Aeon Flux

[SpaceCub]

Anyone remember that show that was on MTV's "Weird Ass Cartoons" (and weird ass it was) Aeon Flux? Does anyone think it may have a home on AS? Was it even Anime?

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[livingfruitvirus]

It wasn't anime, but boy did it look like it. O_O

I think Viacom still owns it.

[ohmrbill]

Originally posted by SpaceCub
Does anyone think it may have a home on AS?

I sure hope not...

[SpaceCub]

Originally posted by ohmrbill


I sure hope not...

Why not? It wasn't too cool for you, was it?

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[charmuse]

Was Weird Ass Cartoon first or Liquid television? That's where I saw Aeon flux first. I actually have the MTV tapes of the show as well as the Maxx. I doubt we will ever see either on AS. Time-Warner vs Viacom. :rolleyes:

Char

[Shnay]

Originally posted by SpaceCub
Was it even Anime?

I think that the animation style used in Aeon Flux would be considered "sick and twisted," (for those who don't know, that's a real style, not a judgement on my part). It was really big through the first half of the nineties, so that would make sense here. It still exist today (there is still a sick and twisted festival) but it's nowhere near as popular as it once was.

I might be wrong on this, though. Can any animation aficionados confirm/disprove this?

[Matt Hazuda]

Originally posted by Shnay


I think that the animation style used in Aeon Flux would be considered "sick and twisted," (for those who don't know, that's a real style, not a judgement on my part). It was really big through the first half of the nineties, so that would make sense here. It still exist today (there is still a sick and twisted festival) but it's nowhere near as popular as it once was.

I might be wrong on this, though. Can any animation aficionados confirm/disprove this? You must be referring to the sick and twisted duo of Spike and Mike whose website is obviously located at http://www.spikeandmike.com/

[The Drizzle]

Originally posted by charmuse
I actually have the MTV tapes of the show as well as the Maxx.

The Maxx rules! :D

[Samhaine]

Originally posted by Mr_Vegeta


The Maxx rules! :D
Oh, yes, yes he does. :)

Sam Kieth is probably one of my favorite comic creators, and I would love, love to see The Maxx on DVD (with the Mako [aka Land Shark] episdoes and the Lighthouse Keeper song intact) or even AS.


Ooooooo, The Head, the other MTVs Oddities show, would be great for an AS run too.

[Sprocket]

I find that funny, because Peter worked on Transformers: the Movie (and may have played a role in it's anime-like flair, but that's neither here nor there), and his latest work was coming up with the visuals for a Japanese OVA called 'Alexander', which was a futuristic take on the life of Alexander the Great.

So, Aeon Flux COULD be considered Japanese animation, considering his art style has been used more than once in Japanese shows and OVAs.

But it's all a matter of opinion, I guess.

[Sprocket]

And according to the official Alexander website at http://www.ani-alexander.com/ , it's being animated in more than one language. Trippy, no?

Anyone here think it may be on Adult Swim? Me, I personally think there's no way, but this does sound like an ambitious undertaking by Peter.

[Momijii]

Originally posted by SpaceCub
Anyone remember that show that was on MTV's "Weird Ass Cartoons" (and weird ass it was) Aeon Flux? Does anyone think it may have a home on AS? Was it even Anime?



Yes,I would see it on MTV...it would air with Liquid Television and Maxx.I really don't think it's suitible for AS,Aeon Flux was not anime.

[The Drizzle]

Originally posted by Momijii
I really don't think it's suitible for AS,Aeon Flux was not anime.

It doesn't have to be anime to be on AS. What gives people this idea? :confused:

[Fata Morgana]

I think Aeon Flux (and The Maxx for that matter) would be PERFECT for AS. But I doubt they would play something that avant garde. Remember these are the people who are afraid to show Speedy Gonzales cartoons. >_< I doubt they'd be overjoyed at a heroine who dresses like a dominatrix. . .

Fata Morgana

[Supreme]

Originally posted by Shnay


I think that the animation style used in Aeon Flux would be considered "sick and twisted," (for those who don't know, that's a real style, not a judgement on my part). It was really big through the first half of the nineties, so that would make sense here. It still exist today (there is still a sick and twisted festival) but it's nowhere near as popular as it once was.

I might be wrong on this, though. Can any animation aficionados confirm/disprove this?

It definitely is NOT a real style. It is a judgement call (kinda) made by Spike and Mike concerning entries into their Sick and Twisted Animation festivals. Ren & Stimpy, Beavis & Butthead and Southpark all got their start there (to a certain extent, Courage TCD [refer to "Dirdy Birdy"]). If anything, it can be more classified a genre, probably better known as "Adult Cartoons".

Aeon Flux and the Maxx wouldn't fit on either AS because they are just too out there. Neither is funny in the least and they don't quite fit the anime block of ASA. Aeon looks more French-ish.

And the Speedy argument is kind of a slippery slope. Speedy was a race issue brought forth by a group. Aeon Flux, though it has issues that the network may have to address, doesn't fall into the same category. We can't base what they will or won't show nased on that argument (or any other, for that matter). I know there's plenty of times I have said, "How can they play (show A) and not play (show B)?! (Show A) is MUCH worse."

[Shnay]

Originally posted by Supreme

It definitely is NOT a real style. It is a judgement call (kinda) made by Spike and Mike concerning entries into their Sick and Twisted Animation festivals. Ren & Stimpy, Beavis & Butthead and Southpark all got their start there (to a certain extent, Courage TCD [refer to "Dirdy Birdy"]). If anything, it can be more classified a genre, probably better known as "Adult Cartoons".

I stand corrected. Thanks for the information. (Just goes to show that people should never pay me any attention :D )

As for Speedy Gonzales, I gotta agree with Supreme. Sexually suggestive themes are WAY different than racially offensive material. I'm not sure whether Aeon Flux could ever appear on AS, although I'm guessing it won't. But the reason probably wouldn't have anything to do with their standards of programing. However, we've all seen my track record with animation topics. :rolleyes:

[Supreme]

Originally posted by Shnay

(Just goes to show that people should never pay me any attention :D )


Why didn't you warn me in advance?!

*starts not paying attention to Shnay.

[Killtacular]

Guys, for the last time.

Watch the Saturday block. What's the title that comes up?


Is it "Adult Swim Anime"?

Or "Adult Swim ACTION"?


Because, as far as I know, nowhere does it say, on any site affiliated with Cartoon Network or Turner, that the Saturday night block is restricted to Japanese Animation.

If "Adult Swim Anime" existed, Aeon Flux wouldn't fit on it, no. But that's not a problem, because "ADULT SWIM ACTION" is for ACTION cartoons, regardless of point of origin, so long as they have ACTION in them. The case could be made that Pilot Candidate doesn't have ACTION. But Pilot Candidate isn't even going to be around by winter 2003, so it's a moot point.

Aeon Flux would definitely fit on ASA, and I think it has one of the coolest premises ever (her dying in every episode). The only problem is that only 26 11-minute segments were made, which would be 13 once you pair them up. There were also a few shorts too, that they could possibly air.

Maybe if Williams Street was able to find something else to fill the remaining 11-minutes, they could stretch Flux out.

Either way, I'd like to see it on there, but not until they can find a way to keep it fresh (and it would be fresh to most people, since Liquid Television wasn't the most popular show around when it existed).

[The Drizzle]

Originally posted by Matt Wilson
Guys, for the last time.

Watch the Saturday block. What's the title that comes up?


Is it "Adult Swim Anime"?

Or "Adult Swim ACTION"?


Because, as far as I know, nowhere does it say, on any site affiliated with Cartoon Network or Turner, that the Saturday night block is restricted to Japanese Animation.

If "Adult Swim Anime" existed, Aeon Flux wouldn't fit on it, no. But that's not a problem, because "ADULT SWIM ACTION" is for ACTION cartoons, regardless of point of origin, so long as they have ACTION in them. The case could be made that Pilot Candidate doesn't have ACTION. But Pilot Candidate isn't even going to be around by winter 2003, so it's a moot point.

You beat me to it....I wanted to tell this to the one called Supreme and countless others.

[Fata Morgana]

Originally posted by Supreme
Aeon Flux and the Maxx wouldn't fit on either AS because they are just too out there. Neither is funny in the least and they don't quite fit the anime block of ASA. Aeon looks more French-ish.

Number 1: both Aeon Flux and The Maxx are funny. The Maxx in particular has dark humor down to a science. It's the only series I've ever seen that mangages to balance macabre and funny perfectly.

Number 2: (as Matt said) it's not an anime block. It's an action block. Believe it or not, there is a difference.

Fata Morgana

[Supreme]

I did NOT say there was a strict rule of anime, or that the "A" in ASA stood for it. I said it wouldn't fit the anime block, and that's what it is, an ANIME block. Until they start showing Batman Beyond (for example) or some other "action" show, the "A" will be (at least) associated with Anime.


The case could be made that Pilot Candidate doesn't have ACTION. But Pilot Candidate isn't even going to be around by winter 2003, so it's a moot point.
That is EXACTLY the point. PC is not action and is anime. Even though it is titled Adult Swim Action, it seems to give a wink and a nod in the direction of anime.
The absence of PC in 2003 is the actual moot point, since the question was "Does anyone think it (Aeon) may have a home on AS?", not "How long before Pilot Candidate is taken off?".

Of course (most) of the people here can read and know that it is Adult Swim Action, but the implication from the lineup is that it is anime. I can understand the mis-interpretation by some people because of the context.

Not to flame, mind you. Just to clarify.


*addition [minor rant/flame]: Everyone that I've met who liked AF and/or the Maxx (all 2 of them) said they specifically liked them for their serious tone, to which I agreed (to the tone, not likability). They were just seriously bad and unfunny.

[Shnay]

ASA is, for now at least, Adult Swim Anime. And that seems to be what they were going for when they put the Saturday night line-up together. My guess is that this will change later on. But it seems to me that, when they were putting the block together, they only used the title 'Action' because it sounded better than 'Anime.'

You can't tell me that, out of all the animated series available to them, that all the shows with the best action just happened to be anime. I believe that it's naive to think that, at this time, ASA is anything other than a block intended for anime.

As has been mentioned on these boards before, anime is seeing its greatest wave of popularity ever in the US. So a logical business step would be to try and capitalize on that. And I'm fine with that. I love ASA. I think any programming in which people in the US can get a chance to experience something different (for free, rather than gambling on costly DVDs) is a great thing. And, in fact, I'd rather see an all anime block than an "Action" block.

In the end, names and labels don't mean much. So I don't think we should believe something is an "action" block because that's what they're calling it, but I also don't think we should worry too much about whatever name they're giving it. Just take it for what it is.

[SpaceCub]

I never really got into Maxx, but AF just really interested me because it was so sureal. I think it would definitely have a home on ASA, regardless of the fact that so far they're all Anime. But hey, there's a first for everything, and what to change this than AF? Batman Beyond is okay and all, but I still has abit too much of a cartoony feel to it to be put on Adult Swim (fine for Toonami). Yes, AF is out there, which is why I feel it would fit nicely on ASA.

Sure, it would only make up 13 eps if they paired them up, but didn't Big O only have 13, and didn't Gundam 0080 have like 6? Length shouldn't be a factor.

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[Sheamon]

I no longer have any memories of what Aeon Flux was about (c'mon, how many years since its been on? :p) and I don't think I ever saw the Maxx, although I loved The Head when it was on. Certainly would love to see all 3 on the block if they could get them.

[Killtacular]

The reason Adult Swim Action only has anime on it is because there JUST WASN'T TIME.

They had to throw things together at the last minute, remember? the only shows available to them outside of Yu Yu were ones that hadn't yet aired on Toonami.

It's not like adult american action is throwing itself at their feet. They still have to go out and get it, and they just might, once they go through their acquisition phase. We won't really know what's up Adult Swim's sleeve until July.

[Fata Morgana]

Originally posted by Supreme
*addition [minor rant/flame]: Everyone that I've met who liked AF and/or the Maxx (all 2 of them) said they specifically liked them for their serious tone, to which I agreed (to the tone, not likability). They were just seriously bad and unfunny.

I'm curious as to why you felt you needed to mark this as a spoiler. ^_^ Anyway, my response is this: many great dramas include moments of levity, even goofiness. "Serious tone" doesn't mean "100% unfunny." Shakespeare's dramas are the best examples I can think of off hand - bawdy jokes in the midst of a tragedy, slapstick humor a couple of scenes before the main character dies. That sort of thing. Though the Maxx has a serious theme, it's positivly loaded with humor. How can you look at that episode that Maxx spends as a Dr. Seuss character and say that it wasn't funny? (or at least _intended_ to be funny) Or any of Mr. Gone's various sarcsatic/wry lines - "I'm Mr. Gone! Student of the mystic arts! Unfortunately an untalented student, or I wouldn't have to keep shooting fools like you!", "Of course I have a problem with women! Everyone has a problem with women.", "That's how it ends, Doc. Not with a bang, or a whimper, but with a 'thwack.'" Ok, so maybe the humor in The Maxx doesn't appeal to you. Some people don't like black humor - I happen to. Just because you don't like or don't get the humor, doesn't automatically mean that it's humorless.

Fata Morgana

[Supreme]

Originally posted by Fata Morgana
I'm curious as to why you felt you needed to mark this as a spoiler. ^_^

I didn't want to detract from the main point that I was making. Though not a spoiler, the mechanism fit nicely. ;)



Anyway, my response is this: many great dramas include moments of levity, even goofiness. "Serious tone" doesn't mean "100% unfunny."
So is it a "great drama" or a comedy? "Serious tone" doesn't exclusively mean unfunny, but it can mean that. btw, I didn't say it was (100%) unfunny because I thought that it was supposed to be serious, I simply said it was bad and unfunny, period.



Ok, so maybe the [*attempt at*] humor in The Maxx doesn't appeal to you. Some people don't like black humor - I happen to. Just because you don't like or don't get the humor [*just say "don't like" and leave it at that*], doesn't automatically mean that it's humorless.
Fata Morgana [/B]
It's my opinion that it is not funny. It doesn't have to mean that I don't get it, just like I won't say that you "don't get it" because you think that it is funny.

[JustJack]

Aeon Flux was good entertainment..not great, but good.
The Maxx was terrific.

Both series have a serious over-tone. BUT, at the same time, both would probably be best classified as Dark/twisted comedy(Especially Maxx). I think it'd be cool if ASAction showed some of the Aeon Flux shorts, during commercial breaks(Like Captain Linger....).

You people judge "Action" "Anime" and "Comical content" waaaay to much. If its animated, & has fine action..put it on ASA...if it's animated & funny...put it on ASSundays...heh. Nuff said, quite crying. Its just how it works.