Fish Hooks Series Talkback (SPOILERS)

[The Huntsman]

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Fish HooksI had contemplated making individual talkback threads, as I do for most of the shows that I really like, but I think a series talkback thread will suffice in this instance. I can't really judge the series based on one preview episode, and I sincerely hope that I actually enjoy the series quite a lot, but if it continues to be so similar to the Disney Channel's current shows then it may not be a good series for me. The episode tonight, "Fish Sleepover Party / Fish Out Of Water", premieres at 9:00 PM.

[Alec]

I already made a thread for this:
http://www.toonzone.net/forums/showthread.php?t=271878

[The Huntsman]

I already made a thread for this:
http://www.toonzone.net/forums/showthread.php?t=271878No. That's a pre-premiere discussion thread. This is a post-premiere discussion thread.

[Kiddington]

I said before that I'd give this a chance, but honestly... my hopes aren't very high.

Forget about the crew (which, by all accounts, know what they're doing) that's working on this; these guys are basically Disney's puppets. They do whatever Disney wants, and that's essentially another school-centered tweencom... only this time, in animated form.

Like I said, I'm going to give this as fair a shot as possible (about 3-4 episodes)... but after watching the preview episode again, I hated it even more the second time. One of the things that make a good cartoon are the VA's, and Kyle Massey's voice is like fingernails to a chalkboard. That aspect of the show needs a LOT of work.

[Alec]

No. That's a pre-premiere discussion thread. This is a post-premiere discussion thread.

I made it the pre-premiere thread because the series didn't premiere yet, these should be merged.

[Ed Liu]

I made it the pre-premiere thread because the series didn't premiere yet, these should be merged.
We have lots of pre-release/release talkback threads to distinguish between news about a show or movie before it comes out and for discussion for people who have watched it. Management of spoilers is one big reason for the split, and there are others. As a result, we will leave the series talkback separate from the pre-release talkback, and the threads will not be merged.

[Neomysterion]

I shall not forget to change the channel to Disney at 9PM!

I heard Maxwell Atoms did some marvelous writing for the show.

[The Huntsman]

I didn’t like the first segment at all, but the second segment was a lot better, especially once the cat showed up. I’ll give this show a few more episodes, but so far it’s more miss than hit.

[Sam Hill]

Someone needs to tell the people behind this show that the dialogue isn't the least bit funnier just because the characters scream them out as opposed to talking in a normal tone of voice. :shrug:

[Shawn Hopkins]

I don't like the title. It refers to the thing that is used to kill the fish and it's kind of ghoulish. It's like calling a show about cows sledgehammers.

[DjJuice5]

Heh, I like how some of guys are hoping upon hope that this sorry excuse for a cartoon will magically turn good after some time. If I were you, I'll cut my losses short now because it's not gonna happen. Like one poster said, it really doesn't matter how many talented people are working on this because they don't have the creative freedom to do what they want anymore like they did on CN. C'mon guys, it's pretty clear that this "Fish Hooks" is nothing more but a focus group creation, just like everything else on Disney Channel execpt for Phienas and Ferb.

Somewhere a couple of WB execs are watching fish hooks and are rolling on the floor laughing at Disney. Seriously, compare what WB animation is doing right now and their upcoming projects to what Disney is doing. It's just like the 90's all over again.

[Tech]

Heh, I like how some of guys are hoping upon hope that this sorry excuse for a cartoon will magically turn good after some time. If I were you, I'll cut my losses short now because it's not gonna happen. Like one poster said, it really doesn't matter how many talented people are working on this because they don't have the creative freedom to do what they want anymore like they did on CN. C'mon guys, it's pretty clear that this "Fish Hooks" is nothing more but a focus group creation, just like everything else on Disney Channel execpt for Phienas and Ferb.

Somewhere a couple of WB execs are watching fish hooks and are rolling on the floor laughing at Disney. Seriously, compare what WB animation is doing right now and their upcoming projects to what Disney is doing. It's just like the 90's all over again.

You're assuming all of this just because of 1 1/2 episodes?

People need to stop setting their expectations so high because of the crew working on it just for them to only have their emotions shot down to such a bitter taste just because it isn't the best show ever. And Phineas and Ferb is created for the exact same "focus group" as this show. Whether you like it or not, you're watching a kids show. This show also isn't "Billy and Mandy", or "Chowder". It's a completely different show from those. And how do you know that this show won't get better even if it truly does suck? Remember Billy and Mandy when it was "Grim and Evil". I thought it was just plain bad, but it got much better and become one my favorite shows in the mid 00's.

People are way too grim (no pun intended) on this show right away. Give it a chance people, I gave Camp Lazlo a half of a season chance before declaring it complete crap (Although I still respect Joe Murray and the crew. It just wasn't funny at all).

Now for my thoughts about this. I enjoyed it. Not the best show ever, but it's something on TV I can tolerate and enjoy watching. Even if you think the stories suck, you have to absolutely adore the Flash animation. It's flash done right.

[The Huntsman]

Perhaps the series won’t get better, but when you have this much talent working on it, it stands to reason that it will get better. I don’t hate Fish Hooks; I think it stumbled out of the gate, but if they can focus less on the typical school drama, I believe it will strongly rebound. I just learned that Mr. Warburton, another Cartoon Network veteran, was brought onboard to work on the series as well. The talent pool working on the series is massive.

[Sam Hill]

The talent pool working on the series is massive.

Then you'd think it show more. Sorry but this show seems horribly generic and unimaginative. It's the same show as The Buzz on Maggie only with fish instead of bugs. It even has similar character designs.

[Freedom Fighter]

I'm going to probably get slammed for this, but...

I actually liked the premiere a whole lot more than the preview episode we got. "Fish Sleepover Party" was hilarious for two reasons. Bea's best female friend, Chelsea/Shellsea, who pretty much inspired chuckles from me with every line. And Oscar, already seeing Milo's "dress up like girls to sneak in" idea coming, trying to shut it down before he can even say it... and he still gets roped in anyway. "Fish Out of Water" was a little more low-key, but a lot of the visual gags reminded me that Maxwell Atoms and CH Greenblatt and their crew was working on the show, just because of the some of the absurd images (admittedly, absurd for Disney, but probably normal for a Cartoon Network show). And the line about their male teacher being pregnant was hilarious, even though I knew it was a true fact beforehand.

If people would stop thinking this is a bad show because Disney Channel's standards are stricter than Cartoon Network's, they'd see there are things to like about "Fish Hooks." Now, granted, there's always the possibility my foot might have to go back in my mouth if the second full half-hour this week drops back to the quality of the preview episode.

Then again, maybe my tastes are a little more unorthodox than the general TZ public. After all, I'm one of the few people who actually liked The Buzz on Maggie.

Seriously. People complained about Phineas and Ferb being Disney's only in-house animated show for years, and then Kick Buttowski and this come along this year and everyone hates them. What do you people want from Disney, exactly?

[steet]

What do you people want from Disney, exactly? Easy : return to classic characters styles (or something close, Emperor's New Groove for example), stop being "all comedy" (Disney Afternoon series were so much varied than that!) and make content for all the family, not specific for teens or little kids.

I wouldn't mind them trying some "new" things like this series, IF there was some Disney series that would respect the company's legacy airing next to them.

[DjJuice5]

Seriously. People complained about Phineas and Ferb being Disney's only in-house animated show for years, and then Kick Buttowski and this come along this year and everyone hates them. What do you people want from Disney, exactly?

I would like for Disney to make quality toons again. IMO, there is no excuse being who they are and the resources that they have to be making mediocre drivel like Kick Buttowski. I mean c'mon, Kim Possible was just a few years ago for crying out loud. Now, I admit that maybe I was too harsh on Fish Hooks. I recently saw the second episode and it did have some redeeming qualities, but they can do better. When Avatar came out of Nickelodeon of all places, It was a better toon than anything Disney has done since Gargoyles. Disney should've been the first ones to say, " No, we aren't going to let someone else upstage us. Were Disney damn it! Are we the undisputed kings of animation or not?" and start a project that would rival Avatar in quality, perhaps a Mulan animated series or something.

[Neomysterion]

Man, this Fish Hooks series is awesome! This show (and Phineas and Ferb) are probably Disney's best toons since Darkwing Duck and Bonkers!

My feedback on tonight's episode:
Wow, Doris Flooris Gorgeous is real? I thought she was a figment of Oscar's imagination. This show's pretty good so far, and highly recommended, too.

Thumbs up, all the way! ;)

[Sgt.Frog]

Wow, talk about teaching the student teacher. Good call on getting Fish Hooks. I loved this episode, the fact Milo and Bea were so commited to their friend is sweet and made me like them more. Dorous Flous Gorgeous funny the whole scenario, cookies and roses from the oven was so funny. I am glad Disney doesn't air 11 minute premieres a whole episode is better. The football glory thing with Milo was funny so was the dance. The water scenes were cool, and Bea's football face nice job keep it up Disney. 8.0/10

[Freedom Fighter]

"Doris Flores Gorgeous":
- Hmmm... how do you know when you have two really good friends? They absolutely believe you when you lie that you have a girlfriend and do anything to make sure the two of you can get together.

"Underwater Boy":
- Milo would probably be a star athlete... if all of the sports in the world were combined into one mega-sport.
- And only in a fish-oriented world is being waterboy the most important position on the football team.
- Oh, and playing until they blew up the scoreboard? Really?

[Sam Hill]

The fish puns for character names is kind of annoying. They should have just given the supporting cast regular human names like the three leads have.

Yeah, it's a minor nitpicky complaint. But "Jocktopus" just sounds ridiculous and stupid as the actual name of a character.

[Freedom Fighter]

"Happy Birthday, Jocktopus"
- So, Oscar proves himself useful... after his best friends offer him up in lieu of a birthday present. Nice going, Milo and Bea!
- More on the usefulness... I guess the gag would've been funnier if the first fish to come up in the randomizer was Oscar himself...
- But Jocktopus sure got fooled easily at the end. Really got into beating himself, didn't he?

[The Huntsman]

It’s unfortunate, but I believe I’m ready to write this series off. I had thought that it would have been so much better, especially with its tremendous crew. As I said before, I saw the pilot. It was actually decent, despite a few issues, but the school setting has robbed it of any originality and there just isn’t any charm left. The humor only works for me when its extremely random, but a series can’t rely on that alone. I can’t recall the last time I stopped watching something. I’m easily entertained, and normally, I stick with the shows that I watch, but it feels like a chore to watch this. A pity.

[Nexonius]

Maybe I'm not a fan....or someone that really loathes Disney Channel's animated offering, but this is one of the worst shows from Walt Disney Television Animation I've ever seen. Not one laugh came out of me. I was just wondering when the hell was this episode going to end. Lame characters, Flash animation (Disney's using that too much lately), and lame writing, just trying to be funny. I knew I was going to write the show off, dut damn it did we really need this kind of show to exist?

I mean, you have Maxwell Atoms, C.H. Greenblatt, William Reiss, and rest of the very talented Chowder/Billy & Mandy crew, and they have to work on this barnacle of a show here? And the heads of Walt Disney Television Animation calling this show "original: and "inventive"....get the shell outta here with that.

Another animated show about school with real life backgrounds, but this time it's underwater, so that makes it "original". :shrug: I think I'll skip rope with my eyeballs before I watch this crud again.

0.5/10 (The 0.5 is for it being a cartoon only). Just sayin'.

[Sam Hill]

I wasn't a fan of Chowder but at least it was original. You look up the word "generic" in the dictionary and you'd find a picture of this show.

Shows about school-aged characters has been done before. Shows about fish and other underwater creatures has been done before. Combining them doesn't make it any more original.

[Nitemayer]

The art made me feel ill. I watched part of an episode and wanted to hurl. It was just so ugly. I never thought I would say this and mean it literally, but here I am. I can't even comment on the writing or other content because I was so queasy I couldn't focus. I can bear to watch the miniature clips they show in commercials, but I can't watch a Preview of an actual episode without groaning. Nothing in life has ever prepared me for a situation like this.

[Dr.Pepper]

I actually watched this show for the first time last night and thought it was meh. All of the characters seemed unlikable and I really didn't like the "cut out" look of the non-fish characters. I thought it was okay but I won't be missing it when it's gone.

[The Huntsman]

I suppose this series isn’t as bad as I deemed it at first. I’m still not that fond of it, but I’ve watched an occasional episode since I last walked away from it and it can be quite funny when it breaks free from its “just like everything else on the channel” format. It has a lot of potential, but the constant school setting does not work in its favor.

[Doguineta]

I suppose this series isn’t as bad as I deemed it at first. I’m still not that fond of it, but I’ve watched an occasional episode since I last walked away from it and it can be quite funny when it breaks free from its “just like everything else on the channel” format. It has a lot of potential, but the constant school setting does not work in its favor.

I agree. This show can be average, but there are osme episodes where it gets a special "twist" in the plot the viewer never expects, and that are my favorite episodes. And yeah, the highschool kinda holds it down.

The last episode, "Flying Fish" was pretty good. I liked it pretty much.

[Kool345]

For any Fish Hooks fans who are interested, here is a rundown of the ratings for each premiere episode so far:

Episode 01: 4.800 million viewers - Bea Stays in the Picture - September 3, 2010
Episode 02: 3.019 million viewers - Fish Sleepover Party - September 24, 2010
Episode 03: 3.019 million viewers - Fish Out of Water - September 24, 2010
Episode 04: 3.949 million viewers - Doris Flores Gorgeous - October 1, 2010
Episode 05: 3.949 million viewers - Underwater Boy - October 1, 2010
Episode 06: N/A - Happy Birthfish, Jocktopus - October 8, 2010
Episode 07: N/A - Bea Becomes an Adult Fish - October 15, 2010
Episode 08: N/A - Doggonit - October 22, 2010
Episode 09: N/A - Queen Bea - October 29, 2010
Episode 10: N/A - Fail Fish - November 5, 2010
Episode 11: N/A - Funny Fish - November 27, 2010
Episode 12: N/A - Baldwin the Super Fish - December 3, 2010
Episode 13: 2.509 million viewers - Dances With Wolf Fish - December 10, 2010
Episode 14: N/A - Hooray for Hamsterwood - December 17, 2010
Episode 15: N/A - Milo Gets a Ninja - January 7, 2011
Episode 16: N/A - Dropsy! - January 21, 2011
Episode 17: N/A - Fishing for Compliments: The Albert Fish Story - January 29, 2011
Episode 18: N/A - Big Fish - February 4, 2011
Episode 19: N/A - The Dark Side of the Fish - February 5, 2011
Episode 20: 3.740 million viewers - Dollars and Fish - February 18, 2011
Episode 21: 3.415 million viewers - Fish Floaters - February 25, 2011
Episode 22: 2.916 million viewers - Flying Fish - March 4, 2011
Episode 23: 3.020 million viewers - Two Clams in Love - March 11, 2011
Episode 09: 1.877 million viewers - Queen Bea (RERUN) - March 18, 2011*

*Fish Hooks still did poor for a rerun on March 18, 2011, even reruns of shows like Fish Hooks before get at least a 3.0. But for the most part, Fish Hooks has done okay, based on the info we got.

[Master Toon]

Seeing as how this is like the first thread ever made for the show, I'm guessing people here don't find it very funny. At first I didn't think that it would be very good either but it's grown on me. I think it's got the same good quality as any other past Disney cartoon.

[Dr.Pepper]

I have only seen it a couple of times but I found it pretty "meh". I wouldn't go as far as saying that I hated it but it is nothing I am going to be missing once it's gone.

[Meow]

I'd never even heard of this show before, but I just watched "Legend of the Earth Troll" on Disney's website. I thought it was pretty funny.

[Light Lucario]

I've seen quite a few episodes of the series too and while I don't think it's terrible, I don't think it's anything to write home about either. Most of the characters come off as annoying too often, especially Milo and Bea, the high school setting feels pretty generic and I don't recall laughing during most of, if not all, of the episodes I have watched. I kind of like the end segments with the snake and the mouse, if only because I find it kind of interesting that an animal and its usual source of food would get along, but that's about it. I usually watch it when there's nothing else on and I'm not in the mood to search through On Demand and it really isn't that bad, but I don't go out of my way to watch every new episode.

[King_of_doom]

I try to watch it but the characters are so annoying, especially Milo and nothing personal to Kyle Massey but i don't find him funny, both as an actor and voice actor.

Like Light Lucario mention the mouse and the snake at the end of the credits are more interesting to watch than the actual show, even when Jerry Stiller is involve it's not enough for me to watch it.

[Ed Liu]

Seeing as how this is like the first thread ever made for the show, I'm guessing people here don't find it very funny. At first I didn't think that it would be very good either but it's grown on me. I think it's got the same good quality as any other past Disney cartoon.
Merging this thread with the Fish Hooks series talkback thread, which I think has better claim to being the first thread ever made for the show ;).

[Gold Guy]

I only saw one episode, and I really didn't care for it. I didn't laugh once. Yeah, not a fan of this show. I enjoy Phineas and Pherb plenty more.

[Master Toon]

Merging this thread with the Fish Hooks series talkback thread, which I think has better claim to being the first thread ever made for the show ;).

LOL. I used the search feature and couldn't find anything. :sweat:

[Doguineta]

I like it, but it's not one of the cartoons I try to catch reruns of, with this I mostly tune in for premieres. But I like this show, it's pretty fun.

[mordecai321]

C'mon the art style isn't as bad as The Problem Solverz and guess what Fish Hooks is getting a second season! It's was bad at the beginning but now it's better. I don't think some of you guys get the jokes. Eh, it's hard to explain what I mean. I like this a lot more than Phineas & Ferb because they don't repeat the same plot like a stupid girl wanting to "bust" her brothers but fails every single time and somehow people are attracted to that. I mean really some of the jokes in Phineas & Ferb don't make sense, but then again we are talking about Fish Hooks not P&F. I mean I still like P&F a little bit