Can anyone identify...

[happyheathen]

This tape?

http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1445132509

dave

[don Jaime]

Don't sweat it. Britain uses a different tape system than the US and Canada, and you would need mondo expensive equipment to convert that tape.

[happyheathen]

Originally posted by don Jaime
Don't sweat it. Britain uses a different tape system than the US and Canada, and you would need mondo expensive equipment to convert that tape.

1. Locally, the going rate for PAL-to-NTSC conversions is $20.00

2. PAL conversions are NOT sped up - that one qualifies as 'urban legend'

[Jon Cooke]

I'm afraid I can't help ya. I wasn't even aware the LOONEY TUNES VIDEO SHOW went up to a Volume 13 in other countries. In the United States, Warner Home Video only released 3 volumes. In Canada, they got 7 volumes of VIDEO SHOW. I only have the contents of Vol. 1 - 7 in the video guide (http://looney.toonzone.net/video/).


-Jon

[Brian Cruz]

Because PAL uses 25 frames a second, while film uses 24 fps, any PAL video derived from a film source is slowed down compared to the original film.

[Bum]

Originally posted by Brian Cruz
Because PAL uses 25 frames a second, while film uses 24 fps, any PAL video derived from a film source is slowed down compared to the original film.

Brian,
I'm no technical expert [so I may be all wet on this :)], but I'm not sure I agree with your theory. To me, a video frame and a film frame are two completely different things, and one really doesn't affect the other. A video frame is more of a concept than anything else [as you know, if you pull the tape out of your video cassette, you're not going to see actual frames], while film frames are physically "real". Even if videotape appeared on your TV screen at a standard rate of 100 video "frames" per second, it's not going to affect how fast or slow the movie contained on it will appear.
I know what I want to say here, but I'm having a hard time putting it into words! If anyone else here thinks they know what I'm talking about, and can explain it clearer than I have, please assist!!!

[happyheathen]

Where to start...

In the beginning, there was film - period.

Because of this, the measure was 'frames per second' (fps).

Then sombody figured out a way (several, actually) to convert a video image into an electrical current (which could then, like audio, be recorded onto a magnetic medium (tape is cheap)).

Now it gets tricky - remember that this technology was being developed simutaneously in various parts of the globe (communication satellites were a LONG way off).

These various efforts produced 3 (surviving) means of recording an A/V feed onto tape - they are:

NTSC - USA, Canada, Japan (a long story lies therein)
PAL - Europe
SECAM - Asia

Among the specs for each is something called 'transport speed', which (in the US) is expressed as 'feet per second' (also, 'fps', thereby intoducing much confusion).

Bum - You are right - there is absolutly no relationship between the two 'fps's

As to conversions amongst the formats - one machine reads the tape and converts the signal to the desired format, which is then recorded AT THE APPROPIATE SPEED FOR THAT FORMAT.

I have had 'Song of the South' converted from PAL to NTSC, and can attest:
CONVERTED TAPES ARE NOT SPED-UP BY THE CONVERSION.

I do not have access to a variable-speed video deck, or I would like to see to what extent transport speed can be increased before the image is destroyed - I suspect very little.

Oh - one more thing - the record/playback speed required for a video signal in in the order of 100's (1800 sticks in my (alleged) mind) of feet per second - this is why the head of your vcr is tilted, and why it spins...


dave

[Sogturtle]

Jon Cooke~

Wellllll actually Volume 4 of the LOONEY TUNES VIDEO SHOW was distributed here in the good ol' US of A back in 1985... BUUUUUT only through a special promotion of a Koolaid-esque drink mix (made by Borden) called (I'm not making this up) "Bugs Bunny & Pals". Each different flavor featured a different Warners character. Ya had to take a hack-saw to each little box to get the UPC barcode which you then bundled off with the coupon for this 'special' LOONEY TUNES VIDEO SHOW, and included some amount of loot (can't remember the sum :(). Amusingly I still have the tape (of course) as well as a couple of the little (empty) drink boxes... (Hey, I was thirsty!). The mix sold for $2.69 per box back then.

[Brian Cruz]

Originally posted by Bum


Brian,
I'm no technical expert [so I may be all wet on this :)], but I'm not sure I agree with your theory. To me, a video frame and a film frame are two completely different things, and one really doesn't affect the other. A video frame is more of a concept than anything else [as you know, if you pull the tape out of your video cassette, you're not going to see actual frames], while film frames are physically "real". Even if videotape appeared on your TV screen at a standard rate of 100 video "frames" per second, it's not going to affect how fast or slow the movie contained on it will appear.
I know what I want to say here, but I'm having a hard time putting it into words! If anyone else here thinks they know what I'm talking about, and can explain it clearer than I have, please assist!!!

Video frames are most certainly real. The only reason you don't see them on video tape is because they are stored magnetically. There's no way to match up a 24 fps film rate with a 25 fps PAL video rate, other than repeating one of the film frames twice and slowing down the soundtrack to keep it in sync. Please take a look at this portion of the official DVD FAQ which confims my point:

http://www.dvddemystified.com/dvdfaq.html#1.19

I've been studying film and video at NYU for 4 years, and though I won't call myself a technical expert, I'm knowledgeable enough to know what I'm talking about in this instance.

[Brian Cruz]

Also, for information on how 24 fps film is converted to 30 fps video (in the American NTSC format), take a look at these technical documents for the Avid editing software:

Converting video:
http://www.zerocut.com/tech/pulldown.html

Converting audio:
http://www.zerocut.com/tech/2_3_audio.html