Least Favorite Fanships?

[Nikkolas]

Mind you this is all opinion - no need to think the Internet or fictional couples are serious business.

It's just that I'm sure I'm not the only one who sees certain characters in anime/manga they like placed together and doesn't get the appeal.

This is about which pairings you particularly don't like.

So...I'll start.

I gotta say, after learning about Sasori's character by watching Shippuden, all the pairings of him and Deidara re kinda creepy.

In fact, any pairing with him is creepy.

Not only is he incapable of physical feeling, he has almost zero emotion. The manner in which he died was obviously supposed to represent he had only the tiniest smidge of humanity left in him.

So we have a guy made of wood, who wouldn't even vaguely enjoy intimacy and he's also an apathetic bordering on misanthropic death-seeker.

Yeah..a pairing with him doesn't work at all.

[GWOtaku]

Ulquiorra and Orihime in Bleach. That is the worst one for me without a doubt. It makes no sense whatsoever. I don't care how cool anyone thinks he is or whether he's the best Espada in Bleach. This villain puts the poor girl through enormous suffering.

I wouldn't say it's a least favorite pairing but to me, Minmay/Minmei was always the inferior partner for Hikaru/Rick as opposed to Misa/Lisa in Macross/Robotech. Misa understood him better than Minmay did, I thought, while being more mature and not needy. I may alter my opinion after making it through the entire SDF Macross series though, as my opinion is currently significantly molded by the Robotech adaptation. I also acknowledge that, to me, the love triangle appears to be more balanced in the reinterpretation that is the Do You Remember Love? movie.

[garfield15]

UlquiorraXOrihime is freaking stupid. As is IchigoXRukia. Not like Studio Pierott is helping that at all. :sweat:

Shipping Luffy with...anybody just doesn't really work for me these days. Yeah, I'll admit, I used to be kinda LuffyXNami during the early days but definitely not now.

[Zilch]

I have to agree with Ulquiorra x Orihime. I'm also not a fan of Naruto x Sasuke, Kiba x Hinata, Lelouch x C.C, and Matt x Sora.

I really dislike the completely random pairings that make no sense at all. Gaara x Hinata? I mean, really? They haven't spoken to each other not once in the entire series!*

*At least not in any Part 1 canon material.

[Beat]

While I don't mind One Piece pairings and have my preferences, it occupies a strange space for me because I am completely non-biased about it. The Silver Age-esque storytelling seems to mellow me out on that front. (And I mean that in as lovingly a way possible)

Pairings I can't stand? NaruHina, front and center. This pairing is a ridiculous one-sided crush at best, bashing of Naruto the character at worst. "You suck, so you get the one person who's a bigger loser than you! And if you don't like it, we'll want you killed off!"

I use it to poke fun sometimes, but UlqHime has a disturbing Twilight esque abuse vibe to it. "You hurt me so much, but I love it!" Creepy.

Any yaoi fanpairing tends to go into head bashing territory. Look, if the character is canoically gay, fine. That's the author's choice. But he's not going to swap spit with a dude if he likes girls.

[Grave]

Any and every pairing what-so-friggin-ever.

[RonDrakenfan17]

MattxSora-Digimon.
It didn't make sense at all. some scenes here and there.
All the entire time TaixSora seemed more logical, even in series 2 it did.
It had way more hints in series 1 and in series 2, you could feel so bad for Tai, he even grew as a character. It would have made more sense for Sora, have just a fling with Matt but realize all along she's been in love with Tai. Honestly, it came out of no where.

DicexMakio-Dragon Drive.
Poor guy never had a chance with her, never saw any chemistry between these two either.

YuixTamahome-Fushigi Yugi.
Worst iddea ever. Every time scenes came between these two characters I wanted to throw some thing at the screen. I hated Yui loads, I wanted to strangle her for trying to hit on him >>

OrihimexIchigo-Bleach.
I really don't like the character Orihime. She's so weak and screams Ichigo's name way too many times.
I think he should be with some one on his same power and just as strong as he is when it comes to battles.

SakuraxNaruto-Naruto.
Sakura in a way is the same as Orihime, only coming a bit stronger a bit.
Plus she's too hung up on Saskue, even now. I just don't think its going to work in the future.
Even if Saskue died, Naruto would be left overs. Which is some thing I assume he wouldn't want.

There's more I'm sure, these are my top loathed ships.

There's more I'm sure but these are the tops I can name.

[RockmanDash]

ICHIGOXRUKIA

No I won't go extreme and bash this couple to the very dirt it is but really. They are NOT A COUPLE PEOPLE, PIERROT JUST WANTS YOU TO THINK THAT!!!(for mostly the ratings >_>) Honestly if Tite Kubo says they are just friends just believe they are just friends. Orihime has a better chance at Ichigo than Rukia. And no, Fade to Black is not a shipping movie, no matter how many times you look at it.

*cough* I'm done. =)

Actually to make it even more clear, Ichigo is not even into the whole relationship thing at the moment, as said by Tite Kubo as well.

[zoombie]

This is strictly non canon ships?

I agree with you about OrihimexUlquiora - the guy is a boarderline rapiest. And just because he is kind of a emo, that makes it okay. Nothing romantic about that, sorry Generial Hospital. Why not ship LolyxOrihimexMenoly, they have been as romantic as Ulquiora is you go by those standards, actully that would be kind of hot. LOL

UsagixSeyia (Sailor Moon) - how many fan fics do I find about them. Ms. Naoko Takeuchi has made it clear that Usagi and Mamoru are destined to be together. Have some respect for the creator's vision. That ship is one of the main points of the series, I hate fans that just push aside the creator vision, why even follow the series.

Just angers me as much ZukoxKatara ship on Avatar: The Last Airbender even after their creators have stated AangxKatara romance is the DNA of the show. If you don't like the creators vision, why are you a fan? IchigoxOrihime is Tite Kubo's ship, but not a big part of the series. Ichigo romance partner is not that important to the plot, but when the main romance is such a huge part of the plot, and fans change it around, it is not the same show.

[Nikkolas]

It shouldn't take Kubo outright saying it for people to know Ichigo isn't really interested in girls that way. It's a canon plot point that any time something sexual comes up he gets all Chaste Hero.

SOME people would give their right arm to be near Yoruichi when she's naked but he has tot ell her to put clothes on.
Bloody idiot.

[veemonjosh]

Actually to make it even more clear, Ichigo is not even into the whole relationship thing at the moment, as said by Tite Kubo as well.


Yeah, the poor guy even becomes a total wuss if any girl tries to hit on him/undress in front of him. It's not even that he's not into it, he's afraid of a relationship.

Which, I have read fan speculation that this may be psychologically connected to the death of his mother, the closest woman in his life. He doesn't want to become too attached to anyone for fear of losing them (which also goes into his urgency of protecting Rukia and Orihime).

[garfield15]

^^Considering that Orihime looks like a younger version of his mom, that's some crazy Evangelion psychoanalyic stuff going on up in here.

Can I say I hate NegiXAnybody that's not Nodoka? :p (I am seriouly NegiNodo. Those two are just perfect IMO)

[zoombie]

It shouldn't take Kubo outright saying it for people to know Ichigo isn't really interested in girls that way. It's a canon plot point that any time something sexual comes up he gets all Chaste Hero.

SOME people would give their right arm to be near Yoruichi when she's naked but he has tot ell her to put clothes on.
Bloody idiot.

Sure though Ichigo is not gay. His reaction confirms that in a way. If a woman got undressed and naked infront of a gay man, he would react indifferntly.

Let's clear things a bit, the only girls to shown any protential romantic feelings for Ichigo is Orihime and maybe just maybe Nel. But even in that case, he could be more of seeing him as a big brother, all I know she showed jealous of Rukia but was all helpful with Ichgio and Orihime.

There is no romantic feelings from either side when it comes to Ichigo and Rukia, except for at the beginning everyone around him thought there was something going on between them. Yorichi and Rangiku are two fun loving corcky women that likes to have fun with Ichigo's shyness for women.

And than they are the filler female characters from the anime and the movies, that I won't mention, all of whom either have a crush on Ichigo or had a close storyline with him that caught be boarderline romantic. And two more filler characters that inherited Rangiku and Yorichi personality of having fun with him, one of them is Rangiku's Zanpaktu .

All thing considered, for a guy that shows no interest in girl, Ichigo has had some very good luck with the ladies without even trying. He is kind of Ash Katchem.

[Nikkolas]

I'm not saying he's gay. I'm saying he's an idiot.

Like Tenchi in Tenchi Muyo. God or not, he still hasn't slept with a single girl and they all have pretty much thrown themselves at him.

[Hordesman]

Pairings I can't stand? NaruHina, front and center. This pairing is a ridiculous one-sided crush at best, bashing of Naruto the character at worst. "You suck, so you get the one person who's a bigger loser than you! And if you don't like it, we'll want you killed off!"

I see a bit of Harry/Ginny in it, that it's less a match between 2 people than building a dynasty off a 1-sided preteen crush- Harry becoming Ron and Hermione's brother by marriage, maybe Naruto becoming head of the Hyuga clan... Perfect dynastic matches are not always the result of romance, but of political arranged marriages.


Any yaoi fanpairing tends to go into head bashing territory. Look, if the character is canonically gay, fine. That's the author's choice. But he's not going to swap spit with a dude if he likes girls.
The problem is that "if" is still very much off-limits outside of yaoi on the anime end and Adult Swim on the US end. Creators aren't free to be upfront about it. http://www.s8.org/gargoyles/askgreg/search.php?qid=8065 That said, the majoirty of yaoi fanon out there is driven by the image of pretty boys together. There's something screwed up about pairing a character up with someone who kills him in canon, for instance. New rule: If ever there was an sign that "he's just not that into you", it's him holding you in his arms with a gigantic ****eating grin on his face as you die. Although this http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tzFS9quldok is hysterical

[Gold Guy]

Anything yaoi is sick to me. I also hope that Naruto isn't idiotic enough to go over to Sakura. She's just cruel to him.

[Antiyonder]

Paul and Dawn from Pokemon. They don't show any personal emotion towards one another (aside from that one moment he forgot her name). I mean the Drew and May pairing while I'm not overly fond of it either has some basis for it (in that they show plausible chemistry).

Heck, even if I'm all for Aang and Katara for Avatar, I can at least see Zutara as a workable alternative.

But other than the desire to see the nice girl and the jerk of a guy, I don't see how Paul and Dawn could be a couple. Ash, Gary and even Kenny would make more sense.

[Taekmkm]

Pokemon in general is terrible. They haven't (and still) reached puberty.

[veemonjosh]

One of the worst cases I've seen for Pokemon was something I read on one website where someone overanalyzed a friggin Pokemon Pizza Hut commercial to show "proof" that Ash and Dawn have feelings for each other.

Really, when you have to resort to looking at a PIZZA HUT COMMERCIAL for shipping evidence, you have problems.

[RonDrakenfan17]

Pokemon in general is terrible. They haven't (and still) reached puberty.

HAHA Yah Pokemon, the only character who gets love is Brock and he never gets any one :p

MistyxAsh is another ship now that you brought it that I don't like.
She was just such a jerk to him. Yah, yah love/hate relationship thing blah blah. But I some times thought Misty was just too mean to Ash, even when he didn't deserve it. So I was indeed happy to see her gone :)

[FGfan]

Kenyako, Digimon Adventure 02. Simply disgusting on so many levels.

Sorato, also Digimon Adventure 02. While the implausibility of any of the kids ending up marrying drives me insane, I can't deny this one was sudden. I mean hell, I think half the fanbase at the time wanted Taichi to end up with Sora.

Naruto and Sakura. Kishimoto, what have you been smoking? Anyone with half a brain could tell you that half the fanbase probably wanted Sakura and Sasuke. Or did Shonen Jump threaten you with a pink slip?

[Roman Legion]

This ought to be a fun thread. :p

I stopped following Bleach long ago, but from the sidelines, I still don't see the appeal of Ichigo x Orihime. I also find the demand for "evidence" in support of any relationship in the series ridiculous. I'm entirely able to accept that there are no cannon pairings in Bleach and that there may never be. However, if we're strictly talking what if... IchiHime must be among the blandest one-sided crushes I've ever encountered. I'd sooner support IchiRuki based on nothing more than that they're actually entertaining to watch together.

--Romey

[Light Lucario]

Paul and Dawn from Pokemon. They don't show any personal emotion towards one another (aside from that one moment he forgot her name). I mean the Drew and May pairing while I'm not overly fond of it either has some basis for it (in that they show plausible chemistry).

Heck, even if I'm all for Aang and Katara for Avatar, I can at least see Zutara as a workable alternative.

But other than the desire to see the nice girl and the jerk of a guy, I don't see how Paul and Dawn could be a couple. Ash, Gary and even Kenny would make more sense.

Oh yeah, I forgot about that weird fan-pairing. Considering that they talked to each other one time over a hundred episodes ago, I don't see how they could become a couple. Pokemon has some of the weirdest pairings I've seen.

AshxDawn: While I agree that there's at least a bit more evidence in the show for this pairing than PaulxDawn, I still don't really see their interactions as signs of romance. They act a lot more like good friends than anything else to me.

SetoxSerenity: Similar to the DawnxPaul pairing, Seto Kaiba and Serenity communicated in only one brief scene. Though Kaiba just looked at her, instead of actually talking to her. If there was some more interactions between them, then maybe it could work, but with the series as it is, it just comes off as a poor pairing.

I've also seen pairings that have two characters from completely different series.

Jaden from Yu-Gi-Oh! GX with May from Pokemon: Honestly, outside of wearing red and interacting with monster, though in different ways, I don't see much of a similarity between the two. I've also seen a pairing for Atem from Yu-Gi-Oh! DM and Sailor Moon. Yeah, that just feels weird, but most pairings with characters from different series would be.

[FGfan]

This ought to be a fun thread. :p

I stopped following Bleach long ago, but from the sidelines, I still don't see the appeal of Ichigo x Orihime. I also find the demand for "evidence" in support of any relationship in the series ridiculous. I'm entirely able to accept that there are no cannon pairings in Bleach and that there may never be. However, if we're strictly talking what if... IchiHime must be among the blandest one-sided crushes I've ever encountered. I'd sooner support IchiRuki based on nothing more than that they're actually entertaining to watch together.

--Romey

You're not alone. The other day, I was randomly sketching anime guys as Harry Potter characters, using Uryu Ishida as Harry, and Orihime as Ginny. I think Orihime goes better with Uryu, personally.

Back to topic, I remember rumors that Ruki and Takato would end up together in Tamers. I don't think they go together at all.

[garfield15]

I think Orihime goes better with Uryu, personally.
Orihime has had even less contact with Uryu than with Ichigo. I know they were together in the SS arc and all and it's obvious to everyone Uryu has a crush on her, it just seems even less likely than Ichigo getting his act together. Personally, Orihime has been through so much crap at this point, I think she needs at least a little happiness in her life. :sweat:

I'll second I hate fan-made yaoi pairings. If it's in-show, Coolio. If not, keep it in your head.

Also, you ever notice how every other Evangelion media like the mangas are completely ShinjiXAsuka? I know that there's plenty of fanfic regarding ShinjiXRei but usually the good ones that are well-written and actually thought out usually have him with Asuka. Not saying I hate a pairing, I just thought that was kind of interesting.

[Taekmkm]

Also, you ever notice how every other Evangelion media like the mangas are completely ShinjiXAsuka? I know that there's plenty of fanfic regarding ShinjiXRei but usually the good ones that are well-written and actually thought out usually have him with Asuka. Not saying I hate a pairing, I just thought that was kind of interesting.

There's just as much well-written Rei as there as Asuka.

And Rebuild pretty much makes ReiXShinji as official as you can get.

[radioflyer]

Any yaoi fanpairing tends to go into head bashing territory. Look, if the character is canoically gay, fine. That's the author's choice. But he's not going to swap spit with a dude if he likes girls.

THANK YOU THANK YOU THANK YOU. I hate yaoi, especially when it uses characters who are established as straight. There was actually a convention last summer in my area for yaoi fanciers, and I saw the brochure and ecchh, CREEPY. I don't think yaoi is open-minded or tolerant or is a symbol of inclusiveness or anything like that. It's just a very weird fixation. It's one reason I don't like the Deviant Art website. You do a search there for any cartoon and you'll run into yaoi versions of it. Bleh. :shrug:

Getting back to legit ships...any Naruto pairing aside from Naruto/Sakura makes no sense to me. Yeah, Sakura can be pretty harsh. A lot of anime girls act that way towards guys who are implicitly their intended, if you get what I mean. But she's a match for him and his hotheadedness, so a pairing makes at least a little sense. Same with FMA - Edward and Winry are a great couple, and she's easily the most likable anime girl ever. I actually want them to get close. But not too soon. Edward's denial and jealousy are lots of fun to watch.

[GWOtaku]

I think my pal Grenzer really did put it best (http://www.toonzone.net/forums/showthread.php?p=3423688) when he explained why Ichigo x anyone isn't realistic, at least for now. I actually wouldn't mind if he got shipped with Orihime eventually, but it'd have to be done right and it'd be astonishingly rushed if they were shipped anytime soon.

I don't know about there being no legitimate pairing in Bleach. I have a hard time believing that Renji and Rukia have a connection that is simply friendship. I'm not saying there must be love there, but just look at how far Renji ended up going for her in Soul Society. That said, yeah, relationships are absolutely not a priority in the comic for better or worse.

It's funny to me that someone said Naruto/Sakura, because I think that Sasuke/anyone is pretty much insane at this specific moment. Sasuke literally doesn't even really have friends right now besides Naruto, and those that have been following the story know how he responded to that. At least with Naruto/Sakura, there's been mutual respect and caring going on between the two of them for quite some time now.

[FGfan]

Well, BEFORE Shippuden, I think half the fanbase wanted Sakura and Sasuke to end up together. Nowadays, any pairing is pretty insane in that series, if you ask me. :P

[Beat]

Well, BEFORE Shippuden, I think half the fanbase wanted Sakura and Sasuke to end up together. Nowadays, any pairing is pretty insane in that series, if you ask me. :P

Well that was before Sasuke became Superboy Prime.

"Everything was better when the Uchichia were alive!":( Ye gods. As for people sour on NaruSaku, isn't winning the heart of the girl a time honored tradition in fiction?

BTW- Lina Inverse + Anyone = NO.

[GWOtaku]

BTW- Lina Inverse + Anyone = NO.

On the one hand, I would dispute this because of how the ending of Slayers Next pushed Lina x Gourry. On the other hand, Slayers is a comedy series and so the story seemed to promptly forget all about it.

[RonDrakenfan17]

Oh yah PaulxDawn-Pokemon.
Another ship that makes no sense!!!!
They hardly interact at all, AshxPaul makes way more sense :p

[Light Lucario]

On the one hand, I would dispute this because of how the ending of Slayers Next pushed Lina x Gourry. On the other hand, Slayers is a comedy series and so the story seemed to promptly forget all about it.

Well, their memories were erased at the end of NEXT, so they didn't know that they expressed their feelings for each other. I think that they wanted to return it back to status quo at the end anyway. I think that there have been hints at the pairing in the series before and after NEXT, so I feel that the pairing does make a lot of sense.

[Roman Legion]

With Slayers, even in the novels, are there really any remotely legitimate alternate pairings to choose from?

--Romey

[Nikkolas]

In regards to canon Bleach ships, Urahara x Yoruichi seems likely. Like I'm 98% sure they do love each other and whatnot.

[Luna]

I love the Bleach anime/manga,but it REALLY bugs me that pairings that actually make sense are ignored/disliked,while the awful ones are well supported,despite either a lack of evidence on one or both sides or it being outright stated that a relationship is "not romance"...

Ichigo X Rukia....NO...just no...I don't care what the (completely heartless) idiots at Studio Pierrot try,they aren't a couple,nor should they be...
What makes their relationship interesting is that it's NOT romantic,it's one of the reasons I got into the series in the first place....To top it off,Kubo's even SAID they don't have romantic interest in one another (and,if I remember correctly,it was in an interview about the third movie,Fade to Black,so no,that movie doesn't prove your ship is right)...

Ulquiorra X Orihime...I don't find Stockholm or Lima Syndrome very romantic,in fact they're both kinda creepy...Plus,there's the fact that Ulquiorra's a major jerk to her (I wouldn't be at all surprised if most Ulquihime "fans" actually ship it because they hate Orihime),and that Orihime is in love with Ichigo (whether or not he reciprocates doesn't matter,the fact remains that he's the one she loves)...

Kaien X Rukia...Sigh..where to begin....OK,first off Kaien was MARRIED,and seemed to be completely devoted to his wife,Miyako,and second Rukia was NOT in love with him,he was more a mentor/big brother figure (someone who was looking out for her,like Byakuya should have been)...it bothers me when people confuse platonic and romantic love...

Uryu X Orihime....While I don't hate this one QUITE as much as the others mentioned(since there's a bit of canon evidence to back up Uryu's feelings),I'm still not fond of it...I'm sick of people treating it as reciprocated and canon..it's not(Orihime has no clue about his feelings,and thinks he likes Rukia..plus,Uryu seems to be pretty well aware of her love for Ichigo)...

Yaoi/yuri with straight characters....I'm not particularly fond of either, I'm OK with it if the characters actually are gay,but in most cases of fanmade pairings,either one or both members of the couple are actually straight,so no,it's never going to happen in the actual series...

[Mad Mod 49]

But other than the desire to see the nice girl and the jerk of a guy, I don't see how Paul and Dawn could be a couple. Ash, Gary and even Kenny would make more sense.


And she's got more chemistry with Zoey than any of those guys! :p

Oh, and ANY ship with Ash is stupid, since Ash himself is stupid. He is ridiculously oblivious to any romantic feelings expressed toward him, and can't feel any romantic feelings toward anyone else. He's only in love with his pokemon. And yet the show insists on shoving in girls with crushes on Ash even though nothing comes out of it! The most offensive example being Anabel in the 9th season. You're a freaking Frontier Brain, girl, you can do MUCH better than this! :yawn:


And Rebuild pretty much makes ReiXShinji as official as you can get.

Er, Rebuild is only half-done; we don't know what's going to end up "official". If you mean, it makes the possibility of the pairing valid, then yeah, I'll agree with that. Still, considering that Rei is practically Shinji's mother, I can't help but wonder if it's going to work out.

[Antiyonder]

Oh, and ANY ship with Ash is stupid, since Ash himself is stupid. He is ridiculously oblivious to any romantic feelings expressed toward him, and can't feel any romantic feelings toward anyone else. He's only in love with his pokemon. And yet the show insists on shoving in girls with crushes on Ash even though nothing comes out of it! The most offensive example being Anabel in the 9th season. You're a freaking Frontier Brain, girl, you can do MUCH better than this! :yawn:

I imagine that it's done to play on the irony that the girl crazy guy crash and burns, while the oblivious guy has more girls crushing on him.

[veemonjosh]

Getting back to legit ships...any Naruto pairing aside from Naruto/Sakura makes no sense to me.

Not even Naruto/Hinata? While I haven't been paying any attention to the series within the past year or so, I do know that Hinata finally admitted her feelings for Naruto, and Naruto didn't necessarily deny those feelings at that time.

That might lead somewhere someday.

[Beat]

Er, Rebuild is only half-done; we don't know what's going to end up "official". If you mean, it makes the possibility of the pairing valid, then yeah, I'll agree with that. Still, considering that Rei is practically Shinji's mother, I can't help but wonder if it's going to work out.

Isn't that y'know...incest?

As the Ask a Ninja Ninja once said- "That is a big ol cup of Creepy Time Tea." Not like ShinjixMisato is much better. Although when it feels like RaxEhphon was a giant ShinjixMiasto fanfiction that sprouted its own heads, the support for it is worse.

[Taekmkm]

Isn't that y'know...incest?

Rei isn't even fully human, so incest would be impossible in our terms.


Er, Rebuild is only half-done; we don't know what's going to end up "official". If you mean, it makes the possibility of the pairing valid, then yeah, I'll agree with that. Still, considering that Rei is practically Shinji's mother, I can't help but wonder if it's going to work out.

Well, the ending of 2.0 pretty much goes that way.

Shinji would rather start third impact than lose Rei

[Mad Mod 49]

Not even Naruto/Hinata? While I haven't been paying any attention to the series within the past year or so, I do know that Hinata finally admitted her feelings for Naruto, and Naruto didn't necessarily deny those feelings at that time.

That might lead somewhere someday.

Naruto didn't have to deny her feelings. It's clear that the only one he's interested in is Sasuke.

So if you ask me, both Sakura and Hinata deserve better. :yawn:



Well, the ending of 2.0 pretty much goes that way.


Because he cares about her. That doesn't nessecarily prove that his love for her is romantic.

[Taekmkm]

Idunno, that naked embrace was pretty heavy along with his speech.

[Mad Mod 49]

Thought of another: Lelouch x Anyone. Especially Lelouch x Kallen; she gets nothing but pain in that relationship.



Idunno, that naked embrace was pretty heavy along with his speech.


Oh come now. It's Evangelion; people get naked all the time. Shinji and Kaworu were naked together in the original show; does that mean there was something going on between them?

.....Wait.........

[purplehairedwonder]

I admit to shipping a few, uh, non-canon pairings myself, so I don't know that I have much room to talk but I'll give it a shot anyway ;)

Kurama/Hiei (YYH): This is my least favorite pairing of all. I see the fangirl bait in getting the two hot demons together, but no. Just no. They're friends and teammates but nothing more. Though really any inter-Team Urameshi pairings are just weird to me.

Twincest (Ouran): Again, I get the fangirl-bait here, but Hikaru clearly has feelings for Haruhi, and as twisted and crazy as Ouran gets at time, it doesn't go that far in reality.

On the Ouran topic though, I don't like any pairings outside of Tamaki/Haruhi since that's where the series is heading at this point.

Yuki/Kaname (Vampire Knight): I admit to falling behind on the manga, but I fully support Yuki/Zero since, well, Zero's awesome and I just don't like Kaname. Plushim being raised as her brother adds to the epic creepy factor, too.Since someone mentioned Zutara... that is one I'll never understand considering Aang/Katara AND Zuko/Mai (and I'm a big Maiko fan) are canon. I could possibly see it before season 3, but not since.

There are also crack pairings that just make you scratch your head... a "gem" I've come across with a disturbing frequency: Schneizel/Suzaku from Code Geass. Um... what?

Then again, I also support Sasuke/Sakura (though I pretty much admit that ship has sailed), so take that as you will ;) I'm not much of a Naruto/Sakura fan since I see them more like siblings than anything though that seems much more likely anymore.

[ReijiAzuma]

Seto Kaiba x Yami Yugi/Atem. I mean, Seto's the reincarnation of Atem's cousin. That comes as just a bit.... creepy to me anyways. For that matter, I don't really go for Kaiba with anyone. He just seems the type that would never even attempt to settle down and would prefer the loner lifestyle.

[HellCat]

Athrun Zala x Meyrin Hawke. In the first SEED, Athrun had an interesting bit of romantic development. He starts off in a forced engagement with Lacus, where although he likes her as a friend he's clearly not genuinely interested. He then meets Cagalli and it's obvious the two of them are a better match. Except Destiny then goes and rips them apart, in addition to giving Cagalli three pointless rivals. Meyrin is portrayed as the underdog of these, the mousey chubby girl who secretly pines for Athrun. In order to push them togethor, the series suddenly hands Meyrin a subplot which was more clearly built up for her sister and then tries to sledgehammer the previously established pairing. It's like if a socially awkward fangirl wrote a self insert fic, where she steals away her favourite bishie from his canon girlfriend. Boo-urns.

Domon Kasshu x Allenby Beardsley. As a friend who has since moved on once put it, 'You can't love yourself'. As much as I like Allenby, she's pretty blatantly a plot device to draw out the Domon x Rain angle till the very end. However, this hasn't stopped any number of people (usually fangirls) misreading that section of the story and instead casting Rain as some horrible cow who Allenby must triumph against.

[Taekmkm]

the mousey chubby girl

You like sticks?


However, this hasn't stopped any number of people (usually fangirls) misreading that section of the story and instead casting Rain as some horrible cow who Allenby must triumph against.

These people include the manga author.

[GWOtaku]

These people include the manga author.

Tokita's manga is totally not canon, mate, certainly no more so than the Wing manga that he did is (wherein all five Gundams end up in Sanc Kingdom, etc). His take on things is a what-if alternative.

[HellCat]

You like sticks?

Domo... (chh chh chh) Domo... (chh chh chh) Domo arigato, Mr Roboto!

[Taekmkm]

Tokita's manga is totally not canon, mate, certainly no more so than the Wing manga that he did is (wherein all five Gundams end up in Sanc Kingdom, etc). His take on things is a what-if alternative.

I know that, but my post was telling of how crackpot pairings can get into official material.

Just like all those harem-manga series of Evangelion (Seriously, Asuka and Rei each have their own manga love series)

[garfield15]

Just gonna say "Escaflowne manga" and leave it at that. ;)

[Antiyonder]

Since someone mentioned Zutara... that is one I'll never understand considering Aang/Katara AND Zuko/Mai (and I'm a big Maiko fan) are canon. I could possibly see it before season 3, but not since.

I too support the canon ships as far as Avatar goes. My point is that even a crack ship can be plausible depending on the circumstances. I was pretty much stating that compared to Paul and Dawn from Pokemon, that Zutara actually has some sense to it.

But to clarify the more on topic ship. Paul and Dawn don't have any major interaction (save for the scene I mentioned in an earlier post). I mean you could argue that people who bicker can develop romantic feelings for one another, but they don't even bicker towards each other.

[Scirel]

ANY Yaoi pairing of charachters from shonen series.

You want to know the reason why so many people are creeped out by/hate Yaoi? It's not because of homophobia, it's because of THAT.


If Sakura ever apologizes for being such a Witch with a capitol B in the beginning of the series to naruto(i.e. How everyone except Hianta and Iruka treated him, except worse because Naruto could kick Sakura's ass at ANY POINT during the series, she never had any right to make fun of him), then I will stop disliking it.

[anime_guru]

naruto x karin (yes the shippings have started)
and from her sensing his chakra that's where the shipping began...

I mean on the one hand naruto had a magnetic personality just...it would always attract hinata...I can see sakura beginning to see how much naruto has done for her, but its almost like too little too late. Hinata, for all of her weaknesses sorta stood by naruto and gave him that push when he needed it. But karin??? SERIOUSLY KARIN!?

...

If naruto becomes a harem manga I will go nuts

[Beat]

If naruto becomes a harem manga I will go nuts

That would be awesome. And it would in a way, fit.

"I was once shunned, but now everyone loves me. Everyone- giggity giggity."

What has Hinata done to deserve such admiration from fans? In cannon mind you.

She was-

Owned by Neji.

Owned by Peinatron. (And unfortunately not killed)

And that's about it. You know what pro wrestlers call that? A jobber. Hinata isn't a romantic interest, she's a jobber.

[rubberchicken]

What has Hinata done to deserve such admiration from fans? In cannon mind you.

She was-

Owned by Neji.

Owned by Peinatron. (And unfortunately not killed)

And that's about it. You know what pro wrestlers call that? A jobber. Hinata isn't a romantic interest, she's a jobber.

...When did pro wrestling become the standard for judging characters?

[Beat]

...When did pro wrestling become the standard for judging characters?

It's not. I'm just using the analogy of an inherently useless character that does nothing to contribute to the story (jobber/Hinata) All Hinata is there for is to be a warm body to get beat up. How does this character leave any sort of impression?

[rubberchicken]

It's not. I'm just using the analogy of an inherently useless character that does nothing to contribute to the story (jobber/Hinata) All Hinata is there for is to be a warm body to get beat up. How does this character leave any sort of impression?

We'll simply ignore the entire backstory and development that took place during the Neji fight, of course, because who won the fight is the only thing that matters.

[Scirel]

That would be awesome. And it would in a way, fit.

"I was once shunned, but now everyone loves me. Everyone- giggity giggity."

What has Hinata done to deserve such admiration from fans? In cannon mind you.

She was-

Owned by Neji.

Owned by Peinatron. (And unfortunately not killed)

And that's about it. You know what pro wrestlers call that? A jobber. Hinata isn't a romantic interest, she's a jobber.

Sakura's been owned by worse characters. In part 1 she was owned by INO, barely held off against genin in the forest of death, and showed basically nothing resembling a skill until Sasori, where she hasn`t done anything since.

INO.

Can you seriously say that if Sakura had fought Neji, she would have lasted longer, and that if Hinata fought Ino, Ino would have gotten a chance to use Mind Transfer because she had no catfight with her over Sasuke?

Meanwhile, Hinata has only been owned by elites that even Naruto had trouble with and were considered landmark fights for him by defeating those people.

[Beat]

We'll simply ignore the entire backstory and development that took place during the Neji fight, of course, because who won the fight is the only thing that matters.

OK, so she's a plot device in the form of a jobber, since she might as well have been hiding in the Batcave between those fights. And I doubt she could beat even Ino, much less Sasori.

99% of "cute shy" fangirl bait ships have this problem. They're not characters, they're plot devices.

[Scirel]

OK, so she's a plot device in the form of a jobber, since she might as well have been hiding in the Batcave between those fights. And I doubt she could beat even Ino, much less Sasori.

99% of "cute shy" fangirl bait ships have this problem. They're not characters, they're plot devices.


Why do you doubt she could beat Ino? Because you don`t like her? What could Ino possibly do? The same trick she used against Sakura wouldn`t work with Hinata because they don`t have the history Ino and Sakura do. Seriously, what ever suggested that she couldn`t. Next thing you'll tell me is Sakura could beat Itachi and pain at the same time with one hand tied behind her back.

[Roman Legion]

...When did pro wrestling become the standard for judging characters?As soon as some fans of shounen fighting series started judging a character's worth by how "powerful" they are. If a character is "weak" in terms of fighting, relative to anyone else, they're worthless. (This an endless source of arguments for Rukia vs Orihime in Bleach.) Some manga authors are guilty of encouraging this kind of character evaluation in the first place.

--Romey

[Beat]

Why do you doubt she could beat Ino? Because you don`t like her? What could Ino possibly do? The same trick she used against Sakura wouldn`t work with Hinata because they don`t have the history Ino and Sakura do. Seriously, what ever suggested that she couldn`t. Next thing you'll tell me is Sakura could beat Itachi and pain at the same time with one hand tied behind her back.

Well, (in canon) Hinata has shown extremely little capability to fight and little desire to. Sakura, while I doubt she could beat any of the high level guys, would probably last longer than Hinata. Of course, at least Hinata losing inspires Naruto to get his next power up.

[rubberchicken]

OK, so she's a plot device in the form of a jobber, since she might as well have been hiding in the Batcave between those fights.


And yet she gets more development during the chuunin exam than any other character besides Gaara.

[Beat]

And yet she gets more development during the chuunin exam than any other character besides Gaara.

Gaara did get consistent follow up following that arc. Hinata retreated to the Batcave for occasional cameos and filler episodes. It's not the same since one became a main player and the other pretty much vanished until Pein showed up.

Need a new pairing to riff on...

GaaraxAnybody- He's not into women or men for that matter. He's entirely asexual.

SimonxPretty much anyone that's not Nia- You know, when the point of half the story IS hooking up a pairing, for however brief a time, going the crack pairing route seems...dumb. And in Yoko's case, hazardous to your health.

Pokeshipping- They're 12. To quote Ma-Ti "You people are so desentizied!"

[Scirel]

Well, (in canon) Hinata has shown extremely little capability to fight and little desire to. Sakura, while I doubt she could beat any of the high level guys, would probably last longer than Hinata. Of course, at least Hinata losing inspires Naruto to get his next power up.


The last Sentence Reminded me of the end of Rebuild of Evangelion 2, heh. :evil:

But against Ino? Who has no offensive techniques? She'd have to be not fighting at all. Sakura vs. Ino said more about Ino's strength as a fighter than it did about Sakura. Hyuga style is a "Chip away until they break down" style, which Ino would have had no defense against, and Sakura certainly would not have been able to counter Neji's version of it. In part 1, Sakura, power wise, was basically tenten with a speaking role and a personality.

If you haven`t guessed already, my favorite pairing for Sakura would be with Rock Lee, not Sasuke, but I digress.

Bleach and One piece are two series that don`t lend themselves well to pairings. It's hard to support any for those.

Athrun X Meyrin is one I really don`t like for SEED. I wish he would stay with Cagalli. It would make more sense(but this is Destiny. so...).

[silvanoir]

Being rather shipper-y myself, shipping doesn't bug me EXCEPT:

If the characters are related. The FMA fanart I've stumbled upon, it burns. Ahhhgh. :mad:

If the characters literally want to kill eachother. I saw fanart for Death Note before I ever knew what the series was about, and thought "well that's an odd name for a yaoi". Kira wants to KILL L. L wants to put Kira in jail and never let him out. What part of this says tiptoeing through the daisies to fangirls? Same for Ichigo and Grimmjow from Bleach, they want to beat eacother to a bloody pulp, not cuddle. I want to tell these fangirls "Think of someone you absolutely hate... now how romantic are you with them?" Seriously :shrug:

Old Men and underaged characters
I've run across few fans of Mad Hatter/Alice fans on deviantart... the old Disney cartoon movie version where she's a little girl and he's an ugly old man. Eww. Also, this isn't a fan pairing, but when they nearly had that fully grown man marry the little girl in Code Geass. :ack:

[Marvin Tikvah]

I'm usually more annoyed by the shippers than the actual shippings themselves. Sure, some of them make no sense or go against what has already been established, but shipping is supposed to be a fun little diversion that brings out the lighter side in you. When you hold it dearly enough to boycott the series based on how your fantasy pairing didn't happen (see Harry Potter) then its time to take a break from whatever fandom you're involved in.

That being said, why does Google say yuri shippings are more popular yet I see more yaoi fangirls anywhere I go? Its a strange phenomenon.

[silvanoir]

I'm usually more annoyed by the shippers than the actual shippings themselves. Sure, some of them make no sense or go against what has already been established, but shipping is supposed to be a fun little diversion that brings out the lighter side in you.

That being said, why does Google say yuri shippings are more popular yet I see more yaoi fangirls anywhere I go? Its a strange phenomenon.

I have no problem with shippers, being one... but when they get into full on shipping WARS about it, it's ridiculous. When the Orihime/Ichigo and Rukia/Ichigo or Aang/Katara and Zuko/Katara people attack each other over the internet ... it's sad. Really sad.

Yaoi does have a more dedicated fanbase than Yuri. There were attempts at Yuri conventions, but had very low attendance, while the Yaoi conventions keep going strong. Why is that? *shrug* You could probably do a whole sociological study on that.

[Beat]

Men aren't willing to admit they're hot for lesbians at a convention. It's a giant red flag. Women for whatever reason are willing to admit they find the yaoi thing sexy. Double standards FTW!

Alright, let's focus on IchiHime for a second. Asexual lead meets kidnapped useless person. Orihime has a lot of Hinata's plot device issues, but when you add that the lead isn't interested in any sort of romance (unlike Naruto who sought out romance from Sakura) it becomes kinda dumb.

[anime_guru]

Men aren't willing to admit they're hot for lesbians at a convention. It's a giant red flag. Women for whatever reason are willing to admit they find the yaoi thing sexy. Double standards FTW!

Alright, let's focus on IchiHime for a second. Asexual lead meets kidnapped useless person. Orihime has a lot of Hinata's plot device issues, but when you add that the lead isn't interested in any sort of romance (unlike Naruto who sought out romance from Sakura) it becomes kinda dumb.

I can personally see a Ichigoxorihime shipping since it was heavily hinted in the beginning of the anime and manga counterpart. It could be kubo trying to advance the story much like kishimoto uses hinata to get naruto over that hurdle to become a shonen bad***

That said, I can definitely see an ichigo orihime alternate universe happening. Not in canon, not until ichigo gets past those mommy issues...which reminds me of the love ichixrenji gets...
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shudders

[Mad Mod 49]

If Sakura ever apologizes for being such a Witch with a capitol B in the beginning of the series to naruto(i.e. How everyone except Hianta and Iruka treated him, except worse because Naruto could kick Sakura's ass at ANY POINT during the series, she never had any right to make fun of him), then I will stop disliking it.


Alot of the treatment was played for laughs.

It's not going to be referenced again.

Naruto and Sakura are close now; no apology is needed.

Get the hell over it.

Need I go on? :evil:

[garfield15]

Alright, let's focus on IchiHime for a second. Asexual lead meets kidnapped useless person. Orihime has a lot of Hinata's plot device issues, but when you add that the lead isn't interested in any sort of romance (unlike Naruto who sought out romance from Sakura) it becomes kinda dumb.
Now, let's examine why Nodoka from Negima is how to do the shy, reserved character correctly.

First of all, Negi's 10 (but incredibly badass and a Super Saiyan something akin to SS) Let's get that out of the way now.

Nodoka in the beginning was basically Hinata 2.0 but even more reserved because she did...nothing. However, she got incredibly close to Negi and the two had been teased almost as much as AsunaXNegi. Now, the reason Nodoka is set apart from Hinata and Ori is that1. She has gotten farther than either of them by kissing Negi twice. Once for the Pactio card (though we all know she liked it) and the other...cause she wanted to get her feelings across correctly if I recall.

2. Said Pactio card makes her insanely dangerous for Negi's enemies like to the nth degree. Not going to say why, read for yourself. Also, when separated from the others in the current arc, she got a couple of magical items that made her Pactio even more awesome. It's not really a fighting power but what it lacks in fighting, it more than makes up for in...um...let's just say information.

3. She just took an insane level in badass by standing up to what is akin to a God in the current arc as well as completely screwing him over. This particular moment made me realize how much better Nodoka is as a person. Also, that Akamatsu is a really good manga-ka.
So it's not impossible to do the shy character incorrecly after all.

[Beat]

It's not impossible to make any archetype work, even the shy reserved fangirl bait. It's just that in the case of Hinata and Orihime, they're done incredibly poorly. Hence why I don't think Hinata the plot device deserves anything and I'm wondering if Orihime will become a villain (although the latest revelation in the manga seems to make that angle extremely unlikely)

[Don_East]

Alright, let's focus on IchiHime for a second. Asexual lead meets kidnapped useless person. Orihime has a lot of Hinata's plot device issues, but when you add that the lead isn't interested in any sort of romance (unlike Naruto who sought out romance from Sakura) it becomes kinda dumb.
Okay, first off, Orihime is NOT useless. She's underused, there's a difference. Characters like Momo or Kon, now they are useless. Second, I'm well aware that Ichigo isn't a romantic and will not spontaneously fall in love with Orihime but I believe the emotions will build up to that. In fact I once read a fanfic where Orihime told Ichigo her feelings and Ichigo was indecisive on how to react since he never fell in love before, mind you it ends with him and Orihime planning a date but it's realistic. What is comepletely unrealistic is how my least favorite Bleach pairing occurs.

IchiSenna is a really bad fanfic with a Mary Sue for a female love interest. I can't believe this pairing has any support for this one, it's forced and ridiculous. My main problem is that Ichigo treats Orihime & Rukia, two girls he has known for a longer amount of time as platonic as possible yet fell head over heels in love with the girl he knew for about a whole day. When the day comes when I have to review Memories of Nobody, mark my words it will be a day of reckoning.

[Beat]

Yeah, but MON isn't canon. It'd be like me using a One Piece movie to argue against a pairing. (Movie 10 being the exception since Oda wrote it)

[garfield15]

^^Beat, canon doesn't matter when it comes to fanships. In fact, isn't that where most of your NaruHina anger comes from? The fillers?


IchiSenna is a really bad fanfic with a Mary Sue for a female love interest. I can't believe this pairing has any support for this one, it's forced and ridiculous. My main problem is that Ichigo treats Orihime & Rukia, two girls he has known for a longer amount of time as platonic as possible yet fell head over heels in love with the girl he knew for about a whole day. When the day comes when I have to review Memories of Nobody, mark my words it will be a day of reckoning.I agree, but was he really "head over heels" for her? He was acting really no differently than Naruto was over the girls to rescue in his first and fourth movies.

(Don, did you see the UlquiorraXOrihime in the new OP? ;))

[Beat]

^^Beat, canon doesn't matter when it comes to fanships. In fact, isn't that where most of your NaruHina anger comes from? The fillers?


Yeah, when they're treated as canon. Basically, Don's the anti IchiSenna defense is "Senna's a fanfic Mary Sue! She doesn't exist!"

As long as UlqHime resembles Twilight abuse, I can't support it, even if it would get focus off of IchiHime.

[Don_East]

Yeah, when they're treated as canon. Basically, Don's the anti IchiSenna defense is "Senna's a fanfic Mary Sue! She doesn't exist!"
No, I'm saying that Senna is like a fanfic Mary Sue and I lambast the notion of anyone shipping her and Ichigo. And yes, I heard of the new OP and all I have to say Studio Peirrot fails yet again.

[anime_guru]

No, I'm saying that Senna is like a fanfic Mary Sue and I lambast the notion of anyone shipping her and Ichigo. And yes, I heard of the new OP and all I have to say Studio Peirrot fails yet again.

just be glad that the shipping done in that op won't last lol
though I'm surprised no "hate" for ichigo and nel...something about the kids liking ichigo =/

[Bunai]

Basically if you have to alter the characters personality or can't keep them in-character for a fanfic, that pretty much means you shouldn't attempt it (lol) or something like that. At least make the pairing believable in the way that the characters are portrayed in the series. There is "flexible" writing, then there is just "OOC", "my version of (so-n-so)" or "how it should be but the creator is too stupid to see it - so naaay!!".

Though I don't seem to have an issue if people mention OOC ahead of time. I don't have a probably with fanart of the characters paired together, though the artist comments can throw the image off a bit. Obvious no one will ever single-handedly stop pairings they don't like seeing (even the creators themselves). And it is always amusing to see who people match characters up with.

__NEGIMA!
Negi / (anyone)
The kid has no interests in a intimate relationship with females or males, and due to him being a child his mind isn't getting the obvious vibes from females that outright said they love him. With the variety of characters, I can see why people try to match him up by some means. I just personally prefer Negi to be carefree and pair...less.

__A:TLA
Zuko / Katara
Because it was never even plausible... she never liked him through half the series, the other time she just "got to know him", and then they become some kind of friends. Other than that neither has romantic feelings for the other at all. Plus to me, it just doesn't work, even in fanfiction.

__Death Note
L / Light
Overall, it is just one of those series were pairing just doesn't work very well.

[RMZXKallen]

I don't like the LelouchXKallen pairing, never have and never will. Lelouch is too much of a backstabbing twit. I mean, Kallen pretty much does anything he tells her. Of course he is only denying her because he would rather make the world better than give it all up to live his life with a total babe. But thats what C.C. is for.:p

Don't get me wrong, I love Kallen. But Lelouch is just a poor decision for her.