Losing interest in following DC cartoons?

[CyberCubed]

I've been following DC cartoons since B:TAS in 1992, (and I watched reruns of Superfriends on CN back in the day) and followed every new series they made after nearly 20 years.

The problem now is I feel like most of these DC cartoons are re-treading themselves. Between all the reboots and the DC universe movies, I feel like I'm seeing the same stories over and over again, just told in different forms.

There's only so many times you can see Joker use laughing gas, Superman fight Darkseid, Lex Luthor become president, or the Justice League form before you say....how many times have I seen this already? Most of the DC universe movie line did stories that were also done in the DCAU (except for Under the Red Hood), and it feels like same old to me.

Does anyone else feel this way? Its the repetition of the constant reboots as well as the shows all adapting the same comic book stories in only slightly different ways, so you feel like you've seen everything already.

I hear they're making yet another Batman series after Brave and the Bold ends, and I really have no enthusiasm to follow it. The DC movie line has also lost its appeal for me. Does anyone else feel like its time to move on?

[DisneyBoy]

While I didn't follow Super Friends back in it's day, I have to agree with your sentiment - DC is getting boring for me. I think that's because they're mining the same old material over and over again. And also, I always kind of knew I'd lose interest once the DCAU wrapped-up.

That said, if they made a series just about Green Arrow, I'd give it a look. Or Nightwing. If they continue to branch out into the worlds of their supporting characters, then it would still feel fresh. But it's always Batman Batman Batman...

I will give the upcoming Green Lantern cartoon series a look, even though I'm not a huge fan of the characters. The Young Justice show might be interesting, with Greg W writing it.

But...yeah. I'm hoping they take more risks in the future with who they put in their starring roles. I'm dreaming, aren't I?

[mgr91686]

No, I don't feel it's time to move on. Every take on the DC universe offers a unique look into the the characters and the universe.

And each time it's enjoyable and fun to watch, even if some versions take a while to get used to


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That said, if they made a series just about Green Arrow, I'd give it a look. Or Nightwing. If they continue to branch out into the worlds of their supporting characters, then it would still feel fresh. But it's always Batman Batman Batman..

I would love a NIghtwing series, or at least a series that focused on Dick Grayson with Batman as a background character. (You know they would use Batman anyhow)


I will give the upcoming Green Lantern cartoon series a look, even though I'm not a huge fan of the characters. The Young Justice show might be interesting, with Greg W writing it.

I could not be less interested in Green Lantern, he's just never really grabbed my attention. But I am so looking forward to Young Justice.


But...yeah. I'm hoping they take more risks in the future with who they put in their starring roles. I'm dreaming, aren't I?

I want a show starring The Question, he is an endlessly fascinating character to me.

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[Bat-Fan Beyond]

I don't agree, CyberCubed, but if that's the way you feel there's another forum on ToonZone for Marvel fans if that suits ya.

[Bloody Marquis]

Move onto what? Honestly, this just sounds like the same "It's not the DCAU, so it sucks!" attitude I've been hearing for several years. Reboots make it inevitable that at least one story element will mirror another from a previous interpretation.


There's only so many times you can see Joker use laughing gas,Like BTAS wasn't guilty of this. :shrug:


Superman fight Darkseid,Which happened quite a lot in STAS.


Lex Luthor become president,The only time in animation where he ever actually became president was in Public Enemies and Justice League. That's just two times. And two completely different events that led up to their election.

[Yojimbo]

I've been following DC cartoons since B:TAS in 1992, (and I watched reruns of Superfriends on CN back in the day) and followed every new series they made after nearly 20 years.I, as well. And, no. I haven't gotten tired of it. Now that I'm older, I can 1) understand those references and homages and 2) I can better look at a show or movie through different lens of thought and conclude what I liked and didn't like a lot better than when I was younger.


The problem now is I feel like most of these DC cartoons are re-treading themselves. Between all the reboots and the DC universe movies, I feel like I'm seeing the same stories over and over again, just told in different forms.That's essentially Hollywood in general. There is nothing original, you just have to modernize and reinterpret what came before you.

[the greenman]

I was beginning to feel that way until I started getting into Batman: tbatb. They're taking on some really low key characters.

But Marvel seems to coming in with competition, though their animation crews are not quite as experienced. They do seem to be at least attempting to compete with hiring people like Greg Weisman and Paul Dini. If they someday snag Bruce Timm and Dwayne Mcduffie for Marvel u toons, the fanboys will be very happy.

As for DC toons, I agree, half of the dtvs have been retreads. But WW's film was great. GLs not so much, then they pretty much did it with new frontier which was great. They just need to open up the gates on more characters, and its a tricky thing to do. Fanboys may not support in force depending on the character or interpretation. Passerby fans will not support due to ignorance of the characters. This will lead the studios to hold back on ALL 2nd and 3rd tier characters thus the repetition of bats, supes, and jl.

DC has yet to pull off a BLADE type reinvention, where they've taken an older 2nd or 3rd tier character and present it in a new way. They have plenty of characters, but little courage to get them out there without regard or fear of fan backlash. No, Jonah Hex or Losers doesn't count for reinvention.

[Bloody Marquis]

DC has yet to pull off a BLADE type reinvention, where they've taken an older 2nd or 3rd tier character and present it in a new way. They have plenty of characters, but little courage to get them out there without regard or fear of fan backlash. No, Jonah Hex or Losers doesn't count for reinvention.
What are you talking about? DC's done it plenty of times with Sandman, the Doom Patrol, Animal Man, Swamp Thing, Black Orchid, etc. And it's happened in animation with the Question as well as the entire Fourth World.

[the greenman]

They've since disowned Swamp Thing due to his Vertigo connection. He is the only one that a lot of non-comic fans know. All the other characters you mentioned, you're regular average joe would not know about. Furthermore, they really haven't been reinvented anyway.

[Bloody Marquis]

They've since disowned Swamp Thing due to his Vertigo connection.And have since taken him back since he's supposed to appear in Green Arrow. And what does that have to do with anything?


He is the only one that a lot of non-comic fans know. All the other characters you mentioned, you're regular average joe would not know about.Where did you get that information? And frankly, obscurity doesn't change the fact that they're still reinventions.


Furthermore, they really haven't been reinvented anyway.
How so? :shrug:

[AlgeaX]

I'd recommend sticking around long enough to check out Young Justice at least. It's not a retread of any previous animated franchise, so it's bound to be unique and different.

[Bat-Fan Beyond]

I'd recommend sticking around long enough to check out Young Justice at least. It's not a retread of any previous animated franchise, so it's bound to be unique and different.


Based on what seems like a narrow view of what has been and can be done in DC animation, I'm thinking CyberCubed will still find something redundant about Young Justice.

[Toddman]

Move onto what? Honestly, this just sounds like the same "It's not the DCAU, so it sucks!" attitude I've been hearing for several years. Reboots make it inevitable that at least one story element will mirror another from a previous interpretation.

Yeah, but that's exactly the point of this conversation. Reboots unavoidably cover the same ground as what's been done before. The arguement that's being put forth stems from the potential loss of appeal that those common themes/origins/plot-lines bring with them.


Like BTAS wasn't guilty of this. :shrug:


Which happened quite a lot in STAS.


Again, that's the thrust of the topic. Many of those story elements have already been covered in the various DCAU series from multiple angles. And yet it's often presented yet again in the new DTVs. That's what emphasizes CyberCubed's feelings about redundancy.

Despite what you may believe, the point of this thread isn't about praising the DCAU cartoons in comparison to the recent DC Universe DTVs. Having said that however, the reality of the situation is that the DCAU shows had the advantage of serial storytelling which by its very nature necessitates fresh and unique scenarios - usually on a weekly basis.

While I've definitely enjoyed what the new line of DTVs has had to offer, I'm very much looking forward to the new Young Justice series to quench my thirst for a less familiar approach to the DC characters.


Toddman

[Blackstar]

I kind agree with the OP regarding Batman, but I haven't seen enough of Superman (or many of the other DC heroes, for that matter) on TV for me to be tired of seeing them.

[DisneyBoy]

To build on what Toddman and I have said...the following shows/DTVs have not been made and would be interesting:

-A Zatanna show (amazed it took DC so long to publish a monthly book with her)
-A Supergirl solo movie (something other than an origin story)
-A Wonder Woman show
-A Question show (X Files meets Batman anyone?)
-A Flash show (obviously, there's interest there)
-A Blackhawks show

I think the Legion show was a nice foray into less-explored DC territory. It's just a shame the series felt it needed Superboy to be the lead character. The Legion characters we saw on Smallville were interesting enough to potentially carry a series, I thought (well, except Saturn Girl, who was very 1 dimensional/silly in that episode).

[W.C.Reaf]

There's only so many times you can see Joker use laughing gas, Superman fight Darkseid, Lex Luthor become president, or the Justice League form before you say....how many times have I seen this already?

Well the Joker laughing gas is a staple of the character that was popularised in the Burton movie. Superman fought Darkseid about 5 times in DCAU and only once outside it. Luthor has only become president once and that was in Public Enemies not in the DCAU. We've only seen the JL formed twice, in JL and The Batman both with different line ups.

I'd love to see more variety in DC series but that's not going to happen while WB thinks only Batman can sell. It's no coincidence that we're getting a GL series when there's a movie coming out. It's also a bit too early to judge the new Batman series since we know nothing about it and they could do something different from the other series.

[SKDarkDragon]

I would love a NIghtwing series, or at least a series that focused on Dick Grayson with Batman as a background character. (You know they would use Batman anyhow)

Haha, I'd love that. :p Or Batman: Family kind of series would be right up my alley...

But seriously, I only just started getting interested in DC (mostly Batman) stuff earlier this year, so I'm definitely just getting started. I'm sure while I may be in the minority (as a 22-year old female), there are always new fans coming to the shows. I wouldn't want them to pack it in and say, "Okay, enough of that now, we've been doing this for 20+ years and it's getting old!" just when I'm getting started, and I'm sure there other new fans who feel similarly. There will always be new people to watch the shows.

If you see enough of something, it does start to feel rehashed a lot. (And with the glut of Batman media around, I can understand that already.) But I think that with good writing, good animation, and good characters/stories, any series can soar.

I'm definitely excited for Young Justice, and while I started off just having an interest in Dick/Robin's character, now I'm excited for Superboy, Kid Flash, and most of the other characters, too. I'd definitely go into it with an open mind, and you'll probably enjoy it!

[DerekPowers]

I've been following DC cartoons since B:TAS in 1992, (and I watched reruns of Superfriends on CN back in the day) and followed every new series they made after nearly 20 years.

The problem now is I feel like most of these DC cartoons are re-treading themselves. Between all the reboots and the DC universe movies, I feel like I'm seeing the same stories over and over again, just told in different forms.

There's only so many times you can see Joker use laughing gas, Superman fight Darkseid, Lex Luthor become president, or the Justice League form before you say....how many times have I seen this already? Most of the DC universe movie line did stories that were also done in the DCAU (except for Under the Red Hood), and it feels like same old to me.

Does anyone else feel this way? Its the repetition of the constant reboots as well as the shows all adapting the same comic book stories in only slightly different ways, so you feel like you've seen everything already.

I hear they're making yet another Batman series after Brave and the Bold ends, and I really have no enthusiasm to follow it. The DC movie line has also lost its appeal for me. Does anyone else feel like its time to move on?

I agree with some of your sentiment.

To speak specifically about the DCU dtvs (I dont give a rat's ass about the DC shows being churned out post "The Batman"), I also am left wondering WHY they choose the stories they choose. Almost every one has been done to death in the DCAU, and add to that the fact that many of the dtvs have the same voice actors, and Bruce Timm's design influence can still be strongly seen, I do often feel like its getting repetitive, and yes, even a little pointless.

I felt most strongly this way about the recent "Apocalypse". Been there, done that, to the point that I really felt it was totally pointless (to be fair it wasnt a bad movie, but the pointless feeling was a big flaw). With all the millions of stories they could tell, the countless DC material to explore, why do they keep doing things they already did in the DCAU?

IMO the best stories are the original ones, not based on comic book arcs and not repeating DCAU events, like "Wonder Woman" and "Green Lantern". They are both excellent movies in their own rights, two of the best movies to be released last year, imo.

Lets take a lookseee:

Superman/Doomsday: Brave New Metropolis, A Better World, Hereafter, Doomsday Sanction, etc
JL: New Frontier: Secret Origins, Legends, etc
Gotham Knight: Legends of the Dark Knight
WW: Excellent
GL: Excellent
Public Enemies: Season 3 of JLU
Crisis: Brave New Metropolis, Legends, A Better World, Initiation, Ultimatum, JLU Season 2
Red Hood: Return of the Joker anyone?
Apocalypse: Little Lost Girl 1&2, every STAS Darkseid ep, especially Legacy 1&2, Twilight, Fearful Symmetry, Ties That Bind, Far From Home, Alive and Destroyer

And thats just off the top of my head. Whats the deal???

Now, just for the record, I love the DCU dtvs, keep em coming, by all means, but I will always advocate for better work when I think things are getting sub-par or mediocre. I expect much more. I expect WW and GL quality movies, and thats just not what we've been getting.

Anyway, I really do love this line of films, but Im bewildered by their repetitive choices, and their seeming resistance to make original stories. Thats my biggest complaint so far.

Lets get another WW or GL please!! Those were great films, imo. When are we going to see a Flash DTV done with that kind of originality and care?

[KillerMoth]

Your examples seem rather flawed;


JL: New Frontier: Secret Origins, Legends, etc

How are these similar? Your basic take seems to be that the League coming together, and that 50's feel automatically make the stories similar, but really, this could be said about nearly every film in existence by that logic.


Gotham Knight: Legends of the Dark Knight

Again, not similar at all. Argue about the execution, but all these stories really have in comparison is several different takes on Batman. There's that one story of the kids interpretations, which does ring close to home, but ultimately that only accounts for 1/6 of the film.


WW: Excellent
GL: Excellent

Except by the logic of your other examples, Wonder Woman is a repetition as well. Ares starting a war between factions in order to heighten his own power, sound familiar? Because a JLU episode did it.


Public Enemies: Season 3 of JLU

You mean Luthor's preisdential campaign that was a farce in JLU? Here it was real, and led to a totally different story, so basically it was just the springboard for the plot that was similar.


Red Hood: Return of the Joker anyone?

And I'm just not getting this, something horrible happens to a Robin? Is that it?

[Bat-Fan Beyond]

@DerekPowers -

I agree with KillerMoth, Wonder Woman isn't any more fresher than any of the other movies you've listed as being repetitive, because some of those WW concepts were also used before in the Justice League/JLU series. Sure, the Wonder Woman movie expanded on those concepts, but that's also what all the DC Universe movies do when they revisit certain ideas.

If we want to really get into it, one could argue that Green Lantern: First Flight utilized a similar origin with Abin Sur in the Superman:TAS episode "Brightest Day." Sure, it wasn't Hal Jordan in that episode as it should have been, but it was still done before.

Either way, I don't have a problem with "repetition" -- or, as it should be viewed as, reinterpretations -- of the same themes, concepts, characters, or stories. That's what comics are about. As a matter of fact, that's what stories in general are all about, especially those that are classic and iconic. Telling them and retelling them for generations, every so often giving it a little tweak here and there to make it fresh.

When you ask what's the point in having another Supergirl story done in animation, I can only say because it's a different version of her origin done in a different style. Is it pointless? Only if you find entertainment to be pointless. Not everything is going to be to your liking. I don't much care for country music, but I wouldn't say it's pointless for people to wear cowboy hats and sing sad songs that are pretty much about the same things that have already been sung about before.

[DerekPowers]

I don't mean to sound ungrateful for these Dtvs. I've enjoyed most of them. But I have been wondering lately about how and why certain stories are chosen, and I've noticed some re-hashing of themes/story points, and perhaps "Superman/Batman: Apocalypse" really just put it over the top.

Maybe the New Frontier comparison is a stretch, but the others I dont think are. I don't think retelling stories or using familiar dcau themes has to be a bad thing, but when its so frequent, I'm left craving another WW or GL, which I dont think rehashed anything from the DCAU. They felt completely fresh, with new interpretations, new universes, new stories, etc. Compare that feeling with "Public Enemies", "Crisis" or "Apocalypse" and I think you'll get what I'm saying (I liked Crisis btw, and Apocalypse wasnt too bad, Public Enemies I didnt care for).

[Anthonynotes]

For me, part of the problem is way too much Batman. While I like the guy and know he's become DC's main cash cow, it's still rather tiring/one-note that every project/every other project from DC nowadays features/centers around Bats.

Besides more use of Superman (one of my favorite DC heroes), I'd also like to see more use of their secondary characters...

-B.

[Harlequinn]

Young Justice should be refreshing.

[adoptedBatpuppy]

Ok. I am losing interest but only a little..two reasons I came up with as to why... I'm a lot older then the age demographic these shows are based on, but that is not my main reason. The main reason is the quality of the shows which in my opinion has detiorated. Either storywise or artwise or both. and the repeat of the same material already mentioned by some people here. Cartoons aimed at kids but done right can still be enjoyed by both, kids and grownups alike.
Now...
I'm still planing to see how Young Justice and Green Lantern Corps turn out. I loved the short preview of Young Justice and how the show is going to be darker and different in mannerisms to what Teen Titans was.
Unfortunately, I hope in addtion to Cartoon Network getting these shows, I really hope WGN or other public prodcast also does because I do not have CN anymore :( :crying:

[suss2it]

For me, part of the problem is way too much Batman. While I like the guy and know he's become DC's main cash cow, it's still rather tiring/one-note that every project/every other project from DC nowadays features/centers around Bats.

Besides more use of Superman (one of my favorite DC heroes), I'd also like to see more use of their secondary characters...

-B.
More use of Superman? Have you checked out the DC Universe line?

Ok. I am losing interest but only a little..two reasons I came up with as to why... I'm a lot older then the age demographic these shows are based on, but that is not my main reason. The main reason is the quality of the shows which in my opinion has detiorated. Either storywise or artwise or both. and the repeat of the same material already mentioned by some people here. Cartoons aimed at kids but done right can still be enjoyed by both, kids and grownups alike.Which ones in particular do think deteriorated in quality? Because I think DC's latest toon, Batman: The Brave and The Bold is one of their best.


I'm still planing to see how Young Justice and Green Lantern Corps turn out. I loved the short preview of Young Justice and how the show is going to be darker and different in mannerisms to what Teen Titans was.
Unfortunately, I hope in addtion to Cartoon Network getting these shows, I really hope WGN or other public prodcast also does because I do not have CN anymore :( :crying:Unfortunetly I think that Cartoon Network and DC fall under the same umbrella of companies, so I don't think we'll ever have a DC toon on a different network.

[DerekPowers]

For me, part of the problem is way too much Batman. While I like the guy and know he's become DC's main cash cow, it's still rather tiring/one-note that every project/every other project from DC nowadays features/centers around Bats.

Besides more use of Superman (one of my favorite DC heroes), I'd also like to see more use of their secondary characters...

-B.
It is dissapointing to see the direction of these dtvs. There was a time when we thought we'd get a WW sequel with Cheetah, possibly a GL sequel, and more DTVs introducing us to DC heros we've never seen star in their own films before. The Flash seemed like it would be a likely choice, maybe Green Arrow, or Aquaman. But sadly, it seems thats not the direction, and all we're getting is Batman and Superman.

I'll keep watching, as I think overall they're enjoyable, but I want them to knock my socks off again.

[Silverstar]

For me, part of the problem is way too much Batman. While I like the guy and know he's become DC's main cash cow, it's still rather tiring/one-note that every project/every other project from DC nowadays features/centers around Bats.

I haven't started losing interest in DC projects yet, but I've had an issue with the over-saturation of Batman for some time now. I understand that you have to strike while the iron is hot, and Bats is one of their main moneymakers right now, no denying that, but does 9/10 of every animated DC project really have to involve Batman in some way?

I can deal with Batman, but not shoved down my throat.

[maczero]

I don't mean to sound ungrateful for these Dtvs. I've enjoyed most of them. But I have been wondering lately about how and why certain stories are chosen,I'd say it's pretty obvious why certain stories are chosen. It's because they're popular. I may be wrong but I'm guessing Jeph Loeb's storylines are like the summer blockbusters of comics. Plenty of action, big names but not much in regards to plot.

As for losing interest, I'm still excited. First, I haven't read a lot of DC comics so these adaptations are new to me. Second, similar stories don't necessarily mean bad to me. I thought "Green Lantern: First Flight" was a nearly flawless movie but I'd have to agree with those that called it "Training Day in space".

[Aaron]

DerekPowers said:
"Red Hood: Return of the Joker anyone?"

Then you said:

Your examples seem rather flawed;
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And I'm just not getting this, something horrible happens to a Robin? Is that it?

Really?! You're NOT getting this?

Not saying anything bad against this movie. I loved it.
But the similarities and parallels to both RotJ as well as MotP are astounding.

MotP: Batman fails to save someone he cared about from a horrible tragedy in his past. Now they've come back as a muderous vigilante, which results in a climactic showdown involving the Joker.

RotJ: Joker kidnaps Robin. His actions (torture and a microchip in one, murder in another) lead to future events wherein Robin and Joker create a hell of Batman's own making, where he must confront the tragedy of his past and save the day yet again.

Even stylistically, they're similar.
With the interspersed flashbacks slowly revealing the story to the viewer.
Hell I think even the action beats are in the same order.
Story line, exposition, flashback, action scene, return to batcave, more exposition, action scene, flash back, more storyline, action scene, flashback, exposition, action scene, return to the batcave, rinse and repeat.

How did you not get this?

[KillerMoth]

Really?! You're NOT getting this?
How did you not get this?
Calm down. This is only animation.

You'll forgive me for not going into in-depth analysis of the two films given that the argument I was going up against was a relatively mundane one. Yes, the films do follow similar beats upon further inspection, and do rely on flashbacks and Batcave exposition.

However, the latter part happens in pretty much every Batman story ever, and flashbacks is not a unique concept in his stories either. And while flashbacks contain a similar idea of Joker doing something horrible to a Robin, the climax of the films is under radically different circumstances. It's easy to say "Robin and Joker return to make Batman's life a living hell", but what actually happens to the characters, their motivations, the themes of the films, characters, etcetera are very noticeable different.

Ultimately, while you are correct in that they have similarities, which I did fail to elaborate on, your rather exclamatory post only emphasises my point, and why I was criticising DerekPowers' argument; Its easy to think all these films and cartoons are repeats when you only look for the similarities, similarities which contain different thematic purposes and situations anyway.

[Aaron]

Calm down. This is only animation.

You'll forgive me for not going into in-depth analysis of the two films given that the argument I was going up against was a relatively mundane one. Yes, the films do follow similar beats upon further inspection, and do rely on flashbacks and Batcave exposition.

However, the latter part happens in pretty much every Batman story ever, and flashbacks is not a unique concept in his stories either. And while flashbacks contain a similar idea of Joker doing something horrible to a Robin, the climax of the films is under radically different circumstances. It's easy to say "Robin and Joker return to make Batman's life a living hell", but what actually happens to the characters, their motivations, the themes of the films, characters, etcetera are very noticeable different.

Ultimately, while you are correct in that they have similarities, which I did fail to elaborate on, your rather exclamatory post only emphasises my point, and why I was criticising DerekPowers' argument; Its easy to think all these films and cartoons are repeats when you only look for the similarities, similarities which contain different thematic purposes and situations anyway.

It's cool.
I only got uppity because of the way you seemed to completely disregard his arguments.
Yes, they aren't identical. But they are similar. VERY similar.

I don't agree with his assertion that they are all repeats. For the very reasons you've listed.
But still. Really really similar.

[adoptedBatpuppy]

More use of Superman? Have you checked out the DC Universe line?
Which ones in particular do think deteriorated in quality? Because I think DC's latest toon, Batman: The Brave and The Bold is one of their best.

Unfortunetly I think that Cartoon Network and DC fall under the same umbrella of companies, so I don't think we'll ever have a DC toon on a different network.


I love Batman TBATB such funny episodes... Nobody, can beat Batman when he is singing and dancing! :p I'm not particularly fond of some of the animated direct release animation movies... In The Batman series before this one the artwork was well done...but the stories were lacking...except of course Paul Dini's writing...

The DC DVD line so to speak...Superman/Shazam felt a bit more then a little flat to me, and why did they release old shorts of Jonah Hex, Green Arrow and Spectre? How long does it take to make these shorts anyways? Wouldn't that be nice if WB decided to make 4 new shorts ot accompany Superman/Shazam release? :eek:

[suss2it]

I love Batman TBATB such funny episodes... Nobody, can beat Batman when he is singing and dancing! :p I'm not particularly fond of some of the animated direct release animation movies... In The Batman series before this one the artwork was well done...but the stories were lacking...except of course Paul Dini's writing...To me the only bad season of The Batman was the first and some of the 5th. Other than that the stories in the other seasons were enough to keep my interesting. Nothing really groundbreaking, but enjoyable nonetheless. I can see why people don't like that show much though.


The DC DVD line so to speak...Superman/Shazam felt a bit more then a little flat to me, and why did they release old shorts of Jonah Hex, Green Arrow and Spectre? How long does it take to make these shorts anyways? Wouldn't that be nice if WB decided to make 4 new shorts ot accompany Superman/Shazam release? :eek:Still didn't pick this up, but I believe the only way to recoup their money was to re-release those shorts too. I would've preferred them not to have already released the shorts before the collection because it gets rid of a lot incentive to buy it since there's only one new short, and since apparently the 'extended' cuts are hardly that.