Has a new multiverse been created?

[Heeroyuy_Batman]

Seeing the similarity in character designs of Wonder Woman, Green Lantern: First Flight, Justice League: Crisis on Two Earths, Batman: Under the Red Hood, and Young Justice as well as Bruce Greenwood playing Batman in both B:UtRH and YJ, is this all just The Powers That Be saving money? Or is a new animated multiverse being created with links to the Timm-Dini-Burnett-verse and the new DC comics multiverse?

[Blue Beetle]

You mean a new DCAU?
Not officially, who knows what they really meant with that Earth 16 comment, personally I do consider the DTVs like WW/GL/Co2Es/UtRH to be in continuity but I don't think we'll get any official answers or contradictions either way though.

[Heeroyuy_Batman]

You mean a new DCAU?

Yes and no to do I mean a new DCAU. Let me explain. The DCAU was more than one universe. It was a multiverse. There was the Justice Lords universe, the Justice Guild universe, and the "Brave New Metropolis" universe. Plus, I would argue that because of some interviews James Tucker gave and certain easter eggs Legion of Super Heroes and Superman: Doomsday are officially in the DCAU multiverse. I would also argue that though not as official as LOSH and Superman: Doomsday that Superman: Brainiac Attacks is pretty obviously within the multiverse. Also, since it's also pretty obvious that there was a DCAU version of the events in Justice League: Crisis on Two Earths that CoTE is also in this multiverse or at least connected. Now, here's my point, in as far as being a new multiverse, yes, I do mean a new DCAU. As far as WW, GL: FF, JL: CoTE, B: UtRH, and YJ being the same continuity, thereby making a new DCAU in that sense, I won't go that far yet.


Not officially, who knows what they really meant with that Earth 16 comment, personally I do consider the DTVs like WW/GL/Co2Es/UtRH to be in continuity but I don't think we'll get any official answers or contradictions either way though.

Here's a quote from the IGN article on Young Justice to explain the Earth 16 placement of the series: "As explained, Young Justice will take place with [sic] the DC multiverse on Earth-16. As a conscious choice, DC chose this world as it is untapped, which allowed them to set the rules and conditions for their universe."

But the larger point to this thread is examining the ramifications of the possibility that a new multiverse has been created that is linked via YJ to the DC comics multiverse and via JL: CoTE to the DCAU multiverse. Also, up for consideration in this thread is the ramifications of Earth-12 which is either a version of the DCAU or is actually the DCAU itself (either the animated version or the comics version) and its connections. So far, to my knowledge, there has been no official word as to whether or not Earth-12 is the actual DCAU or not. All that is known is that elements from the main DC universe are being added. However, this doesn't necessarily make it not the actual DCAU anymore than there being only 1 Green Lantern per the seven galaxies and the present GL being Hal Jordan II make it not the actual DCAU.

[suss2it]

You mean a new DCAU?
Not officially, who knows what they really meant with that Earth 16 comment, personally I do consider the DTVs like WW/GL/Co2Es/UtRH to be in continuity but I don't think we'll get any official answers or contradictions either way though.

WW & CO2E do contradict each other because Wonder Woman can't fly in the former and acquired her invisible jet differently in both.

[tenderheartbear]

I guess you can link anything if you want to. Just because same voice actors are used to play the same character doesn't mean anything, other than the fact they have a good voice for the role.

Neither Superman: Braniac Attacks or Superman/Batman: Public Enemies ore related to each other or respective shows even though they feature the same artists, style or both. It's the same for Casino Royale, Judie Dench in 'M', but that means nothing. Even if nothing specifically conflicts with a previous incarnation doesn't preclude it as part of a larger whole. The same goes for shows like Doctor Who, where previous stories actually conflict with later stories. That doesn't exclude it from being canon.

Utimately, I think each new DTV should be considered separate unless it actively links to something else.

[Superpan]

Well, I've given my personal thoughts on this.

WARNER'S OPINION: We don't officially tie anything together.

FAN'S OPINON: HEY, I CAN TIE THIS TOGETHER.

That said two things.

1: Where did the Earth 16 comment come from? I thought it might have been a mistaken reference to my multiverse timeline, but now I'm confused.

2: On my timeline, there's at least ten years between Woner Woman and Crisis on Two Earths. So, that leaves enough time for her to gain the ability to fly and to lose her first invisible jet, so she can get a replacement from the Crime Syndicate Earth. Which reminds me...I forgot something!

[suss2it]

2: On my timeline, there's at least ten years between Woner Woman and Crisis on Two Earths. So, that leaves enough time for her to gain the ability to fly and to lose her first invisible jet, so she can get a replacement from the Crime Syndicate Earth. Which reminds me...I forgot something!I could buy the learning to fly later, but the invisibly jet explanation jet you gave is way to contrived for me to buy it.

[Superpan]

What, planes get shot down all the time in adventure stories? How is it implausible that maybe someone shot down Wonder Woman's first invisible plane in an adventure? That would be a great scene to have in a movie.

"Don't woory, Steve, no one will see us in our invisible plane"

BOOM

"Oh no, they just shot us down, because they can see us! This guy must be tough!"

One fight scene later...

"Well, I guess he wasn't so tough after all. WONDER WOMAN!"

Roll Credits

Are you listening, Warner Brothers? There's a DTV just waiting for you.

[suss2it]

What, planes get shot down all the time in adventure stories? How is it implausible that maybe someone shot down Wonder Woman's first invisible plane in an adventure? That would be a great scene to have in a movie.

"Don't woory, Steve, no one will see us in our invisible plane"

BOOM

"Oh no, they just shot us down, because they can see us! This guy must be tough!"

One fight scene later...

"Well, I guess he wasn't so tough after all. WONDER WOMAN!"

Roll Credits

Are you listening, Warner Brothers? There's a DTV just waiting for you.
It's not likely that an invisible jet would get shot down, and it's even more unlikely that the same character would acquire a new one by completely different means.

[Superpan]

It's likely a jet would get shot down by anti-aircraft guns, invisible or not.

Also she went to a parallel universe. That means it would be the same as her's, except different. I know it doesn't happen in the real world, but she obviously needed an invisible plane, so she kept the one she got.

It's also unlikely that Luke Skywalker would buy the droid with the Death Star plans that his father was after, but that's fiction for ya.

[suss2it]

It's likely a jet would get shot down by anti-aircraft guns, invisible or not.

Also she went to a parallel universe. That means it would be the same as her's, except different. I know it doesn't happen in the real world, but she obviously needed an invisible plane, so she kept the one she got.

It's also unlikely that Luke Skywalker would buy the droid with the Death Star plans that his father was after, but that's fiction for ya.
The jets weren't parallels of each other though because one was an army jet and the other a personal jet. And why does she need an invisible plane? It was a spoil of war.

My point is if you have to think up contrived coincidences for the movies to line up in the same timeline, they're most likely not part of the same timeline.

[Superpan]

NOTHING BESIDES THE DCAU IS OFFICIALLY CANON WITH ANYTHING ELSE.

I find it fun to tie the movies together in a timeline and see what that DC universe is like. The changes between movies to me suggest adventures that I can make up in my head. That's the fun part is creating the universe in my head. I'm not saying that these movies are "officially" in continuity, but that's how I put them in my head. So if someone wants to see them in continuity, I have a story for that. If you don't, you don't have to. That's my opinion.

Besides, I haven't mentioned the headache that is the Marvel entertainment multiverse. That one is one of contrived crisises.

[KillerMoth]

So if someone wants to see them in continuity, I have a story for that. If you don't, you don't have to. That's my opinion.

So by your logic I can make Indiana Jones and Public Enemies in canon? Because that's not much of a stretch from what you're saying.

[Superpan]

Sure. Indiana Jones happened in the 30's and 40's, and Public Enemies happened in 2015.

Also, in the Wold Newton Universe, Indiana Jones, Superman, and Batman already exist in the same world. Same goes for League of Extraordinary Gentlemen's world.