Batman: The Brave and The Bold "Requiem for a Scarlet Speedster!" Talkback (Spoilers)

[James Harvey]

An all-new Batman: The Brave And The Bold episode debuts tonight at 7:00pm (ET) on Cartoon Network!


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Batman: The Brave and The Bold
"Requiem for a Scarlet Speedster!"
Original Airdate - October 1st, 2010

Comments?

[M.O.D.O.K.]

Is Cartoon Network REALLY skimping out on the episode info too? I've already watched this, but this poor treatment of the show is just inexcusable.

[Dudley]

Neat. This episode is written by Greg Weisman.
I'm not going to let Comcast's new changes to my basic cable line-up keep me from watching one of my fav shows!

[trance2009]

Yeah, this is definitely a Weisman episode. I like the respect he's giving the Flash legacy.

[c@rt00nguy26]

Great episode. The battle between Flash and Zoom was just awesome.

[HEATXZ]

Awesome episode :anime:
Great to see Geo Force,Halo,Kobra,and Zoom first time animated :anime:
and also Black Lighting and Katana in their original outfits and Metamorpho action
We got the awesome voice actor Steve Blum to play as Heatwave and Captain Cold :anime: and Zoom is played by John Wesley Snipp from The Flash TV Show
The action scene with Flash and Zoom was awesome :anime:

[theRedDeath]

Good episode. Not as GREAT as it was hyped up to be, but still quite good.

I didn't like how Barry was never really dead and was alive and well by the end of the episode. Barry's death is a huge part of Wally's characterization, and doing this death-fake-out episode kind of undermines any future development for Wally in the rest of the series or show's continuity.

It kind of reeks of DC's current agenda to bring Barry back into the mainstream and push Wally into the background, and I don't really like that.

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[Dudley]

Great episode. The battle between Flash and Zoom was just awesome.

It reminded me so much of a DBZ fight.

[AlgeaX]

Awesome episode :anime:
Great to see Geo Force,Halo,Kobra,and Zoom first time animated :anime:

Not to be nitpicky but didn't Kobra already show up in Batman Beyond?

[Jedigreedo]

Pretty enjoyable episode, especially loved the homage to B:TAS' Dreams in Darkness with Barry's "ghost" in the middle of the road causing Batman to lose control of the Batmobile. Anybody else think the bit with Barry and Zoom fighting while falling was a homage to Mortal Kombat vs. DC's freefall combat?

[Manga4life]

Very enjoyable episode of Batman: The Brave & The Bold tonight, I loved seeing all the different Flash's all together but it was especially special for me to see Jay Garrick as he holds a special place in my heart. All in all I gave the show a 4 on the poll, it was a great way to kick off a night of action on Cartoon Network and the episode told a fun story that was easy to get into, in the end that's all I need out of a cartoon. :)

[FightingDreamer]

Weisman makes a good fit for this show, and this is definitely a winning episode. Having John Wesley Shipp, who played Barry Allen on the short-lived live-action 1990s Flash TV show, play Zoom was a brilliant little in-joke, and Shipp backed it up with a great, menacing performance. The other Flashes were great too, although I'd like to see Barry again just to hear more Alan Tudyk.

The action and animation is, as always, great and the story has a nice moral about how wallowing in self-pity and guilt isn't too healthy in the long run. All in all, I love it.

[cuzin34]

good episode, it was good seeing all the flash's working with batman.

[Anthonynotes]

Fun episode, and nice to see Barry Allen in action and well-animated (vs Super Friends showing him in action but, erm, not-well-animated... plus powers he normally wouldn't have (able to *fly*?!)). Always did like Barry...

Other high points: Batman with superspeed powers (guess that "vibrate your molecules to move through walls" trick doesn't require much practice, as Bats does it right away); the Flash Museum, the Rogues getting mushy over the missing Barry...

And now, on to...

Old-but-amusing Cartoon Trivia!
Barry Allen: The longest-published of the various Flashes, Barry was Flash #2 (after Jay). First appearing in Showcase #4 in 1956, Barry is usually considered the first Silver Age hero (well, the Martian Manhunter aside).

Barry was a comic book fan, and enjoyed reading about the Golden Age heroes, including his favorite character, Jay Garrick. A police scientist in Central City, lightning struck a cabinet full of chemicals, with the electrified chemicals splashing on Barry. Gaining superspeed, he adopted as a heroic identity that of his favorite hero, the Flash. Some time later, he eventually met Jay, in the classic story "The Flash of Two Worlds" (where Jay was shown as living in Keystone City, Central City's counterpart on a parallel Earth later named "Earth-2", to Barry's "Earth-1". Post-Crisis, Jay and Barry live on the same Earth, and thus was just Barry's favorite old-time hero, though Barry still read Flash comics). Yep---Barry's a fanboy... ;-)

Barry was killed in 1985's "Crisis on Infinite Earths" storyline, with Wally taking his place as Flash in modern stories. Recently, they apparently brought Barry back.

Barry was created by Robert Kanigher (creator of Sgt. Rock and Wonder Woman's main writer in the 60s), John Broome (writer of various Golden Age DC comics, and creator of the Silver Age Green Lantern, Hal Jordan), and Carmine Infantino (the definitive Silver Age Flash artist).

Flash's Rogues Gallery:
Flash of course has his own gallery of villains; however, unlike Batman's, they tend to not be murderous, and usually stick to robbing banks or killing Flash. As seen in this episode, most of them enjoyed battling Flash (to the point of some of them retiring/going straight when Barry was replaced by Wally).

- The Mirror Master: First appeared in Flash #105 in 1959, Mirror Master uses various special mirrors that allow him to do, erm, all sorts of crazy teleportation/size-changing/etc. stuff. Created by John Broome and Carmine Infantino (though there's been several others, just using the original one here).

- The Weather Wizard: Mark Mardon was a criminal who escaped from prison, and tried to hide at his brother's house. Finding his brother dead, but working on some weather-generating-equipment, Mardon figured out a way to compress the stuff into the size of a wand. Dubbing himself the "Weather Wizard," Mardon went on to fight the Flash. (Yep, similar origin to the version on Superman:TAS, though with a few changes). First appeared: Flash #110, created by Broome and Infantino.

- Captain Boomerang: A criminal who uses various trick boomerangs to commit crimes/fight Flash. First appeared in Flash #117, created by Broome and Infantino.

- Professor Zoom: Flash's most dangerous foe, he first appeared in Flash #139 in 1963 (yep, created by Broome/Infantino too). Eobard Thawne was originally a criminal in the 25th century who found Flash's old costume in a time capsule, and figured out a way to gain super-speed from its residual energies. At first he committed crimes, but was stopped by a time-traveling Flash. Angered, he began to travel back in time repeatedly to take on Flash, as well as becoming obsessed with Iris. After (seemingly) killing her, he later tries to do so again to a second fiancee of Barry's in an early 80s storyline. In trying to stop him, Barry accidentally kills Zoom, which resulted in a torturous, long storyline about the Flash going on trial for manslaughter (which he's acquitted of and is then reunited with a still-alive Iris, just in time for "Crisis on Infinite Earths").

Post-Crisis, Zoom's backstory's been retconned 8 ways to Sunday---stuff about Barry having an evil twin brother he's a descendant of (don't ask), being related to something like 8 relatives of Barry/Wally (again, don't ask), etc. Better to not think about it... :-p

Other Flash tidbits:
The Flash Museum: First appearing in Flash #164 in 1965, the Flash Museum is a museum in Central City dedicated to its favorite hero (and those who're related to him/share the name). Various exhibits about his enemies, statues, and such are all displayed, as is the Cosmic Treadmill (since nobody without superspeed can use it). Presumably the Flash Museum was inspired by the Silver Age comics' "Superman Museum" (a similar museum in Metropolis, dedicated to Superman, apparently retconned away post-Crisis in favor of just one dinky stupid statue of Superman in a park...).

The Cosmic Treadmill: A treadmill that acts as a time-machine/dimensional-teleportation machine for anyone with Flash-type superspeed. Basically program in a destination, run along it, and it teleports you to that dimension or time-era. Traditionally, was used by Flash as an easier or more accurate way to time/dimension-travel (though he could do such on his own without the treadmill), and required him to maintain an "internal vibration" while in the other dimension or time-era; as soon as he'd "relax" the vibration, he'd return to his own era. (It doesn't apply to stuff or people he carried, say, Batman). Since it requires superspeed to get much use out of, it's useless for the average person (though a JLA-JSA teamup once saw Earth-Prime's Cary Bates and Elliott Maggin try to use it, to disastrous results), and thus is put on open display at the Flash Museum. The treadmill was first seen in Flash #125 by John Broome.

The Speed Force: An extradimensional energy field that was created by Mark Waid in the mid-90s Flash comics, as a catch-all explanation for how Flash-type speedsters were superpowered. Supposedly, all speedsters got their power from said "Speed Force," and if they ran too fash/felt "called" by it, would run and get absorbed by it into some speedster-"heaven", never to return. I hate the speed force (makes the various Flashes' origins/powers too generic, plus introduces some pseudo-spiritual "The Force" knockoff into what's supposed to be a science-fantasy setting), so glad to see it wasn't really used here (there's the "light speed dimension" of this episode, sort-of-similar but not-stupid ;-) ), just as the name of Zoom's hired goons. ;-)

The Dark Knight Strikes Again: Miller's early 2000s sequel to his 1986 "Dark Knight Returns" saw Flash being trapped by some villain as a one-person dynamo powering the east coast, similar to how Barry was used here.

Kobra: First appeared in "Kobra" #1 in 1976, he was created by Martin Pasko (Superman comic writer at the time) and Jack Kirby (creator of much of Marvel's core characters, plus Darkseid, etc. at DC). Basically a cult leader out to conquer the world, mostly seen (by me) as either a second-tier Batman and Flash villain:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kobra_%28comics%29

Next week:
A new episode titled "The Last Patrol." Not sure if that's the Doom Patrol, or their World War II characters or what...

-B.

[Yojimbo]

I want to thank whoever's idea it was to bring in Kobra for some animated redemption. Imo, they got pretty lame aside from "Curse of the Kobra." But adding in Naga and the whole Kali Yuga angle from the comics was awesome. And to spice it up, the Outsiders 3.0, with new members, Halo and Geo-Force. Geo-Force's accent was hilarious. "Even the odds, yes?" And the last line, "Bridge?", ah they still have a lot to learn.

But the main story, makes this the best Flash episode, imo. Through in the Flash Family and the Rogues…perfect; Grodd, Captain Boomerang, Mirror Master, Heatwave, Weather Wizard, Captain Cold, Jay Garrick, Kid Flash, Barry Allen, Professor Zoom, the Flash Museum, and the Cosmic Treadmill!

Favorite scenes had to be when Barry appears to Batman on the highway like a ghost, the final Flash vs. Zoom fight, and the Rogues tearing up at the sight of Barry. Favorite line, "When you're a Flash, all you need is a moment."

[Radical]

Awesome episode & my top favorite featuring the three Flashes,

The highlights:
Cool to see Kobra who was cool back in Batman Beyond.
It's always awesome to see the Outsiders which Black Lightning/Katana's original costumes are fantastic animated.
Geo-Force/Halo the new members are awesome as much as I love the sexy Halo who has a sweet costume design:anime:.
Funny that they forgot the destroy the bridge with Kobra's soldiers coming, hehehe.
Nice to see Gorilla Grodd, Captain Boomerang, and Mirror Master.
The Flash(Barry Allen) is awesome which he finally comes, yaaaay!!!!!
Cool to see my two favorites, Captain Cold/Heat Wave along with the return of Weather Wizard with a different classic design than the one from Night of the Huntress.
Sweet to see the Golden Age Flash(Jay Garrick) and Kid Flash.
It's nice how the Flash's arch-enemies miss him besides Jay/Kid Flash.
Funny that they call Jay, Geezer Flash, hahahaha.
Poor Kid Flash gone to emo/angst mode.
Cool to see Professor Zoom who's the next best evil doppelganger next to Owlman:D:D!!!!!
Jay's story was sad from what happened to poor Barry during his clash with Professor Zoom.
Cool to see the Cosmic Treadmill, a great time-traveling device.
Nice that Professor Zoom is another villain to rule the future, hahahaha.
Batman's speech to snap out of poor Kid Flash's guilt trip was nice.
Yaaay, Barry is alive which he's captured by Professor Zoom, a big shocker.
Batman having the Flash superpowers was cool.
Cool to see the three Flashes working together which they are an amazing team.
The Flash(Barry Allen) vs. Professor Zoom was SO EPIC which is funny how Barry beated him:D:p.
So funny how Captain Cold/Weather Wizard/Heat Wave were happy to see Barry, hahahahaha.

Steven Blum was awesome as Captain Cold/Heat Wave, he does a fantastic job with every cool villain he voices.
John Wesley Shipp from The Flash 1990 series was epic as Professor Zoom.
After this episode, I'm hoping for a Flash series for the future.

[HEATXZ]

Not to be nitpicky but didn't Kobra already show up in Batman Beyond?
I didn't think that they were the same character since the Batman Beyond Kobra was from the future

[Anthonynotes]

Hmph, knew I was forgetting a character (or three)....

Captain Cold: Leonard Snart was an ordinary criminal who discovered the means of creating a freeze gun that allowed him to freeze objects down to absolute zero (which in real life is impossible, but it's a comic, so...). He donned a costume and became Captain Cold, usually the leader of the Rogues' Gallery (when assembled as a group). Cap first appeared in "Showcase" #8 (Flash's second appearance) in 1957, and was created by Broome and Infantino. I'll note Cold appeared a few years before Batman foe Mr. Freeze (aka "Mr. Zero") was created... plus the Golden Age Flash had his own occasional nemesis-of-freezing, the Icicle.

Heat Wave: On the opposite end of the freezing track of Capt. Cold is this guy, who uses a protective suit and handheld flamethrower (plus knowledge of heat/fire) to commit crimes. Occasionally reforms. Heat Wave first appeared in Flash #140, and was created by Broome/Infantino.

Geo-Force: A member of the Outsiders in the comics, Geo-Force is actaully Prince Brion Markov of the small country of Markovia, and possesses various strength, flight and earth-manipulation powers. Geo-Force first appeared in "Brave and the Bold" (first series) #200 (the final comic in that series' run; the "team-up" wasn't one, but a story about the Golden Age/Earth-2 Batman and the modern Batman), and was created by Mike W. Barr (one of the main Batman writers in the 80s, and co-creator of the Outsiders team) and Jim Aporo (one of the main Batman artists of the 70s/80s, and also co-creator of the Outsiders).

Halo: A superheroine with various light-based energy powers. Her backstory seems complicated (reincarnations, etc.). First appeared in "Brave and the Bold" #200 as well, and thus also created by Barr/Aporo.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Halo_%28comics%29

-B.

[Yojimbo]

-B.I liked how they pulled in the Timmverse Kobra designs, brought the Kali Yuga angle from the comics, and there was Lord Naga, leader of Kobra, freaky facial hair and all. ;) All that was missing was his crazy lover and the Blackadders.

[M.O.D.O.K.]

First, we got to see the new and improved Outsiders team as they fought the likes of the terrorist cult, Kobra. In addition of working better as a team and gaining new costumes, they add new members Halo and Geo-Force. An OK teaser, and I appreciate that the Outsiders are getting more character development, but I never cared much about them. Same for Kobra.

Second, we are treated to our main story, as we see Batman, Jay Garrick, and Kid Flash (Wally West) all seeing the ghost of the Flash (Barry Allen), who died in a freak accident after a battle with Professor Zoom. His death has affected both Flashes, who become estranged, and even the Rogues, a group of Flash's villains. Batman deduces that the "ghost" is coming from all the way to the 25th century, now ruled by a powerful Zoom. They discover Flash is used as a power source for Zoom and his guards. All three Flashes are captured and used by Zoom to increase his powers, but Batman escapes and frees the Flash family, leading to a final showdown between Barry Allen and Zoom. The heroes return to their own timeline and fight the Rogues, who are overjoyed that Flash has returned.

A very fun episode, and a strong premiere for the second half of the season. Greg Weisman manages to pay respect to the character and his mythology by putting as many references and easter eggs, while at the same time, delivering a fun, well-written adventure. This episode embraced the zany, crazy side of the Flash mythos (Rogues man-crushing on Barry, anyone?), while at same time, dealing with mature themes such as death, guilt, and responsibility. Plus, it was good timing for this episode after the Starro saga, since we just had someone die last week, so this is a fresh breath of air.

Now to mention the Teen Titans just got a new member with Kid Flash.

5/5

NEXT WEEK: Barbara Gordon starts out her career as Batgirl, as she rescues Batman from the theatrical Killer Moth. Then, the retired, depressed Doom Patrol comes out of retirement when their villains return to try to kill them. But is there something more going on than it seems?

[the greenman]

Okay, this was a great episode. Probably/definitely my favorite FLASH animated ep ever. Loved all the references.

The more I think about it, though I understand the dislike for Barry Allen on these boards, his rogues gallery makes the character. It's alot like Batman where Batman is just as crazy as his enemies and they are each a pyschological reflection of him. I get the feeling if straight-laced scientific-minded Barry Allen has a bunch of loosey-goosey funny super villians, then the whole thing just works.

If they do the Flash cartoon series like this show, I'll watch.

[RoyalRubble]

Great episode; loved the final fight between Flash and Professor Zoom. Interesting they used John Wesley Shipp from the 90s live-action Flash series as Zoom. (Speaking of Zoom, isn't this his first animated appearance?)

Other highlights were seeing some of Flash's rogues missing him and seeing the Flash museum again.
The teaser was also good; I assume Kobra will be back in future episodes.

[Jacob T. Paschal]

Pretty good episode. I've been looking forward to more legacy episodes.

Kind of miffed Barry's still alive, being the fan of Wally I am.

[90'sCartoonMan]

I love it, I love it, I loooooooove it! I'm such a Flash sucker, I've watched "Speed Demons", "Flash and Substance", and "Lightspeed" over and over again (and "A Mirror Darkly" a couple times), and this episode managed to surpass all of them in terms of giving us a glimpse of the Flash legacy and how they relate to each other.

Okay, we don't get to see Barry taking over as the prime Flash from Jay, but we get the idea that Jay "passed the baton" and both he and Wally look up to Barry as the THE Flash. Even the Rogues admired him in a strange way. Everything about this episode just worked, even acknowledging Grodd as a thorn in Flash's side (considering on this show he's mostly a Batman villain).

Zoom was awesome, and the casting was a stroke of genius. I loved the final fight with him against Barry, Barry's trick to beating him was clever.

Jay's had the most presence on this show, but I'd love to see Barry back, even if it's just in a teaser or shared spotlight. Heck, I want to see Wally back too. "Tell Nightwing I said hi".


Pretty enjoyable episode, especially loved the homage to B:TAS' Dreams in Darkness with Barry's "ghost" in the middle of the road causing Batman to lose control of the Batmobile.

That happened in Crisis on Infinite Earths too.


Fun episode, and nice to see Barry Allen in action and well-animated (vs Super Friends showing him in action but, erm, not-well-animated... plus powers he normally wouldn't have (able to *fly*?!)). Always did like Barry...

He was pretty cool in Justice League: New Frontier.


Favorite line, "When you're a Flash, all you need is a moment."

That was my favorite line too.


Hmph, knew I was forgetting a character (or three)....

Wasn't this Wally's first appearance too?

[Gold Guy]

(Speaking of Zoom, isn't this his first animated appearance?)



Yeah, I think so, although according to Wiki, he was referenced in JLU.

This episode was good. It was cool seeing the three Flashes work together, although Kid Flash was kinda annoying at times.

[capfan1]

I thought this episode was awesome!This is a great way to introduce a Flash series .It shows why the best Flash is Barry Allan.Hard to believe weisman produced a good show,anyway they gotta get a flash series going now!

[the greenman]

OT There will be Flash series, cause there's a Flash film in the works. It will be Johns darker take. I doubt the series will be though. But the film will connect to GL, so they have to do a Flash series.

[suss2it]

Yeah, I think so, although according to Wiki, he was referenced in JLU.

This episode was good. It was cool seeing the three Flashes work together, although Kid Flash was kinda annoying at times.Yeah, the Justice Lords version of the Flash wore Reverse-Flash's costume.

http://www.worldsfinestonline.com/WF/jlu/episodes/dividedwefall/Pan17.jpg

[Yojimbo]

Everything about this episode just worked, even acknowledging Grodd as a thorn in Flash's side (considering on this show he's mostly a Batman villain).It was. Now it all makes sense, without Barry Allen around, Grodd began to fixate on Batman rather than Jay Garrick and Kid Flash as a substitute arch-enemy.

Zoom was awesome, and the casting was a stroke of genius. I loved the final fight with him against Barry, Barry's trick to beating him was clever.


Wasn't this Wally's first appearance too?Yes, it was. I guess he was constantly running too fast for Faceless Hunter to attack and ambush...

[Anthonynotes]

Yes, it was. I guess he was constantly running too fast for Faceless Hunter to attack and ambush...

Hmph, back to the well once more (thought Wally'd already shown up; oh, well...):

WALLY WEST: The nephew of Barry's girlfriend/wife Iris (and thus considers Barry an uncle as well), Wally West was originally a kid for whom Flash was his favorite hero. While visiting Barry at work one day, Barry arranged for Flash to make a "special appearance" to amuse Wally, even demonstrating how his origin happened. By sheer coincidence (typical for comics), Barry's origin repeated itself, with lightning striking the same cabinet of chemicals and splashing Wally with them, giving him superspeed as well. Wally thus became "Kid Flash", Barry's sidekick, and got to live his dream of being like his hero, the Flash.

Wally would eventually join the various incarnations (including the original) of the Teen Titans and grow up. After "Crisis on Infinite Earths" killed off Barry, Wally took over his role as Flash. At first acting juvenile and living a flashy lifestyle (so to speak), Wally grew up in the 90s comics and became more of his own hero (plus the Speed Force junk being attached to him in particular as well), including getting his own permanent girlfriend/wife. Wally's been the main Flash used since the late 80s in the comics, though didn't appear in animation as Flash until "Superman:TAS" and later "Justice League" (Wally did appear in the 60s Filmation Teen Titans and Flash shorts as Kid Flash). However, his personality in JL (and other animated appearances/the Johnny DC comics like "Super Friends") usually seem loosely based on the early post-Crisis Wally (more carefree/juvenile than his 90s self was). Post-Crisis comics also retconned/added more angst to Wally (trying to fill in his late mentor's shoes, dysfunctional parents vs the average-acting ones pre-Crisis, his girlfriend/wife Linda seemingly kidnapped every third storyline, etc).

Wally, as a speedster, has all the crazy-superspeed-powers Barry has, and thanks to the Speed Force showing up every third panel since the mid-90s, even moreso as Flash. Wally also has his own fanbase by now, though Barry still has fans, albeit tending to be older readers at this point. (For me, I read Wally's books in the 90s, and thought he was OK, but still like Barry better... (shrug))

Wally first appeared in Flash #110 in 1959 (making him a character that appeared quite early on), and was created, like Barry, by John Broome and Carmine Infantino. (Hmm... a whole week where Gardner Fox isn't mentioned, though since he's the creator *of* Flash to begin with, via Jay, plus wrote some Silver Age Flash tales, including the famous "Flash of Two Worlds" tale, I guess he still counts...).


-B.
Hoping he hasn't forgotten anyone *else*...

[RonDrakenfan17]

Me being a Flash fan am just happy to see Flash on screen again, its very rare to see him these days :p I had a real blast with this one, seeing the entire Flash gang was cool and I liked how all the villains missed him that made me LOL. The action in this was fun, I enjoyed the battles. Over all, fun episode, makes me kind of wish for a Flash series but whatever.

[Ultra8]

This was a good episode for Flash fans, wasn't expecting Steve Blum to voice some of the rogues and i'm even more surprised to find out that Prof.Zoom was voiced by the guy who played the Flash back in the live-action show. That was some neat info.
Liked the intro with the full Outsiders team(with Original costumes no less[though they were wearing them in the Starro 2-parter]), I'm a little disapointed they didn't keep Katana's purple costume from the comic cover [link to site removed], but that's just me.:sad::D

4/5 stars

[AdamYJ]

Yay for Barry Allen! I know there are probably a lot of Wally West fans on this board, but Barry's my favorite Flash. He was the original "regular guy" of the DC Universe (at least, compared to Superman, Batman and Wonder Woman).

I loved the bit about the Rogues missing him. It seems that crime was just no fun without being able to match wits against the Flash.

[Otaku-sempai]

I liked the episode a lot. However, I would have loved it more it the super-speed fights had been better animated. Barry's and Zoom's punches seemed to be taking place in slow-motion compared to how they should have looked.

I know that this show doesn't have the same budget per episode as, say, the Superman/Batman: Apocalypse movie, but the fight should have looked a bit more like the showdown between Superman & Darkseid in terms of speed. Someone mentioned Dragonball Z. That's a pretty good example of how to use super-speed in a battle.

[Toddman]

Zoom was awesome, and the casting was a stroke of genius. ..

It was cool hearing John Wesley Shipp as Zoom, but it sounded as if they pitched his voice a bit higher than normal (perhaps to make it sound "faster"?).

I have to wonder if there was discussion by the Andrea Romano, James Tucker, et al. of casting Shipp as Barry Allen himelf. After all, in the JLU series Mark Hammill reprised his role as The Trickster from the live-action Flash show, so why not Shipp?

http://www.superheroeslives.com/dc/the_flash_ii_the_revenge_of_the_trickster_%281997%29/poster.jpg


Toddman

[the greenman]

I don't think they did reverse flash or professor zoom on the live-action Flash. I do remember an episode where they cloned Barry and the clone had a blue uniform, not yellow. I've always wondered why they just didn't use zoom.

[Superpan]

Well, with the exception of Smallville and the 60's Batman, most live-action superhero shows shy away from directly taking from their comic book counterparts.

I see another of Wizard's casting decisions has come true. Which will be next, I tell you? WHICH WILL BE NEXT!

Also does this episdoe take place before or after Starro? Just curious.

[Yojimbo]

It was meant to take place after the Starro Invasion but production wise, it falls between the two parter because it came back finished faster than the other.


It was cool hearing John Wesley Shipp as Zoom, but it sounded as if they pitched his voice a bit higher than normal (perhaps to make it sound "faster"?).

I have to wonder if there was discussion by the Andrea Romano, James Tucker, et al. of casting Shipp as Barry Allen himelf. After all, in the JLU series Mark Hammill reprised his role as The Trickster from the live-action Flash show, so why not Shipp?Maybe it was between Tudyk and Shipp and Tudyk won out, and not wanting to lose Shipp, Tucker and Romano decided that he'd be perfect for Professor Zoom.

[90'sCartoonMan]

-B.
Hoping he hasn't forgotten anyone *else*...

Looks like you got everyone this time, Brainy, thanks!


I liked the episode a lot. However, I would have loved it more it the super-speed fights had been better animated. Barry's and Zoom's punches seemed to be taking place in slow-motion compared to how they should have looked.

I'm not sure how I feel about that, I feel like they tried to keep the fight very much in line with how the fights are usually animated on the show.


I don't think they did reverse flash or professor zoom on the live-action Flash.

In one episode, Barry has to go undercover and uses the name "Professor Zoom".

[ShadowStar]

Why didn't Batman and the Flashes bring Zoom back to the present with them? I assume that he was thrown in jail in the 25th century, but he could escape and who would stop him? It's a shame that they can't undo his takeover of the city in that time period, but I'm guessing that Zoom wasn't in charge for that long.

I liked the originality of this episode's plot and its explanation for Barry Allen's absence in previous episodes. To be honest, this has got to be one of the least flawed episodes of the series - I can only find fault with the ending (Zoom's fate, as I said before). I hope we see Flash among the Justice League and Kid Flash among the Teen Titans in season 3. The teaser was the best showcase for the Outsiders yet - Katana's new look was really cool and I liked Geo-Force.

[adoptedBatpuppy]

Great Episode! I liked the interactions between 3 different Flashes.
ShadowStar: Why didn't Batman and the Flashes bring Zoom back to the present with them? I assume that he was thrown in jail in the 25th century, but he could escape and who would stop him? It's a shame that they can't undo his takeover of the city in that time period, but I'm guessing that Zoom wasn't in charge for that long.

To answer your question the reason as Batman would put it because it will mess up with the time zone continuity if they brought Zoom back with them to the present! ;)

[ShadowStar]

To answer your question the reason as Batman would put it because it will mess up with the time zone continuity if they brought Zoom back with them to the present! ;)

That's like saying that they were wrong to bring Barry back though. Barry was brought back to the present day, not the date of his disappearance or before that, and they could've done the same with Zoom.

[suss2it]

That's like saying that they were wrong to bring Barry back though. Barry was brought back to the present day, not the date of his disappearance or before that, and they could've done the same with Zoom.

Haven't seen this one in a while, but Barry originated from the present and was sent to the future, therefore he naturally belongs in the present. Whereas I think Zoom originated from the 25th century and therefore belongs there.

[Yojimbo]

Haven't seen this one in a while, but Barry originated from the present and was sent to the future, therefore he naturally belongs in the present. Whereas I think Zoom originated from the 25th century and therefore belongs there.Good point. The 25th century has jurisdiction over Zoom, it seems. I thought it would have been funny if they showed a cameo of Booster Gold and Skeets in one of the jail cells since Gold is from the 25th century, too.

[ShadowStar]

Anyone notice that two of Kid Flash's lines were done by Bumper Robinson? When he says, "He's not MY Lord Zoom!", and his line about Jay deserting himself and Batman, it's clearly Bumper Robinson instead of Hunter Parrish...

[Bobbywoodhogan]

I love the Flash whether its Barry Allen, Wally West or Jay Garrick I love them all (including Bart) and here we get all of them (except Bart) and its so awesome.

They take a sad moment from Crisis on Infinite Earths and spin it on its head. I loved the twist. The tension between Wally and Jay was good too. It was just a great episode overall.