Batman: The Brave and The Bold "The Last Patrol!" Talkback (Spoilers)

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Batman: The Brave and The Bold
"The Last Patrol!"
Original Airdate - October 8th, 2010
The outsider-heroes The Doom Patrol are pulled out of a hasty retirement when supervillains begin trying to assassinate them -- or perhaps re-unite them?

Comments?

[Toons4ever]

There's Silkly!

[Bunai]

lol Silky makin a cameo.
Animal-Vegetable-Mineral Man (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Animal-Vegetable-Mineral_Man)?


I actually had to Google that to see if it was true :ack:

[Game Freak 4]

Wow, these supervillains. What, did Detective comics went all out with these odd-balls? Was this part of the Silver-Age?

[Bunai]

Zahl is real villain... :mad: his presence and speeches make you wanna punch the screen.

[Mesousa]

More deaths?!

Whatever happened to this being the lighter series?

[A.Magik]

The Paris hostage situation was made for this episode, but indeed this is really how the original Doom Patrol died in the Silver Age, right down to the population 14 in the island. In New Teen Titans#15, Robotman (who, at the time, was the only survivor) and the Titans avenged their death by defeating Zahl (he shot at Robotman, the bullet ricocheted back, killing him).

[M.O.D.O.K.]

More deaths?!

Whatever happened to this being the lighter series?

Don't worry. The next new episodes should be wacky and comedic enough.

[c@rt00nguy26]

First, B'wana Beast now the Doom Patrol? http://toonzone.net/forums/images/smilies/crying.gif I can understand one person dieing but multiple people at the same time? This show is getting dark.

[batsy2]

That Zahl is such an evil evil monster. Killing an innocent woman and blowing up the Doom Patrol. That is horrible :mad:.

So yeah, I did not expect the Doom Patrol to actually die in this episode, but now I know why this episode is called "The Last Patrol."

"Rest Well Heroes, Rest Well" - Batman.

P.S. I enjoyed the Batgirl teaser and can't wait to see more of her in the future.

[Yojimbo]

Wow, these supervillains. What, did Detective comics went all out with these odd-balls? Was this part of the Silver-Age?Yes, Silver Age fan-service at it's best. Here's a list of Doom Patrol cover homages in the Doom Patrol montage:


My Greatest Adventure #81 "The Nightmare Maker" (http://dc.wikia.com/wiki/My_Greatest_Adventure_Vol_1_81)
My Greatest Adventure #82 "Three Against the Earth" (http://dc.wikia.com/wiki/My_Greatest_Adventure_Vol_1_82)
Doom Patrol #87 "The Terrible Secret of Negative Man" (http://dc.wikia.com/wiki/Doom_Patrol_Vol_1_87)
Doom Patrol #88 "The Incredible Origin of The Chief" (http://dc.wikia.com/wiki/Doom_Patrol_Vol_1_88)
Doom Patrol #92 "The Sinister Secret of Dr. Tyme" (http://dc.wikia.com/wiki/Doom_Patrol_Vol_1_92)
Doom Patrol #94 "The Nightmare Fighters" (http://dc.wikia.com/wiki/Doom_Patrol_Vol_1_94)
Doom Patrol #96 "The Day the World went Mad!" (http://dc.wikia.com/wiki/Doom_Patrol_Vol_1_96)
Doom Patrol #97 "The War against the Mind Slaves" (http://dc.wikia.com/wiki/Doom_Patrol_Vol_1_97)
Doom Patrol #99 "The Deadly Sting of the Bug Man" (http://dc.wikia.com/wiki/Doom_Patrol_Vol_1_99)
Doom Patrol #101 "I, Kranus, Robot Emperor!" (http://dc.wikia.com/wiki/Doom_Patrol_Vol_1_101)
Doom Patrol #105 "Honeymoon of Terror" (http://dc.wikia.com/wiki/Doom_Patrol_Vol_1_105)
Doom Patrol #110 "Trial by Terror" (http://dc.wikia.com/wiki/Doom_Patrol_Vol_1_110)
Doom Patrol #119 "In the Shadow of the Great Guru" (http://dc.wikia.com/wiki/Doom_Patrol_Vol_1_119)

All of DP's bizarre rogue's gallery: Animal-Vegetable Mineral Man, The Brain, Monsieur Mallah, Captain Zahl, The Arsenal, The Baron, Bug Man, Dr. Tyme, Mind Stealer, Mutant Master, and Mr. 103.

[theRedDeath]

The last five minutes were dumb and hokey, with people chanting "we are the Doom patrol!" and the heroes various reasons for saving the other island. Like any other hero would need to verbally rationalize why they would sacrifice themselves for innocents. Especially Robotman's line about "the Pharaoh". What? Is it too politically incorrect to specifically name the Exodus?

But the thing with the Paris hostage was really cool though, and deals with a often over-looked aspect of the heroic sacrifice angle. Where sacrificing yourself for a single innocent actually endangers more lives than if you just let that innocent die. I commend B&tB for exploring that idea.

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[Dreyfus]

Thought this was a good episode. Batgirl was great and so were all of the crazy Doom Patrol villains. I'm guessing part of the story took inspiration from Grant Morrison's run. I've never read Doom Patrol comics, but it always seemed like a fun concept.

EDIT: I was also surprised to see a commercial for a new channel called The Hub. I'd never heard of it before, but apparently it will be airing episodes of Batman Beyond.

[Yojimbo]

Thought this was a good episode. Batgirl was great and so were all of the crazy Doom Patrol villains. I'm guessing part of the story took inspiration from Grant Morrison's run. I've never read Doom Patrol comics, but it always seemed like a fun concept.

EDIT: I was also surprised to see a commercial for a new channel called The Hub. I'd never heard of it before, but apparently it will be airing episodes of Batman Beyond.Yup, the circus was from the traveling circus in the second/Morrison run of the series. Ben Jones revealed it was originally intended to adapt it but ended up with a generic one.


In "The Last Patrol!" was the circus from an issue of Doom Patrol (and if yes, which one)? (http://www.formspring.me/IdiotStyle/q/1179882855)

Originally I was going to make it the circus from issue 37 in the Morrison run, but that didn't really fit the story, so it's a more generic circus now.Link: Formspring reply (http://www.formspring.me/IdiotStyle/q/1179882855)


And yup, there's a thread for The Hub somewhere in the DC Animation forum.

[Grenzer]

Zahl is real villain... :mad: his presence and speeches make you wanna punch the screen.

Well considering Zahl is a former Nazi, it's pretty much a given that he's utterly despicable and has no reedeming qualities. Too bad they left Madame Rouge out of this episode; in the comics she and Zahl worked together to set up the Doom Patrol.

Plus, did anyone catch the Beast Boy cameo?

[trance2009]

They heard the gripes about this show being kiddie, and said "we'll show you kiddie."

[HEATXZ]

Awesome episode :anime:
Nice to see The Chief and Doom Patrol villains(Besides Brain) animated for the first time
Batgirl and Doom Patrol were great :anime:
It's so awesome to have my favorite DP villain AnimalVegetableMineralMan in the show :anime:
Shame that Mento and The Brother Hood of Dada are not in this episode
Sad that Doom Patrol died :(

[RoyalRubble]

The teaser with Batgirl was awesome. Hope to see more of her soon. :D

The episode was great; I only knew of the Doom Patrol from the Teen Titans series (not that much of a comic reader), so I was kinda surprised they didn't feature Beast Boy. But then again, if he was in the episode (apart from his cameo) he would have died as well. Hopefully he'll appear on the show eventually.
Also never heard of Animal-Vegetable-Mineral Man untill this episode. He seems pretty cool. But Zahl and the Arsenal were my favorite villains from this episode.
And I liked the conversation between Batman and Negative Man. :p

[Edward15]

You know, if this series is playing on events of the Silver Age, we just might see Beast Boy soon after this.

[Yojimbo]

Aside from even more villains like Madame Rogue, General Immortus, and Garguax, seems like the only person missing was Steve Dayton/Mento. They even had Osmond, Dayton's butler, for goodness sake! Simply amazing to see all these folk in the episode.

This goes down as my new favorite episode.

It was bittersweet to see the final issue of the Doom Patrol's first run animated.

[Radical]

Fantastic/nasty/sad episode,

The highlights:
Cool to see the return of Killer Moth by having his teaser role, I love his awesome creepy voice, hope to see him return soon.
Batgirl is hot/awesome which that original version of her rocks next to The Batman's.
I saw Silky, neat.
The Doom Patrol:The Chief, Elasti-Girl, Negative Man, and Robot Man are epic which their original designs are the most best.
Those freaky bizarre supervillains of the Doom Patrol's are pretty sweet which Dr.Tyme is more awesome than the Clock King.
Nice to see the return of The Brain/Monsieur Mallah.
Wooooow, I just saw Beast Boy's cameo!!!!!
Animal-Vegetable-Mineral Man is awesome, but the most weirdest/freakiest supervillain ever because of his superpowers:ack::D.
This Robot Man is an awesome jerkoff better than his Teen Titans counterpart.
The Arsenal is one cool robot supervillain next to Tornado Tyrant.
General Zahl is the true nastiest supervillain in the entire series, more eviler than Equinox/The Faceless Hunter.
The Chief's sad story on how the Doom Patrol part ways because of General Zahl killing an innocent woman was great/sad/evil!!!!!
Cool to see the Mutant Trio:Ur, Ar, and Ir, my top favorite freaky supervillains next to Dr.Tyme.
WOOOOW, I truely despise General Zahl for actually killing the Doom Patrol, GRRRRRR:mad:, but he's a true evil Nazi villain next to Red Skull(my top favorite Marvel supervillain).
R.I.P. Doom Patrol:The Chief, Elasti-Girl, Negative Man, and Robot Man, you'll be missed:crying::crying:, but geez, first B'wana Beast, now them which the series is taking a darker turn and that the writers are evil!!!!!
The people chanting for the Doom Patrol was such a nice/sad/touching moment.
I'm sad that Mento, Madame Rouge, The Brotherhood of Dada, and Elephant Man are not in the episode.

Mae Whitman was awesome as Batgirl!!!!!

[jph139]

Definitely a good episode. The Doom Patrol is odd to adapt - they're ridiculous (I mean, their arch nemesis is more or less a brain in a jar and his superintelligent gorilla lover), but also tend to be very serious. An acquired taste, but definitely a good fit for TBATB.

Ending was hokey, yeah, but I didn't mind it. "Four Heroes" actually sounds like a pretty good name for a town, to boot.

[Yojimbo]

that energy supervillain with the skull head is cool That was The Brain, actually. He used it once in the comics (issue 110). The giant purple robot that shot his body parts was also The Brain, too. :cool:

[Jacob T. Paschal]

More deaths?!

Whatever happened to this being the lighter series?

A few people dying doesn't necessarily make the series Batman: The Animated Series. People die in war, that's realistic. The war on crime...is a war. In true heroic fashion the Doom Patrol was allowed a heroic death. B'wanna Beast would be proud.


Now to off-set two consecutive heroic deaths they should toss in a really tragic death. Give viewers something unsettling to be angry over.

I say kill off Jason Todd!! :p

[Ultra8]

Well considering Zahl is a former Nazi, it's pretty much a given that he's utterly despicable and has no reedeming qualities. Too bad they left Madame Rouge out of this episode; in the comics she and Zahl worked together to set up the Doom Patrol.

Plus, did anyone catch the Beast Boy cameo?

Yeah saw it on the circus poster.:D Actually if you keep reading the posters the last one is for Dorothy Spinner another/later member of the Doom Patrol.

Really liked this episode, I've only heard of some of their villians but seeing them in action is equally parts freaky and awesome. The Arsenal, The Mutant Master and the infamous Animal-Vegetable-Mineral Man, wow they really fought some weird ones.
Kind of sad to see them go, but at least they went out like heroes..epicly- plus comic accurate.

[Gold Guy]

This episode was fine. It had its good moments, but the ending was kinda...cheesy. And at the end, Batman beat all those villains too easily.

[Rick Jones]

I was loving the episode but all of the speechifying at the end ("We Are All The Doom Patrol", etc) took away some of the emotional oomph out of the Doom Patrol's sacrifice (for me) because while it feels very much like TBATB, it just felt kind of hokey (to me). I still loved seeing the gang here; too bad, this was their only appearance in this show. I'd already known about how they died at the end of the Silver Age but seeing it play out here, kept reminding me of the ferry boat scene from TDK. I would love to see the Doom Patrol animated again, though I can't imagine where they'd show up.

[M.O.D.O.K.]

This episode's teaser shows a flashback of the first encounter between Batman and Batgirl, as she rescues him from the over-the-top Killer Moth. Batgirl recounts this, just as she and Batman are victims to the Penguin. A fun teaser, and I'm always happy to see Killer Moth animated again. And Silkie cameos are always good!

The main entry involves the Doom Patrol, a retired group of bizarre heroes. A number of their equally-weird enemies (including returning roles for the Brain and Monsieur Mallah) come after each member (the Chief, Elasti-Girl, Negative Man, and Robotman), but Batman stops these assassination attempts and reunites the group back. After the reunion, another one of their enemies, General Zahl, captures them and puts them in a trap as revenge for his last defeat: he rigs two islands to explode, one with the Doom Patrol and one with innocent civilians, and asks the Chief to choose in national television. Despite Batman's best attempts to save both, the Doom Patrol die in the explosion. The civilians mourn the Doom Patrol, causing Zahl to admit defeat. The villains are arrested, the other island renames its town after the fallen heroes, and Batman mourns them before leaving.

Wow, this was definitely an interesting episode. I say this, because it is such a serious, dark episode, dealing with, once again, the heroic death of the heroes, but also with the death of a civilian they failed to save, how it affected them, and a villain who was one arm-band away from being a full-blown Nazi. Perhaps my favorite of this, though, is Robotman's flirtation with suicide. It was done in a very subtle way, but still shocking to see in this show. Yet, this episode also adds Silver Age weirdness with villains like Animal-Vegetable-Mineral-Man and the Mutant Master. Definitely a strange mix, but it works well.

My only gripe with this episode, though, is the civilians chanting "We are the Doom Patrol!". This almost killed the dramatic ending for me, and it did seem cheesy. A mournful silence among the crowd would have been more effective, and would have had a greater impact.

5/5

NEXT WEEK: First, when assassin Ma Murder is in town, it is up to one of the most unusual heroes, the Haunted Tank, to take her down. Then, Booster Gold is still not over the death of his buddy, Blue Beetle Ted Kord. But when he travels back in time to hang out with him, it causes damage to the present. Now he, Batman, Skeets, and Ted must battle the insane Madniks and fix back time.

[Mesousa]

A few people dying doesn't necessarily make the series Batman: The Animated Series. People die in war, that's realistic. The war on crime...is a war. In true heroic fashion the Doom Patrol was allowed a heroic death. B'wanna Beast would be proud.

Now to off-set two consecutive heroic deaths they should toss in a really tragic death. Give viewers something unsettling to be angry over.

I find this ironic, as this was a week after the presumed death of Flash, only to be revealed that he basically went to another time.

[Rick Hodge]

Here's something about the teaser that I don't think anyone else thought of yet. Killer Moth was the villain in the Batgirl's first comic appearance "The Billion Dollar Debut of Batgirl", and the Penguin was the villain in Batgirl's first appearance on the Batman TV show, "Enter Batgirl, Exit Penguin". Yes, I do know that there was a promo that was made for the TV show involving Batgirl & Killer Moth that never aired on TV, but I'm not counting that one.

[Superpan]

Lots of death these past couple episodes. This show has definitely grown from just selling toys with a moral at the end. I must admit the hostage thing shocked me. That was one of the few plot twists that haven't been used in superhero stories.

Now, who's up for next week?

[Rick Jones]

Here's something about the teaser that I don't think anyone else thought of yet. Killer Moth was the villain in the Batgirl's first comic appearance "The Billion Dollar Debut of Batgirl", and the Penguin was the villain in Batgirl's first appearance on the Batman TV show, "Enter Batgirl, Exit Penguin". Yes, I do know that there was a promo that was made for the TV show involving Batgirl & Killer Moth that never aired on TV, but I'm not counting that one.
That's pretty cool stuff. I never got to read her debut comic issue but I did see Killer Moth play a big part in Batgirl: Year One.

[Anthonynotes]

I saw this one Friday, but only getting around to writing about it now... :-p

While not a huge fan of the Doom Patrol, I did enjoy the episode. Was hoping they'd show Beast Boy, but I guess not...

On to...

Old-but-amusing Comic Trivia!

The Doom Patrol: A group of misfit heroes whose public popularity, unlike the other DC heroes, was often questionable, but they banded together to stick it out and fight the good fight anyway, led by an intelligent man in a wheelchair. Yep, sounds a lot like a certain band of mutants over at Marvel, but it's not. ;-) Both were created about the same time, with the Doom Patrol first appearing in "My Greatest Adventure" (an old adventure comic title of DC's) #80 in 1963. The DP was created by Arnold Drake (who also created Deadman), Bob Haney (the writer of many of "Brave and the Bold"'s Batman stories plus the 60s Teen Titans books), and Bruno Premiani (a minor artist).

The members seen tonight are the team's founding/original members:
- Robotman: Cliff Steele, a race car driver whose body was damaged in an accident, with his brain placed in a robotic body to survive.
- Elasti-Girl: Rita Farr, a Hollywood actress who gained powers from a strange volcanic gases that allow her to change her size at will. (Yep, her name and powers are similar to "The Incredibles"'s Elastigirl, to the point Pixar got permission to use such for the film, but referring to Helen as "Mrs. Incredible" in comics/merchandise).
- Negative Man: A test pilot exposed to strange radiation that left him radioactive (hence the bandages all over his body), but with the ability to send out a "negative energy" projection from his body; however, he can only survive out of his body for a limited time.
- The Chief: the leader of the Doom Patrol, Dr. Niles Caulder was a disabled genius who used his wealth/resources to gather together/create the Doom Patrol, to show the rest of the world they were still capable of doing good even as "freaks."

Re: the villains:
The posters above summed up the others well, but since someone asked:
Animal-Vegetable-Mineral Man: First appearing in Doom Patrol #89 in 1964 (the title was renamed from "My Greatest Adventure" to that), and created by the DP's creators, AVM is as the episodes says, a guy whose body parts can turn into any type of, well, you know. Apparently he got that way by falling into a vat of "amino acids" (per WIkipedia: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Animal-Vegetable-Mineral_Man). Um, yeah.

And for the cold opener:
Batgirl: Barbara Gordon, the daughter of Gotham City commissioner James Gordon and a Gotham City librarian, was attending a costume party dressed as a "female version of Batman", when she saw Bruce Wayne the victim of an attempted kidnapping by Killer Moth. Using her athletic skills/prowess, she managed to save Bruce (who presumably couldn't swing into action then and there himself), and decided to take up crimefighting as Batgirl. While she was "women in refrigerator"-ed in the late 80's story "The Killing Joke" (crippled by the Joker for no reason... per the Joker's gradual shift to being the one-note Freddy-Krueger-in-clownwhite he is these days...), the 90s books made her an Internet/computer guru named "Oracle." Barbara's managed to have a better/less maimed career outside of comics at least, as she's been an animated series staple since Batman:TAS in the 90s (though she appeared in the 60s Filmation Batman cartoon as well).

Barbara first appeared in "The Million Dollar Debut of Batgirl" in "Detective Comics" #359 in 1967, and was created by Carmine Infantino (the artist on the Batman book in the mid-to-late 60s, to give it an updated look over the 50s/early 60s era that Batman:TBATB evokes) and Gardner Fox (yep, him *again*!).

Killer Moth: A two-bit criminal who adopted the identity of Killer Moth as a means of becoming an "anti-Batman", offering his skills and abilities to criminals for hire, etc. Killer Moth became a sporadically recurring foe of Batman (and got actual moth-powers in the 90s). KM first appeared in "Batman" #63 back in 1951, and was created by Batman co-creator Bill Finger and Bat-book artist of the time Lew Schwartz.

Next week:
Something about Batman's occasional disguise, Matches Malone?

-B.

[Dreyfus]

Here's something about the teaser that I don't think anyone else thought of yet. Killer Moth was the villain in the Batgirl's first comic appearance "The Billion Dollar Debut of Batgirl", and the Penguin was the villain in Batgirl's first appearance on the Batman TV show, "Enter Batgirl, Exit Penguin". Yes, I do know that there was a promo that was made for the TV show involving Batgirl & Killer Moth that never aired on TV, but I'm not counting that one.

One reviewer also noticed that some of Batgirl's dialogue was taken directly from her appearance in the 1960s Batman.

[Yojimbo]

One reviewer also noticed that some of Batgirl's dialogue was taken directly from her appearance in the 1960s Batman.They didn't lift this Doom Patrol cover for the episode, but while I was looking up those covers, I noticed a very familiar robot. Remember on Justice League's "Legends" Part Two when Ray Thompson conjured that giant red robot at the end? Well, he's from the Doom Patrol comics #86 (http://dc.wikia.com/wiki/Doom_Patrol_Vol_1_86) and 93 (http://dc.wikia.com/wiki/Doom_Patrol_Vol_1_93) and named Rog (http://dc.wikia.com/wiki/Rog_%28New_Earth%29). Sounds like James Tucker may be behind that one but it's cool that I'm still learning new things about past shows through new shows. :cool:

[Dreyfus]

I would have never noticed that, especially since I was pretty freaked out by the mutant/psychic child at the time.

[Yojimbo]

I would have never noticed that, especially since I was pretty freaked out by the mutant/psychic child at the time.:p Well, if it wasn't the freaky mutant boy, you got the giant evil robot mental construct suddenly trashing your headquarters mental construct. Life ain't easy in the Multiverse.

[90'sCartoonMan]

...wow.

Well, I guess this episode really did give us that outcast non-celebrated hero Doom Patrol flavor. They managed to cram a lot in here. While not all that familiar with the Doom Patrol, I can't help but compare this to their appearance on Teen Titans. It was different, but hey, Silkie and Beast Boy cameos!

Finally, Batgirl! That was a lot of fun, I like how she got nostalgic by being in a death trap.


More deaths?!

Whatever happened to this being the lighter series?

I feel like the light tone allows them to do dark stuff like this. Heck, I thought this series got dark when it showed the most tragic death of the Waynes ever.



I'd already known about how they died at the end of the Silver Age but seeing it play out here, kept reminding me of the ferry boat scene from TDK.

Same here. Still powerful.


Yep, sounds a lot like a certain band of mutants over at Marvel, but it's not.

Honestly, the Doom Patrol remind me more of the Great Lakes Avengers than the X-Men.

[Yojimbo]

I asked J.M. DeMatteis a few questions about the episode and he was really kind to answer them and shed some more light (http://www.jmdematteis.com/2010/10/hello-i-must-be-going.html?showComment=1287062766113#c1374286460243021686). If anyone else wants to ask questions, you can just post them in the comments section of his blog entry and he'll answer them. You don't need an account. J.M. DeMatteis' Creation Point (http://www.jmdematteis.com/)

1) Did you pitch this episode to the producers or did they come to you and ask if you had time to write a DP script?

1) The producers came to me with the idea, which is the way these things work most of the time. I end up expanding the plot in the form of a detailed outline, but it almost always starts with an idea they want to do and some kind of general framework/structure for those ideas.

2) Was that group of Doom Patrol rogues always decided on from the start or were other villains like Madame Rogue, Garguax, Green-Headed League, The Claw, or King of Dinosaurs considered at one point while writing?

2) The rogues were decided from the start.

3) Why were Mento and Beast Boy excluded? Or was it just it would have been too much faces in a crowded episode? (I even thought it was cool that Osmun appeared with Elastigirl in what looks like the Dayton Estate)

3) The episode was dealing with the classic, earliest iteration of the Doom Patrol, so that's why the other characters were left out.

4) Was the fight with Killer Moth and the scene with the Penguin supposed to take place years between each other, or both recently happening?

4) I'd say at least a couple of years apart, since the idea was that Batgirl was waxing nostalgic about her first meeting with Bats...and they were clearly pretty chummy during the Penguin scene.

[Ultra8]

Wow! Wasn't expecting the producers to be the ones behind the picks for the Doom Patrol's rogues that showed up.:eek: Guess I have them to thank.

[Dudley]

Cheesy or not, I almost cried at that ending.
I love this show. I laughed at Elasti-girl just lounging and refusing to fight.

[Kryten]

Yeah saw it on the circus poster.:D Actually if you keep reading the posters the last one is for Dorothy Spinner another/later member of the Doom Patrol.

Really liked this episode, I've only heard of some of their villians but seeing them in action is equally parts freaky and awesome. The Arsenal, The Mutant Master and the infamous Animal-Vegetable-Mineral Man, wow they really fought some weird ones.
Kind of sad to see them go, but at least they went out like heroes..epicly- plus comic accurate.


Flex Mentallo (a bit player from the Morrisson run) and Shasta the Living Mountain (a joke character from the Doom Force one-shot, talk about obscure!) could also be seen on the posters.

[Yojimbo]

Flex Mentallo (a bit player from the Morrisson run) and Shasta the Living Mountain (a joke character from the Doom Force one-shot, talk about obscure!) could also be seen on the posters.So that's who the strongman is. No wonder he's drawn in a Frank Quitely style.

Guess I forgot to post this, but Ben Jones made a post on his blog that talks about the various circus posters, a neat read: Doomed (http://hamfist.blogspot.com/2010/10/doomed.html)

[ShadowStar]

I think the pulling of the trigger in the flashback was cut from the UK airing. A bit unusual for that to happen since it was apparently included in the US airing. Oh well. Anyway, it was an excellent episode; one of the best this show has produced so far.

I actually thought it was great that there was uproar from the crowd when the Doom Patrol died, though the choice of words could've been better. ("We're all the Doom Patrol!" does seem a bit cheesy.) I did think that the reasons given by Elastigirl and Robotman for saving the civilians sounded a bit pretentious though.

[KillerMoth]

I did think that the reasons given by Elastigirl and Robotman for saving the civilians sounded a bit pretentious though.
In its defense, they're practically the same words spoken in the original comic where they die. I had the link about a month ago but it seems to have disappeared.

[ShadowStar]

On reflection, I think it's the last 5 minutes that make this such a great episode, rather than anything that came before them. Once General Zahl dives into his explanation of his plan to expose the Doom Patrol to the world, things get more interesting. Up until then, it's merely a good episode, but then the episode takes a daring twist.

Prior to that, it wasn't anything to marvel at: the teaser felt rushed, there was no explanation for Batman being at the Chief's house, it seemed out of character for Batman to practically bully Negative Man like that (I get that Batman was outraged at what Negative Man had reduced himself to, but he was unwilling to let the poor guy say his piece) and the Doom Patrol only really got to work as a team during the fight against the Arsenal.

Still, Animal-Vegetable-Mineral-Man was cool (I was hoping we'd see him), it was nice to see the Brain and Monsieur Mallah again, and Zahl proved to be a well written villain. The ending alone was enough to make this one of the most memorable episodes of this series.

[suss2it]

Another excellent episode. I really liked the Doom Patrol, they have a very X-Meny vibe to them, and I'm a big fan of the X-Men. My exposure to the Patrol is only from their appearance in the Teen Titans cartoon & the Secret Six/Doom Patrol crossover in the comics recently, and from what I saw they seem very strange and cool.

That decision to go after the General with the hostage did make sense, and even though it was a hard decision they had to do it, or let thousands die.

At the same time though it was nice to seem them come full circle, and sacrifice themselves to save those 14 people.

It sucks that they died in this episode, since I liked them and was looking forward to seeing them again. Maybe we'll see Beast Boy, Bumble Bee & Mento start a new Doom Patrol to honour them.

Speaking of their death, is it just me does this season have a lot of deaths in it? There's this one, B'Wanna, Spectre killing at least two guys, and the episode with Bats & Booster going back in time right before Blue Beetle bites it.

[RoryWilliams]

Another excellent episode. I really liked the Doom Patrol, they have a very X-Meny vibe to them, and I'm a big fan of the X-Men. My exposure to the Patrol is only from their appearance in the Teen Titans cartoon & the Secret Six/Doom Patrol crossover in the comics recently, and from what I saw they seem very strange and cool.

That decision to go after the General with the hostage did make sense, and even though it was a hard decision they had to do it, or let thousands die.

At the same time though it was nice to seem them come full circle, and sacrifice themselves to save those 14 people.

It sucks that they died in this episode, since I liked them and was looking forward to seeing them again. Maybe we'll see Beast Boy, Bumble Bee & Mento start a new Doom Patrol to honour them.

Speaking of their death, is it just me does this season have a lot of deaths in it? There's this one, B'Wanna, Spectre killing at least two guys, and the episode with Bats & Booster going back in time right before Blue Beetle bites it.

I think this show may have a high body count than even TAS! Though I honestly can't remember ANY deaths in that show. Didn't two of Penguin's henchwomen get killed by that Judge vigilante in the last ep?