"World War Hulks" Mini-Series & Crossover Talkback (Spoilers)

[Xurk]

Now that the Hulks have fallen, it's time for them to start waging war...

WORLD WAR HULKS #1

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WRITERS: Jeff Parker, Scott Reed, Paul Tobin & Harrison Wilcox
COVER BY: John Romita Jr.
PENCILS: Aluir Amancio, Terry Austin, Ig Guara, Ramon Rosanas & Ryan Stegman

THE STORY: After the jaw-dropping conclusion of FALL OF THE HULKS, secrets, mysteries and surprises galore are revealed in this giant-sized, bone-crushing, gamma-irradiated special one-shot featuring key players of the biggest Hulk-saga ever told: A-BOMB, COSMIC HULK, RED SHE-HULK, DOC SAMSON and DEADPOOL!

What is the heart-breaking decision that Rick Jones must make? Is there a hero left in the dark abyss of Leonard Samson's distorted mind? Whose appearance will shock the wild Red She-Hulk to her core? Can an ancient alien technology spell certain apocalypse to the world?

Don't miss out on this essential assembly of startling secrets in one of the greatest conspiracies in the history of the Marvel Universe!!!

Thoughts? What are your comments?

[Shawn Hopkins]

All of these different colored Hulks and Green Lanterns feel like they took some of the dumbest stuff from the Silver Age, forgetting most of the heart, plot mobility and positivity of that era, and grafted it uncomfortably on to their usual multi-part, buy all the miniseries and crossovers or you'll miss something, let's see if we can make a 30 part story that goes nowhere, depressing sturm und drang. It's like a freakish hybrid creation born in a lab. It's alarming to think about. When Batman comes back we'll probably get a 52 part crossover about the Rainbow Batman fighting the Composite Superman, with 20 minor character deaths and 21 resurrections right at the end to undo the damage instead of waiting for the next crossover. And at least two rapes.

[Paul_Cousins]

The conversation between A-bomb and Marlo was sweet.

I loved the reunion between Hulkpool and Bob. It was funny.

What is funnier is the two of them plan to crash Doom's castle to uses the time machine there to go back in time so Hulkpool can kill Deadpool! :cool:

[Xurk]

HULK #22

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WRITER: Jeph Loeb
PENCILS: Ed McGuinness

THE STORY: WORLD WAR HULKS BEGINS! The FALL is over. Long wage the WAR.

Red Hulk and Banner have failed, and their worst nightmares have come to kill them. Will they die fighting M.O.D.O.K. and his army of Hulks, or die by the hands of the Hulked-Out Heroes? Jeph Loeb and Ed McGuinness begin the end in this first chapter of WORLD WAR HULKS.


INCREDIBLE HULK #609

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WRITER: Greg Pak
COVER BY: John Romita Jr
PENCILS: Paul Pelletier

THE STORY: WORLD WAR HULKS CONTINUES!

'Planet Hulk' was big. 'World War Hulk' was bigger. Now with 'World War Hulks,' the Marvel Universe explodes with the biggest emotional story ever to hit Bruce Banner and the Incredible Hulk!

Following the mindbending twist ending of 'Fall of the Hulks,' everything Bruce Banner knows has been turned upside-down -- and everything he's ever desired may be just a heartbeat away. Written by Greg Pak (PLANET HULK, WORLD WAR HULK) and drawn by Paul Pelletier (WAR OF KINGS, FALL OF THE HULKS: ALPHA), don't miss the insane action and non-stop revelations as Skaar, Son of Hulk, enters his most brutal battle, Bruce Banner faces his greatest temptation, and the secret identity of a certain scarlet smasher is finally revealed!

Thoughts? What are your comments?

[Spider-Man]

I did not see this twist coming:

http://comicsnexus.insidepulse.com/2010/05/13/spoiler-warnings-red-hulk-red-she-hulk-revealed-jeph-loeb-finally-pulls-the-trigger-on-his-marvel-mystery/

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[Paul_Cousins]

"Brilliant", that is the one word to describe the "Fall of the Hulks" storyline. It is a classic, very well made story that is enjoyable on many levels.

The "Fall of the Hulks" is far better than the other comic storylines going on, such as "Dark Reign" and "War of the Supermen".

The production crew of this comic series has done a good job.

Also, the production crew has done successfully done something that is very hard to do, they change the formula of a series and made it work well.

They have literally 'inverted' the original Incredible Hulk series premise.

Bruce Banner, now Hulkless, has far proven to be fair more dangerous, and orders of magnitudes more badass, than every version of the Hulk there ever was. :cool:

The villains in the story are not idiots. Far from it. Inteligencia, is probably the best thought out comic villain team in a LONG time. They have learned from their mistakes, they have their own motives, they work together and listen to the opinions of others in their organization.

The Leader, though still evil, shows incredible leadership skills, proving he has what it takes to call himself, the Leader.

The best way to describe the plot is to this storyline is that it is Xanatos Speed Chess (http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/XanatosSpeedChess), but where both sides are pretty good at it. :cool:

The 'new' characters have been nice also.

The Red Hulk has turned out to be a good anti-hero/anti-villain.

And the Red She-Hulk just continues to prove how evil, sexy, and giant amazon, can go together.

And Samson's turn to villainy was a treat. And it was done so logically. The issue where he literally has his life psychologically analogized as to why he became a villain was just so well done.

And when I said this series has been 'inverted', I mean 'inverted'...

Major spoilers below...

And I am not just talking about the hulked out versions of the costumed heroes.

Basically, the original cast of the Hulk series has done a complete 180.

Banner is not hulkless, while the rest of the cast are Hulks; Rick (A-Bomb), Ross (Red Hulk), and Betty (Red She-Hulk). It has been a while sense I read a twist like this that worked and it is was a shocking plot twist.

I look forward to see how this storyline continues to play out.

[Xurk]

I agree with Paul_Cousins on the "Fall of the Hulks" story - in fact, my thoughts on it are in this post (http://www.toonzone.net/forums/showpost.php?p=3604205&postcount=12) for anyone who's interested :)

The "World War Hulks" issue, being an extension to the last few "Fall of the Hulks" what with mostly providing some more backstory, was okay. I didn't really care for the parts which involved non-Hulk related characters, those felt kind of out of place. Hulkpool in particular gets on my nerves, even though I enjoy Deadpool's own book.

Now, the reveal of the Red Hulk's identity and simultaneously, that of the Red She-Hulk... I did not see either of those coming! Does that make this brilliant, or does it make it illogical? Who's to say, but it sure made for a great cliffhanger :p Has anyone went back and checked out previous issues to see if this doens't create any contradictions? Wasn't there an issue where Ross stood over the Red Hulk after he had lost a battle?

I'll say one thing, having all of the exposition from the Red Hulk the past few months really does make a lot of puzzle pieces fit together and certainly seems to fit Ross most of the time. I'm on the fence about Red She-Hulk being Betty though, it seems to resemble her behaviour after turning into the [Green] She-Hulk in "Ultimate Wolverine VS Hulk", but not her 616 counterpart.

I still don't care for the "Hulked-Out Heroes", so I hope that doesn't go on for too long. What I do like is Banner realizing he's in a fantasy world, but not really wanting to leave it until he's more or less forced to. And how he tricked Dr. Doom? Classic. Since he reclaimed the "Incredible" book, Banner has had me hoping Hulk doesn't come back for another year or so :)

[Shawn Hopkins]

Now, the reveal of the Red Hulk's identity and simultaneously, that of the Red She-Hulk... I did not see either of those coming! Does that make this brilliant, or does it make it illogical? Who's to say, but it sure made for a great cliffhanger :p Has anyone went back and checked out previous issues to see if this doens't create any contradictions? Wasn't there an issue where Ross stood over the Red Hulk after he had lost a battle?



Probably a Life Model Decoy. Anyway, Ross was the absolute most obvious one, the Red Hulk even says "milksop" at one point which was Ross's pet name for Bruce, so it's hilarious that they spent months and months sending it through blind alleys and twists only to say "Oh, yeah, it was the most obvious suspect all along."

[Xurk]

You won't like him when he's angry...

INCREDIBLE HULK #610

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WRITER: Greg Pak
COVER BY: John Romita Jr.
PENCILS: Paul Pelletier

THE STORY: WORLD WAR HULKS RAGES ON!

THE ORIGIN OF RED SHE-HULK. And...the Return.

Thoughts? What are your comments?