"Mad Men" Season Four Talkback (Spoilers)

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Season four of the critically acclaimed AMC original series returns tonight at 10 PM Eastern.

Episode 4.01: "Public Relations"


After over 11 months since his divorce, Don's secretive ways lead to the cancellation of an interview with a major newspaper which would have thrust the new agency into the spotlight.

[Wonderwall]

Good to see the gang( well most of them ) back. Don seems in a worse shape than ever after the divorce, he seems like he's just hanging on to right now, reinventing himself a little. I can't imagine Draper from the past 3 seasons kicking out clients like he did here but that's how much things have changed for him now.

[Yojimbo]

Loved Roger Sterling and his quips again. I couldn't believe that Betty didn't move out of the house already. And her mother-in-law's dirt line was pretty on the ball.

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A new episode airs tonight at 10 PM Eastern.

Episode 4.02: "Christmas Comes but Once a Year"


The agency's Christmas party is nearly spoiled by the late arrival of a surprise and not-so-welcome visitor.

[Wonderwall]

Damn, and here I thought we'd never have to see that creepy Glen kid again:sweat:. Seriously that kid's gives me the creeps. And am I the only one getting annoyed by that one guy who works at the office? The one in the ugly red square jacket that worked with Peggy.

[Yojimbo]

Damn, and here I thought we'd never have to see that creepy Glen kid again:sweat:. Seriously that kid's gives me the creeps. And am I the only one getting annoyed by that one guy who works at the office? The one in the ugly red square jacket that worked with Peggy.Yeah, I don't care for him, neither. But it is the first season with most of these folk. I was surprised Creepy Glen and Freddie returned. Nora Zehetner on Mad Men was a bit of a surprise, too.

I hated Lee Garner Jr. for what he made Roger do at the party. I could tell he wanted to deck Jr. when he grabbed the wife like that. Geoff and that blonde from the consumer research were some interesting additions. Their conversation in Don's office was classic. I liked that someone commented about the decor, and it had to be Roger.

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A new episode airs tonight at 10 PM Eastern.

Episode 4.03: "The Good News"


Don makes a jaunt to Acapulco, while back at the office, Lane and Joan get into a serious disagreement.

[Yojimbo]

The adventures of Don and Lane were hilarious. His reaction to a $25 prostitute was priceless.

[Wonderwall]

The adventures of Don and Lane were hilarious. His reaction to a $25 prostitute was priceless.

I loved Lane's reaction to what really goes on in movie theaters:p

I've noticed that Pete hasn't really done a whole lot in the first three episodes. The previews though seem to indicate that he will play a major role in the next episode. Joan has had a good amount in the last 2 episodes and I really liked her and Lane's misunderstanding when it came to the flowers. And I know Don likes the ladies( more so now than ever ) but man was he going younger than usual, it was actually kind of creepy for once. News of Anna having cancer seemed to take him out of that and it was sad to see that he probably won't see her alive again.

[Yojimbo]

I loved Lane's reaction to what really goes on in movie theaters:p

I've noticed that Pete hasn't really done a whole lot in the first three episodes. The previews though seem to indicate that he will play a major role in the next episode. Joan has had a good amount in the last 2 episodes and I really liked her and Lane's misunderstanding when it came to the flowers. And I know Don likes the ladies( more so now than ever ) but man was he going younger than usual, it was actually kind of creepy for once. News of Anna having cancer seemed to take him out of that and it was sad to see that he probably won't see her alive again.I just remembered the beef and Texas impression. :sweat:

What about the other time he was with that girl from that traveling family? I found that a little creepy. Something about that California air in the 60's...

That's true, Pete's been a wallflower lately. I wonder if it's because he doesn't have his clique to shoot the breeze with like in previous seasons. The first episodes of this season were more Don-centric than I remember the previous ones. Pete and Harry have had short appearances so far. And at the end of the episode, I don't think I saw Bert in that first of the year meeting.

[PeppeRaskell1]

Just started watching this a few days ago. Anyone know where I can catch up with the first three seasons?


Damn, and here I thought we'd never have to see that creepy Glen kid again:sweat:.

But Don's little girl (name please, people?) seems to like him. He didn't egg-bomb her bedroom.

[Wonderwall]

I just remembered the beef and Texas impression. :sweat:

What about the other time he was with that girl from that traveling family? I found that a little creepy. Something about that California air in the 60's...

That's true, Pete's been a wallflower lately. I wonder if it's because he doesn't have his clique to shoot the breeze with like in previous seasons. The first episodes of this season were more Don-centric than I remember the previous ones. Pete and Harry have had short appearances so far. And at the end of the episode, I don't think I saw Bert in that first of the year meeting.

I didn't find that as creepy because that whole family creeped me out and seemed to creep Don out too a little it seemed or at the least confused him. This time it was just him and with his best friend's niece.

It has seemed a little Don heavy so far, which isn't a bad thing but it was nice to give some time to Joan in the last episode and Lane as well. The next episode from the previews didn't really have Don in them that much from what I remember.


Just started watching this a few days ago. Anyone know where I can catch up with the first three seasons?



But Don's little girl (name please, people?) seems to like him. He didn't egg-bomb her bedroom.

All three previous seasons are available on DVD and Blu Ray. AMC I don't think does reruns of previous seasons except when they do their best of season... marathons. I know I've seen reruns on Bravo up here in Canada but they seem inconsistent. Getting the sets is the best way to go. And his daughter's name is Sally:p

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A new episode airs tonight at 10 PM Eastern.

Episode 4.04: "The Rejected"


When Pete receives an edict from Roger and Lane, he finds himself confronting a personal dilemma.

[Yojimbo]

Cosgrove!

The column in Pete's office and Allison's confrontation were the highlights for me. I loved Sterling and everyones' reaction to Don's new secretary. I didn't expect them to revisit Peggy and Pete's affair but it made sense in hindsight.

[Wonderwall]

I didn't expect them to revisit Peggy and Pete's affair but it made sense in hindsight.

I was surprised about that as they haven't really touched that since season 2 and in their time line that was something like 3 years before this episode.

I felt bad for Alison as she probably thought she would have been different instead of one of Don's conquests. Her breaking down showed it had been eating away at her. Well at least this shouldn't happen again with his new secretary...unless he wants to try something new:sweat:

[Yojimbo]

I was surprised about that as they haven't really touched that since season 2 and in their time line that was something like 3 years before this episode.I keep forgetting how much time passed already. Seems only like yesterday Peggy gave birth to the bastard kid.


I felt bad for Alison as she probably thought she would have been different instead of one of Don's conquests. Her breaking down showed it had been eating away at her. Well at least this shouldn't happen again with his new secretary...unless he wants to try something new:sweat:Yeah...but my reaction was the same as the bunch all snickering at Don as he walked back to his office. Mothballs.

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A new episode airs tonight at 10 PM Eastern.

Episode 4.05: "The Chrysanthemum and the Sword"


Don and Pete disregard Roger's expectations in an effort to land an important new client.

[Wonderwall]

"How does she not fall over?" in Japanese and Peggy circling on a motorcycle in an empty lot where the funniest parts for me. Sly trick from Don to get rid of the "competition" as well.

I was actually surprised that he's still seeing that one girl from the season premiere. 3 dates in 5 months? I think if I tried something like that that girl wouldn't bother to make a third date:p

Seeing Roger all riled up and racist was different. It makes sense given the timeframe of the show and his history. Felt a little bad when Joan didn't want to hear his story but she was right to do so for her and even for him as well.

Also liked seeing Don finally get a jab in on that guy who works in the creative department.

[Yojimbo]

"How does she not fall over?" in JapaneseLoved it. Probably the funniest inappropriate line but kinda true ever.


Peggy circling on a motorcycle in an empty lot where the funniest parts for me.That was pretty clever. But the image of seeing Peggy driving around in circles on an empty set struck me as metaphorical and foreshadowing. I wonder what plans they have for her later in the season considering the stuff from last week.


I was actually surprised that he's still seeing that one girl from the season premiere. 3 dates in 5 months? I think if I tried something like that that girl wouldn't bother to make a third date:pThe 60's. :sweat: Yet, it makes me want to see and know more about her and her goals. There's something else going on that we're not seeing.


Seeing Roger all riled up and racist was different. It makes sense given the timeframe of the show and his history. Felt a little bad when Joan didn't want to hear his story but she was right to do so for her and even for him as well.It was different, but I'm glad they addressed his past again. A big question mark for me is Roger's past and I'd like to know more, since he's one of my favorites.


Also liked seeing Don finally get a jab in on that guy who works in the creative department.That was a good one. Then the other one from last season makes a cameo. How weird was that?

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A new episode airs tonight at 10 PM Eastern.

Episode 4.06: "Waldorf Stories"


Peggy and her new creative partner don't see eye-to-eye.

[Yojimbo]

Loved the parallel between present Don and past Roger. Miss Blakenship still makes me laugh. Cosgrove is coming back! And tiny man gets hired!!

[Wonderwall]

Loved the parallel between present Don and past Roger.

Younger Don makes me laugh as he sounds so not...cool:p for a lack of a better term. Also funny as Don apparently hasn't aged since Korea. He was very persistent back then...of course he still is what with how many times he's unsuccesfully bedded either new blonde in his life. Guess blondes don't have more fun.


And tiny man gets hired!!

I feel like I should be able to put in my pocket for good luck. I never knew the guy from Buffy was that tiny, that or I forgot. Does this mean in 10 years he'll be like Don:sweat:

Another thing is why does Pete dislike Kenny so much? Is it because of that time Layne made them share the same position from last season or does he see him as a threat?

[Yojimbo]

Younger Don makes me laugh as he sounds so not...cool:p for a lack of a better term. Also funny as Don apparently hasn't aged since Korea.Yes, he's...hokey? Well he is the Dorian Gray of the 1960's, maybe.


I feel like I should be able to put in my pocket for good luck. I never knew the guy from Buffy was that tiny, that or I forgot. Does this mean in 10 years he'll be like Don:sweat:I think they were all tiny people on that show. At least we have someone to dress as Santa's helper in the next Christmas party. ;)


Another thing is why does Pete dislike Kenny so much? Is it because of that time Layne made them share the same position from last season or does he see him as a threat?I figured it was because Ken had no role in helping create the new firm, Peter considers himself one of the partners and didn't like not being in the loop, he's Pete, and he seems to subscribe to the idea that three's a crowd when it comes to Account men.

[Space Cadet]

I must say, I enjoyed the scene where Peggy was able to stand up to the other guy by stripping down and showing who's boss. Don't mess with her.;)

[NightSpirit]

So was this episode basically supposed to be demonstrating how Roger is slowly becoming obsolete while Don is stepping into his shoes? Or at least that's how Roger perceives it? I was thinking that after remembering Peter's line to him last week about Lucky Strike.

[Wonderwall]

So was this episode basically supposed to be demonstrating how Roger is slowly becoming obsolete while Don is stepping into his shoes? Or at least that's how Roger perceives it? I was thinking that after remembering Peter's line to him last week about Lucky Strike.

I believe that was part of it. At least that was the impression I got from the way he was looking at Don at the end of the episode after they had their conversation.

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A new episode aired tonight at 10 PM Eastern.

Episode 4.07: "The Suitcase"


A rapidly approaching deadline causes consternation and throws things into a tizzy at the agency.

[Yojimbo]

LOL, a Peggy and Don episode. Probably the best pair up focus so far. And another Duck cameo!!

Roger's Gold Tape #4. :D:D

[Wonderwall]

Fun episode as Don starts to open up a little to Peggy. Sad to see Anna pass away even if we didn't actually see her die.

It's also fun to see that Don is not a fan of Broadway Joe or the Louisville Lip:D And yes Roger's tape is great.

[Yojimbo]

Fun episode as Don starts to open up a little to Peggy. Sad to see Anna pass away even if we didn't actually see her die.

It's also fun to see that Don is not a fan of Broadway Joe or the Louisville Lip:D And yes Roger's tape is great.It was pretty cool they referenced back to Peggy's pregnancy and caught Don up to speed, who had no idea her mom hated his guts.

Come to think of it, I wouldn't mind it if they had special features on the next boxset that are the full scenes of Roger recording those tapes.

[Wonderwall]

Come to think of it, I wouldn't mind it if they had special features on the next boxset that are the full scenes of Roger recording those tapes.

If it gives us more gems like "I always liked chocolate ice cream growing up but my mother always gave us vanilla as she said it wouldn't stain." then I'm all for it:p.

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Episode 4.08: "The Summer Man"


Peggy and Joan are forced to deal with some rambunctious office shenanigans.

[Yojimbo]

Finally. Got rid of Joey.

It was highly entertaining watching Don's relations get better just as Betty and Henry's suffers. They keep bringing up Betty's immaturity, but is she ever going to get better or should she?

Miss Blakenship, post-cataract surgery=comic gold.

Didn't expect to see Don cutting back on alcohol and exercising, though.

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Episode 4.09: "The Beautiful Girls"


Peggy receives a romantic gift that could jeopardize her career.

[Yojimbo]

Miss Blakenship!! :(

And it's either an emu or a moa, Cooper.

[Wonderwall]

Forgot to talk about last week's so I'll start there. Props to using 'Satisfaction' by the Stones. Don looked like a typical cool guy then but I read somewhere that he looked old fashioned, I think that song choice sort of established it. And yes I was happy to see Joey gone too, always bugged the hell out of me.

As for tonight's episode. Miss Blankenship dying was one of the funniest things I've seen on this show. From her just being dead, Peggy's reaction, Joan and the other women standing around her, Don, Kenny, and Faye looking at Pete and Joan trying to wheel her out, and of course poor Harry's quilt, "My mother made that!" This must be the yearly weird moment of the show, last year was the lawn mower, the year before that was the guy peeing his pants out of nowhere.

I expected Joan and Roger to have something again. Even if it was just one mistake after almost getting killed. But I assume that it can only lead to their old flame burning again.

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Episode 4.10: "Hands and Knees"


Betty is a bit unsettled when a surprise visitor stops at the Francis home.

[Wonderwall]

Sterling Cooper Draper Price...the fan has officially been hit. Losing Lucky Strike is a catastrophe and it's not surprising that Roger didn't say anything about it and pretended it's okay. Who knows maybe he can save it but seeing as he was looking through his rolodex I doubt it.

[Yojimbo]

Sterling Cooper Draper Price...the fan has officially been hit. Losing Lucky Strike is a catastrophe and it's not surprising that Roger didn't say anything about it and pretended it's okay. Who knows maybe he can save it but seeing as he was looking through his rolodex I doubt it.Yep, I suspect he'll be tearing a few more in half. :sad:

F-Bomb! That was unexpected. I sorta like the antagonism between Pete and Roger. Without Lucky Strike, Roger's lost his meal ticket among the partners, probably part of why he didn't say anything. But a lot can happen in 30 days.

The phone conversation between Don and Betty post-interview was my favorite part, when Don starts talking straight about nothing being wrong, as if the government was listening on the phone.

[Wonderwall]

F-Bomb! That was unexpected. I sorta like the antagonism between Pete and Roger.

Yea that was weird. Was that censored for everyone else as well? Kind of stinks that AMC can't get away with that.

For once I kind of felt bad for Pete. I mean he's come along way from the conniving little worm but to see him have to give up the account for Don and getting chewed out by Roger( talk about hypocrisy :p). His angry stare at Roger said it all. I also felt sad for Layne, getting beat up by his old man was a very sad sight.

[Yojimbo]

Yea that was weird. Was that censored for everyone else as well? Kind of stinks that AMC can't get away with that.

For once I kind of felt bad for Pete. I mean he's come along way from the conniving little worm but to see him have to give up the account for Don and getting chewed out by Roger( talk about hypocrisy :p). His angry stare at Roger said it all. I also felt sad for Layne, getting beat up by his old man was a very sad sight.In the DVD only, it seems. But yeah, I predict showdown between Roger and Pete within these last 3 episodes of the season.

Mm, it was a very 'rock bottom' episode for everyone (well, except Bert Cooper). It was rather interesting Lane gave into his father. Parallel with that last season when he obeyed St. John Powell and Ford at first, then defied them and started the new agency with the gang. Lane has come so far yet...

[Bat-Fan Beyond]

I never comment on this show, because it seems there's really no reason for criticism, debate, or speculation -- the series speaks for itself -- But I just want to voice my praise in this thread, because I absolutely love this series.

[cornprone]

Yea that was weird. Was that censored for everyone else as well? Kind of stinks that AMC can't get away with that.
This is very interesting to me because based on the Breaking Bad podcast, AMC has some interesting rules regarding adult language for its original series.

Now in Breaking Bad, they're allowed a certain allotment of s-words which seems to work out to about 1-2 per episode. Mad Men seems to be similar. AMC doesn't want its series to use the f-word at all, even it is censored (dropped). Now for the past 2 seasons, BB has gotten special dispensation to use the f-word once per season. Viewers of that series probably remember the 2 memorable scenes where it was used. So now it seems that Mad Men also gets its one f-word per season. Anyway, I have no real point to this rambling; I just thought it was interesting to track the levels of self-censorship that ad-supported cable channels apply.

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A new episode airs tonight at 10 PM Eastern.

Episode 4.11: "Chinese Wall"


An all-hands meeting is called for the employess of Sterling Cooper Draper Pryce, and the gossip starts to fly.

[Yojimbo]

You've got lipstick on your teeth. :D:p

Totally knew Megan and Don were going there but was surprised when Megan announced she wouldn't run out crying the next day (or throwing something at him, too?).

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Episode 4.12: "Blowing Smoke"


While trying to navigate a crisis, Don encounters an old friend.

[Wonderwall]

Well Don sure took an interesting way to maybe save the firm down the road. WIll it pay off? Maybe but it seems Bert isn't going to wait and find out. I'm gonna miss the old coot.

It was also nice to see Don do a few good deeds, you can make a case that his ad is a good thing even though it meant laying off half the staff but he also did other things like turn down a woman's affection for once and helping Pete out. He did owe him so I guess they're even.

Usually I don't agree with how Betty treats Sally but I really don't like that kid( Glen I think is his name ) and he doesn't seem like a good influence. Plus he's kinda gross:sweat:

[Yojimbo]

Well Don sure took an interesting way to maybe save the firm down the road. WIll it pay off? Maybe but it seems Bert isn't going to wait and find out. I'm gonna miss the old coot. Me, too. But he has been appearing less and less by seasons. The ad was interesting because they started a new firm but were sleeping with the same devils so to speak. One more episode, what could go wrong? :evil:


Usually I don't agree with how Betty treats Sally but I really don't like that kid (Glen I think is his name ) and he doesn't seem like a good influence. Plus he's kinda gross:sweat:But at the same time, I'm glad Glen was back because he was the last straw that made Betty finally decide on moving.

[Wonderwall]

With Bert seemingly gone do they now drop his name from the company? I know Don didn't want to early in the episode but do they have a choice now? Maybe they can officially call it Sterling Draper Pryce and Campbell:p.

Also something that I didn't go into was it was nice at first to see Midge...then it got incredibly sad when she's actually a hopeless junkie. The whole scene of Don trying to get out of there was really sad. The only other thing off the top of my head that was worse was when Don paid off his brother to get lost.

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The season finale airs tonight at 10 PM Eastern.

Episode 4.13: "Tomorrowland"


A surprising opportunity rears its head for both Don and Peggy.

[Yojimbo]

Huh. Not the season finale I expected. But Peggy and Cosgrove hooked it! I felt happy for Don but dreaded that seeing the scene with Dr. Miller. You definitely understand what's coming. Can't believe Carla got fired. Lame, Betty.

[Wonderwall]

Huh. Not the season finale I expected.

That's kind of my feeling towards the finale as well. Not that it was bad but after everything that happened this season it seemed odd that it ended like any other day.

But yea Don and Betty were very cold in this one even for them. Don gets Faye more or less fired last week, has cheated on her, didn't bother to even ask her to come with the kids, cheats on her again, falls in love with someone else and out of the blue proposes to her and then finally breaks up with her over the phone( and tells her its because of someone else and he's engaged ) after he called in everyone to congratulate them on his marriage.

Then Betty firing Carla was just awful. But given her behavior it wasn't unexpected but to not even give her a letter of recommendation? That's heartless and pointless. Luckily Henry chewed her out for it and probably helped Carla out as well. We haven't seen much from Henry but he's become a lot more likable than last season where he came off sort of mysterious. But when you're next to Betty it's easy to come off as likable I suppose.

So it seems Joan didn't go through with the abortion afterall. That or she's a cruel prankster but I don't think she is. I did like her little conversation with Peggy and pulled one out of Dangerfield's No respect book. I also enjoyed Roger not knowing who Megan was by her last name, typical Roger:p

[Yojimbo]

Then Betty firing Carla was just awful. But given her behavior it wasn't unexpected but to not even give her a letter of recommendation? That's heartless and pointless. Luckily Henry chewed her out for it and probably helped Carla out as well. We haven't seen much from Henry but he's become a lot more likable than last season where he came off sort of mysterious. But when you're next to Betty it's easy to come off as likable I suppose.I did like that symbology of Betty going to the house and laying down in her daughter's room, it really nails down her psyche, imo.


So it seems Joan didn't go through with the abortion afterall. That or she's a cruel prankster but I don't think she is. I did like her little conversation with Peggy and pulled one out of Dangerfield's No respect book. I also enjoyed Roger not knowing who Megan was by her last name, typical Roger:pHer convo with the hubby was pretty funny, too. "They're bigger."

Yeah, feels like the first time those two had a heartfelt moment, not so business formal, and it's over BS. Ha!

All in all, it's pretty neat how Peggy's lady friend is probably what saves the firm, just from bringing in the model for help.

[Bat-Fan Beyond]

Huh. Not the season finale I expected.

Me either.

I expected more of a cliffhanger. It almost seems like they should have had it end with either...

a) Don proposing to Megan
b) Don making his engagement announcement to the partners
c) Don calling and/or telling Faye Miller
d) Don and Betty kissing


I felt happy for Don but dreaded that seeing the scene with Dr. Miller. You definitely understand what's coming.

Me too. It's a shame, I liked her.

And, yeah, remember, she knows his secret. A woman scorned... :eek:

[Yojimbo]

Me either.

I expected more of a cliffhanger. It almost seems like they should have had it end with either...

Me too. It's a shame, I liked her.

And, yeah, remember, she knows his secret. A woman scorned... :eek:But then again, Don has a way with dumping blondes. And how do you top a finale that involved stealing your own stuff and opening your own firm? It was probably the most sensible to end on some sense of resolution.

Forgot about that. Hmm...