1992 X-Men vs. 2000 X-Men Evolution

[Trevor]

Which do you prefer?

[Silverstar]

X-Men: TAS, no question.

Sure, the animation wasn't great (or even good), yes, the storytelling could be a tad melodramatic and there was way too much focus on Wolverine, but the '92 X-Men felt like X-Men. There was a decent mix of superhero action and character interaction/development.

While X-Men: Evolution did boast the superior animation, the Mutant High: 90210 makeover did not work for me at all. There was far too much Saved by the Bell shipper nonsense and not nearly enough mutant action. To me, X-Men: Evolution felt like some teenager's X-Men fanfic that ran for 4 years.

[ShadowStar]

There was far too much Saved by the Bell shipper nonsense and not nearly enough mutant action.

I didn't think that the shipper stuff dominated the show. The Kurt/Amanda pairing was only pertinent to about 3 episodes. OK, there was a lot of Scott/Jean stuff in season 2 (especially with Rogue, Duncan and that other girl involved) and some of season 3, but they're the most famous couple in X-men history, so I can forgive that. I only really agree with you as far as the Kitty/Lance stuff is concerned; that was shoved down everyone's throats so much.

Still, romance wasn't a major component for the show. It certainly was for episodes like "Blind Alley" and "Joyride", but it didn't get in the way much at all. And as for a lack of action... Well, there might not have been that many action scenes in NYC (some episodes like "On Angels Wings" being exceptions, of course), but it still offered plenty of action.

Season 1 was passable; it just established the characters without really having any fun with most of them. But from season 2 onwards, it was a lot better. It had its flaws (dragging out the Apocalypse arc, for instance), but it was still a great show. I think I like it more than X-men:TAS.

[Time Wizard]

I want to say the 90s X-Men but it has been quite a while since I have seen either series so I will have to watch a few episodes of both first.

[Superpan]

While not as definitive as Spider-Man:TAS, X-Men had the best versions of Wolverine, Magneto, etc, as well as feeling more like an X-Men show to me. I'm not saying Evo wasn't good, sometimes even great, but it comes in a close second.

[Azrayel]

This is a toss up for me since they are both an ok of a show for me.

But if I had to choose I'd go for the 90's version. To me Evolution was too childish (as if they are in elementary school and not high school) and we had a lot of characters look alike. (Iceman, Multiple Man, and some other random character looked like each other) and we had to have that stupid Jean and Scott romance forever.

[Golgo-13]

The 90's X-Men:TAS without any question. One of the most well written cartoon drama's to date.

[Anwar]

EVO, the animation and voice acting of the 90s series (with a few exceptions) was pretty bad in TAS. Also some of the writing was subpar, and they never bothered explaining just who Apocalypse was, how Cable could be related to Scott and Jean, etc.

I also liked EVO for taking the effort of showing how the Mutant hatred started instead of the easy path of having it be already established like with TAS and WatXM.

[Captain Highwind]

For X-Men Evolution, I liked Film Roman working on a super hero show, and I liked the designs.

I liked the fact that X-Men the Animated Series cut straight into heavy comic book material instead of stalling around in high school shenanigans for 3 1/2 seasons out of 4.

I'm assuming if you combine the two, you get Wolverine and the X-Men, but I have yet to sit down and watch it through. Thankfully my library has quite a few volumes, if not all of them if they've been released by now.

[Don_East]

Gotta go with the original, in my opinion it's the best Marvel cartoon yet.

They just messed around too much with the source material for me. Like how they made Scarlet Witch this punk/goth that was forcefully institutionalized as a child or making Gambit a member of the Acolytes. Not to mention all the pointless pairings shoved down our throats, probably a cause for my hatred of fanbases. The original handled the mutant rights angle out of the three X-Men cartoons, Evo didn't even try until season 3 and it didn't have any major anti-mutant groups like the Friends of Humanity. Also, it got to do the Phoenix & Dark Phoenix arcs while Evo didn't even make any hints about it until the end.

I also didn't like art style, no I'm not talking about how they blatently ripped off Bruce Timm. But just the art style, like Cyclop's costume with it's goofy "X" around the torso. And then there's Nightcrawler, in the comics he always had to disguise himself because he could be mistaken for a demon, in the EVO he looks exactly as he does in his hologram only with blue skin, a tail, pointy ears, and three-fingered hands. If EVO was made now he could just say he's a huge Avatar fan.

I don't EVO despite my apparent bashing I just don't think it's the better show.

[Trevor]

Also, it got to do the Phoenix & Dark Phoenix arcs while Evo didn't even make any hints about it until the end.



Well there was the one Jean episode in Season 2 (or was it the end of 1) where Scott and that football player were feuding over her and Jean's "Phoenix" just took over.

[Callonme]

X-Men Evolution is a far superior show, though my preferred X-Men era is the one presented in X-Men: TAS. You would think that Wolverine and the X-Men would be a cross between the two, but it somehow ends up being more generic than either of them.

Despite some of Evolution's early high school trappings, it eventually gave us some great episodes. It's combination of appealing character designs, inventive directing and smooth animation made for a visual treat. Also, the writing from Season Two onward was balanced and insightful. The early Season One episodes were somewhat rough and unfocused, but the show tightened up relatively quickly. I wish there could have been further seasons.

[xmendude]

Well, I liked both. I felt that "X-Men TAS" had better plots and villains. "X-Men Evolution" had better animation and it also had good plots. ;)

[Dangerous2099]

1992

[cnfan91]

I like both series but I like Evolution better.

Evolution's animation is a lot better and the show got better as it went along. I guess the reason I like Evolution better too is because it looked different and had better animation than most other shows at the time and it also has held up better than TAS has. The only thing from TAS that I like better is the theme song, that's one thing that has held up well.

[FlawedCoil82]

There were only two episodes of TAS that bored me. Those were "Secrets Not Long Buried" and "Jubilee's Fairytale Theatre". I found everything else to be pure enjoyment from beginning to end. Sure, there are many parts in episodes I do not like or wish they would have done differently. But I find it to be on a completely different level than XME and what I've seen of WATXM. The only episode from XME that I felt could even compare with the 90's series was the Christmas episode.
Jack

[krmiller27]

I liked both shows and would actually like a hybrid of the two to them separate. Saban's show and Evolution both had their positives and negatives. This is what I liked and disliked about both shows and some points are nitpicks.

Saban:

Pros


Recreated the design of the comics to a T.
Good voice work on the show.
Able to retell comic stories.
Magneto was written as a complex character.
Apocalypse was a real threat and a force of evil.

Cons


Dialogue can broken down to be just JEAN and SCOTT far to often.
Animation can be clunky at times and isn't smooth.
Storm basically saying a poem to summon the weather.
Decrease in quality for the last season.
Not enough Iceman, Nightcrawler, Colossus, and Angel.
No Shadow Cat or Toad.
Brotherhood barely shown and no connection to Magneto.
Angsty Wolverine.

Evolution:

Pros


Starting at the beginning with them as students.
Art design allowed for better animation.
Nightcrawler, Iceman, Shadowcat, Toad, and Colossus have ample screen time.
Brotherhood connected to Magneto and fleshed out on the show.
Sentinels not made of tin.
Dialogue is much better and no more JEAN and SCOTT.
Has interconnected plot lines throughout the seasons.
Apocalypse was handled well and not a carbon copy from the other show.

Cons


No space adventures or cosmic villains.
Some costume designs were bad: Avalanche, Jean, and Rogue.
No super powered Rogue not even once.
Too much time was spent on school problems, all of season 1.
No Bishop or Cable or any time travel for that matter.

[Silverstar]

Evolution:

Pros


Starting at the beginning with them as students.



But not the original team from the comics: Cyclops, Marvel Girl (Jean Grey), Iceman, Angel and Beast. In terms of the comics, the team's roster on XME was all over the road. Evolution wasn't a prequel so much as it was a retelling. Also, it made no sense to me that the mutants lived at the Xavier Institute (a school) and attended Bayville High (another school). Even if, as some conjecture, they were learning mutant-related stuff at the former and academics at the latter, then it's kind of odd that no one figured out that something weird was going on with the mutant kids (i.e., them attending one school and living at another school) until season 3. You'd think that someone would have put 2 and 2 together and said, "Hmmm. Those 6 kids leave here every day to go live at....another school. But if they're learning academics at Bayville, then what are they learning about at the other school?" long before then.


Cons



Some costume designs were bad: Avalanche, Jean, and Rogue.Don't forget Scott's goofy costume with the big 'X' across the torso.





No super powered Rogue not even once. Correction: Rogue was super-powered from Jump Street; it was just the Ms. Marvel power boost she lacked. The super-strength, flight and invulnerability were not part of Rogue's natural mutation (energy, memory and power absorption), but merely powers she had absorbed from Ms. Marvel, which she had already lost by that time in the comics, so it can't really be considered a con that she didn't have those extra powers in Evolution. Anyway, we did get a glimpse of Rogue with the Ms. Marvel package in one of the flash-forwards in part 2 of "Ascension".





Too much time was spent on school problems, all of season 1.

And huge chunks of seasons 2 and 3.

[Anwar]

Even if, as some conjecture, they were learning mutant-related stuff at the former and academics at the latter, then it's kind of odd that no one figured out that something weird was going on with the mutant kids (i.e., them attending one school and living at another school) until season 3. You'd think that someone would have put 2 and 2 together and said, "Hmmm. Those 6 kids leave here every day to go live at....another school. But if they're learning academics at Bayville, then what are they learning about at the other school?" long before then.

Considering how the Xavier Institute is hardly portrayed as a school AT ALL in the comics this isn't really inexcusable...


Cons


Don't forget Scott's goofy costume with the big 'X' across the torso.



Isn't it just a revised version of his X-Factor costume? A combo of that and the Lee version?


And huge chunks of seasons 2 and 3.

Meh, they were teenagers for those seasons and naturally WOULD have to deal with school stuff in combination with X-Men activities. At least some parts of S2 and all of S3 combined that with mutant outcasts stuff.

[Barbossa]

X men evo by far,Just perfect,the show is ten years old and it still looks better than most toons today
X men tas is a solid show but the reasons I don't like it are

1.The show has aged badly and I'm not just talking about animation

2.Something is wrong when boring characters like Bishop and Cable get more sreen time than Collussus,Shadowcat(who went mia),Nightcrawler
and Iceman

3.Xmen fighting Aliens and cosmic villains in almost every episode

4.Jubilee on the team ????

5.Where are the students in the so-called school?

6.The Brotherhood in the show were a joke, even x men evo Brotherhood can take them

[Trevor]

No Shadow Cat or Toad.


Toad appeared in the Season 4 episode Secrets Not Long Buried. Otherwise it was too bad that the Shadow Cat that was in the Pryde pilot was dropped, since the Shadowcat that has shown up in Evolution and WATXM has just been annoying and not very intersting.



Evolution:

Pros


Starting at the beginning with them as students.
Interesting idea..but bad execution, it felt too much like the creators were trying to redo in animation the live-action Superboy in this series.





Nightcrawler, Iceman, Shadowcat, Toad, and Colossus have ample screen time.
These characters sounded just like a bunch of whiny kids. And Toad was just down and down boring.


Apocalypse was handled well and not a carbon copy from the other show.

The show built upto the point where you thought that Apocalypse would be a pretty tough character, but in the end Apocalypse's character and story arc were not executed any where near the Apocalypse of the 92 series. Of course I was never really a fan of Apocalypse in the 92 series.



Cons



No super powered Rogue not even once.
I have to agree with you here. Without the Ms. Marvel power package Rogue was nowhere as interesting a character as she was in the 92 series. And you could never really have anymore Storm/Rogue episodes-scenarios together.



Too much time was spent on school problems, all of season 1.
School lasted till the last episodes of Season 3.



...or any time travel for that matter.
The first Forge episode sort of featured time travel, considering that Forge had been trapped in a time warp bubble for 22 years (and the "bubble" ended just shy of the girl's locker room, which makes sense for a kids show).

[firefoxprime]

I liked both shows and would actually like a hybrid of the two to them separate. Saban's show and Evolution both had their positives and negatives. This is what I liked and disliked about both shows and some points are nitpicks.

Saban:

Pros


Recreated the design of the comics to a T.
Good voice work on the show.
Able to retell comic stories.
Magneto was written as a complex character.
Apocalypse was a real threat and a force of evil.
Cons


Dialogue can broken down to be just JEAN and SCOTT far to often.
Animation can be clunky at times and isn't smooth.
Storm basically saying a poem to summon the weather.
Decrease in quality for the last season.
Not enough Iceman, Nightcrawler, Colossus, and Angel.
No Shadow Cat or Toad.
Brotherhood barely shown and no connection to Magneto.
Angsty Wolverine.
Evolution:

Pros


Starting at the beginning with them as students.
Art design allowed for better animation.
Nightcrawler, Iceman, Shadowcat, Toad, and Colossus have ample screen time.
Brotherhood connected to Magneto and fleshed out on the show.
Sentinels not made of tin.
Dialogue is much better and no more JEAN and SCOTT.
Has interconnected plot lines throughout the seasons.
Apocalypse was handled well and not a carbon copy from the other show.
Cons


No space adventures or cosmic villains.
Some costume designs were bad: Avalanche, Jean, and Rogue.
No super powered Rogue not even once.
Too much time was spent on school problems, all of season 1.
No Bishop or Cable or any time travel for that matter.


not to nitpick...but nightcrawler did travel into that alternate dimension.
not much, yeah.
but its something

honestly its alot of factors.

1. how old you were while watching these series.
2. which one you could relate to more.
3. whether you were an avid comic book fan, therefore desiring these series to
be a clear adaptation to the comics.

so of course persons while continue to be dissapointed with one series or another.

X:TAS stayed true with the current comics at that time.

X:EVO wanted to do something different. and if you weren't open to change
or weren't a 12 year old kid...then chances were you did like what you saw.

[Spider-Friends]

X-Men Evolution is a far superior show, though my preferred X-Men era is the one presented in X-Men: TAS.

That's exactly how I feel. I love the period, the characters, the costumes, and everything that TAS was trying to do...it just did it so very poorly. I can only guess that Saban is to blame because I can't tolerate any of the 90's Marvel cartoons.

[ifthismeansevos]

Sorry if I go a little off topic here...Why WatXM is not making it here? I feel a little troll for saying that, so sorry.

You know for my weird nickname which was my answer. I respect the 92 series, but it feels a little disconnected and uber Wolverine focused. As far as I can see Evolution is the one that deals most about the X-men and less about the feral canadian mutie. That should count in the bigger picture, what are the x-men? Outcast trying to do the right thing...check since the very beginning of season 2, hated by the world they swore to protect checked in the third season obviously but as early as the very same second season episode, the GREAT Christmas episode.

Of course Evolution in time was surpassed but not by another X rather for the recetly deceased spidey.

[Silverstar]

I respect the 92 series, but it feels a little disconnected and uber Wolverine focused.

X-Men: TAS was too Wolverine-centric, true, but it was more connected to the comics (of that time, anyway) than Evolution ever was. XME didn't follow any comics' continuity, but rather was its' own self-contained alternate reality; not that that's a bad thing, but in the case of XME I just didn't think it worked.


As far as I can see Evolution is the one that deals most about the X-men and less about the feral canadian mutie. That should count in the bigger picture, what are the x-men? Outcast trying to do the right thing...check since the very beginning of season 2, hated by the world they swore to protect checked in the third season obviously but as early as the very same second season episode, the GREAT Christmas episode. Sorry for going slightly off-topic for a minute, but I keep reading all of these raves about the episode "On Angel's Wings". Mind you, it's been a while, but I saw that episode, and I don't see what the big deal is. What exactly was so great about that episode? What did "On Angel's Wings" really accomplish, aside from introducing Warren Worthington to the Evo-verse and creating fodder for all the Rogue/Scott shippers? Did I miss something?

[KJ Styles]

I actually agree with Silverstar. X-Men TAS followed the comics almost flawlessly at the time and the plots were much better. The only edge XME had was it's animation.

X-Men TAS is probably my favorite Marvel series of all time, with the Spectacular Spider Man a close second.

[ifthismeansevos]

X-Men: TAS was too Wolverine-centric, true, but it was more connected to the comics (of that time, anyway) than Evolution ever was. XME didn't follow any comics' continuity, but rather was its' own self-contained alternate reality; not that that's a bad thing, but in the case of XME I just didn't think it worked.

Sorry for going slightly off-topic for a minute, but I keep reading all of these raves about the episode "On Angel's Wings". Mind you, it's been a while, but I saw that episode, and I don't see what the big deal is. What exactly was so great about that episode? What did "On Angel's Wings" really accomplish, aside from introducing Warren Worthington to the Evo-verse and creating fodder for all the Rogue/Scott shippers? Did I miss something?

It was all about little details to be fair, but little details often mean a lot when done well.

It used some clever hints to the much more extense Marvel Universe. It was the return of Magneto and gave away the formation of the acolytes without being to obvious, showed in a clever way the religious fanatism sometimes associated with mutant-issues. As devilspawns for some etc... It managed to gave away Pryde's religion in comic books with one scene, it showed the flying Rogue if only for a minute just to let everyone see she can fly and to pay a little tribute to the 90s flying southern belle. It had some clever use of biblical and shakespeare quotes, dealt with Scott's in a way he looked human and naive but not making him as bad as Wolvie's Scott was. All in all it packed great writing for 20 minutes of episode, because it meant much more for the series, also it did not forced Xmas into the plot but the plot was logical within Xmas.

Now if you ask me those little details are the things that make it great, they all work togheter fine, and I am not saying that the 90s series was not good, because it was, I am just saying that it did not gave itself a chance to tell the things in a subtle manner as this episode did or at least I cannot remember an instance.

[Trevor]

Sorry if I go a little off topic here...Why WatXM is not making it here? I feel a little troll for saying that, so sorry.

I did make another poll at the same time as this poll comparing the 1992 series to the 2008 series and the 2000 series to the 2008 series.
http://www.toonzone.net/forums/showthread.php?t=267961

http://www.toonzone.net/forums/showthread.php?t=267960

[wonderfly]

Going to have to go with "X-men: Evolution" on this one. I actually enjoyed the 1992 "X-Men" cartoon, as it's debut heralded the arrival of the X-Men as a comic book franchise on par with the "Big 3" of Spider-Man, Superman, and Batman...

...but it was cheesy as hell. And the animation made my eyes bleed compared to "Batman: The Animated Series", which was airing at the same time.

Still, the old show had it's moments.

Compare that the the storylines from "X-Men Evolution" (which premiered only 3 years after "X-Men: TAS" ended). "Evolution" had more of a character emphasis and was not so melodramatic. Animation was better as well.

Tough call though. You should throw in the late 80's X-Men: Pryde of the X-Men (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/X-Men:_Pryde_of_the_X-Men), I'd have voted instead for that as best overall. :)

I also voted for "Spider-Man and His Amazing Friends" over the 90's "Spider-Man" cartoon, so I guess I just didn't enjoy Marvel's cartoons in the 90's as much...

[FlawedCoil82]

It used some clever hints to the much more extense Marvel Universe. It was the return of Magneto and gave away the formation of the acolytes without being to obvious, showed in a clever way the religious fanatism sometimes associated with mutant-issues. As devilspawns for some etc... It managed to gave away Pryde's religion in comic books with one scene, it showed the flying Rogue if only for a minute just to let everyone see she can fly and to pay a little tribute to the 90s flying southern belle. It had some clever use of biblical and shakespeare quotes, dealt with Scott's in a way he looked human and naive but not making him as bad as Wolvie's Scott was. All in all it packed great writing for 20 minutes of episode, because it meant much more for the series, also it did not forced Xmas into the plot but the plot was logical within Xmas.

Pretty much what he said. I've always loved the feeling of Christmas as it approaches and for some reason, this episode puts me in the spirit (along with the 90's Christmas episode that most, strangely, seem to hate). And even though it's not a big deal to most people, one of my favorite things about this episode are the closing scenes and the beautiful piano music that is playing when they are showing all of the team members with their families or showing how they are spending their Christnas.
Jack

[JTMarsh]

They both had their charming aspects and their not so admirable aspects. The 90s series, despite its inconsistent animation & occasionally clunky dialogue, did manage a dark foreboding atmosphere, and some spot on characterizations for Beast, Rogue, etc. On the other hand, Evolution featured a vastly superior version of Jean Grey, arguably her best showing in any medium. The 90s series sadly seemed to have this blind spot with Jean where they had her constantly fainting whenever she tried to use her powers (not counting her Dark Phoenix run), which really doesn't make any sense considering she is/was one of the most powerful X-women. Evolution utilized her powers much better, and also featured what was probably the best version of her relationship with Cyclops (I miss the Cyclops/Jean pairing by the way, despite certain writers/execs trying to sabotage it, demonize it & vilify it). Evolution also did pretty well with character relationships, romantic or not.

[Antiyonder]

I still stand by my opinion that Evo's Cyclops is the best handled version of the character. Wolverine and The X-Men being the worst example of this, you feel that without Jean Grey, Cyclops would have no reason to live. I mean both W&TXM episodes featuring him had to center around Jean and his one tracked mind involving his feelings.

And while XTAS didn't have this problem to the degree, he was still pretty one note in being too strict, while again Evo's Cyclops had a fun, carefree side.

[BlackoutCreature]

I gotta go with X-Men: Evolution as the superior show.

X-Men:TAS was a good show for its time, a pretty straight-forward adaptation of the comics. But by that point the X-Men franchise in general just felt... stale, and the cartoon just kinda reflected that. While technically it was very good (I definitely enjoyed waking up on Saturday mornings in my early-to-mid teens and watching it), there pattern of adapting storylines and characterization almost straight from the comics just gave it an unoriginal and uninspired feel.

Evolution was just a breath of fresh air after that. It felt like the first time in a long time someone was actually trying to do something genuinely new and different with the franchise and the characters, and they did an excellent job of it. It made characters like Cyclops, Nightcrawler, Scarlett Witch, Rogue and even the Blob more relatable to me then any episode of X-Men:TAS I've ever seen and also got me genuinely interested in a lot of characters which I never had any real interest in before in any other show or medium, like Toad, Avalanche, Magma and Boom-Boom.

[FlawedCoil82]

X-Men:TAS was a good show for its time, a pretty straight-forward adaptation of the comics. But by that point the X-Men franchise in general just felt... stale, and the cartoon just kinda reflected that.

I truly wish my mind could comprehend how any person could not adore the 90's X-Men. I saw the 90's X-Men as such ultimate perfection that God Himself could not have designed a more perfect super hero team. Words can not begin to explain my overwhelming hatred for modern day Marvel Comics for what that disgraceful company has allowed the X-Men to decay into (nor can I express it on here or else I'd probably be banned).

Today, their colorful, unique uniforms are completely gone. Their interesting powers are history. Their classic team line ups and members are nowhere to be found. The wonderful villains are no more. Every single thing that I loved about the X-Men has been allowed (by the head individuals at Marvel) to be burned down to ashes on the ground. The X-Men of today are simply unrecognizable to me now. And I won't even get started on Chris Claremont's utterly blasphemous X-Men Forever comics where he is ever-so-proudly teaching "Destroying & Disgracing X-Men In Record Time 101" classes in the form of comic books. :mad:

The X-Men animated series featured my ideal, perfect version of the X-Men, so no matter how bad the animation was, that alone stands it miles higher than any other version of X-Men that has been or has yet to be animated (unless they go back to the 90's uniforms, team line ups, etc.). Granted, Wolverine And The X-Men was certainly more enjoyable than X-Men Evolution was for me (perhaps if nothing else, because it showed a few members like Rogue and Archangel in their flawless 90's uniforms again), but even that considered, comparing WATX to the 90's X-Men animated series in my eyes is like comparing a shiny new quarter to truck load full of cash. I wish others felt even a fraction as strongly about the 90's X-Men as I did so I wouldn't seemingly be the only one who is downright outraged at Marvel Comics right now for what they have let happen to their once incredible team of super heroes.
Jack

[Barbossa]

Sorry but,I won't let nostalgia blind my judgement.Imo X men 90s is by far the worst,not a bad show but Evolution and Wolverine and the x men just makes it look bad today.Also Storm Jean and Cyclops 90s uniforms will look terrible even if they are updated for todays animation

[FlawedCoil82]

I completely disagree. All they would have to do is make minor changes. Jean Grey's costume could just have the "nude colored" part be colored a brighter orange type color. Cyclops, all they would have to do is make his "yellow briefs" look more like shorts. And Storm, I've never understood why people disliked her uniform? I suppose it is because of her "wings cape", but I always believed that that was necessary to help give her lift when the wind picks her up (she can not fly the same way that Rogue USED to be able to). She uses strong winds to lift her off the ground and in TAS, they showed that many times.

Another thing about Cyclops in modern day comics and on Wolverine And The X-Men that I can not stand is him not having visible hair. When his hair is not visible, he looks more like a cyborg or robot. I like him to look more human and the visible hair does that.
Jack

[Blackstar]

Another thing about Cyclops in modern day comics and on Wolverine And The X-Men that I can not stand is him not having visible hair. When his hair is not visible, he looks more like a cyborg or robot. I like him to look more human and the visible hair does that.

Co-signed. I never liked that cowled uniform on Cyclops. It makes him look like a big bowling pin or like he's wearing a scuba diver's suit without the flippers. I've always preferred the blue and yellow uniform minus the head gear, and I also like the idea of changing his yellow briefs into shorts. Perhaps DC comics could do that with Superman's red speedos.

[JTMarsh]

Yeah, exposed hair was a much better look for Cyclops than the skull cap. The problem is the skull cap, while some may argue it's his "classic" look or even just serves more of a disguise purpose, is it tends to make his head look misshapen, almost ball like.

[firefoxprime]

Another thing about Cyclops in modern day comics and on Wolverine And The X-Men that I can not stand is him not having visible hair. When his hair is not visible, he looks more like a cyborg or robot. I like him to look more human and the visible hair does that. Jack

You do understand that the lack of Cyclops hair is paying tribute to his first "official" comic book appearance?

[FlawedCoil82]

Yes I do, but I never liked that look. When I first started buying the X-Men action figures from Toybiz, that was the only version of Cyclops they had available. So I'd just pretend he was dead and didn't like to play with him. I was thrilled when the new version of him came out where he looked exactly how he did on TAS (though sadly by this point I was becoming a little too old to "play" with action figures). But that's when I started liking him. Before, he reminded me way too much of like Robocop with his hair being covered.
Jack

[ifthismeansevos]

Yes I do, but I never liked that look. When I first started buying the X-Men action figures from Toybiz, that was the only version of Cyclops they had available. So I'd just pretend he was dead and didn't like to play with him. I was thrilled when the new version of him came out where he looked exactly how he did on TAS (though sadly by this point I was becoming a little too old to "play" with action figures). But that's when I started liking him. Before, he reminded me way too much of like Robocop with his hair being covered.
Jack

Well Jack I think I can understand half what you're saying, while I do not adore XTAS as you do I understand the suffering with the modern comics, I for once dislike what the creators of the two newer series are doing in comics, hell they apparently think death is the only way to make things interesting. And the thing about Cyke's hood is it mirrors his personality at the time, an island, totally into himself, formerly timid. Which gives us good reason to like the other look.

[launchpad20]

Sorry but,I won't let nostalgia blind my judgement.Imo X men 90s is by far the worst,not a bad show but Evolution and Wolverine and the x men just makes it look bad today. I agree. The animation in 'X-Men:TAS' was pretty bad at times. Sure, it was true to the comics from that era, but using Jim Lee's designs doesn't seem like a good idea since they're not very animation friendly. (Especially when you've got Akom doing the animation.) 'X-Men Evolution', and 'Wolverine & The X-Men' took a page from Bruce Timm's book on character designs, and went for more streamlined styles that are pleasing to the eyes. While most people didn't like the fact that 'Evolution' tried to do something different with the 'X-Men' mythos, it's still a decent series in it's own right.
Co-signed. I never liked that cowled uniform on Cyclops. It makes him look like a big bowling pin or like he's wearing a scuba diver's suit without the flippers. I've always preferred the blue and yellow uniform minus the head gear, and I also like the idea of changing his yellow briefs into shorts. Perhaps DC comics could do that with Superman's red speedos.Hmmm, i don't know if shorts would work that well, but that's just me. :sweat:
Yeah, exposed hair was a much better look for Cyclops than the skull cap. The problem is the skull cap, while some may argue it's his "classic" look or even just serves more of a disguise purpose, is it tends to make his head look misshapen, almost ball like.I honestly never had any issues with Scott's hair being covered with a skull cap. It looked fine in his classic uniform, and he also looked fine without a skull cap. However, his trench coat in 'Wolverine & The X-Men' kinda makes him look like a mobster, or a detective. Sure, a trench coat works for Gambit since he's cool, and edgy, but I just don't care for it that much on Cyclops. Not that i totally hate it, just wanted to point that out. On a side note, I never cared much for Jean wearing sandals alot in 'Evolution', but again, that's just me.

[xBlackWolfx]

i strongly prefer x-men evolution. why? it's relatable.

x-men have always had this 'discriminated minority' theme to it, but normally the x-men are a bunch of demi-gods who spend most of their loves isolated in their secret fortress. putting them out in the real world where they have to deal with it just like ordinary humans do actually makes it far easier to understand and relate to. i've noticed alot of ppl seem to criticize the show for not having all the absurd stuff you normally see in x-men comics: time travel, jean turning into a god, battles on the moon, etc... then and now one of the main appeals to me was that evolution didnt have all this, it was set in a far more realistic world, like the one i have to live in everyday. and i believe that's the reason it's the only series to have a lasting popularity, it brought the characters down to earth.

and the fact that they're adolescent doesnt bother me at all, most of them are in the comics anyway. but i do admit, putting them in high school may not have been necessary. it was probably done so that younger ppl (who also have to go to school) could better relate to them. but it also allowed the brotherhood and x-men to interact with eachother early on which produced situations you normally dont get to explore.

as for the original series? hoorah, demi-gods bashing eachother in the face while crying that they're being discriminated against from within their fortress. this is the one i watched when i was alittle kid (i watched evolution in adolescence, i graduated high school in 2005) but i didnt really care for it, and i never understood most of it. the only memory i have of it was wolverine's origin story (that show is the first place i learned of it), and some scene of him sabretooth and alot of other ppl going into some laboratory or something and wolverine finding a replica of a log cabin he lived in with one of the others there. i had no idea what was happening and i have no idea why i even remember that, wolverine's origin story was the only part i could understand at the time. not that the show is meaningless, i was just way too young back then to understand most of it.

i've been reading the x-men comics on marvel (i got a year-long subscription to their digital comics) and you know? i dont like the comic either, i honestly thought i would, i liked ultimate x-men. everything about it just wierd and absurd stuff. it's like alot of the films you see today, trying to be showy rather than tell a good story. the dark phoenix arc is the only part i've read thus far (i started at the very first issue and read from there, i find it funny that the first comics were much better than the ones from the 70s revamp, which is utterly sad) that was actually good.

maybe it appeals to older generations? i dont know (the characters clothes in the books from the 60s actually hurt my eyes). but i personnally couldnt care less about it. there is nothing in there i can relate to. i wouldnt be too surprised if x-men evolution went the same way in a few dacades time, though it think it's less likely since i dont think the issues it concerns itself with are something that's going to go away anytime soon. stories that focus on personal problems like x-men evolution and teen titans did tend to last quite a while, at least until ppl get tired of the long outdated fashion :D

not that evolution didnt have it's flaws, mostly in its reasoning. the characters are supposed to be hiding that they're mutants from everyone but they happily use their powers right out in the open and even babble about it with ppl literally inches away. that one episode where the brotherhood does purposefully try to reveal the existence of mutants is a pretty good example of this (even the x-men act like that, and the brotherhood was doing it before lance mentioned the idea to them, toad was hopping around eating flies in the middle of a crowded gym and quicksilver happily used his powers right there to avoid lance punching him, and then lance went and showed off his powers to kitty in the bleachers)

and of course i didnt like the kid-friendly stuff. what's the point in having wolverine if he cant act like a homicidal maniac? and there's this one scene where kitty kicked wolverine in the shin (she was under mind control at the time) which was slightly funny (mostly his comment about it: 'and this is why i dont play nice' or something like that) but it would've been a lot funnier if she kicked him between the legs (euphamism bc i'm new here and have no idea what i can say without getting in trouble).

and of course what's the point of making a show about superheroes when they rarely get to use their powers for anything particularly useful? i'd bet that some of the episodes could've worked fine with normal humans. i liked the emphasis on the characters over big colorful battles, but you dont just do one thing, you need variety. one of my favorite episodes is 'the hex factor' bc of it contains both action and character development. not to mention a character i can strongly relate to, then and now.

is it the best show in the world? no, not at all. it's just more appealing to me than the show from the early nineties. i cant even remember most of that series, and i have a nearly photographic memory. there's not too many things i forget.

[BlackoutCreature]

I never understood this problem people have with the Evolution team being in a public high school. In my opinion that was the most refreshing thing about the show. As the poster above me said, the comics and the 90's series had a tendency to completely isolate the X-Men in there "fortress" and only come out and interact with "normal" people when it was time for a fight or someone was bothering them. Usually the only "normal" people they interacted with were extremist. Why should they want equility with people who are idiots and they're just gonna lock themselves away and do there own thing anyways?

The X-Men going to high school, surrounded by regular kids, doing regular things, having normal teenage feelings, it just makes what they're fighting for seem that much more important. It shows that if they lose there struggle for mutant rights and equility, lose there battle to show the world there just like everybody else, there losing something important to them, not just bragging rights. Not to mention makes them seem that much more human.

[Blackstar]

I never understood this problem people have with the Evolution team being in a public high school. In my opinion that was the most refreshing thing about the show. As the poster above me said, the comics and the 90's series had a tendency to completely isolate the X-Men in there "fortress" and only come out and interact with "normal" people when it was time for a fight or someone was bothering them. Usually the only "normal" people they interacted with were extremist. Why should they want equility with people who are idiots and they're just gonna lock themselves away and do there own thing anyways?

The X-Men going to high school, surrounded by regular kids, doing regular things, having normal teenage feelings, it just makes what they're fighting for seem that much more important. It shows that if they lose there struggle for mutant rights and equility, lose there battle to show the world there just like everybody else, there losing something important to them, not just bragging rights. Not to mention makes them seem that much more human.


No offense to any XME fans, but the high school thing just didn't make sense to me. Why would the X-Men need to go to public school when they lived in a boarding school? It just came off to me like it was only done because XME's writers wanted to have public school drama on the show. I actually think that it would have been better not to incorporate a public school on the show, since the theme of school on kid vid shows has fallen into redundancy.

This is why season 1 of XME was so lame; it was mostly a showcase for the same generic teens-in-high-school stuff that we could on any teen show. I watch X-men to see mutants whaling on bad guys with their mutant powers, not to watch them stress over a school play or get a date for the prom. I don't want Degrassi in my X-Men.

[Silverstar]

I never understood this problem people have with the Evolution team being in a public high school. In my opinion that was the most refreshing thing about the show. As the poster above me said, the comics and the 90's series had a tendency to completely isolate the X-Men in there "fortress" and only come out and interact with "normal" people when it was time for a fight or someone was bothering them. Usually the only "normal" people they interacted with were extremist. Why should they want equility with people who are idiots and they're just gonna lock themselves away and do there own thing anyways?

The X-Men going to high school, surrounded by regular kids, doing regular things, having normal teenage feelings, it just makes what they're fighting for seem that much more important. It shows that if they lose there struggle for mutant rights and equility, lose there battle to show the world there just like everybody else, there losing something important to them, not just bragging rights. Not to mention makes them seem that much more human.


It's just that high school is such a cliche. Nearly every show aimed at kids and teens sets its' main action there, it's been done to death. Putting the mutants in high school just seemed like a contrived attempt to make the show appealing to today's youth. Kid Vid TV producers currently have this idee fixe that the only way to make characters appealing to kids is to turn them into teenagers and plonk them in high school, where they have to contend with bullies and crushes every show. I'm personally sick of it. Chances are you wouldn't care about the high school drama stories if you weren't in high school at the time, and not all high school kids want to see high school drama on the screen when they have to endure it in the flesh 5 days a week.

[xBlackWolfx]

It's just that high school is such a cliche. Nearly every show aimed at kids and teens sets its' main action there, it's been done to death. Chances are you wouldn't care about the high school drama stories if you weren't in high school at the time, and not all high school kids want to see high school drama on the screen when they have to endure it 5 days a week.

i dont see whats so bad about 'high school drama', but i never got to experience it myself being a pathetic outsider, so go figure (i've never even had a girlfriend in my life). but seriously, girls acting shy towards guys doesnt seem very annoying to me, nor would i classify that as drama. what exactly are they referring to anyway when they say 'high school drama'?

[Ian]

No offense to any XME fans, but the high school thing just didn't make sense to me. Why would the X-Men need to go to public school when they lived in a boarding school?

Because part of the process of having mutants co-exist peacefully with humans is actually having mutants co-exist with humans. Having mutants isolated from humans will only help foment mutant elitism and human's impresion of mutants as "the other", while having them co-exist at least helps put the lie into the idea that mutants are a menace, and gives the mutant a better idea of what their job will be as ambassadors for mutant-kind.

Or, to put it another way; if you want people to accept gay people as normal, you don't go around segregating them from the general population.

Xavier's school is there for mutants to learn control; normal schools are there for them to learn how to live.

[W.C.Reaf]

The high school setting really paid off in season 3 (Mainstream if I remember rightly) which did a lot with mutant rights that weren't really done in the other two X-men series. Having an entire episode just dedicated to whether or not they'd get kicked out of school just for being a mutant and nothing else really hits home the segregation issues and general persecution of mutants.

I think people harp on about the high school setting too much and make it seem like the show was all about that. The high school stories really weren't that big of a focus in the show and it was mainly used in B and C plots and hardly ever a main plot.

The writers used high school as a setting but mainly told character stories with the school as a way to tell those stories. There's a B plot in a season 1 episode where Cyclops and Rogue have to work on an assignment together but that's just a tool used to get them to interact with each other since Rogue was a member of the Brotherhood at the time. The assignment isn't important but it's used to get some great character moments off of those two characters which pays off later.

Edit: wow looking at the poll it's an even split between the shows.

[capfan1]

There is no doubt the animated series is much better than evolution!Evolution is a poor excuse of a superhero show,it was made for laughs i guess.lets compare,evolution had whiney teenage mutants attending public school and had horrible villian characters like avalanche,toad and scarlet witch who was really animated horribly.No action or fighting,a badly animated beast.The animated series stayed true to the heroes you know in the comic books,they had better guests,better drawn characters,better stories,better voiceovers,lets face it better everything!Thats why you can't compare the two,the animated series wins at everything.

[Silverstar]

(X-Men: TAS) stayed true to the heroes you know in the comic books,they had better guests,better drawn characters,better stories,better voiceovers,lets face it better everything!

Not better animation. I wasn't a huge fan of Evolution but I have no trouble admitting that XME's animation was head, shoulder, knees and toes above that of X-Men: TAS.


Anyone who prefers evolution over the animated series either has never watched the animated series or are not a marvel hero fan.

Whoa. That's a bit harsh, don't you think? I prefer X:TAS overall, but I'm not going to say that those who prefer Evo are somehow "misguided" or "not true Marvel fans" for feeling the way they do. I mean, I liked Super Hero Sqaud. What does that say about my Marvel fandom?


Evolution is a poor excuse of a superhero show,it was made for laughs i guess.

It's been a while since I've seen the show, but episodes like "On Angels' Wings", "Shadowed Past", "Power Surge" and the story arcs of seasons 3 and 4 didn't really strike as being all that 'laffy'.

[Blackstar]

Because part of the process of having mutants co-exist peacefully with humans is actually having mutants co-exist with humans. Having mutants isolated from humans will only help foment mutant elitism and human's impresion of mutants as "the other", while having them co-exist at least helps put the lie into the idea that mutants are a menace, and gives the mutant a better idea of what their job will be as ambassadors for mutant-kind.

Or, to put it another way; if you want people to accept gay people as normal, you don't go around segregating them from the general population.

Xavier's school is there for mutants to learn control; normal schools are there for them to learn how to live.


That's an interesting interpretation. Honestly, I would never have associated going to a special boarding school as a form of segregation. I don't recall there ever being a rule forbidding the mutants to associate with normal humans off campus, so XME's producers didn't need to have the X-Men go to a public high school to interact with humans; they could just leave school grounds for that.

To me, it would be like Harry Potter, Hermoine Granger and Ron Weasly living at Hogwarts but going to a normal school during the day. If you have one, you don't need the other.


There is no doubt the animated series is much better than evolution!Evolution is a poor excuse of a superhero show,it was made for laughs i guess.Anyone who prefers evolution over the animated series either has never watched the animated series or are not a marvel hero fan.lets compare,evolution had whiney teenage mutants attending public school and had horrible villian characters like avalanche,toad and scarlet witch who was really animated horribly.No action or fighting,a badly animated beast.The animated series stayed true to the heroes you know in the comic books,they had better guests,better drawn characters,better stories,better voiceovers,lets face it better everything!Thats why you can't compare the two,the animated series wins at everything.

I agree with some of the above, however, I'm no X-Men:Evolution fan, but I have to concede that XME was a much better animated show than X-Men:TAS was. The latter's animation wasn't great, even by 1994's standards.

As for XME being "made for laughs", I could understand someone saying that about XME's laughable 1st season, but not about the series as a whole. There were a few of the later XME episodes that were actually pretty dramatic. The problem was that for every "Day of Recovery", "Blind Alley" or "Under Lock and Key", there was a "Spyke Cam", a "Mutant Crush" or a "The Toad, the Witch and the Wardrobe".

[launchpad20]

It's just that high school is such a cliche. Nearly every show aimed at kids and teens sets its' main action there, it's been done to death. Putting the mutants in high school just seemed like a contrived attempt to make the show appealing to today's youth. Kid Vid TV producers currently have this idee fixe that the only way to make characters appealing to kids is to turn them into teenagers and plonk them in high school, where they have to contend with bullies and crushes every show. I'm personally sick of it. Chances are you wouldn't care about the high school drama stories if you weren't in high school at the time, and not all high school kids want to see high school drama on the screen when they have to endure it in the flesh 5 days a week.I agree that plucking the X-Men into a high school does seem like it's derived from the current thinking in TV animation these days. Especially since Xavier's institute is already a 'boarding school' to begin with. Still, 'Evolution' at least tried to be a decent series in it's own right, and it did start to get more dramatic, and more 'battle' oriented as the series progressed.

[Superboy Prime]

1990's X-men no doubt! I can barely stomach the new stuff.

[maczero]

i strongly prefer x-men evolution. why? it's relatable.

x-men have always had this 'discriminated minority' theme to it, but normally the x-men are a bunch of demi-gods who spend most of their loves isolated in their secret fortress. putting them out in the real world where they have to deal with it just like ordinary humans do actually makes it far easier to understand and relate to. i've noticed alot of ppl seem to criticize the show for not having all the absurd stuff you normally see in x-men comics: time travel, jean turning into a god, battles on the moon, etc... then and now one of the main appeals to me was that evolution didnt have all this, it was set in a far more realistic world, like the one i have to live in everyday. and i believe that's the reason it's the only series to have a lasting popularity, it brought the characters down to earth.This sums up perfectly why I prefer Evo to TAS.


No offense to any XME fans, but the high school thing just didn't make sense to me. Why would the X-Men need to go to public school when they lived in a boarding school? It just came off to me like it was only done because XME's writers wanted to have public school drama on the show. I actually think that it would have been better not to incorporate a public school on the show, since the theme of school on kid vid shows has fallen into redundancy.Could be Charlie couldn't afford the additional teaching staff.:D

[Barbossa]

Sorry 90s series fans but it seems that the nostalgia of that series is wearing thin.A couple of years ago the 90s series would win this poll easily.I was a big fan of the 90s show but Evo is just superior in every way.

[Trevor]

Even recently when I was rewatching Seasons 1 -3 of XME on DVD I was finding that the characters were not as interesting on XME as they were in [/i]X-Men[/i] (1992). And after a while I was getting tired of Toad, Avalanche, Blb and "Flash Gordon" there always trying to get the better of the X-Men in teenage pranks with mutant powers. (Not to mention the animation style of the series---it was decent, but nowhere as interesting as the 1992 series animation; that series was candy for the eye!)

Plus I wasn't enjoying how you would 9 or 10 episodes straight where the X-Men were just going up against the Brotherhood. Sure I realize that in the 1992 there were 4 or 5 part episodes that usually had the same "criminal" mutants, but then there would be a couple of episodes where they were standalone stories with different characters or it just focused on Wolverine or Cyclops and Jean.

Plus---what was up with the voice acting in XME? Wolverine sounded like he was from Texas or one of the lower States instead of from Canada. But I was also finding that a number of the voice actors were trying to make their character's voices sound very close to the 1992 voices or even the voices of the actors from the X-Men movies that XME never really managed to provide it self a vocal seperation between it and the 1992 series.

And considering that Season 3 was, really, the memorable season, while the other 3 seasons were forgettable and never panned out the way they were building up the stories, XME just isn't as easy to watch as the 1992 series where it grabs you from Night Of The Sentinels and pulls you into a 13 episode arc that sets up the political situation of the universe, introduces you to the main characters as well as their enemies and rivals, and helps you understand why they are sort of in the shadow's of society.

And in XME I never really got the reason why the X-Men needed to go to a public school when the Xavier Institute was suppose to be like a private school. Last I checked private schools usually offered schooling from Grade 1 to Grade 12/13.

[xBlackWolfx]

Even recently when I was rewatching Seasons 1 -3 of XME on DVD I was finding that the characters were not as interesting on XME as they were in [/i]X-Men[/i] (1992). And after a while I was getting tired of Toad, Avalanche, Blb and "Flash Gordon" there always trying to get the better of the X-Men in teenage pranks with mutant powers. (Not to mention the animation style of the series---it was decent, but nowhere as interesting as the 1992 series animation; that series was candy for the eye!)

Plus I wasn't enjoying how you would 9 or 10 episodes straight where the X-Men were just going up against the Brotherhood. Sure I realize that in the 1992 there were 4 or 5 part episodes that usually had the same "criminal" mutants, but then there would be a couple of episodes where they were standalone stories with different characters or it just focused on Wolverine or Cyclops and Jean.

Plus---what was up with the voice acting in XME? Wolverine sounded like he was from Texas or one of the lower States instead of from Canada. But I was also finding that a number of the voice actors were trying to make their character's voices sound very close to the 1992 voices or even the voices of the actors from the X-Men movies that XME never really managed to provide it self a vocal seperation between it and the 1992 series.

And considering that Season 3 was, really, the memorable season, while the other 3 seasons were forgettable and never panned out the way they were building up the stories, XME just isn't as easy to watch as the 1992 series where it grabs you from Night Of The Sentinels and pulls you into a 13 episode arc that sets up the political situation of the universe, introduces you to the main characters as well as their enemies and rivals, and helps you understand why they are sort of in the shadow's of society.

And in XME I never really got the reason why the X-Men needed to go to a public school when the Xavier Institute was suppose to be like a private school. Last I checked private schools usually offered schooling from Grade 1 to Grade 12/13.

unless you count the para-military training it's not really much of a school, it's more like a boarding house. the only real issue is how xavier explained why they lived at his 'school' but got their education elsewhere. i think he advertised it as a 'special' school where they could get extra credit in addition to their normal education, but i'm not 100% sure of that. besides, we've already discussed in earlier posts why the high school thing was a benefit to the storyline.

[BlackoutCreature]

No offense to any XME fans, but the high school thing just didn't make sense to me. Why would the X-Men need to go to public school when they lived in a boarding school?
Again, another complaint I keep reading about that I just don't understand. It seems perfectly obvious that Xavier's boarding school was to teach them how to use and control there mutant powers while the public high school was there for there general education. Or would you rather learn Math and Language Arts from Wolverine?

I mean, if you want to complain like the other posters that the high school setting was a cliche and you're not interested in seeing stories about high school kids and would rather have a straight, more traditional, superhero story, thats fine. I don't agree with that feeling, but I can respect and somewhat understand it. But this nitpicking about the boarding school/public school thing just seems like going out of your way to find something to complain about.

[launchpad20]

Again, another complaint I keep reading about that I just don't understand. It seems perfectly obvious that Xavier's boarding school was to teach them how to use and control there mutant powers while the public high school was there for there general education. Or would you rather learn Math and Language Arts from Wolverine?
Good point. Wolverine isn't the type of guy who would qualify for a teaching job since he already has his own issues to deal with. Jean, or Storm, maybe, but not Wolverine. He may give you some pointers, but from his own experience.
I mean, if you want to complain like the other posters that the high school setting was a cliche and you're not interested in seeing stories about high school kids and would rather have a straight, more traditional, superhero story, thats fine. I don't agree with that feeling, but I can respect and somewhat understand it. But this nitpicking about the boarding school/public school thing just seems like going out of your way to find something to complain about.Maybe Xavier's 'school' could be classified as some kind of 'mutant power training' class. Kinda like a karate class, or a swimming class that you go to after 'normal' school if that makes any sense. :shrug:

[maczero]

Again, another complaint I keep reading about that I just don't understand. It seems perfectly obvious that Xavier's boarding school was to teach them how to use and control there mutant powers while the public high school was there for there general education. Or would you rather learn Math and Language Arts from Wolverine?That's the real story but remember the fact that the students are mutants is a secret (at least for the first two seasons). So the obvious question for people who don't know the school's real purpose is why do Xavier students attend a public school when they actually live at a school. The show never came up with a cover story to this very obvious question.

Don't get me wrong, I prefer Evo but the school thing is a plot hole.

[Blackstar]

Again, another complaint I keep reading about that I just don't understand. It seems perfectly obvious that Xavier's boarding school was to teach them how to use and control there mutant powers while the public high school was there for there general education. Or would you rather learn Math and Language Arts from Wolverine?

I mean, if you want to complain like the other posters that the high school setting was a cliche and you're not interested in seeing stories about high school kids and would rather have a straight, more traditional, superhero story, thats fine. I don't agree with that feeling, but I can respect and somewhat understand it. But this nitpicking about the boarding school/public school thing just seems like going out of your way to find something to complain about.

While I can understand how a fan of XME would interpret the questioning of the series' logic as merely looking for an excuse to bash the show, I assure you that it's not the case at all. Keep in mind that the general public didn't know anything about mutants, let alone that there were mutants attending Bayville High until season 3, so if the general public knew nothing about human mutations, then why didn't any of them ever wonder why a group of kids went to a public school when they lived in a boarding school? You'd think that someone on the show would have stopped to wonder "What are those kids being taught at the Xavier Institute that they're not being taught at Bayville High?" Realistically, that should have aroused some suspicion amongst the general public, and since no on air explanation was ever given and this obvious fact was merely glossed over for 2 entire seasons, it remained a plot hole. Therefore, it's a legitimate nitpick.

And for the record, Wolverine does teach at Xavier Institute, he just teaches martial arts and self defense.

[dmxx116]

I'm going with X-Men over X-Men:Evolution but I do like X-Men:Evolution.

[Light Lucario]

I'm going to go with Evolution. I liked the 90's series and what I saw from my On Demand section of Disney XD, it is still fairly enjoyable. However, it also didn't feel like a great series. The animation, especially the colors, really was a bothersome when I first rewatched the series, the storylines and voice acting was melodramatic and I didn't think that a lot of the characters were that interesting to begin with. The only ones that I thought were interesting were Rogue, Gambit and maybe Magneto.

With Evolution, I thought that the action was better and most of the characters were likable and interesting to me. While I agree that the focus on school wasn't that great for the first couple of seasons and it possibly could have been reduced a bit, at least it was a unique way to start the series. It also did allow for the hatred against mutants to develop in a natural short of way than to have it already established prior to the series' start. I don't think that the 90's series was terrible by any means, but it doesn't seem to appeal to me as much as Evolution did. Oddly enough, I prefer Wolverine and the X-Men over Evolution, but that was mainly for the action and a better constructed storyline throughout the season.

[FlawedCoil82]

Sorry 90s series fans but it seems that the nostalgia of that series is wearing thin.A couple of years ago the 90s series would win this poll easily.I was a big fan of the 90s show but Evo is just superior in every way.

I know, it's frustrating to witness how people dislike something when it is "cool" to dislike it, but as soon as people start saying something actually is allowed to be "cool" now, then people start jumping on the bandwagon to try to make the minority the majority.

[xBlackWolfx]

I know, it's frustrating to witness how people dislike something when it is "cool" to dislike it, but as soon as people start saying something actually is allowed to be "cool" now, then people start jumping on the bandwagon to try to make the minority the majority.

that's how america has worked ever since the 60s (maybe earlier). sad as it is i doubt america's idiot culture is going to go away anytime soon.

besides, why are we sitting here criticizing each other's favorite shows? the point of this was to see which was more popular. it's not like anyone's going to switch sides here.

edit: btw, your home town is also my real name funny enough.

[MartianManhunter]

I can't say for sure, because I need to see more of the 90's show (IheartNetflix) And I just finished an Evolution episode from Netflix nearing the end of season two, I am enjoying the series, I remember having one tape and one DVD of the show as a kid and loving it, it's great. I intend to rent the 90s show and Wolverine and The X-Men as I haven't seen any of it yet.

[xBlackWolfx]

I can't say for sure, because I need to see more of the 90's show (IheartNetflix) And I just finished an Evolution episode from Netflix nearing the end of season two, I am enjoying the series, I remember having one tape and one DVD of the show as a kid and loving it, it's great. I intend to rent the 90s show and Wolverine and The X-Men as I haven't seen any of it yet.

you can watch the entire x-men evolution series for free on marvel's youtube page. bc they own it, it was uploaded with crystal quality instead of normal youtube quality. the only place where you can buy the entire series btw is on itunes apparently (the entire series has never been released onto DVD, just a few DVDs with three random episodes, the itunes downloads btw cost $15 per season, there's four)

btw, wolverine and the x-men suck, the only episode i've seen that i like is the one with gambit, odd considering it was done mostly by the same crew behind evolution, though after watching the final season on youtube just now i noticed they seemed to be losing their touch near the end...

[Anwar]

I never had a problem with the kids going to school but living at Xaviers'. I mean, when was the last time the comics ever showed it to be anything other than a training center for powers? No one had a problem with the Brotherhood living at their boarding house but going to High School.

And it was a better showing of how they had to interact with humans instead of being cloistered up in the Institute all the time. Even the comics have had some of the characters admit this. Sure, it's more dangerous to have them go around the "Human" world but co-existence was ALWAYS going to be a rough road from the get-go. Nothing will be accomplished by staying hidden in the Institute. Having Xaviers' be outed as a mutant home is also appreciated because it makes their struggles harder than if no one knows where they operate from.

Plus, EVO did a better job developing their villains. I mean, the TAS Brotherhood were...bleeh. Mystique was just Apocalypse's lackey, Sinister was 1-D (but competent), Apocalypse was just this "One appearance per season" mystery villain we never learned much about, and they completely forgot how vicious and ruthless Magneto could be (though this overly positive portrayal may have been intentional). The "Inner Circle" Club stunk as well.

[Silverstar]

I never had a problem with the kids going to school but living at Xaviers'. I mean, when was the last time the comics ever showed it to be anything other than a training center for powers? No one had a problem with the Brotherhood living at their boarding house but going to High School.

A boarding house isn't the same thing as a boarding school. The non-mutant populace didn't know the Institute was a training facility for mutant powers until the 3rd season, so it begs the unaddressed question: what did they think it was? Unless the general public believed that the Xavier Institute was just a big boarding house or an orphanage, that doesn't really hold water. Not saying your opinion is wrong, but the whole 'they live at a boarding school but attend public school' thing was a plot hole which was never properly explained.


And it was a better showing of how they had to interact with humans instead of being cloistered up in the Institute all the time. Even the comics have had some of the characters admit this. Sure, it's more dangerous to have them go around the "Human" world but co-existence was ALWAYS going to be a rough road from the get-go. Nothing will be accomplished by staying hidden in the Institute. Having Xaviers' be outed as a mutant home is also appreciated because it makes their struggles harder than if no one knows where they operate from.No one ever said the the teens had to stay sequestered at the Institute all the time. As was mentioned previously, they could go off-campus at any time after school sessions to socialize with the local townies. They didn't have to be enrolled in public school for human interaction.

[Anwar]

I dunno, having them be at High School to keep an eye on the Brotherhood members there seems reasonable enough to attend.

[Trevor]

I dunno, having them be at High School to keep an eye on the Brotherhood members there seems reasonable enough to attend.

One problem though, the pilot made it sound pretty clear that Jean and Scott were both attending Bayville High before the Brotherhood was even around. Sure there was Toad...but really Mystique was doing the same thing as Xavier, trying to find the mutants. The whole school thing doesn't exactly fit into why the kids were going to a boarding school. That's like saying that you are sending your kid to a private boarding school miles away, but expecting them to attend a regular high school???????? What's the point, why not just send them to a public high school in your area?

[Nygma]

One problem though, the pilot made it sound pretty clear that Jean and Scott were both attending Bayville High before the Brotherhood was even around. Sure there was Toad...but really Mystique was doing the same thing as Xavier, trying to find the mutants. The whole school thing doesn't exactly fit into why the kids were going to a boarding school. That's like saying that you are sending your kid to a private boarding school miles away, but expecting them to attend a regular high school???????? What's the point, why not just send them to a public high school in your area?

Bayville High was probably the only high school in that area, for all we know. Personally I always found the high school to feel like a waste of time in seasons 1-2. Mystique as the principal felt like a head scratcher. Why was she the principal there to begin with anyways?

The boarding school was intended as a place for the brotherhood to stay at. They have to stay somewhere after all. And Xavier's school was intended to help the younger children-teenagers cope with their powers and learn how to use them responsibly.

[Silverstar]

The boarding school was intended as a place for the brotherhood to stay at. They have to stay somewhere after all. And Xavier's school was intended to help the younger children-teenagers cope with their powers and learn how to use them responsibly.

'Tis true, but like Rome, all roads keep leading back to the same question: what did the general public think the Xavier Institute was? The non-mutants didn't know that the Institute was a training facility for young mutants (or even that mutants existed and were walking among us) until the mutants were publicly outed in season 3. So logically, it should've struck someone as curious that all these kids were staying there but were clearly not learning anything academic, since they also attended public school. If the general populace weren't aware that the Xavier Institute was training ground for mutants, what was the cover? What did Xavier and the other adult mutants tell the average non-mutant that the purpose of the school was, since mutancy was kept under wraps for the first 2 seasons? Passing Xavier's off as a regular boarding school (like in the comics) would've been plausible, but having them live at one institution while attending another was just...odd, I imagine it would especially seem odd to an outside observer who didn't know the truth.

[Nygma]

'Tis true, but like Rome, all roads keep leading back to the same question: what did the general public think the Xavier Institute was? The non-mutants didn't know that the Institute was a training facility for young mutants (or even that mutants existed and were walking among us) until the mutants were publicly outed in season 3. So logically, it should've struck someone as curious that all these kids were staying there but were clearly not learning anything academic, since they also attended public school. If the general populace weren't aware that the Xavier Institute was training ground for mutants, what was the cover? What did Xavier and the other adult mutants tell the average non-mutant that the purpose of the school was, since mutancy was kept under wraps for the first 2 seasons? Passing Xavier's off as a regular boarding school (like in the comics) would've been plausible, but having them live at one institution while attending another was just...odd, I imagine it would especially seem odd to an outside observer who didn't know the truth.

To the public, it was a school "for the gifted", just like in the movies; where Xavier explained that "To the public, the school was there for "gifted youngsters"" even when mutants were public knowledge. It's possible that some people DID ask themselves what it really was, but chances are Xavier erased any memories that might have gotten too close to the truth and IF they could become a potential problem. He did it many times in the first 2 seasons (as did Jean) so it wouldn't be too much to expect that he did it off screen to.

[Trevor]

To the public, it was a school "for the gifted", just like in the movies; where Xavier explained that "To the public, the school was there for "gifted youngsters"" even when mutants were public knowledge. It's possible that some people DID ask themselves what it really was, but chances are Xavier erased any memories that might have gotten too close to the truth and IF they could become a potential problem. He did it many times in the first 2 seasons (as did Jean) so it wouldn't be too much to expect that he did it off screen to.

Yeah people might've asked themselves that, but really they were probably asking themselves "Is it really a boarding school for musicians/mathematicians?" which really makes no sense, since aside from the older students who are maybe heading for college and university, it might make sense that it is a school for those students, but having students as young as 9 or 10...personally I've never heard of a boarding school like that.

But even with the older students most people would wonder why the parent's were not sending them to a school that tutor's math or teaches music in their town.

In other words the whole premise behind having the X-Men at the Xavier Institute in X-Men Evolution makes zero sense.

[Nygma]

But even with the older students most people would wonder why the parent's were not sending them to a school that tutor's math or teaches music in their town.

In other words the whole premise behind having the X-Men at the Xavier Institute in X-Men Evolution makes zero sense.

Maybe cause there wasn't a "school" in their area that could meet their child's "conditions", it's as simple as that.

[Trevor]

Maybe cause there wasn't a "school" in their area that could meet their child's "conditions", it's as simple as that.


That's quite a stretch, especially considering that the students were not all from the Eastern US/Canada seaboard area. As I recall Nightcrawler was from outside North America as well.

[xBlackWolfx]

That's quite a stretch, especially considering that the students were not all from the Eastern US/Canada seaboard area. As I recall Nightcrawler was from outside North America as well.

why didnt we think of that? most of xavier's students arent native to bayville (and some of them even come from other countries) so he could just tell everyone that it was a boarding house for people who didnt live in the area.

[Barbossa]

Wow people are still complaining about this same stuff.How exactly does this affect the quality of the show? No one has explained to me why there are no students at all in the mansion in the 90s show,now thats something that does not make any sense

[Trevor]

Wow people are still complaining about this same stuff.How exactly does this affect the quality of the show? No one has explained to me why there are no students at all in the mansion in the 90s show,now thats something that does not make any sense

By the time of the 90's series I think Xavier's School for the Gifted was more a counselling place where mutants could go inorder to be taught how to use their powers correctly. In Mutant Agenda Spider-Man went there looking for a cure to his disease because he had been told that Xavier was the top expert in the mutant gene, but Xavier basically said that he was a counsellor.

[W.C.Reaf]

Wow people are still complaining about this same stuff.How exactly does this affect the quality of the show? No one has explained to me why there are no students at all in the mansion in the 90s show,now thats something that does not make any sense

Like how Jubilee was supposed to be getting taught how to control her powers yet we never see any of that and she's still in the same place power wise in the last episode as the first.

We never actually saw anything school like happen at the school other than the Danger Room for random combat training.

At least in Evo they did make a point to show other training efforts than the Danger Room and actually showing the DR with actual team building training and other stuff.

[Barbossa]

Xavier's whole mansion a counselling place.That's quite a stretch.So if young mutants need help and a place to stay, Xavier will tell them they can't stay in his mansion because its now a counselling place

[xBlackWolfx]

Xavier's whole mansion a counselling place.That's quite a stretch.So if young mutants need help and a place to stay, Xavier will tell them they can't stay in his mansion because its now a counselling place

even so, why wouldnt he let them stay considering that his is the only place like it in the world, as mentioned earlier people come to him from all over the world. kurt is from europe, logan's from canada, ororo is from kenya, piotr (or colosus) is from russia, rogue is from louisiana or some place deep in the south. i know most of these characters didnt come to him for 'councelling' in the comics, but for most of them that appears to be the sole reason in the show.

[RoguefanAM]

I really liked both. But I have to give the nod to TAS for the awesome witty dialogue. It's corny, but if you pay attention there's some real work there. The villains speeches felt epic and imposing, with a shred of truth here and there to make you think. From the main cast, Beast in particular quotes some appropriate lines from famous philosophers, writers, and the like. And to round it out, when they're not being cheesy, some genuine good comedy quips from Wolverine/Rogue/Gambit.

I thought the voice actors were good. When I read the comics, it's the voice of these VA's that I think of now when I read the characters dialogue. Even some of the not-so-good VA's left an impression (or is it more the writer responsible for their horrible dialogue?), like Storm's over-dramatic expositions and Jean's wimpy cries of "SCOTT!11!".

The animation is really cringe-worthy, but I liked the art. All the characters looked really similar to their comic counterparts, so no real complaints there.

As for Evolution, their animation of course was superior. I really liked the redesigns after awhile. As a Rogue fan, I was actually pretty hateful of the change. I thought Evo Rogue was going to turn out like Movie Rogue (a useless crybaby), but no. She was somewhat competent and no damsel-in-distress. I did miss her Ms Marvel powers, at times, but she was powerful in her own right. And her tomboy attitude won me over.

The only thing I outright didn't like was Storm's reshuffling in the cast. She and Hank were given teacher roles, and effectively side-lined. I don't care about Hank, but I missed Ororo. She's my second favorite X-Man. Jean being a decent character in this series kind of made up for that (instead of the joke that was TAS Jean), but I would've preferred that Ororo had an expanded role.

The High School aspect was decent. I liked how the writers used it to more effectively portray the themes of segregation and discrimination. They did a good job with Kurt, too, and how being able to hide being a mutant contrasted with being out and about. But what I liked more was how the mansion actually felt like a school. In TAS, they were all adults. You didn't really get the feeling they were really learning how to control their powers or learning anything. They were more like an activist group and private army. Which isn't bad, but the X-verse offers a bit more variety than just that. In Evolution, the tone was different. They did super-heroics, but it was also apparent the kids were learning too. Like the scene with Jean helping Amara control her powers, along with others. I think the inclusion of the new students in season 2 (Iceman, Jubilee, and the rest) really helped with the atmosphere of the Institute actually being an Institute.

I already voted, but as you can see it was a hard choice. I think Evolution told better stories, but TAS really cemented the X-men in the television media. And in my heart...*snorts* ;D

Both get a 9.5/10 from me, though.

[cuon]

X-Men TAS by a wide margin.

Evolution was just too much high school silliness for me, I thought slater and screech might show up in animated form at any moment. The fact they took Rogue and stripped her strength and flight powers to make her more resemble the horribly lame movie version was just unforgivable.

TAS was a real superhero cartoon that did a good job of adapting the comics stories. They had better fights, better plots, a badass superstrong Rogue, 90s X-men wins hands down.

[W.C.Reaf]

The fact they took Rogue and stripped her strength and flight powers to make her more resemble the horribly lame movie version was just unforgivable.

The show was produced before the movie came out so taking away the Ms Marvel powers was done for story purposes not to tie to the movie.

[Silverstar]

The fact they took Rogue and stripped her strength and flight powers to make her more resemble the horribly lame movie version was just unforgivable.

Rogue didn't have the Ms. Marvel powers in Evo because she had already lost those powers in the comics by the time the show was made. Like W.C. said, it wasn't done to tie in to the movie.

[xBlackWolfx]

why's it even matter what they can and cant do? the point is the characters and the story. though i do admit rogue seemed to be pretty useless to me in a fight, she really shined once she managed to touch someone, but until that point she was helpless. but honestly? i seriously doubt i'd relate to her so well if she had superman-like powers. superman's lame and there's way way too many characters with his overwhelming power set (superstrength, flight, energy blast).

edit: but now that i think about it, she does gain those abilities at the end of the series, when she gains the ability to use any power that she had previously absorbed, so she had flight (from jean and magneto and storm) energy blast (cyclops) and superstrength (colossus). of course she also had duplication, teleportation, phasing, superspeed, a prehensile tongue (lol), etc.... so w/e

[Blackstar]

why's it even matter what they can and cant do? the point is the characters and the story. though i do admit rogue seemed to be pretty useless to me in a fight, she really shined once she managed to touch someone, but until that point she was helpless. but honestly? i seriously doubt i'd relate to her so well if she had superman-like powers. superman's lame and there's way way too many characters with his overwhelming power set (superstrength, flight, energy blast).

Respectfully, I must disagree. Superman is not lame and if handled properly, Supes could easily be utilized for new movie or TV series. And in regards to there being "too many characters with Superman's power set", you'll find that there's very little in fiction which hasn't been done a thousand times already. Look at how many wanna be Batmen and Wolverines that are running around now. It's not always what you have, but what you do with it that's important. Rogue doesn't necessarily need to have Ms. Marvel's powers, but Ms. M isn't lame either. As previously stated, Rogue didn't have Ms. Marvel's powers in XME because she no longer had them in the comics at that time. Also, Rogue never had energy blasts when she had the Ms. Marvel package.

[SKDarkDragon]

All that aside, the premise of X-men: Evolution was most of the teen characters discovering their powers for the first time in a world relatively uninhabited by any known "superpowered" beings. In order for Rogue to have those extra powers, there's backstory that needs to be told. It makes much more sense to have her powers bare-bones in the beginning. Also, it fits more with the show's setting, and keeps the inner-conflict of the character more focused.

I'll admit that I do not know who Ms. Marvel is other than her connection to Rogue, but I'm not sure if that character or plot (Rogue taking on her powers) would fit within X-men: Evo's storyline. They did explore Rogue's abilities as a superpowered person twice: once in "Self Possessed," and the second time at the end of the 3rd season when she was controlled by Mesmero.

Rogue was my favorite character in the series, and I never felt like she was useless. Sure, she couldn't run into a fight slinging energy beams, and she had to be more protective of herself, but I thought that forced her to be more clever, and she utilized her enemies' abilities (and sometimes her teammates') to her advantage on numerous occasions. Not to mention, she was tough in her own right.

[Silverstar]

I'll admit that I do not know who Ms. Marvel is other than her connection to Rogue, but I'm not sure if that character or plot (Rogue taking on her powers) would fit within X-men: Evo's storyline.

If you're curious to learn more about Ms. M, read this (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ms._Marvel).

In regards to whether a Ms. Marvel powered Rogue would've worked on Evo, it's possible, but like SKDarkDragon said, it wouldn't have made much sense to begin the series with Rogue having that additional power set, since the core characters began the series as kids first manifesting their mutant powers; it would've required back story as to how she would've received them, and since the Evo writers didn't seem to want a lot of crossing over with other Marvel heroes, it would seem to have been something they consciously chose to avoid. We did get a glimpse of a flying Rogue in one flash-forward in "Ascension", implying that she may sometime after the series have acquired the Ms. Marvel set, or perhaps the flying powers of some other character.

[FlawedCoil82]

Rogue didn't have the Ms. Marvel powers in Evo because she had already lost those powers in the comics.

And that was mistake #473,952 on Marvel Comic's hellbent mission to destroy every last appealing thing about the X-Men since they was obviously terrified of the huge success they had uncovered with the 90's X-Men, and thus had to find countless ways to humble and bring the X-Men back down to utterly boring status since the mighty monster they had created was getting far too big.

Marvel really just needs to stop with their diabolical goal of disgracing the X-Men and make a spin-off comic that concentrates solely on the 90's version of the team for those of us who recognized the pure golden (and far too quickly lost) potential in that version of the X-Men. Until they do, things will only continue to get worse and worse in the comics, thus oozing down into the animated shows as well.

[Barbossa]

The think the reason Rogue was flying at the very end of Evolution was done just to make 90s fans happy .There is a good reason why Rogue has not had those Ms Marvel powers in recent comics and animation.Its because they are so boring all she does is fly and punch stuff

[Silverstar]

The think the reason Rogue was flying at the very end of Evolution was done just to make 90s fans happy.

Well, obviously. I personally had a fangasm when I saw that.


There is a good reason why Rogue has not had those Ms Marvel powers in recent comics and animation. Its because they are so boring all she does is fly and punch stuffIf "flying and punching stuff" is boring, the explain why Iron Man, Ms. Marvel, Thor, Sentry, Superman, Captain Marvel, Wonder Woman, Son Goku and the many other heroes who fly and punch stuff are so popular.

My guess is that the comics writers wanted to utilize Rogue's natural mutant power more, and they felt they could focus on that better if she didn't posses the additional powers; I doubt it had anything to do with anyone thinking those powers were boring, because they certainly are not.

On paper, Bouncing Boy and Brainiac 5 (of the Legion of Super Heroes) would seem to possess 2 of the least impressive powers on record: bouncing like a ball and being really smart, respectively. But each of them proved to be among the Legion's most popular and engaging characters and each were/are fan favorites. So it's not what powers a character has, but rather what is done with those powers that matters.

[Trevor]

And that was mistake #473,952 on Marvel Comic's hellbent mission to destroy every last appealing thing about the X-Men since they was obviously terrified of the huge success they had uncovered with the 90's X-Men, and thus had to find countless ways to humble and bring the X-Men back down to utterly boring status since the mighty monster they had created was getting far too big.



I remember when I first saw the first X-Men movie on VHS. I had no idea who Rogue was since she didn't have her flying powers and I was wondering who this girl was with Wolverine and why they had stuck her in the movie when she wasn't in the least bit interesting.

When I first saw that movie the only experience with X-Men that I had had was a couple of game on the NES and Genesis, maybe 1 or 2 X-Men comic books and the 1992 TV series.

[Blackstar]

The think the reason Rogue was flying at the very end of Evolution was done just to make 90s fans happy .There is a good reason why Rogue has not had those Ms Marvel powers in recent comics and animation.Its because they are so boring all she does is fly and punch stuff

Traditional, yes. Boring, no.

Those powers have been utilized a lot in the world of comic book super heroes because they're instantly recognizable and don't require a ton of explanation. If flying and punching stuff is so boring, then why do so many comic book writers keep coming back to it over and over again? Here are just a few super heroes who have utilized this power package:



Superman
Wonder Woman
Captain Marvel
The Powerpuff Girls
Goku and all of the Z fighters
Ms. Marvel
Sentry

Not a bore among them. Super heroes milking the "dark, brooding, angry, tormented" thing is being done a lot right now, but I don't hear anyone calling that motif boring. Powers alone don't make a super hero boring. It only matters what sort of use that the characters get from utilizing their powers. Not every super hero has to be able to fly and fire energy from their hands, but not every super hero has to not have those powers either. It's a little thing called "variety".

[Silverstar]

I remember when I first saw the first X-Men movie on VHS. I had no idea who Rogue was since she didn't have her flying powers and I was wondering who this girl was with Wolverine and why they had stuck her in the movie when she wasn't in the least bit interesting.

Movie Rogue was weak sauce, but let's be fair: she was lame there because of bad writing and execution, not because she couldn't fly. Also, as in XME, Rogue was just a kid in the movies, so it just made more sense to start her at the 'bare bones' level of her powers rather than start off with her the additional powers, as that would've required additional back story and the writers would've also had to introduce Carol Danvers (Ms. Marvel) into the movie's universe, and the presence of additional super-beings might have taken viewers out of the story.

Evolution and to a lesser extent Wolverine & the X-Men managed to do decent things with Rogue without the benefit of the Ms. Marvel package. As a 90's X-fan, I think it would've been cool to see Rogue with those powers on XME or W&tXM, but in each case it's not like she needed them to be an effective or appealing character.

[cuon]

Rogue didn't have the Ms. Marvel powers in Evo because she had already lost those powers in the comics by the time the show was made. Like W.C. said, it wasn't done to tie in to the movie.

Rogue still had the ms marvel powers when the movie came out. She lost them in the comics to keep her character simialr in the comics and on the big screen, and that's why she didn't have them in Evo either.
They wanted to keep her recognizable to any new fans that the movie might produce.
Unfortunately in doing so, they completely obliterated a large part of what made the character so enjoyable in the first place.

[xBlackWolfx]

And that was mistake #473,952 on Marvel Comic's hellbent mission to destroy every last appealing thing about the X-Men since they was obviously terrified of the huge success they had uncovered with the 90's X-Men, and thus had to find countless ways to humble and bring the X-Men back down to utterly boring status since the mighty monster they had created was getting far too big.

Marvel really just needs to stop with their diabolical goal of disgracing the X-Men and make a spin-off comic that concentrates solely on the 90's version of the team for those of us who recognized the pure golden (and far too quickly lost) potential in that version of the X-Men. Until they do, things will only continue to get worse and worse in the comics, thus oozing down into the animated shows as well.

it's obvious that alot of ppl liked evolution so i dont think it counts as a failure. wolverine and the x-men might, but that's solely bc of bad writing, not bc of what the characters could or couldnt do.

[Trevor]

Evolution and to a lesser extent Wolverine & the X-Men managed to do decent things with Rogue without the benefit of the Ms. Marvel package. As a 90's X-fan, I think it would've been cool to see Rogue with those powers on XME or W&tXM, but in each case it's not like she needed them to be an effective or appealing character.

In WATXM it was nice that the writer's gave her the defection storyline, since she was able to do something that didn't involve the X-Men, but once she rejoined the X-Men, I just felt that the writer's really weren't able to get any good storylines involving her going again. That was something that the 90's series was able to do, since when she had the flight ability in the 90's series she was able to leave the team and search for mutants or a lost child, whatever, and still have people wondering how she was doing and whether she had completed her mission. And the producers were able to make her feel like a member of the team.

Unfortunately in EVO and WATXM (after the defection stoy wrapped up) Rogue just felt like an extra in both series and she was a really uninteresting character that was just stuck in there because the producers felt that the people familiar with the comics wanted to see her in those series. Aside from the aforementione storyline, Rogue could've easily been left out of both shows and the stories would not have been heavily affected.

[W.C.Reaf]

In WATXM it was nice that the writer's gave her the defection storyline, since she was able to do something that didn't involve the X-Men, but once she rejoined the X-Men, I just felt that the writer's really weren't able to get any good storylines involving her going again. That was something that the 90's series was able to do, since when she had the flight ability in the 90's series she was able to leave the team and search for mutants or a lost child, whatever, and still have people wondering how she was doing and whether she had completed her mission. And the producers were able to make her feel like a member of the team.

Unfortunately in EVO and WATXM (after the defection stoy wrapped up) Rogue just felt like an extra in both series and she was a really uninteresting character that was just stuck in there because the producers felt that the people familiar with the comics wanted to see her in those series. Aside from the aforementione storyline, Rogue could've easily been left out of both shows and the stories would not have been heavily affected.

:confused:

Rogue had much more stories involving her in Evo than in XTAS or WatX (which could be attributed to WatX having less eps than Evo). For season 1 she's manipulated into joining the Brotherhood and the middle of the season is an arc about her finding out she's been manipulated and made a mistake. In season 3 there's an episode dedicated to her loosing control her powers and all the personalities in her head coming out and wreaking havoc, and in the season final she's mind controlled into releasing Apocalypse and kicks both the X-Men and Brotherhoods butts. Then in the final season she's the one who saves the world (not to mention has an episode to herself when Gambit kidnaps her).

That's not even going into all the subplots, character developments pieces, and episodes where she's a big part of the plot but not the main focus.

Compare that to her small amount of solo episodes in XTAS and lack of any real subplots or involvement in big stories (Phoenix stories or Beyond Good and Evil). In that show she's being sidelined for bigger stories instead of the character arcs and development she gets in the other two shows.

[maczero]

And that was mistake #473,952 on Marvel Comic's hellbent mission to destroy every last appealing thing about the X-Men since they was obviously terrified of the huge success they had uncovered with the 90's X-Men, and thus had to find countless ways to humble and bring the X-Men back down to utterly boring status since the mighty monster they had created was getting far too big.

Marvel really just needs to stop with their diabolical goal of disgracing the X-Men and make a spin-off comic that concentrates solely on the 90's version of the team for those of us who recognized the pure golden (and far too quickly lost) potential in that version of the X-Men. Until they do, things will only continue to get worse and worse in the comics, thus oozing down into the animated shows as well.That's just your opinion. It's obvious from this thread and the show's ratings that a lot of people liked Evo.

Rogue was my favorite character in the series, and I never felt like she was useless. Sure, she couldn't run into a fight slinging energy beams, and she had to be more protective of herself, but I thought that forced her to be more clever, and she utilized her enemies' abilities (and sometimes her teammates') to her advantage on numerous occasions. Not to mention, she was tough in her own right.Agreed.

[JTMarsh]

I grew up with the 90s Rogue, but between EVO & WATXM, let me just say one thing: Rogue had a better character design in EVO than she did in WATXM (trying to make her look like Anna Pacquin in WATXM was not a good idea).

[xBlackWolfx]

I grew up with the 90s Rogue, but between EVO & WATXM, let me just say one thing: Rogue had a better character design in EVO than she did in WATXM (trying to make her look like Anna Pacquin in WATXM was not a good idea).

fully agreed, she was hideous in watxm. the first time i saw her in evolution, i thought she was coolest looking character ever. i had just become a goth at that time lol.

[Anwar]

Heck, the Goth look isn't that far removed from the Punk Rocker look she had in the mid-to-late 80s.

[Miyamoto Musashi]

X-Men Evolution is one of the most entertaining cartoons I ever watched, Storm has a far superior design there to the one from X-Men: TAS, so does Wolverine, his costume there is better than the Yellow & Brown version, cause it isn't yellow

X-Men: TAS is good, but it didn't give me enough of Kurt, it fails there, and instead there's Jubilee, and I like Jubilee

[Barbossa]

Lets not forget the lack of the Brotherhood,ScarletWitch,Colussus,IcemanShadowcat,QuickSilver,Im also going say the Sentinals ,because what we got in that 90s show was a joke.Good thing Evolution and WATXM gave us real Sentinals

[Wonderwall]

Lets not forget the lack of the Brotherhood,ScarletWitch,Colussus,IcemanShadowcat,QuickSilver,Im also going say the Sentinals ,because what we got in that 90s show was a joke.Good thing Evolution and WATXM gave us real Sentinals

I'll give you Evolution but I thought the Sentinels were jokes in WaTXM as well. At least X men the Sentinels made me laugh, while in WATXM I was always trying to figure out what they were saying half the time as their speech was always muffled.

[Barbossa]

lol,the Sentinals in WATXM always say destroy.If you want funny Sentinals you should see the episode called Rover.Now Rover was fun he was also a badass,Im sure he could take down most of the 90s Sentinals on his own.

[Wonderwall]

lol,the Sentinals in WATXM always say destroy.If you want funny Sentinals you should see the episode called Rover.Now Rover was fun he was also a badass,Im sure he could take down most of the 90s Sentinals on his own.

Oh I saw Rover...and hated every second of it:sweat:. But Rover himself was pretty cool and yes he would've tooled the Sentinels in the old show..hell a slight breeze could have beaten the 90s Sentinels.

[Miyamoto Musashi]

I really enjoyed what I watched of Evolution long ago I decided to collect it, and I finally did
I enjoyed the little I saw of X-Men:TAS, but not enough to decide to watch more, so how about collecting it?
Iceman is my favorite X-Man, he has more role in Evolution, so this is a plus side for that show
Also, it got to do the Phoenix & Dark Phoenix arcs while Evo didn't even make any hints about it until the endI watched the series recently, Evo actually used the Phoenix powers in episode 2 of season 2