Diehard Batfans: Who can't he beat?

[don Jaime]

I've been watching the "BB vs Spider-Man" thread for a few days, and musing on how DC writers view the original Batman as the most capable character at their disposal, and got to wondering.

Is there anyone who Batman cannot beat, no matter how hard he tries? Or can he take anybody in comics or animation, from Spider-Man to Son Goku? You can use Wayne or McGinnis, whichever you want.

[Calhoun07]

I bet Batman couldn't take Wolverine. Heck, even Wolvie killed Hulk in a What If issue.

[James Harvey]

This kinda thread belong in the JUSTICE LEAGUE BOARD so I'm gonnsa move it over there. I hope you don't mind.

[Calhoun07]

cool :)

[NewMaxFranklin]

I'm gonna split my list into those I think would have a good shot at beating Bats and those who Bats wouldn't have prayer against.

Good shot at victory:
Captain America:
Sheild, peak human strength, stamina, etc.
Nightwing:
Basically Batman Jr. Less experienced but, he's a youthful 20-something. While, Bats is creeping up on 40.
Wolverine:
Healing Factor, animantium reinforced skeleton and claws.
Hulk:
Bats defeated Hulk(the dumb, "Hulk Smash"-version) several times.) But the Bruce-Banner's-mind-in-Hulk's-body version would be a different story.
Ryu:
Yes, the Street Fighter guy. "Hadoken!"
Bruce Lee:
Major Kusunagi (Ghost in the Shell.)
Buffy The Vampire Slayer
Connor Macleod (The Highlander)
Flash
GL
Juggernaut
Daredevil
The Guiver

Bats can't beat
Braniac
Darkside
Silver Surfer
IronMan
Piccilo, Son Goku, etc.

[watsonlives]

With enough time to plan, I think Batman (bruce wayne) could beat almost anyone. Look at the Bable storyline in JLA. Batmans greatest assets are his mind and will, not martial arts or gadgets.

[don Jaime]

Yeah, thanks for the move. I didn't know where this went.

Looking over the lists...Wolverine? Come from downwind and lasso him, kick him in the face until you knock him out. Logan really only shines against idiots. Possible, but not a clear shot.

He might could hack Brainiac and Iron Man.

A head-to-head battle with Goku is out of the question, Batman would get creamed. But if he loads a sleeping agent into any food within a mile of him....

I've always wanted to see him take on Magneto or Doctor Doom. I can't think of an easy way for him to beat them.

[Calhoun07]

How about Batman and Dark Claw? I think Dark Claw could defeat Batman!

[watsonlives]

dark claw, though a Bats, Wolvie blend, Is still Logan, not Bruce Wayne. I think he would have a better chance than Regular marvel wolverine, though. The movie wolverine would loose however. It didn't look like he knew much martial arts.

[Joe Tully]

Since Dark Claw is essentially Batman with Wolverine's adamantium and healing ability, yeah, Dark Claw would be my favorite in the fight.

[Nightwing]

I always thought Batman vs. Wolverine was an unfair fight. By Wolverine was genetically given the traits to be the ultimate warrior, automatically. But I was sure that even though Wolverine would win, Bruce would be discovered as almost equal. So we'd be reassured at how great Bruce is as a character, physically, becase he almost got to the strength and level that evolution got for Wolverine.

BUT, this is ONLY my own opinion about this particular fight because I heard that in an Elseworld's crossover, Batman beat Wolverine. So shows what I know about the comic world! ;)

I don't think Bruce would lose to Brainiac. We all know Bruce, and lord knows after his run in with Brainiac in "Knight Time" he's be sure to keep an eye on such a strong android opponent. So I'm sure there would be some tricks up his sleeve.

I don't pit Batman against figher's like Ryu or Goku because of their special powers. I think it's a bit unfair, but even moreso with Goku than it is Ryu, because those DBZ creators gave Goku too many darn powers! I mean take a break! Besides which, I don't blend American culture anime with Japanese, unless the animators themselves plan to do it. DBZ and Batman are two completely different worlds.

The only person I can think of who could actually beat Batman (which ticks me off, of course) is this freaky guy in the comics who Bruce had to fight one time. I don't remember his name, but Bruce at one point had to trick the guy and lock him up somewhere until the police arrived. Little help?

[joker]

Originally posted by calhoun07
I bet Batman couldn't take Wolverine. Heck, even Wolvie killed Hulk in a What If issue.
sorry but hulk could sooo beat wolverine. wizard did an arcticle on the top 10 toughest super heroes. hulk was number ten. wolverine was no where on the list.....but yeah i guess batman could not beat wolverine.

[Inque]

He can't beat Clayface. And he can't be Inque in the future. No matter what happens they'll always come back.

[Beyond Batman]

Actually, this post makes me wonder, who did beat Batman? Not in Else World's but in the regular continueum. The only person I could think of is Bane in Knightfall. Of course in that story, Batman was pushed to his limits.

Did anyone else beat Batman, if so, I'd like to know?

[Calhoun07]

Originally posted by joker

sorry but hulk could sooo beat wolverine. wizard did an arcticle on the top 10 toughest super heroes. hulk was number ten. wolverine was no where on the list.....but yeah i guess batman could not beat wolverine.

I guess you didn't see the What If issue I am talking about, What if Hulk Went Bezerk? Wolvie managed to kill the Hulk off, slicing his claws thru his neck.

[don Jaime]

Originally posted by Inque
He can't beat Clayface. And he can't be Inque in the future. No matter what happens they'll always come back.

I didn't say they couldn't come back. I said that he couldn't defeat them. And he's defeated Clayface a hundred times, and Inque's track record is pretty shabby, too.

[Inque]

but with Inque, it's always been luck.

Blackout: almost near death, and wouldn't have defeated Inque if it wasn't for Mr. Freeze's gun at the last minute.

Disappearing Inque: near death again, and wouldn't have defeated Inque if it wasn't for Aaron at the last minute.

Inqueling: almost died again, and wouldn't have defeated Inque if it wasn't for Deanna and the way she put solvent in the mutagen.

[watsonlives]

Batman Vs Woverine. If wolvie could catch him by suprise and pop a claw in him within 2 minutes of fighting, he would win no problem. after that batman would guage his opponents general ability level, and seeing they are almost eaqual, would cheat. batman wouldnt expect the healing factor, which would give wolvie another chance to catch him by suprise. wlovies biggest disaddvantage though, would be beserker rage. He then goes by instinct, not thought. If he doesnt catch batman in his very first attack he will be quickly outsmarted. as in most fights, anyone can win, given the conditions of the battle.

[NewMaxFranklin]

Originally posted by watsonlives
As in most fights, anyone can win, given the conditions of the battle.

Well stated.

[SilentBob173]

In my opinion, one of the larger threats for Batman might be Green Lantern. EIther one, but I think Hal Jordan more than Kyle Rayner. GL's ring can practically do anything. Even if Batman got the suprise drop on GL. GL could have a shield around as soon as felt the first blow. He could punch a hole in Batman's chest before the fight had lasted a full 2 minutes.
Cheers.
Jason S

[watsonlives]

Bats has had two confrontations with GLs. During the death of superman he knocked Guy Gardener out with one punch. He also once shook Kyles hand and palmed the ring. He came up with what Ras Al Ghul used to defeat GL in the Tower of Bable story in JLA, turning Kyle blind. Using the ring reqires consentration and will power. Bats knows this. Only if cahgt by suprise would he be beaten. Most likely he would use a sonic device or a bright flash of light to disorient them and then take them out before they could recover. Batmans asset is his mind. If he has enough time to use it, he will probably win. If not, there isn't much defence against a super powered foe.