Bugs and Daffy 03-29-2002 (1pm)

[Pilmedium]

The Million-Hare (1963, Bugs Bunny/Daffy Duck)
Porky in Wackyland (1938, Porky Pig) (computer colorized)
Show Biz Bugs (1957, Bugs Bunny/Daffy Duck)
Devil May Hare (1954, Bugs Bunny/Tasmanian Devil)
A Bird in a Guilty Cage (1952, Tweety/Sylvester)
The Bee-Deviled Bruin (1949, The Three Bears)

[PorkyandDaffy]

PORKY IN WACKYLAND (1938)
A classic. Pure and simple.
5/5

SHOW BIZ BUGS (1957)
I'm not crazy about this because a) I don't like the Bugs & Daffy rival cartoons except the Hunters Trilogy and a few other exceptions, and b) a lot of gags are reused from the funnier CURTAIN RAZOR (1949). This could have been better and more original.
2/5

DEVIL MAY HARE (1954)
The debut of Tazmanian Devil, who’s a popular character in his own right, despite being in only a handful of cartoons. He was a hilarious character, and and was another good foil for Bugs.
4/5

THE BEE-DEVILED BRUIN (1949)
Oh my god, I LOVE this cartoon. The Three Bears cartoons are all hilarious, but this is my absolute favorite of them. Filled with hilarious non-stop gags, and even the ending shot is classic. I was laughing hard the whole time.
5/5

[Daffyfan2002]

<<SHOW BIZ BUGS (1957)
I'm not crazy about this because a) I don't like the Bugs & Daffy rival cartoons except the Hunters Trilogy and a few other exceptions, and b) a lot of gags are reused from the funnier CURTAIN RAZOR (1949). This could have been better and more original.
2/5>>

In a way, I agree with you. That's not be the best Bugs & Daffy rival cartoon, but I really liked "The Million Hare."

[Pilmedium]

"The Million-Hare"... This was not funny. It was just another television spoof. The constant jokes about television is (to me) a reason WB cartoons started to go down in the 1950s, and continued lower into the 60s.

"Porky in Wackyland"... A great cartoon completely ruined by colorization. Refused to watch.

"Show Biz Bugs"... Daffy is a little too much of an egoist here, but the designs are nice.

"Devil May Hare"... Not bad, except for the fact that it introduced "Taz", the now infamous character.

"A Bird in a Guilty Cage"... The cartoon was interesting, but they could have thought of a better title.

[Mike]

Originally posted by Pilmedium
"The Million-Hare"... This was not funny. It was just another television spoof. The constant jokes about television is (to me) a reason WB cartoons started to go down in the 1950s, and continued lower into the 60s.

Can't you say that there were the same amount of jokes about movies and celebrities in late 30s/early 40s? WB cartoons went downhill in the late '50s and early '60s for several reasons (animation budget cutbacks, poor writing, etc.), but TV references was not one of them.


"Porky in Wackyland"... A great cartoon completely ruined by colorization. Refused to watch.

Oh well now I wouldn't say that. Not as good, sure, but completely ruined? It's still better than "Dough for the Do-Do."


"A Bird in a Guilty Cage"... The cartoon was interesting, but they could have thought of a better title.

I thought the title was clever, a spin on the phrase "bird in a gilded cage."

Mike

[Jack]

Originally posted by Mike

Oh well now I wouldn't say that. Not as good, sure, but completely ruined? It's still better than "Dough for the Do-Do."

really? I love the color remake just as much as the original :p If any cartoon on CN is ruined by the print they show, it's "Dough For The Do Do."


Jack :D

[Thad Komorowski]

Yeah, "Porky in Wackyland", IMO, looks even BETTER in color! :D :cool:


-Thad

[Pilmedium]

Originally posted by Mike
Can't you say that there were the same amount of jokes about movies and celebrities in late 30s/early 40s? WB cartoons went downhill in the late '50s and early '60s for several reasons (animation budget cutbacks, poor writing, etc.), but TV references was not one of them.

Movies and celebrities? I don't see that as a problem. Television might be one reason the now-classic cartoons ended production, which is why the original comment was made.

[Jack]

Actually, I was referring to Dough For the Do-Do, I actually do like that one just as much as Porky In Wackyland....



Jack :D

[Thad Komorowski]

Yeah, "Dough for the Do-Do" isn't that bad. Just pick up a copy of "Taz's Jungle Jams". Trust me, you won't be dissapointed...;)


-Thad

[PorkyandDaffy]

I don't see why so many people like A DOUGH FOR THE DO-DO. It's basically the exact same thing as PORKY IN WACKYLAND, and it was not original at all. And a masterpiece like PORKY IN WACKYLAND doesn't deserve to be copied, especially by someone who didn't even direct the original film. Bob Clampett should have been credited in the remake somehow, since Freleng took his ideas.

[J Lee]

Remember, the reason why they remade "Porky In Wackyland" was becanse the studio believed they could not re-release black & white cartoons. If you don't like "Dough for the Do-Do" because it's a color remake, then you have to apply the same standard to "Back Alley Oproar," "Little Orphan Airdale," "Slightly Daffy," "Wagon Heels" and "Tick-Tock Tuckered." All were remade in color because J.L. thought that after 1943, people didn't want to watch black & white cartoons (making Jack Warner and the other studio execs the godfathers of today's "No black and white cartoons" attitude Cartoon Network has).

[PorkyandDaffy]

It doesn't bother me that it's a COLOR remake, it just bothers me that they tried to remake PORKY IN WACKYLAND without Clampett's credit. For cartoons like BACK ALLEY OP-ROAR and TICK TOCK TUCKERED, I don't mind because first off, they were remade by their original directors, and second off, they're even funnier then the original version.

[Jack]

Originally posted by PorkyandDaffy
It doesn't bother me that it's a COLOR remake, it just bothers me that they tried to remake PORKY IN WACKYLAND without Clampett's credit.
Clampett wasn't working there anymore, they weren't allowed to credit people who had left the studio. It seems the only people who could be credited on their last cartoons are those who died.

Freleng didn't take Clampett's ideas and claim them as his own either. It was actually a mystery for a while who was responsible for the remake since it only has two credits.


Jack :D

[PorkyandDaffy]

Freleng didn't take Clampett's ideas and claim them as his own either. It was actually a mystery for a while who was responsible for the remake since it only has two credits.

Oops, you're right, I forgot that Freleng wasn't even credited for that cartoon. Maybe it was better that way, since Clampett wasn't able to be credited since he didn't work there anymore, and it wouldn't have been right for Freleng to take all the credit.

[Thad Komorowski]

I have a feeling that "Dough for the Do-Do" was a way for WB to re-release the highly acclaimed "Porky in Wackyland" to theatres. WB didn't reissue B&W cartoons, so this is probably the way they thought of doing it.

Also, I think "Wagon Heels" is a LOT better than "Injun Trouble" (1938), though the original has it's moments...


-Thad

[J Lee]

Freleng does get credit for one Clampett remake -- 1944's "Slightly Daffy" which originally was 1939's "Scalp Trouble." Also Jones' "Little Orphan Airdale" was originally done by Clampett as "Porky's Pooch."

Other than one or two scenes and the "new look/slower voiced" Daffy, there isn't much difference between the first two cartoons, while there is a difference in gags and design between the latter two, but the theme of the cartoon and the set-up is the same (I prefer the latter because Jones, Maletse and Pierce came up with a far more cynical ending).

For "Porky In Wackyland" and "Dough for the Do-Do," I actually like two of the three new main gags better than the gags from the original -- Porky floating against the cranked backdrop vs. him going down the drainpipe and into a pan, and the Porky's end disguise as another Do-Do (and the aftermath) instead of dressing up as a newsboy.

The parachuted brick gag they added slows the momentum of the cartoon compared with the original, IMHO, but I still consider both cartoons to be Clampett's, the same way "Bacall to Arms" is basically a Clampett cartoon, even though Arthur Davis finished it.