"WWE RAW" 7-19-10 Talkback (Spoilers)

[The Penguin]

If "money makes the world go 'round" then tonight, the WWE Universe revolves around The Miz, who took out Randy Orton and then climbed the ladder to claim the red briefcase. The current United States Champion has a year to cash in his WWE Title opportunity.

The Nexus made an appearance at Money in the Bank (http://www.toonzone.net/forums/showthread.php?t=270962) and forced both Sheamus and John Cena to fight them off in order to get down from the cage. Sheamus managed to get down and run through the crowd while Cena was still fighting them off, so he remains WWE Champion. The Harty Dynasty retained the Unified Tag Team Titles when they beat Jimmy & Jey Uso. Alicia Fox is also still the Divas Champion, defeating Eve.

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Monday, July 19, 2010 @ 9 p.m. ET/8 CT on USA Network

RAGE FROM THE CAGE
Revenge will certainly be on John Cena's mind as the robbed Superstar enters Monday Night Raw less than 24 hours after The Nexus cost him the WWE Title at Money in the Bank. What fallout will follow the shocking pay-per-view event?


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[hobbyfan]

From top to bottom:

Best match on the card is a curtain-jerker. What a shock. ;) :p :D

To have Edge & Jericho have at it again after, only to get swarmed on and destroyed by Nexus was a surprise. Even bigger is their being part of John Cena's all-star team at the end of the show. Personal issues have to be set aside. Have to believe that with Triple H on the DL, they brought back Bret Hart to fill the vacant slot.

Do people really hate Sheamus more than they hate Miz? Were those cheers I heard when Miz waffled Shea with the briefcase? Very surprised to see R-Truth return just two weeks after Mizizzle screwed him out of Money in the Bank. First thing that has to happen is Miz losing the US title before he cashes in the briefcase.

Only one e-mail message. I think they got a clue and realized they used this gimmick a wee bit too much already. No red herrings, either.

Watch. Eve vs. Maryse will be rematched next week, and it'll go the other way, even worse if Ted DiBiase buys off the ref. Money can't help you in 2010, Teddy boy. Maybe if you gave the ref a free copy of "The Marine 2".....!

Pity William Regal & Zack Ryder. They get the rent-a-jobber treatment vs. Kozlov & Santino. Whodathunk?

So much for Runjin Singh claiming Khali would run away from Nexus. Khali is on the all-star team when you might've expected Mark Henry. And who'd have believed that Wade Barrett would hit his barrel drop finisher on Henry. It was awkward, true, but it worked.

[Tanooki]

And who'd have believed that Wade Barrett would hit his barrel drop finisher on Henry. It was awkward, true, but it worked.Reminded me of Luger body slamming Yokozuna. Not as epic, but still pretty cool to see.

[Wonderwall]

Henry didn't make it easy for Wade by grabbing the rope but they just managed the spot without it looking too bad and killing anyone:p.

I actually thought tonight was pretty good. It had a lot of wrestling, the Triple Threat and the Sheamus/ Bourne matches were nice and mercifully we have one diva match that is like 30 seconds long. The Nexus stuff throughout the show was pretty good. But then we get to the end..

Now I thought it was all fine up until Cena came back. I didn't like his line of getting a team together since day 1 as that sounds stupid, contradictory, and unlikely seeing as for a month Nexus has bee doing whatever they want with the locker room constantly looking like they couldn't get a long. Also the team selection.

I have no problem with Jericho and Edge ( I thought they could have teased it more ) but the other selections are head scratch worthy. Khali? really? John Morrison and R-Truth seem odd as they're in the middle of what looked to be feuds with Miz and Ted( guess that's out the window ) and of course..Bret Hart. Now I like Bret but really he shouldn't be here any more and what's he going to do? He can't wrestle anymore unless a heavily scripted match and a 14 man tag match isn't that type of match. Plus with John and Truth here that gets rid of 2 potential matches at SummerSlam and I think Bourne and Henry would have been better selections.

I just thought that ending could have been booked better and more natural.

[Spike Mcdougal]

Reminded me of Luger body slamming Yokozuna. Not as epic, but still pretty cool to see.

*Channels Bobby "The Brain" Heenan*

THAT WASN'T A BODYSLAM IT WAS A HIPLOCK!!!!!

Ahem....

Was I the only one who thought the final team member was going to be Daniel Bryan I mean granted the heat's probably still on but this would have been the perfect opportunity to bring him back

[Wonderwall]

Was I the only one who thought the final team member was going to be Daniel Bryan I mean granted the heat's probably still on but this would have been the perfect opportunity to bring him back

I actually thought it was going to be Triple H even though I knew he is still out. And for a second I thought it might have been Shawn Michaels...I was getting closer:sweat:

[hobbyfan]

Let's break it down.

The word was that Triple H was to return and battle Sheamus for the title. That spot went to Randy Orton when Hunter went on the DL. If he wasn't going to be able to work a full singles match, a 7-on-7 tag would've been the perfect gateway for his return, then. Not happening. When Edge & Cena parted the aisle, any other time, you'd have heard "The Game".

As for Daniel Bryan, I think they're waiting until after Summerslam to bring him back, if at all possible, but not on Raw. NBC-Universal doesn't want him back right away, I think we can safely assume that much.

HBK is retired, and would rather stay that way, I think. The only way they hot-shot him back into the mix is if someone like R-Truth can't go after all, and they need someone Nexus won't expect.

As for the bigger picture Wade Barrett keeps talking about, I'd not be surprised if the writers wimp out and write DiBiase into the mix.

[Mesousa]

Cashing the MITB = you get MEGA OVER.

[Ioz]

Were those cheers I heard when Miz waffled Shea with the briefcase? A lot of people like witnessing history in person and a big title change.


Before the end part of Raw, I was thinking Summerslam might have R-Truth vs. Miz, Morrison vs. DiBiase, and Jericho vs. Edge or Bourne...so much for that. I was hoping for Daniel Bryan at the end, so I was a little disappointed when it was Bret Hart.

[Superness26]

Cena's team is great! Pretty awesome that Bret is there.

[Azrayel]

Bret Hart, what a way to end a pretty good team. Bret Hart can't wrestle anymore and should just go away already. I was kinda hoping the last member the way Cena was trying to announce it would be Triple H, but hey The Great Khali is there, when was the last time he was on a ppv?

Raw a couple of days ago had its up and down, but how many times do we have to see Evan Bourne lose to Sheamus?

[Wonderwall]

Raw a couple of days ago had its up and down, but how many times do we have to see Evan Bourne lose to Sheamus?

I don't have a problem with Evan losing to Sheamus if he looks good losing, which he did. And I'd rather have him job to top guys instead of the low card guys he was jobbing to until recently. Still I had hoped he would've been on Cena's team instead of Hart, Khali, and Truth. They could always change members but they don't have that cool moment of being lined up with the team first being formed.

[KJ Styles]

Bret Hart, what a way to end a pretty good team. Bret Hart can't wrestle anymore and should just go away already. I was kinda hoping the last member the way Cena was trying to announce it would be Triple H, but hey The Great Khali is there, when was the last time he was on a ppv?


Bret is on the team because of what Nexus did to him. Chances are, he probably won't do much (if anything) other than maybe slap the Sharpshooter on one of them to win the match for his team, Triple H just had surgery so I knew it wasn't gonna be him. I did think it was gonna be Bryan Danielson though but I can understand why it wasn't.

As for Khali, I'm not a fan of his but he serves his purpose on the team. Either he ends up joining Nexus, or he gives him that big body that's tough for Nexus to deal with. I agree that Mark Henry should have been on the team instead though. I was really shocked that Evan Bourne wasn't named to the team, especially given how much Cena has been lobbying for him to get pushed. My guess is that he'll be challenging (and defeating) The Miz for the US title at Summerslam.

This match is interesting not so much because of the people involved, but because of the storyline behind it. Maybe we'll find out once and for all who's really pulling the strings behind Nexus. I'm looking forward to it.

[The Penguin]

Ready with my RAW thoughts now, so I'll have to jump back to Money in the Bank...

When you have one face and two heels battling to challenge a heel champion, who the easy money is on is obvious and that was what we got in the excellent kick-off with Orton besting Edge and Jericho with two RKOs. The biggest event this side of WrestleMania is not usually a time to do heel-heel.

Edge and Jericho clearly didn’t know what they were getting into when they started arguing. They were looking to get into it with each other, but then both had to invoke the Nexus and there is only one way that turns out.

I liked the Barrett interview with Josh tepidly approaching the Nexus leader to see if he could ask some questions without getting beaten up. It was pretty bold of Sheamus to show up there, but smart of him to stay in the hallway.

I guess Teddy will have to buy Maryse another match, because regardless of whether or not it was fair, that goes down in the record books as a win for Eve. That was a pretty poor Starship Pain from Morrison. I really like him, but that move is getting messy—it was more like a head-butt in this particular instance.

Miz interrupting Sheamus was a good combo in-ring segment. Carrying the briefcase is around is what is going to move Miz all the way to the top of the card (not Michael Cole crushing on him). Evan Bourne was obviously not expecting the match as it took forever for him to get to the ring and then he wasn’t fully dressed.

There comes a point where Evan Bourne losing to the top of the card becomes no better than his beating the lower-mid/mid card. I don’t know that we’re there yet, but I don’t much like these losses to guys like Sheamus. I thought The Miz was actually going to do it. I was shocked, but it seemed like it was going to happen—then R-Truth came back earlier than anyone, especially Miz, expected.

Miz’s angry interview after Truth almost assuredly cost him the WWE Championship was literally awesome. Miz has shown he is entertaining since his arrival, and (I’ve said this before) now he is showing he is someone to be taken seriously. There is no way he will be the first to fail to successfully cash in the contract.

Ah, the “Highway to Hell.” Those were good times.

I liked Orton confronting Sheamus backstage after The Celtic Warrior’s ‘near-reign-ending experience.’ Getting the Viper in front of the Champion immediately got this feud moving as at least Orton is in a much different place than he was in January.

William Regal had better hope Ezekiel Jackson comes back soon as no one else he’s found has been able to help him gain revenge against Kozlov & Santino.

He barely got him up and down, but that was still an impressive show of strength by Wade Barrett in the ring with Mark Henry. The Nexus followed the letter of “banned from ringside” rule, but not the spirit.

After his earlier interview on the Tron, it was tough to know exactly what Cena was going to do when he got in the ring with Nexus. You knew he wasn’t going to join them, but it tough to predict what would happen.

Cena leading a team against the entire Nexus seems less compelling than a one-on-one match with Barrett, but perhaps we will see that in another month. It’s kind of exciting to see Bret Hart come back on the team, but knowing he can’t really wrestling anymore, I get nervous every time he is officially in the ring. I just trust that Bret knows what he is doing. The thing I find most interesting about the team is who is on it and who is not, specially R-Truth’s inclusion and Evan Bourne’s exclusion. After what happened earlier in the night, I would have expected Truth to face Miz and I just generally; I would have expected Bourne to be on the team. I now have my fingers crossed that Evan will face Miz and Miz is on the course to not need that U.S. Title anymore. :D



As for Daniel Bryan, I think they're waiting until after Summerslam to bring him back, if at all possible, but not on Raw. NBC-Universal doesn't want him back right away, I think we can safely assume that much.If we're putting it on NBC-Universal now, there won't be too much time before WWE rosters are under that umbrella as SmackDown moves to NBC-Universal channel Syfy in October.

[Azrayel]

Bret is on the team because of what Nexus did to him. Yeah I know that but we could have had someone better than him like Evan bourne or Yoshi Tatsu who have also been a target of the Nexus.

[hobbyfan]

If we're putting it on NBC-Universal now, there won't be too much time before WWE rosters are under that umbrella as SmackDown moves to NBC-Universal channel Syfy in October.

The last word I'd read was that it was someone at NBC-U that whined about Bryan. By October, there should be enough time elapsed that would allow for him to return, with everyone understanding what should & shouldn't be done.

[KJ Styles]

Yeah I know that but we could have had someone better than him like Evan bourne or Yoshi Tatsu who have also been a target of the Nexus.

Bourne will challenge the Miz for the US title at SummerSlam, and Tatsu isn't over enough to warrant being on the team. That said, I wouldn't have minded him taking Khali's spot, but he doesn't deserve to take Bret's at all. Bret may not be able to do the things he used to, but he deserves the chance to avenge what those scrubs did to him.

[cnfan91]

I'm really hoping WWE can fill in the blanks in the next few weeks about who the Nexus "real" leader is and who the anonymous GM is. WWE gets more confusing each week.

I agree that Yoshi Tatsu would be a great replacement for Khali. Khali has no place or no reason to be on the team because Nexus hasn't attacked him. The Nexus storyline has gotten stale. At this point the Nexus is just a watered-down NWO. At least the NWO members each had their own personality. With the Nexus, only Wade Barrett really talks and has a personality, the rest of the them are all the same and aren't different from each other.

The best match on RAW was the opening triple threat match. I was really hoping Edge or Jericho would win because it seems like Cena and Orton are the only guys that get a lot of title shots.

Overall RAW was decent. Hopefully though WWE can make things clearer on RAW because it's just a bunch of loose end storylines right now.

[KJ Styles]

I'm really hoping WWE can fill in the blanks in the next few weeks about who the Nexus "real" leader is and who the anonymous GM is. WWE gets more confusing each week.

I agree that Yoshi Tatsu would be a great replacement for Khali. Khali has no place or no reason to be on the team because Nexus hasn't attacked him. The Nexus storyline has gotten stale. At this point the Nexus is just a watered-down NWO. At least the NWO members each had their own personality. With the Nexus, only Wade Barrett really talks and has a personality, the rest of the them are all the same and aren't different from each other.

Yeah I agree with all of that. Nexus do come off as NWO wanna-bees and they did have their own personalities. David Otunga is the only other one besides Barrett that really has a personality, but that's negated by the fact that he sucks in the ring.

These guys are way too green to be feuding with main eventers. Nothing wrong with pushing new talent, but these guys have a LONG way to go. I remember when Barrett fought Cena a few months ago on RAW, and that match went less than 5 minutes and Cena carried him (and when you have to be carried by Cena, that's pretty sad). It just goes to show you just how thin the WWE roster is when these guys are thrown into the limelight.