would there be? The others were destroyed.


Captain America can be the leader and Iron Man can be the chairman.

Iron Man will probably stay as the leader for the time being. Cap needs to settle in the present first and he wasn't the team's leader right away.

[90'sCartoonMan]

Not really, the N-Zone prison is as recent as the Raft. Besides, what other prison would there be? The others were destroyed.

That's true. Ditto for the Big House, actually. I guess Marvel's classic prisons are the Vault and Ryker's Island (notice the spelling).

I think my reaction to that line is the loaded history the Negative Zone prison has with it, namely, that Richards, Pym, and Stark imprisoned villains there without the right to due process (since it wasn't on US soil), subjected them to inhumane conditions (some were unfairly imprisoned in the first place), and there was at least one suicide.

I like this show, and I'm hoping that was either a throwaway line or an idea for something different. I don't want to see them using the Marvel equivalent of Guantanamo Bay.

[Munkiman]

That's true that there were many episodes with humor in Justice League, and I'm not totally against humor, but I think it was a lot more subtle and whenever it was the most prevalent in an episode it was much later after the series had established itself a bit more than Avengers: EMH has at this point. Heck, The Spectacular Spider-Man is laced with humor throughout, but it's actually good, well-written humor and perfectly suited for Spidey.
I think the humor is actually pretty realistic. The Avengers are serious in serious situations. There weren't many jokes in the Graviton fight because they were too busy getting their butts kicked across Manhattan. On the other hand, in this episode, they fight Mandrill and take a tour of the mansion. There isn't really any reason to be grim and serious - they're a bunch of new friends hanging out. It seems to me it'd be less realistic if they didn't crack some jokes - particularly Tony and Janet.

[CyclonatorZ]

I like this show, and I'm hoping that was either a throwaway line or an idea for something different. I don't want to see them using the Marvel equivalent of Guantanamo Bay.

Oh, I doubt it's a throwaway line, and if it does end up being a major plot point in EMH, then I'm sure they'll be toning it down significantly. I sure don't think Disney would allow one of their shows to generate controversy by depicting the Negative Zone as it was in the comics, anyway. :p

[macattack]

Avengers is TV-Y7FV. The Negative Zone will not be the way it is in the comics. Granted, the Avengers' violence makes me wonder why it isn't TV-PG but whatever.

[Monte]

That's true. Ditto for the Big House, actually. I guess Marvel's classic prisons are the Vault and Ryker's Island (notice the spelling).

I think my reaction to that line is the loaded history the Negative Zone prison has with it, namely, that Richards, Pym, and Stark imprisoned villains there without the right to due process (since it wasn't on US soil), subjected them to inhumane conditions (some were unfairly imprisoned in the first place), and there was at least one suicide.

I like this show, and I'm hoping that was either a throwaway line or an idea for something different. I don't want to see them using the Marvel equivalent of Guantanamo Bay.

Well one major reason to doubt the negative zone will turn out like that is the simple fact that in this version, Pym seems to be very concerned about curing and rehabilitating super villains... he would not allow such harsh conditions in their prison

[Venom Melendez]

That's true. Ditto for the Big House, actually. I guess Marvel's classic prisons are the Vault and Ryker's Island (notice the spelling).

I think my reaction to that line is the loaded history the Negative Zone prison has with it, namely, that Richards, Pym, and Stark imprisoned villains there without the right to due process (since it wasn't on US soil), subjected them to inhumane conditions (some were unfairly imprisoned in the first place), and there was at least one suicide.

I like this show, and I'm hoping that was either a throwaway line or an idea for something different. I don't want to see them using the Marvel equivalent of Guantanamo Bay.


This is being done for SHIELD and Fury clearly doesn't think think they can be rehabilitated.

Also, remember that Fury was keeping the villains in the last four prisons as well. It was clear SHIELD wasn't planning on releasing them. Heck, Grim Reaper wasn't given a trial if you remember.

Anyway, it's clearly not a throwaway line. I wouldn't doubt the heroes calling Fury out on it though.

[Manhunter]

Not really, the N-Zone prison is as recent as the Raft. Besides, what other prison would there be? The others were destroyed.

The Cube is still around, albeit now, most likely, as the Leader's makeshift base of operations.

As much as I dug the glimpses of Black Panther, I am concerned about what he'll bring to the team in this show. I can imagine they'd downplay his intellect somewhat. Also, I don't recall seeing any kind of technology in Wakanda, save for Klaw's blaster in "Welcome to Wakanda".

And am I the only one who wouldn't mind seeing a Hank/Jan/Hulk triangle (probably not what the producers have planned, mind you, but still...)?

[Venom Melendez]

The Cube is still around, albeit now, most likely, as the Leader's makeshift base of operations.

But the Cube was leaking radiation after the breakout (Which is why Hulk was trying to get Samson out of there). Harmless to Hulk's villains, but certainly not safe for anyone else.


As much as I dug the glimpses of Black Panther, I am concerned about what he'll bring to the team in this show. I can imagine they'd downplay his intellect somewhat. Also, I don't recall seeing any kind of technology in Wakanda, save for Klaw's blaster in "Welcome to Wakanda".


I don't think they'll downplay his intelligence at all and we did see some buildings.

[macattack]

There's just something disturbing about Hulk/Janet that I don't like at all. Bruce/Janet would be more understandable but Hulk/Janet makes me reach for the brain bleach. Unless Bruce starts showing up as more than a voice in Hulk's head I don't want Hulk and Janet anywhere near such a relationship.

[M.O.D.O.K.]

Are they even flirting? It's obvious Jan is fooling around, but Hulk doesn't necessarily return anything back. I also hope they don't go there, though.

[Silverstar]

And am I the only one who wouldn't mind seeing a Hank/Jan/Hulk triangle (probably not what the producers have planned, mind you, but still...)?

Nah, I don't see that happening. Janet's just being a good teammate, and Hulk clearly has no romantic feelings for Janet.

[Monte]

Are they even flirting? It's obvious Jan is fooling around, but Hulk doesn't necessarily return anything back. I also hope they don't go there, though.

Well sure Janet is just playing around, but does Hulk know that? Janet's antics could be mistaken as flirting. Hulk does not seem to be too responsive but considering he's based off rage and is very anti-social at this point in the story, that is not too surprising... the real question is how he will act when he rejoins the team and starts to feel comfortable with having all the other avengers around him.

no relationship will develop from it, Janet doesn't have feelings... but i would not be surprised if the Hulk develops a thing for her, so it might be something that Janet and Hulk will end up having to deal with.

[Venom Melendez]

There's just something disturbing about Hulk/Janet that I don't like at all. Bruce/Janet would be more understandable but Hulk/Janet makes me reach for the brain bleach. Unless Bruce starts showing up as more than a voice in Hulk's head I don't want Hulk and Janet anywhere near such a relationship.

Chill. If anything, they would have an "Odd friendship", but certainly nothing romantic.


Well sure Janet is just playing around, but does Hulk know that? Janet's antics could be mistaken as flirting.

This Hulk would certainty tell she's just playing around. He problem appreciates her being genuinely nice to him, but i doubt he has any romantic feelings.

[Monte]

This Hulk would certainty tell she's just playing around. He problem appreciates her being genuinely nice to him, but i doubt he has any romantic feelings.
Even normal people can have trouble telling the difference between friendly play and flirting... Not to mention that aside from Betty Ross (who we hae yet to see in this continiuty), Wasp is one of the very few females to show him any kindness and little-no fear which could easily count for something; it might also count for something else if you take into account betty might only be concerned for the hulk out of concern for Bruce, where as wasp doesn't know anything about bruce...

[trance2009]

Hulk already has a problem with Thor, and just tolerates everyone else. If he starts feeling something more for Wasp, and then starts to see Pym "steal" her away, that could be an interesting subplot.

[Bat-Fan Beyond]

I think anyone who thinks Wasp is flirting in any romantic way with The Hulk is just way off base.

I view her making faces at The Hulk as her being playful in an attempt to lighten him up and befriend him. It's a way of trying to gain his trust like someone who cares would do with a tempermental child who feels unloved. I think the relationship between Janet Pym and The Hulk could easily be viewed as being similar to that of Ann Darrow and King Kong or Jill Young and Mighty Joe Young.

[JTMarsh]

Did anyone else think that Kari Wahlgren's voice work as Amora the Enchantress sounded a little different from her previous effort in "Hulk Tramples Th- ahem, Hulk VS. Thor"?

[Monte]

I think anyone who thinks Wasp is flirting in any romantic way with The Hulk is just way off base.


that is not what anyone is saying (atleast i'm not)...
There is a HUGE difference between "Wasp is flirting" and "The wasp's playful antics might be MISTAKEN by the Hulk as flirting"
Of course she's just trying to be friendly... but just because a person tries to send one message doesn't mean that someone else won't misinterpret their message; Normal people make that mistake all the time

[Bat-Fan Beyond]

that is not what anyone is saying (atleast i'm not)...
There is a HUGE difference between "Wasp is flirting" and "The wasp's playful antics might be MISTAKEN by the Hulk as flirting"
Of course she's just trying to be friendly... but just because a person tries to send one message doesn't mean that someone else won't misinterpret their message; Normal people make that mistake all the time

Sorry, I misunderstood, but now I know what you're saying. Anyway, I still don't think that Hulk would mistake Wasp for flirting either. He might think she was trying to trick him into trusting her, but I don't think he'd think she was teasing him in any romantic or sexual way. Although, it would make for an interesting dynamic if we do see The Hulk start to become jealous of Hank Pym in some way.

[bigddan11]

Okay, I liked the voice of Eric Loomis when he was portraying the rick Tony Stark, but I still don't find his voice appropriate for Iron Man. It just sounds too whiny. I thought it was interesting how they had The Enchantress enter into Avengers. We all knew she could cause trouble with her magic. Ironically I'd like to see how she'd contend against Dr. Strange.

The destruction was toned down for this episode, but anytime you have the Hulk fighting you know there is going to be ground that gets completely uprooted and destroyed.

Perhaps it's me, but Ant-man/ Giant Man seems way too obsessed in his work at times. His distractions led to many villains escaping in the first one and led to Wasp getting beat up here. It'd be interesting to see what he and Tony could make working together though.

In the long run I actually liked this episode more than the premiere. There was foreshadowing of Captain America and Black Panther joining the squad, they caught one villain, and they introduced how there are many villains that weren't previously contained the Avengers will have to deal with in the future. I give it 4/5 and look forward to seeing how they fully have them form as a team.

The voice cast for the third episode is as follows:
Colleen O'Shaugnessey- Wasp
Rick Wasserman- Thor
Eric Loomis- Iron Man
Dawn Olivera- Pepper Potts
Fred Tatasciore- Hulk & Mandrill
Wally Wingert- Ant-man/ Giant Man
Phul LaMarr- Jarvis
Gabriel Mann- Bruce Banner
Alex Desert- Nick Fury
Kari Walgren- The Enchantress

[AlgeaX]

Sorry, I misunderstood, but now I know what you're saying. Anyway, I still don't think that Hulk would mistake Wasp for flirting either. He might think she was trying to trick him into trusting her, but I don't think he'd think she was teasing him in any romantic or sexual way. Although, it would make for an interesting dynamic if we do see The Hulk start to become jealous of Hank Pym in some way.

It's probably something of a moot point anyway since Hulk doesn't want anything more to do with any of the Avengers at the moment.

[Tommy Lawson]

Being unfamiliar with all the comic villains in the Marvel Universe, seeing a villain named "Mandrill" in the cold open made me think of the Maverick "Spark Mandrill" from Mega Man X. Considering how quickly Marvel's Mandrill was defeated, and how easily Spark Mandrill can be defeated in MMX, they could be switched and no one in either world would notice. :) Also, does Wasp's characterization so far remind anyone else of Irma from W.I.T.C.H.? To me, it is because of the "fun loving" attitude towards superpowers both have.

As for this episode, I really enjoyed the theme of this episode - that the Avengers are not instantly the ultimate superhero team and can just go out and crush all of the 74 villains in no time flat. I also liked how at the end, even after the influence of the Enchantress had waned, the Hulk still believes he is seen only as a monster - a sign the magic brought out feelings about the Avengers the Hulk already had, and the Enchantress was amplifying them and not just making him do things just because she said so.

[NightwingAngelo]

I've just finished watching the rest of the episodes up until this one.

Awesomeness all around!!! (I know 3-7 are just a compilation of the micro-eps, but it's still pretty cool.

As for Janet, I think the producers want to use her character as one that has the reaction the viewer may have in all of this.

All the 'this is oh so cool' kind of stuff you might want to say...? Yeah, they even got that in this show. ;)

By the way, loved Cap's shield in the end. Looking forward to it.

On a side note, is anyone else noticing the changes in the intro? Love it!

Love this show!

[Venom Melendez]

It's probably something of a moot point anyway since Hulk doesn't want anything more to do with any of the Avengers at the moment.


Yeah, but it's pretty likely he'll be back.

[Munkiman]

I've just finished watching the rest of the episodes up until this one.

Awesomeness all around!!! (I know 3-7 are just a compilation of the micro-eps, but it's still pretty cool.

As for Janet, I think the producers want to use her character as one that has the reaction the viewer may have in all of this.

All the 'this is oh so cool' kind of stuff you might want to say...? Yeah, they even got that in this show. ;)

By the way, loved Cap's shield in the end. Looking forward to it.

On a side note, is anyone else noticing the changes in the intro? Love it!

Love this show!
What changes?

[Baron Zemo]

They change the roster on that shot just before the title comes up. 1-5 showed all eight members while 6-8 showed just the big five.

[NightwingAngelo]

They change the roster on that shot just before the title comes up. 1-5 showed all eight members while 6-8 showed just the big five.

Yeah. It's only Iron Man, Thor, Hulk, Ant-Man and Wasp in some of them, and later on you see Captain Captain American, Hawkeye and Black Panther as well.

I wouldn't be surprised if the show makes the roster continue to grow as the season goes on. That would be pretty cool.

[dmxx116]

The Avengers go to their new headquarters the Avengers Mansion, the Enchantress play's with the Hulk mind thinking that the Avengers don't want him so it to the Avengers to free the Hulk from the Enchantress :

http://i.annihil.us/u/prod/marvel/i/mg/3/70/4cf595e604106.jpg

http://marvel.com/videos/watch/1652/the_avengers_emh_2010_season_1-_ep_8

[BigEclipse]

Was just watching this episode again and noticed the Enchantress and the Executioner casually walking down the street during the scene in which the Avengers meet up in front of the mansion. What makes it even more humorous is that they walk past just as Thor touches down. Classic!

[ShadowStar]

The magic consistency that this show has continues to show itself here. There hasn't been a single episode that I've disliked so far, and this is no exception. As I said in the "Breakout" thread though, I think the PAL, full-screen episode transfers look so-so and rather unimpressive, compared to the NTSC, widescreen transfers that America seems to be getting. The colour palette looks a bit too bright in the PAL transfers, believe me!

Anyway, that complaint is to do with the broadcast format, not the content of the episodes. On to the important stuff now: With the founding members in place, this episode proved to be the best yet. Thor is perhaps my favourite Avenger at the moment so I enjoyed seeing the Avengers pitted against two of his adversaries. However, I'm a bit confused by the bad blood between Thor and Enchantress since the latter had a look of remorse on her face in "Thor the Mighty" when Loki congratulated her for deceiving Thor.

I really enjoyed Enchantress's scheme and how it played on the fact that Hulk was the team's biggest outsider. It was definitely a shocker when Hulk flattened Wasp and almost proceeded to punch her - moments like this and Executioner's out of the blue attack on Iron Man came as a surprise. I find it promising that the writers are sticking fairly close to the source material (Hulk departing the fold early on), while also finding new ways to tell stories like this.

The opening scene with Mandrill was perhaps the weakest part of the episode. Sure, it was neat and meant to show off how powerful the team line-up is, but it's one of those scenes that really needs rousing music to make it feel epic... and that music never came. This show needs a better soundtrack. It's serviceable, but much like what we got in Wolverine and the X-men and Iron Man: Armoured Adventures, it's a bit sub-par.

I was quite happy with this episode on the whole. This could end up being the best Marvel cartoon if it doesn't let its quality slip.

[suss2it]

Anyway, that complaint is to do with the broadcast format, not the content of the episodes. On to the important stuff now: With the founding members in place, this episode proved to be the best yet.The founding members were in play since "Breakout". Cap isn't a founding member.
Thor is perhaps my favourite Avenger at the moment so I enjoyed seeing the Avengers pitted against two of his adversaries. However, I'm a bit confused by the bad blood between Thor and Enchantress since the latter had a look of remorse on her face in "Thor the Mighty" when Loki congratulated her for deceiving Thor.You can still be enemies with someone while being remorseful about it.

[ShadowStar]

The founding members were in play since "Breakout". Cap isn't a founding member.

What I meant is that this is the first episode where the founding members are all together at the beginning.

As for Captain America... he wasn't in this episode and I know that. I was referring to the other five.