WW's father

[Cere]

I'm kind of new to the JL scene, so humor me.

I was watching "Paradise Lost, Pt. II" tonight and heard Hades mention surprise that what's-her-name had a daughter. That got me thinking: who is Diana's father? Is it Hades?

[stwasm]

Originally posted by Cere
I'm kind of new to the JL scene, so humor me.

I was watching "Paradise Lost, Pt. II" tonight and heard Hades mention surprise that what's-her-name had a daughter. That got me thinking: who is Diana's father? Is it Hades?


From what I remember, Queen Hippolyta (sp?), molded Diana out of clay. Anyone out there, please correct me if I'm wrong, but that's the way I remember it.

[Mr. Peabody]

You are right. According to the Superfriends episode "Secret Origins of the Superfriends" Hippolyta molded Diana out of clay and asked Athena to bring her to life. And beside men are forbidden from Themyascara(sp?) (Paradise Island)

[bfmusashi]

So all the Amazons have been made from clay?

Jeez. They need to get some men on that island, fast...

[Ed Liu]

Howdy all,

Not all of the Amazons were made of clay. Just Wonder Woman, I believe. The Amazons are also immortal, eternally young, unknown to the outside world, and not prone to inner turmoil, so the issue of reproduction doesn't really enter into the picture. I'd direct you to a good Wonder Woman site for more info, but most of the ones I can find are dedicated to the Lynda Carter TV show and not the comic book. Anybody else got one?

Keep in mind that I'm going with the comic histories, which differ from the Animated Age in a number of respects, so all of what I just said might be wrong.

I did wonder if Hades was WW's father, though it makes that bit where he leers at WW just a wee bit gross. Then again, them Greek gods married their own sisters all the time, so I suppose it's possible.

-- Ed/Ace

[Mr. Peabody]

but how were the other Amazons born without men?

[Spider]

TheHuntressDiana,

I noticed you were on the boards tonight. Do you happen to know how old (roughly) Wonder Woman is? Also, I was asked this morning who the *youngest* member of Justice League is, and I didn't know. Thanks. :)

[Mr. Obsession]

But the big problem about Diana being made out of clay in the comics is that it doesn't mean squat in the animated series, unless it's stated as such in the series.

I mean it has been stated that the lasso is not the lasso of truth as it is in the comics.

In the comics Hawkgirl and Hawkman's wings are not organic, JL is providing evidence that for the animated universe they are.

In the animated universe Batman was around for years before Superman started his superhero career.

In the animated universe it looks like not only was Wally never Kid Flash, but he's the first Flash.

Brainiac is tied directly to the destruction of Krypton and Superman's origin.

Supergirl is neither Superman's cousin or a shape shifter.

J'onn doesn't have Martin Vision.

At one point in time Superman lost the trust of most of the people of Earth, has anything like that ever happened in the comics?

Bizarro is Superman's clone.

And the list goes on. Like I said above, anything from the comics doesn't mean a thing unless it's used in the animated shows.


While I have no doubt that the Amazons could be immortal, or at least very long lived, as WW did comment on the pottery by the Greek artist in the museum in "Paradise Lost" pt 1. Perhaps during ancient times the Amazons interacted with the Greeks and than at some point hid themselves from the rest of the world, we just don't know. The point is that Diana's father could be some random Greek (perhaps one of the heroes of Greek legend), or one of the Greek gods, or maybe she was just made out of clay (as in the comics). But until it says so in the show, we just don't know.

[Green Lantern]

Originally posted by Mr. Obsession
At one point in time Superman lost the trust of most of the people of Earth, has anything like that ever happened in the comics?

Bizarro is Superman's clone.See the KING OF THE WORLD story-arc for Superman losing the truth of the people on Earth, and Bizarro is Superman's clone in comics too, as seen in MAN OF STEEL and BIZARRO'S WORLD.

[Mr. Obsession]

Originally posted by Green Lantern
See the KING OF THE WORLD story-arc for Superman losing the truth of the people on Earth, and Bizarro is Superman's clone in comics too, as seen in MAN OF STEEL and BIZARRO'S WORLD. And that's exactly why I need to get back into comics. :p Care to spoil me about "King of the World". Spoil me I say!

[Mr. Peabody]

does anyone know how other Amazons were born?

[DarkLantern]

Originally posted by Sc00bYryaN
does anyone know how other Amazons were born?


All of the Amazons were made of clay.

According to George Perez’s Wonder Woman #1, the Earth goddess Gaea "collected" the souls of women who died before their designated time -- wrongfully killed by males -- and kept them in a cavren within Hades, the realm of the dead. The first of these souls were that of a 30,000 BC pregnant cavewoman (who was killed by her mate in a fit of rage) and her unborn daughter.

Around 1,200 BC, Artemis proposed to the Olympiam gods to create a new race of mortal humans, all female, so they could set an example to the rest of humanity that and women should be equals. Ares managed to get the proposal rejected, but Artemis wasn't one to take no for an answer, so she, along with Athena, Aphrodite, Hestia, Demeter, and Hermes, snuck down to Hades and released the female souls, where they were reborn from the clay of the ocean floor into the Amazons.

Hippolyta’s soul was the first to be “saved,” and the only one to have been pregnant in her previous incarnation. The child’s soul remained in the cavern, until Hippolyta eventually felt maternal yearnings. Through an oracle, Artemis instructed Hippolyta to sculpt a baby out of the clay on the shore of Themyscira, in which the fetal soul inhabited -- but not before the five goddesses and Hermes blessed it with various powers -- including strength, speed, wisdom, and the power of flight. The clay image became a real baby, and so Diana was born of the gods.

This does mean that Diana did have a father -- George Perez once referred to him as “Joe Caveman.”

Hopefully this answers all questions.

Dark Lantern

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“I’m used to being thanked when I save someone.” --Hawkgirl
“I’m not used to being saved.” -- Batman

[Spider]

Originally posted by DarkLantern



All of the Amazons were made of clay.

According to George Perez’s Wonder Woman #1, the Earth goddess Gaea "collected" the souls of women who died before their designated time -- wrongfully killed by males -- and kept them in a cavren within Hades, the realm of the dead. The first of these souls were that of a 30,000 BC pregnant cavewoman (who was killed by her mate in a fit of rage) and her unborn daughter.

Around 1,200 BC, Artemis proposed to the Olympiam gods to create a new race of mortal humans, all female, so they could set an example to the rest of humanity that and women should be equals. Ares managed to get the proposal rejected, but Artemis wasn't one to take no for an answer, so she, along with Athena, Aphrodite, Hestia, Demeter, and Hermes, snuck down to Hades and released the female souls, where they were reborn from the clay of the ocean floor into the Amazons.

Hippolyta’s soul was the first to be “saved,” and the only one to have been pregnant in her previous incarnation. The child’s soul remained in the cavern, until Hippolyta eventually felt maternal yearnings. Through an oracle, Artemis instructed Hippolyta to sculpt a baby out of the clay on the shore of Themyscira, in which the fetal soul inhabited -- but not before the five goddesses and Hermes blessed it with various powers -- including strength, speed, wisdom, and the power of flight. The clay image became a real baby, and so Diana was born of the gods.

This does mean that Diana did have a father -- George Perez once referred to him as “Joe Caveman.”

Hopefully this answers all questions.


Dark Lantern,

Very informative. Now I'm wondering if Wonder Woman has an actual quantifiable age, or whether she is timeless.... :)