The Corruption of American Children Talkback [Archive]

SonGoku V3

03-28-2002, 09:46 PM

This special is pretty interesting, and I agree with Bill O'Reily on a lot of points, but my question is where are the parents in all of this? Rap music, rock music, and television shows aren't corrupting the American child and society by itself. They just showed Linda McMahon from the WWF say that 2 year olds watch wrestling WITH their parents! So if those children become corrupted, then it should be known that the parents could have prevented it. Another thing that struck me tonight was the segment on rap music. I liked the interview with Russel Simmons, and I liked how O'Reiley pointed out that 63% of African American fourth graders can't read, yet some of the stuff they listen to is rap music. Now, I agree with Simmons that they listen to this stuff because they can relate to it, but I also side with O'Reiley that this music isn't going to help them out of poverty and help them learn how to read. The Insane Clown Posse just made fools of themselves and I don't even want to comment on them. Over all, I don't think the Special is blaming the media for anything, I just think that it's showing the America what's really out there, and that it can corrupt children. Now some would probably ask, "where are the parents at and why aren't they taking their responsibility?" The sad thing is that for some children, parents aren't there to take that responsibility.

Calhoun07

03-28-2002, 10:07 PM

While I do think some of those "entertainers" on the special should be more careful (Insane Clown Posse especially. I don't find them entertaining at all, either), I also do agree with the final points raised on how parents need to stop trying to be buddies with their kids and be more willing to draw the line when it comes to this stuff. Every time Bill tried to point the finger at the "entertainers" and the "enertainers" fired back that they are not responsible for who might watch their stuff or hear it and questioned the parents, I sided with the "entertainers." I also agree that the kids who gravitate towards those types of things are already that way, so that's why they gravitate towards that kind of entertainment.

Heehaw

03-28-2002, 10:09 PM

I thought it was an interesting program, though being a regular view of the The Factor, I've seen the majority of the material before. Yes, ICP made fools of themselves. You should have seen the entire interview when it was new. They are truly "clowns". I am a pretty big Marilyn Manson fan, but it hasn't corrupted me, one bit. I listen to it more for the sound, than the words. I'm well outside the targeted age demographic, as well. I like O'Reilly's style better during his live show and am not too big of a fan of his pre-recorded delivery. He comes off a bit preachy, though some would say he does all the time.

Chris Sanders MSX

03-28-2002, 10:22 PM

This thing was mostly one sided.. My favorite part was when he called grinding "booty dancing". I don't see how that can "corrupt" youth.

That kind of dancing is mostly what I do at parties, I LOVE rock, I LOVE rap, I like wrestling, I've seen porn on the net...etc. And I'm almsot a model citizen. Want to know why ? Because my parents instilled values and morals in me, so that i can have control over my actions.. seeing something doesn't make me want to go and do it. And doing some activities such as "grinding" won't make me go out and just start having sex and such.. Because I know it's just dancing and nothing more.

Seriously what do they think our generation is full of ? Mindless idiots who see stuff on Tv or at the movies and all of a sudden decide "I'm going to do ALL of this !" ... The only people who would are the one's whose parents didn't teach them correctly and are to some degree stupid. For example the guy who got injured imitating wrestling.. Why would you do something that was just designed to hurt another person ? Or in his case why would you let someone do it to you ? Odds are if the guy on TV, (the annoucer) just said outloud " That one had to hurt" that just maybe you shouldn't try it.

I'm not going to address any of the other stuff. This show was very one sided and edited slickly. Notice how when someone other than Bill made a good point, Bill either wouldn't respond and would end the interview or they'd cut away. And that crap about American Pie..Don't make me laugh. Showing a bunch of shots of 12 and 15 year olds saying therea ges doesn't mean anything.. how about showing some people of the 17 and older age saying there age ?

American Pie 1 and 2 were both films directed at 17 and older crowds.. Of course 12 through 15 year olds want to see it.. Because it's not for them. What ever they tell you not to watch or what your not suposed to view is what you want to see more.

Remember when we were kids and they said no Beavis and Butt-Head ? And how bad this made you want to see it ? Yeah same thing. There's no other way to market the film. I don't need to go on. You get my point. This was a well made peice but it's claim of being fair/equal is anything but.

LightAngel

03-28-2002, 10:30 PM

I managed to catch a glimpse of this. Although often disturbing, O'Riley had a lot of good points. The most thought provoking part was when they had that guy(I'm not sure who he represented in the movie industry), was all tongue tied when he couldn't think of an excuse to O'Riley's statement that R rated movies are marketed to teenagers. The guy actually claimed that 12 year olds weren't watching these movies, then they interviewed 12 year olds who had just come from seeing these movies. The entire special made me cringe at what is happening to our youth.

Chris Sanders MSX

03-28-2002, 10:32 PM

I love reading intelligent posts. This is one of my favorites. Well Said.

Thanks. Um I don't know what to say so I'll say thanks again.
This kinda made my day.

Calhoun07

03-28-2002, 10:41 PM

Seriously what do they think our generation is full of ? Mindless idiots who see stuff on Tv or at the movies and all of a sudden decide "I'm going to do ALL of this !"

I am sure that is not the case, but when you see all these law suits pop up of parents suing people in the entertainment industry it's no wonder the reaction is the way it is.

When I was a kid and if I did something stupid that I saw on TV (tho I never did anything that actually hurt me. I actually heeded those don't try this at home warnings), my mom wouldn't have gone off and sued the entertainment company that made the show but would have reminded me what a dumb ass I was and let me learn from my mistake. And that's the way it should be!

Failure

03-28-2002, 10:56 PM

It's all about passing the buck. No one wants to take responsibility any more. I mean if the entertainers accepted the argument that they were corrupting kids, then it would lead to govt. intervention, etc which would compromise and complicate their future work. If the parents accepted the argument that they weren't doing enough, then they would come to the harsh realization that good parent requires a tremendous amount of work.

As to what effects what, in my experience, entertainment does have some effects on behavior, but in the end, if a kid has good parents, their teachings are going to predominate.

Calhoun07

03-28-2002, 11:12 PM

I still maintain that while the media may play a role in how kids act, it's ultimately the kid who is screwed. And the same goes for adults who use the excuse they saw it on TV. Seriously, if you see a murder or a incredibly painful act performed on TV and you think that makes it ok for you to do it, you were screwed up in the head WAY before that show ever aired. And millions of other viewers can watch that same murder or whatever and not have the slightest inclination to go out and murder somebody.

As much as I think that one nambla web site should truly be out lawed, they did not provoke those men in Boston to do what they did to that kid. Those men had a problem even before they ever logged on to the Internet. Sure, nambla may not help that problem, and porn sites may not help problems either, and I am not saying I am for either of them, but in the end, those people who get into that are responsible for their own actions.

Chris Sanders MSX

03-28-2002, 11:24 PM

That Kids parents are the ones that screwed up. Why don't they know who there child is talking to, especially with him being so young, how come they didn't teach him not to go any where with strangers or anyone they meet on the net, where were the restrictions on the computer, how'd he get to even meet up with the kid ?

There's so much that could of been prevented if they parents had told this kid BASIC COMMON SENSE. And you are right Calhoun the kid is screwed up anyway if he wasn't taught any better at this point in his life.. and who screwed him ? Not Tv, not videogames, not music.. his parents .

JTurner954

03-28-2002, 11:39 PM

I saw clips of it earlier as well.

There is one thing that has been bugging me: If people are still complaining about TV shows and movies, then what is the purpose of rating them?? Doesn't TV-PG, TV-14, or TV-MA prove that the content isn't suitable for a specific audience?? Isn't the purpose of ratings to defend companies against false advertising??

How about this: Why was the V-Chip invented?? How about the invention of the On/Off switch?? The Channel Up, Channel Down switch??

I am extremely upset that people are complaining with the same reasons even though precautions have already been put into effect to block out "offensive material".

Calhoun07

03-28-2002, 11:40 PM

What about kids who get kidnapped against their will? I mean, some times things that happen to kids happen to kids with parents who taught them to stay away from strangers and all that.

Chris Sanders MSX

03-28-2002, 11:43 PM

That's different, the case that other kid had the kid doing all this on his own... No one forced this kid to go with the man or even to chat with him online or give out his personal info.

With someone doing something to a child against there will is a different argument.

Heehaw

03-28-2002, 11:53 PM

That kind of dancing is mostly what I do at parties, I LOVE rock, I LOVE rap, I like wrestling, I've seen porn on the net...etc. And I'm almsot a model citizen. Want to know why ? Because my parents instilled values and morals in me, so that i can have control over my actions.. seeing something doesn't make me want to go and do it. And doing some activities such as "grinding" won't make me go out and just start having sex and such.. Because I know it's just dancing and nothing more.

You fall outside of the focus of the TV special. O'Reilly is concerned for the kids that don't have the parent(s) to instill those values. The fact that your parents taught you well is why the "bad" things don't affect you like some others. As for O'Reilly's objection to the grinding, well he just doesn't like the fact that "youngsters" are involved in what seems to be a suggestive gesture.

Alot of it is just rotten apples. Some people are just messed up from the get go. No matter what they see or hear, they will eventually lose it and do something stupid or horrible.

Trent Lane

03-29-2002, 12:33 AM

I unfortunately didn't get to see this special, but O'Reilly's one of my favorites... and it shouldn't be a surprise that this aired on FOX, there news network is one of the more conservative networks around. I agree with a lot of what he says, and I know he's mentioned before that some of the blame rests on the parents. My parents guarded me from a lot of things. At the time, I hated it and thought it was stupid. But now that I've matured a bit, I'm glad they did it. And I'll most likely be the same if I have kids sometime down the road. There's so much crap out there today you can't help but weep for the future. Just take a look at MTV for an hour- the rap videos alone would corrupt a child in under a minute... not to mention the pop, some rock, and the rest might also have the same affect...

JTurner954

03-29-2002, 12:37 AM

I was just wondering if anyone read my comments to my previous post. I'd like to hear what you think.

Andy Mancini

03-29-2002, 02:09 AM

My local Fox affiliate also showed "total Recall" instead of O'Reilly tonight, so I missed it too. I have, however, heard O'Reilly's views on this topic, and have seen the Russel Simmons interview, I can still comment.

Although I see where he is coming from, and I do enjoy his program, I think he's way off base here. Let's face it: The Insane Clown Posse, Marylin Manson, the WWF, and all of the rest, IS NOT FOR CHILDREN. Get it? NOT FOR CHILDREN. It's not my fault if some little kid that I don't know is in to this stuff. If I want to go see an ICP concert, buy a Manson CD, or order a WWF pay-per-view, it's my business. Why does my enjoyment have to be ruined by a handful of parents who can't raise their kids? I've heard O'Reilly go on about "the good ol' days", where TV was harmless and the whole family can go and enjoy a Beach Boys concert. Well, guess what? That kind of stuff is still around. Parents just have to put in the effort (that's the magic word here kids, EFFORT) to find it. It's because my parents put this kind of effort into my brother and myself is why we enjoy and understand a broad range of entertainment. Take my CD collection for example.

Okay, I'll admit it. I have some "hardcore" tastes in music. I have Rammstein, Rob Zombie and System of a Down albums all on my shelf. I have my Vans Warped Tour tickets pre-ordered and ready to go. Does this mean I'm evil? Is all of that hardcore and punk music is making "go rotten" somehow? Heck, Rammstein is all in German. Is it telling me to rebel against the forces of good in a language I don't understand?

Located on the same shelf as the afformentioned CDs are my They Might Be Giants, Billy Joel, and John Mayer discs and my Dave Matthews Band Tickets. Wait. That doesn't make sense. Why would a "no good punk" be listening to that "wussy" stuff like John Mayer? See, just because I like loud, angry music sometimes doesn't mean that I'm going all "Clockwork Orange" on everyone and beat people for fun. Nor does it mean that I am a mindless robot that buys loud music to a part of the "in crowd". These censor Nazis have to realize that.

Why can I enjoy this wide range of stuff now? It's because my parents taught my brother and myself properly about society and the popular culture when we were younger. Now that we are older, we can enjoy whatever we want without the baggage of taking it seriously. Heck, I wasn't allowed to watch MTV until I was 13. I bet a lot of concerned parents out there do things similar to this. It's all up to the parents. I know O'Reilly says this, but he then points the finger at the entertainers, which ruins his whole point. The parents that are usually for censorship are the ones who didn't teach their kids well enough in the first place.

In short, O'reilly comes off to me as Tipper Gore and the PMRC crowd from the '80's, and all those priests from the '50's who said that "Rock 'n Roll is the devil's music". I do agree with him on a lot of issues, and I am a registered Republican, but he, and the GOP for that matter, is off base on this "decentcy in entertainment" issue. The only people who should be doing the censoring are the parents. (Sorry, but the whole "censorship topic really angers me.)

PS: There is a rumor floating around some of the wrestling pages that the Linda McMahon interview was heavily edited. According to the rumor, the same thing happened in a Mick Foley "20/20" segment a couple of years ago.

Nightwing

03-29-2002, 03:34 AM

Originally posted by Heehaw
Alot of it is just rotten apples. Some people are just messed up from the get go. No matter what they see or hear, they will eventually lose it and do something stupid or horrible.

I held this opinion right after I saw the special, but I second guessed it. Getting into heredity or genetics vs. free will is as controversial a subject as this pop culture debate. So my opinion is this:

To keep life simple and avoid migrane prone areas with no answers, I completely disregarded the entire special. Do I agree with his arguments? Eh....in a way, but I don't like how he's using them. I mean, what's the solution? Parents are the answer, but he's asking what about those with no guidance? Get them guidance! If there isn't any at all, do it yourself! For the good of our planet's future I sure would.

It was almost as if he wanted to argue a fact (which is already well known) that doesn't really have a concrete answer, and that being the reason it's being argued.

With the exception of that disgusting and clearly unconstitutional Nambla junk, porn sites aren't trying to attract kids. They don't care. Site hits are site hits. They're open minded, those little search engine tricks are for EVERYONE to fall for.

And another part that gives me the gist of a catch 22 situation with his statements is about rap and censorship. He doesn't advocate censorship, but still puts down rap. You don't like it, but you don't want it censored? The solution to that is going to take years of human evolution (all human beings in a social utopia where there isn't any negative thought whatsoever), so for now I suggest being a more involved understanding parent, friend, and above all, human being.

-You want people to eventually evolve their thinking away
from liking crap like the Insane Clown Possy or whatever,
then number one: join the club :p and two: teach those
kids.

Heehaw

03-29-2002, 03:40 AM

Wrestling is most certainly aimed at children, the majority of the audience are minors.. There are dozens upon dozens of toys at any department or toy store just waiting for them, not to mention all of the other assorted products from videogames to posters, school supplies, etc. I know that when I was young I watched it. Today, I can't stand it. It's alot more violent and suggestive these days. I know 15 years ago there was little or no sexual innuendo involved. I don't dislike it for those factors, I think it is plain fake and ridiculous, though I do find myself laughing out loud at the "Backyard Wrestling" commercials. Those dopes deserve their injuries.

The same goes for the bands mentioned in the special. The people that buy the CDs are minors. The biggest chunk of it anyway.

Movies like American Pie are also targeted at the early to mid teen crowd. How do you think the movie made so much money? Few R rated sex comedies make the scratch that that film made. When it was in theaters, the owners were very lax about enforcing minor admittance. By the time American Pie 2 came out, a fairly large uproar, within the industry, had been made and there was alot more enforcement; thus the movie had a much lower take because fewer minors could get in. This applies to other R-rated movies, esp. comedies.

And another part that gives me the gist of a catch 22 situation with his statements is about rap and censorship. He doesn't advocate censorship, but still puts down rap. You don't like it, but you don't want it censored?

No, he doesn't like it nor does he want to take it away. He wants the rappers and music executives to take some responsibility and not target minors, esp. since it involves such coarse subject matter. Twelve year olds don't need to hear that. I believe that alot of the rappers are like "shock rockers" and are simply trying push people's buttons for the sake of doing so which is an empty gesture as far as I'm concerned. Yes, I'm sure alot of it is based on their real life experiences, but come on now, it gets a little hard to swallow when we all know they are counting their millions and their cars. MTVs Cribs is an eye-opener where that is concerned.

With the exception of that disgusting and clearly unconstitutional Nambla junk, porn sites aren't trying to attract kids. They don't care. Site hits are site hits. They're open minded, those little search engine tricks are for EVERYONE to fall for

Of course some of them are targeting minors. Why use names of popular cartoon characters for the "tricks" if the reason was not to attract them? Yeah site hits are site hits but intentionally baiting the trap for kids is sick and wrong.

Also, O'Reilly isn't a Republican or a Conservative. He's a moderate and an Independent and is likely to go either way on different issues. He comes off as more conservative since alot of his peers are very much Left. Same goes for his network. Of course it's more Conservative, but it isn't Conservative, just closer to it. Enough politics.

DR. BELCH

03-29-2002, 12:34 PM

I went into this thread thinking for some reason it'd be about the child-molesting priests in the Catholic Church. You want to corrupt folks? Never mind South Park, Jackass stunts, and all the Porky's movies and their knockoffs...turn on the news. Listen to the radio. Watch what goes on in the real world. A week I've been hearing about this scandal, and it's really not doing me any good. That'll either depress you or warp you, however well-calibrated one's moral compass is....

Memphis Bleek

03-29-2002, 01:19 PM

When I first heard about this special I thought I would be typically conservative crap and it was to a certain extent. O'Reilly made some good points. Some tv programs and music aren't made for childrens. Like Roger Ebert said if your are a 30 old male college graduate with a girlfriend or wife or both and you are getting laid on a regular basis American Pie or Gone in Sixty Seconds wasn't made for you. It was made for an audience between the age of 12 - 19. This age seems to like the same thing done over and over again. As for the WWF, it does as about as much as Howard Stern does on his show, but WWF breaks the norm so it gets attack. O'Reilly went on to attack rappers who flaunt their money, cars, violent life, and women. Some rappers do talk about this all the time, but their are plenty of rappers that don't talk about this and try to help and educate the community like The Roots, Mos Def, Common, and Lauryn Hill just to name a few. My problems is why does everything in the US have to be made for children or childproofed. Parents and Entertainers should both take responibiltiy. Entertainers should say that this program or movie is not intended for children and they should stop advertising to them. Parents should teach their children the difference between reality and fantasy. I heard some guy say this before why does Society have to base around the dumbest people. The boy who eat to many paint chip can't have kid when he becomes an adult. The kid who jumps off a roof trying to mimic a wrestling moves hurt himself and lessen his of reproducing. The guy went on to say that it is the law of Natural Selection. The survival of the fittest (the strongest and the smartest). I think the problem is in America you can't be stupid or crazy anymore. There is always some other reason for doing something stupid other than being stupid or crazy.

Nightwing

03-29-2002, 06:27 PM

Props to Memphis Bleek on a very well said post. In fact in all my petty complaints, I think I failed to realize that's most likely what got me throwing dirt like that in the first place. He didn't have any of the artists on the show that try to do some GOOD in the field.

And frankly Eminem is a terrible example of a rap artist, IMO. He only creates that controversy so he can make money. He wouldn't know an indepth level headed political or social argument if one bit him.

JTurner954

03-29-2002, 08:27 PM

Hey, I'd appreciate it if you guys would read my post and respond.

Calhoun07

03-29-2002, 08:37 PM

Originally posted by JTurner954
I saw clips of it earlier as well.

There is one thing that has been bugging me: If people are still complaining about TV shows and movies, then what is the purpose of rating them?? Doesn't TV-PG, TV-14, or TV-MA prove that the content isn't suitable for a specific audience?? Isn't the purpose of ratings to defend companies against false advertising??

How about this: Why was the V-Chip invented?? How about the invention of the On/Off switch?? The Channel Up, Channel Down switch??

I am extremely upset that people are complaining with the same reasons even though precautions have already been put into effect to block out "offensive material".

If a reply means that much to you....

I think you missed a point that may not have been in those clips you saw, and that is Bill O'Reilly is addressing the entertainers to be more responsible because there are irresponsible parents out there. Those tools are virtually useless in the hands of irresponsible parents.

JTurner954

03-29-2002, 08:48 PM

Maybe you can answer my question then: What is the point of TV ratings??

I assumed that it keeps entertainers (and networks) from getting yelled at since the rating shows that it is either for or against viewing of a specific audience and the parents know what they are getting into. It would be as if someone sued FOX because they didn't expect to see graphic scenes in "World's Wildest Police Videos". Wouldn't the mere rating of a TV-14 (not sure if that is the correct rating) clear the show from any wrong doing?? I would really like to understand what's going on.

John-Paul

03-29-2002, 09:09 PM

I turned it off after Manson.That damn insane clown posse scares me to death! I switched to Oh Drama! on BET (What the HELL is this show? LOL!)

Nightwing

03-29-2002, 09:15 PM

Originally posted by JTurner954
Maybe you can answer my question then: What is the point of TV ratings??

I assumed that it keeps entertainers (and networks) from getting yelled at since the rating shows that it is either for or against viewing of a specific audience and the parents know what they are getting into. It would be as if someone sued FOX because they didn't expect to see graphic scenes in "World's Wildest Police Videos". Wouldn't the mere rating of a TV-14 (not sure if that is the correct rating) clear the show from any wrong doing?? I would really like to understand what's going on.

I assume that's the point as well, really. But not where parents use the ratings as a direct how-to manual for what their kids can and can not see. Like, oh you can't watch that until you're 14. I think it's pretty much about this: The older they are, the more likely it is that they've been educated by their parents, in terms of violence and the like.

But yeah, IMO I think you're pretty much right. The only reason for the ratings crap is so the producers get number 2 of their 2 motivations fulfilled.

1 - get ratings high
2 - do NOT get sued!!

Heehaw

03-29-2002, 09:15 PM

Entertainers should say that this program or movie is not intended for children and they should stop advertising to them.

Exactly what O'Reilly wants. His basic theme is that NOBODY takes responsiblity anymore for anything. There seems to be an excuse for every frickin' thing these days. Personal responsibility is a dead art, it seems. Scapegoats are the easy way out.

He's not after the rappers that try to educate, like Lauryn Hill, he's after the hardcore niche.

Oh, and he's no conservative as someone pointed out. Don't know where people get that from.

Calhoun07

03-29-2002, 09:16 PM

In my opinion? I feel much of it is a result of the Clinton/Gore administration. After all, Tipper Gore was quite active to get the PMRC going. I do feel much of it was political. Of course, the PR response is it helps parents be responsible when they set the parental controls on their TV to block that stuff out. But I personally am against ratings on TV, because I don't think the government should dictate to us what is ok to watch and what isn't. But that's just me. These views are not necessairly of Toon Zone and their affiliates, nor are they intended to put down anybody's political views.

JTurner954

03-29-2002, 10:27 PM

See, I figured that the TV ratings would reduce complaints, not increase them.

Calhoun07

03-29-2002, 11:38 PM

People are never happy. Complaints made the movie ratings system a joke and made PG-13 and NC-17 ratings a requirement. And some people just want to complain

Lucky Bob

03-29-2002, 11:47 PM

Originally posted by Calhoun07
People are never happy. Complaints made the movie ratings system a joke and made PG-13 and NC-17 ratings a requirement. And some people just want to complain

I tell ya what's a joke, the things that actually get a PG rating nowadays. Wouldn't take my dog to see most of them, and I haven't even got a dog!

spyke

03-30-2002, 01:29 AM

The way I see it is that if a parent allows a child (12 and under) to watch,read,or listen to a tv/movie, book/comic book, or music that is labled for teens and adults, then it's the parents fault if their kds act out what they saw,read,or hear. On the other hand, if an entertainment company puts out or claim to put out material that is suitable for kids or people of all ages that contains graphic violence, graphic/adult language,or strong sexual inuendos/situations, then it is the entertainment companies fault. All you have to do is look at Pg rated movies likes transformers: the movie (spyke saying oh [expletive]),tv shows like enterprise (words/phrases such as bastard,ass,and son of a [expletive] are often used),and marvel comics like new x-men (jean calling emma a [expletive], wolverine saying "ass" and "[expletive]") to see examples of inapropiate material for stuff that is aimed at for kids or an all ages audience.

As for the whole rap thing, like someone posted earlier, there are a lot of possative rappers/hip hop artists out there. The problem is that a lot of the possitive rappers are dismissed or ignored by the record execs who only want negative rap records made, because they sell a lot of records. There have been cases in which possitive rappers had to change their style in order to get a record deal. People tend to forget that rap was invented by New York street gangs as a way to settle their differences in a non-violent and peaceful manner. I'm tired, peace.

Heehaw

03-30-2002, 03:18 PM

A certain amount of profanity is allowed with PG films. The "F" word can be used once and still maintain a Pg-13, though I know I have seen some PG-13 stuff that uses it 2 or 3 times.

I have no problems with the two uses of language from the Transformers movie. It's PG which spells out that it may contain some inappropriate material. Fair warning. Nobody saw that movie in theaters, anyway(except me), so it really didn't matter. ;) Today they tell you exactly what is in the movie, content-wise, next to the rating. Same goes for TV ratings.

The MPAA is more concerned with sex when it comes to ratings, whereas in the UK it is more about violence. Alot of violent stuff that shows up in PG-13 movies, here, is cut over there. I think some scenes were cut from some of the Batman movies even.

As for Explicit warning labels, R rated material, and M rated games being sold to minors, well no sale policy enforcement needs to be more widespread at the point of purchase. That would put a huge dent in the problem, though kids can always find a way to get their hands on it. I was an expert at it, so I know it can done very easily, though the whole violence thing was no big deal when I was young so I could just about anything. I turned out fine.

atf487

03-30-2002, 05:26 PM

Now I didn't see the program, but I do agree with what you guys are talking about. And my age does match what you are talking about (12). I play M rated games, listen to some controversial music occasionally (I rarely get cd's with PA's on them), tape adult swim on sundays, and have had the pleasure of looking at pr0n (not intentionally, that stuff groses me out). Also, I've been able to buy M rated games. The thing is, I don't take the content seriously. If the kids do, that's the parents fault. They need to talk to the kids about what to do and what not to do. Also, alot of the parents are crappy at what they are supposed to do, maybe get divorced, etc etc. Alot of the time, the kids are po'ed, and decide to rebel. Sometimes, the parents are self centered little [bleep]s/[bleep]s and don't get the message that they need to raise their kids. Thats all..

The Mad Hatter

03-30-2002, 08:14 PM

The language filter's been busy lately.

Failure

03-30-2002, 08:46 PM

I just edited out some of those ****'s. People, we may have a filter, but this is an all ages board, so you should avoid those words in the first place.

spyke

03-30-2002, 11:47 PM

Originally posted by Failure
I just edited out some of those ****'s. People, we may have a filter, but this is an all ages board, so you should avoid those words in the first place.

Sorry about the language, I only use that type of language when I'm quoting or listing examples. It wont happen again.

BLACKHEART

03-31-2002, 10:53 AM

Did they interview the Insane Clown Posse? I'm going to be bummed out for months if I missed an ICP interview. Those guys are fun to watch. Very educated...

Heehaw

03-31-2002, 06:12 PM

They showed part of the ICP interview. It was originally much longer when it showed on the actually O'Reilly Factor program. They made fools of themselves and are about as scummy a pair as I've ever encountered. You might be able to find a transcript over on O'Reillys page which can be accessed via Fox News site.

DR. BELCH

03-31-2002, 08:14 PM

JTurner954:
What is the point of TV ratings??
:mad: :mad: :mad: They are part of an insidious left-wing conspiracy to tear apart lives, control the American populus, rob us of our freedoms, and tell parents that they are useless, ignorant, and incapable of raising their children without Big Brother spoon-feeding them. Since their inception by the Stalinists of the Clinton dynasty they have done nothing but cause misery, confusion, and pain to all they touch. Only true Marxist-Leninist liberal Democrats like Al Gore and Fritz Hollings support them, and they have no intrinsic worth or practical reason for existing. Yet they are allowed to, and those who do not use them are subject to fines and government censuring. I sincerely hope Bush passes legislation to ban these insipid, evil monstrosities from our airwaves before they grow and get more powerful. Until then none of us will be safe. :mad: :mad: :mad:

Bud 'n Lou

03-31-2002, 08:55 PM

Originally posted by Failure
I won't be watching it, but I find it ironic that it's on Fox, of all networks.

I was thinking the exact same thing! Talking about the corruption of the youth on the same network that brought us such wholesome family-friendly programs as Love Cruise and Temptation Island.

Spooky05

03-31-2002, 09:40 PM

the censorship issue is always a touchy subject. so if you wish, disregard my two cents now and please don't yell.

i have a 1 year old brother and another sibling on the way. i'm 15. me and my mom both watch south park and listen to rock music together. we listen to it around my little brother. we know that we will have to stop when he comes to the age when he starts understanding whats going on. and its not all the parents. little kids have their older siblings to influence them, too. i'm trying to take a bit of my own responsibility now by not watching some of the rock videos or my movies around my little brother. i am probably as corrupted as one can get with my experience, and i personally don't want my brother or other sibling to be as bad as i am. at least not yet. i know one day i'm going to be taking him to a rock concert and whatnot, but not now. parents and older siblings need to wait for the kids to grow up a little before sharing some of their interests with them. and personally, i think britney and n'sync and other pop stars are more corruptive than slipknot or bikini kill.

[throws her two cents in a fountain somewhere]