"Man of Steel" Pre-Release Discussion, Part 4 (Spoilers)

[James Harvey]

Look right here for all your questions, concerns, and scoops on the new upcoming Man of Steel live-action feature film featuring Superman! This thread will be updated as new information becomes available, and please remember to stay on-topic, please.


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Note #1: Discussion continued from Official "Superman" Sequel News & Discussion Thread, Part 3 (Possible Spoilers) (http://www.toonzone.net/forums/showthread.php?t=224769).
Note #2: Please keep this thread, and the discussion found within, ON-TOPIC. Warnings will be issued, if necessary. This thread is to discuss future Superman movies, so please STAY ON-TOPIC!

[Dragonpiece]

What have we learned so far? Will it be a sequel? A prequel? Another relaunch?

[Bat-Fan Beyond]

What have we learned so far? Will it be a sequel? A prequel? Another relaunch?


It's a relaunch, or reboot as it's called.

[Blue Beetle]

The problem with Returns is very simple, it was a love letter to the Reeve's films and that isn't what the franchise needed. Was it a bad movie? not really, it feels just like the original superman films which are fine movies just not the movie that Superman needed to get people excited in todays age.

By eliminating that you eliminate all the things that were wrong with the movie like campy Luthor and all of that. The Superman returning after years was interesting and the superbaby was actually a great idea, I though it was good. I also liked the costume, I thought it was great. The new Superman movie has to be like STAS where people can see him not only a super character but someone relatable.

[dmxx116]

Brandon Routh as Superman again? Why not?:

http://popwatch.ew.com/2010/08/03/brandon-routh-as-superman-again-why-not/

[dmxx116]

More From Brandon Routh On Superman And Chris Nolan!:

http://www.google.com/hostednews/ukpress/article/ALeqM5h652YvK5xx0XTX5B9FMWEixjp1uA

[the greenman]

He really didn't do a bad job. It would be nice to see someone tim burton-esque. Who does look somewhat alien.

[rggkjg1]

nolan interviewing directors for superman:
http://www.deadline.com/2010/09/chris-nolan-looking-for-superman-director/

Chris Nolan and Emma Thomas are getting closer to resuscitating the Man of Steel. I'm told they have begun meeting with a short list of directors for the job of directing Superman, the picture which will be financed by Warner Bros and Legendary Pictures. On the list: Unstoppable's Tony Scott, Let Me In director Matt Reeves, Battle: Los Angeles helmer Jonathan Liebesman (who just got the Warner Bros/Legendary job of directing Clash of the Titans 2), Duncan Jones, who just directed Source Code, and Sucker Punch helmer Zack Snyder.
i hope they add more names to the list because i think those are some pretty poor choices. if i HAD to pick one, i would go with snyder. but even then i dont want him. i think a superman film by him would have the wrong kind of "feel" too it.

the director for the next film has to be an established big name director (bryan singer is one, lets get him to meet with nolan) heck nolan himself is obviously an established director. with the exception of snyder, (and i said this before) how are all the ad's going to look when it says "a film directed by ___________"? exactly, everyone is going to say and think "who's that?".

[Tobias]

I hope they don't use Luthor as the primary villain in the reboot. I mean, yes, he should be there in some capacity, maybe pulling a few strings here and there, but as the main baddie? No. We've had Luthor at the forefront of four out of five movies.

It's time to give Supes a new big screen threat like Brainiac, Metallo, or even the Toyman (The animated series version, not the comics version)

[Bat-Fan Beyond]

nolan interviewing directors for superman:
http://www.deadline.com/2010/09/chris-nolan-looking-for-superman-director/

i hope they add more names to the list because i think those are some pretty poor choices. if i HAD to pick one, i would go with snyder. but even then i dont want him. i think a superman film by him would have the wrong kind of "feel" too it.

the director for the next film has to be an established big name director (bryan singer is one, lets get him to meet with nolan) heck nolan himself is obviously an established director. with the exception of snyder, (and i said this before) how are all the ad's going to look when it says "a film directed by ___________"? exactly, everyone is going to say and think "who's that?".


The problem I see with Tony Scott and Zack Snyder is that they are established directors and producers in their own right. That may cause a bit of conflict when collaborating with Chris Nolan who also has his own distinct vision for projects.

I personally do not want to see Tony Scott on this film as his style is totally not what I want for a Superman movie. Zack Snyder on the other hand has a great eye for visuals and is usually very reverential to the source material, but sometimes gets a little too over-stylized with the visual effects and cinematography. That may clash with Nolan's common approach of being very realistic and grounded.

Of this list of possible directors, I think we'll probably wind up with either Duncan Jones or Matt Reeves, since both filmamkers seem young, ambitious and talented enough while possibly remaining pliable enough under Nolan's guidance.

[rggkjg1]

I personally do not want to see Tony Scott on this film as his style is totally not what I want for a Superman movie. Zack Snyder on the other hand has a great eye for visuals and is usually very reverential to the source material, but sometimes gets a little too over-stylized with the visual effects and cinematography. That may clash with Nolan's common approach of being very realistic and grounded.

Of this list of possible directors, I think we'll probably wind up with either Duncan Jones or Matt Reeves, since both filmamkers seem young, ambitious and talented enough while possibly remaining pliable enough under Nolan's guidance.
which leaves me to this question:
who is the man in charge of the movie? nolan or the director? if nolan is the boss, i can see why he would choose an "unknown" veteran director, an unestablished director, or a non big name director, ect, if in the end nolan is calling the shots.

even thought we've seen this in nolan's previous work, there is no way his superman is going to be "realistic" and grounded.

[Bat-Fan Beyond]

which leaves me to this question:
who is the man in charge of the movie? nolan or the director? if nolan is the boss, i can see why he would choose an "unknown" veteran director, an unestablished director, or a non big name director, ect, if in the end nolan is calling the shots.

Do you know the story behind the movie Poltergeist?

Steven (Jaws) Spielberg was the producer and Toby (Texas Chainsaw Massacre) Hooper was the director. In the end, the Poltergeist we all saw was essentially Spielberg's movie.


even thought we've seen this in nolan's previous work, there is no way his superman is going to be "realistic" and grounded.

I hope you are right about that.

[suss2it]

nolan interviewing directors for superman:
http://www.deadline.com/2010/09/chris-nolan-looking-for-superman-director/

i hope they add more names to the list because i think those are some pretty poor choices. if i HAD to pick one, i would go with snyder. but even then i dont want him. i think a superman film by him would have the wrong kind of "feel" too it.

the director for the next film has to be an established big name director (bryan singer is one, lets get him to meet with nolan) heck nolan himself is obviously an established director. with the exception of snyder, (and i said this before) how are all the ad's going to look when it says "a film directed by ___________"? exactly, everyone is going to say and think "who's that?".Who care what the ads look like? As long as the director makes a good movie I'll be happy.

[dmxx116]

Darren Aronofsky now link to Superman!:

http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/movies/2010/09/darren-aronofsky-chris-nolan-superman-david-goyer.html?utm_source=latimes.com&utm_medium=twitter

[Miyamoto Musashi]

I'm not sure it will work right, that is all I can say about Nolan directing something so supernatural. Will watching Inception help me ease up a little?

[Wonderwall]

I'm not sure it will work right, that is all I can say about Nolan directing something so supernatural. Will watching Inception help me ease up a little?

Probably not as Nolan won't be directing it. He'll have his say an influence of course but I think for the most part( hopefully ) he'll keep his presence behind the camera to a minimum.

[Soul]

Honestly, Snyder wouldn't be a bad choice, ironically though I'd still hope to eventually see him do "Dark Knight Returns" in about 10 years.

[dmxx116]

Robert Zemeckis Considering Directing Superman? :

http://www.deadline.com/2010/09/robert-zemeckis-plots-return-to-live-action-and-time-travel/

[Bat-Fan Beyond]

Robert Zemeckis Considering Directing Superman? :


Hmmm, He's actually not a bad choice to consider for director. Might be more suited than any of the other directors considered thus far.

[Wonderwall]

I actually wouldn't mind him as director. I'm a huge fan of BTTF and Forrest Gump and I think that kind of tone would really work for a Superman movie.

[rggkjg1]

i have some comments in regards to luthor. since people are saying "no lex as the main villian!", what if the lex is working with the other villian in the film? how about lex appearing as a supporting role?

since nolan used the scarecrow and ras al ghul in batman begins, i wouldn't bet against nolan and goyer choosing a non luthor, maybe even a lesser known superman villian in the upcoming film, and possibly save luthor and brainiac for the second film.

if aronofsky is the director, does that mean we're going to hear that same requieum for a dream music in every official and fan made (like we don't hear it in those already) trailer?

[the greenman]

Zemeckis is a good choice.

He's technically capable of pulling off the fx. But for him the story has to be there. In a way he's alot like Donner before him.

[James Harvey]

Confirmed through sources and other media outlets, Warner Bros. Pictures has officially announced Zack Synder will direct the next installment of the Superman live-action theatrical franchise.

Comments?

[The Penguin]

Confirmed through sources and other media outlets, Warner Bros. Pictures has officially announced Zack Synder will direct the next installment of the Superman live-action theatrical franchise.

Comments?The 300/Watchmen guy? I don't have grand vision for how Superman should be that must be fulfilled for me to like it, but based on resume, my hopes are not high. It is of course early yet, so I can only go on is what the guy has done and his style doesn't feel like Superman to me. Of course, this movie won't be rated R either. I guess we'll see.

[Wonderwall]

He was one of the front runners so I'm not surprised but I am disappointed. I've never really thought much of his movies. At least it should look visually good but when it comes to Superman that should be a give in.

[Jacob T. Paschal]

Well, I'll give 'im a shot. Watchmen was a little...eh...but Nolan's producing so I'm sure it'll be fun.

[Gilgamesh]

Well, I'll give 'im a shot. Watchmen was a little...eh...but Nolan's producing so I'm sure it'll be fun.

The only issue Watchmen had was stripping away, arguably, the entire point of the story (the metafiction). A wholecloth OR adapted Superman movie wouldn't have any metafiction on the scale of Watchmen to it, so the only major flaw Watchmen had as a film would be avoided for a Superman movie.

Whether or not Snyder's a good enough director to do this, though, IS a valid question. But after Returns, I'm pretty much willing to give ANYONE a shot as long as they do better than Bryan Singer.

(I'm not exactly sure what Nolan's credentials are, here. I like his Batman movies...but is there something I don't know about him that makes him fitting to work on Superman?)

[Spideyzilla]

I think its a good choice. Snyder has a great visual style that could be great for Superman.

[Wonderwall]

(I'm not exactly sure what Nolan's credentials are, here. I like his Batman movies...but is there something I don't know about him that makes him fitting to work on Superman?)

He's had a couple blockbusters under his belt now one being TDK. In hollywood that's pretty good credentials.

I read on IGN that a rumor is the script will be using Zod as the villain...yea that's not a good idea to me. So far those are two things that I really didn't want to hear today.

[suss2it]

He's had a couple blockbusters under his belt now one being TDK. In hollywood that's pretty good credentials.

I read on IGN that a rumor is the script will be using Zod as the villain...yea that's not a good idea to me. So far those are two things that I really didn't want to hear today.

What's wrong with Zod?

[Jacob T. Paschal]

Well, Zod's been played up quite a bit in live action media. I think fans are just a bit weary of using him again.

I won't really mind so long as they do more than just have Zod and his two lackies. Give him an army. :p

[Bat-Fan Beyond]

If the next Superman Trilogy looks like this I'll be happy --

Superman I (villain: General Zod)

Superman II (villain: Brainiac)

Superman III (villain: Darkseid)

[Wounded_Dragon]

What's wrong with Zod?

If Zod is used, it should be for more reason than "we need someone who can exchange fisticuffs with Superman." Unfortunately, go over why most fans suggest Zod and that's the primary reason.

Now, there are ways to make it thematically sound. "Superman, but evil!" is a workable premise. More to the point, "real" Zod in live media hasn't had that much motivation exploration beyond being a conqueror and revenge against Jor-El. There's plenty of room to use for the enterprising writer.

[Bloody Marquis]

Personally, I'd rather it be.

Superman I: Clark Kent starts off in Metropolis. Meanwhile, Brainiac finds his way to the city and starts wreaking havoc, giving Clark a reason to put up the cape and become Superman

Superman II: Supes's adventures get the attention of Apokolips. Granny Goodness (or Kalibak if audiences won't like seeing an old lady as the villain) starts off the war on Earth to attain its champion.

Superman III: Superman's and all of the world's forces have to make their final stand against the New Gods and their lord Darkseid.

And Luthor could probably be a side-villain either in the first or second, then be forced to ally with Supes by the third.

[Knight]

I like Zack Synder's style (his upcoming Sucker Punch looks fun). Not sure about Zod as the opening villian. I dont want a Superman 2 remake. Hopefully there are lots of new things brought to the table.

[Jacob T. Paschal]

Hey, where's Stu, anyhow? I'm sure he'll have something to say. :p


I have to wonder if Nolan and company are thinking trilogy or simply just making the one film, for the time being at least.

[rggkjg1]

more information from supermanhomepage.com:
http://supermanhomepage.com/news.php?readmore=8623

According to Deadline.com (http://www.deadline.com/2010/10/zack-snyder-directing-superman/), Zack Snyder has been chosen to direct the next Superman movie...


"I've been a big fan of the character for a long time, he's definitely the king of all superheroes, he's the one," Snyder told Deadline. "It's early yet, but I can tell you that what David and Chris have done with the story so far definitely has given me a great insight into a way to make him feel modern. I've always felt he was kind of awesome. I'll finish Sucker Punch and get right at it."

Zack Snyder will move into working on the Man of Steel as soon as he completes post-production on his movie "Sucker Punch".

UPDATE: The LA Times (http://herocomplex.latimes.com/2010/10/04/zack-snyder-will-direct-superman-film/) has published an article about Zack Snyder being selected to direct the up-coming new Superman movie. Snyder speculates that his passion for comics and Superman in particular is probably what won him the job...

"I can't say why they came to me other than the fact that they know I have a fondness for the character and a real desire to understand him and present him to a new audience," Snyder said. "The challenge is huge but you know with Chris and Emma and Debbie I have a lot of people I can rely on. And Chris and David have given this the shape with a great story. It is a hard character to crack."


As for whether Superman, a 70 year old character, is still viable in today's world...

Snyder said the modern movie mode does present a challenge in a pop-culture era of Red Dead Redemption and "Inception" but he refuses to think that a character that rivals Mickey Mouse and Santa Claus in recognizability can ever be considered a relic. "I think he is viable, yes," Snyder said. "He endures. We all want to know, 'How will he come to us now?' He is the biggest and the baddest of them all. The greatest of them all, right? We all want to know how the next chapter takes shape. I want to know how it will take shape."
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sounds like bryan singer again. i wonder if we'll all hear about how richard donner and the first superman movie influenced snyder on 300 and watchmen?
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Meanwhile HollywoodReporter.com (http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/hr/content_display/film/news/e3i7b035dcf5d2c2ea7051b0d0f96f26d0a?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed:+thr/film+(The+Hollywood+Reporter+-+Film)) claim there's a rumor going around that General Zod could be the main villain for this new film.
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i'll debunk that rumor right here because zod won't be the villian. since superman returns, people have been complaining about it's ties to the donner films and how it should have been a reboot in the first place. is using general zod (again) the best way to go right now?
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Variety.com (http://www.variety.com/article/VR1118025138.html) claim that Snyder says that Brandon Routh isn't likely to don the red and blue tights again.

"It's still early in the process but I will say that the story that Chris and David have laid out is pretty awesome," Snyder said.

Legendary will co-finance half of the Superman pic, with the company's chief Thomas Tull, on board as executive producer. Legendary was also behind "Superman Returns," which starred Brandon Routh, and the recent hits "Inception" and "The Town." Routh isn't likely to don the red and blue tights again, Snyder said.

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BOOOOO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

ok, had some trouble using the traditional quote format. well, they discussed brandon routh. the next question i have is "will the john williams theme be used again?". and what's all this trilogy talk? we can't get that far ahead, whatever happenend to our bryan singer superman trilogy (at the least the "wrath of khan" sequel)? lets wait and see if the snyder superman is a "success" first.

[The Penguin]

i'll debunk that rumor right here because zod won't be the villian. since superman returns, people have been complaining about it's ties to the donner films and how it should have been a reboot in the first place. is using general zod (again) the best way to go right now?You may be right, but you can't debunk a rumor with your opinion. You need actual facts for that.

[the greenman]

Zack Snyder could do a great job so long as the script is there.

This is in the early stages, and we all have recently seen the ramifications of reboots i.e. Spider-Man and X-Men. They are not remakes, is really what I think this franchise needs. Batman never really had a true origin film until Begins, cause in Burton's Batman his origin was a flashback. So they called Begins a reboot.

I think Hollywood is afraid to remake something that worked, like Superman. I have this feeling, the next film will not be a re-anything but just do what Begins did with a villian from the past. People will hate this, but I actually still want Luthor, but in full mad scientist mode. Bring out the kryptonite power suit, and please let his plans be smarter than something the Joker could come up with.

[Superpan]

I hope it's not Zod, because I want to make a Superman movie series where the first movie has Zod and Luthor as the villians and I don't want Zod to be burned out by the time I make my movie!

[rggkjg1]

story details from comicbookresources.com:
http://www.comicbookresources.com/?page=article&id=28705

In Vulture's reporting of Aronofsky's possible "Wolverine" job, they note some possible story details for the "Superman" reboot. "Until last weekend, though, Aronofsky was far more interested in directing WB's original take on Superman — in which Clark Kent is a journalist traveling the world trying to decide if he should, in fact, even become Superman — than doing a sequel like 'Wolverine 2'," they write. They also suggest David Goyer's current draft is something of a mess. While I jokingly refer to the movie as "Superman Begins" and the "traveling journalist" is an interesting idea, can I make a suggestion? Tell the origin in an opening sequence and get on to chapter two. Superman, more than any other comic character, needs to get to the next story. Also, he needs to hit things. With his fists.
original article comicbookresources reported on:
http://nymag.com/daily/entertainment/2010/10/fox_offers_wolverine_2_to_aronofsky.html

Superman — in which Clark Kent is a journalist traveling the world trying to decide if he should, in fact, even become Superman — than doing a sequel like Wolverine 2. But on Saturday, Aronofsky was informed by WB he was out of the running for Man of Steel, and suddenly directing a sequel didn't seem so bad. Today, his reps began negotiations with Fox to put him behind the camera for Wolverine 2.

But wait!

Even as Aronofsky's Wolverine 2 talks coalesce at Fox, Warner Bros. is still offering blandishments to get back into business. We're told by knowledgeable insiders the reason Warner Bros. picked Snyder for Man of Steel is that the script by David Goyer was rushed, is still a bit of a mess, and that Warner Bros. needs someone who won't spend months or even years trying to get it just right (i.e., Aronofsky), because time is the one thing they don't have: The studio must have a new Superman movie in production by 2011 or they'll be subject to potential lawsuits by the heirs of the superhero's creators.

We're told that Snyder was not really Warner's first choice to direct Superman, but that a director needed to be hired imminently. Privately, even Snyder has confided to agency sources that the current Superman script needs work, but clearly Warner Bros. believes he can get it done faster than Aronofsky.
the script is a mess? well, that doesn't surprise me since i felt the dark knight was a mess (a good mess, but a mess none the less). sounds like this might be an "origin" or an early years superman if the clark kent traveling the world thing is true. we don't need an origin. and we sure as heck don't need superman moping around debating whether he should be the hero or give it up (the newest cliche of the superhero/comic movie genre).

i said this earlier in regards to redoing the origin:

it shouldn't be an all new origin movie. it should simply be another superman adventure. key origin parts/past events should be shown through flashbacks or an opening credits like superman ii. refilm the destruction of krypton, kal-el landing on earth, growing up in smallville, superman's first appearance in metropolis, ect, for use in the opening or very short scenes.

here's a possible opening sequence before the credits:

the screen is black and the first line you hear is "gentlemen, krypton is doomed!". fades in and we get the council, jor-el and lara, jor-el working on the rocket, the "big one" earthquake, jor-el tries to get lara into the ship, lara refuses to go, kal-el is placed in the ship, ship takes off, and krypton explodes. the superman march begins and the opening credits begins.
if general zod is indeed the villian in this new film, i guess they would have to show us krypton anyway (origin movie or no origin movie). so if they're showing krypton for zod, just make zod's sentencing right before the planet's destruction. with snyder's "trademark" visual style, i can't wait to see what krypton will look like. krypton needs to be the silver/bronze age krypton. the donner krypton is dull, boring, and depressing. i won't mind donner "elements" (lets face it, there will be plenty of donner "elements" in the new film regardless), but it needs to be kept to a minimum on krypton.

this is the silver/bronze age krypton i'm talking about:
http://superman.nu/origin/4.php

[Jacob T. Paschal]

I like the idea of a having him travel, but this should be something set far into his career as Superman. Make it a travelling assignment with he and Lois travelling the world or something.

[Bat-Fan Beyond]

If when David Goyer went to Chris Nolan and said, "I know how to do Superman with an approach that might be interesting for you to take on," and all it consisted of was Superman travelling the world... well, color me disappointed.

[langden alger]

I think we've all had enough of a Clark Kent who's reluctant to become Superman on Smallville....no need to torture fans with that any longer.

[Superpan]

*Looks at plot description*

GOYER!!!!! STOP STEALING MY IDEAS!

Well, yes, I can see why it would have problems. While travelogue movies may seem like good ideas, it's hard to really build a solid plot when you're bouncing around the globe and moving all the characters from place to place.

[mgr91686]

I think we've all had enough of a Clark Kent who's reluctant to become Superman on Smallville....no need to torture fans with that any longer.

I think at this point, WB/DC are sadistically enjoying torturing us. I mean we sure as heck could have a had a reboot by now, I mean just look at the 5 (Yeah I know 2011) year turnaround for Hulk/Incredible Hulk. Then there's The Punisher....

What it boils down to is that DC/WB just has no desire to give anything but Jonah Hex and stuff like Catwoman-in-name-only (Cino?).

Meanwhile for better or worse Marvel has darn near shot everything they could at us since 1998. and even if only a handful of those were genre classics at least they are doing something even if it is wrong.

[Spideyzilla]

It could work, if done well. It could show Clark traveling the world, saving people at times, and weighing his options. Set up for a franchise, it would be a very Batman Begins-esque story, which is probably what got Nolan interested. I'm not worried: if Nolan is excited, I am too.

[Gilgamesh]

I think that plot is a GREAT idea. I'd love to see something like that.

[jph139]

I love the concept. It's very different from what Superman is, traditionally, in the public mind - not much in the way of Metropolis, no "truth justice and the American way" or anything. I think Superman works best as an introspective character, to be honest, so a soul-searching travel around the world would be a great direction to take.

[adoptedBatpuppy]

Hmm... I don't know how to feel, I hope this movie will bring something different to the table which have not yet been explored before in Superman movies. :)

[rggkjg1]

i don't mind an action sequence or a general appearance of superman in another part of the world, but to have clark traveling the world being part of the story? come on. wouldn't the personal reasons that send clark on this global adventure be the same reasons that sent him to the remains of krypton in superman returns? so what's going to happen through out the film? general zod notices superman's absence and quietly (or loudly) takes over while superman looks the other way as he continues on his soul searching adventure on earth? keep superman in metropolis. is every member of the supporting cast of superman going to be following him around the world too?

[The Penguin]

i don't mind an action sequence or a general appearance of superman in another part of the world, but to have clark traveling the world being part of the story? come on. wouldn't the personal reasons that send clark on this global adventure be the same reasons that sent him to the remains of krypton in superman returns? so what's going to happen through out the film? general zod notices superman's absence and quietly (or loudly) takes over while superman looks the other way as he continues on his soul searching adventure on earth? keep superman in metropolis. is every member of the supporting cast of superman going to be following him around the world too?This isn't another version of Superman Returns, this would be Clark traveling the world before he ever became Superman (which at least the Lois & Clark version actually did). In that sense, it would be an origin story. You can debate whether or not this is a good idea, but let's make sure we're talking about what it actually is (which I know by reading the article snippets you posted).

[the greenman]

It kinda sounds like Batman Begins, which I didn't like either. So if this is what Nolan is bringing to Superman, I'm not interested.

[rggkjg1]

This isn't another version of Superman Returns, this would be Clark traveling the world before he ever became Superman (which at least the Lois & Clark version actually did). In that sense, it would be an origin story. You can debate whether or not this is a good idea, but let's make sure we're talking about what it actually is (which I know by reading the article snippets you posted).
i've been taking all these recent details with a grain of salt and thinking outside the box, or jumping to these assumptions until there is 100% confirmation from someone credible. yes clark did travel the world before becoming superman, but isnt it possible in this story that superman is already established, and clark suddenly decides to go on this soul searching adventure? i dont know what is in the script or story. maybe the persons who wrote these articles saw a snippet of the script or story about the traveling the world and made the assumption that this is an origin.

call it skeptical or denial, until snyder, goyer, or nolan go on the record and officially reveal what the story and details are, i'll will have assumptions based on the little info we have. or did i miss a news story where one of the three officially confirm the informaton i'm looking for?

now if this whole clark traveling the world before he becomes superman is 100% accurate. i would rather have the film set place in the present (with superman already established) and we have this clark traveling the world story told through flashbacks similar to batman begins. i figure few of the reasons they would do this clark travels the world story is to make him more relatable, and to say that clark kent is the true identity/persona, not superman.

[The Penguin]

i've been taking all these recent details with a grain of salt and thinking outside the box, or jumping to these assumptions until there is 100% confirmation from someone credible. yes clark did travel the world before becoming superman, but isnt it possible in this story that superman is already established, and clark suddenly decides to go on this soul searching adventure? i dont know what is in the script or story. maybe the persons who wrote these articles saw a snippet of the script or story about the traveling the world and made the assumption that this is an origin.

call it skeptical or denial, until snyder, goyer, or nolan go on the record and officially reveal what the story and details are, i'll will have assumptions based on the little info we have. or did i miss a news story where one of the three officially confirm the informaton i'm looking for?

now if this whole clark traveling the world before he becomes superman is 100% accurate. i would rather have the film set place in the present (with superman already established) and we have this clark traveling the world story told through flashbacks similar to batman begins. i figure few of the reasons they would do this clark travels the world story is to make him more relatable, and to say that clark kent is the true identity/persona, not superman.But "the little info we have" specifically says that this would be before Clark ever became Superman! To indict the concept on something you just made up because you like it less is ridiculous. You showed us where it says that this story would be pre-Superman. I don't see anything about this being a world traveling version of Superman Returns except for your comments finding fault in something that doesn't appear to even be a discredited rumor.

[Knight]

I like the idea of Clark traveling its pretty similar to what happened to him during the John Byrne Man of Steel run I believe. Superman is the worlds greatest hero it will be nice to see how it got that point. He starts off as a reluctant hero who has these amazing powers and realizes there's a lot of good he can do.

[rggkjg1]

zod rumor debunked and routh working out:
http://supermanhomepage.com/news.php?readmore=8687

In Rome, Italy to promote his new film "Legend of the Guardians", Zack Snyder spoke to BadTaste.it about directing the up-coming Superman movie, and put on hold any talk of General Zod being the main villain for the film. Here's a portion of the interview (translated from Italian)...

You were recently chosen as the director of Superman. What have you done to defeat other talented directors and what are you planning to do with this new version?

I'm not sure what I've done, it wasn't like a run race, which would have been easier to do. Anyway, I think that you have to do your best to describe this world and that the character of Superman needs to be relevant again, without disrespecting his mithology. That's my goal.

The general Zod will be the villain of the movie or it's just a rumour?

For now it's just a rumour.

Source: BadTaste.it (http://www.badtaste.it/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=16041&Itemid=29).

Meanwhile, AintItCool.com (http://www.aintitcool.com/node/47018) claim that Brandon Routh recently told them that "Thomas Tull, head of Legendary pictures, had sent him some super duper Physical Trainer to get him into full on SUPERMAN shape again".

[Bat-Fan Beyond]

After watching that fan-made Superman: Doomsday trailer I posted, I'm kind of going back and reconsidering Brandon Routh as Superman. Seeing that fake trailer and the way it was edited made me actually realize Routh wasn't so bad afterall and that it was a lot of other choices Bryan Singer's made that ruined Superman Returns.

As for the new Superman reboot, my standing at this point is "Better the devil you know, than the devil you don't."

Tom Welling and Brandon Routh may have been associated with two very different and unrelated Superman projects, but I'd much rather have either of them take on the mantle again than have someone who might be the subject of bad casting. (Sorry, Jon Hamm, say hello to Nicholas Cage for me.)

[Gilgamesh]

I like the idea of a having him travel, but this should be something set far into his career as Superman. Make it a travelling assignment with he and Lois travelling the world or something.

So you want what the movie proposes, just taking out everything that makes the idea interesting?

Better idea: They should not do what you say.


zod rumor debunked and routh working out:
http://supermanhomepage.com/news.php?readmore=8687

Shame. Hopefully it turns out true: Zod makes perfect sense as an antagonist of an early Clark Kent. What would convince you to become Superman more than a Kryptonian that shows what someone like you could do without that moral compass?


After watching that fan-made Superman: Doomsday trailer I posted, I'm kind of going back and reconsidering Brandon Routh as Superman. Seeing that fake trailer and the way it was edited made me actually realize Routh wasn't so bad afterall and that it was a lot of other choices Bryan Singer's made that ruined Superman Returns.

As for the new Superman reboot, my standing at this point is "Better the devil you know, than the devil you don't."

Tom Welling and Brandon Routh may have been associated with two very different and unrelated Superman projects, but I'd much rather have either of them take on the mantle again than have someone who might be the subject of bad casting. (Sorry, Jon Hamm, say hello to Nicholas Cage for me.)

I'm fine with Routh. He wasn't the issue with Returns. But I don't understand how anyone could want Tom Welling. I really don't.

[Elrohir]

I agree. Routh was the only good thing about Superman Returns. And no, I do not want to see Tom Welling as Superman ever again...

[rggkjg1]

snyder says the movie is not a remake (oh, really?), it takes place in the early days of superman, and that it's not based on any specific superman comic:
http://supermanhomepage.com/news.php?readmore=8703

French site, Filmsactu.com caught up with Zack Snyder during his European tour to promote his animate film "Legend of the Guardians", and asked him about Superman, and what the movie will be about. Here's his reponse translated from French...

"As I already explained, the film will be focused on the early days of Superman. It will not have links with the other films. This will not be a remake. Again, even though I can't talk about the story, I can assure you that this new Superman will not be based on any particular comic book."

This puts to bed any speculation that this new movie would be based on either Mark Waid's "Superman: Birthright" or John Byrne's "Man of Steel" miniseries.
hmmmm. i'm kind of annoyed that they're not looking at a specific comic book for their "early days" superman (dont forget superman: for all seasons too). they don't have to do a 100% adaptation of a comic, but it would be nice if they did something for this movie like they did with batman begins and batman: year one.

[Gilgamesh]

To be fair, this is a franchise where many iconic concepts and characters didn't even originate in the comic books. I don't see anything wrong with what he's saying, here.

[Jacob T. Paschal]

So you want what the movie proposes, just taking out everything that makes the idea interesting?

Better idea: They should not do what you say.

There's nothing interesting about covering Superman's origin for the bajillionth time.

[Gilgamesh]

There's nothing interesting about covering Superman's origin for the bajillionth time.

Good thing they're not covering his origin and instead telling a story about him seeing why he should become Superman.

[Jacob T. Paschal]

Good thing they're not covering his origin and instead telling a story about him seeing why he should become Superman.

I said Superman's origin, which, y'know, would be "the story of how Clark Kent became Superman."

[Gilgamesh]

I said Superman's origin, which, y'know, would be "the story of how Clark Kent became Superman."

No, Superman's origin story would be baby Kal-El coming down to Earth, being found by Ma and Pa Kent, and becoming Superman after minor shenanigans that may or may not involve superheroes from the future.

You have to reintroduce a concept. This is NOT an origin story. This is a story that wants to establish the thematic concept of Superman. It's largely the story of Clark Kent becoming Superman or deciding to become Superman, but that's not really the origin of the character. All your post sounds like is something that's trying to make some pointless semantic distinction between Clark Kent and Superman. And certainly that type of discussion has a time and place.

It doesn't here. If you want to revitalize the franchise, the concept must be introduced. They're not talking about Clark's child hood, they're talking about his early years on the road to becoming Superman. If you MUST call it an origin story, you also MUST acknowledge that it's not the same origin story you claim to be tired of (especially in film, which has been told about....once...?), since Snyder cites wanting to develop the story largely wholecloth (which this franchise is no stranger to. Kryptonite, after all).

This is a GREAT idea. If you don't like it, that's perfectly acceptable. But you, at the same time, shouldn't be pompous enough to suggest modifications to the concept that destroy the core thematic purpose. If someone suggests a world trekking Clark to discover the direction of his life, it's more than a little jerkish to suggest "yeah, that's good, but maybe if he was Superman...and Lois was there...!" It's twisting a concept meant to do one thing and saying it should do something else while ignoring what the original purpose was.

They want a new Superman series and thus are telling a story that puts the themes and purpose behind Superman at the forefront.

I can understand if you dislike the multitude of times a world-trekking journalist Clark Kent experienced the world for deep introspection on whether or not to become a superhero has been presented on the theatrical screen, but there are compromises that need to be made. If you're going to make a movie, you have to tell one BIG story. If you're doing a franchise that you hope is going to establish a series, your first big story has to be the one that establishes what your story is about. And not the events, but what the story is saying.

Seems pretty obvious what this move wants to do. We're in the era of Dark Knight, Kick-Ass, and Watchmen. Watchmen in particular had everything unique about it drained to be another dark superhero movie (as anyone who read Watchmen will tell you the major crux of the story was the metafictional elements that weren't even in the film, hardly the philosophical maintext). Our superheroes are Iron Man dealing with weapons development and an alcohol problem, Batman cleaning a gritty, realistic Gotham City of crime, and Kick-Ass being a cool hero except learning being a superhero sucks.

And don't get me wrong, I enjoy those stories. But in an environment of gritty realism and convoluted shared universes, Superman is the perfect character to revive the very simple concept of the superhero (a superpowered man who wishes to do good) for the current movie going audience. And what better way to reintroduce the core concept of the superhero than showing the most recognizable hero of them all have the epiphany that will make him come to that mindset?

Just throwin' that out there.

[Jacob T. Paschal]

No, Superman's origin story would be baby Kal-El coming down to Earth, being found by Ma and Pa Kent, and becoming Superman after minor shenanigans that may or may not involve superheroes from the future.

You have to reintroduce a concept. This is NOT an origin story. This is a story that wants to establish the thematic concept of Superman. It's largely the story of Clark Kent becoming Superman or deciding to become Superman, but that's not really the origin of the character. All your post sounds like is something that's trying to make some pointless semantic distinction between Clark Kent and Superman. And certainly that type of discussion has a time and place.

It doesn't here. If you want to revitalize the franchise, the concept must be introduced. They're not talking about Clark's child hood, they're talking about his early years on the road to becoming Superman. If you MUST call it an origin story, you also MUST acknowledge that it's not the same origin story you claim to be tired of (especially in film, which has been told about....once...?), since Snyder cites wanting to develop the story largely wholecloth (which this franchise is no stranger to. Kryptonite, after all).


A critical component of any superhero origin is the element that inspires them to become a superhero. Embarking on a journey to cover that epiphany is still a piece of the origin. Establishment is the final component of the origin.

There is a difference between Kent and 'Superman' in this 'origin context'. The story of Superman's genesis is a piece of Clark Kent's early years, which as you have pointed out I am not exactly keen on viewing again. The establishment of that component is one unto itself that still serves as the origin for an entire era to come. That initial post you so readily jumped to criticize was an expression of prefferring the film switched things up. "Starting at the beginning" is an incredibly linear and predictable move. Smallville (arguable quality aside) has been on for ten years. I don't think anyone needs to know "how Clark Kent became Superman" unless they're quite young, and even then they are not bound to care so long as they're explosions and fighting.

Aside from not being keen on the premise I'm not passing judgement on the finish product. This entire wave of discussion won't even be a twinkle in my eye if the film turns out to be entertaining.

[rggkjg1]

early days superman can also mean superman early in his career, with elements and his supporting cast already established. yes a previous news story said it would involve him traveling the world, but once again, i don't believe everything i read.

[Bat-Fan Beyond]

http://supermanhomepage.com/images/miscellaneous/notw-brandon.jpg




The only thing that I can think of that might make the producers fearful of recasting Routh as Superman will be their worry that moviegoers will not be able to disassociate this new reboot from Superman Returns if Routh plays the character again, which might make fans think that the two movies are in continuity and confusing when viewed that way.

My argument against that view is that if fans can disassociate Superman III and IV from the same continuity that Superman I and II are in, which all have Christopher Reeve in the lead role, then we should have no problem when it comes to seeing and accepting Routh again in another unrelated Superman film.

[rggkjg1]

The only thing that I can think of that might make the producers fearful of recasting Routh as Superman will be their worry that moviegoers will not be able to disassociate this new reboot from Superman Returns if Routh plays the character again, which might make fans think that the two movies are in continuity and confusing when viewed that way.
i dont think fans will be confused, the general public will be. they'll be confused no matter what. i remember when the dark knight came out. i over heard someone ask "didnt batman already fight the joker?". if there was confusion over the dark knight, the greatest movie ever made, i think we'll be able to handle any confusion there may be if routh does return.

aside from previously playing superman, maybe they have their eye on him since he's been doing a steady flow of noticeable work lately (chuck, scott pilgrim). he's more "known" now than he was when first got the part ("known" along with playing superman).

[Bat-Fan Beyond]

i dont think fans will be confused, the general public will be. they'll be confused no matter what.

Actually, the general public is who I meant to say would be confused.


i remember when the dark knight came out. i over heard someone ask "didnt batman already fight the joker?".

Yes, I remember much of that. As a matter of fact, there was a lot of people who dismissed Batman Begins when it came out, thinking it was a continuation of the Joel Schumacher movies.

[rggkjg1]

hans zimmer talks superman music:
http://supermanhomepage.com/news.php?readmore=8772

Popcorn Biz at NBCSanDiego.com has published an interview with composer Hans Zimmer. Zimmer collaborated on the scores for "Batman Begins" and "The Dark Knight", and admits to having a meeting lined up with Christopher Nolan to discuss working on the third Batman film, "The Dark Night Rises". He doesn't clarify if he'll also be scoring the up-coming new Superman movie (which Nolan will be producing), but he does talk about whether or not the John Williams' "Superman" theme should be retained.

Given that Nolan is also overseeing the development of a renewed revival of "Superman" helmed by Zack Snyder, Popcorn Biz had to ask Zimmer's opinion on a burning question, whether he works on that film or not: do you re-employ John Williams' theme for the Man of Steel, one of the most lauded scores in film history, or do you start anew with a fresh, fully original score?

"It's a hard one," mused Zimmer, "but I followed one of the most iconic things on 'Batman' with Chris as well, and it's the same thing. You are allowed to reinvent, but you have to try to be as good or at least as iconic and it has to resonate and it has to become a part of the zeitgeist. That's the job. On 'Gladiator' I remember people always talking about 'Spartacus' and I kept telling them, 'When you saw "Spartacus" and how it affected it you, that's how I want a modern audience to be affected by what we do now.' So I think ultimately you're supposed to reinvent."

Read the complete interview at NBCSanDiego.com (http://www.nbcsandiego.com/blogs/popcornbiz/Composer-Hans-Zimmer-Talks-Theme-Music-For-Nolan-Batman---and-Superman-105838533.html)
of course the difference between batman and superman is that batman had a new theme in the schumacher films, superman never had a new theme in a movie before, which is why i'm reluctant to hear a new one. at the very least, bring the williams theme back for use in the opening/closing titles.

and donner says snyder is a good director:
http://supermanhomepage.com/news.php?readmore=8781

MovieWeb.com asked "Superman: The Movie" director Richard Donner what he thought of Zack Snyder being chosen to direct the new Superman movie...

"Well, I think he could do a great job. You know he's certainly a good director and hopefully he's got a good handle on it," answered Donner. "I mean I thought Bryan (Singer) did a wonderful job with the other film (Superman Returns). You could just do massive action and blow up stuff, but he chose to do the characters more, although he had some beautiful stuff in there. So I hope nobody tries to compete. I hope Zack doesn't try to compete and I don't think he's that kind of director. I don't think he's going to want to compete with the best effects out there. I'm tired of it already. I'm tired of those ... what are those machines? Transformers! Really, I mean they were great but lets settle back people and focus on the characters. The characters in Superman are just wonderful."

Source: MovieWeb.com (http://www.movieweb.com/news/NEwA3L8Ylo5kzA).
ha. well, i guess we should be glad michael bay isnt directing superman. hahaha.

[Jacob T. Paschal]

I'd hope they create a completely new theme. All of the shows or direct to videos have seemed to copy off of the Williams theme up until now. I'd like a new sound for once.

[Bat-Fan Beyond]

If they bring back Brandon Routh as Superman, then I think they should go the opposite way with the score. I think we can have one or the other, but having both might add to the possibility that ignorant viewers will try to connect the two series, when this is actually an unrelated reboot.

Another question is what does the Fortress of Solitude look like? I'm quite used to it being made of ice and crystal. I don't think I want it being like something from the Silver Age with a giant gold key and all.

[the greenman]

Smallville pretty much ruined a really good origin film that needs to happen. I'm pretty sure the kids of Gen Y need a new vision, but wb probably doesn't want to retread what Smallville did for so many yrs.

As for the score, they should give it to Danny Elfman.

[Knight]

http://supermanhomepage.com/images/miscellaneous/notw-brandon.jpg




The only thing that I can think of that might make the producers fearful of recasting Routh as Superman will be their worry that moviegoers will not be able to disassociate this new reboot from Superman Returns if Routh plays the character again, which might make fans think that the two movies are in continuity and confusing when viewed that way.

My argument against that view is that if fans can disassociate Superman III and IV from the same continuity that Superman I and II are in, which all have Christopher Reeve in the lead role, then we should have no problem when it comes to seeing and accepting Routh again in another unrelated Superman film.

I didn't know Superman 3 and 4 had been disassociated. Plus I think they are worried more about the general audiences acceptance more than "fans".

[Bat-Fan Beyond]

I didn't know Superman 3 and 4 had been disassociated.


Superman 3 and 4 have been disassociated in two ways: 1) By the majority of fans and critics who appreciate the first two films, but hate the third and fourth, and 2) By Bryan Singer who decided to regard the first two films as canon to his Superman Returns film, but ignore the existence of the third and fourth films.

[dmxx116]

Newly unveiled concept art for Bryan Singer’s ‘Superman Returns’ and potential sequels reveal what may have been the design for a live-action Doomsday.

http://cdn.screenrant.com/wp-content/uploads/superman-movie-doomsday-concept-art-570x368.jpg (http://cdn.screenrant.com/wp-content/uploads/superman-movie-doomsday-concept-art.jpg)

http://screenrant.com/superman-movie-doomsday-designs-rob-90778/

[Soul]

That Doomsday looks... interesting.
Otherwise? Keeping Routh is iffy, he's impressed me heavily in other stuff especially Scott Pilgrim but who knows.
But as such with plot? No one wants an origin story nor does anyone want Lex as a villain.
Doomsday or Brainiac or get out! (Okay Zod is still a possibility).

[Spider-Man]

A couple updates on the next Superman film:


Joe Manganiello must be howling at the moon — the "True Blood" werewolf is definitely in the running for the new "Superman." The Ministry hassled its fanboy brother Hero Complex for details, as Hero tweeted Tuesday that the actor was high on a list of potentials to play the Man of Steel.

The full story: http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/gossip/2011/01/joe-manganiello-superman-movie-casting.html

Also we may have a new filming location:


Culture minister Lindsay Blackett confirmed Wednesday that part of a $200-million Hollywood film will be shot in Alberta. He would not name the film, the director or the studio behind it, but did say that the production is expected to spend roughly $35 million in the province. An industry insider told the Herald that this likely means Superman: Man of Steel, director Zack Snyder's big-budget reboot, will have a unit shoot here. Another source confirmed that producers behind Man of Steel have been looking at Alberta, but said nothing has been confirmed.

Full story: http://www.superherohype.com/news/articles/114373-superman-movie-to-shoot-in-alberta

Didn't the original Donner Superman film somewhere in Canada as well?

[Bat-Fan Beyond]

I don't understand why everyone is entertaining these self-circulating Manganiello as Superman rumors. This Joe Manganiello guy is just trying to push his face and name out there with the hopes people will get behind him and producers will take notice. In my opinion, he's not right for the role at all.

[Wonderwall]

Didn't the original Donner Superman film somewhere in Canada as well?

Alberta was used as well for that film's scenes in Smallville. It'd be kind of cool if they filmed Metropolis here in Vancouver though:p

[Jacob T. Paschal]

Oh hi Mark, they cast Superman, yeah (http://www.comingsoon.net/news/movienews.php?id=73652).

Interesting choice...I've never heard of him before! :p

[The Penguin]

Oh hi Mark, they cast Superman, yeah (http://www.comingsoon.net/news/movienews.php?id=73652).

Interesting choice...I've never heard of him before! :pHenry Cavill (http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0147147/) has most recently been on The Tudors. His first big break was as the boy in The Count of Monte Cristo. Perhaps most relevant to this movie, he was a finalist for Bruce Wayne/Batman, but was deemed too young (when the move was released in 2005 he was 22).

Wait, maybe that was a joke. :shrug: Well, the info stands either way.

[AerostarMonk]

Henry Cavill (http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0147147/) has most recently been on The Tudors. His first big break was as the boy in The Count of Monte Cristo. Perhaps most relevant to this movie, he was a finalist for Bruce Wayne/Batman, but was deemed too young (when the move was released in 2005 he was 22).

Wait, maybe that was a joke. :shrug: Well, the info stands either way.

It's funny because the fan pick of Armie Hammer was actually cast as Batman in the failed Justice League adaptation by Miller. I'm guessing from now on Superman will be played by rejected Batman actors.

[Bat-Fan Beyond]

Well, other than Cavill's forgetable roles in the mediocre The Count of Monte Cristo and Stardust, I've never seen him in anything else, so he's practically a new face and name to me. Hopefully, he will be convincing and true to the role. We need a great Superman movie.

[DisneyBoy]

This is TERRIFIC news. He totally is right for this part. A very soulful actor, gentle way about him (at least on Tudors) all the while appearing strong and inquisitive.

Trust me, folks - it's okay to get excited by this news.

[defunctzombie]

Via WB:

http://img337.imageshack.us/img337/4536/67984217.jpg

Eh, maybe. I'll wait until they get him in a suit before I approve or disapprove.

[Spider-Man]

Bleeding Cool has a mock-up:

http://www.bleedingcool.com/wp-content/uploads//2011/01/cavill-as-superman.jpg

http://www.bleedingcool.com/2011/01/30/the-first-time-henry-cavill-was-cast-as-superman/


The notably handsome and talented British actor Henry Cavill has been cast as Superman. Again.

It’s been a while since he last had the role and, of course, that film never made it into production, but Cavill was selected to play the orphaned Kryptonian and his bespectacled alter ego back when JJ Abrams had written the screenplay and McG was directing. That production was dumped in favour of Bryan Singer, and what became Superman Returns, but the studio went as far as telling Cavill he had the role, and officially attaching him.

Indeed, so advanced were preparations for the film, Cavill took part in costume tests.

[Azeke]

He looks.. okay.

But.

Plot. Plot. Plot.

Why am i so afraid the film would be mindless summer flick with Supes acting OOC and all edgy and cool and stuff?

Oh, right, Zack Snyder :-\

[defunctzombie]

Bleeding Cool has a mock-up

Ugh, the redesigned "S". Do we know for sure if they're going to use it again?

[Link1130]

Ugh, the redesigned "S". Do we know for sure if they're going to use it again?


Its a mock-up made by someone other than the production studio. Its just to illustrate how the guy will sort-of, probably look as Superman. Don't overanalyze it.

[rggkjg1]

i guess i can stop wondering if routh will come back now. i think cavill in the mock up looks kind of like commander riker with out his beard.

well, we got the new director and the new superman. the next item on my agenda is will the john williams theme be used again?

[ShadowGUN]

Well he looks like a Superman but can he pull the Clark Kent look?

[Novapocalypse]

Why am i so afraid the film would be mindless summer flick with Supes acting OOC and all edgy and cool and stuff?

It won't be. It's coming out Christmas time.

[Spider-Man]

well, we got the new director and the new superman. the next item on my agenda is will the john williams theme be used again?
Apparently it won't be (which is the right move to make this film its own):



You knew this was coming, but now it's official: Zack Snyder's SUPERMAN will not be carrying over John Williams's iconic main theme, first heard in Richard Donner's 1978 film and resurrected for Bryan Singer's 2005 continuation. Snyder has instead enlisted Hans Zimmer to score his top-down reinvention of the DC Comics superhero.



http://www.aintitcool.com/node/47625

[dmxx116]

Apparently it won't be (which is the right move to make this film its own):



http://www.aintitcool.com/node/47625 I'm happy they not using John Williams score, And now this movie can stand on it own.

[Bloody Marquis]

I'm happy they not using John Williams score, And now this movie can on it own.
Can what on it's own? Honestly, I don't want to sound rude, but dude, double-check your posts.

[dmxx116]

Can what on it's own? Honestly, I don't want to sound rude, but dude, double-check your posts.Thanks for the heads up.

[BatKid]

Well he looks like a Superman but can he pull the Clark Kent look?
Here's a mockup someone made:

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v83/Geijutsuka/Manips/Clark-Cavill-1.jpg

And 2 Superman ones for good measure:

http://img191.imageshack.us/img191/9537/74380325.png
http://img545.imageshack.us/img545/6373/cwsiiearlydonnerfortres.jpg

The small tidbit about him being a finalist for Batman isn't true at all. Nolan may have considered him, but Cavill never talked to anyone or held an audition. Cavill, however, has had a long history with the Superman franchise. He was already cast in the role back when MCG was helming, but that production fell through and eventually went to Singer. 7 years later he has another shot at the titular role and even better now that he's matured.

This is an excellent choice, folks. Those who are familiar with his work knows he just needs his breakthrough role to make it big because the kid has the chops and look to become a star. He's been a fanboy pick for years now. It's crazy he actually landed the part.

[rggkjg1]

i thought i already posted this. oh well. the hans zimmer article posted above was debunked by the superman home page a few days later.
http://www.supermanhomepage.com/news/2010-news/2010-news-movie.php?topic=2010-news-movie/1206

It appears that Thompson on Hollywood had it wrong. According to CinemaBlend.com Hans Zimmer says he's not going to be scoring the new Superman movie and that he has never even spoken to director Zack Snyder.

According to the composer he is the victim of an out-of-context quote that has attached him to project he has no dealings with. Continuing, Zimmer thinks that the whole situation was assumed to be true because of his connections with Nolan, but the truth is that he's never met Snyder (though he says that he "need[s] to give him a ring"). Then there's the whole matter of dealing with John Williams' iconic theme from the Richard Donner movies:

"John Williams, the greatest living composer -- full stop. And that happens to be one of his greatest themes. So no. And I'm not thinking of rewriting Beethoven's ninth either. It just sounds like a thankless task, you know?So that's unequivocally a no. I have never spoken with Zack Snyder."

As always, any rumor you read about this new Superman movie should be taken with a grain of salt... Even so-called reputable sources (like Anne Thompson) can get it wrong from time to time.
how about a new theme used through out the movie that "hints"/"builds up" to the williams theme at the end of the movie for the end credits. also bring back superman flying over the earth before the credits too.

[The Penguin]

The small tidbit about him being a finalist for Batman isn't true at all. Nolan may have considered him, but Cavill never talked to anyone or held an audition.That's on me, my apologies. I distinctly remember reading Cavill was deemed too young for Batman, maybe that was bad info (I don't recall where I read it, it was not recently and was Batman-related when I read it, not Superman-related) or my use of the word "finalist" was wrong. You always seem to know what you're talking about, BatKid, so I defer to you.

[Michael24]

Personally, I'm sick and tired of scores that just "hint" at themes and skirt around them at every opportunity. That was one of the things I didn't like about Nolan's Batman movies. Just give us a theme from the get-go to identify our hero.

[BatKid]

That's on me, my apologies. I distinctly remember reading Cavill was deemed too young for Batman, maybe that was bad info (I don't recall where I read it, it was not recently and was Batman-related when I read it, not Superman-related) or my use of the word "finalist" was wrong. You always seem to know what you're talking about, BatKid, so I defer to you.
No need to apologize, man. Misinformation seems to have spread around rapidly with the announcement. Practically every site is saying the same thing, but the fact is Cavill was never formally approached for the role. Here's a video link (http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=FTLmPZH8G10#t=86s) clarifying the matter straight from his own mouth.

[DisneyBoy]

Ugh, the redesigned "S". Do we know for sure if they're going to use it again?

Oh thank you! I'm so relieved I'm not the only one who hates that new S. Just use the classic one DC uses. Even the Chris Reeve one was a little wonky.

As for plot, I'm confident they'll be looking to avoid too much about Krypton and the origins or even Lois and try to focus on giving us a likeable Superman and a great villain. I mean...after all these years they'd be stupid to not have learned their lesson.

[the greenman]

I hated the new costume period. The red was actually scarlet just like Daredevil's.

[rggkjg1]

I hated the new costume period. The red was actually scarlet just like Daredevil's.
i think the whole point of making the colors a little "dark" was because they would be shining so much light on it while they were shooting. the christopher reeve costume looks florescent at times.

[DisneyBoy]

Can I say that I thought the Dean Cain Superman suit was a perfect balance without getting glared at? Cause that's what I think.

[Young Justice]

i thought i already posted this. oh well. the hans zimmer article posted above was debunked by the superman home page a few days later.
http://www.supermanhomepage.com/news/2010-news/2010-news-movie.php?topic=2010-news-movie/1206

how about a new theme used through out the movie that "hints"/"builds up" to the williams theme at the end of the movie for the end credits. also bring back superman flying over the earth before the credits too.

I completely agree on Hans Zimmer comments on scoring a new theme for Superman. It's a thankless effort. Superman's theme is too iconic.

I know, after the Superman Returns fiasco, the last thing we need is elements that connects this new franchise with the Richard Donner's one.

But there are some things that are too iconic to not be used.

Superman was brought to life in comics. His iconic elements from that media are: The blue spandex, the red cape and boots, the S in his chests, his powers (flying, heat vision etc.), kryptonite and so on.

But Superman expanded from the comics to other media, and he built other iconic elements since that. In my opinion, John William's theme is so perfect that is as Iconic to Superman as it is his red cape.

Make a new score, but keep the theme.

[Bat-Fan Beyond]

The one thing I think that is most likely, and probably necessary, to carry over from the Christopher Reeve Superman film series is the Fortress of Solitude. The ice-like crystal design of the fortress was not only used in the Reeve films, but also in the Superman Returns movie, the Smallville television series, and the recent Superman: Secret Origin comic book. That particular look for the Fortress has become almost as iconic as Superman's costume. They could probably expand on it by having Kryptonian sculptures and such, much like Superman: The Animated Series did, but overall I think the basic structure should remain identifiably the same.

[Ducard]

Ursa.

http://www.latinoreview.com/news/exclusive-superman-s-undisclosed-character-revealed-12492

[Yojimbo]

Ursa.

http://www.latinoreview.com/news/exclusive-superman-s-undisclosed-character-revealed-12492Hmm, next they're going to say Non is appearing. :cool:

[desi]

Stephen Colbert does a bit where he criticizes the fact that Superman is going to be played by a british actor. He is frickin' hilarious!
http://www.supermanhomepage.com/news.php?readmore=9206#comments

[Chiptooth]

Can I say that I thought the Dean Cain Superman suit was a perfect balance without getting glared at? Cause that's what I think.

The suit he wore throughout the series, I didn't much care for. The suit he wore in the pilot, though, I actually thought was OK.


The one thing I think that is most likely, and probably necessary, to carry over from the Christopher Reeve Superman film series is the Fortress of Solitude. The ice-like crystal design of the fortress was not only used in the Reeve films, but also in the Superman Returns movie, the Smallville television series, and the recent Superman: Secret Origin comic book. That particular look for the Fortress has become almost as iconic as Superman's costume. They could probably expand on it by having Kryptonian sculptures and such, much like Superman: The Animated Series did, but overall I think the basic structure should remain identifiably the same.

Really? 'Cuz every other Superman/comic-book board I go to, they hate the crystal Fortress. I did like the spread they had in Action Comics Annual #10, though, with all the Silver Age touches like the Interplanetary Zoo, the Trophy Room, the Disintegrator Pit, etc. Myself, I'd probably lean toward a version of the Fortress from the Superman: Doomsday animated movie (with only one robot as opposed to a whole legion of them), with the door and dwarf-star-matter key from All-Star Superman.

[rggkjg1]

i just had a thought for those who want and dont want the williams theme. maybe it can be used as fan fare for the opening logos/credits (similar to the star trek movies and superman iv).

[Spideyzilla]

TMZ is saying Lindsay Lohan is up for a major role.
http://www.comicbookmovie.com/fansites/VoicesFromKrypton/news/?a=29683
Keep in mind that TMZ has its eyes in ears inside of Hollywood, so there is a good chance this rumor has some merit to it.

[Jacob T. Paschal]

I have to wonder if the role would actually be major or if it was just a bunch of smoke being blown. :p

[Bat-Fan Beyond]

I'm calling it now -- MAXIMA!

http://tvmedia.ign.com/tv/image/article/900/900547/Maxima_1219248673.jpghttp://superherouniverse.com/wiki/images/5/5d/Maxima_from_Superman_TAS.jpg

[GregX]

I have to wonder if the role would actually be major or if it was just a bunch of smoke being blown. :p

Still undisclosed as to whether the role is "prostitute #3" or "box office kryptonite"

[defunctzombie]

TMZ is saying Lindsay Lohan is up for a major role.
http://www.comicbookmovie.com/fansites/VoicesFromKrypton/news/?a=29683
Keep in mind that TMZ has its eyes in ears inside of Hollywood, so there is a good chance this rumor has some merit to it.
I'm willing to bet that this is false. If I am proven wrong, I will forfeit seeing this film. ;)

[dmxx116]

I think Lindsay Lohan can do well as Claire Selton/Volcana.

http://www.worldsfinestonline.com/WF/superman/bios/villains/volcana/01.gif

Speaking about his upcoming take on The Man Of Steel to SFX Magazine, Snyder hints that we will definitely be seeing a more action orientated Supes than we have before in previous movie incarnations :

http://www.sfx.co.uk/2011/02/09/zack-snyder-talks-superman-movie/

[BatKid]

http://comingsoon.net/nextraimages/supermanew.jpg


A major piece of that work is now complete: finding an actor who can express the next-gen Superman’s masculinity, gravitas and empathy. Henry Cavill was raised on the small British island of Jersey with limited time for pop culture beyond TV and computer games. The acting big bit during his years at boarding school, and ever since he was 17, “I’ve been chasing the career around the world.” In addition to four seasons of The Tudors, he appeared in such films as 2002’s The Count of Monte Cristo, 2007’s Stardust, and 2009’s Woody Allen comedy Whatever Works.

Snyder says he would have cast Cavill in his 2007 film 300, except the actor was holding out for another job: becoming the next 007. “I came very close,” says Cavill. “The choice was between a younger Bond and a Bond closer to his 30s, which is to say, Daniel Craig.” Cavill disputes reports that he was a contender for Batman Begins (“At least, nobody was talking to me about it”) but confirms he was a top candidate for an earlier version of Superman (to have been directed by McG) that fell apart in 2004. “But here I am, seven years later. Got ya!” he says with a triumphant shake of the fist. “It was wonderful to have a second stab at a job – and as a wiser, older, more experienced actor.”

That experience came in handy during his two-part audition. Last October, he was asked to read some scenes written specifically for the tryout. He came back in January for a screen test and proved he could sell the suit and an American accent. Snyder declines to identify everyone who auditioned for the role, but volunteers that his second choice was True Blood’s Joe Manganiello. “Joe’s a great guy. I really liked him, says Snyder, adding that it came down to a gut decision. “It was about seeing a quality that inspires the inexplicable, mysterious, cool emotion that says, ‘That’s my guy.’”

Among the topics of discussion: Cavill’s audition, which included shooting a screen test wearing a replica of Christopher Reeve’s once impressive, now dated Superman suit. “If you can put on that suit and pull it off,” says Snyder, ‘that’s an awesome achievement.” Cavill was feeling less than super in the moment, at least about his ability to fill out the costume: He had just finished shooting a film with Bruce Willis called The Cold Light Of Day, and the part required to him to shed the impressive abs of steel and muscle tone he had put on for the movie he made right before that, the forthcoming mythic fantasy Immortals. As an assistant helped to him put on the Super-suit, Cavill recalls: “All I could think was: Oh, god. They’re going to look at me and go ‘He’s not Superman. Not a chance.’ The actor inside me was going: You’re not ready! You’re not ready!” Snyder saw something — or rather someone — different. “He walked out, and no one laughed,” says the director. “Other actors put that suit on, and it’s a joke, even if they’re great actors. Henry put it on, and he exuded this kind of crazy-calm confidence that just made me go ‘Wow.’ Okay: This was Superman.’”

Two weeks after Cavill’s screen test, Snyder gave him the life-changing call. “I told him that I had some good and bad news: He needed to start working out.” Cavill was home alone in his London apartment at the time. He tried calling his girlfriend and his parents – but he couldn’t get through to anyone. “I was like, ‘This is ridiculous! I’ve just been given the biggest job in history, and nobody’s picking up their bloody phones!”

Soon it’s Cavill who’ll be hard to reach. He’s about to begin getting Super-ripped at Gym Jones, a fitness boutique specializing in building action-hero physiques. And the actor says is eager to get into his own Superman suit. “Even during the audition, even amid my anxiety while wearing the older model, I had this extraordinary feeling: ‘Wow. I’m wearing the cape. I’m wearing the S.’ Extraordinary,” he says. “I can’t wait to do it for real.”

http://i51.tinypic.com/2samgdx.jpg

[DisneyBoy]

He's going to be great.

[Robin2099]

http://img263.imageshack.us/img263/5083/cwstmportrait14g.jpgGotta say, he's got me convinced he can play Superman and has the look down pat.

[Bat-Fan Beyond]

http://img263.imageshack.us/img263/5083/cwstmportrait14g.jpgGotta say, he's got me convinced he can play Superman and has the look down pat.

Wow, very convincing. So far, I'm sold.

[dmxx116]

Kevin Costner is up for a role in the new Superman movie ? :

http://www.deadline.com/2011/02/kevin-costner-up-up-and-away-for-superman-role/

I say he'll be perfect as Jonathon Kent.

[Tobias]

I could see Costner as Pa Kent, or if they go the villain route, Metallo.

[Jacob T. Paschal]

Pa Kent wouldn't be too bad, I have to say.

Although I'm half expecting Jeff Bridges to get that one, if not Jor-El. :p


Actually, John Terry (Jack's dad on Lost) would make a good Pa Kent. O.o

[Michael24]

Kevin Costner is up for a role in the new Superman movie ? :

http://www.deadline.com/2011/02/kevin-costner-up-up-and-away-for-superman-role/

I say he'll be perfect as Jonathon Kent.
I have to say, the presence of Kevin Costner -- especially if it was to be a major role -- would elevate my interest in this film from a 1, where it is now, to a 10 instantly.

[the greenman]

The only issue I have with Cavill is he doesn't look like he can play Clark Kent. I suppose that was part of the audition and they have that licked. It will be interesting to see him pull off that performance.

[Young Justice]

Kevin Costner is up for a role in the new Superman movie ? :

http://www.deadline.com/2011/02/kevin-costner-up-up-and-away-for-superman-role/

I say he'll be perfect as Jonathon Kent.

I've read this on the comments of the this news and I think it could happen: Costner could be Lex Luthor. I can see him portraying this role. He did not do too many villains in his carrer but when he did it was good like in "The Perfect World".

[Bat-Fan Beyond]

I've read this on the comments of the this news and I think it could happen: Costner could be Lex Luthor. I can see him portraying this role. He did not do too many villains in his carrer but when he did it was good like in "The Perfect World".

I hope he's not Luthor. If he's in it at all, I'd prefer him as Jonathon Kent.


Billy Zane would probably make a good Lex Luthor, though.

[BatKid]

It's nothing official, but LR is usually very relable:

http://www.latinoreview.com/news/kevin-costner-s-superman-role-revealed-12685


EXCLUSIVE! Kevin Costner's Superman Role Revealed!

A holiday is never over, I learned while walking across Manhattan in the frigid cold.

My phone rings and @latinoreview himself, Kellvin was on the phone to fill my ear with sweet nothings of Superman casting awesomeness.

Rumors were abound this President's Day that Zack Snyder was looking towards Costner for a "key role" opposite Henry Cavill as Superman. Costner, who is working on his World War II directorial project "A Little War Of Their Own" had me searching for "if you build it, they will come...to Superman" jokes all day.

Now Kellvin has spoken to his well-placed sources and we can report that Kevin Costner is none other than the Daddy of Superman himself: Jonathan "Pa" Kent.

Jonathan Kent.

[Wonderwall]

Kevin Costner? Along with Zack Synder directing, I'm really finding my enthusiasm( which wasn't a lot ) quickly dwindling. Won't comment on the guy who's Superman as I have no idea who he is but so far he's the only thing that I don't find disappointing.

[Vanitas]

Billy Zane would probably make a good Lex Luthor, though.


My avatar says it all.

Really, not only does he look the part, his voice sounds alot like Clancy Brown from the animated series. If it's NOT Zane, then I'll frankly be pretty dissapointed. I mean, I'd give the actor a chance, but it'd still be a wasted opportunity. :sad:

[BlackoutCreature]

The only issue I have with Cavill is he doesn't look like he can play Clark Kent. I suppose that was part of the audition and they have that licked. It will be interesting to see him pull off that performance.
I'm not too familiar with Henry Cavill's acting abilities, but I would imagine how well he can play Clark Kent all comes down to how the new movie wants to portray Clark Kent. I think it would be a mistake to try to portray Clark Kent the same way that Christopher Reeves did back in the original movie. That ultra-nerdy, ultra-clumsy portrayal just seems outdated and pointlessly silly. There have been other portrayals in the DCAU, in Smallville and in the comics that I think would be much more suited for a modern audience. Thats one of the main things I hope this movie does, make Clark Kent more of a real person then just an obvious disguise for Superman.

[Bat-Fan Beyond]

My avatar says it all.

Really, not only does he look the part, his voice sounds alot like Clancy Brown from the animated series. If it's NOT Zane, then I'll frankly be pretty dissapointed. I mean, I'd give the actor a chance, but it'd still be a wasted opportunity. :sad:


Plus, isn't Billy Zane Greek?

And I believe the Bruce Timm/Clancy Brown Lex Luthor was somewhat influenced by Telly Savalas, who was also Greek.

Perfect!

[dmxx116]

Viggo Mortensen is up for a role in Zack Snyder Superman movie ? :

http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/blogs/heat-vision/viggo-mortensen-superman-villain-161432

Viggo Mortensen would be perfect for Orion if they ever use him.

And one more thing I do not want to see Zod again he bring nothing new that I haven't seen in a Superman before.

[Azeke]

Terra-man?

http://www.bluecorncomics.com/pics/hidalgo3.jpg

That kind of villain seems apropriate for Snyder. :D

[BlackoutCreature]

I think we all know there's only one person who could possibly do the role of General Zod any justice this day and age -
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/3/3c/Nostalgia_Critic.jpg
KNEEL!!!!
(I tried my darndest but I couldn't find a picture of Doug in his Zod outfit.)

[underdog]

Diane Lane is Mama Kent:



BURBANK, CA, March 2, 2011 – Warner Bros. Pictures and Legendary Pictures announced today that Oscar®-nominated actress Diane Lane will play Martha Kent, the only mother Clark Kent has ever known, in the new Superman movie to be directed by Zack Snyder.
Snyder stated, “This was a very important piece of casting for me because Martha Kent is the woman whose values helped shape the man we know as Superman. We are thrilled to have Diane in the role because she can convey the wisdom and the wonder of a woman whose son has powers beyond her imagination.”
Lane will star with Henry Cavill, who was recently announced as the new Clark Kent/Superman.
Lane earned an Academy Award® nomination for her performance in the 2002 drama “Unfaithful.” She most recently starred in the family hit “Secretariat.” She next stars in the HBO feature “Cinema Verite,” opposite Tim Robbins and James Gandolfini. Lane’s long list of film credits also includes “Nights in Rodanthe,” “Hollywoodland,” “Must Love Dogs,” “Under the Tuscan Sun,” “Perfect Storm,” “My Dog Skip,” “Chaplin,” “The Cotton Club” and “A Little Romance,” to name only a portion.
Charles Roven, Emma Thomas, Christopher Nolan and Deborah Snyder are the producers of the film. The screenplay is being written by David S. Goyer based on a story by Goyer and Nolan. Thomas Tull and Lloyd Phillips are serving as executive producers.
Slated for release in December 2012, the new Superman movie will be distributed worldwide by Warner Bros. Pictures, a Warner Bros. Entertainment Company.


http://www.deadline.com/2011/03/warner-bros-sets-diane-lane-for-supermans-mom/

[dmxx116]

I like this choice I always like her as a actress.

[the greenman]

Man, the actors they're choosing are making me feelreally old. I'm only 33, and I don't think these actors feel like parents yet. Maybe just me though. I still remember Costner and Lane backin the 80's.

[TMC1982]

Man, the actors they're choosing are making me feelreally old. I'm only 33, and I don't think these actors feel like parents yet. Maybe just me though. I still remember Costner and Lane backin the 80's.

Weren't the Ma and Pa Kent that we saw on Smallville also considerably younger than what we typically view them to be (i.e. senior citizens)? Then again, in that case, this was before Clark Kent became established as Superman.

[Yojimbo]

Diane Lane? Well. Interesting casting.

[the greenman]

Weren't the Ma and Pa Kent that we saw on Smallville also considerably younger than what we typically view them to be (i.e. senior citizens)? Then again, in that case, this was before Clark Kent became established as Superman.

Exactly, I didn't mind them cause Clark was around 16 or 17 at that point. If this film's Superman is around 21, I'll also accept them. However, he looks like he's in his early 30's.

[Wounded_Dragon]

Maybe they're dead and only in flashbacks?

[the greenman]

Looks like I'm not the only one who feels this way.

http://m.yahoo.com/w/ygo-frontpage/lp/story/us/72983/coke.bp%3B_ylt=A2KIPsscJ3BNvzsAWBAp89w4%3B_ylu=X3oDMTFxMDd2b3NlBGNwb3MDNwRjc2VjA21vYmlsZS10ZARpbnRsA 3VzBHBrZwNpZC03Mjk4MwRwb3MDMQRzbGsDdGh1bWI-?ref_w=frontdoors&view=today&.tsrc=yahoo&.intl=us&.lang=en

[Wounded_Dragon]

I'm more worried about all the news we're getting about the movie being "we got stars" instead of "here's the cool story we're doing." Hell, even some SFX to let us know they're not being cheap would be nice.

[Robin2099]

I'm more worried about all the news we're getting about the movie being "we got stars" instead of "here's the cool story we're doing." Hell, even some SFX to let us know they're not being cheap would be nice.

The movie's only in pre-production. That's the only thing there is to talk about since the production company is still trying to get the nuts and bolts of the production up and running. Besides the fact that they have three Oscar nominated actors for this movie shows that they are taking it pretty seriously.

[the greenman]

The movie's only in pre-production. That's the only thing there is to talk about since the production company is still trying to get the nuts and bolts of the production up and running. Besides the fact that they have three Oscar nominated actors for this movie shows that they are taking it pretty seriously.

*Ahem* Halle Berry had he Oscar when she went to work on Catwoman.

I don't think it has so much to do with talent as it does with pulling in names. That's not to say these people aren't talented, but at the end of the day, it's a paycheck. Marlon Brando didn't turn down Superman either, even if he was doing it as a favor for Mario Puzo. The story ha better be there, because I fear that this is going in the polar opposite direction of Superman Returns with a little too much action, but less of a story.

I don't know why they just won't remake the origin. I don't care if people know it and have seen it before, just do the whole thing from scratch. I actually think this is a similar stunt like Sony and Fox are pulling with their respective franchises to sabotage the integrity of the characters. WB had to release the Superman film because of the family Estate lawsuit. I hope it's not, but I have these sinking feelings sometimes when I read the carelessness of how these films taken care of.

[TMC1982]

*Ahem* Halle Berry had he Oscar when she went to work on Catwoman.

I don't think it has so much to do with talent as it does with pulling in names. That's not to say these people aren't talented, but at the end of the day, it's a paycheck. Marlon Brando didn't turn down Superman either, even if he was doing it as a favor for Mario Puzo. The story ha better be there, because I fear that this is going in the polar opposite direction of Superman Returns with a little too much action, but less of a story.

I don't know why they just won't remake the origin. I don't care if people know it and have seen it before, just do the whole thing from scratch. I actually think this is a similar stunt like Sony and Fox are pulling with their respective franchises to sabotage the integrity of the characters. WB had to release the Superman film because of the family Estate lawsuit. I hope it's not, but I have these sinking feelings sometimes when I read the carelessness of how these films taken care of.

The same sort of thing happened with the 2008 Incredible Hulk (which was more action-adventure oriented) when compared to the 2003 Ang Lee directed Hulk movie (which was more cerebral and "emo").

[the greenman]

The same sort of thing happened with the 2008 Incredible Hulk (which was more action-adventure oriented) when compared to the 2003 Ang Lee directed Hulk movie (which was more cerebral and "emo").

Now that you mention it, that's absolutely right. The only redeeming thing from that film was it's Avengers connection. But yeah, that's where I feel this film is going to go, as a knee jerk reaction to Singer's "Superman Returns". I hope I'm wrong.

[Bat-Fan Beyond]

I'm more worried about all the news we're getting about the movie being "we got stars" instead of "here's the cool story we're doing." Hell, even some SFX to let us know they're not being cheap would be nice.


First of all, other than Henry Cavill (who's barely known) and Diane Lane, we really haven't heard any "we got stars" coming from the studio or the filmmakers. All the other names at this point are still just rumors without confirmation.

Secondly, hardly any movie in pre-production gives away the plot this early anymore -- especially Chris Nolan's movies. And just like with Nolan's Batman franchise, we always hear about the actors involved first.

[suss2it]

I don't think it has so much to do with talent as it does with pulling in names. That's not to say these people aren't talented, but at the end of the day, it's a paycheck. Marlon Brando didn't turn down Superman either, even if he was doing it as a favor for Mario Puzo. The story ha better be there, because I fear that this is going in the polar opposite direction of Superman Returns with a little too much action, but less of a story.We don't anything about this movie at all, aside from the director, the producers and a few of the stars. Based on the producers, (Chris Nolan & his wife) and the person doing the story (David S. Goyer) I don't think we need to worry so much about the story.


I don't know why they just won't remake the origin. I don't care if people know it and have seen it before, just do the whole thing from scratch.Because Smallville has been on the air for 10 years now. We don't need another origin, especially for Superman. I don't know if you read All-Star Superman, but that origin would perfectly for the film.


I actually think this is a similar stunt like Sony and Fox are pulling with their respective franchises to sabotage the integrity of the characters. WB had to release the Superman film because of the family Estate lawsuit. I hope it's not, but I have these sinking feelings sometimes when I read the carelessness of how these films taken care of.At the end of the day all these corporations care about is money, and sabotaging the integrity of properties they basically own isn't gonna help them make money. In fact from what I've seen of the previews of X-Men: First Class it looks like it's gonna be a pretty good movie. I also don't see how this film is being taken care of in a careless fashion. They've got talented producers, a talented director, talented stars and a talented story-writer.

[dmxx116]

Diane Lane talks about playing Martha Kent in Zack Snyder's Superman reboot :

http://whosnews.usaweekend.com/2011/03/woman-of-steel-diane-lane-speaks-on-playing-supermans-mom-in-new-movie/

[Wounded_Dragon]

Diane Lane talks about playing Martha Kent in Zack Snyder's Superman reboot :

http://whosnews.usaweekend.com/2011/03/woman-of-steel-diane-lane-speaks-on-playing-supermans-mom-in-new-movie/


Wild ride? Martha Kent? What in Sam Hill are they having her do?

[Spideyzilla]

Wild ride? Martha Kent? What in Sam Hill are they having her do?

I think she's referring to the fact that she will be playing the mother of such an iconic character, although I could be wrong. I don't see them putting Martha in any action scenes.

[dmxx116]

Warner Bros. has confirmed that Kevin Costner will play Jonathan Kent in the Zack Snyder-directed Superman reboot :

http://content.usatoday.com/communities/entertainment/post/2011/03/kevin-costner-joins-superman-movie/1

[Bat-Fan Beyond]

Warner Bros. has confirmed that Kevin Costner will play Jonathan Kent in the Zack Snyder-directed Superman reboot :

http://content.usatoday.com/communities/entertainment/post/2011/03/kevin-costner-joins-superman-movie/1



A bit let with that confirmation, aren't they?

Well, hopefully they'll tell us something else soon that's new and we didn't already know. Like who's playing Lois and who the villain(s) is/are.

[Wonderwall]

Warner Bros. has confirmed that Kevin Costner will play Jonathan Kent in the Zack Snyder-directed Superman reboot :

http://content.usatoday.com/communities/entertainment/post/2011/03/kevin-costner-joins-superman-movie/1

And so my fears are finally confirmed:sweat:. Well at the very least it's a role that's appropriate for him I guess.

[suss2it]

And so my fears are finally confirmed:sweat:. Well at the very least it's a role that's appropriate for him I guess.

What's so bad about Kevin Costner?

[Michael24]

And just like that, my interest in this film has gone up a great deal. Sure, the Kents will probably serve only a minor role, but still, Costner is one of my favorite actors and his casting goes a long way in getting me interested in this film.

Now if only Zack Snyder can actually deliver in making a good movie. I loved his Dawn of the Dead remake, but everything else . . . ugh.

[Wonderwall]

What's so bad about Kevin Costner?

I just don't like much of anything he's been in. At best I tolerate the guy in movies as I don't think he's been too good in much. I think only JFK and the Untouchables I can watch when it comes to movies he's in.


Now if only Zack Snyder can actually deliver in making a good movie. I loved his Dawn of the Dead remake, but everything else . . . ugh.

I feel the same way, although I think 300 was...eh ok, I liked it better when I first saw it but less so since. But I don't feel to comfortable with him at the helm. Guess we'll see.

[BatKid]

Latino Review (http://www.latinoreview.com/news/exclusive-could-superman-be-squaring-off-against-the-jackal-13013?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed:+latinoreview+(Latino+Review))


By El Mayimbe on March 23, 2011

A day or so ago, Zack Snyder personally told Kellvin in an interview that Viggo Mortensen for whatever reason won’t be joining the new Superman film.

So that being my cue, I went out and did my usual scoop rounds and came across something interesting.

From what I’m told, I’m hearing that Edgar Ramirez who by the way killed it in the 5 hour CARLOS miniseries (can’t wait for the Criterion blu ray) is supposedly being eyed for a villain role in Zack Snyder’s Superman film.

Now at press time, I don’t know if it’s for General Zod or another villain role. The secrecy surrounding this project is that tight. I also don’t personally know if Edgar auditioned, or his name is simply being tossed around, or the producers have gotten into it with Edgar’s reps.

I feel though that Edgar being in Superman is within the realm of possibility because after all, he is already working for Warner Brothers and playing Ares, Zeus’ godly son and one of the bad guys in WRATH OF THE TITANS, the CLASH OF THE TITANS sequel which started production this week. Edgar also played the baddie in the last Jason Bourne film.

So for lack of a better word, consider this a “rumor” for the time being.

http://www.latinoreview.com/images/stories/images/stories/edgar_ramirez.jpg

Deadline (http://www.deadline.com/2011/03/superman-takes-villain-focus-michael-shannon-contender/)

After setting Henry Cavill for the lead role, and Diane Lane and Kevin Costner for Ma and Pa Kent, Warner Bros., Legendary Pictures and director Zack Snyder are working on a villain for Superman: Man of Steel. I'm told there's interest in Michael Shannon. Shannon is coming off a memorable first season in HBO's Boardwalk Empire, and he turned in a strong performance in Take Shelter, which Sony Pictures Classics acquired at the 2011 Sundance Film Festival. Neither the studio nor Shannon's reps were helpful.

http://www.observer.com/files/full/michael_shannon.jpg

[dmxx116]

Bryan Singer has opened up and offered his personal feelings about ‘Superman Returns :

http://www.comicbookmovie.com/fansites/VoicesFromKrypton/news/?a=33821

I just happy we have Zack Snyder making Superman now and not Bryan Singer, Snyder can't do no worse then Singer.

[Azeke]

Micheal Shannon was amazing in Boardwalk Empire. My favourite character by far.

Would be a waste of talent for him to go to Snyder.

[DisneyBoy]

I really don't want Zod to be in the movie. Why is everyone so obsessed about Zod?!? It's always Zod or Luthor! Zod or Luthor!

They'd be smart to develop one of the other Superman villains like Brainiac, Metallo or Livewire to set themselves apart...

[suss2it]

I really don't want Zod to be in the movie. Why is everyone so obsessed about Zod?!? It's always Zod or Luthor! Zod or Luthor!

They'd be smart to develop one of the other Superman villains like Brainiac, Metallo or Livewire to set themselves apart...

I don't think Livewire or Metallo are enough of a threat to carry a whole movie. They'd be great as supporting villains though.

[Young Justice]

I don't think Livewire or Metallo are enough of a threat to carry a whole movie. They'd be great as supporting villains though.

Metallo works well with Luthor because of the Kryptonite.

It was great on Post-Crisis continuity when Luthor didn't had the Kryptonite at first then Metallo showed up by himself, almost killed Superman who was saved in the last minute by Luthor who wanted to kill Supes by himself. It was only then that Luthor had his first Kryptonite rock.

[CyclonatorZ]

I really don't want Zod to be in the movie. Why is everyone so obsessed about Zod?!? It's always Zod or Luthor! Zod or Luthor!


Well, if it has to be one of them, I'd much rather have Zod, as he's only been the villian of one movie. Luthor, on the other hand, has been such a spotlight hog that I hope we don't see him in a major role for at least another decade. :p

[suss2it]

Metallo works well with Luthor because of the Kryptonite.

It was great on Post-Crisis continuity when Luthor didn't had the Kryptonite at first then Metallo showed up by himself, almost killed Superman who was saved in the last minute by Luthor who wanted to kill Supes by himself. It was only then that Luthor had his first Kryptonite rock.
True, but I think we've seen enough of live-action Luthor. That's why I'd rather Brainiac, or another villain be the main event. Save Luthor for the sequel.

[BatKid]

http://herocomplex.latimes.com/2011/03/27/amy-adams-will-be-lois-lane/?dlvrit=63378

Superman news: Amy Adams will be Lois Lane
March 27, 2011 | 10:53 a.m.

This just in — three-time Oscar nominee Amy Adams will play journalist Lois Lane in Hollywood’s revival of Superman.

http://latimesherocomplex.files.wordpress.com/2011/03/amy-adams1.jpg?w=373&h=450

The 36-year-old star got the news on Sunday from director Zack Snyder, who phoned her from Paris, where he was promoting his just-opened film, “Sucker Punch.” There had been a crush of Hollywood interest in the lead female role in the Warner Bros. project but Snyder said that after meeting with Adams she was the clear choice to take on a character that dates back to 1938 and has long represented the strong, professional woman who can hold her own against any man – even if he can leap tall buildings in a single bound.

“There was a big, giant search for Lois,” Snyder said. “For us it was a big thing and obviously a really important role. We did a lot of auditioning but we had this meeting with Amy Adams and after that I just felt she was perfect for it.”

Snyder declined to discuss the precise prominence of Lois in the story or any plot details about the film but he said the role is “a linchpin” to the project and that he considers it essential that Lois — a Roosevelt-era creation – arrives on screen in 2012 with contemporary appeal and spirit.

“It goes back to what I’ve said about Superman and making him really understandable for today. What’s important to us is making him relevant and real and making him empathetic to today’s audience so that we understand the decisions he makes. That applies to Lois as well. She has to be in the same universe as him [in tone and substance].”

Mod Note: Image downsized to link. Seriously people, please stop posting gigantic images.

[underdog]

I like. Amy Adams is a fabulous actress, I can really see her knocking this out of the park.

[Knight]

Not really that great looking and a lil on the old side but I guess she'll work as Lois.

[Jacob T. Paschal]

She was the quest star of "Craving", a Season One episode of Smallville. It's supposedly a bad episode. :p

[Bat-Fan Beyond]

At first I was thinking when they announced this it was Rachel McADAMS -- and I thought GREAT! But I don't even know who Amy Adams is -- I still have yet to see The Fighter.

I guess we'll see how she does, but I'm still a little disappointed it wasn't Rachel McAdams as Lois Lane. :sad:

[Scott Pilgrim]

I can dig it. At the very least, we don't have Hollywood's flavour of the month *coughMeganFoxcough* lazily cast as Lois for this one.

[underdog]

I can dig it. At the very least, we don't have Hollywood's flavour of the month *coughMeganFoxcough* lazily cast as Lois for this one.

I agree completely. Amy Adams is a versatile actress ranging from a soft spoken nun in "Doubt" to a disillusioned princess in "Enchaned" to a rough and sexy love interest in "The Fighter". She's very talented.

[Lord Dalek]

Sucker Punch flops. (http://www.thehdroom.com/news/Wimpy-Kid-Overpowers-Weekend-Box-Office-with-24.4-Million/8695) This may put a crimp on Zach Snyder's future career plans.

[dmxx116]

Great choice for Lois Lane,This is shaping up to being one fantastic cast. All in all, She is a gazillion times better than Kate Bosworth who was crap and boring in Superman Returns and one of the main reason I can never watch that movie again.

Next announcement the Villains.

[Wonderwall]

I like Amy Adams and at least she won't look like a kid playing grown up like the last Lois. So far, aside from Costner, the cast is looking alright. I'm still a little on the fence when it comes to Diane Lane and I have no opinion on the guy playing Supes as I've never seen him before. Now if they can somehow get rid of Snyder, wishful thinking probably:p

[Jongoco]

Anyone think she was picked to take heat off sucker punch




as for the pick

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(http://images.askmen.com/galleries/actress/erica-durance/pictures/erica-durance-picture-2.jpg)http://blastr.com/assets_c/2011/03/amyadams-thumb-550x550-59670.jpg (http://blastr.com/assets_c/2011/03/amyadams-thumb-550x550-59670.jpg)


i don't know

[the greenman]

Once again, they're casting against type. She's not a brunette. She can probably play the part, but we will have to wait and see.

[suss2it]

Once again, they're casting against type. She's not a brunette. She can probably play the part, but we will have to wait and see.

In this day and age I don't see how hair colour is of any importance, since it can easily be dyed to whatever hair colour a movie needs.

[defunctzombie]

Yeah, along with destroying it in the process. There's no need to dye hair when a wig will do.

[Spaceman]

Putting aside my hatred of the director, Amy Adams is a great choice for Lois Lane. She's proving herself as a legit great actress.

[DisneyBoy]

Not really that great looking and a lil on the old side but I guess she'll work as Lois.

...sadly, kind of what I thought too, but on the plus (and these are ultimately more important), she's charming and a serious actress. They'll have real chemistry, I'm sure (Cavill can have it with anybody) and this Lois won't feel flat or ditzy.

I'm not too upset.

EDIT: Never mind on me agreeing she's not "great looking". I liked her on Smallville (she kicked BUTT in a really stupid stupid plotline) and I'd rather see her than a "hot" girl.

[Young Justice]

...sadly, kind of what I thought too, but on the plus (and these are ultimately more important), she's charming and a serious actress. They'll have real chemistry, I'm sure (Cavill can have it with anybody) and this Lois won't feel flat or ditzy.

I'm not too upset.

EDIT: Never mind on me agreeing she's not "great looking". I liked her on Smallville (she kicked BUTT in a really stupid stupid plotline) and I'd rather see her than a "hot" girl.

I've always thought Lois was a little older than Clark. I mean, she is a very talented and important reporter and Clark is a newbie on the job. Makes sense, she being the "senior" when compared the two of them.

[Vanitas]

Amy Adams? Never would have guessed that, but a good choice. :cool:

[Batman]

Amy's a great choice for Lois and I wish her all the best . Although IMO Erica Durance is MY Lois Lane now and forever. Durance & Welling are this generations quintessential Lois and Clark . Their on screen chemistry is incredible and very iconic to the source material found in the comics.
http://img819.imageshack.us/img819/6487/smallville612e7.jpg
http://img824.imageshack.us/img824/6866/608px1280x720xsv1014198.jpg

[the greenman]

Snyder gets early criticism about Superman:

http://www.movieline.com/2011/03/what-in-the-name-of-god-was-warner-bros-thinking-when-they-gave-the-superman-keys-to-zack-snyder.php

[Lord Dalek]

Snyder gets early criticism about Superman:

http://www.movieline.com/2011/03/what-in-the-name-of-god-was-warner-bros-thinking-when-they-gave-the-superman-keys-to-zack-snyder.php
Looks like the Meme is starting to kick in.

[Young Justice]

Snyder gets early criticism about Superman:

http://www.movieline.com/2011/03/what-in-the-name-of-god-was-warner-bros-thinking-when-they-gave-the-superman-keys-to-zack-snyder.php

Snyder is known to be over the top, and I think that what I didn't like too much in 300 but it was a good film nevertheless.

Watchmen was a good movie. It's slow, but it's how the original comic series are intended to be. It suffers from over the top moments (less than 300 though) but it worked most of the times. It wasn't a commercial success but that's not in discussion here. It shows that Snyder can be respectful to the comic book media and that's a good aspect in my book.

So my point is: Not all works of Snyder are bombs. Of course he has some bombs in his CV, but not all.

With this movie being produced and overviewed by Christopher Nolan, I think it's an assurance that not all things will go bad in the worst case scenario. We might have a good movie after all.

The cast so far looks OK. Amy Adams was the best pick in my opinion. Let's wait for the villains.

[Azeke]

Snyder gets early criticism about Superman:

http://www.movieline.com/2011/03/what-in-the-name-of-god-was-warner-bros-thinking-when-they-gave-the-superman-keys-to-zack-snyder.php
They needed reviews for Sucker Punch to see that picking Snyder over Arronovsky or even Affleck was a monumentally stupid decision? :shrug:

[dmxx116]

Amy Adams, who has been cast as Lois Lane in Zack Snyder's upcoming Superman reboot, talks about why she decided to play this role and more:

http://herocomplex.latimes.com/2011/03/30/amy-adams-thinks-lois-lane-is-super-you-dont-have-to-be-a-man-to-be-powerful/?dlvrit=57774

I'm liking her for Lois already.

[BatKid]

They needed reviews for Sucker Punch to see that picking Snyder over Arronovsky or even Affleck was a monumentally stupid decision? :shrug:
Aronofsky is too much of an auteur for something like this, and Affleck passed. As huge fans of both (as directors), I'm glad they're not directing this. Zack has his issues, but his utter admiration for the genre and his unique visual talents could make quite a combination with a solid script and good preparation from Nolan.

Anyway, Cavill made a public appearance on the red carpet today, and this is how he looks. Keep in mind they shoot at the end of summer, so Henry's got at least 3 months to bulk up considerably:

http://i899.photobucket.com/albums/ac199/uaala/AP110330042737.jpg
http://www1.pictures.zimbio.com/gi/Sucker+Punch+Premiere+Outside+Arrivals+ff3q5gINW3jl.jpg
http://media.tiscali.co.uk/images/galleries/news/daily/20110330/large/20110330_22_gyi0064133815.jpg


Also, some select quotes from Snyder over the past week:


“Henry's manly, sure, аnd substantial аѕ hell. Bυt hе аlѕο hаѕ thаt small bit οf innocence thаt уου want. Hе doesn't feel jaded,”

"As you know, he was up for the role before. That was 8 years ago I think. And I think now, the thing's that awesome, the thing that i love about him is that he's a man. And I think it's been a while since we had a manly Superman. And also, he has this little bit of kindness which is important."

"Amy is really just an amazing talent. I think she grounds the part in a really amazing way, for me anyway. She's beautiful and she's smart. What we're trying to do with the project, she just really sort of embodies everything we're going for."

"Literally, the one thing that everyone can start to think about is that we're making a movie that finally goes with the approach that there's been no other Superman movies,"

"If you look at Batman Begins, there's that structure: there's the canon that we know about and respect, but on other hand there's this approach that pre-supposes that there haven't been any other movies. In every aspect of design and of story, the whole thing is very much from that perspective of 'Respect the canon but don't be a slave to the movies.'"

"I think the visual style of 'Superman,' though I can’t say for certain as it’s early, but I kind of feel like — and I did say to the studio – that what’s cool for me and interesting, and odd, is that 'Superman' is probably going to be the most realistic movie I’ve ever made."

"It’s a chance to do it for real. I think 300 and Watchmen are both particular in their graphic novels. I almost don’t even see them as superhero movies. I see them as they’re both novels. It’s all about the story and the way the story exists as a work of literature. For me, Superman is a whole other thing. He’s a character that we get to explore. I can make a movie that’s not an indictment but really a celebration of the character. ... I guess we’ll see how the action unfolds but the way I talk about Superman, the way I’ve been talking to everyone about shooting it is trying to get Superman to exist in the real world and be a character that lives in our world. So it’s a much more realistic, it’ll probably be the most realistic movie I’ve ever photographed."

"I think the visual style of “Superman,” though I can’t say for certain as it’s early, but I kind of feel like — and I did say to the studio – that what’s cool for me and interesting, and odd, is that “Superman” is probably going to be the most realistic movie I’ve ever made. It’s kind of fun that the most realistic movie I probably will make is a movie called “Superman.” Which shows how crazy my other movies are. Because I guess for him to be credible… He gets more credible by the reality that you can bring to him, you know emotionally, and visually, I think."

[suss2it]

Also, some select quotes from Snyder over the past week:

He certainly said all the right things, here's hoping he'll back it up when it comes time to shoot.

[Shawn Hopkins]

Is there any chance that Snyder will just decide to do something else and leave Superman alone? I wouldn't mind waiting a little longer for a good Superman movie if it meant him not creating a really bad one that sends the franchise back into hibernation. Snyder's really good with visuals but he doesn't really seem to get heart and soul and metaphor, and those things are kind of important to a Superman story.

[the greenman]

The reason WB/DC pushed this film into production has to do with the rights issue/ lawsuit. I'm more worried about the script and the fact that Geoff Johns seems to have been pushed to the side in favor of Nolan on this and Batman for creative control over these projects.

As always they picked Snyder for his obvious comic rep, but also because they trust him to deliver on time and under budget. It may not be a great film, but it won't be "Superman Returns" deux.

[Yojimbo]

I'm not worried. Sure Snyder has passion for the genre but well...that stuff but Nolan is involved so I think Superman is in good hands, emphasis on plural. So I'd agree with Young Justice, as well.

[Bat-Fan Beyond]

I don't know why people are so worried about Zack Snyder doing Superman.

First of all, the movie is being produced by Chris Nolan, with a script by David Goyer and Nolan.

Snyder himself said that Superman is going to be more realistically grounded than any of his other films. If you want to use Sucker Punch as an example of Snyder's work, you must first consider that Sucker Punch, unlike his earlier films, was his own original story, which was a loveletter to every fantasy genre he adored. It may not be your cup of tea or maybe it is just style over substance, but no one can deny how spectacular it looks. Snyder may not be the best writer in the world, but he has a great eye and a strong sense of visual storytelling, and although it may seem like he goes overboard with style, we should feel confident that when he does use special effects and fancy cinematography in Superman to contrast the "grounded" moments, it will complement the story that Nolan and Goyer have already established for the film. If anything, Sucker Punch was Snyder perfecting his style, while at the same time getting some of that excessiveness out of his system.

So just relax and have faith in Snyder, or at the very least give him a chance before citing Sucker Punch or any of his other films as signs of Superman's doom. Every great film director has a stinker or two, and sometimes it's their first couple of films; Snyder, whether you like his past movies or not, is a director that has ambition and flair, and, despite some criticism and controversy, has made some interesting and entertaining films right out of the starting gate.

I liked his Dawn of the Dead remake and his adaptations of 300 and Watchmen, despite what flaws they may have.

[Azeke]

First of all, the movie is being produced by Chris Nolan, with a script by David Goyer and Nolan.
Nolan didn't wrote it.

So that just leaves us the scriptwriter of Blade III.



Snyder himself said that Superman is going to be more realistically grounded than any of his other films.
...

How this is a good thing?

Superman is gonna have a mechanical flying robo suit and laser shooting goggles?

[Young Justice]

Nolan didn't wrote it.

So that just leaves us the scriptwriter of Blade III.


...

How this is a good thing?

Superman is gonna have a mechanical flying robo suit and laser shooting goggles?

Being realistic is not the same as Superman will have his superpowers explained by today's science. Realistic is the tone of the story. How people would react by seeing a man flying. They could react as in mild fantasy, as if it was something normal, or more realistic and be shocked by that, and then show what implications would have in our society by an arrival of a Superman.

[Bat-Fan Beyond]

Nolan didn't wrote it.

So that just leaves us the scriptwriter of Blade III.



From what I've read, Nolan did his part in developing the script, so that counts.

And David Goyer is not a bad writer (Blade III didn't fail because he wrote it, it failed because he directed it). Goyer also wrote Blade I and II, Batman Begins, The Dark Knight, and Dark City -- all great films.

[Shawn Hopkins]

If you read that interview he's clearly only talking about the visuals being realistic, less stylized. Because with a Snyder film visuals are all that's there. Even when you hand him something to adapt that already has themes, meaning and emotion he somehow manages to lose them in the process.

[Spideyzilla]

From what I've read, Nolan did his part in developing the script, so that counts.

And David Goyer is not a bad writer (Blade III didn't fail because he wrote it, it failed because he directed it). Goyer also wrote Blade I and II, Batman Begins, The Dark Knight, and Dark City -- all great films.

He did not write The Dark Knight, he only co-wrote the story. The Nolan brothers wrote the screenplay.

[Bat-Fan Beyond]

He did not write The Dark Knight, he only co-wrote the story. The Nolan brothers wrote the screenplay.


Whatever. It's clear he's a good writer or else Nolan would never have used him once, let alone four times.

[DisneyBoy]

He does not need to "bulk up considerably". The man looks fine as he is. Look at that face! You want to see that all bloated by added pounds?

[AlgeaX]

I know it'll never happen, but I'd happily camp outside the theater for a month before the premier date if they got Grant Morrison to write the script.

[BatKid]

He does not need to "bulk up considerably". The man looks fine as he is. Look at that face! You want to see that all bloated by added pounds?
?

I was referring to his size. His face isn't gonna change drastically by putting on muscle. Snyder already said Cavill is on a strict workout regime starting tomorrow. They don't film until August. Definitely expect him to put on some weight, to match the likes of Evans and Hemsworth.

[Shawn Hopkins]

Superman really shouldn't be a huge jacked man like Hugh Jackman. He gets his power from the sun, not from muscles. About Christopher Reeve's physique is fine.

[BatKid]

Superman really shouldn't be a huge jacked man like Hugh Jackman. He gets his power from the sun, not from muscles. About Christopher Reeve's physique is fine.
If were solely about where his power originates, people would be ok with a skinny Superman. I think we both know that's not true.

It's also a matter of adapting the character's iconography, and make no mistake, Superman is typically depicted as being very tall and muscular. We can't expect a huge hulking mass, but it's not so far-fetched to expect he get to the size that our recent batch of superhero actors have achieved.

[Shawn Hopkins]

If were solely about where his power originates, people would be ok with a skinny Superman. I think we both know that's not true.

It's also a matter of adapting the character's iconography, and make no mistake, Superman is typically depicted as being very tall and muscular. We can't expect a huge hulking mass, but it's not so far-fetched to expect he get to the size that our recent batch of superhero actors have achieved.

Superman has always been fit and muscular but he's never really been about huge gym freak muscles. In fact, most of the classic Superman artists like Curt Swan and John Byrne have made him muscular, but not hulking. And none of the actors who have played him in the past have looked like steroid cases. A physique like Jackman's would be wrong for the part, so Cavill is pretty much already where he needs to be. C'mon, are we really going to debate whether a guy that looks like this:

http://cdn.buzznet.com/media-cdn/jj1/headlines/2010/05/shirtless-henry-cavill.jpg

is too skinny? He's like a Roman statue, for crying out loud.

[BatKid]

Under a suit, none of those muscles are going to show. He's very toned there but in size, no, not really big enough for Supes. Apparently Snyder feels the same or else he wouldn't have bothered to assign his '300' crew to whip Cavill into shape. I don't see how you can reference Swan, when he too has drawn quite a (realistically) large Supes:

http://www.rocketcomicsnow.com/wp-content/uploads/superman_johnbyrne.jpg

http://media.comicvine.com/uploads/5/54136/1706047-superman___john_byrne_splash_page_01_super.jpg

Here's Evans and Hemsworth:

http://www.popherald.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/11/captain-america-movie-chris-evans-02.jpg
http://celebritystatus.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/12/ChrisHemsworth-Thor-03.jpg

Compare all these pics and surely you can see Cavill pales in comparison. We'll just have to disagree here. But I suggest waiting until we get our first official shot before crying foul. It's very doubtful he can ever get too big for the part, after all.

[Bat-Fan Beyond]

Superman doesn't have to look like The Hulk, but he should look like he has some muscle mass and tone to effectively suggest to the audience's subconcious that he is a man of great physical strength. It's all about psychologically conveying and buying into the concept with visuals. Nobody wants to see a wimpy-looking Superman, so why would they invest in the idea of the character if they can't get past the look of the character? He needs to fill that costume well, or it will just look lame and put people off.

[Shawn Hopkins]

I'm sorry, but it they want a Superman who looks like Hemsworth, they don't really get the character. Superman is not a bodybuilder with Popeye arms, giant pectorals and bulging neck muscles. Evans is a little closer because he's smoother and less defined. Look at a Swan drawing. Heck, look at the images posted in this thread. Yes, he is a muscular man, but he doesn't have that "muscleman" look.

The muscles aren't that important in portraying a superhero. It's about an actor that can put forth presence and a sense of strength.

[Bat-Fan Beyond]

I'm sorry, but it they want a Superman who looks like Hemsworth, they don't really get the character. Superman is not a bodybuilder with Popeye arms, giant pectorals and bulging neck muscles. Evans is a little closer because he's smoother and less defined. Look at a Swan drawing. Heck, look at the images posted in this thread. Yes, he is a muscular man, but he doesn't have that "muscleman" look.

The muscles aren't that important in portraying a superhero. It's about an actor that can put forth presence and a sense of strength.

I know what you are saying, but you citing Swan's Superman as being okay, but Hemsworth's real physique as being wrong, is probably just going to add to confusion, because other than the fact that one is a drawing and one is a live person, they both pretty much have the same physical shape. Now if you're arguing that trying to acheive that Swan shape in real-life makes it look too extreme, then I can see where you are going.

Either way, I don't think anyone wants Superman to look like The Hulk, or Thor for that matter, but he should still look strong. And we certainly don't want him to be modelled after Ed McGuinness' Superman...

http://www.dccomics.com/media/product/5/4/5450_400x600.jpg




But, in a similar vein as Curt Swan and John Byrne, we do have Jim Lee, who is what Snyder has said is the ideal look for the character, and I'd have to agree...

http://blog.newsok.com/nerdage/files/2009/01/superman-204.jpg



And by the way, those two images that BatKid posted and everyone is talking about and referring to as Curt Swan's, are not Curt Swan's, but John Byrne's. This is Curt Swan's Superman...

http://www.supermantv.net/articles/gallery/curtswan2.jpg

[the greenman]

I've always thought Supes was just a big guy. You know, the Big N Tall variety. I'm thinking Patrick Warburton just more cut up. Though Warburton favors CC Beck's squinty SHAZAM, the body type fits Supes.

I think Alex Ross got him right.

[Shawn Hopkins]

First, yuck, Jim Lee. If their idea of how Superman should look comes from Jim Lee, they really don't get the character. Being a fan of Jim Lee's "style over substance" flash is exactly what I'd expect from Snyder.

I know the difference between Swan and Byrne.

If you look at a Swan drawing you'll see that, yes, Superman is big. But no one would call him hulking and he's not "cut" like he was taking a course of diuretics to remove all the water from his body. It's hard to tell with the cape, but he also has a normal human neck and shoulders.

Maybe they'll just end up putting the muscles on the suit.

http://www.starstore.com/acatalog/superman-costume-col.jpg

[Bat-Fan Beyond]

First, yuck, Jim Lee. If their idea of how Superman should look comes from Jim Lee, they really don't get the character. Being a fan of Jim Lee's "style over substance" flash is exactly what I'd expect from Snyder.

I know the difference between Swan and Byrne.

If you look at a Swan drawing you'll see that, yes, Superman is big. But no one would call him hulking and he's not "cut" like he was taking a course of diuretics to remove all the water from his body. It's hard to tell with the cape, but he also has a normal human neck and shoulders.

Look, I get what you are saying, but to say "They don't get the character" is just wrong on your part, because Superman has a long rich history that has developed and changed in a variety of ways, and not every artist, writer, film and television director or actor does him exactly the same. There is always room for interpretation and various sensibilities, as long as the consistent character traits and story elements are retained.

I suppose you feel that Bruce Timm did not get the character either?

Everybody's entitled to their opinion, but you are shoehorning Superman's look into your own ideal opinion and not leaving much room for so much more that has been done with the character. You are denying history.

Personally, Jim Lee's Superman is my favorite visually, other than John Byrne's. With all due respect to Curt Swan, his artwork is dated and a bit crude anatomically; It's not very realistic at all to me. His arm and legs often look too short and undefinied against that massive barrel chest. But I like it out of a sense of nostalgia. Though, I don't think his artwork is something one should be looking for as a template to build a live-action actor into Superman.

[Shawn Hopkins]

Look, I get what you are saying, but to say "They don't get the character" is just wrong on your part, because Superman has a long rich history that has developed and changed in a variety of ways, and not every artist, writer, film and television director or actor does him exactly the same. There is always room for interpretation and various sensibilities, as long as the consistent character traits and story elements are retained.


Okay, yes, I agree with this. I will allow that a differing interpretations are valid and that I have been thinking a little too narrowly about it. I still suspect Snyder's interpretation will be poor because of his track record, but I admit that it isn't necessarily wrong just because it isn't exactly like Curt Swan.

But I have to say that Jim Lee is not more "realistic" than Swan. Rendering a figure to death and drawing a lot of extraneous detail and muscle on it does not make it more realistic, and his underlying figures are just as stylized in their own way.

[dmxx116]

Henry Cavill, speaks briefly on the film's direction, and whether or not it's completely new:

http://www.mtv.com/videos/movies/638756/henry-cavill-talks-superman.jhtml

[BatKid]

Henry talks briefly (http://www.movieline.com/2011/04/henry-cavill-istraining-geeking-out-over-thought-of-donning-supermans-costume.php) on his ongoing physical training and trying on the suit:


Movieline caught up with future Superman Henry Cavill Saturday at WonderCon, where he’s scheduled to present footage from his upcoming Greek hero pic Immortals. More on his turn as the mud-speckled Greek hero Theseus to come; first, Cavill divulged details of how he’s currently training to become the Man of Steel, how he’s shaping his Supes body differently from his ab-tastic Immortals physique, and how his inner geek comes out as costume tests progress.

Cavill spent months on Tarsem’s Immortals constantly training, maintaining six percent body fat, and, he jokes, competing with his co-stars to see “who had the best abs.” Following the Immortals shoot, he filmed The Cold Light of Day with Bruce Willis and Sigourney Weaver, a project that allowed him to lay off the strict regimen. Then he got the Superman call.

“After a month of training with Mark Twight’s program for Gym Jones - he did 300 and Sucker Punch as well - this foundation phase has sort of got me back towards my fitness,” Cavill explained. “Not quite in Immortals shape like I was, but I’ve got the base there again. So the hard work really begins now when I go to L.A. That’s going to be exciting.” The future Clark Kent/Superman hasn’t yet begun specific action training for Superman. While he had to get into demigod shape for Immortals, Cavill explains that Superman’s physique will require him to shape his body differently, “back and beyond” what the Immortals shoot required.

“It’s going to be a different kind of shape. When you see the Immortals shape you’ll see what I mean. We obviously haven’t had the final brief yet, it’s going to adapt and change as far as when Mark sees my body adapting to the training he’ll go, ‘Okay, Henry can do this,’ or ‘Henry can’t do this,’ or ‘His body will look better like that.’ It’ll be fine-tuned and tweaked as we go along. But I think it’s going to be a different sort of shape from Immortals.”

The next step will be donning that iconic Superman costume, which is still being designed. “There have been some concept costume fittings,” said Cavill. “I’m so excited - it’s fantastic. Really, really fantastic. Sometimes… I mean, I’m sitting here talking to you about being Superman, for example. And then it dawns on me and I go, ‘Oh my God, I’m Superman!’ It’s really exciting and an incredible opportunity, so as soon as I’m jumping into the costume and stuff it starts to become real.”

“As soon as you don the cape and the S shield, it’s one of those things where you go, ‘Wow - this is real.’”

And another video interview (http://www.hitfix.com/blogs/motion-captured/posts/watch-henry-cavill-talks-about-his-first-time-in-the-superman-suit) with Henry speaking on the audition process and his past connection with the franchise, as well as a segment on him talking about researching the character (http://www.mtv.com/news/articles/1661187/wondercon-henry-cavill-superman.jhtml).

[dmxx116]

Superman Plot Details Revealed?:

http://www.movienewz.com/superman-reboot-plot-details-revealed/

[langden alger]

Superman Plot Details Revealed?:

http://www.movienewz.com/superman-reboot-plot-details-revealed/

If these plot points are true, this film should should really be interesting. It's really sounding more like 'Superman Begins' and a hint of both hulk movies-the way the love interest's general father is after the hero and creating his own monster weapon against him. I think this is a good way to handle Metallo and bring in a villan new to the big screen.'Guess we'll even get a hint of Luthor towards the end much like the Joker tease at the end of Begins.

[defunctzombie]

While I love Metallo, I'm getting sick of Superman origin stores. EVERYBODY knows it, quit making movies about it. Give me a strong plot with action from the get go, none of this "I don't know if I belong" stuff.

[BatKid]

Exactly how many movies had Superman's origin, again?

[defunctzombie]

Theatrically, just the original. But every tv show and cartoon has done it and it's stale.

[BatKid]

Well that's not much of an argument then, if the last film was over 30 years ago. TV audience aren't representative of the movie audience, they're only a very small portion. Ditto for the fans.

[rggkjg1]

General Sam Lane, the father of Lois Lane, is a central figure in director Zack Snyder’s Superman reboot. This really is as Zack described in several interviews about the film, a “real world” Superman. I’m told that when Superman arrives on the scene; people don’t know what to think. He’s an alien from another planet. What are his real intentions? He’s not human and that scares a lot of people. Here’s a guy who can fly, see through walls, is bullet proof and can lift a tank. The military views him as a potential threat to national security. They find kryptonite, pieces of his home planet, and discover its radioactive elements can be harnessed as a near unlimited source of power, both literally and figuratively. It’s a brand new form of energy that is secretly developed by the government. The military, under the direction of General Sam Lane, uses kryptonite to power an experimental cyborg super solider named Metallo. He’s ultimately exploited as a weapon against Superman.
sounds like superman: secret origin to me.

this is what i dont like, "people don't know what to think". HE'S SUPERMAN! people should know what to think. what does the guy have to do to prove himself (even if it's his first appearance on the scene) to the public?

[Bat-Fan Beyond]

I hope this isn't completely true. I would much rather see Brainiac than Metallo, but I guess it's better than getting Zod or just Luthor again.

[Wounded_Dragon]

I can't really point out anything wrong in the premise; however, it just feels too Batman-y for me. Fear, paranoia, control freaks all vibe Batman more than Superman (regardless of recent comics). It can still work but I fear anything short of excellent presentation will fail.

[dmxx116]

Lindsay Lohan Still Hoping For A Role In Superman: Man Of Steel?:

http://www.radaronline.com/exclusives/2011/04/exclusive-lindsay-lohan-audition-role-new-superman-week

This role is perfect for Lindsay Lohan to play a good minor villain..

http://www.worldsfinestonline.com/WF/superman/bios/villains/volcana/01.gif

[Vanitas]

'Guess we'll even get a hint of Luthor towards the end much like the Joker tease at the end of Begins.


Doubtful; that'd be redundant. Luthor will probably be there throughout most of the movie, though maybe just not as chief villain.

And the Metallo thing sounds like a total rip-off of the Abomination plotline from "The Incredible Hulk". I hope it's just a rumor and Braniac is still in; he'd fit much better than Metallo, IMO.

[Bat-Fan Beyond]

Doubtful; that'd be redundant. Luthor will probably be there throughout most of the movie, though maybe just not as chief villain.

And the Metallo thing sounds like a total rip-off of the Abomination plotline from "The Incredible Hulk". I hope it's just a rumor and Braniac is still in; he'd fit much better than Metallo, IMO.

Yep, give us Brainiac and Billy Zane as Lex Luthor and at least two of us will be happy.

[Bloody Marquis]

Lindsay Lohan Still Hoping For A Role In Superman: Man Of Steel?:

http://www.radaronline.com/exclusives/2011/04/exclusive-lindsay-lohan-audition-role-new-superman-week

This role is perfect for Lindsay Lohan to play a good minor villain..

http://www.worldsfinestonline.com/WF/superman/bios/villains/volcana/01.gif
You said this already. :shrug:

[Robin2099]

And the Metallo thing sounds like a total rip-off of the Abomination plotline from "The Incredible Hulk". I hope it's just a rumor and Braniac is still in; he'd fit much better than Metallo, IMO.

Metallo would fit better for a first movie. The thing that everyone is ignoring is that for a first movie, a plot line like "government experiment to destroy Superman" is easier to explain than "alien being which destroyed Superman's home planet know wants to destroy earth." For a sequel Braniac could be fine, but not a first movie. Plus, Metallo has more potential to show the dark side of what Superman could become whereas Brainiac is just a robot.



this is what i dont like, "people don't know what to think". HE'S SUPERMAN! people should know what to think. what does the guy have to do to prove himself (even if it's his first appearance on the scene) to the public?

And he can't just be that way at the end of the movie why exactly? For a movie this is a very interesting idea and one that has not been handled for a Superman origin ever.

[Hanshotfirst113]

If you read that interview he's clearly only talking about the visuals being realistic, less stylized. Because with a Snyder film visuals are all that's there. Even when you hand him something to adapt that already has themes, meaning and emotion he somehow manages to lose them in the process.

I think he's honest in his intentions, I just think that the deeper stuff tends to go over his head.


Snyder himself said that Superman is going to be more realistically grounded than any of his other films.

I'm not sure why. Superman isn't exactly known as a realistic character.


It may not be your cup of tea or maybe it is just style over substance, but no one can deny how spectacular it looks.

Perhaps, but with nothing to back it up, that doesn't mean much.


Snyder may not be the best writer in the world, but he has a great eye and a strong sense of visual storytelling

Visual style and visual storytelling aren't the same thing though.


I know the difference between Swan and Byrne.

20 years :p?



But I have to say that Jim Lee is not more "realistic" than Swan. Rendering a figure to death and drawing a lot of extraneous detail and muscle on it does not make it more realistic, and his underlying figures are just as stylized in their own way.

I think that Lee's aesthetic is sort of hyperrealistic.


Exactly how many movies had Superman's origin, again?

One.

I think that Metallo is probably the choice they're going with because he's not too outlandish looking. They can get an enemy that Superman can have big spectacular battles with but don't have to make him so special effects based that he looks too artifical.

[Young Justice]

And the Metallo thing sounds like a total rip-off of the Abomination plotline from "The Incredible Hulk".

I agree with you here. The plot outline sound too much lik Hulk stories, including "Incredible Hulk" movie than Superman stories.

I think it's interesting to play with government paranoia on Superman, an angle that was not used too often before.

But the whole General that is father of the hero's girlfriend is afraid of the hero's power and decide to go black ops to create a weapon to fight the hero is too much Hulk in my opinion.

[Spideyzilla]

I'm not sure why. Superman isn't exactly known as a realistic character.


I think it's meant to be about his visual style. Snyder has always been based around a unique, washed out color pallet, slow motion, etc. I think he means he's abandoning his normal style for something a little more realistic looking

[DisneyBoy]

I think that plot description emphasizes the military plot-line likely more than what we'd see in the movie. I don't think they'll go too political with this. They'll want to make it uplifting and happy, I think, to counter-act Superman Returns.

I'm just happy to hear a new villain is getting their chance.

[Vanitas]

But the whole General that is father of the hero's girlfriend is afraid of the hero's power and decide to go black ops to create a weapon to fight the hero is too much Hulk in my opinion.


Exactly. I'm not saying Metallo can't be in the movie, but if that's the origin story they're doing for him...it just reminds me waaay too much of the 2008 Hulk film.



I'm not sure why. Superman isn't exactly known as a realistic character.



Yeah, my biggest fear about this is it's just going to be Nolan-Batman but with Superman.

Batman has no powers. A more realistic version of him works. But Superman? :sweat:

[BatKid]

People are vastly misinterpreting the term. Read the quotes I posted 2 pages back. Snyder is referring to his outlandish style not making a return in this film. His film will look like our world, that just had a god inserted into its realm. It is only similar to Nolan's batfilms in that it will bring the outrageous into a familiar (read: realistic) world, rather than having the backdrop be one whose supernatural entities are of a natural occurrence.

[Young Justice]

Yeah, my biggest fear about this is it's just going to be Nolan-Batman but with Superman.

Batman has no powers. A more realistic version of him works. But Superman? :sweat:


People are vastly misinterpreting the term. Read the quotes I posted 2 pages back. Snyder is referring to his outlandish style not making a return in this film. His film will look like our world, that just had a god inserted into its realm. It is only similar to Nolan's batfilms in that it will bring the outrageous into a familiar (read: realistic) world, rather than having the backdrop be one whose supernatural entities are of a natural occurrence.

Being realistic is not the same as not having fantastical and extraordinary elements inserted.

Cloverfield is a realistic movie. It's "What if in our real world a big monster appearead and started to destory everything?.

District 9 is a realistic movie. It's "What if in our real world a spaceship from another planet crashed and left behind a lot of working class aliens?"

Both have fantastical and extraordinary events as the main part of the story but both are very realistic.

The key to a story being realistic is that people react to such events as if they were in our real world. The writers extrapolate those reactions from experience on what people react or don't react to similar events in the real life.

[defunctzombie]

Well that's not much of an argument then, if the last film was over 30 years ago. TV audience aren't representative of the movie audience, they're only a very small portion. Ditto for the fans.
But this is Superman we're talking about. He's almost 75 years old. Literally everyone and their grandmothers know who he is and where he came from.

[Young Justice]

But this is Superman we're talking about. He's almost 75 years old. Literally everyone and their grandmothers know who he is and where he came from.

People in general know that he came from Krypton and stuff. But they don't really know what makes Superman tick. Why he is the greatest superhero of all time. They just know he is but not the reason behind it.

They don't know that he cares more from his Earthly family than his Kryptonian one. And this is partly because of Donner's movie that didn't focused on Johnathan and Martha Kent enough, preferring to give much more time to Marlon Brando's Jor-El.

I think it's time to general movie audiences get to know the Post-Crisis Superman, more human and less Kryptonian.

[Wonderwall]

People in general know that he came from Krypton and stuff. But they don't really know what makes Superman tick. Why he is the greatest superhero of all time. They just know he is but not the reason behind it.

They don't know that he cares more from his Earthly family than his Kryptonian one. And this is partly because of Donner's movie that didn't focused on Johnathan and Martha Kent enough, preferring to give much more time to Marlon Brando's Jor-El.

I think it's time to general movie audiences get to know the Post-Crisis Superman, more human and less Kryptonian.

I don't think you really need an origin though to tell that type of story. At least not an in depth origin, something quick like All Star Superman would probably do.

[Superpan]

Personally, I'm of the opinion that if someone has a good enough take on the origin story, then let them tell it. Whatever works for their version of Superman best, I say.

[dmxx116]

Warner Bros. Pictures and Legendary Pictures announced today that Michael Shannon will star in the role of General Zod in director Zack Snyder’s new Superman film, titled “Man of Steel:

http://www.businesswire.com/news/home/20110410005083/en/Michael-Shannon-Star-General-Zod-%E2%80%9CMan-Steel%E2%80%9D

Why Why Use Zod again I want to see new Superman villains that had never been on screen before. And Superman has a lot of villains that you can use.