Why did CN do this?? [Archive]

Shnay

03-25-2002, 04:01 PM

Actually, I'm a little confused about this, too. The easy answer is that they don't want to stretch the material thin. But, except for the WS stuff with only seven episodes, it's pretty much all new.

And thursday and sunday are TV's "big nights," which shows why they put it there in the first place. So, considering they didn't put anything special on one of their "big nights" seems a little odd to me. I can't imagine they're pulling in better ratings with "Scooby Doo," and I would think putting it on two nights would increase the chance of people who don't watch the shows finding Adult Swim and becoming fans. I agree, it doesn't make much sense.

But, playing shows over and over may wear on people a fair amount, so maybe its for the best. I don't know.

JTurner954

03-25-2002, 04:37 PM

Mayby so. But lately they have playing new stuff. New Home Movies, new baby Blues (I think), they played specials every week in the slot that ATHQ, Brak, SG, and Sealab was in (Eltingville, Jetsons, Ranger Smith, Night of the Living Doo, and Saddle Rash which I didn't see). With these new specials, doesn't it make sense to play them on Thursday??

Killtacular

03-25-2002, 04:38 PM

Williams Street was most likely forced to remove the Thursday nights by Cartoon Network.

There will be a third night in the future, most definitely, but when, where, and what would be on it is beyond me.

Beat

03-25-2002, 05:51 PM

To put on more Scooby, probably. Gotta keep it a "kids" network. :mad:

Spike Mcdougal

03-25-2002, 06:04 PM

Originally posted by Matt Wilson
Williams Street was most likely forced to remove the Thursday nights by Cartoon Network.

There will be a third night in the future, most definitely, but when, where, and what would be on it is beyond me.

Didnt you or somone else that they were removing the Thursday slot BECAUSE of ASA

Shnay

03-25-2002, 06:06 PM

Originally posted by Matt Wilson
There will be a third night in the future, most definitely, but when, where, and what would be on it is beyond me.

Adult Swim...Drama? Just think about it...we've seen animation cover a lot of genres and accomplish things people would never have thought possible in the early days of cartoons. I was watching the amazing Pearl Jam video "Evolution" this weekend, and I was thinking how great it would be if we could see some animation that wasn't comedy and wasn't anime...something that tried to explore what animation can do. Maybe the angle would be more like Adult Swim Art, or something, but I'd like to see something..."serious"...I know that's a really bad choice of words, but it's all I kind think to describe it. Am I making any sense?

zmanjz

03-25-2002, 08:22 PM

Originally posted by Shnay

Adult Swim...Drama?

Hmmm, this is a GREAT IDEA....

For someone else. I like ASA the way it is.

Shnay

03-25-2002, 08:43 PM

Originally posted by zmanjz
I like ASA the way it is.

So do I. Matt had mentioned something about a third night for Adult Swim. And since we already had action and comedy, it just seems like it's the next logical step.

Killtacular

03-25-2002, 09:08 PM

I don't think Adult Swim would branch into Drama. I think all drama would be going directly to the Action section.

Calhoun07

03-25-2002, 09:31 PM

How many animated dramas are out there? Not too many cartoon versions of Boston Public and St Elsewhere around.

randomguy

03-25-2002, 10:22 PM

Animated Drama is a brilliant idea, as well as one that's barely been tapped into. I do independent animation with a few friends (flash stuff), and what we're working on now is a drama (pretty much). Seeing as how the idea really hasn't been taken advantage of much, I think it's a brilliant idea, and something that would be VERY fresh. Think about it: there's a good deal of people out there who equate animation to comedy, and action (there's a lot of cartoons pandering to both), but drama? That would really stretch the boundaries of what the medium has conventionally been used for. I say go for it. It would be one way for Adult Swim to really add something to the world of animation, in a major way, to initiate a revolutionary move like that.

randomguy

03-25-2002, 10:27 PM

I mean, yeah, all the action shows already have drama, but they don't seem to really pander to it. I mean, I don't think you could do a drama and have it go to ASA by default- I mean, if it was real-life show, then there probably wouldn't BE any action. That's actually been something worrying me up to this point- if someone has a great idea for a show which can't be considered action or comedy, where does it go (kinda the reason I would have rather seen it split up between domestic/foreign, if at all)? A drama block, obviously not as long as the others, would allow for some flexibility in terms of what can be shown. I don't see how it could possibly HURT the block. Even if it was a failed experiment, you could still commend CN for trying something new.

Shnay

03-25-2002, 10:33 PM

I wasn't talking about showing "traditional" dramas. Actually, now that I think about it, the name "drama" implies something that wasn't really what I was going for. I guess I was talking about something that isn't supposed to be entertaining in its' plot, jokes or action. But rather something that explores different aspects of people, life, politics, or pop culture through different styles of animation. I think something like this would be open to a great amount of artistic freedom. And, if done well, could be something unlike anything people have never seen before.

Now, obviously, this isn't exactly realistic. Cartoon Network has trouble getting unedited anime, so shows that explore the boundries of animation are most likely out of the question. But I had been thinking about something like this for the past few days, so when I heard about a future third night for AS, I couldn't help but imagine the possibilities.

randomguy

03-25-2002, 10:39 PM

Now, obviously, this isn't exactly realistic. Cartoon Network has trouble getting unedited anime, so shows that explore the boundries of animation are most likely out of the question. But I had been thinking about something like this for the past few days, so when I heard about a future third night for AS, I couldn't help but imagine the possibilities.

Actually, I didn't mean anime. I figured something exclusive would be best. You know, tailored for AS. And I didn't mean drama in the traditional sense either. Like you said, just something to stretch genre conventions.

Shnay

03-25-2002, 11:25 PM

Originally posted by randomguy

Actually, I didn't mean anime. I figured something exclusive would be best. You know, tailored for AS. And I didn't mean drama in the traditional sense either. Like you said, just something to stretch genre conventions.

I actually didn't see your posts when I was posting mine (they were written at about the same time). It was just a reply to some questions/doubts people had about the original post I did. What we have here, is a failure to communicate. :)

The Drizzle

03-26-2002, 03:07 AM

Originally posted by Calhoun07
How many animated dramas are out there? Not too many cartoon versions of Boston Public and St Elsewhere around.

Evangelion is kind of an action-drama. A very deep series. It would probably go on ASA though, being that it's both action and anime.

And I really wish they would show Eva on AS. It's quality anime and very mature, like Cowboy Bebop. I can assume that it would be edited a bit more than Bebop though.

Hollywood53

03-26-2002, 03:46 PM

Invasion America would also qualify as a drama

Beat

03-26-2002, 03:48 PM

Once again,

EVA WILL NEVER AIR!

It's getting annoying repeating this to the dreamers.

Mike Spiegel

03-26-2002, 05:33 PM

Never say never.

Calhoun07

03-26-2002, 05:57 PM

While there are a few good animated dramas out there (Please Save My Earth, Grave of the Fireflies, and Rail of the Stars rocket immediately to mind) all the ones I know of are from Japan. While that is not a bad thing, I don't want to see ASD become Toonami Drama either. I want to see what America has to offer. And I really think that this would be the perfect vehicle to adapt some alternative comic books into animated series.

Who here would not want to see animated projects from the likes of Daniel Clowes, the Hernandez Brothers, Charles Burns, Chester Brown, Robert Crumb, and Adrian Tomine? Among others, of course. Underground and independent comics have shown that good and great stories CAN be told without using comedy or action as the driving forces for those plots. And I have long been disappointed that we haven't seen those great stories in independent comics spin off into animated series.

Of course, who would tune in? Fox would hardly green light a project by Charles Burns or Chester Brown. I mean, could you even imagine THAT? But if Adult Swim Drama became a reality, these creators could have a place to showcase their talent. And I have seen Daniel Clowes do flash animation before as a promo for David Boring, so I think he could pull it off for a series.

The audience might be more limited for ASD than for ASC or ASA but I really hope this comes to be. I also hope somebody from Cartoon Network and/or Williams St reads this and takes the idea to heart!

KingKoopa

03-26-2002, 06:09 PM

Originally posted by Beatdigga
Once again,

EVA WILL NEVER AIR!

It's getting annoying repeating this to the dreamers. The same has been said about Bebop.

The Drizzle

03-26-2002, 09:55 PM

Originally posted by Beatdigga
Once again,

EVA WILL NEVER AIR!

It's getting annoying repeating this to the dreamers.

First, I NEVER SAID IT WOULD!

Second, it doesn't really matter to me because I've seen the whole series already.

Third, anything is possible.

:D :D :D :D

Calhoun07

03-26-2002, 09:58 PM

Anything is possible? Then how about Adult Swim Polka!!!! Animated polka shows for three hours straight!

The Drizzle

03-26-2002, 10:06 PM

Originally posted by Calhoun07
Anything is possible? Then how about Adult Swim Polka!!!! Animated polka shows for three hours straight!

If only people would watch.......

randomguy

03-26-2002, 10:20 PM

In regards to your original posts Calhoun (where you mentioned the almighty Daniel Clowes), I say ROCK ON, my friend! I've been touting the benefits of the underground/indie scene for a few weeks now. It's like whenever you mention something outside comedy everybody automatically thinks anime. I really wanna see some American stuff here.

The Drizzle

03-26-2002, 10:23 PM

Originally posted by randomguy
It's like whenever you mention something outside comedy everybody automatically thinks anime. I really wanna see some American stuff here.

They could make a new Batman series or maybe Men in Black, perhaps even Spider-Man. Just throwing out ideas.

JTurner954

03-26-2002, 10:29 PM

I just wish they would continue to repeat it on Thursday. After all, aren't more people watching the news/March Madness basketball (or last week the Oscars) from 10-12 in different areas. It makes the most sense to me.

randomguy

03-26-2002, 10:56 PM

They could make a new Batman series or maybe Men in Black, perhaps even Spider-Man. Just throwing out ideas.

Nah we're not talking action here, we're talking drama. That means an at least relatively real-life setting. So no supervillians or radioactive spiders here. That also means something where the focus isn't action (as it would be with those three) but character interaction and whatnot. Plus, I was kinda talking more about underground stuff, that hasn't been totally exposed to the mainstream yet. Like Calhoun said, some Daniel Clowes stuff would be great. What about a Ghost World animated series? It's easily one of the most endearing movies/comics I've ever seen.

The Drizzle

03-26-2002, 10:59 PM

Originally posted by randomguy
Plus, I was kinda talking more about underground stuff, that hasn't been totally exposed to the mainstream yet.

But I'm Mr Mainstream and I want Batman! :p

Shnay

03-26-2002, 11:09 PM

Originally posted by randomguy
What about a Ghost World animated series? It's easily one of the most endearing movies/comics I've ever seen.

Of course Ghost World would be great, but I think it might be hard to do right. Also...
Since Enid moved on at the end of the moive, were you thinking of something based strictly on the comics/graphic novels?

I think another cool idea would be to have a show with a great environment and atmosphere, like Ghost World, but didn't keep the focus on a few characters. What if, in each show, we followed a different character and saw their own unique successes, tradgedies, and everything in between? It would be like a different animated short film every week, with the unifying element being the atmosphere/setting of the town (or where ever).

Sure, these ideas might not be the most realistic possibilities for Cartoon Network, but it's great to throw around ideas like this.

Calhoun07

03-26-2002, 11:35 PM

When animators can make a movie like Waking Life on a Mac and get critical and fan praise, and nearly turn the heads of the Oscars (Ebert tried to get them to see the light, but they put Jimmy Neutron in for best animated movie. Ugh!), I think the time is ripe for an animated drama. And Daniel Clowes would be a perfect creator to headline such a line up. Of course, I would want to see contributions from some of the other creators I named. Adrian Tomine's comic book series Optic Nerve would make for a great animated drama series that would be like what Shnay suggested, with the anthology type series with a unifying theme.

Tails Prower

03-27-2002, 12:02 AM

March Madness is almost over anyways...and on a related note...GO TERPS! (Guess where i live...)

Beat

03-27-2002, 02:34 PM

Originally posted by KingKoopa
The same has been said about Bebop.

Yes, but Bandai's terms weren't nearly as ridiculous as ADV's. A 100% uncut show on a family network is ludicrous.

KingKoopa

03-27-2002, 04:17 PM

Originally posted by Beatdigga

Yes, but Bandai's terms weren't nearly as ridiculous as ADV's. A 100% uncut show on a family network is ludicrous. In a year, that will be possible in Adult Swim.

But those aren't ADV's terms at all. It was just some rumor as dumb as DBAF.

Koggit

03-27-2002, 06:20 PM

Originally posted by KingKoopa
But those aren't ADV's terms at all. It was just some rumor as dumb as DBAF.

Yeah, I mean, we all know how inaccurate www.AnimeNewsNetwork.com 's news is, right?

They've never posted a rumor as news before, I don't see any reason not to beleive it.

randomguy

03-27-2002, 10:28 PM

Of course Ghost World would be great, but I think it might be hard to do right.

Well yeah, I was pondering the idea of basing it solely on the comic. But what about setting it in Enid's high school career, which she's just finished up in both the novel and the movie? I'm willing to bet that her perspective on the four-year hell that is high school would be very intriguing. Like an even more cynical Daria.

randomguy

03-27-2002, 10:29 PM

You know, a prequel. They seem to be popular these days ;) Also, while I think about it, throw in Steve Buscemi's character. Screw continuity. I like him.

Shnay

03-27-2002, 11:12 PM

randomguy

03-27-2002, 11:57 PM

I think don't think it's possible to not like Steve Buscemi. Think he would be available for voice work? He seems like, if the project was right, that he would be the type to go for it. He did a voice for the Final Fantasy movie, and he's also done an infinite ammount of independent movies. So I'm guessing if something really was really intriguing to him, he might do it, regarldess of how doing a "voice for a cartoon" might look.

Yeah that would be awesome. He stunk in Final Fantasy, but that was the writing, not him. He's one of my favorite actors, extremely charismatic despite his scrawny looks and strange voice. I would think he'd be great in voice work. Hell, as long as we're dreaming, tap Thora Birch for Enid. Speaking as one who read the comic first, I was downright amazed at how SPOT-ON casting her was. She was a perfect Enid in every way.

PPRyan

03-28-2002, 01:55 AM

Originally posted by Beatdigga
Yes, but Bandai's terms weren't nearly as ridiculous as ADV's. A 100% uncut show on a family network is ludicrous.

I know this is a bit late (and probably an extremely stupid question), but why couldn't they show a 100% uncut show on CN? I mean, did anyone here see the "Season on the Brink" movie on ESPN about Bobby Knight? ESPN's a basic cable station, family-based network, and owned by Disney I might add. The must have said the F-word a couple hundred times, not to mention a bunch of other words that I've never heard on television. And you know thousands of kids watched that, too. Hilarious stuff.

Ok, back to the question. Why can't they show uncut anime?

VinceA

03-28-2002, 07:38 AM

It's probably because one's a sports channel (not associated with an art form typically, though incorrectly, linked to children) while the other is linked to (and even named for) cartoons.

An uptight person (be them parent or not) hearing the 'f' word on Cartoon Network (even if it's at 1AM) would have a fit resulting in letters being sent to everyone that they can find an address for.

Beat

03-28-2002, 01:17 PM

Exactly.

McGuirk

04-05-2002, 10:31 AM

Originally posted by Calhoun07
How many animated dramas are out there? Not too many cartoon versions of Boston Public and St Elsewhere around.

Boston Public IS a cartoon.

stanteau

04-05-2002, 10:42 AM

If you need animated drama turn to your good friend anime.There's Kare Kano (His and Her Circumstances),Now and Than Here and There,even Inu Yasha (starts comedy but damn has it gotten intense).Plus movies like Perfect Blue or Jin-Roh.

Calhoun07

04-05-2002, 11:47 AM

Originally posted by McGuirk

Boston Public IS a cartoon.

Hmmm...wasn't aware George Lucas was putting in CGI characters in that show!

stanteau

04-05-2002, 11:55 AM

And don't ruin Ghost world by making it into a cartoon,that movie was so perfect,some things don't need spinoffs.

Why not buy Daria and restart it with her in college.

Calhoun07

04-05-2002, 12:39 PM

I was thinking more along the lines of David Boring for a Daniel Clowes animated project. And why would it have to be a series? Why couldn't AS get some people to do mini series for them? Network TV gets mini series all the time, so why not Cartoon Network and Adult Swim? It would give us a chance to see some good variety without getting a something that may not work as a series. And I don't think either Ghost World or David Boring would work very well as an on going series.

I agree a spin off from the Ghost World movie would be wrong, but perhaps if they adapted the comic book in animated form? I don't know, I still think I would rather see David Boring. Or a Lloyd Llewellin series!

Mecha Washu

04-05-2002, 01:16 PM

I don't know how much of a "Drama" this falls under, but I think Love Hina would be a wonderful addition. It has Drama and Comedy, its fairly tame besides bits of fan service here and there. the first few episodes have all ready been dubbed so it couldnt be too hard getting it on the air