"Young Justice (Animated Series)" News & Discussion Thread, Part 2 (Spoilers)

[James Harvey]

What if you’re not just a normal teenager? Young Justice is set to premiere November 2010 on Cartoon Network.


http://www.worldsfinestonline.com/news/images/t-yjposter.jpg (http://www.worldsfinestonline.com/news.php/news.php?action=fullnews&id=728)
Young Justice Poster: (Left to Right) Artemis, Robin, Kid Flash, Superboy, Miss Martian and Aqualad
"Young Justice" © Warner Bros. Entertainment Inc.
"Young Justice" and all related characters and elements are trademarks of and © DC ComicsOfficial Description:

Young Justice - In Young Justice, being a teenager means proving yourself over and over—to peers, parents, teachers, mentors and, ultimately, to yourself. But what if you’re not just a normal teenager? What if you’re a teenage super hero? Are you ready to join the ranks of the great heroes and prove you’re worthy of the Justice League? That’s exactly what the members of Young Justice — Robin, Aqualad, Kid Flash, Superboy, Miss Martian and Artemis—will find out, whether they have what it takes to be a proven hero. This all-new series is produced by Warner Bros. Animation and based upon characters from DC Comics. Sam Register (Teen Titans, Ben 10, Batman: The Brave and the Bold) is the executive producer. Brandon Vietti (Batman: Under the Red Hood, Superman Doomsday, The Batman) and Greg Weisman (Gargoyles, The Spectacular Spider-Man, W.I.T.C.H.) are the producers.

Keep it locked at toonzone News (http://www.toonzone.net/news/articles/33313/toonzone-at-the-cartoon-network-2010-upfront) and The World's Finest (http://www.worldsfinestonline.com/main.php) for the latest updates!

Previous Installments:
-Young Justice (Animated Series) News & Discussion Thread, Part 1 (http://www.toonzone.net/forums/showthread.php?t=267199)

[Dreyfus]

In regard to the CCI footage.


Keep in mind this is EARLY STUFF as far as the animation is concerned and some of the designs as well.

[firefoxprime]

CCI footage?

where?

[Matt Hazuda]

CCI footage?

where?Here (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZiOjAmXDjW4).

[Dreyfus]

From what little we've heard/seen so far, the show looks like it will be pretty awesome.

[firefoxprime]

Here (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZiOjAmXDjW4).


hehe...i thought he meant cgi/cci footage. Yeah, i'm up to speed on the wb producers clip. Thanks for the help Matt

[tmnachobat]

i collected a lot of yj comics, still there r character in this toon that i don´t remeber like miss martian and aqualad.

why didn´t hey use the original characters like arrowette, wonder girl?

[Yojimbo]

i collected a lot of yj comics, still there r character in this toon that i don´t remeber like miss martian and aqualad.

why didn´t hey use the original characters like arrowette, wonder girl?They added Miss Martian and Aqualad is a brand new character created for the In Brightest Day comics and this series. Arrowette and Wonder Girl will appear in the series, that much we know. Weisman and Vietti got plans.

[Azrayel]

I saw that video yesterday, I thought it was pretty cool to see we will have Speedy make an appearence in the show, and the likes of a lot of the Justice League members (two Green Lantern's now thats cool).

I am intrigued in the end when Greg said someone will die, my money is on Aqualad or Artemis.

[Dreyfus]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3yAqENib8VE

[Green-Ghost]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3yAqENib8VE

Thanks for the video!
I really like the part about Mr Freeze and other Batman villains ;)! Can't wait to how there designs turn out...

[suss2it]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3yAqENib8VE
They said that Batman is also the leader of the Justice League, not sure how I feel about that as I think Superman would be the ideal choice.

[Yojimbo]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3yAqENib8VENo firm air date yet but hoping for November. Sounds about right. While I yawned at the prospect of Batman villains showing up, that cryptic hint of other surprises from the Batman cast was interesting. There must be a big cold villain team up episode with Mr. Freeze, Captain Cold, Ice, and Icicle in it.

[W.C.Reaf]

They said that Batman is also the leader of the Justice League, not sure how I feel about that as I think Superman would be the ideal choice.

Batman fits the covert ops team that YJ is supposed to be in this better than Superman would.

[ashleesmach1]

New show is interesting. I did not like the old teen titan show at all. I never watched it, but for a few times. I'm happy the animation looks so good and the JL is involved. Good to see some type of Superman type character being included. :)

[Livy1213]

They said that Batman is also the leader of the Justice League, not sure how I feel about that as I think Superman would be the ideal choice.
Maybe they meant that he was more of a representative of the Justice League to the Young Justice group?

[suss2it]

Batman fits the covert ops team that YJ is supposed to be in this better than Superman would.

I agree, but they said that Batman is also the leader of the Justice League.

[Dreyfus]

http://www.comicbookresources.com/?page=article&id=27495

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This is from Ask Greg (http://www.s8.org/gargoyles/askgreg/latest.php). It's the only Young Justice related question Greg Weisman has responded to since he started back up.


1. How does your new job at Young Justice compare/contrast with your old Spectacular Spider-Man position?
2. Do you and Brandon Vietti have a professional relationship similar to the work you and Victor Cook did on Spectacular Spider-Man?
3. Does being a studio project vs. a syndicated project affect your work at all?
4. Does it feel quite a bit different working under the auspices DC Comics compared to Marvel?


1. All shows are different and unique, but it's basically the same job.
2. Yes.
3. Uh... I assume you mean network vs. syndicated, since EVERY show I've ever worked on was a studio project. But I don't think I've worked on a syndicated project since Roughnecks. There aren't a lot of significant differences, except perhaps that with no network, there's one less company looking over your shoulder.
4. Not significantly.

[Superpan]

So Bruce Greenwood is playing Batman, who looks like he did in Crisis on two earths? Keep on confirming my timeline, DC, just keep on doing that.

[suss2it]

So Bruce Greenwood is playing Batman, who looks like he did in Crisis on two earths? Keep on confirming my timeline, DC, just keep on doing that.

The only link thus far between Young Justice and Crisis on Two Earths is that they have the same character designer.

And that's like saying since Kevin Conroy voices Batman in Public Enemies B:TAS, Gotham Knight and Arkham Asylum they're all related.

[theRedDeath]

It's obviously too early to call it in regards to any continuity links, but if I had to GUESS:

I'm willing to bet that "Young Justice" IS supposed to be loosely based off the continuity of Co2E. Similar to how the first season of "Justice League" was meant to be a loose continuation of "S:TAS/B:TAS". With Bruce Greenwood replacing William Baldwin simply because he's better for the part.

Co2E didn't really have much continuity to contradict anyhow, and we already know the same characters/designs exist. So unless "Young Justice" goes on to reference the Crime Syndicate, then it shouldn't really matter. (Though, a point against them being linked is that in Co2E Owlman showed there was an infinite amount of parallel worlds, while "Young Justice" is supposed to be a part of DC's limited 52 worlds)

As for "Young Justice" being in continuity with "Under the Red Hood" because of Greenwood, it's a completely moot point anyhow. "Under the Red Hood" takes place in Batman's later life, where Dick is already Nightwing and Jason's tenure as Robin had come and gone. In "Young Justice" Dick is still Robin and has only been Robin for four(?) years.

So even if "Under the Red Hood" was hypothetically in continuity with "Young Justice" they're so far apart chronologically that it wouldn't matter. Unless "Young Justice" went on long enough to see Dick become Nightwing and Jason become the next Robin. But even then, so what? There wasn't enough content in Jason's flashbacks for there to really be anything exciting about the crossover.

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[Bat-Fan Beyond]

The only link thus far between Young Justice and Crisis on Two Earths is that they have the same character designer.

And that's like saying since Kevin Conroy voices Batman in Public Enemies B:TAS, Gotham Knight and Arkham Asylum they're all related.

I think the designs from Justice League: Crisis on Two Earths are the best Justice League designs in animation yet, so whether Young Justice is connected to Crisis on Two Earths or not, I'm glad those designs are being used again.

But we do have to remember that Superman: Brainiac Attacks utilized the same exact designs as Superman: The Animated Series and they weren't in the same continuity. Of course, this is one of the reasons why people are confused or find it hard to like Brainiac Attacks. It looks like it's part of the DCAU, yet it conflicts with it in other ways.

[Superpan]

It's obviously too early to call it in regards to any continuity links, but if I had to GUESS:

I'm willing to bet that "Young Justice" IS supposed to be loosely based off the continuity of Co2E. Similar to how the first season of "Justice League" was meant to be a loose continuation of "S:TAS/B:TAS". With Bruce Greenwood replacing William Baldwin simply because he's better for the part.

Co2E didn't really have much continuity to contradict anyhow, and we already know the same characters/designs exist. So unless "Young Justice" goes on to reference the Crime Syndicate, then it shouldn't really matter. (Though, a point against them being linked is that in Co2E Owlman showed there was an infinite amount of parallel worlds, while "Young Justice" is supposed to be a part of DC's limited 52 worlds)

As for "Young Justice" being in continuity with "Under the Red Hood" because of Greenwood, it's a completely moot point anyhow. "Under the Red Hood" takes place in Batman's later life, where Dick is already Nightwing and Jason's tenure as Robin had come and gone. In "Young Justice" Dick is still Robin and has only been Robin for four(?) years.

So even if "Under the Red Hood" was hypothetically in continuity with "Young Justice" they're so far apart chronologically that it wouldn't matter. Unless "Young Justice" went on long enough to see Dick become Nightwing and Jason become the next Robin. But even then, so what? There wasn't enough content in Jason's flashbacks for there to really be anything exciting about the crossover.

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Well, that was a bit of a joke on my part, but it doesn't hurt my arguement. I highly doubt those three will be officially in continuity anywhere outside my head.

Also, where did they say that Young Justice is part of the 52? I mean, they've established all 52 earths and they're all really different from each other, none that are exactly like Young Justice to my knowledge. I know they said multiverse, but I like to believe there are way more universes than the 52 in the DC multiverse. Because the 52 is a really strange number for existence to say "Yeah, let's stop there."

[suss2it]

I think the designs from Justice League: Crisis on Two Earths are the best Justice League designs in animation yet, so whether Young Justice is connected to Crisis on Two Earths or not, I'm glad those designs are being used again.I agree, but individual designs I liked Green Lantern and Wonder Woman in their respective films better.

[SSJBatman]

Hm...For the moment, I'll consider YJ and COTE being in the same universe, or similar ones.

I just wanna know how the Hall of justice fits in though :p (I never thought I'd see THAT place again...ah, memories)

[Livy1213]

The Hall of Justice is so damn corny I gotta wonder how it made it onto this show. I preferred the Watchtower, personally.

[Dreyfus]

I thought it looked fine. As long as the inside is more impressive than the Super Friends Hall of Justice, I think it could be a fun League headquarters.

[KillerMoth]

Hall of Justice makes way more sense than a space station anyway;\
1. Far, Far, FAR, FAR less expensive. I cannot stress enough how many billions of dollars are saved.
2. Less dangers. Air lock failure, communication breakdown, EMP etc will affect a station way more.
3. It communication does break down, they can just walk out the front door and borrow someone's mobile phone to call the necessary authorities.
4. The "Gods looking down on us" theme breaks down; I know I wouldn't be happy that the Supers lived above us like that where regular humans couldn't keep good relations with them.
5.Expanding on point 4, this allows good contact between regular authorities and Justice League, so they can work together and make sure the League has proper rules and laws etc.

[Silverstar]

The Hall of Justice is so damn corny I gotta wonder how it made it onto this show. I preferred the Watchtower, personally.

Yeah, the Hall of Justice is a cornball concept, but I've always liked the design. As long as the interior doesn't look like a dinky 1950's office with a giant EDVAC computer dominating the room and a tiny table with 4 small chairs, I'm cool with it.

[swarlock]

Hall of Justice makes way more sense than a space station anyway;\

4. The "Gods looking down on us" theme breaks down; I know I wouldn't be happy that the Supers lived above us like that where regular humans couldn't keep good relations with them.
5.Expanding on point 4, this allows good contact between regular authorities and Justice League, so they can work together and make sure the League has proper rules and laws etc.

Exactly my feeling. This isn't Watchmen kids.

[Rick Jones]

If they follow what's been done in the comic, there's no reason that the Hall and the Satellite can't coexist.

[SSJBatman]

If they follow what's been done in the comic, there's no reason that the Hall and the Satellite can't coexist.

What comic? I find that interesting :D

And I'm really intrigued to see what the inside of the new Hall looks like, because again, I haven't seen that thing since I was a kid and saw Super Friends reruns on CN

[suss2it]

What comic? I find that interesting :D

And I'm really intrigued to see what the inside of the new Hall looks like, because again, I haven't seen that thing since I was a kid and saw Super Friends reruns on CN
Not sure about the comics but the last season of Justice League Unlimited had both the satellite and the hall of justice.

[Livy1213]

Does it have to be called Hall of Justice if it's on the ground? Can't it use the much cooler name of Watchtower and still be on the ground, like in Batman Beyond?

[Dreyfus]

Looks like the site that cannot be named will be putting up interviews soon.


Look for interviews with Greenwood, as well as Young Justice producers Greg Weisman and Brandon Vietti, soon here in [website name removed].

[Rick Jones]

Not sure about the comics but the last season of Justice League Unlimited had both the satellite and the hall of justice.
It was the same thing here. I think this came into play when Dwayne McDuffie came on board as the JLA writer and I do remember thinking that this was an idea already established in JLU, though I haven't really sat through JLU in ages so my memory might be a bit off.

The Hall of Justice in the comics is just a secondary HQ and it has some kind of dimensional doorway that allows JLA members to walk into a room and step instantly into the Sattelite.

[Yojimbo]

Does it have to be called Hall of Justice if it's on the ground? Can't it use the much cooler name of Watchtower and still be on the ground, like in Batman Beyond?I did enjoy Metrotower more than Hall of Justice, too. But the latter would make a good name for a section of the base that's open to tourists and the public.

[Heeroyuy_Batman]

Well, that was a bit of a joke on my part, but it doesn't hurt my arguement. I highly doubt those three will be officially in continuity anywhere outside my head.

Also, where did they say that Young Justice is part of the 52? I mean, they've established all 52 earths and they're all really different from each other, none that are exactly like Young Justice to my knowledge. I know they said multiverse, but I like to believe there are way more universes than the 52 in the DC multiverse. Because the 52 is a really strange number for existence to say "Yeah, let's stop there."

There is an IGN article and an UGO article that talks about it. Young Justice takes place on Earth-16 of the DC comics multiverse. You might be right about there being more universes because I believe I read that as a result of Final Crisis the number grew to an infinite number, but I don't have proof at this moment.

Talking about YJ and CoTE being in continuity, thing is, they don't have to be to be connected via direct continuity (would be cool though). They just have to be in the same multiverse. Plus, that gives the creators more freedom, but with the advantage of that loose connection. To Bat-Fan Beyond's comment about Brainiac Attacks using the same designs as Superman: TAS, I've argued for a very long time that BA is part of the DCAU multiverse, just not part of the main continuity.

Anyway, to toot my own horn, I have a thread http://www.toonzone.net/forums/showthread.php?t=271391 about whether or not YJ, CoTE, and others are part of a new multiverse.

[suss2it]

There is an IGN article and an UGO article that talks about it. Young Justice takes place on Earth-16 of the DC comics multiverse. You might be right about there being more universes because I believe I read that as a result of Final Crisis the number grew to an infinite number, but I don't have proof at this moment. I believe that 52 universes exist in the comics.


Talking about YJ and CoTE being in continuity, thing is, they don't have to be to be connected via direct continuity (would be cool though). They just have to be in the same multiverse. Plus, that gives the creators more freedom, but with the advantage of that loose connection. To Bat-Fan Beyond's comment about Brainiac Attacks using the same designs as Superman: TAS, I've argued for a very long time that BA is part of the DCAU multiverse, just not part of the main continuity.I don't think they're in the same multiverse cause apparently the Young Justice one has 50 while Crisis on Two Earths has an infinite amount.

Plus having a multiverse where all the characters are almost identical isn't interesting.

[Primal Slayer]

So far the only problem with saying this is Eath16 in the DCU 52 multiverse, is that in DCU Earth-16, Chris Kent (Zods son) is Superman. But so far, its just easier to say think whatever you want. And of course to see how YJ pans out.

[theRedDeath]

I think the whole "Earth 16" thing is stupid and I'm personally ignoring it, but in it's defense no ones ever said that these parallel worlds all have to be chronologically parallel to each other. The version of "Earth 16" with Christopher Kent could just be the far future of the world of "Young Justice". In regular continuity Christopher Kent didn't even show up (as a child) until way later in Superman's career, and "Young Justice" has pretty clearly said it's a young DC universe. So the two don't necessarily contradict each other yet.

I am still going to ignore it though. Because there's really no point. It's a meaningless connection. If the DC comic books ever attempted to represent the world of "Young Justice" in the comics, it would be no different than "The Batman Strkes" or "Batman Adventures" as far as continuity reflected back onto the actual show.

And if "Young Justice" ever attempts to show the mainstream DCU in the cartoon, that'll be a whole other barrel of worms. Would it be animated? Is the main DC universe a 2-dimensional cartoon? What style will it be in? It should be live-action, but they can't do that obviously. Could they do a motion comic in the middle of the cartoon? But then, why would anyone want to see that instead of animation? Then there're other smaller but more complicated problems. Will characters like Darkseid and the New Gods still be considered singular entities in the multiverse? Does that mean that "Young Justice" can NEVER tell their own Darkseid story? Is the very-complicated history of the universe, including the original "Crisis on Infinite Earths" a part of the "Young Justice" universe's history? Is the Earth of the main DCU still the central linchpin of the multiverse?

That's why I think it's stupid, It really just complicates things and actually limits creativity, while simultaneously it doesn't really contribute anything to the show. Trying to correlate the comics to a TV show is not impossible, but what does it really accomplish?

It likely won't ever amount to anything. My prediction is that there will be a tie-in comic for "Young Justice" just like "Teen Titans Go!", and that comic will be blatantly advertised as being "Earth 16" and "a part of DC's 52 worlds." Then down the line DC will do another "Crisis" level crossover event, and the world of "Young Justice" will get mentioned, or show up in one panel, or a splash page or something like that.

And in the best case scenario, some time after the comic event has ended, and enough time has passed for the production order of the show, there will be a throw away line in "Young Justice" where Superboy goes: "Hey, remember that thing we did that one time! That was crazy!"

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[Dreyfus]

Peter David recently mentioned that he attended a story meeting for Young Justice. I wonder if he will be a regular writer on the show, or if he will only write a few episodes.

[Yojimbo]

Peter David recently mentioned that he attended a story meeting for Young Justice. I wonder if he will be a regular writer on the show, or if he will only write a few episodes.I thought his last entry said he was just writing several episodes. Sounds like a case of him being in the neighborhood for Comic Con (killing two birds with one stone) and agreeing to pop in for some work, as well.

[Heeroyuy_Batman]

I believe that 52 universes exist in the comics.

I don't think they're in the same multiverse cause apparently the Young Justice one has 50 while Crisis on Two Earths has an infinite amount.

Plus having a multiverse where all the characters are almost identical isn't interesting.

I could be wrong about there now being more than 52 universes. However, those 52 universes include their own pocket universes, dimensions, alternate timelines, etc. which could have been tapped into by Lex's and Owlman's device which would make there be an infinite amount.

Now you do have a point that it would not be interesting for there to be a multiverse where all the characters are almost identical. Okay, so let me revise my earlier statements and suggest instead of them being in different universes, they could be in alternate timelines or different dimensions. In fact, the S:TAS episode "Brave New Metropolis" would have been better defined to have existed in an alternate timeline instead of a different dimension or universe. Same thing could possibly even be said about the JL's "A Better World". Though, that's a lot more iffy.

Now let's think about things if WW, GL: FF, JL: CoTE, B: UtRH, and YJ are in continuity. How do they fit together? Obviously WW and GL: FF would come first and B: UtRH would come last. The question is the order of CoTE and YJ. On the one hand, it seems obvious that CoTE would come first. However, that would make the Flash in it be Barry Allen which seems extremely unlikely. But if YJ comes first then you have even more problems. So, either they are in continuity and Barry Allen is the Flash in CoTE or they're in alternate timelines.

[Dreyfus]

http://www.titanstower.com/monitor/?p=1982


Anonymous writes...

How long has Young Justice been in development? Can you say how many episodes are finished at this point?

Greg responds...

In development for over a year.
No episodes are complete yet, though we have 14 scripts done out of the initial order of 26. The other twelve are all in the works.



Also, someone has transcribed the Young Justice portion of the Comic-Con panel for anyone interested.
http://league.jmkprime.org/2010/07/28/sdcc-panels-young-justice-transcript/

[Yojimbo]

Anonymous writes...

How long has Young Justice been in development? Can you say how many episodes are finished at this point?

Greg responds...

In development for over a year.
No episodes are complete yet, though we have 14 scripts done out of the initial order of 26. The other twelve are all in the works. Weird. I thought they'd have at least a small handful such as the first 4 done and animated already if they estimated late 2010/early 2011 for the probable air date

[firefoxprime]

Weird. I thought they'd have at least a small handful such as the first 4 done and animated already if they estimated late 2010/early 2011 for the probable air date

Hehe...dude.
if you watched their 2nd video from comic con, greg and co. said "if your watching this video, then we're working really to finish our early eps."
:p

[Yojimbo]

Hehe...dude.
if you watched their 2nd video from comic con, greg and co. said "if your watching this video, then we're working really to finish our early eps."
:pTo be fair, that video was 6 days ago, and this recent quote was from today. I was hoping there was a chance they got some back in this time frame.

[firefoxprime]

To be fair, that video was 6 days ago, and this recent quote was from today. I was hoping there was a chance they got some back in this time frame.

Yeah...your right.
But hey!
Atleast the show is premiering in 2010 vs 2011:cool:

[Dreyfus]

I was also surprised by Weisman's response. Hopefully the show does come out in 2010 though. On a side note, was the original Artemis character in the comics named "Artemiz", with a 'z'? That's what it says here (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Artemiz).

[Yojimbo]

I was also surprised by Weisman's response. Hopefully the show does come out in 2010 though. On a side note, was the original Artemis character in the comics named "Artemiz", with a 'z'? That's what it says here (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Artemiz).I agree. She's my guess for awhile, unless its Artemis Crock.

[suss2it]

I just realized that the co-producer/creator, Brandon Vietti is also the director of Under the Red Hood so now I'm looking forward to this even more.

[frostedone]

Will Bruce Timm be involved in this in any way? I know it is not part of the DCAU, but he was involved with Teen Titans and all of the DTVs.

[AlgeaX]

Will Bruce Timm be involved in this in any way? I know it is not part of the DCAU, but he was involved with Teen Titans and all of the DTVs.

I think BT's plate is pretty full with the DTVs at the mo'. And when did Timm work on Teen Titans?

[Wonderwall]

Bruce's name is on the season 1 credits as an Executive Producer but I think his contributions were minimal at best as he was still hard at work on JLU at the time.

[AlgeaX]

Bruce's name is on the season 1 credits as an Executive Producer but I think his contributions were minimal at best as he was still hard at work on JLU at the time.

Ahh I thought so. Executive Producer credits don't really count for much, most shows hand them out like candy on Holloween.

[Dreyfus]

I agree. She's my guess for awhile, unless its Artemis Crock.

Must be someone else.
http://www.s8.org/gargoyles/askgreg/latest.php

[Yojimbo]

Must be someone else.
http://www.s8.org/gargoyles/askgreg/latest.phpSwitching my official guess to Artemis Crock then. We know from the comics she often called herself just Artemis or Tigress, was an expert marksman, and her signature weapon was a crossbow. This also look's like the same hairstyle between the two characters. (http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/8/88/TigressCrock.jpg/250px-TigressCrock.jpg)

And there'd be a nifty coincidence since the first Tigress was an enemy of Zatara and Crock was an on/off girlfriend of Icicle (II), both slated to appear in the series, too (not sure which Icicle but y'know).

EDIT: In Comic Hero News' Greg Weisman Q&A Part One (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DzoopkET0m8):


Weisman and Vietti wrote out a list of 50-60 teen heroes then sifted through them to create the core 6
Tone for the season is secret and lies
Episode one starts with four heroes but one won't join YJ. Then slowly the others join.
We won't see the core 6 together until Episode 6
A 7th regular will appear halfway in the season
At the end of the season, a 8th regular will appear
The Justice League is only 3-4 years
Working out a comic that is in direct continuity with this series

[Dreyfus]

http://www.s8.org/gargoyles/askgreg/search.php?qid=12354


Switching my official guess to Artemis Crock then. We know from the comics she often called herself just Artemis or Tigress, was an expert marksman, and her signature weapon was a crossbow. This also look's like the same hairstyle between the two characters. (http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/8/88/TigressCrock.jpg/250px-TigressCrock.jpg)

I can't think of anyone else she could be.

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Found this interesting.


There is trouble brewing though because the villains are starting to organize and the superheroes are too visible. So a black ops team needs to be formed. And that is where the next generation comes in.

http://www.comicheronews.com/?p=11373

[Harlequinn]

What is it with this show and the number 16.........

-a 16 member justice league
-from reports this is an Earth 16
-Miss Martian is 16 in Martian Years
-Connor is 16 weeks

[Yojimbo]

Found this interesting.

http://www.comicheronews.com/?p=11373Yes, pretty interesting. Explains why they revealed a bunch of cold-themed villains.


What is it with this show and the number 16.........

-a 16 member justice league
-from reports this is an Earth 16
-Miss Martian is 16 in Martian Years
-Connor is 16 weeksSounds like a job for the Question. :cool:

[Harlequinn]

I assume Secret will be among the 2 characters that will be added during the season. Possibly Wonder Girl as the otheR?

[Yojimbo]

I assume Secret will be among the 2 characters that will be added during the season. Possibly Wonder Girl as the otheR?Perhaps. I think Empress could also be a candidate for the end of the season 8th regular.

[Harlequinn]

Possible. I'd like to see Wonder Girl and Secret first. Maybe even......Steel Supergirl.....

[firefoxprime]

Its fun to watch ppl try to decyfer the show even before it hits the air :anime:
Unless there's a nice lil video clip, i'll skip out this thread. Don't want to view any story/character spoilers. Unfortunately, I didnt have the pleasure of reading young justice comics. So this is my first impression of the awesome series.

[Harlequinn]

Hmmm, Why is 13-year-old Robin driving a motorcycle......

Also I'm 99% sure that Artemis is Stephanie Brown

[KillerMoth]

Hmmm, Why is 13-year-old Robin driving a motorcycle......

Also I'm 99% sure that Artemis is Stephanie Brown
Why? The only thing connected remotely is their blonde hair, and even then they don't look the same. And even THEN, every image has been Artemis looking so serious, the character you think she is just doesn't do that.

[Jacob T. Paschal]

Hmmm, Why is 13-year-old Robin driving a motorcycle......

Why is a thirteen year old child fighting crime in brightly colored spandex?

[Livy1213]

Where is he driving a motorcycle?

[suss2it]

Where is he driving a motorcycle?In a sneak peak (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZiOjAmXDjW4) video Robin can be briefly seen driving a motorcycle.

[SKDarkDragon]

In a sneak peak (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZiOjAmXDjW4) video Robin can be briefly seen driving a motorcycle.

Robin drove a motorcyle in The Batman, as well as in the graphic novel Batgirl: Year One, and in both stories he was 13 or 14. :p He's already a vigilante, so may as well disregard the need for a driver's license, too.

[Harlequinn]

I kinda wish they went with comic Tim, ALOT. Because he wasn't actually in Bruce's custody. He had a family and home. And I really want to see that relationship with Tim and his father.

[Yojimbo]

I kinda wish they went with comic Tim, ALOT. Because he wasn't actually in Bruce's custody. He had a family and home. And I really want to see that relationship with Tim and his father.I think it's possible and open to speculation that Tim Drake can appear later on in the series. Depending on how time passes on this series or what 'future' stories they might approach, Dick Grayson doesn't stay Robin forever. Or maybe they'll have a black ops team for the black ops team. ;)

[Livy1213]

I've been thinking, if Artemis is Wonder Woman's protege, why would she wear a mask? If she was Green Arrows, the mask makes sense.

[suss2it]

I've been thinking, if Artemis is Wonder Woman's protege, why would she wear a mask? If she was Green Arrows, the mask makes sense.
Isn't it confirmed that Artemis is Green Arrow's sidekick? They both wear green, and are skilled with a bow and arrows. Plus I think Greg said that they got the rights to use Wonder Woman late into production.

[Livy1213]

We don't know yet. At first I thought she was going to be Green Arrow's but then they said at Comic Con that Speedy will be on the show. Why two sidekicks for Green Arrow and none for Wonder Woman?

[Bat-Fan Beyond]

We don't know yet. At first I thought she was going to be Green Arrow's but then they said at Comic Con that Speedy will be on the show. Why two sidekicks for Green Arrow and none for Wonder Woman?

I originally posted this on the first Young Justice thread.

http://www.toonzone.net/forums/showpost.php?p=3655420&postcount=433



I have a theory:

I don't know much about the character of Artemis, but I have a feeling that she is originally going to start out as Wonder Woman's protégé -- maybe by assignment from Themyscira -- but Artemis for some reason rebels against this and being an archerer herself takes tutelage under the wing of Green Arrow.

Artemis will essentially have two mentors: The one she does not accept that is her designated trainer (Wonder Woman), and the one she respects and admires (Green Arrow).

With Artemis basically becoming Green Arrow's new protégé, that gives Speedy the chance to graduate into Red Arrow.


The only thing that messes up my theory a bit now is that Greg Weisman has since said that Artemis is not another a Themysciran Amazon. But other than that, I still think my theory could work.

[suss2it]

We don't know yet. At first I thought she was going to be Green Arrow's but then they said at Comic Con that Speedy will be on the show. Why two sidekicks for Green Arrow and none for Wonder Woman?
We don't know that Speedy is going to be a sidekick though. He looks older than the heroes in Young Justice and we also know he becomes Red Arrow, which means that he won't have a mentor.

[redrobin]

I thought he said that Wonder Women doesn't have a connection to the team and that she was just a background character. Only way she will have more of a role with this group is when Wonder Girl joins the team and since they said theres nothing stopping them for having her on the show she might appear later on but most likely it will be Donna as Wonder Girl not Cassie since there going with the first sidekicks. As for Artemis we was told she not a amazon so she wont have a connection with WW but she is an archer she will probably be in the green arrow family cause remember this aint the same as the comics this is on = a different earth so they can take a character and change their appearance and origin to make it fit in the show. As for replacing Dick and Wally with Tim and Bart half way through the show i rather them not do that and just leave Tim and Bart out of the show cause they are just going to be viewed as replacements for Dick and Wally because the team and the general audience will always view them as there robin and kid flash. I want them to be in the show because they are my favorite heroes but I don't them to be replacements for the main cast.

[Yojimbo]

Over on blogtalkradio, 123 Film! did a 45 minute piece with Greg Weisman, today. At the 31:52 mark, he does a short premise of Young Justice. But interestingly, at the 26:39 mark, he revealed he has a small voice role on it. 123 Films! 8/4/10 (http://www.blogtalkradio.com/123-film/2010/08/04/guest-greg-weisman--supervising-producer-at-sony-t)

Hall of Justice computer, maybe?

EDIT: CBR posted some CCI coverage. I don't think I heard this before or maybe reading it is easier to compute but...


The pair said they have complete access to DC's vast array of characters. "We're not going to cover 100% in every episode, but nothing's off limits," Weisman explained.

the show will be main episodic. "Every episode - except for the two-part pilot - stands alone and tells a complete story, but we've got a lot of arcing and continuity throughout the twenty-six episodes and it builds to climaxes at various points in the season and then we'll go out with a huge bang at the end of the season," he said. "[There are] a lot of subplots running through episodes, but you can tune into any one episode and enjoy a story from beginning, middle and end and not have to have seen everything that comes before or everything that comes after. It's just that you get more out of it if you have. It's episodic, but it is sequential." The format is similar to both "Gargoyles" and "Spectacular Spider-Man" in that respect.Link: CCI: Producers Talk "Young Justice" Cartoon (http://www.comicbookresources.com/?page=article&id=27584)

And continuing on the s8 Forum:
For Young Justice, were there any restrictions to the dc universe characters that you could use (aside from Wonder Woman and Wonder Girl)? Is there anything like the Bat-embargo that JLU had?

Wonder Woman IS in the series. She was never off limits.

There is a VERY small handful of characters that we aren't allowed to use in Season One. (And by handful, I mean I could count them on one hand.) The list WAS longer when we first developed the series and broke down the first season, but it's grown shorter since.

But I should make the point that (a) we already have a metric ton of DC Universe characters appearing in Season One and (b) 98% of the decisions as to who would and wouldn't appear were CREATIVE decisions made by Brandon Vietti and myself. Some characters aren't appearing in Season One, because creatively we felt they didn't belong there -- having nothing to do with any external restrictions.

So some characters that will not appear in Season One, may appear in Season Two (if in success we get a pick-up), either because now we CAN use them or because that's where we ALWAYS wanted them from day one ... or both.

So, you are one of the producers of "Young Justice". Does that mean you'll write the scripts that be produced into episodes or do you have a different job?

Part of my job is writing scripts. I've written four already and will probably write two more in the first season.

I'm also the story editor for all 26 scripts.

I'm also one of two producers on the show, so I at least comment on pretty much every aspect of production.
Links: Here (http://www.s8.org/gargoyles/askgreg/search.php?qid=12376) and Here (http://www.s8.org/gargoyles/askgreg/search.php?qid=12375)

[matthewscott614]

A few months back I thought this show would suck.
However I thought the preview looked excellent.
Really like the idea of having the Hall of Justice being in it!
Also it seems Bats and Sups will be showing up once in a while, nice.
Sorry for being negative a few months back, I may just check this out.
Is this a cartoon network show?
Anyone know when it airs?

[Yojimbo]

Is this a cartoon network show?
Anyone know when it airs?Yes, it is going to be on Cartoon Network. So far, all that's been set in terms of an air date is November 2010. My only guess would be November 12th since The Brave and The Bold premiered on November 14, 2008.

[SSJBatman]

Yeah, the 12th is probably something close to it. CN likes to premier things on Fridays, especially during school months. So the 5th, 12th, 19th and 26th of that month are all possible dates for it's premier. I don't think they'll want to do it after Thanksgiving though, since they'd be getting ready for Christmas.

[Yojimbo]

Yeah, the 12th is probably something close to it. CN likes to premier things on Fridays, especially during school months. So the 5th, 12th, 19th and 26th of that month are all possible dates for it's premier. I don't think they'll want to do it after Thanksgiving though, since they'd be getting ready for Christmas.I doubt it for the 26th, Thanksgiving week. In the past since 2008, CN has shown new episodes of TBATB on the 2nd and 3rd week of November then take a 1-2 week break and show 1-2 more episodes then break for Christmas. After reading that, it sounds a bit ridiculous as a choice to air a freshman program. :shrug:

[matthewscott614]

Yes, it is going to be on Cartoon Network. So far, all that's been set in terms of an air date is November 2010. My only guess would be November 12th since The Brave and The Bold premiered on November 14, 2008.
Thanks for the info.
Hope its on the same night as Brave & the Bold & Clone Wars.

[Mad Hatter]

Man, I can't wait for this show to come out. It shall be epic!

In regards to Artemis' identity, I highly doubt it's Artemis Crock. Since I haven't seen a sum-up recently, here's one:

It isn't:
Donna Troy (Wonder Girl II)
Cassandra Sandsmark (Wonder Girl III)
Any Themysciran or Amazon
Mia Dearden (Speedy II)
Bonnie King (Arrowette I)
Cissie King-Jones (Arrowette II)

It could be:
Greta Hayes (Secret): Remember Gre'g comment on Artemis' identity being a
secret.
Anita Fite (Empress): It's a long shot, considering that Empress was black, but
hey, it's a possibility.
Artemis Crock (Tigress): Personally, I don't think this makes any sense, since
she's a villain and member of the Injustice League,
Injustice Society, and the Secret Society of
Supervillains, but, hey, if it could be Empress or
Secret, it could be Artemis Crock as far as I know.

And a long shot:
Kara Zor-El (Supergirl): Hey, it's not impossible, just extraordinarily unlikely.
She was trained by Wonder Woman, so is it that far
off-base?

Yeah. Yes, it is WAY off-base, but it's worth a shot. I
honestly can't think of any other characters it could
be, and it's driving me insane! Well, we'll know soon
enough, I guess. :)

[Yojimbo]

I asked point blank is if Artemis is Artemis Crock on the s8 forum so we'll see if Mr. Weisman answers it or not, in the coming week.


Thanks for the info.
Hope its on the same night as Brave & the Bold & Clone Wars.You're welcome. I hope it airs on that Friday block, too. The potential to have a big DC block with the last of the TBATB, then Young Justice, GL: TAS, and the next Batman show down the road sounds like a great prospect.

[staticblue]

I thought it was Artemiz

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Artemiz

[Yojimbo]

I thought it was Artemiz

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ArtemizNope, they shot that one down, too. Not Arrowette, not Speedy, not Wonder Girl, not Themysciran, not Apokoliptian.

[Harlequinn]

It could possibly be

Enigma

[Harlequinn]

In the trailer, the producers said "Sex pounding on their minds." Does that mean the show will involve such things? If so, It'll be a very realistic show.

[Blackstar]

In the trailer, the producers said "Sex pounding on their minds." Does that mean the show will involve such things? If so, It'll be a very realistic show.


Well Young Justice is going to be airing on Cartoon Network, so we shouldn't expect things to get too randy, baby, yeah!

[theRedDeath]

JLU had a few sexual innuendos and implications, so we can probably expect that level of dealing with the subject. Only multiplied by teen awkwardness and angst.

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[AlgeaX]

JLU had a few sexual innuendos and implications, so we can probably expect that level of dealing with the subject. Only multiplied by teen awkwardness and angst.

Like all teenagers, I imagine we'll see the YJers fretting over who they like and who likes them. Plus Greg wasn't shy about sneaking double entendres into Spectacular Spider-Man...


Don't get your goop in my hair!


Well you are the master of premature gloatalation.

[staticblue]

Nope, they shot that one down, too. Not Arrowette, not Speedy, not Wonder Girl, not Themysciran, not Apokoliptian.

really? I find it hard to beleive its NOT her. Same name. Same abilities. They said its a character that exists in DC canon. Only other Artemis is from themyscira. Would they really take an exisiting character that is not an archer and make them an archer?

[Knight]

No offense but Tim Drake doesn't get the respect he deserves in the animated universe. Dick hasn't been Robin in forever and in my opinion Tim is probably the best of all the Robin. in the new series Red Robin he shows why he has the potential to be on par with Batman when is comes to strategy planning and detective work. Yet in the animated world they keep going back to Dick everytime they need a Robin. Just my personal rant.

[fhfan]

So is this show premiering this November.

[Yojimbo]

really? I find it hard to believe its NOT her. Same name. Same abilities. They said its a character that exists in DC canon. Only other Artemis is from themyscira. Would they really take an existing character that is not an archer and make them an archer? Well, my guess, Artemis Crock, is an archer so I find it a legitimate guess...


So is this show premiering this November.So far, Weisman has said November when asked last week.

[The Octopus]

Well, my guess, Artemis Crock, is an archer so I find it a legitimate guess...

And her connection to Zatara, would make an interesting twist with her betraying her friends, after being revealed as the daughter of Tigress, an arch-nemisis of Zatara, which could cause her to kill him out of revenge or something (allowing Zatanna to take his place).
Artemis C. brings a lot of interesting possiblities, with her ties to Tigress, Zatara, and Icicle, with the last two confirmed to appear on the show.

[JokersDame]

I wonder if this show will ever make it to Canada, i wish we had cartoon network...:sad:

[Yojimbo]

And her connection to Zatara, would make an interesting twist with her betraying her friends, after being revealed as the daughter of Tigress, an arch-nemisis of Zatara, which could cause her to kill him out of revenge or something (allowing Zatanna to take his place).
Artemis C. brings a lot of interesting possiblities, with her ties to Tigress, Zatara, and Icicle, with the last two confirmed to appear on the show.Good points. Greg Weisman was pretty cryptic when someone asked him about why Zatara was chosen over Zatanna to be in the Justice League. Link: s8 reply (http://www.s8.org/gargoyles/askgreg/search.php?qid=12360)

Unless it's the obvious, and they were playing with the timeline and happenings of this universe. Another thought I had was maybe this is the version from Kingdom Come or more logically, Zachary Zatara, Zatanna's cousin and another Geoff Johns creation.

[Wonderwall]

I wonder if this show will ever make it to Canada, i wish we had cartoon network...:sad:

It'll most likely be on Teletoon and probably premiere quicker as well. Either that or it premieres but only shows the first season like Brave and the Bold.

[EmaHalJordan]

i hope for The Atom in the Justice League of Young Justice show! :mad: (and Firestorm!)

[Yojimbo]

i hope for The Atom in the Justice League of Young Justice show! :mad: (and Firestorm!)Which Atom: Al Pratt, Ray Palmer, Adam Cray, or Ryan Choi? It'd be interesting if they gave Cray a shot since this black ops theme is right up his alley. I wouldn't mind seeing the original Firestorm, too.

[JLU Dude]

Which Atom: Al Pratt, Ray Palmer, Adam Cray, or Ryan Choi? It'd be interesting if they gave Cray a shot since this black ops theme is right up his alley. I wouldn't mind seeing the original Firestorm, too.

Given his past posts, I think it's safe to assume that he means Ray Palmer.

[Superpan]

Well, Dick was the original Robin for 40+ years. He has the most history and the most fans. That probably appeals to TV show producers to a character that comes with alot of continuity like Tim.

[Yojimbo]

You never know what kind of long term plan the producers might have with Dick Grayson and possible successors to the Robin mantle. :cool:


Given his past posts, I think it's safe to assume that he means Ray Palmer.Haha, true. I was roasting in the sun, today, too. I don't think we've seen Ray Palmer since the New Frontier movie? Any Atom would be a great guest star on this show considering the format of undercover missions.

[EmaHalJordan]

Which Atom: Al Pratt, Ray Palmer, Adam Cray, or Ryan Choi?
"THE" Atom, Ray Palmer!

[Rick Jones]

Maybe someone can slip Greg some of the Dan Jurgens' Teen Titans issues if he ever gets the urge to use Ray Palmer :evil:.

[suss2it]

Well, Dick was the original Robin for 40+ years. He has the most history and the most fans. That probably appeals to TV show producers to a character that comes with alot of continuity like Tim.

Tim seems more popular than Dick has Robin. Dick is the more popular character overall but I think people prefer him as Nightwing.

[Lockjaw]

Tim seems more popular than Dick has Robin. Dick is the more popular character overall but I think people prefer him as Nightwing.

Yeah i think thats true, in my case it is atleast.

Cant wait for this show it looks great from the teaser and all the details they have given so far. It will be interesting how they handle Dick as robin. Will they go down the Teen Titans Go route and give him a generally serious Tim Drake esque personality or will they stick to his typically light hearted self.

[AlgeaX]

"THE" Atom, Ray Palmer!

"THE" Atom? You do realise Al Pratt came first right?

[mgr91686]

"THE" Atom? You do realise Al Pratt came first right?

If he's anything like me, then Ray Palmer was the first Atom he was introduced to and as such he is "The" Atom.

[Ruseri]

That's flawed logic... just because Pierce Brosnan was the first James Bond I was introduced to, doesn't dethrone Sean Connery as "THE" James Bond.

[Kryten]

That's flawed logic... just because Pierce Brosnan was the first James Bond I was introduced to, doesn't dethrone Sean Connery as "THE" James Bond.

Never try to mix logic with fanboyism. You'll never win.

[mgr91686]

That's flawed logic... just because Pierce Brosnan was the first James Bond I was introduced to, doesn't dethrone Sean Connery as "THE" James Bond.

I suppose so, but even at that your analogy doesn't make much sense given that we are talking about Non-Aging two dimensional, fictional characters in a medium where Bruce Wayne has been Batman for 70+ years, need I continue?.

Besides, just because to me Ray Palmer is "THE" Atom, that in no way disrespects what came before.

[Yojimbo]

Saw some neat little tidbits on the s8 forum:



1) Will you be adapting Young Justice or Teen Titans storylines (i.e., Young Justice: A World without Grown-Ups)? 2) I heard that Red Arrow (or at least, the Roy Harper before Cry for Justice and "Rise" of Arsenal, which I don't know if you've heard of) and Tempest will show up. Any other Titans or Young Justice characters that will show up as the show progresses?

Greg responds...
1. You'll have to wait and see.
2. Yes.

Link: s8 (http://www.s8.org/gargoyles/askgreg/search.php?qid=12406)


1) Since Red Tornado is present in the Young Justice Cartoon, will he have the mentor role that he had in the comic book? Will we also see his human family?
2) Will there be more racial diversity down the line for the team or is Aqualad it?
Greg responds...
1a. Yes.
1b. You'll have to wait and see.
2. There's more racial diversity than just Aqualad already, but, yes... Link: s8 (http://www.s8.org/gargoyles/askgreg/search.php?qid=12404)


I noticed there are numerous references to the number sixteen in Young Justice including:
-a 16 member justice league
-from reports this is an Earth 16
-Miss Martian is 16 in Martian Years
-Connor is 16 weeks
Is this some sort of in-joke on the part of the crew or is there a much deeper reason?
Greg responds...
<chuckles evilly> Link: s8 (http://www.s8.org/gargoyles/askgreg/search.php?qid=12420)


1. When rumors of a Young Justice cartoon first began to appear online the roster was said to include(going off memory here)"Nightwing,Martian Girl, and Impulse". Was this simply a mistake/rumor or did the roster undergo some changes?
2. Somewhat related to the first question. I was suprised(though not upset)to learn that it would be Dick Grayson and Wally West in the show rather than Tim Drake and Bart Allen. It made sense once I read that this is a young DC Universe. Was the plan always to start in the early days and see the DCU evolve? Greg responds... 1. Mistake and rumor. I assume "Nightwing, Martian Girl, and Impulse" was someone's error for "Robin (Dick Grayson), Miss Martian (M'gann M'orzz) and Kid Flash (Wally West)". Our roster has been the same pretty much from day one.
2. The plan was always to start in the (relatively) early days and go from there.

Link: s8 (http://www.s8.org/gargoyles/askgreg/search.php?qid=12415)

[Mad Hatter]

Saw some neat little tidbits on the s8 forum:

Originally Posted by Greg Weisman
I noticed there are numerous references to the number sixteen in Young Justice including:
-a 16 member justice league
-from reports this is an Earth 16
-Miss Martian is 16 in Martian Years
-Connor is 16 weeks
Is this some sort of in-joke on the part of the crew or is there a much deeper reason?
Greg responds...
<chuckles evilly>
Link: s8 (http://www.s8.org/gargoyles/askgreg/search.php?qid=12420)
qid=12415]s8[/url]

Huh. THAT might explain why they chose Earth-16. It doesn't make much literal sense, considering the nature of that universe, but if there's some kind of hidden in-joke, it makes much more sense.

[Livy1213]

Bruce Greenwood talks a little about Young Justice and Under the Red Hood in an interview about something else.

http://www.collider.com/2010/08/16/bruce-greenwood-interview-maos-last-dancer-star-trek-sequel-batman-under-the-red-hood-young-justice-league/


Q: I had the pleasure of enjoying your performance as a voice actor recently in Batman: Under the Red Hood and I understand you’re reprising the role for the upcoming series.

BRUCE: Yes, for Young Justice League.

Q: How do you like being a voice actor and how has that experience been?

BRUCE: I love being around those guys. You can’t believe how talented they are. I do lots of voices and always have, but I’ve never gotten into that game of doing voices for money and it’s a pretty tight shop. You walk in and these guys are doing these incredible impersonations. I was in there a couple of weeks ago. There’s two guys in town apparently that do great animal sounds and this one cat was doing a lion and then a tiger that were having an altercation. You would close your eyes and swear to God that it was coming from a creature that was three to four times the size of a man. I love it.

Q: What kind of time commitment is that going to be for you?

BRUCE: It’s very little. It takes a couple hours to do an episode so you can go in and do two episodes in a day.

Q: Are they at the same level as the video movie because those DC animations have been quite good?

BRUCE: No, they’re good but they’re not… This particular movie, Batman: Under the Red Hood, the graphics there are really incredibly good and the art direction is great. It’s a good story. But I don’t know if I’ll do the next Batman in the movie version. I think Kevin Conroy is still considered the definitive guy.

Q: Was there a reason why you came in?

BRUCE: No, they just called me and asked me and I said “Sure.” I didn’t know anything about Kevin Conroy until after. At Comic Con particularly, they were going “How do you feel about replacing Kevin Conroy who everybody loves.” They were sort of pre-programmed to hate you. “How do you feel about that?” I’m going “Not so good all of a sudden.”

Q: How do you like the whole Comic Con experience?

BRUCE: It was great. It was full of energy and good humor. I really loved it.

[Jacob T. Paschal]

Replacing...?

Oh, those silly fanboys. ;)

[Yojimbo]

If you liked yesterday's hints, you'll love today's one.



Hi Greg! Love your work! Anyway, Can you tell me if any of these characters will appear in Young Justice: Raven, Zatanna, Starfire, Wonder Girl, Harley Quinn, or Joker will be appearing? Telling me if any of them will appear will be really Nice! Thanks!
Greg responds...
Yes, I can tell you that some of the characters you named will be in Season OneLink: s8 reply (http://www.s8.org/gargoyles/askgreg/search.php?qid=12427)

He did mention we'd see some Teen Titans characters on the show, too. Hmm. :cool:

[Harlequinn]

If you liked yesterday's hints, you'll love today's one.

Link: s8 reply (http://www.s8.org/gargoyles/askgreg/search.php?qid=12427)

He did mention we'd see some Teen Titans characters on the show, too. Hmm. :cool:

Yay! My question!

[Yojimbo]

Yay! My question!Lucky! Mine have been ignored so far. :sad: Someday.

[Harlequinn]

Lucky! Mine have been ignored so far. :sad: Someday.

He answers them in the order that they were asked. Go to "Unanswered Questions" and see how many are before yours. Yours will probably be answered tomorrow.

[Yojimbo]

He answers them in the order that they were asked. Go to "Unanswered Questions" and see how many are before yours. Yours will probably be answered tomorrow.Hey, yeah. Looks like mine will come up tomorrow or Thursday. Thanks for mentioning that. :cool:

EDIT: Looks like we're going to see some voice actors used on Spectacular Spiderman migrate over to Young Justice. So far, I know Phil LaMarr is confirmed and this bit may add some weight to that IMDB rumor that Miguel Ferrer will voice Vandal Savage.


1) Why the change in Aqualad's character? Was Garth just not interesting enough or was Jackson just cooler? And did the idea for him come from the comic first or did you guys make it up?

2) Why add Ms. Martian to the roster? She's a fun character to be sure, but doesn't exactly scream classic Titans/YJ member (It sort of seems like she's a stand-in for Starfire as the 'alien immigrant' of the team).

3) Will any voice actors from Spec Spidey be working on Young Justice?


Greg responds...
1. The idea came from myself, Brandon Vietti and Phil Bourassa, though we had many, many conversations with the folks at DC, including Geoff Johns, obviously. And obviously, we think he's an interesting and cool character, or we would not have put him in there.



2. She's not a stand-in for Starfire at all - not in our minds. She's not a stand-in for anyone. To be honest, you need to get out of the mindset of some kind of fixed team, where all we did was substitute a few characters here for a few characters there. That wasn't our process AT ALL. We began with a list of over fifty teen heroes (male and female) and chose the ones that worked best for us on a number of different levels, ranging from chronology, power mix, personality, iconicness, dynamics, etc. We really started from scratch, with no preconceptions. It would be best if the fans did the same.



3. Yes, some.Link: s8 reply (http://www.s8.org/gargoyles/askgreg/search.php?qid=12442)

[Livy1213]

A new interview with Greg Weisman and Brandon Vietti on... well I can't remember if it's the site-that-cannot-be-named or not, so just be safe I won't link to it. PM me if you want to know where it is. Here are the highlights though...


* Weisman and Vietti got the green light for the show last October but have been working on it since March last year.

* The current cast of characters came together from a list of over 50 DC teenage heroes they had compiled from the comics.

* The demo group they're aiming for with the show is everyone, male, female, young and old alike.

* Batman has only been fighting crime for 9 years.

* While the missions the team go on will be taken seriously, there will be humor to be found when they're off duty and hanging out. They are teenagers after all.

* They'll be taking a look at every aspect of the heroes' lives, in and out of costume, trying to get a complete picture.

* A lot of none talk about Superboy, just that he is newly cloned and he is pretty much a different character from the comics but that he still stays true to the character. They refuse to answer if he has Superman and Lex Luthor's DNA but promised that will be explored on the show.

* In regard to Aqualad being the team leader, Geg says "We’ve got an interesting way into that--" Whatever that means.

* Artemis is an already established DC comics character and she's not an Amazon. Artemis Crock, anyone?

* Here's an interesting tidbit. Nolan North will be voicing Superman as well as Superboy.

* From Greg on the whole Mission Impossible with teenagers angle of the show: " They want their own team, they get their own team, and then when they actually go out on missions, it isn’t always exactly what they want it to be, so there’s a lot of discovery that the kids have among themselves and on the mission at the same time."So everything else in the interview was stuff we already knew. This was the stuff that was vaguely new.

Here's also a really interesting 15 minute interview with Greg at Comic Con.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gBomPbVhzWk&feature=related

The big stuff mentioned in that video is that the core team as we see it now won't fully assembled until episode 6 of the season. The show will only start out with four teen heroes with one not joining the Young Justice team at the end of the first episode(?). By the end of season one, two more regulars will be added to the current core cast, making 8 members. All interesting stuff.

My guess is that Secret and Wonder Girl will be added in season 1 then Artemis will turn bad and leave the team in the finale and Arrowette will join up in season 2.

[Yojimbo]

So everything else in the interview was stuff we already knew. This was the stuff that was vaguely new.

My guess is that Secret and Wonder Girl will be added in season 1 then Artemis will turn bad and leave the team in the finale and Arrowette will join up in season 2.Neat to see Nolan North will be voicing Superman, as well. Seems like they are making Miss Martian the daughter of Martian Manhunter, perhaps to bypass the whole White Martian angle?

It's my guess as well that this Artemis is Artemis Crock. It's a question that's been approved to be answered by Greg Weisman on the s8 forum. Hopefully, he won't be super cryptic about confirming it because he's been pretty smitten no on guessed correctly who she is.

I was thinking Secret as the 7th regular and Empress as the 8th added in the season finale. They said it'd be explosive so a battle on Zandia sounds explosive enough to me.

[SKDarkDragon]

Originally Posted by Greg Weisman

2) Why add Ms. Martian to the roster? She's a fun character to be sure, but doesn't exactly scream classic Titans/YJ member (It sort of seems like she's a stand-in for Starfire as the 'alien immigrant' of the team).


2. She's not a stand-in for Starfire at all - not in our minds. She's not a stand-in for anyone. To be honest, you need to get out of the mindset of some kind of fixed team, where all we did was substitute a few characters here for a few characters there. That wasn't our process AT ALL. We began with a list of over fifty teen heroes (male and female) and chose the ones that worked best for us on a number of different levels, ranging from chronology, power mix, personality, iconicness, dynamics, etc. We really started from scratch, with no preconceptions. It would be best if the fans did the same.



I like that he's stressing that the show is going to be it's own thing, and not try to form-fit around any previous continuity limitations from the comics. It opens up a bunch of possibilities, and makes me all the more excited for the show! :)

[Harlequinn]

My ideas:

Artemis eventually betrays the team and dies.

Green Arrow dies, Speedy becomes Red Arrow.

WG and Secret get added.

[JLU Dude]

Greg responds...
2. She's not a stand-in for Starfire at all - not in our minds. She's not a stand-in for anyone. To be honest, you need to get out of the mindset of some kind of fixed team, where all we did was substitute a few characters here for a few characters there. That wasn't our process AT ALL. We began with a list of over fifty teen heroes (male and female) and chose the ones that worked best for us on a number of different levels, ranging from chronology, power mix, personality, iconicness, dynamics, etc. We really started from scratch, with no preconceptions. It would be best if the fans did the same.

Then why bother actually calling it Young Justice and not Teen Titans? Because really, that's what this series is--Teen Titans.

John Stewart aside (who jonied after the fact), the line-up of the team in the first two seasons of Justice League had served on the League in the comics prior to the show and likewise, Obsidian, Wildcat, Waverider, Nemesis, Supergirl, Hawk & Dove, Stargirl & STRIPE, and the Question aside, most of the new members in the Unlimited seasons were members of the League in the comics.

Teen Titans, too--aside from Más y Menos (originally created for the show), Heald, and Thunder and Lightning, most of the members who joined the team in the fifth season were members in the comics.

This doesn't have that. The only one who was actually a member of Young Justice in the comics was Superboy. Yeah, there was a Robin, but he was Tim Drake and true Bart Allen is Kid Flash now, but they opted to use Wally West. And the other half of the team thus far is based on people who aren't ever members in the source material.

There is a reason some people are upset--they're calling a series something that, in reality, it isn't based on, but rather another series. If it's called Teen Titans, I imagine not as many people would be so up in arms about it as they are now.

[Rick Jones]

Then why bother actually calling it Young Justice and not Teen Titans? Because really, that's what this series is--Teen Titans.
The most appropriate title for it, imo, would probably be something like Justice League Task Force but that name's pretty much been ruined now. You can't call them The Next Generation, that's been done to death, and they're not really the Teen Titans. The Titans have almost always been a very separate entity from the JLA. The kids ran the show, called the shots, and didn't have to care about what the grown ups thought. In this show, they are put together by the JLA and will relieve special orders from them. While it's not the comic version, Young Justice still is a very appropriate name.



There is a reason some people are upset--they're calling a series something that, in reality, it isn't based on, but rather another series. If it's called Teen Titans, I imagine not as many people would be so up in arms about it as they are now.
Are that much people really mad about it ? I'm a huge YJ fan myself, and was a little disappointed that my favorite kids didn't really make the cut, but this show will be it's own thing and it looks like it will kick much butt, so I'm currently pleased as punch and waiting for the debut.

[W.C.Reaf]

Well now leaving the team member issues aside from the looks of the story it's going to be neither TT or YJ. If anything it looks like a Young Justice League Elite since they're supposed to be a black ops type team for the Justice League. So this is something entirely new but it's still got the trappings of YJ, like the fact that at first when they try to be a superhero team the League tries to stop them just like the comics.

Also the TT cartoon was much more comedy focused, like the YJ comic, than the serious minded comic. People still liked that show because it was good not because of how close to the comic it was. So why not give this show a chance and see if it's good on its own merits?

[Harlequinn]

Since this IS a parallel universe we still could see Cassandra Cain and Stephanie Brown.

[Primal Slayer]

Somehow I doubt we will see CassandaBatigrl in this since its a young DC universe and Barbara would still be if not just be becoming Batgirl. Unless they choose to pull a Red Arrow and have her already be Oracle and have been Batiglr for like 2yrs. And I am guessing that Donna Troy will be WG. But overall they like to play the confusing game thus far with which sidekick is which.

[Harlequinn]

Seeing as how Garth will have already been Tempest, I doubt WG would be Donna. If it is, I'll be SO MAD. I HATED Donna.

[Dreyfus]

http://www.comicbookmovie.com/fansites/SuperHeroTooniverse/news/?a=21712

[Harlequinn]

Seeing as how Dick is 13. It'll be nice to see some really good stories of him just being....13. If that makes sense?

[NinjaGal]

Seeing as how Dick is 13. It'll be nice to see some really good stories of him just being....13. If that makes sense?

Yes, it does. xD
Me being a fellow 13 year old, I'd love to see how he acts. x)

[Harlequinn]

Me too! I'm sure he's quite old mentally though, seeing as how he's been under Batsy's wing for 4 years.

[JLU Dude]

The most appropriate title for it, imo, would probably be something like Justice League Task Force but that name's pretty much been ruined now. You can't call them The Next Generation, that's been done to death, and they're not really the Teen Titans. The Titans have almost always been a very separate entity from the JLA. The kids ran the show, called the shots, and didn't have to care about what the grown ups thought. In this show, they are put together by the JLA and will relieve special orders from them. While it's not the comic version, Young Justice still is a very appropriate name.

I'd forgotten about Justice League Task Force, but yeah, that is more accurate than Teen Titans.:sweat:



Are that much people really mad about it ? I'm a huge YJ fan myself, and was a little disappointed that my favorite kids didn't really make the cut, but this show will be it's own thing and it looks like it will kick much butt, so I'm currently pleased as punch and waiting for the debut.

I'd noticed such a reaction by some people on a few other message boards and considering most of the line-up and the idea for the team is named after don't much with the team in the comics, it is kind-of valid.

[AJ Skyterra]

I've never read the DC comics but I'm a big fan of the animated series (especially Batman: TAS, and I'm in the middle of rewatching it). I am so excited for YJ, and even though from what I've heard it doesn't follow the comics exactly, for me it will stand on its own and be a great action show with great characters. And man, the animation just looks down right beautiful.

[suss2it]

I'd forgotten about Justice League Task Force, but yeah, that is more accurate than Teen Titans.:sweat:




I'd noticed such a reaction by some people on a few other message boards and considering most of the line-up and the idea for the team is named after don't much with the team in the comics, it is kind-of valid.Are people really complaining about the title of the show? Well let's see they're young and work for the Justice League, so it's not that much of stretch to title it Young Justice even if it isn't like the comicbook series it share the name with.

[JLU Dude]

Are people really complaining about the title of the show? Well let's see they're young and work for the Justice League, so it's not that much of stretch to title it Young Justice even if it isn't like the comicbook series it share the name with.

No offense, but it still doesn't make any sense to call the the show "Young Justice" when the only thing it has in common with the comic incarnation is Superboy. There's a reason, outside of it just being a bad movie, comic fans were upset with Catwoman--it barely resembled the source material and the character.

[suss2it]

No offense, but it still doesn't make any sense to call the the show "Young Justice" when the only thing it has in common with the comic incarnation is Superboy. There's a reason, outside of it just being a bad movie, comic fans were upset with Catwoman--it barely resembled the source material and the character.You can't count Catwoman because the things about the the movie that made it different also made it bad, and that may not be the case here seeing as though Young Justice hasn't premiered yet.

And as a said Young Justice is an appropriate name seeing as how they're young and work for the Justice League. It's not like a title makes or breaks a show.

[Yojimbo]

I figured the title Young Justice was one of those clever double meanings. The literal meaning is a reference to a team of the same name from the comics. The figurative meaning is the heroes on this series are fighting villains in a young DC universe and the notion of justice administered by them is still in its embryonic stage. Then ultimately through the course of the series, the heroes grow into their roles as do their ideals grow into their mandates.

We didn't get the original roster from the comic books on the Justice League series nor Teen Titans so I'm not sure how that argument is valid, JLU Dude.

[hugo]

We didn't get the original roster from the comic books on the Justice League series nor Teen Titans so I'm not sure how that argument is valid, JLU Dude.

Yes, remember the "WTF ? John Stewart ??" "WTF ? Hawkgirl ??" at the time ?

Who would even THINK to say such a thing today ? :p

Who wasn't thrilled by Maria Canals Barrera's battle cry ? Who wasn't moved by John & Shayera's firt kiss ? Starcrossed anyone ?

And the same things goes for Teen Titans TAS manga style, The Batman (Batgirl introduced before Robin), The Brave & the Bold (mix of Silver Age ultra-fantasy & darker tones, Aquaman personnality, ...)

Yes, we all were "WTF" when those announces were made.

And they luckily proved us - and so brilliantly - to be WRONG.
(I wouldn't have even thought a Wonder Woman DTV could be my favourite one among all of them)


And now, we are : "WTF ? Young Justice no like the comic book ? ", "WTF ? Green Lantern in CGI ? ", "WTF ? ANOTHER Batman show ? "...:marvin:

By the way, the comic book isn't forgot, as we know Red Tornado, Wonder Girl (doubt it's Donna, but wait and see...), Arrowette and The Secret will play roles.

[JLU Dude]

I figured the title Young Justice was one of those clever double meanings. The literal meaning is a reference to a team of the same name from the comics. The figurative meaning is the heroes on this series are fighting villains in a young DC universe and the notion of justice administered by them is still in its embryonic stage. Then ultimately through the course of the series, the heroes grow into their roles as do their ideals grow into their mandates.

We didn't get the original roster from the comic books on the Justice League series nor Teen Titans so I'm not sure how that argument is valid, JLU Dude.

Expect that wasn't my point. It wasn't that they weren't the original members. My point was that Wally West and Shayera Hol and later most of the expanded line-up of the JLU were members of the League in the comics. Likewise, most of the new Titans were members, too.

Most of them had a basis for being there. Most of this show's line-up do not.

Aqualad a new character, Miss Martian hasn't been created yet, and Dick Grayson and Wally West weren't members of Young Justice. The only one who was a member of YJ in the comics was Superboy. You shouldn't be calling something a name that it's not. If they didn't want people to think about the YJ comic, then they should've kept the "Young Justice League" working title.

[Don_East]

Aqualad a new character, Miss Martian hasn't been created yet, and Dick Grayson and Wally West weren't members of Young Justice. The only one who was a member of YJ in the comics was Superboy. You shouldn't be calling something that it's not. If they didn't want people to think about the YJ comic, then they should've kept the "Young Justice League" working title.
Heck, Superboy's appearance in this is in his modern design rather than his time in YJ.

This whole thing is just Young Justice in name only. The roster has little to do with the actual team and would feels like it's better off being called Young Justice League because really, they just don't care.

[NinjaGal]

Me too! I'm sure he's quite old mentally though, seeing as how he's been under Batsy's wing for 4 years.

Hehe, true. x)
If Speedy/Red Arrow is making an appearance, I wonder who else will come out of the woodwork?

[AlgeaX]

For those of you worrying that this series will spit upon the memory of your favourite childhood comic, I refer you to Peter David, creator of the original Young Justice comic and writer of eight episodes of this series...


First, I neglected to mention yesterday that I attended the presentation of the “Young Justice” animated series. The audience reaction seems overwhelmingly positive, and I’m glad to hear it, because (and I am now free to mention it) I’m going to be writing several episodes for the series. I’m thrilled to have the opportunity to reconnect with the characters, even if there are some differences between the guys I wrote and the new incarnation. I would love to tell you all about my first episode, but I’m afraid that it’s…oh, what’s the word…Secret.

http://www.peterdavid.net/index.php/2010/07/25/san-diego-con-day-3/

[W.C.Reaf]

Aqualad a new character, Miss Martian hasn't been created yet, and Dick Grayson and Wally West weren't members of Young Justice. The only one who was a member of YJ in the comics was Superboy. You shouldn't be calling something a name that it's not. If they didn't want people to think about the YJ comic, then they should've kept the "Young Justice League" working title.

But there is other stuff connecting to the YJ comic, like the League trying to stop them being a team and Red Tornado as a mentor and go between for the team and the League.

Just because the line-ups a bit different doesn't mean a) it won't resemble the comic at all, or b) that they won't add in members from YJ roster later on. It has been mentioned in interviews that they're going to add two other members at the end of the season.

[Harlequinn]

Well, it is a problem, ya know. Someone who read the comics will flip the channel on, see it isn't exactly based off of the comic, and he'll go on a murderous rampage. Oh and hey, let's change the name of B:TBATB because I'm not sure how Brave they REALLY are.

[JLU Dude]

But there is other stuff connecting to the YJ comic, like the League trying to stop them being a team and Red Tornado as a mentor and go between for the team and the League.

Just because the line-ups a bit different doesn't mean a) it won't resemble the comic at all, or b) that they won't add in members from YJ roster later on. It has been mentioned in interviews that they're going to add two other members at the end of the season.

Sorry, but even if Reddy still there, it still doesn't bear a resemblence to the actual team it shares it's name with. I normally like a lot of Weisman's work, but I feel he's really dropping the ball with this one.


Well, it is a problem, ya know. Someone who read the comics will flip the channel on, see it isn't exactly based off of the comic, and he'll go on a murderous rampage. Oh and hey, let's change the name of B:TBATB because I'm not sure how Brave they REALLY are.

Expect they're actually honoring the original The Brave and the Bold comic series of having Batman team-up with different heroes. Young Justice only has Superboy and Red Tornado and that's it. Even the speedster (given Bart wasn't Kid Flash during YJ's run) and Robin are different.

[Harlequinn]

*facepalm* You guys are so weird. IT'S A NAME.

[ShadowStar]

http://www.peterdavid.net/index.php/2010/07/25/san-diego-con-day-3/

Note the last word of that first paragraph.

[JLU Dude]

*facepalm* You guys are so weird. IT'S A NAME.

Yeah, and if I were to adapt book, but only used one or two characters and the title and changed everything else, it wouldn't wouldn't really be an adaption of that book, now would it? Hence it'd only that book in name only.

As I said before, it's the same here--it's just Superboy, Red Tornado, and the title and that's it.

And to address something I missed earlier...


You can't count Catwoman because the things about the the movie that made it different also made it bad, and that may not be the case here seeing as though Young Justice hasn't premiered yet.

And as a said Young Justice is an appropriate name seeing as how they're young and work for the Justice League. It's not like a title makes or breaks a show.

Most people think it was just a bad movie on its own right anyway, not just an "in name only" adaptation of Catwoman. There were many more falws that Catwoman, well...not actually being anything like her namesake. The complete disregard of Selina Kyle shouldn't have been done. Neither should the complete disregard of the actual team is show shares its title with.

[AlgeaX]

Sorry, but even if Reddy still there, it still doesn't bear a resemblence to the actual team it shares it's name with. I normally like a lot of Weisman's work, but I feel he's really dropping the ball with this one.

Peter David seems to disagree with you.

[Harlequinn]

I'm sorry to be rude, but you guys are babies about this whole name thing.

[JLU Dude]

Peter David seems to disagree with you.


And Bob Kane once said that he felt Val Kimler was the best Batman out of the 89-97 film series. That doesn't the fact that most people prefer Michael Keaton.nor does what Peter David say change the fact that a few people--myself included--don't really see a lot of the comic in this.

[AlgeaX]

And Bob Kane once said that he felt Val Kimler was the best Batman out of the 89-97 film series. That doesn't the fact that most people prefer Michael Keaton.nor does what Peter David say change the fact that a few people--myself included--don't really see a lot of the comic in this.

Maybe the reason you don't see a lot of the comic in this series is because you haven't seen so much as a single episode yet! Is it really too much to ask that people actually wait to watch the show before they start writing reveiws?

Peter David has written almost a third of the first season's episodes. I think he's a bit better informed as to what this series is going to be like then someone who's only seen a couple of two minute clips on youtube.

[W.C.Reaf]

Maybe the reason you don't see a lot of the comic in this series is because you haven't seen so much as a single episode yet! Is it really too much to ask that people actually wait to watch the show before they start writing reveiws?

That's the thing with any new series that hasn't come out, there're always going to be people who dislike what they've seen even with very little actual information.

With the new Avengers cartoon it's that Nick Fury is black, Spectacular Spider-Man was the art style, X-Men Evolution was them being teenagers, Justice League having Jon Stewart and Hawkgirl, etc. Now it's YJ not looking like the comic.

There's always going to be something that rubs people the wrong way when they first see it even though they've never seen an episode.

[redrobin]

Yeah, and if I were to adapt book, but only used one or two characters and the title and changed everything else, it wouldn't wouldn't really be an adaption of that book, now would it? Hence it'd only that book in name only.

As I said before, it's the same here--it's just Superboy, Red Tornado, and the title and that's it.

OK first of all this is not an adaption of the book have you even read the interviews? The only thing there taking from the comic is the name cause nobody is really using it at the moment and they wanted to make the show different from teen titans and justice league unlimited. Young Justice comic is just something they was inspired by to make this show but they never going to use the characters from the book because the was just going be about a young superheros working under the justice league and they chose six heroes out of 50 to make the team so again shows that this was never going to an adaption to the comic book. They already said that the Superboy that is in the show is not going be the same Superboy from the comics he is going to be different but he is the only thing that is connecting this show to the young justice comic but they didn't have to use him in the show. Red Tornado is probably going to have different role in the show then what he had in the comic. If you read what they said about the show so far you would that it takes place in the 52 universes of dc and its on its on earth which pretty much makes it clear that's not going to be the same as the Young Justice in comics since there both different earths so things are going be different. Also as another poster said peter wrote the comic is going to be writing episodes for the show but that doesn't mean its going to be an adaption of the comic it just means that he is interested in the new team that is using the Young Justice name which is what he said himself but maybe he will bring some characters from the book onto the show just like some teen titans and justice league characters are going to appear on the show. Just because there using the name young justice but not making it an adaption doesn't mean people are going to go crazy and complain about it when the show airs beacuse there's only a small minority of people who knows that is a Young Justice comic the rest of audience will probably just think its a new show that features a young superhero team. Anyway the show looks good and the die hard fans will eventually get over the fact that this is something completely new and not an adaption of a comic

[Bat-Fan Beyond]

First of all, in comics, there have been many incarnations of The Justice League, The Teen Titans, The Avengers, The X-Men, etc. etc, with varying rosters and origins -- This "Young Justice" team is just another incarnation of the team; One that is not associated with the one from the comics. Simple as that! The producers liked the name and the concept of a team of junior superheroes and applied it to their show. This is not a direct adaptation of the former comic book series of the same name. As a matter of fact, there will be a new comic book series with the same name and it will be more closely related to this show than it will be the old comic series, so deal with it!

[Yojimbo]

Sorry, but even if Reddy still there, it still doesn't bear a resemblence to the actual team it shares it's name with. I normally like a lot of Weisman's work, but I feel he's really dropping the ball with this one.

Expect they're actually honoring the original The Brave and the Bold comic series of having Batman team-up with different heroes. Young Justice only has Superboy and Red Tornado and that's it. Even the speedster (given Bart wasn't Kid Flash during YJ's run) and Robin are different.Whatever, you say JLU Dude. I tend to try and to hold off judgment until I've seen one entire season.

[Harlequinn]

t doesn't matter what it's called, it's still gonna ROCK. Possibly be the best DC show ever.

[suss2it]

:sweat:
Whatever, you say JLU Dude. I tend to try and to hold off judgment until I've seen one entire season.
Or even you know at least one episode.

[Harlequinn]

Since this is a parallel universe, who says Wally and Dick won't act like Bart and Tim.

[theRedDeath]

Here's some food for thought about the name thing:

Forget about the (fantastic) comic book run for a minute. This is a show that is about a team of YOUNG heroes, doing missions for the JUSTICE League.

It's not rocket science, "Young Justice" is a perfectly appropriate name in it's own right. The fact that it takes any influence from the comic, and is partially written by the same writer, is just pudding on the cake.

---

[Desensitized]

Since this is a parallel universe, who says Wally and Dick won't act like Bart and Tim.Heh, maybe they'll be Impulse and Red Robin. Unlikely, but who knows? I mean they totally changed everything about Connor's origins. This series can really go anywhere. :)

[Batman1]

I would tend to agree that people should reserve judgement about the show until the show actually airs. There is always a tendency to judge a show just because it is not direct adaptation of the comic book or character. I may not have liked every show that was an adaptation of dc comic book or character but I usually reserved judgement until I had a few episodes and, in most cases, I liked what I saw. At least watch a few episodes of the series before you tear it down. If you don't like it, don't watch it! Simple as that.

[JLU Dude]

Maybe the reason you don't see a lot of the comic in this series is because you haven't seen so much as a single episode yet! Is it really too much to ask that people actually wait to watch the show before they start writing reveiws?

Peter David has written almost a third of the first season's episodes. I think he's a bit better informed as to what this series is going to be like then someone who's only seen a couple of two minute clips on youtube.

Larry Hama was a consultant on the G.I. Joe movie and Bob Kane was a consultant for Batman & Robin. It still didn't change the fact that people--even fans--still had issues with those movies and that they weren't very good movies. Just because someone who was a primary force in the socure material involved doesn't automatically mean that it's safe to assume it'll be good.


First of all, in comics, there have been many incarnations of The Justice League, The Teen Titans, The Avengers, The X-Men, etc. etc, with varying rosters and origins -- This "Young Justice" team is just another incarnation of the team; One that is not associated with the one from the comics. Simple as that! The producers liked the name and the concept of a team of junior superheroes and applied it to their show. This is not a direct adaptation of the former comic book series of the same name. As a matter of fact, there will be a new comic book series with the same name and it will be more closely related to this show than it will be the old comic series, so deal with it!

Expect a lot of those line-ups in the various shows and movies actually have some basis in the socure material. This doesn't.


OK first of all this is not an adaption of the book have you even read the interviews? The only thing there taking from the comic is the name cause nobody is really using it at the moment and they wanted to make the show different from teen titans and justice league unlimited. Young Justice comic is just something they was inspired by to make this show but they never going to use the characters from the book because the was just going be about a young superheros working under the justice league and they chose six heroes out of 50 to make the team so again shows that this was never going to an adaption to the comic book. They already said that the Superboy that is in the show is not going be the same Superboy from the comics he is going to be different but he is the only thing that is connecting this show to the young justice comic but they didn't have to use him in the show. Red Tornado is probably going to have different role in the show then what he had in the comic. If you read what they said about the show so far you would that it takes place in the 52 universes of dc and its on its on earth which pretty much makes it clear that's not going to be the same as the Young Justice in comics since there both different earths so things are going be different. Also as another poster said peter wrote the comic is going to be writing episodes for the show but that doesn't mean its going to be an adaption of the comic it just means that he is interested in the new team that is using the Young Justice name which is what he said himself but maybe he will bring some characters from the book onto the show just like some teen titans and justice league characters are going to appear on the show. Just because there using the name young justice but not making it an adaption doesn't mean people are going to go crazy and complain about it when the show airs beacuse there's only a small minority of people who knows that is a Young Justice comic the rest of audience will probably just think its a new show that features a young superhero team. Anyway the show looks good and the die hard fans will eventually get over the fact that this is something completely new and not an adaption of a comic

Expect it IS my point--so far, it barely seems like the comic and--as you point out, it isn't. So why bother calling it "Young Justice" if it's not?


t doesn't matter what it's called, it's still gonna ROCK. Possibly be the best DC show ever.

I might be leaping to conculsions, but you don't know it'll be good either.

I don't like the fact I'm being ganged-up on for expressing doubt in this show and what I felt were valid concerns. Heaven forbid I actually criticize and question the great Greg Weisman's choices and not get ganged-up on because of it. I tried to express myself and suddenly people are ganging up on me for them.

[Funkatron]

I was a fan of YJ and I wasn't too happy with the change in roster as well but all that doubt melted away once all the news started trickling in: the fact that Greg Weissman, one of my favorite animation producers/writers is on board; the fact that Peter David, the original writer for YJ and one of my favorite writers for both comics and Scifi has not only given his blessing but is writing for it as well; the fact that the character designs look slick and modern and the animation looks fluid: all says to me that this show is going in a good direction. I'm still miffed about no Bart or Tim but I'm not going to let that give the show a chance and stand on its two legs. Nothing really says that a show has to be a direct adaptation. To me, enough of the original premise is there for me to think I might enjoy it: the sidekicks/younger wards of the JLU members trying to prove themselves as legitimate heroes. Sometimes changes are good; its all about the execution of those changes that count. Since we can't really judge on the execution until we actually see the show, the only thing I can do is wait and hope it lives up to a fraction of the hype.

[Don_East]

You know, my main issues with this show is stems from how I'm disappointed with the direction. When I first heard about this I thought it was cool and was actually excited on the notion. But instead we get Dick Grayson once again is in a role he hasn't been in main continuity since the Reagan administration. And that Bart Allen is once again snubbed while Wally West gets downgraded back to sidekick. And I while groaned when I hear it's gonna be yet another "set at the start of the heroes' career" gimmick.

This entire show is just Young Justice in name only. It's like if Marvel made a Defenders cartoon where the line-up is Dr. Strange, Deadpool, Miss Marvel, & the Punisher and they're a subsection of SHIELD. It has little to do with the team it's based on.

Now I'm not gonna personally attack Greg Weisman since he is a good writer. And I'm pretty the main idea behind this was not "Hey, let's adapt a DC super hero team but not use that many characters associated with it!"


Since this is a parallel universe, who says Wally and Dick won't act like Bart and Tim.
Then what's the point of making them Grayson & West if they're gonna act like their successors? If I wanted Kyle Rayner, I wouldn't want Hal Jordan acting like Kyle, I wanted Kyle.

[suss2it]

Larry Hama was a consultant on the G.I. Joe movie and Bob Kane was a consultant for Batman & Robin. It still didn't change the fact that people--even fans--still had issues with those movies and that they weren't very good movies. Just because someone who was a primary force in the socure material involved doesn't automatically mean that it's safe to assume it'll be good.The difference here is that Peter David isn't just going to be a consultant but is contributing more than that by writing a good portion of the first season episodes (8 to be exact).



Expect it IS my point--so far, it barely seems like the comic and--as you point out, it isn't. So why bother calling it "Young Justice" if it's not?Maybe because it's a cool name? Also the heroes are in fact young and dish out justice. They also work for the Justice League. Seems logical that it would be called Young Justice even if it isn't based off the Young Justice comics.


I don't like the fact I'm being ganged-up on for expressing doubt in this show and what I felt were valid concerns.What are those concerns? So far you just seem to be upset that it's using the name Young Justice while not being directly based off the comicbook.


Heaven forbid I actually criticize and question the great Greg Weisman's choices and not get ganged-up on because of it. I tried to express myself and suddenly people are ganging up on me for them.We're all having an open discussion on a public forum so yeah people are going to have different opinions than you and voice them as well.


You know, my main issues with this show is stems from how I'm disappointed with the direction. When I first heard about this I thought it was cool and was actually excited on the notion. But instead we get Dick Grayson once again is in a role he hasn't been in main continuity since the Reagan administration. And that Bart Allen is once again snubbed while Wally West gets downgraded back to sidekick.I was also upset to see that it was going to be yet again Dick Grayson as Robin since I prefer Tim Drake and since Robin's design was clearly inspired by the Tim Drake one. I could go either way on the Flashes though.


And I while groaned when I hear it's gonna be yet another "set at the start of the heroes' career" gimmick.I don't really think it's a gimmick, maybe the creative team just wants to establish their universe better by starting from the beginning and expanding from there. Lots of shows do that, and lots of shows start right in the middle of things, doesn't mean either way is bad or a gimmick.


This entire show is just Young Justice in name only. It's like if Marvel made a Defenders cartoon where the line-up is Dr. Strange, Deadpool, Miss Marvel, & the Punisher and they're a subsection of SHIELD. It has little to do with the team it's based on.As long as the end result is a good show I wouldn't mind what they call it.

[JLU Dude]

You know, my main issues with this show is stems from how I'm disappointed with the direction. When I first heard about this I thought it was cool and was actually excited on the notion. But instead we get Dick Grayson once again is in a role he hasn't been in main continuity since the Reagan administration. And that Bart Allen is once again snubbed while Wally West gets downgraded back to sidekick. And I while groaned when I hear it's gonna be yet another "set at the start of the heroes' career" gimmick.

This entire show is just Young Justice in name only. It's like if Marvel made a Defenders cartoon where the line-up is Dr. Strange, Deadpool, Miss Marvel, & the Punisher and they're a subsection of SHIELD. It has little to do with the team it's based on.

Now I'm not gonna personally attack Greg Weisman since he is a good writer. And I'm pretty the main idea behind this was not "Hey, let's adapt a DC super hero team but not use that many characters associated with it!"

I wasn't trying to personaly attack him, but I'm saying he's not above being questioned and doubted for certain decisions he's made, which sadly is what a lot of people think he is.


The difference here is that Peter David isn't just going to be a consultant but is contributing more than that by writing a good portion of the first season episodes (8 to be exact).

That still doesn't mean anything. I don't like David being waved in my face like his writing it immediately equals it actually it being good. It doesn't, so don't tell me it does.


Maybe because it's a cool name? Also the heroes are in fact young and dish out justice. They also work for the Justice League. Seems logical that it would be called Young Justice even if it isn't based off the Young Justice comics

Again, they're, as Don_East pointed out, in name only and that doesn't help matters as in the comics, they didn't work for the League.


What are those concerns? So far you just seem to be upset that it's using the name Young Justice while not being directly based off the comicbook.

And it is a legitimate gripe. What, it's okay to bash Catwoman for not being true to the comics, but okay to let this show slide? Just because of who's producing it? No, not really. As Don_East pointed out, it's be like doing a cartoon about the Defenders and replacing most of the them with people who never served on the team.

Actually, it is like that. Aqualad, Miss Martian, Wally West, Dick Grayson, and Artemis were never members of the team in the socure material. Now, if it were like Justice League--where only one or two weren't from the comics but the rest were--then I'd feel differently. But it's not.


We're all having an open discussion on a public forum so yeah people are going to have different opinions than you and voice them as well

Well, I got ganged-up for mine because I don't support a lot of the decisions this show's made so far, which isn't fair to me. I'm allowed to question certain decisison made by Weisman. As I said before, he isn't above it.

[Bloody Marquis]

Well, I got ganged-up for mine because I don't support a lot of the decisions this show's made so far, which isn't fair to me. I'm allowed to question certain decisison made by Weisman. As I said before, he isn't above it.
There's a difference between questioning a decision and endless nitpicking. We get it. You don't like how the roster's not like that from the comics.

[JLU Dude]

There's a difference between questioning a decision and endless nitpicking. We get it. You don't like how the roster's not like that from the comics.

But it isn't.

As I said earlier, most of them don't hail from the comic versions, so it is a questionable decision and not "needless nitpicking".

Now it were actually Tim Drake, Bart Allen, Cassandra Sandmark, a few other actual members from the team from the comics, then I wouldn't have a problem--it's actually be like the comics it shares its name with. But they're not. Only Superboy and Red Tornado are, so it's a valid compliant.

It'd be like doing a Justice League cartoon and having most of the line-up be people who never served on the League in the comics. The only difference here I bet if that happen, a lot of people would be vocal here about it.

[GregX]

But it isn't.

As I said earlier, most of them don't hail from the comic versions, so it is a questionable decision and not "needless nitpicking".

Now it were actually Tim Drake, Bart Allen, Cassandra Sandmark, a few other actual members from the team from the comics, then I wouldn't have a problem--it's actually be like the comics it shares its name with. But they're not. Only Superboy and Red Tornado are, so it's a valid compliant.

It'd be like doing a Justice League cartoon and having most of the line-up be people who never served on the League in the comics. The only difference here I bet if that happen, a lot of people would be vocal here about it.

Were you here when John Stewart and Shayera were announced for "Justice League?"

[JLU Dude]

Were you here when John Stewart and Shayera were announced for "Justice League?"

Okay, you kinda got me there, but that was more people wanting Hal Jordan or Kyle Rayner or Hawkman or Aquaman that anything else. And while, yes, John Stewart wasn't ever a member of the comics League before the cartoon, Shayera Hol (Hawkworld retcon notwithstanding) was a member of the comics League, so there was a basis there for it, as was Wally West being on the League.

[suss2it]

That still doesn't mean anything. I don't like David being waved in my face like his writing it immediately equals it actually it being good. It doesn't, so don't tell me it does.When did I say that Peter David's involvement immediately equals good? I was saying that he is more involved than the other consultants you mentioned based on the fact that he is actually writing for the series. It also stands to reason that if you liked his Young Justice run in the comics you might like his contributions to this show.



Again, they're, as Don_East pointed out, in name only and that doesn't help matters as in the comics, they didn't work for the League.Well they work for the League in this show so it's still an appropriate name. And they're still young heroes working for justice.


And it is a legitimate gripe. What, it's okay to bash Catwoman for not being true to the comics, but okay to let this show slide? Just because of who's producing it? That's just one example. The changes in Catwoman are what made it bad, as well as the execution and terrible story. However the Joker in the Dark Knight was quite different than how he is usually portrayed and I thought it was a fantastic movie.


No, not really. As Don_East pointed out, it's be like doing a cartoon about the Defenders and replacing most of the them with people who never served on the team.As I said when I replied to him as long as the end result is a good a show than I don't really care what the name is.


Actually, it is like that. Aqualad, Miss Martian, Wally West, Dick Grayson, and Artemis were never members of the team in the socure material. Now, if it were like Justice League--where only one or two weren't from the comics but the rest were--then I'd feel differently. But it's not.Well in this show they are members of Young Justice, what exactly is bad about that?


Well, I got ganged-up for mine because I don't support a lot of the decisions this show's made so far, which isn't fair to me. I'm allowed to question certain decisions made by Weisman. As I said before, he isn't above it.People just disagreed with what you were questioning, I don't recall anybody saying you're not allowed to question what decisions Weisman and the rest of the production team make.

[Yojimbo]

Most of them had a basis for being there. Most of this show's line-up do not.But that's just it. On one hand, Sam Register comes and says "Here’s the kind of show we want to do, something with Justice League, or the young characters or something like that," and Register simply gave the Young Justice title, just the title.

Sure, most of these characters have no basis or connection to the comic book Young Justice but can you consider the possibility that the producers have a long-term plan and the roster will change over the course of time leading to a more familiar sight by the end of season one? There's not even a full team until episode six. Then that changes in again by episode 13 and 26. And they have a very big list of characters set to appear in varying capacities; star, guest, recurring, etc. most in parts thanks to Geoff Johns and all that backstage reshuffling. We've probably only gleaned a small fraction of the plan.

They chose to build a new DC universe from scratch rather than retread a series and prop up the same thing we read 10-50 years ago. I think every animated series has been made on the staff's own terms primarily, then every so often slipping in comic book references and other homages that older fans would recognize while entertaining younger fans at the same time. The formula has rarely deviated from that on the TV shows.


Sorry, but even if Reddy still there, it still doesn't bear a resemblence to the actual team it shares it's name with. I normally like a lot of Weisman's work, but I feel he's really dropping the ball with this one.I thought he lowered the bar with "Death Race to Oblivion!" on The Brave and The Bold, he can't do any worse, imo.


Expect they're actually honoring the original The Brave and the Bold comic series of having Batman team-up with different heroes. Young Justice only has Superboy and Red Tornado and that's it. Even the speedster (given Bart wasn't Kid Flash during YJ's run) and Robin are different.Comparing two shows like that is a slippery slope. I don't like to think Kid Flash and Robin will be static for long. There is always the possibility the mantle will change hands on this show like it has in previous ones.


I might be leaping to conclusions, but you don't know it'll be good either.

I don't like the fact I'm being ganged-up on for expressing doubt in this show and what I felt were valid concerns. Heaven forbid I actually criticize and question the great Greg Weisman's choices and not get ganged-up on because of it. I tried to express myself and suddenly people are ganging up on me for them.No, we're all leaping to conclusions. I apologize for looking pompous and dismissive when responding to your posts. I admit sometimes it looks like we're rolling over and jumping at whatever blips in news we get (since CN has been starving us for months).

We all got our own opinions here and most of the time we don't mesh. Most of the time I disagree what theRedDeath says but in comparison to my logic, he's a perfect devil's advocate and voice of reason that makes me in turn question myself and ponder on. Some of our responses makes some sense in opposition to you, right, as some of yours does to me, in the least.

[JLU Dude]

When did I say that Peter David's involvement immediately equals good? I was saying that he is more involved than the other consultants you mentioned based on the fact that he is actually writing for the series. It also stands to reason that if you liked his Young Justice run in the comics you might like his contributions to this show.

You didn't, but AlgeaX did.


That's just one example. The changes in Catwoman are what made it bad, as well as the execution and terrible story. However the Joker in the Dark Knight was quite different than how he is usually portrayed and I thought it was a fantastic movie.

Expect aside of a lot of the gags and how they handled Joker's appearance, they admitted to using his first appearance, The Killing Joke, and Arkham Asylum: A Serious House on Serious Earth as a basis for him there and I can actualy see those. I don't see that being the case here.


As I said when I replied to him as long as the end result is a good a show than I don't really care what the name is.

Well, given in interviews, thet seemed to be aware of the comics, it seems to me they just don't care--which actually makes it worse.


Well in this show they are members of Young Justice, what exactly is bad about that?

Because there is no basis whatsoever for it and most of the team from the comics got replaced with other people who weren't. At least with other of the other DC shows, there usually was a basis them being there.


People just disagreed with what you were questioning, I don't recall anybody saying you're not allowed to question what decisions Weisman and the rest of the production team make.

Expect I ganged-up on for it--being told I'm being a baby about the title, being told my problems with the line-up were nitpicking, and being told Peter David's involved means I should just let it go, and the general tone of people acting like I'm a bad guy because I'm not looking forward to it and expressed my grievances. So I have every right to be offended and defend myself.


But that's just it. On one hand, Sam Register comes and says "Here’s the kind of show we want to do, something with Justice League, or the young characters or something like that," and Register simply gave the Young Justice title, just the title.

Sure, most of these characters have no basis or connection to the comic book Young Justice but can you consider the possibility that the producers have a long-term plan and the roster will change over the course of time leading to a more familiar sight by the end of season one? There's not even a full team until episode six. Then that changes in again by episode 13 and 26. And they have a very big list of characters set to appear in varying capacities; star, guest, recurring, etc. most in parts thanks to Geoff Johns and all that backstage reshuffling. We've probably only gleaned a small fraction of the plan.

Okay, I'll concede to some of that, but it still doesn't strike me as the right thing to do.


Comparing two shows like that is a slippery slope. I don't like to think Kid Flash and Robin will be static for long. There is always the possibility the mantle will change hands on this show like it has in previous ones..

Maybe, but given how young this Robin is in this, I don't see that happening for him unless there's a time skip or they use a verison or real time.


No, we're all leaping to conclusions. I apologize for looking pompous and dismissive when responding to your posts. I admit sometimes it looks like we're rolling over and jumping at whatever blips in news we get (since CN has been starving us for months).

We all got our own opinions here and most of the time we don't mesh. Most of the time I disagree what theRedDeath says but in comparison to my logic, he's a perfect devil's advocate and voice of reason that makes me in turn question myself and ponder on. Some of our responses makes some sense in opposition to you, right, as some of yours does to me, in the least.

Yeah, but--and no offense--after being treated like I'm a bad guy by quite a few people for my views on certain things this show's doing--I think I'm really soured quite a few things now--including Greg Weisman as a whole.

[Yojimbo]

Well, given in interviews, thet seemed to be aware of the comics, it seems to me they just don't care--which actually makes it worse.I don't know. Interviews are kind of a weird space. Sometime in your 40+ hour week, some stranger asks questions that sound rhetorical, you might just give a curt response. I'd say watching an episode is better than watching any panel, reading any interview, or listening to any commentary, in terms of sussing out the staff's intentions and feelings about everything and anything.


Okay, I'll concede to some of that, but it still doesn't strike me as the right thing to do.Okay, what would strike you as the right thing, specifically?


Maybe, but given how young this Robin is in this, I don't see that happening for him unless there's a time skip or they use a version or real time.Yeah, that's true. If it won't happen in some linear sense or time skip, I could see it happen as a parallel universe, time travel, or hypertime shenanigan. I'd prefer a time skip but if not, then hypertime because at least that still implies the possibility of what a fan(s) want to see on the show.


Yeah, but--and no offense--after being treated like I'm a bad guy by quite a few people for my views on certain things this show's doing--I think I'm really soured quite a few things now--including Greg Weisman as a whole.Okay, so how did you fall off on Weisman? Was it something in particular from a past animated series?

[JLU Dude]

Okay, what would strike you as the right thing, specifically?

I dunno. Maybe it were Tim and Bart and not Dick and Wally, I wouldn't have as many problems as I do with the line-up.


Okay, so how did you fall off on Weisman? Was it something in particular from a past animated series?

Not exactly. I liked Gargoyles, enjoyed a few episodes of WITCH (I didn't watch the series regularly), enjoyed The Spectacular Spider-Man (though I didn't care for his comibining a lot of characters, but that's another issue), and liked the episodes of Ben 10 and The Batman that he wrote. A lot of it has to do with this. More exactly, beyond some of his decisions, how I was treated for my views both here and on another message board. Just some people kind-of soured me on him, if that makes sense.

[suss2it]

Expect aside of a lot of the gags and how they handled Joker's appearance, they admitted to using his first appearance, The Killing Joke, and Arkham Asylum: A Serious House on Serious Earth as a basis for him there and I can actualy see those. I don't see that being the case here.You can see the similarities between the Dark Knight Joker and the Joker from those stories yet you can't see the similarities between the comicbook Young Justice and the show? How about for one they're both about young DC characters wanting to be taken more seriously by the older generation while also going through teenage issues, all with action and some humour included?



Well, given in interviews, thet seemed to be aware of the comics, it seems to me they just don't care--which actually makes it worse.Which interview did it seem like they didn't care about the comicbook series?


Because there is no basis whatsoever for it and most of the team from the comics got replaced with other people who weren't. At least with other of the other DC shows, there usually was a basis them being there.The basis is that they're young heroes that work for the Justice League. Hence Young Justice.




Expect I ganged-up on for it--being told I'm being a baby about the title, being told my problems with the line-up were nitpicking, and being told Peter David's involved means I should just let it go, and the general tone of people acting like I'm a bad guy because I'm not looking forward to it and expressed my grievances. So I have every right to be offended and defend myself.Didn't say you didn't have the right to feel offended, I just didn't think people were ganging up on you, to me it just seemed like people questioning your reasoning. As of right now seeing as how zero episodes have aired and your problem seems to only be with the title to some it will come across as you nitpicking.

If the show was named anything else would you be looking forward to it more than you are now?


Yeah, but--and no offense--after being treated like I'm a bad guy by quite a few people for my views on certain things this show's doing--I think I'm really soured quite a few things now--including Greg Weisman as a whole.That's odd because I don't remember anyone telling you shouldn't criticize the show because of who was producing it. In fact you were the first person to mention Greg:


Heaven forbid I actually criticize and question the great Greg Weisman's choices and not get ganged-up on because of it. I tried to express myself and suddenly people are ganging up on me for them.

[JLU Dude]

Which interview did it seem like they didn't care about the comicbook series?

Okay, maybe that was out of line for me to say. But Weisman's comment about people commenting about the line-up did kind of rub me the wrong way.


If the show was named anything else would you be looking forward to it more than you are now?

Probably.


That's odd because I don't remember anyone telling you shouldn't criticize the show because of who was producing it. In fact you were the first person to mention Greg:

That wasn't what I'd meant. What I'd meant by that was that some people's reactions to my comments--both here and on another message board--kind-of soured me and my views and my enjoyment of the man's other works, if that makes sense to you.

[Yojimbo]

I dunno. Maybe it were Tim and Bart and not Dick and Wally, I wouldn't have as many problems as I do with the line-up.I'm with you there. Back before we got all this info this year, I thought they should have Bart as Kid Flash or Impulse, Tim Drake as Robin, and Nightwing as a recurring but when they started explaining what the show was about, I sorta resigned myself to more Dick Grayson (probably helped that we finally got Jason Todd in animation). But I'm still for more of the new Robin's than the old ones. Now it seems like a race between whether Drake will return via animated series or direct to video movies.


Not exactly. I liked Gargoyles, enjoyed a few episodes of WITCH (I didn't watch the series regularly), enjoyed The Spectacular Spider-Man (though I didn't care for his combining a lot of characters, but that's another issue), and liked the episodes of Ben 10 and The Batman that he wrote. A lot of it has to do with this. More exactly, beyond some of his decisions, how I was treated for my views both here and on another message board. Just some people kind-of soured me on him, if that makes sense.Yeah, and that sucks because in a weird way, I get sorta stoked when someone else with a join date of the early 2000's pops in on this forum. We're a bit of a rare breed these days, for some reason (not to saw I don't enjoy the others).

[GregX]

That wasn't what I'd meant. What I'd meant by that was that some people's reactions to my comments--both here and on another message board--kind-of soured me and my views and my enjoyment of the man's other works, if that makes sense to you.

Actually, it doesn't. What did he personally do to you? Maybe I'm just capable of separating work from fans. I'll be honest, Joss Whedon fans drive me nuts, but it doesn't sour me on Joss's work, or him. I separate them.

Comic book fans drive me especially insane, but it doesn't sour me on comics. I'm still at the shop every Wednesday reading them.

You see what I mean?

[JLU Dude]

Actually, it doesn't. What did he personally do to you? Maybe I'm just capable of separating work from fans. I'll be honest, Joss Whedon fans drive me nuts, but it doesn't sour me on Joss's work, or him. I separate them.

Comic book fans drive me especially insane, but it doesn't sour me on comics. I'm still at the shop every Wednesday reading them.

You see what I mean?

He did nothing personally, but quite some people I've had encounters with have soured my views on him. Not everybody is you and people can get sick and tired of people if the circumstances are right. It might not have happened to you, but people can have things ruined for them by aspects of that thing's fanbase.

[GregX]

He did nothing personally, but quite some people I've had encounters with have soured my views on him.

Well, I am here to personally tell you that he is a great guy. Very intelligent, witty, very down to Earth, and humble. Sure, he can be a bit sarcastic at times (but he's never mean about it), but he can take criticism as well as praise.

And frankly, I think it is a little immature to let such things sour your views. It's certainly not his fault. You need to learn to separate such things.

[Bloody Marquis]

He did nothing personally, but quite some people I've had encounters with have soured my views on him. Not everybody is you and people can get sick and tired of people if the circumstances are right. It might not have happened to you, but people can have things ruined for them by aspects of that thing's fanbase.
That kind of reasoning is flawed. If I judged stuff based on their fandoms, I wouldn't like anything.

[suss2it]

Okay, maybe that was out of line for me to say. But Weisman's comment about people commenting about the line-up did kind of rub me the wrong way.What did he say?


Probably.Well that right there is probably why some people thought you were nitpicking since your main beef is just the title.




That wasn't what I'd meant. What I'd meant by that was that some people's reactions to my comments--both here and on another message board--kind-of soured me and my views and my enjoyment of the man's other works, if that makes sense to you.I don't think you should let fan reactions taint your view Greg Weisman. You should try to judge things on their own merits and not by people who aren't involved in the production react. If that makes any sense to you.

[GregX]

What did he say?

I believe this may be what he is referring to:


2. She's not a stand-in for Starfire at all - not in our minds. She's not a stand-in for anyone. To be honest, you need to get out of the mindset of some kind of fixed team, where all we did was substitute a few characters here for a few characters there. That wasn't our process AT ALL. We began with a list of over fifty teen heroes (male and female) and chose the ones that worked best for us on a number of different levels, ranging from chronology, power mix, personality, iconicness, dynamics, etc. We really started from scratch, with no preconceptions. It would be best if the fans did the same.

I see nothing rude there, or unprofessional there. If anyone wants to see rude and unprofessional, one should look at how Marvel Comics is treating people who don't like the current direction of "Amazing Spider-Man."

[JLU Dude]

Well, I am here to personally tell you that he is a great guy. Very intelligent, witty, very down to Earth, and humble. Sure, he can be a bit sarcastic at times (but he's never mean about it), but he can take criticism as well as praise.

And frankly, I think it is a little immature to let such things sour your views. It's certainly not his fault. You need to learn to separate such things.

I have no doubt that the man usually is, but I don't like that comment, which I'll be getting to in a moment. I'll also be addressed that little bit, but I do disagree with you on it being immature.


Well that right there is probably why some people thought you were nitpicking since your main beef is just the title.

Expect that it isn't the title alone, but the line-up was well--if they title was different, then I'd look to it because at least then, it wouldn't be pretending to be something that it really isn't.


I don't think you should let fan reactions taint your view Greg Weisman. You should try to judge things on their own merits and not by people who aren't involved in the production react. If that makes any sense to you.

That kind of reasoning is flawed. If I judged stuff based on their fandoms, I wouldn't like anything.

Not saying you don't go to other message boards, but go to a board fill with people who, like say, who can't accept the DCAU being over or that Transformers: Generation 1 isn't the best TF series nor coming back and see if you don't find your interest in stuff being strained.


I see nothing rude there, or unprofessional there. If anyone wants to see rude and unprofessional, one should look at how Marvel Comics is treating people who don't like the current direction of "Amazing Spider-Man."

He might not have intended to be rude, but my main problem lies with him saying he's changed only a few members when, in reality, it's only the clone Superboy and Red Tornado who are the only real holdovers from the actual Young Justice team. Now, if there actually more members from the comic team, I wouldn't have a problem with his comment, but since he did replace most of the team, I do.

[GregX]

I have no doubt that the man usually is, but I don't like that comment, which I'll be getting to in a moment. I'll also be addressed that little bit, but I do disagree with you on it being immature.

Well, I look forward to your explanation over how it is not petty and immature.

[SKDarkDragon]

He might not have intended to be rude, but my main problem lies with him saying he's changed only a few members when, in reality, it's only the clone Superboy and Red Tornado who are the only real holdovers from the actual Young Justice team. Now, if there actually more members from the comic team, I wouldn't have a problem with his comment, but since he did replace most of the team, I do.

I think you misread the entire quote, since he clearly said they started from scratch and picked and chose characters from a list of 50. In other words, they were never trying to recreate the comic of the same name, "Young Justice." This is a totally new idea.

And with all these new pages of comments, I got excited thinking there had been some new info released. Too bad it was just everyone arguing over the cast of characters. :shrug:

[JLU Dude]

Well, I look forward to your explanation over how it is not petty and immature.

People have had stuff ruined for them before due to various factors or people and they don't want anything to do with them again--no matter the age. Are they being immature? Not really. So I don't see how my saying some people ruin Weisman for me is being immature.


I think you misread the entire quote, since he clearly said they started from scratch and picked and chose characters from a list of 50. In other words, they were never trying to recreate the comic of the same name, "Young Justice." This is a totally new idea.

And with all these new pages of comments, I got excited thinking there had been some new info released. Too bad it was just everyone arguing over the cast of characters. :shrug:

That was my point--if they weren't actually going to base it on the comic, then why call it that in the first place?

I'm getting tired of being a punching bag, since I've been ever since my expressed my disdain for certain things about this cartoon in this thread. So this is going to be my last post in this thread. I've said my piece and I have better things to do than be a punching bag.

[Batman1]

Ok, so the line-up does not reflect the comic book. Most people who will probably watch the show may have never read the comic and are going with more established characters such as Dick Grayson as Robin and Wally West as Kid Flash. Those are characters are the best known for Robin and Kid Flash and that is why they were probably picked. Again, if you don't like the show, don't watch it.

[SKDarkDragon]

That was my point--if they weren't actually going to base it on the comic, then why call it that in the first place?


Because it's a good name? At first, yeah, it does seem a little odd (to use the same name a comic, but not base it off of said comic) but then if you look at it logically, a lot of people who are going to be watching this show will have never heard of the original Young Justice comic to begin with. (I'll admit I didn't know Teen Titans had a comic back when I started watching the cartoon. :sweat:)

People watching this will most-likely be familiar with the Justice League cartoon, though. Calling it "Young Justice" is a fitting name, since the focus will be on the kids rather than the adults, but still focusing on a Justice League-type team. It kind of reminds me of the last episode of The Batman, when Batgirl and Robin said they wanted to be the "Justice League, Junior Division." Besides, what else would they have called it? The name works, so I would assume they just decided to go with it since "Teen Titans" had already been used previously.

[redrobin]

I'm sorry but you dont really have a point all you are doing is saying the same thing over again when others was giving you good reasons why its called young justice and not going by the comic book. The fact of the matter is that you don't understand that THIS IS A NEW TEAM OF YOUNG JUSTICE. You do know Young Justice comic has been canceled for years now and if this show wasn't happening and dc decides to bring back the comic guess what its going to be a new team featured in the book and a new tone that would be different from the original comic would you be wondering why they calling that book young justice if dc did that because that's exactly what there doing with this show but on an alternate world. It doesn't matter what other shows were doing they never had set where they was making NEW DC UNIVERSE with there shows this is something completely new, this team is a new and first young superhero team for the universe that they made. They wasn' t going to use teen titans because that use already and they wanted something new there boss wanted them to work with a YOUNG JUSTICE LEAGUE so I guess they like the young justice book because it is almost what there going for with the show but its not an adaption where they have to use everything from the book. So since this dealing with a young justice league there didn't want to go with that name so they went with a name nobody even using anymore and was never going come back. Also for all we know the show might just be called young justice but team might not even for there group since there an undercover group that does secret missions. So this a good reason for you if not then i guess nobody your mind about the show. Cause the Young Justice comic is probably not going to come back and this is something and exiting and looks awesome and is even getting its own comic that is set on a different earth that maybe one day crossover with the teen titans comic.

[Livy1213]

New theory on Comic Vine (http://www.comicvine.com/young-justice/65-17733/a-clue-to-who-is-artemis-on-the-young-justice-cartoon/92-566366/): Artemis is Olivia Queen, the daughter of Green Arrow and Black Canary.

This... makes a lot of sense. Greg Weisman has stated Black Canary as his favorite DC character with Green Arrow following close behind. Since all the members of the current team seem to be related to or adopted by heroes of the Justice League, it makes sense.

Superboy --> Superman's clone
Robin --> Batman's ward/adopted son
Kid Flash --> The Flash's nephew
Miss Martian --> J'onn's niece or daughter, they haven't been clear on which

Aqualad --> He's the only one that doesn't really fit. He is the son of Black Manta but that's all we know about him.

[GregX]

People have had stuff ruined for them before due to various factors or people and they don't want anything to do with them again--no matter the age. Are they being immature? Not really. So I don't see how my saying some people ruin Weisman for me is being immature.

Then those people are petty and immature as well. You're not making a good case for why it's not. I've had my own moments of being petty and immature, but I was still man enough to admit it.

And just because a lot of people have behaved a certain way does not make such behavior acceptable. You know the old saying, if a lot of people were jumping off a bridge...

[redrobin]

That actually makes sense cause they also said that black canary among other members of justice league that has connection to the group has a large role in the show. So maybe Artemis is there daughter. It good way to connect her character to the other superheros. Good theory

[AlgeaX]

A change of topic is in order, I think.

So what what kind of villains are you hoping or expected to see turn up in this show? So far we have confirmation of Queen Bee, played by Marina Sirtis as well as several cold themed bad guys like Mr. Freeze, Captain cold and Icicle.

We also know that one of the main suplots will involve the supervillain community becoming more organised and better at operating under the radar. Which would necessitate the need for Young Justice to act as the JLA's covert ops team.

My prediction, whoever ends up being the main villain of this series, expect them to make liberal use of the Xanatos Gambit (http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/XanatosGambit). ;)

[W.C.Reaf]

I don't think they'll be using the Secret Society (the only big organised villain grouping I can think of at the moment) since it was used in a big way in the final season of JLU.

So maybe we'll be seeing something new or an entirely different spin on the organised villain community. Or at least one we haven't seen in animation before.

[Primal Slayer]

New theory on Comic Vine (http://www.comicvine.com/young-justice/65-17733/a-clue-to-who-is-artemis-on-the-young-justice-cartoon/92-566366/): Artemis is Olivia Queen, the daughter of Green Arrow and Black Canary.

This... makes a lot of sense. Greg Weisman has stated Black Canary as his favorite DC character with Green Arrow following close behind. Since all the members of the current team seem to be related to or adopted by heroes of the Justice League, it makes sense.


To bad they dont have a daughter in the comics, which Greg has stated the charecter is based off an already established charecter in the DCU.

[Yojimbo]

New theory on Comic Vine (http://www.comicvine.com/young-justice/65-17733/a-clue-to-who-is-artemis-on-the-young-justice-cartoon/92-566366/): Artemis is Olivia Queen, the daughter of Green Arrow and Black Canary.

Miss Martian --> J'onn's niece or daughter, they haven't been clear on which
Niece. Misquoted on CBM.

A bit of a reach into Earth-11. I'm sticking with my Artemis Crock theory.


A change of topic is in order, I think.

So what what kind of villains are you hoping or expected to see turn up in this show? So far we have confirmation of Queen Bee, played by Marina Sirtis as well as several cold themed bad guys like Mr. Freeze, Captain cold and Icicle.

We also know that one of the main suplots will involve the supervillain community becoming more organised and better at operating under the radar. Which would necessitate the need for Young Justice to act as the JLA's covert ops team.

My prediction, whoever ends up being the main villain of this series, expect them to make liberal use of the Xanatos Gambit (http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/XanatosGambit). ;)I don't know, most of the characters I've wanted to appear have so far. I'm still waiting for Floronic Man.

I think the interesting part will be how the villains respond to a black ops team. Form their own?

Saw this on s8 by Greg Weisman, himself:


What's in a name...?

So I've been lurking a bit today on various Young Justice message boards (almost always a mistake), and I feel the need to respond on one point (ALWAYS a mistake).

Some people are asking (with various levels of outrage), why we are calling this series "Young Justice"?

They cite the fact that our Robin isn't Tim Drake, that our Kid Flash isn't Impulse/Bart Allen. That we're not using Wonder Girl or Arrowette or Secret and that even our Superboy is dressed more like the later Titans Superboy. And, honestly, I can see their point. In some ways, I do almost (almost) wish we weren't using the Young Justice title. But it would be nice if these people turned a more practical and realistic eye toward the question of title.

Some ask, why not call it Teen Titans, when you have Dick, Wally, Aqualad, etc.?

But the answer to that is beyond obvious. There was a RECENT hit series named Teen Titans. The name is TAKEN! Taken, by the way, by a great series that used the cast not of Teen Titans but of Marv Wolfman & George Perez's NEW TEEN TITANS with the tone of neither. In fact, the tone is/was much closer to Peter David & Todd Nauck's YOUNG JUSTICE. (Ironic, huh?)

And if, somehow, we DID call our series TEEN TITANS (again), how would that help? Another group of fans (with some overlap) would cry foul because we were putting Superboy, Miss Martian, Artemis and a new Aqualad in with Dick and Wally. Where's Donna? And etc.

The thing is... we're not doing a straight adaptation of either Teen Titans OR Young Justice. We are, in fact, pulling from both properties and later Titans and decades worth of Justice League stuff to create something new with a new continuity on a new Earth-16.

So what SHOULD we entitle it? There just ISN'T one comic book title that's a PERFECT fit for what we're doing. So if you get past the impossible notion of finding a historically accurate title, you're left with coming up with a MEANINGFUL title. In which case, Young Justice fits perfectly - at least on THAT level. (Trust me, you'll see.) It's a flat-out BETTER and more appropriate and more meaningful title for our series than New Titans or Teen Titans or plain old Titans or Justice League Task Force or Justice League Europe or Extreme Justice or Justice League Babies or pretty much anything else you can come up with. I know. I tried. Nothing else captures the essence of our series as well. Baggage or no baggage.

That still leaves the perfectly legit argument: Why do this? Why NOT just adapt the David/Nauck Young Justice? Fair question, absolutely.

And the answer here is... we didn't want to. The creative people (myself, Brandon Vietti, Sam Register, etc.) behind the series premiering this November on Cartoon Network didn't want to. That's not meant as any disrespect for a great comic book. But again, we felt that the tone of the David/Nauck Young Justice book had been done recently and well on television as Teen Titans. Different group of teens, but the same feeling. We wanted to do something NEW. Maybe you'll like it. Maybe you won't. But writers as diverse as Peter David (yep, that Peter David) and Geoff Johns and, uh, Greg Weisman all like what we're doing, so maybe it's worth at least giving us a chance. Or not. That's the call of every individual.

But if you are going to give us a try, you might also try leaving a bit of baggage behind. We have six leads and many, many, many supporting characters (135 existing characters from the DC Universe just through episode 16 alone). As when I worked on Spectacular Spider-Man, we have tried VERY hard to be as true to the core truths of each individual character as possible. Some of the interpretations may be new. Some of the details. The timeline is start from scratch. (Parallel universe, remember?) But the core should hold true, or I haven't done my job.

And gang, stop pretending you know what's coming or what ISN'T coming. What characters will eventually be included and which won't. We haven't even premiered yet. It's fine to guess. But making a guess and then praising or condemning us based on that guess is a bit rough.

Now, I know that this message will invariably read like I've got a big chip on my shoulder. And/or that I'm whining about fans pre-judging the work. That's not the TONE I want for this message. But it's hard in text to get tone across. The tone I'm looking for is more like... weariness. (Not wariness, but weariness.) Honestly, all I'm trying to get across here is that perhaps the conversation would be more productive if folks weren't stuck on preconceptions.

Oh, and one more thing for the record: I know a number of people -- even a few individuals legitimately attached to the series -- have been quoted saying the original title of the series was "Young Justice League". It wasn't. Ever. For better or worse, we were "Young Justice" from Day One of our development. And why not "Young Justice League?" Well, frankly, cuz it sounds awful, don't you think?

Non-sequitor, but since I'm in correcting-internet-incorrectness-mode: Miss Martian is the NIECE of Martian Manhunter. NOT his daughter. Someone misquoted us there.Link: s8 rambling (http://www.s8.org/gargoyles/askgreg/search.php?rid=866)

[Bat-Fan Beyond]

Saw this on s8 by Greg Weisman, himself:

Link: s8 rambling (http://www.s8.org/gargoyles/askgreg/search.php?rid=866)

Thanks for that, Yojimbo. And thanks to Greg Weisman for making that address. I can't wait for this show! It going to be (and pardon this preconception) AWESOME!

[Yojimbo]

Thanks for that, Yojimbo. And thanks to Greg Weisman for making that address. I can't wait for this show! It going to be (and pardon this preconception) AWESOME! No problem. It also made me a little paranoid. I'm really glad Weisman decided to post it, shows how cool he is and how much he's dedicated to his work.

That bit about 136 characters by episode 16...the fan in me cheered but the website owner in me cried. j/k :p

[redrobin]

135 characters just in 16 episodes that is just awesome. I wonder who is going to show up.

[W.C.Reaf]

Saw this on s8 by Greg Weisman, himself:

Link: s8 rambling (http://www.s8.org/gargoyles/askgreg/search.php?rid=866)

Aw so Miss Martian’s his Niece? I was hoping they'd use her White Martian past (which I found very interesting and cool). Ah well I hope she's still as awesomely cute as she is in the comics.

Thanks for the link, it certainly helps clear things up a bit.


135 characters just in 16 episodes that is just awesome. I wonder who is going to show up.

I think the better question is who isn't going to be showing up. ;)

[AlgeaX]

We have six leads and many, many, many supporting characters (135 existing characters from the DC Universe just through episode 16 alone).

Wow, when Greg said this show would be like an adaptation of the DC universe as a whole, he wasn't screwing around.

[Yojimbo]

Aw so Miss Martian’s his Niece? I was hoping they'd use her White Martian past (which I found very interesting and cool). Ah well I hope she's still as awesomely cute as she is in the comics.

Thanks for the link, it certainly helps clear things up a bit. Yeah. Definitely. But I'm still waiting for the Yellow Martians. :p

My pleasure, I like it when they have sites or blogs, just clears things up so well.


I think the better question is who isn't going to be showing up. ;)Bat-Mite? But yeah, I remember him saying he had a short list of one's he couldn't use, short as in counting with one hand or something to that effect.

[Jacob T. Paschal]

With one hundred thirty-five characters to play with fans would likely be very angry if the show were to end at sixty-five episodes, espicially considering the supposed large scope. :sweat:

[Yojimbo]

With one hundred thirty-five characters to play with fans would likely be very angry if the show were to end at sixty-five episodes, especially considering the supposed large scope. :sweat:Maybe once those 65 episodes are done, they'll do a sequel to this series called Old Justice. :D

[Jacob T. Paschal]

Maybe once those 65 episodes are done, they'll do a sequel to this series called Old Justice. :D

Heh, that I wouldn't mind...although it begs the question as to whether or not they would toss in a timeskip between the two series' or not.

[Gilgamesh]

Not that I disagree with what Weisman said (because I agree with it completely), but I'm not entirely sure that statement should've been made. If only because, well, I don't really think anyone's going to listen.

What I think is MORE upsetting is the people flooding Ask Greg for Young Justice spoilers.

[Livy1213]

Makes me wonder if this could possibly be a start to a new series of shows much like the DCAU, like this is DCAU 2 --or something like that...

That's assuming if the show is really really successful but even then WB/DC seem happy to dump 'em (The Batman, Brave and the Bold) and make new ones from scratch instead of investing in spin-offs anymore.

[Yojimbo]

Livy1213,

Y'know, I think if the next Superman got off the ground faster, we'd probably be talking about Superman: World's Finest from James Tucker or something like that, in continuity with The Brave and The Bold. I think instead of claiming the Powers That Be dumped these past series in favor of trends, I think a huge volume of series in continuity with each other is a rare site for any animated series. I take it as one of those rare and lucky anomalies in television.


Heh, that I wouldn't mind...although it begs the question as to whether or not they would toss in a timeskip between the two series' or not.lol, you. Speaking of that, I also wonder how they'll treat the passage of time on Young Justice. It was pretty loose on The Brave and The Bold aside from a few stated eras traveled to. And out of sheer coolness, there were only one or two contradictions spanning the universe of B:TAS up to JLU.

[Gilgamesh]

Makes me wonder if this could possibly be a start to a new series of shows much like the DCAU, like this is DCAU 2 --or something like that...

That's assuming if the show is really really successful but even then WB/DC seem happy to dump 'em (The Batman, Brave and the Bold) and make new ones from scratch instead of investing in spin-offs anymore.

I'm not really sure we need another DCAU. I'm perfectly content with stand alone series.

[Yojimbo]

:cool: Just realized, Weisman snuck in another 16 in that link I posted (135 existing...by episode 16)! In-joke, math nerd reference, Lost fans in the staff, or alluding to the Coming of Age motif that has interesting significance with one of the tenants of Young Justice?

[Gilgamesh]

There is no way a math nerd would do a numerical reference as simple as 16 showing up over and over again.

I can only assume it's just him having fun with the coming of age theme.

[KillerMoth]

It's unlikely, but it may have to do with the plot, it's certainly not the first arc phrase in history. Though I doubt its anything other than an injoke.

[garfield15]

I am definitely more than positive 16 is going to be an Arc Number for something.. If it isn't I'll be very surprised.

[GWOtaku]

I'm glad Mr. Weisman made that post. At a minimum, X-Men Evolution and Teen Titans should have been more than enough to dispel the concept that a good superhero cartoon must go out of its way to be faithful to comics, not to mention the Hawk Girl/Jon Stewart drama back during Justice League's inception that was proven to be a total non-issue in time. It's any individual's choice to not watch based on technicalities, but they're liable to miss out on an excellent show that way. I'd call that a real shame. It pays to have an open mind, and this all takes place in a parallel universe anyhow.

[AlgeaX]

Speaking of that, I also wonder how they'll treat the passage of time on Young Justice. It was pretty loose on The Brave and The Bold aside from a few stated eras traveled to. And out of sheer coolness, there were only one or two contradictions spanning the universe of B:TAS up to JLU.

Going by Greg's earlier shows I imagine we'll see a gradual progression of time as the series progresses, kinda like how every season of The Spectacular Spider-Man was designed to represent a semester of Pete in high school. In fact this show will probably cover a lot of the same thematic ground, I wouldn't be surprised if Greg were to adapt his original "do 65 eps of 'em in high school, have 'em graduate in the series finale the ship 'em of to college for the DTVs" master plan.

[Gilgamesh]

I'm glad Mr. Weisman made that post. At a minimum, X-Men Evolution and Teen Titans should have been more than enough to dispel the concept that a good superhero cartoon must go out of its way to be faithful to comics, not to mention the Hawk Girl/Jon Stewart drama back during Justice League's inception that was proven to be a total non-issue in time. It's any individual's choice to not watch based on technicalities, but they're liable to miss out on an excellent show that way. I'd call that a real shame. It pays to have an open mind, and this all takes place in a parallel universe anyhow.

While I agree with you, and while Weisman's my favorite writer ever, I'm still not sure he should've made that post (Hell, he openly admits it's a mistake to do so). If someone's not gonna get it, they're not gonna get it. And if they miss out on something nice...well, it's a TV show. They're probably gonna live. If countless interviews on the subject don't get it through people's heads, I don't think restating it is going to do it.

[SaBaWoJuLe]

Just to lay out a theory on the 16 idea: this might have somethign to do with the characters and their storylines on the show, since they're "young" Justice:

You're 16 when you can get your driver's license.
You are alllowed to get a job at 16.
Even drop out of school at 16.
Get married at 16.

This show feels like we are going to get a "coming of age" feel, thus "coming of age" occurs in many at age 16 (and fully begins mainly in 17-21), as seen by the many songs; "Happy Birthday Sweet Sixteen", "You're Sixteen", "Sweet Sixteen", "U16 Girls" "Sweet Little Sixteen" and "Sixteen Candles", the last of which became the famous John Hughes movie.

So the 16 idea may not be just "there", it could have something to do wuth the characters and their stories on the show.

Just a theory...

[beyond94]

It's obviously too early to call it in regards to any continuity links, but if I had to GUESS:

I'm willing to bet that "Young Justice" IS supposed to be loosely based off the continuity of Co2E. Similar to how the first season of "Justice League" was meant to be a loose continuation of "S:TAS/B:TAS". With Bruce Greenwood replacing William Baldwin simply because he's better for the part.

Co2E didn't really have much continuity to contradict anyhow, and we already know the same characters/designs exist. So unless "Young Justice" goes on to reference the Crime Syndicate, then it shouldn't really matter. (Though, a point against them being linked is that in Co2E Owlman showed there was an infinite amount of parallel worlds, while "Young Justice" is supposed to be a part of DC's limited 52 worlds)

As for "Young Justice" being in continuity with "Under the Red Hood" because of Greenwood, it's a completely moot point anyhow. "Under the Red Hood" takes place in Batman's later life, where Dick is already Nightwing and Jason's tenure as Robin had come and gone. In "Young Justice" Dick is still Robin and has only been Robin for four(?) years.

So even if "Under the Red Hood" was hypothetically in continuity with "Young Justice" they're so far apart chronologically that it wouldn't matter. Unless "Young Justice" went on long enough to see Dick become Nightwing and Jason become the next Robin. But even then, so what? There wasn't enough content in Jason's flashbacks for there to really be anything exciting about the crossover.

---If they should ever do a Crisis On Two Earths extended edition video, Bruce Greenwood should replace William Baldwin as Batman's voice.
while Brandon Routh does Superman instead of Mark Harmon. The two best
voices of that cast were Chris Noth as Lex Luthor and especially James Woods as Owlman. I feel that Ultraman's voice done by Brian Bloom was trying to be
too much Brooklyn mob sounding. Jon Favreau would have done a much better job for that part. Superwoman done by Gina Torres was not very well done.
I felt that her voice was more of a heroine that a murderous seductress that I was thrown off by her performance. Morena Baccarin would have made a better voice for Superwoman and a perfect match for James Woods Owlman. Hopefully the voice cast will be better in Young Justice that the Crisis On Two Earths
film since there both in the same universe.

[AlgeaX]

Just to lay out a theory on the 16 idea: this might have something to do with the characters and their storylines on the show, since they're "young" Justice:

You're 16 when you can get your driver's license.
You are allowed to get a job at 16.
Even drop out of school at 16.
Get married at 16.

This show feels like we are going to get a "coming of age" feel, thus "coming of age" occurs in many at age 16 (and fully begins mainly in 17-21), as seen by the many songs; "Happy Birthday Sweet Sixteen", "You're Sixteen", "Sweet Sixteen", "U16 Girls" "Sweet Little Sixteen" and "Sixteen Candles", the last of which became the famous John Hughes movie.

So the 16 idea may not be just "there", it could have something to do with the characters and their stories on the show.

Just a theory...

Another weird coincidence, this year on October 24th will mark the 16th anniversary of the premier of Gargoyles on the Disney Channel.

<cue ominous music>

[suss2it]

Hopefully the voice cast will be better in Young Justice that the Crisis On Two Earths
film since there both in the same universe.We don't know that the two are in the same universe, and judging by what's been said by Greg I'm pretty sure Young Justice isn't going to be connected to any other DC animation that has come out yet.

[Gilgamesh]

We don't know that the two are in the same universe, and judging by what's been said by Greg I'm pretty sure Young Justice isn't going to be connected to any other DC animation that has come out yet.

It's not in the same universe.

[Yojimbo]

Going by Greg's earlier shows I imagine we'll see a gradual progression of time as the series progresses, kinda like how every season of The Spectacular Spider-Man was designed to represent a semester of Pete in high school. In fact this show will probably cover a lot of the same thematic ground, I wouldn't be surprised if Greg were to adapt his original "do 65 eps of 'em in high school, have 'em graduate in the series finale the ship 'em of to college for the DTVs" master plan.Thanks for sharing this. Sounds good to me.


Just to lay out a theory on the 16 idea: this might have somethign to do with the characters and their storylines on the show, since they're "young" Justice:

You're 16 when you can get your driver's license.
You are alllowed to get a job at 16.
Even drop out of school at 16.
Get married at 16.

This show feels like we are going to get a "coming of age" feel, thus "coming of age" occurs in many at age 16 (and fully begins mainly in 17-21), as seen by the many songs; "Happy Birthday Sweet Sixteen", "You're Sixteen", "Sweet Sixteen", "U16 Girls" "Sweet Little Sixteen" and "Sixteen Candles", the last of which became the famous John Hughes movie.

So the 16 idea may not be just "there", it could have something to do wuth the characters and their stories on the show.

Just a theory...I agree with this theory, it's what I was getting at and what Fenrir also thinks.


Hopefully the voice cast will be better in Young Justice that the Crisis On Two Earths film since there both in the same universe.Nope. Greg Weisman and Brandon Vietti have repeatedly stated, Young Justice will be in its own parallel universe, Earth 16, where they will build up a new timeline and continuity. It's easy to be caught up in the idea that since both share the same character designer, Phil Bourassa, they are in the same universe. Sure you can use the general details of Crisis on Two Earths to explain what happened in the World's Collide story between JL and JLU as well as answer Wonder Woman's jet in JLU is their universe's parallel universe's Owlman's, too. But one can go cross-eyed after awhile.

Suffice to say, both are in their own universes in the great DC animated Multiverse.


Another weird coincidence, this year on October 24th will mark the 16th anniversary of the premier of Gargoyles on the Disney Channel.

<cue ominous music>:D

[CyclonatorZ]

The more I hear about this show, the more it sounds like something I'll have to watch from day one, just like Greg's previous show. The fact that it isn't based on the comic book of the same name actually is a relief to me, as I'm not familiar with the original Young Justice at all. I also like the sound of this show possibly spawing a whole new continuty of cartoons - it would be great to have another interconnecting universe like the DCAU, as opposed to the fractured approach that Marvel is taking with their cartoons.

Also, 130 characters by episode 16? Phew, and I thought Spetacular Spiderman had a large cast... not that I'm complaining, though. :p

[suss2it]

it would be great to have another interconnecting universe like the DCAU, as opposed to the fractured approach that Marvel is taking with their cartoons.DC has taken the exact same approach, what with Teen Titans, Legion of Super Heroes, The Batman and Batman: Brave and the Bold all taking place in their own separate universes.

Marvel also had a shared universe going on back in the 90s as well, though I don't think it was done as well as the DCAU.


Also, 130 characters by episode 16? Phew, and I thought Spetacular Spiderman had a large cast... not that I'm complaining, though. :pI can't wait to see who's gonna be showing up, I hope they all look as cool as the characters that have shown, because so far there isn't a design I can complain about.

[Bloody Marquis]

Marvel also had a shared universe going on back in the 90s as well, though I don't think it was done as well as the DCAU.
And really, the shows weren't really that tightly connected other than the occasional crossover.

Though I have to wonder if Under The Red Hood might be canon to Young Justice (same actor playing Batman, similar designs).

[suss2it]

And really, the shows weren't really that tightly connected other than the occasional crossover.

Though I have to wonder if Under The Red Hood might be canon to Young Justice (same actor playing Batman, similar designs).As I've said before, based on what Greg Weisman has said I don't think Young Justice is meant to be connected to anything. I'm guessing Brandon Vietti (the director of Under The Red Hood and co-creator/co-producer of Young Justice) really liked working with Greenwood and thought he made a really good Batman.

Also as someone already said (I think it was RedDeath) if Young Justice and Under the Red Hood are in the same universe it doesn't really matter due to the large gap in time between the two.

[NikD]

Can someone share the link where it says Peter David is writing 7-9 episodes? I keep hearing about it, but I haven't seen the source material.

Thanks!

[Gilgamesh]

Also as someone already said (I think it was RedDeath) if Young Justice and Under the Red Hood are in the same universe it doesn't really matter due to the large gap in time between the two.

They are not in the same universe. And shared universes are horribly overrated.

[Yojimbo]

Can someone share the link where it says Peter David is writing 7-9 episodes? I keep hearing about it, but I haven't seen the source material.

Thanks!I don't know where 7-9 came from but I remember "several." Here's the link I've got: Peter David Blog Entry (http://www.peterdavid.net/index.php/2010/07/25/san-diego-con-day-3/)

[NikD]

Thanks Yojimbo! From your link, it sounds like he's doing 2, 3 tops.

[Kryten]

Maybe once those 65 episodes are done, they'll do a sequel to this series called Old Justice. :D

And then we can all complain that they left Merry Pemberton and Sweep Second out of the lineup. :p

[Yojimbo]

Thanks Yojimbo! From your link, it sounds like he's doing 2, 3 tops.Welcome, NikD. Yup, that's the vibe I got, too.


And then we can all complain that they left Merry Pemberton and Sweep Second out of the lineup. :p:D:D Nice callback.

[suss2it]

Thanks Yojimbo! From your link, it sounds like he's doing 2, 3 tops.Several makes it sound like more than 2 or 3.

[Yojimbo]

Several makes it sound like more than 2 or 3.Yikes, yeah, you're right, that's generally what several means.

I also read a rumor somewhere that Jon Weisman was writing on Young Justice. Does that sound plausible? I remember him from the Men in Black animated series. (EDIT: Yup, Greg Weisman's brother)

[suss2it]

Yikes, yeah, you're right, that's generally what several means.

I also read a rumor somewhere that Jon Weisman was writing on Young Justice. Does that sound plausible? I remember him from the Men in Black animated series.
Is he Greg's brother? If so I'd think it's possible that he may write a couple episodes for the show.

[Lockjaw]

If they should ever do a Crisis On Two Earths extended edition video, Bruce Greenwood should replace William Baldwin as Batman's voice.
while Brandon Routh does Superman instead of Mark Harmon. The two best
voices of that cast were Chris Noth as Lex Luthor and especially James Woods as Owlman. I feel that Ultraman's voice done by Brian Bloom was trying to be
too much Brooklyn mob sounding. Jon Favreau would have done a much better job for that part. Superwoman done by Gina Torres was not very well done.
I felt that her voice was more of a heroine that a murderous seductress that I was thrown off by her performance. Morena Baccarin would have made a better voice for Superwoman and a perfect match for James Woods Owlman. Hopefully the voice cast will be better in Young Justice that the Crisis On Two Earths
film since there both in the same universe.

+1

Baldwin's batman is the only one i hated in recent memory. It reminded me too much of Adam West.

[ShadowStar]

They are not in the same universe. And shared universes are horribly overrated.

But they can be great fun and rewarding to long-term viewers, as the DCAU shows.

[Gilgamesh]

But they can be great fun and rewarding to long-term viewers, as the DCAU shows.

Because early B:TAS episodes are so enhanced by the existence of Kryptonian spacemen.

Look. Shared universes are okay. They're just okay. Maybe you disagree, and that's fine. But I think shared continuities qualify as overrated when every single DC show is shoehorned into some shared universe regardless of whether or not that would actually benefit the show.

We even have people who try to fit the DTVs into a single universe. That's ridiculous. How about, instead of wanting an already admitted DC Universe Adaptation to be a part of a wider universe (even though this show IS, by mission statement, that wider universe), you all wait until the show actually airs?

[AlgeaX]

Because early B:TAS episodes are so enhanced by the existence of Kryptonian spacemen.

Look. Shared universes are okay. They're just okay. Maybe you disagree, and that's fine. But I think shared continuities qualify as overrated when every single DC show is shoehorned into some shared universe regardless of whether or not that would actually benefit the show.

We even have people who try to fit the DTVs into a single universe. That's ridiculous. How about, instead of wanting an already admitted DC Universe Adaptation to be a part of a wider universe (even though this show IS, by mission statement, that wider universe), you all wait until the show actually airs?

I think shared universes work best when you've got the same creative team working on the various shows to maintain a certain consistant style and tone. That's what made the DCAU work. It also helps when said shows are designed to fit together from the start. That's why I really don't consider the 90s Marvel toons a shared universe despite the odd crossover. They were created by different teams in different studios who usually had no idea the others were doing at the time.

I also don't really see the benfit of constantly trying to shoehorn radically different shows and movies into the same continuity, I mean there's nothing in Gotham Knights that outright contradicts anything in Teen Titans, but would you really want to see them in the same continuity?

Shared universes are fine as long as they're executed well, but if a show like Young Justice or Batman: The Brave and The Bold can work better by doing it's own thing then I'm all for it.