"Dragon Ball Kai" FUNimation Home Video Release News & Discussion

[Jacob T. Paschal]

I figured we could use a thread seperate from the licensing thread and the original Japanese run of episodes to discuss the home video release of Dragon Ball Kai as released by FUNimation Entertainment.

Anyhow, Dragon Ball Kai Season One Part One is now available for pre-order from RightStuf. This post will frequently be updated with the listings for the new home video releases. Remember, Dragon Ball Kai is being released on both DVD and Blu-ray formats.

Season One Part One: DVD (http://www.rightstuf.com/cgi-bin/catalogmgr/B9iG0E0TRGeDglSAXP/browse/item/86816/4/0/0') | Blu-ray (http://www.rightstuf.com/cgi-bin/catalogmgr/B9iG0E0TRGeDglSAXP/browse/item/86817/4/0/0)

Son Gokû and friends are drawn into a ferious battle to save Earth from the Saiyans. Renewed and 'refreshed', Dragon Ball Kai retells the story of Dragon Ball Z in a quicker and speedier format.



Here is a quick rundown of the Japanese releases of Dragon Ball Kai:

Television Broadcast: Dragon Ball Kai is aired at 9AM Sunday mornings Japan time, preceeding One Piece, in a high definition cropped wide screen presentation.
DVD Release: Dragon Ball Kai is planned for a total of 33 DVD singles, each three episodes a piece. This release sports a standard definition master of the cropped wide screen presentation of the series.
Blu-ray Release: Dragon Ball Kai is planned for a total of 8 Blu-ray box sets. This release uses a high definition full screen master of the series, retaining the 'refreshed' Dragon Ball Z's original aspect ratio.

Currently we are unsure of Dragon Ball Kai's aspect ratios for FUNimation's home video releases.


Discuss!

[Dragonpiece]

Leave it to ToonZone's number 1 fanboy to make a thread for this:anime:

But I really can't wait to get news on this. If Funimation does not get new information out at Katsucon themselves, I hope someone asks about this.

[Jacob T. Paschal]

I'm hoping Zach will be able to choke some information out of Adam while he's there.


Anyhow, I think it'll be a while before I can start collecting Dragon Ball Kai. I need to get a job before I can spend so much dough on it. :p

[Ryusuke]

I haven't been collecting the Orange Boxes or Dragon Boxes, so I guess Dragon Ball Z: Kai would be a good place to start my Dragon Ball Z collection. 'sides...I'm curious about the new dub. :sweat:

[GingaDaiuchuu]

RightStuf should have their next FUNimation sale in May, so hopefully I'll be able to save 40% on the first Blu-ray set and still get it around its release date. I can't wait!

[King]

What? No DVD's cover art yet? Anyways, how many episodes will FUNi will gives us? I'm in doubts FUNI will go back the their old habits of showing 3 episodes in one DVD again. Yeah, Japan is doing that, but that doesn't mean the U.S should do that too.
Well, if I ever do get the DVD's, I will get it for the dubs. Nothing else but that.

[Ryusuke]

What? No DVD's cover art yet? Anyways, how many episodes will FUNi will gives us? I'm in doubts FUNI will go back the their old habits of showing 3 episodes in one DVD again. Yeah, Japan is doing that, but that doesn't mean the U.S should do that too.
Well, if I ever do get the DVD's, I will get it for the dubs. Nothing else but that.
They're doing the Season 1 Part 1 thing again, so I imagine we'll be getting about 12 - 13 episodes per set.

[Dragonpiece]

What? No DVD's cover art yet? Anyways, how many episodes will FUNi will gives us? I'm in doubts FUNI will go back the their old habits of showing 3 episodes in one DVD again. Yeah, Japan is doing that, but that doesn't mean the U.S should do that too.
Well, if I ever do get the DVD's, I will get it for the dubs. Nothing else but that.

I am pretty sure they won't go the single route seeing this set costing 50$. A friend of mine, Kendamu, suggested they may just bed 8 episode sets since the first season of Kai was only 17 episodes as I recall. But if that was the case they should have lowerd the price, as Funimation has the same price for One Piece dvd sets which have at least 12 episodes.

[Jacob T. Paschal]

Dragon Ball Kai isn't done in a 'season' format. The Saiyan arc ends with episode #16, however. I don't foresee FUNimation doing a set of eight. It'll likely be 12-13 episodes long considering it's going for fifty bucks.

[Dragonpiece]

Dragon Ball Kai isn't done in a 'season' format. The Saiyan arc ends with episode #16, however. I don't foresee FUNimation doing a set of eight. It'll likely be 12-13 episodes long considering it's going for fifty bucks.

That's what I said we will just have to see what Funimation says tomorrow...

[PC!]

I really wish they'd just release the sets by storyline instead of episode count. Surely they could find good "arcs" to compose each set.

[Jacob T. Paschal]

I really wish they'd just release the sets by storyline instead of episode count. Surely they could find good "arcs" to compose each set.

That wouldn't be the best business decision. If the first set ended on episode thirteen they'd leave off with the first episode of Gokû's fight with Vegeta, meaning if one wanted the entire fight they'd have to spend money for both the first and second set, not to mention all knew series' are all done in this 12-14 per $50 set model.

Also, with the Namek arc...that's almost 30 episodes long so far...not going to be in one set...

[King]

That wouldn't be the best business decision. If the first set ended on episode thirteen they'd leave off with the first episode of Gokû's fight with Vegeta, meaning if one wanted the entire fight they'd have to spend money for both the first and second set, not to mention all knew series' are all done in this 12-14 per $50 set model.

Hmmm, $50 for 12-14 episodes sounds way to much if you ask me. I mean, the DBZ season boxsets that has 30+ episodes cost no less than 30$ a pop.

[Jacob T. Paschal]

Hmmm, $50 for 12-14 episodes sounds way to much if you ask me. I mean, the DBZ season boxsets that has 30+ episodes cost no less than 30$ a pop.

Dragon Ball Z is a show FUNimation has owned the license to in the US for fifteen years. They've release it four times. They've made their money on that show.

Dragon Ball Kai, however, is a series they have not made a lot of money off of. In fact, they have made no money off of it, thus they must use a model that has proven to be a successful one. Newly licensed series' cost a lot of money, after all.

[Dragonpiece]

Hmmm, $50 for 12-14 episodes sounds way to much if you ask me. I mean, the DBZ season boxsets that has 30+ episodes cost no less than 30$ a pop.

There's a difference though DBZ was made in the 80's while Kai just came out this year. There is definitely a reason why there is a price upgrade.


EDIT: Drats, Jacob Mr.Jacob beat me!

[jph139]

Hmmm, $50 for 12-14 episodes sounds way to much if you ask me. I mean, the DBZ season boxsets that has 30+ episodes cost no less than 30$ a pop.

$50 MSRP is par-for-the-course for new anime releases; One Piece is ten years old and goes for that, while Kai (even if the footage is ancient) is brand new and likely VERY expensive to license.

I doubt it'll cost the full $50 at most places, though; RightStuf has the Blu-Ray for about $40 and I'd say that's a fair price if you want it right away.

Personally, though, I'm going to wait and see, if I get it at all. Depends on how consistent the dub is with the original series, to be honest... gah, my weird hang-ups and desire for consistency makes buying Dragon Ball stuff so stressful.

[Jacob T. Paschal]

$50 MSRP is par-for-the-course for new anime releases; One Piece is ten years old and goes for that, while Kai (even if the footage is ancient) is brand new and likely VERY expensive to license.

I doubt it'll cost the full $50 at most places, though; RightStuf has the Blu-Ray for about $40 and I'd say that's a fair price if you want it right away.

Personally, though, I'm going to wait and see, if I get it at all. Depends on how consistent the dub is with the original series, to be honest... gah, my weird hang-ups and desire for consistency makes buying Dragon Ball stuff so stressful.

Yeah, not to mention Dragon Ball Kai is still airing, is still being released in Japan on home video (quite expensively, too) and this is the first foreign licensing and release of Dragon Ball Kai that we know of.


If you want consistency...just watch the Japanese version. It's the most consistent...save for only the packaging differences between Dragon Ball, Dragon Ball Z, Dragon Ball GT, and Dragon Ball Kai.

[King]

Alright, alright, alright ppl. I get it, I get it. I'm just saying thats little to much. Just saying. Not hating.

[Mynd Hed]

Keep in mind that MSRP bears very little relation to the actual real-world price. Keep an eye on RightStuf and wait for sales and you'll likely be able to get it for a lot less if you're of a mind to be frugal.

[PC!]

That wouldn't be the best business decision. If the first set ended on episode thirteen they'd leave off with the first episode of Gokû's fight with Vegeta, meaning if one wanted the entire fight they'd have to spend money for both the first and second set, not to mention all knew series' are all done in this 12-14 per $50 set model.

Also, with the Namek arc...that's almost 30 episodes long so far...not going to be in one set...

Oh, I completely understand. Doesn't mean I like it, though. :p

[Raidon Makoto]

Keep in mind that MSRP bears very little relation to the actual real-world price. Keep an eye on RightStuf and wait for sales and you'll likely be able to get it for a lot less if you're of a mind to be frugal.
Yeah, the day it comes out, you'll be able to pick it up from Amazon Marketplace for $30 shipped.

[Jacob T. Paschal]

According to our man Zach Logan:

Son Gohan: Colleen Clinkenbeard
Bulma: Monica Rial
Pu'er and Chaozu: Brina Palencia
Narrator: Doc Morgan

"That's all the changes as of the first 20 or so episodes"


Damn, no new Freeza? :(


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[Ryusuke]

According to our man Zach Logan:

Son Gohan: Colleen Clinkenbeard
Bulma: Monica Rial
Pu'er and Chaozu: Brina Palencia
Narrator: Doc Morgan

"That's all the changes as of the first 20 or so episodes"


Damn, no new Freeza? :(


http://twitter.com/OnePiecePodcast
Why does it feel like they're choosing sound alikes? But, anywho, not bad choices, I think. But, no new Freeza's a bit of a downer. :(

[Dragonpiece]

I just hope Luffy will do a good job also we have the artwork for the first box.
http://img162.yfrog.com/img162/3595/2rkc.jpg

[Jacob T. Paschal]

Zach confirms the first set will be 13 episodes, meaning it will end with Gokû being forced to use the Three-Times Kaiô-ken.

[Dragonpiece]

Anyone know where a live feed of the convention is? I wanna see all of what they said.

[Jtaylor1]

Why Monica for Bulma? Why can't they use Caitlin Glass for Bulma and Monica for Puar?

[Innagadadavida]

That box art looks awful. Don't make me buy that, FUNimation.

[King]

I just hope Luffy will do a good job also we have the artwork for the first box.
http://img162.yfrog.com/img162/3595/2rkc.jpg

Ok, I'll take it. Simple but not to bad.

[G1Ravage]

According to our man Zach Logan:

Son Gohan: Colleen Clinkenbeard
Bulma: Monica Rial
Pu'er and Chaozu: Brina Palencia
Narrator: Doc Morgan

"That's all the changes as of the first 20 or so episodes"


Damn, no new Freeza? :(


http://twitter.com/OnePiecePodcast

Interesting. I don't see what they're trying to do here. Does this mean Kyle Hebert won't be returning as Teen Gohan should Kai ever get that far?

The ones being recast really didn't need to be, unless those actors are no longer available. That's really a shame that no one else has been recast thus far, unless the original actors are going to give a completely different performance. Still, there's no way Linda Young can make Freeza sound right.

I have a feeling this will be a "one and done" for me. I'll buy the first Blu-ray to come out just to see how it looks, and that'll be it. Dragon Boxes all the way.

[kidx]

Zach confirms the first set will be 13 episodes, meaning it will end with Gokû being forced to use the Three-Times Kaiô-ken.
seriously theyre gonna cut us short about 3 episodes before the actually saga wtf?!

[Jacob T. Paschal]

seriously theyre gonna cut us short about 3 episodes before the actually saga wtf?!

They do it with ever other non-Dragon Ball series they release. That's how things work.

[Prower]

Well this is disappointing. I was really hoping for a new dub cast. Well I guess people can't get everything they want. =/

Oh, and hello everyone.

[King]

Well, I'm pretty much happy the same old dub cast is back on. If they change the whole dub cast, I won't be ever thinking about geting DBKai.
And, the DBKai JP dub got there whole VA back.

seriously theyre gonna cut us short about 3 episodes before the actually saga wtf?!

They call those things “cliff-hangers”! Not a very good one, but enough for some ppl to keep on buying the DVD's.
Speaking of episodes, what episode is DBKai at? Sorry, but after watching episode 16 on DBKai kind of killed me watching the whole series.

[Dragonpiece]

Well, I'm pretty much happy the same old dub cast is back on. If they change the whole dub cast, I won't be ever thinking about geting DBKai.
And, the DBKai JP dub got there whole VA back.


They call those things “cliff-hangers”! Not a very good one, but enough for some ppl to keep on buying the DVD's.
Speaking of episodes, what episode is DBKai at? Sorry, but after watching episode 16 on DBKai kind of killed me watching the whole series.

DBKai is at episode 45 right now.

[King]

DBKai is at episode 45 right now.

Woow, really? I thought it will be around the 60+ episodes by now. Hmmm, is it me or FUNi gaining the rights and getting readying to produce DVD was kind of...Quick? I mean, the series is not done yet and or the series doesn't have enough episodes yet.....

[Ishtar]

According to our man Zach Logan:

Son Gohan: Colleen Clinkenbeard
Bulma: Monica Rial
Pu'er and Chaozu: Brina Palencia
Narrator: Doc Morgan

"That's all the changes as of the first 20 or so episodes"


Damn, no new Freeza? :(


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I was expecting Brina Palencia to replace Monica Antonelli for those roles, as she had done so for the recent video games. The others I really did not expect, especially no longer having Stephanie Nadolny as Gohan. I'll be interested in hearing Colleen's Gohan.

[Jacob T. Paschal]

According to Hebert FUNimation feels every new Dragon Ball series should have a different narrator...which is why we have Doc Morgan for Dragon Ball Kai.


Woow, really? I thought it will be around the 60+ episodes by now. Hmmm, is it me or FUNi gaining the rights and getting readying to produce DVD was kind of...Quick? I mean, the series is not done yet and or the series doesn't have enough episodes yet.....

Doing thirteen episodes every few months will allow them to stay behind Japan. We'll see maybe two or three sets in 2010 and the rest in the year following. Dragon Ball Kai is planned for ninety-nine episodes as it is, so it'll be Marchish 2011 when the series is finished in Japan.

[PC!]

...what the heck happened to Tiffany Volner and Stephanie Nadolny? They're keeping Frieza's dreadful voice and replacing Bulma's and Gohan's? Don't they still work for FUNimation?

The only good thing is no more ear-shattering Puar voice.

[Jacob T. Paschal]

...what the heck happened to Tiffany Volner and Stephanie Nadolny? They're keeping Frieza's dreadful voice and replacing Bulma's and Gohan's? Don't they still work for FUNimation?

The only good thing is no more ear-shattering Puar voice.

I doubt they've stepped into a FUNimation booth in five years. The video games were all recorded at Okratron5000 and neither has been in a FUNimation show for as long as I can remember. Pretty much the only voice actors still left from the newspaper ad days are Sabat, McFarland, Burgmeir, Cason, Strait, and...yeah, that's it actually...

[PC!]

Oh, then they probably left FUNimation a long time ago of their own accord, huh? That's not so bad then. Thanks for clearing that up.

Can't wait for new Puar.

[Ishtar]

I doubt they've stepped into a FUNimation booth in five years. The video games were all recorded at Okratron5000 and neither has been in a FUNimation show for as long as I can remember. Pretty much the only voice actors still left from the newspaper ad days are Sabat, McFarland, Burgmeir, Cason, Strait, and...yeah, that's it actually...
Yet they appear to still be flying Sean Schemmel from NY to record Goku. I'm guessing they thought Sean was too iconic as Goku, and Sean was willing to do it.

[Jacob T. Paschal]

Yet they appear to still be flying Sean Schemmel from NY to record Goku. I'm guessing they thought Sean was too iconic as Goku, and Sean was willing to do it.

So far as I know he was recording up in NY, at least for one of the games.

I'm not entirely sure they'd pay him to fly down either, so much as tell him come down if he wants money. I'm pretty sure other VAs fly over on their own accord.

[garfield15]

Damn, no new Freeza. Sucks.

Better brush up on those 10+ voices Sabat.

Clinkenbeard as Gohan. Hmmm...I hope she doesn't use her Luffy voice. That just wouldn't work.

[Jacob T. Paschal]

Damn, no new Freeza. Sucks.

Better brush up on those 10+ voices Sabat.

Clinkenbeard as Gohan. Hmmm...I hope she doesn't use her Luffy voice. That just wouldn't work.

Sabat does those roles for every game, I doubt he's forgotten how to.


Here's hoping the acting isn't terrible, however.

[O-chan]

As far as the new dub for the series goes I'm holding a "wait and see" approach. I think people are being far too negative for a dub that no one has ever heard yet. Dragonball (the original series) proved that the series can have a decent dub without completely revamping the dub cast. I'm actually glad that Gohan and Bulma are getting new voices. Not because I think that Stephany Nadolney and Tiffany Volmer needed to be replaced but their voices were once of the more awkward ones during DBZ's run. I actually preferred Bulma's original Ocean dub voice because the actress was capable of sounding slightly more youthful and age appropriate, Volmer always gave Bulma a "huskyness" to her voice that made her sound older than she was. Same with Gohan, while I liked Nadolney's Goku from Dragonball her Gohan always seemed slightly off and under-acted so the change is welcome.

I think the three major things fans wanted and didn't get with this dub is:
1. Resolving the Sabat is every other character issue.
2. Frieza getting re-casted.
3. Vegeta sounding more natural

This is Funi's last chance to dub the series and get it completely right from the ground up so as far as their choices go I'm just going to wait until May and see what the end result is.

O-chan

[King]

As far as the new dub for the series goes I'm holding a "wait and see" approach. I think people are being far too negative for a dub that no one has ever heard yet. Dragonball (the original series) proved that the series can have a decent dub without completely revamping the dub cast. I'm actually glad that Gohan and Bulma are getting new voices. Not because I think that Stephany Nadolney and Tiffany Volmer needed to be replaced but their voices were once of the more awkward ones during DBZ's run. I actually preferred Bulma's original Ocean dub voice because the actress was capable of sounding slightly more youthful and age appropriate, Volmer always gave Bulma a "huskyness" to her voice that made her sound older than she was. Same with Gohan, while I liked Nadolney's Goku from Dragonball her Gohan always seemed slightly off and under-acted so the change is welcome.

I think the three major things fans wanted and didn't get with this dub is:
1. Resolving the Sabat is every other character issue.
2. Frieza getting re-casted.
3. Vegeta sounding more natural

This is Funi's last chance to dub the series and get it completely right from the ground up so as far as their choices go I'm just going to wait until May and see what the end result is.

O-chan

On number 3, when FUNi re-dub the DBZ series (At least the first 60+ eps), Vegeta did have a more natural ton to him. To me I mean. Though...Recasting Frieza VA is a big if to me. After 12 years of hearing that voice, its going to be hard for some fans to take it.

As for the FUNi taking on the DBKai dubs, not worry about it. Its either going to be like One Piece level or yu yu hakusho level. I'm in huge doubts FUNi will go back to their old habits again....Again....Again....Again....Again.

[Jacob T. Paschal]

Freeza isn't the only one who is desperately in need of recasting. Lord Kaiô also needs to be recasted. Badly. He's absolutely nothing like the wise and authoritative master with an odd sense of humor he is in the original.


So long as Sabat voices over thirty characters he can't sound natural, because the closest thing to his natural voice is Yamcha. He has to make sure he isn't sounding like thirty different characters and that absolutely cripples his acting.

[King]

....Well, I was talking for myself there....:shrug:

[Jacob T. Paschal]

....Well, I was talking for myself there....:shrug:

I began my post before you posted yours.

[Dragonpiece]

To me it seems as if Funimation is just not caring about us fans, they just want that main crowd who don't give crap about how the show is seen they just like the cast. Why are they always trying to aim releases at them? Because there about 10 times more fans in that crowd than the crowd that actually gives a damn about the original show.

[King]

To me it seems as if Funimation is just not caring about us fans, they just want that main crowd who don't give crap about how the show is seen they just like the cast. Why are they always trying to aim releases at them? Because there about 10 times more fans in that crowd than the crowd that actually gives a damn about the original show.

Go to daizex -__-"

It seems ppl are little bit jumping the gun way to soon. I mean, ppl were complaining about the add "Z" and now ppl are complaining about...About...VA? Wait, how did we got here? Sorry, I'm getting little confuse here. What are we complaining about again? Everything what FUNi did or everything what FUNi going to do?
Either way, complaining about what FUNi is or isn't going to do is not going to slove the problem in hand. So far as we know, FUNi got the series, dubing it and bring it this year.

[G1Ravage]

I've now completely given up on FUNi ever doing anything right for the dub of DBZ. I felt Kai was the best chance for a complete top-to-bottom new experience, but they want the same old thing. The fact they want a different narrator for each series shows they know nothing about the Japanese version, where Jouji Yanami has been the narrator for EVERYTHING without the need to scream DRAGON BALL ZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZ at every opportunity.


And, the DBKai JP dub got there whole VA back.

No, a lot of secondary characters were replaced.

[Jacob T. Paschal]

To me it seems as if Funimation is just not caring about us fans, they just want that main crowd who don't give crap about how the show is seen they just like the cast. Why are they always trying to aim releases at them? Because there about 10 times more fans in that crowd than the crowd that actually gives a damn about the original show.

FUNimation has aimed all of one release at the fans of the original Japanese version of Dragon Ball, the Dragon Box. A release made specifically catering to the Japanese version of the show, not the dub. If the Dragon Ball Kai dub was marketted towards fans of the original Japanese version it is safe to say everyone of the characters would be recasted.

Here, however, they seem to just be saving us all the headache of using terrible scripts that make discussion between fans of both versions impossible. Hopefully we'll get the original names of characters, terms, places, and techniques.

[King]

I've now completely given up on FUNi ever doing anything right for the dub of DBZ. I felt Kai was the best chance for a complete top-to-bottom new experience, but they want the same old thing. The fact they want a different narrator for each series shows they know nothing about the Japanese version, where Jouji Yanami has been the narrator for EVERYTHING without the need to scream DRAGON BALL ZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZ at every opportunity.

And before FUNi release the DVD ppl are already complaing about the new dubs that hasn't been out yet. Wow, thats....Thats pretty fast.

[Dragonpiece]

Well here is what I think on most of the cast.

Son Goku- I think he was great in the original dragon ball dub, I actually think the original dragon ball dub was the best dub of all 3 series, so if he uses that voice I will be super happy. I just hope he doesn't to much like Z.

Kurrin- I actually think this guy did it right, just a ton less corny jokes and what not and don't act more like the JP counter-part he is good to go.

Vegeta- Now, this is my favorite character if they can make him sound like a prince I don't care how much roles Sabat has.

Piccolo- I think Sabat does just fine with this one. But like all the others no corny jokes

Freeza- Do I really need to say any thing, she is a terrible VA for this role.

EDIT: @Jacob, I guess you are right if they do make better script ajdustments I will thank Funimation personally.

[Jacob T. Paschal]

And before FUNi release the DVD ppl are already complaing about the new dubs that hasn't been out yet. Wow, thats....Thats pretty fast.

Those are legitimate complaints, however.

[King]

Still, some ppl are acting like FUNi is just going to get the old dubs they did and place them in the new series. I get it if its out already, but...The new dubs are not out yet. And, why listen to the dubs? Half of these ppl that are complaining about the dubs, hate the dubs to begin with. So, why keep on complaining?

Well here is what I think on most of the cast.

Son Goku- I think he was great in the original dragon ball dub, I actually think the original dragon ball dub was the best dub of all 3 series, so if he uses that voice I will be super happy. I just hope he doesn't to much like Z.

Kurrin- I actually think this guy did it right, just a ton less corny jokes and what not and don't act more like the JP counter-part he is good to go.

Vegeta- Now, this is my favorite character if they can make him sound like a prince I don't care how much roles Sabat has.

Piccolo- I think Sabat does just fine with this one. But like all the others no corny jokes

Freeza- Do I really need to say any thing, she is a terrible VA for this role.

I got a little mix with Goku's FUNi VA. I personally like the ocean dub Goku VA. He sound pretty young. But the Goku ocean dub VA can't play serious Goku unlike the FUNi VA.

Kurrin I just love. Don't change him. He's pefect.

Vegeta....Hit and miss. But don't change him.

Piccolo, same with Vegeta.

Freeza...I'm in a mix here.

[Jacob T. Paschal]

EDIT: @Jacob, I guess you are right if they do make better script ajdustments I will thank Funimation personally.

We'll be spared terrible dialogue, likely, but that doesn't necessarily mean the dub will be good.

[Daxdiv]

Hmm, so the only confirmed recasts are for Bulma, Puar, Chaozu, and Gohan. I'm actually curious to hear Colleen's take on Gohan if you ask me. As for the box, it's simplistic, yet I like it. Almost close to the JPN boxes minus the colors they use.

[Andrew T. Hingson]

Colleen Clinkenberd as Gohan... well like most people I hope she doesn't just use her Luffy voice cause that wouldn't be very appropriate. Hillarious that it was once rumored Nadonley would voice Luffy in the original planned dub of One Piece at FUNimation and now the voice of Luffy is taking over for Gohan.

Monica Rial for Bulma... hmm alright.

Hopefully the new narrator is good.

No recast on Frieza and Sabat is a third of the cast? Oh.... boy, not the best of choices. Can't say I'm surprised though.

Well I expect I'll probably enjoy the dub but I'll leave that judgement until I see it.

[Jacob T. Paschal]

Wow, did I seriously forget to link to Doc Morgan's website (http://docmorgan.net/)?

Anyhow, you can download a bunch of commercials and the link that Morgan has narrated for. Personally, I think he might be the nameless narrator from this old promo (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VfkAlx1FtCw) that was on the first Pioneer volume.

[Dragonpiece]

So instead of the Narrator being a Wrestler host, we are getting a radio host, I am just joking I don't want King to get mad:p

[King]

So instead of the Narrator being a Wrestler host, we are getting a radio host, I am just joking I don't want King to get mad:p

I'm not mad....SUPER SAIYN MAD!!!! (j/k)

Hmmm, this is not a big deal to me. Yeah...Not...

[Mynd Hed]

To me it seems as if Funimation is just not caring about us fans, they just want that main crowd who don't give crap about how the show is seen they just like the cast. Why are they always trying to aim releases at them? Because there about 10 times more fans in that crowd than the crowd that actually gives a damn about the original show.

To be fair, why should they cater to the purist fanbase with the new dub when 90% of them are going to be primarily watching the sub (and/or skipping Kai altogether in favor of the Dragon Box release) anyway? Like it or hate it, there are a LOT of people who have grown accustomed to the Funi DBZ dub cast from Toonami and the video games over the years, and I don't think there's anything wrong with giving them what they want. I certainly hope the dub script is a little more faithful to the original this time around, but beyond that I think changing around the cast any more than necessary to cut costs is only going alienate the majority of the primary target audience for the Kai dub. That's just bad business sense.

[Jacob T. Paschal]

To be fair, why should they cater to the purist fanbase with the new dub when 90% of them are going to be primarily watching the sub (and/or skipping Kai altogether in favor of the Dragon Box release) anyway? Like it or hate it, there are a LOT of people who have grown accustomed to the Funi DBZ dub cast from Toonami and the video games over the years, and I don't think there's anything wrong with giving them what they want. I certainly hope the dub script is a little more faithful to the original this time around, but beyond that I think changing around the cast any more than necessary to cut costs is only going alienate the majority of the primary target audience for the Kai dub. That's just bad business sense.

I believe the answer you're looking for is "We don't want to be embarressed by the dub anymore." Freeza, Kaiô, ReaCoom and thirty-plus other Sabat roles among a number of others are seen as innaccurate portrayals of the characters, both vocally and otherwise. Pretty much every character in the dub is played as some over-the-top caricature of some Saturday morning cartoon show, whereas the original plays itself far, far more straight.

But that's fans for you, moral allegiance to the original before a licensor's pocketbook. :p

[King]

I believe the answer you're looking for is "We don't want to be embarressed by the dub anymore." Freeza, Kaiô, ReaCoom and thirty-plus other Sabat roles among a number of others are seen as innaccurate portrayals of the characters, both vocally and otherwise. Pretty much every character in the dub is played as some over-the-top caricature of some Saturday morning cartoon show, whereas the original plays itself far, far more straight.

But that's fans for you, moral allegiance to the original before a licensor's pocketbook. :p

I know its your opinion and I'm force to r-r-r-r-respect it and all. But don't act like the original JP dubs was all clean, cut and P-E-R-F-E-C-T. Don't forget “They are ppl too...No ones p-p-p-perfect”. Hey, I'm not saying your wrong...But I'm also not saying your right. All I'm saying, “Nothings perfect”.

[Jacob T. Paschal]

I know its your opinion and I'm force to r-r-r-r-respect it and all. But don't act like the original JP dubs was all clean, cut and P-E-R-F-E-C-T. Don't forget “They are ppl too...No ones p-p-p-perfect”.

I haven't got the slightest clue how you continually get this out of my posts.

[King]

I haven't got the slightest clue how you continually get this out of my posts.

I could explain...But if I do, it will be another “DUB VS SUB: ROUND 378- FIGHT 2 THE DEATH”!

I get what you are saying. But, that was a little blod statement you clam about the dubs. Hey, I 100% agree the first 3 season of the dub wasn't so good, but that doesn't mean the dub didn't improve. Which, if you look at the Cell & Buu saga, it did improve a lot.

[Jacob T. Paschal]

I could explain...But if I do, it will be another “DUB VS SUB: ROUND 378- FIGHT 2 THE DEATH”!

I get what you are saying. But, that was a little blod statement you clam about the dubs. Hey, I 100% agree the first 3 season of the dub wasn't so good, but that doesn't mean the dub didn't improve. Which, if you look at the Cell & Buu saga, it did improve a lot.

Improvement does not mean the product is actually good, however. The dub across all three series' so far released is consistently below standards and out-of-tune with the tone present in the original.

[King]

Improvement does not mean the product is actually good, however. The dub across all three series' so far released is consistently below standards and out-of-tune with the tone present in the original.

What? Out of tone? I seen the originals before and I have to say they are out of tone half of the times like the dubs. The music doesn't work at some scenes, the JP dubs needs to work at some of their acting, and half of the time some of the JP VA doesn't fit the characters. And the original? Even with the JP dubs doesn't mean its good. I get it if you enjoy it, I get it if you hate the dub, but acting and keep on saying “The JP Dub is better because its was the original” doesn't mean its good. I already told you what original means. And fact I know “Original doesn't mean good”. Its first, thast it. Nothing else. Its first to dub it. Its first that gave the voice to those characters, Thats all.

Like I said, you like it? Cool. You hate the dubs? Cool. But acting like there's nothing wrong with the JP dub? Sorry, no. Yeah, its an opinion to think like that, but out front and clame it as a fact is something else. I'm not saying what you saying is wrong, but its not right too. Yeah, the new dubs sjould improve and stay focus to the JP. But not by tone, nor acting. Just up to the level where it become decent. And, lets face the facts, even if the dub manage to gain the same level like the JP dubs, ppl will still find away to complain and state “The JP dub is better because its the original”. Which, whats the point for FUNi to dub the series if a good half of the fanbase want to complaining and get they are trying their best to please them? Its a pointless fight since a good half of the fans will still complain and state JP is better.
Look, I'm not trying to change how you think about the JP dubs. I'm trying to make you think. Thats all. You can still enjoy the JP dubs. Go ahead. But even the great has their floss.

And come on man, there's has to be a time you watch the JP Dub and said “Hmmm, that didn't sound right” or “That could have gone better”. Don't tell me that never happen? Come on. :D

[GingaDaiuchuu]

All the new voices seem like they will fit, although I'm not fond of the idea of getting a new narrator for the sake of getting a new narrator, especially since he's never done anything I've heard before. The Brina roles were expected, but still welcome. Colleen should be fine as long as she doesn't use her Luffy voice. Monica has a great range, so I have confidence in her as Bulma. I'm more disappointed with the voices that weren't recast.

[Mynd Hed]

I believe the answer you're looking for is "We don't want to be embarressed by the dub anymore." Freeza, Kaiô, ReaCoom and thirty-plus other Sabat roles among a number of others are seen as innaccurate portrayals of the characters, both vocally and otherwise. Pretty much every character in the dub is played as some over-the-top caricature of some Saturday morning cartoon show, whereas the original plays itself far, far more straight.

Yes, and we can all hope that with a better script and better voice direction, the new dub will skew closer to the original while still retaining most of the same actors. But let's get serious: even if the dub were entirely recast with Japanese VA soundalikes, are you really going to suddenly start watching it over the subs, which are obviously your preferred version? And if the answer is "no," then why should Funi care WHAT you think? Your preferred version will be in there for you to enjoy, so what does it matter what the dub is like? Even if money weren't a factor, what would be the point of creating a dub to cater to a portion of the fanbase which is unlikely to ever watch more than an episode's worth of it out of curiosity?

I include myself in that portion of the fanbase, for the record: I'm curious how the new dub will turn out, but good or bad I don't see myself spending any serious time with it so at the end of the day they could cast Christopher Walken as half the characters and the Jonas Brothers as the other half for all I care.

[Goodfellow]

I'll definitely pick it up on Blu-Ray, but the aspect ratio better be 16x9, as that is how it was made.

As for the dub, I hope they do a more accurate script, as I wouldn't mind having a new dub to this show since some of the new Jp voices are just off character (Roshi, Popo, Chichi, and Gregory just do not sound right).

[Brad Redfield]

I'll definitely pick it up on Blu-Ray, but the aspect ratio better be 16x9, as that is how it was made.

...? It was made in 4:3 (at least for the HD home release) and a cryptic answer from Funimation says we're getting a 4:3 release.

[King]

I really don't know where ppl are getting the idea FUNi will go back to their old habits back in the mid 90's. Is it because most of the cast coming back? Or is it not everyone are re-cast?
This is me personally and I say FUNi will stay focus on the JP dub. There's no point for FUNi to edit, change music and or cut some scenes out....Since the series already done that.
And I bet the old VA cast that had work on DBZ before did improve. I mean, after working on a series for a good 15 years; I think they know what they need to improve on.
The only thing I'm worry...Are about the episodes. How many will FUNi pump out this year? And, some rumors are going by saying DBKai will be on TV. (Which I doubt, but still).

[Jacob T. Paschal]

But let's get serious: even if the dub were entirely recast with Japanese VA soundalikes, are you really going to suddenly start watching it over the subs, which are obviously your preferred version? And if the answer is "no," then why should Funi care WHAT you think? Your preferred version will be in there for you to enjoy, so what does it matter what the dub is like? Even if money weren't a factor, what would be the point of creating a dub to cater to a portion of the fanbase which is unlikely to ever watch more than an episode's worth of it out of curiosity?

Nah, I probably won't switch entirely over but I'd likely give it a shot, not that I was directly speaking of myself personally with that post (although it is an opinion I hold). It's the same situation with One Piece. Would it be unwarranted of fans to complain about the 4Kids dub if the Japanese version was being released along side it? While I don't entirely care to make Dragon Ball some huge mainstream success (more so, of course, than it is already) the dub and it's portrayals are not the something I could be proud of associating with a series I love as much as I do. For the most part I enjoy the Japanese One Piece dub more than the dub by FUNimation but that doesn't mean I don't find it to be a satisfactory 'mainstream' representation of the series. I could go back to the aspect ratio of the Orange Bricks, of course we're talking about apples and oranges when it comes to a film master and the flesh and blood people of the FUNimation cast.


...? It was made in 4:3 (at least for the HD home release) and a cryptic answer from Funimation says we're getting a 4:3 release.

Yeah, Dragon Ball Kai is natively a 4:3 show. Surprisingly, we're also getting it in 4:3 for the DVDs (the Japanese DVDs are cropped).

[Brad Redfield]

I wonder if it'll be a possible down-conversion from the HD masters? That's the only possible reason I can think of why the DVDs will be 4:3.

[Jacob T. Paschal]

I wonder if it'll be a possible down-conversion from the HD masters? That's the only possible reason I can think of why the DVDs will be 4:3.

Unless Toei had a 4:3 standard definition master lying around (well, they had the make the cropped version from something)...


...is down-scaling a safe process?

[Brad Redfield]

If Toei has 4:3 standard-definition masters then why aren't they--

Oh yeah. Toei. Never mind.

As for down-scaling, I'm not too sure myself.

[Kouji Tamino]

No, a lot of secondary characters were replaced.

Most likely because they were either dead or unavailable just like with FUNi's recasts. I doubt there was a conscious effort to replace them. There have been cases where they'd rather retire the character all together than recast them.

[Mynd Hed]

Nah, I probably won't switch entirely over but I'd likely give it a shot, not that I was directly speaking of myself personally with that post (although it is an opinion I hold). It's the same situation with One Piece. Would it be unwarranted of fans to complain about the 4Kids dub if the Japanese version was being released along side it? While I don't entirely care to make Dragon Ball some huge mainstream success (more so, of course, than it is already) the dub and it's portrayals are not the something I could be proud of associating with a series I love as much as I do. For the most part I enjoy the Japanese One Piece dub more than the dub by FUNimation but that doesn't mean I don't find it to be a satisfactory 'mainstream' representation of the series.

I think it's very unlikely that Funi's Kai dub will be anywhere near as bad as the 4Kids One Piece dub, even in a worst-case scenario. If we were talking rampant censorship and major plot and character changes, that would be one thing. But so far all we have to go on is a cast list, so let's give them the benefit of the doubt and assume they'll be working with a decent script and generally correcting previous inaccuracies in translation until and unless we have reason to believe otherwise.

I can certainly see your point about the old Funi DBZ dub, but that was ten years ago. They've shown a general trend of improvement since then and I have no reason to believe they'll return to the bad old days now.

[GWOtaku]

Unless Toei had a 4:3 standard definition master lying around (well, they had the make the cropped version from something)...

...is down-scaling a safe process?

Won't it just go through the same process that every other anime done in HD gets when it's released on DVD? Gundam 00, Fullmetal Alchemist Brotherhood, assorted movies, etc. Anyhow, we already know that the redrawn footage is originally 4:3 since that's what's on the Blu-Ray. There's certainly no video quality to be gained by using the zoomed in 16:9 cropping.

[Dragonpiece]

To me the main thing is, the dvds are also getting 4:3 when the Japanese didn't. And by the way has it been confirmed if we get Next Episode Previews?

[Jacob T. Paschal]

I think it's very unlikely that Funi's Kai dub will be anywhere near as bad as the 4Kids One Piece dub, even in a worst-case scenario. If we were talking rampant censorship and major plot and character changes, that would be one thing. But so far all we have to go on is a cast list, so let's give them the benefit of the doubt and assume they'll be working with a decent script and generally correcting previous inaccuracies in translation until and unless we have reason to believe otherwise.

I can certainly see your point about the old Funi DBZ dub, but that was ten years ago. They've shown a general trend of improvement since then and I have no reason to believe they'll return to the bad old days now.

Do not get me wrong, I'm holding them to their word on their plans for the Dragon Ball Kai scripts. If they say they're going to be careful about it than they had better be...'cause if not...there will be shaking of the head.


EDIT:


Most likely because they were either dead or unavailable just like with FUNi's recasts. I doubt there was a conscious effort to replace them. There have been cases where they'd rather retire the character all together than recast them.

All of the Ginyû Special Corps., Zarbon, Dodoria, and Kewie are still alive, actually. Nappa too, although speculation is that he's busy on another series where he is the lead. The recasts sort of came out of nowhere because they had all been doing the video games up until Raging Blast.


EDIT 2:


From Sabat:

Yes, there were some casting changes. And there were good reasons for all of them. I really can't go into it, but trust me the reasons are totally valid. But you have nothing to worry about. The new Narrator is awesome. Monica sounds JUST like Tiffany's Bulma, only better! Colleen is a very age-appropriate Gohan and brings a new quality of acting that you haven't experienced before. The scripts are totally true to the REAL story of DBZ. The new music and SFX are great. The editing of Kai is SO MUCH TIGHTER and more exciting than the original Z. You are going to LOVE this new version. A lot of hard work has gone into this new version and I'm sure that once you see how much better EVERYTHING is about this version you'll completely forget about all these little things that worry you now. Just wait...

He does note as well that he's the voice director on this production.


~Da Lemmy

[Prower]

He does note as well that he's the voice director on this production.

Well that explains everything.

[Jacob T. Paschal]

I'm done (http://blog.funimation.com/2010/02/funimation-announcements-from-katsucon/). Just...ugh.


FUNimation Entertainment Announces English Dub Cast of Dragon Ball Z Kai

Reprising their roles from Dragon Ball Z:

Goku – Sean Schemmel
Vegeta and Piccolo – Christopher R. Sabat
Raditz – Justin Cook
Master Roshi – Mike McFarland
Tien – John Burgmeier
Ox King – Kyle Hebert
Chi-Chi – Cynthia Cranz
Nappa – Phil Parsons

Also returning are Linda Chambers Young as Frieza and Sonny Strait as Krillin and Bardock.

Joining the cast:
Gohan – Colleen Clinkenbeard
Bulma – Monica Rial
Narrator – Doc Morgan
Chiaotzu and Puar – Brina Palencia

FUNimation Entertainment will begin releasing the series on DVD and Blu-ray starting with Part One on May 18, 2010.

[CyberCubed]

And this is a bad thing?

[Jacob T. Paschal]

And this is a bad thing?

Retaining their Freeza and thirty-plus Sabat voice characters is a bad thing.

Not to mention they're using incorrect names still.

[Soul]

You know I don't wanna be a butt and totally say "Oh get OVER IT!"
but oh wait I just did.
Nor do I overtly wanna get banned on this topic but come on Jacob, you've got your Japanese version, you've got the manga and you've even got the dang Dragon Boxes! Be happy!
Added, uh HELLO? You honestly think FUNimation would do major recasts?
Sure, everyone is a bit upset at Linda Young as Freeza but dude, if they tried changing up the cast drastically then they'd automatically alienated a fanbase that grew up watch that cast for over 10 years.

[GingaDaiuchuu]

Retaining their Freeza and thirty-plus Sabat voice characters is a bad thing.

Not to mention they're using incorrect names still.

I agree. This was their chance to fix their past mistakes and they blew it.

[Jacob T. Paschal]

You know I don't wanna be a butt and totally say "Oh get OVER IT!"
but oh wait I just did.
Nor do I overtly wanna get banned on this topic but come on Jacob, you've got your Japanese version, you've got the manga and you've even got the dang Dragon Boxes! Be happy!
Added, uh HELLO? You honestly think FUNimation would do major recasts?
Sure, everyone is a bit upset at Linda Young as Freeza but dude, if they tried changing up the cast drastically then they'd automatically alienated a fanbase that grew up watch that cast for over 10 years.

I am completely happy about those things. I see no reason I can't express distaste in things I have a legitiment problem with.

[King]

Hmmm, Colleen Clinkenbeard as Gohan. Well, this will be a new take on Gohan. I'm not to happy about it, nor am I worry. Its more like...."Damn".

EDIT:
But thank god Strait, Sabat and Schemmel are back. :D

[Dragonpiece]

In the end, after continusly looking at what I think is wrong with the dub, in the end it is mainly just the script with less corny jokes and the wrestiling and the small iffys I have I think the cast could actually do great. I will look forward to it.


EDIT: Where is Kurrin? Oh nevermind seems they are keeping him Krillin :(

[Mynd Hed]

While it would've been nice if they'd gone with Tenshinhan instead of Tien, Gyumao instead of Ox King, etc., I've got to say that hearing an English VA try to pronounce "Kuririn" would've been just painful. "Krillin" may not be the most accurate romanization, but darned if it isn't just plain easier on the ears.

Can't say I've heard Colleen Clinkenbeard as anything but Luffy, so I don't know what kind of range she has. Hearing Luffy's English voice (worst part of that dub IMO) come out of Gohan's mouth would make me die a little inside, so hopefully she's got a decent variety of little-kid voices to draw upon.

Inaccurate to the Japanese dub as I know it is, I've grown used to Linda Young's Freeza, so whatever. He's always been a pretty androgynous character, so don't mind giving him a granny voice. (-: I do hope that the new script retains his overly-polite way of speaking, though. From reading the manga and watching the subbed version I've grown to really like hearing stuff like "my dear Mr. Zarbon" from him.

For that matter, I've also noticed in many non-Funi translations that they make characters like Chi-Chi and Goku speak a little bit like country bumpkins compared to other characters, with little things like having them be the only character to use the word "ain't" or dropping the G and putting apostrophes at the end of "ing" words. As long as they didn't overplay it, it could be interesting to hear a dub that did that.

[Ryusuke]

Retaining their Freeza and thirty-plus Sabat voice characters is a bad thing.

Not to mention they're using incorrect names still.
I think the whole Sabat keeping the other characters he voices is still up in the air. I mean, it's only the first 13 episodes they've dubbed.

[Jacob T. Paschal]

While it would've been nice if they'd gone with Tenshinhan instead of Tien, Gyumao instead of Ox King, etc., I've got to say that hearing an English VA try to pronounce "Kuririn" would've been just painful. "Krillin" may not be the most accurate romanization, but darned if it isn't just plain easier on the ears.

Gah, I'm getting flashbacks to their inability to say 'Shin'.


Kuririn's not that hard to say...


EDIT:


I think the whole Sabat keeping the other characters he voices is still up in the air. I mean, it's only the first 13 episodes they've dubbed.

It's still Yamcha, Piccolo, Lord Kami, Mr. Popo, Shen Long, and Vegeta in one set.

[King]

...Hmmm...
So, everyone mad FUNi didn't recast the dub? I'm getting mix feelings and I'm getting a sixth sense another Dub vs Sub thing is going to start up (Again).

[Mynd Hed]

There's nothing wrong with comparing the dub to the sub or expressing a personal preference for one over the other. As long as we're all polite about it and respect each other's preferences, there's no reason why we can't discuss it.

[King]

There's nothing wrong with comparing the dub to the sub or expressing a personal preference for one over the other. As long as we're all polite about it and respect each other's preferences, there's no reason why we can't discuss it.

But, it just sounds like to me ppl are just complaining about the past and think FUNi will go back to their old habits since not everyone was recast. I get if we got a clip out or a trailer, but so far, we have nothing.
And, to me I mean, going back and flashing the same card “Nothing beats the original” doesn't really help.
So, whats the point of FUNi even trying to Dub it?
One side of the fans will bash it not matter what FUNi does and another will complain about and state the JP is better. Either way, FUNi are working hard on a new dub for nothing.

I get it if its out yet, but its not out. Most of the ppl are complaining about the past then what going on now. We have no audio clip, nothing. THATS NOW.

I get ppl are little worry, I get some ppl want this to be decent. But if you listening nothing but the subs , then whats the point about the new dubs? Your not going to listen to them since you made up your mind. So whats the point keep coming back to the dubs and complain about them.

I get if you listen to the dubs before, then got turn off by them and hope the new dubs will be better, than yeah. Thats understandable. But if your not going listen to the dubs to begin with, then whats the point about complaing and hoping it will be better? Your not going to listen to them.

If you don't like it, don't watch it.

EDIT:

Look, I'm hating hating, I'm not bashing, I'm not trying to be rude. The only thing I'm doing is asking this simple question:
Why do you (In general) keep coming back at things you don't like to begin with?

[Gorbash]

Here's how I see this, we already know that there are two groups in the DBZ fanbase, the subbies and the dubbies. Both of them are major parts of the DBZ market and the best part is that neither bothers to check out the other side. (If your a dubbie-subbie, then your just a small fraction.) So then what's the point of changing much?
If we did get casting changes as Jacob suggests, just about every dubbie would drop ship, because I'm sure every dubbie is driven by nostalgia. Now come on guys (subbies), why let the other side lose their fun if you're getting what your wanting? You'll most likely get your accurate subs with your precious japanese voices, but why let the dubbies have nothing to go to? Now doesn't that seem like a jerk move to you?

(Besides, Funi is a business and I'm sure losing either of you would be something they wouldn't want so they're keeping you separated.)

If that didn't make sense, then I'll revise it.

[Goodfellow]

...? It was made in 4:3 (at least for the HD home release) and a cryptic answer from Funimation says we're getting a 4:3 release.

Uh, no, Kai is in 16x9. That is how it was made, that is how it is aired. I watched the first 13 episodes and they were all 16x9. Did they change something later on?

[Jacob T. Paschal]

Uh, no, Kai is in 16x9. That is how it was made, that is how it is aired. I watched the first 13 episodes and they were all 16x9. Did they change something later on?

It only airs in 16:9 because legally everything must air in 16:9 in Japan. Dragon Ball Kai is sourced from Dragon Ball Z, which is 4:3. Heck, the opening and endings are animated to fit in 4:3, too (there's more footage up top and on the bottom).

[Mynd Hed]

I think that dividing Dragon Ball fans into "subbies vs. dubbies" oversimplifies things more than a bit. Various fans have their various preferred versions, but there are just plain too many different ways to enjoy the story to divide people neatly up into two camps. Take me for example: my first exposure to Dragon Ball was watching the filler movies on imported Japanese VHS tapes with no translation whatsoever. I've spent a significant amount of time with at least four different dubs (Japanese, Spanish, Ocean English, and Funi English: five if you count DBZ Abridged), various versions of the subs both official and unofficial, and various translations of the manga both official and unofficial.

Which version of the characters' voices do I prefer? The ones I imagine in my head when I'm reading the manga, of course. Now riddle me this: am I a subbie or a dubbie? The answer: both and neither.

There are Dragon Ball manga fans, Dragon Ball anime fans, Dragonball Z anime fans, Kai fans, fans who'll watch the filler movies and those who won't, fans who actually PREFER the filler movies to the series, fans who'll watch GT and those who won't, fans who consider the Bardock and Trunks specials canon and those don't, fans who play the video games, fans who collect the action figures, fans who watch DBZA but not DBZ, fans who just think it makes for some cool AMV footage and couldn't care less about the plot, fans that prefer the Japanese Z score or the Faulconer score or the Kai score, fans that prefer the Ocean dub or the Spanish dub or the Japanese Kai dub, orange brick fans and Dragon Box fans and ultimate uncut fans and Toonami fans. Somewhere, there's probably even someone who liked Evolution.

Now with such a wide variety of ways to enjoy Dragon Ball and with each fan enjoying their own uniquely personal combination of them, dividing people into "dubbies vs. subbies" is the most ridiculously artificial distinction I can think of. That's like saying that there are only two kinds of Trekkies: TOS-only Trekkies and Trekkies who like anything else. Sure, you CAN divide the fandom up that way, but what's the point? It ignores too many shades of distinction to be useful.


Uh, no, Kai is in 16x9. That is how it was made, that is how it is aired. I watched the first 13 episodes and they were all 16x9. Did they change something later on?

Jacob's got the right of this one. Kai is animated in 4:3, largely from footage from the original Dragonball Z anime which was also 4:3. It is then cropped into faux-widescreen for Japanese TV broadcast for legal reasons. For some inscrutable reason the Japanese Kai DVD release is also in 16:9, but the Blu-Ray release restores the missing footage and is in 4:3 as originally animated for Z and as "refreshed" for Kai.

[King]

Yeah, I see your point. Well, at least we can all agree about this: Your a Dragonball fan? Yes, yes I am.

Here's how I see this, we already know that there are two groups in the DBZ fanbase, the subbies and the dubbies. Both of them are major parts of the DBZ market and the best part is that neither bothers to check out the other side. (If your a dubbie-subbie, then your just a small fraction.) So then what's the point of changing much?
If we did get casting changes as Jacob suggests, just about every dubbie would drop ship, because I'm sure every dubbie is driven by nostalgia. Now come on guys (subbies), why let the other side lose their fun if you're getting what your wanting? You'll most likely get your accurate subs with your precious japanese voices, but why let the dubbies have nothing to go to? Now doesn't that seem like a jerk move to you?

(Besides, Funi is a business and I'm sure losing either of you would be something they wouldn't want so they're keeping you separated.)

If that didn't make sense, then I'll revise it.

Well, when you think about it. Everyone lose and gain something back. From both sides.

[Brad Redfield]

For anyone curious enough, there's a comparison here (http://daizex.fanboyreview.net/viewtopic.php?f=16&t=11637&start=20) between the widescreen and 4:3 stuff.

[Soul]

FUNi Teaser (http://www.amazon.com/Dragon-Ball-Kai-Season-Blu-ray/dp/B0036ZA8G2/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&s=dvd&qid=1266292473&sr=8-1)

[King]

Wow, that was fast.

[Soul]

Please, I hope to see no automatic Dub bashing.
The teaser made me think of the first Dark Knight teaser.

[King]

Well, kinda. The trailer really shown us nothing.

[Dragonpiece]

Note that it is a teaser and not a actual trailer. They really didn't tell us jack though. And I put the trailer on YT if anyone likes it in that format better: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UmYX7Pcmcak

[Jacob T. Paschal]

That's what they showed at Katsucon.


Not...very impressive.

[PC!]

As barren as the teaser was, I thought it was pretty darn cool. Hearing Goku charge up a Kamehameha with the energy sound increasing in volume sounded strangely intense.

[Daxdiv]

Considering it's a teaser, I really have no comment on the final product. Sure it's bland, but I've seen many teaser like this before, so it's basically average for me.

[Ryusuke]

Colleen Clinkenbeard comments (from Facebook)


Hey, guys! Had to throw a quick word in here, even though I just posted about it extensively on my page. I am so thrilled to get to be a part of the DBZ universe this time around! I hope I do it justice and I can promise to put everything I have into it (including most of the inside of my throat). For those of you who were fans of the original Japanese cast, we are trying to stay closer to the original youth of Gohan for the beginning of the show and let him grow vocally as he does in the animation. Chris is a phenomenal director and is so dedicated to making this series everything it can be. I think the result will be a fun new take on the character and the show in general and hope you'll give me a chance to be a part of the DB joy with you. :)

[Jacob T. Paschal]

Well, Son Gohan might actually sound four this time around. And cute. That's a plus.

[Brad Redfield]

See, that's the kind of thing I like to see more often from the DBZ dub.

Though by the time we get to the Cell arc, Gohan might sound like Luffy. :sweat: At least we know she can nail the screaming!

[King]

And many ppl were worry about the DBKai Dub. I did told yea that FUNi are going to more like the JP dub. Though, not saying its going to be perfect, but its going to be less complaining I'll tell you what. (Well, hopfully, I mean.) ;)

[Jacob T. Paschal]

And many ppl were worry about the DBKai Dub. I did told yea that FUNi are going to more like the JP dub. Though, not saying its going to be perfect, but its going to be less complaining I'll tell you what. (Well, hopfully, I mean.) ;)

Yes, people were and still are worried. What is being said is nice, however for a dub that is supposed to be better than their dubs of the previous three series' it seems awfully suspect when they're retaining Linda Young as Freeza with what looks to be the exact same unfitting rendention as before. Espicially when the director goes out of his way to demean the performances of two of the previous actresses on the franchise. I know Linda Young is Burgmeir's mom and close with Sabat and Justin Cook...but they're still retaining a pretty heavily despised representation of the character.

[King]

Yes, people were and still are worried. What is being said is nice, however for a dub that is supposed to be better than their dubs of the previous three series' it seems awfully suspect when they're retaining Linda Young as Freeza with what looks to be the exact same unfitting rendention as before. Espicially when the director goes out of his way to demean the performances of two of the previous actresses on the franchise. I know Linda Young is Burgmeir's mom and close with Sabat and Justin Cook...but they're still retaining a pretty heavily despised representation of the character.

Why are you complaining about this, it isn't like your going to listen to the dubs. All I'm saying its going to be less complaining, I never did say ppl will stop and be happy. As a DB fan and seeing how the DB fanbase grown, nothing is ever simple.

[Ryusuke]

See, that's the kind of thing I like to see more often from the DBZ dub.

Though by the time we get to the Cell arc, Gohan might sound like Luffy. :sweat: At least we know she can nail the screaming!
A more subdued Luffy. :sweat: Yeah, she can definitely scream good. I wonder who's scream will overpower the other (Sean Schemmel or Colleen?). XD

I wonder if this means she'll play as Kid Goku in the 1 minute of screen time he has in the first episode?

[Jacob T. Paschal]

Why are you complaining about this, it isn't like your going to listen to the dubs.

Freeza's one of my favorite characters. I do not approve of their decision to use such an inappropriate casting. She's consistently over 11 years proven to be the wrong fit for the character.

[King]

Freeza's one of my favorite characters. I do not approve of their decision to use such an inappropriate casting. She's consistently over 11 years proven to be the wrong fit for the character.

So, you completely made up your mind your “not” going to watch the dubs?
(I get it if you don't like it. Hell, I'm not a big fan of the character JP dub as well. But, the spanish dub, yeah.)

[Jacob T. Paschal]

So, you completely made up your mind your “not” going to watch the dubs?
(I get it if you don't like it. Hell, I'm not a big fan of the character JP dub as well. But, the spanish dub, yeah.)

I'm going to take a gander at a few choice spots, but for the most part I probably won't. Doesn't mean I can't express a will for a dub I won't be embarrassed to call Dragon Ball, just as I was with One Piece.

[King]

I'm going to take a gander at a few choice spots, but for the most part I probably won't. Doesn't mean I can't express a will for a dub I won't be embarrassed to call Dragon Ball, just as I was with One Piece.

How can you be embarrass by listening to the dub?
Yeah, you like the JP dub, find by me. But it doesn't mean you reach a new higher level of fandom because your listening to a different language. So, what does that make me that listen to the dub? Nothing?







(Or I'm being stupid right now and missed read this?)

[Mynd Hed]

All right, break it up, you two. Hopefully Sabat isn't just spinning things when he says they're shooting for something closer to the original, and you can agree or disagree with the decision to keep Linda Young, but let's just drop it until we get the chance to listen and judge for ourselves.

[Chrono1995]

How can you be embarrass by listening to the dub?
Yeah, you like the JP dub, find by me. But it doesn't mean you reach a new higher level of fandom because your listening to a different language. So, what does that make me that listen to the dub? Nothing?

(Or I'm being stupid right now and missed read this?)

Being a fan of the original doesn't put you on a higher level of fandom. It's just means we're not fans of the dub and the way the series has been dumbed down over the past 14 years. (God, has it been that long?)

If Kai's dub is as close to the original in terms of script and voice direction as they're saying it's going to be (outside of the poor decision NOT to recast Freeza), then it's going to be the first time material related to DBZ is going to have a decent dub. The original series was how all three series should've been dubbed, even if there was a LOT to be desired and improved upon with DB's dub.

And by decent dub I mean no altered score, a faithful script, and voice direction that is respectful of the original characterizations and story. It's just a shame this didn't happen with DBZ, besides the largely faithful and well-directed Ocean dubs of Movies 1 - 3. And no, I don't mind a few pointless Hanna-Barbara sound effects.

And that is what he (and I) mean by having a dub that isn't embarassing to watch.

I'll be the first to admit that despite not being the biggest fan of Kai (I've grown so used to DBZ's atrocious pacing that it's yet another thing that's endearing to me about it), I'm VERY excited about this release.

[King]

All right, break it up, you two. Hopefully Sabat isn't just spinning things when he says they're shooting for something closer to the original, and you can agree or disagree with the decision to keep Linda Young, but let's just drop it until we get the chance to listen and judge for ourselves.

Sorry, I'm just in a bad mood this week. (No job, wasting time, asking for money, feeling sad, mad really effects me on the web)

Yeah, I think we all should take a chill pill and relax a little. FUNi really didn't gave us nothing yet, so whats the point of having a panic attack?

[PC!]

And by decent dub I mean no altered score, a faithful script, and voice direction that is respectful of the original characterizations and story. It's just a shame this didn't happen with DBZ, besides the largely faithful and well-directed Ocean dubs of Movies 1 - 3. And no, I don't mind a few pointless Hanna-Barbara sound effects.

With all due respect, I really can't see how changing the script of a series is horribly disrespectful to the original material, but inserting inappropriate cartoon sound effects throughout every episode is no big deal.

[Jacob T. Paschal]

All right, break it up, you two. Hopefully Sabat isn't just spinning things when he says they're shooting for something closer to the original, and you can agree or disagree with the decision to keep Linda Young, but let's just drop it until we get the chance to listen and judge for ourselves.

Speaking of Sabat:


Here's what you guys don't know, but need to. Chris Sabat has gone far beyond the call of duty behind the scenes to make this version happen in an amazing way that it did not before. He has donated much of his personal time and energy into this, and has been extraordinarily picky with the direction, as well as double checking japanese meaning against the adaptation for accuracy as well as entertainment value. If it were not for him personally, I would probably not be able to be a part of it. On a technical note, sound quality will be unmatched to the previous due to the amazing and highest quality gear available at Okratron as well as Rawly Pickens golden ears checking every single line for audio quality. It's the way it should have been done to begin with, but that's 20/20 hindsight. I am thrilled about the new cast, and no offense to my awesome castmates, but my new favorite voice for DBZ Kai is the Narrator. You're going to love it. Also, I am still awesome.


Hey Sean! Glad you popped in and thanks for the vote of confidence.

This version of DBZ means a lot to me. It's extremely rare that you get a chance to do something you did 10 YEARS ago all over again. And I'm not wasting the chance. We're fixing things that were wrong with the first version and trying to make it better, which is why you'll see some changes. But we don't want to make Kai so radically different that doesn't feel like DBZ anymore, so they may be some things that we don't change that you wish we would. But I honestly believe you're going to find DBZ Kai to be a totally mature version of a show, a version that grew up over the last 10 years and has come home stronger, well trained and a hell of a lot cooler.

So "But we don't want to make Kai so radically different that doesn't feel like DBZ anymore, so they may be some things that we don't change that you wish we would" sounds a lot like they're going to retain things from their old style of Dragon Ball dubbing others would wish they dropped...?


With all due respect, I really can't see how changing the script of a series is horribly disrespectful to the original material, but inserting inappropriate cartoon sound effects throughout every episode is no big deal.

They're both disrespectful indeed. Not to mention they'll ruin a joke if it's supposed to be awkward silence.

[Ryusuke]

Speaking of Sabat:


So "But we don't want to make Kai so radically different that doesn't feel like DBZ anymore, so they may be some things that we don't change that you wish we would" sounds a lot like they're going to retain things from their old style of Dragon Ball dubbing others would wish they dropped...?
I just thought Sabat was just talking about most of the voices and that they kept most of them so that mainstream fans won't go scratching their heads...:confused:

[GWOtaku]

Yeah, I tend to think this is supposed to be addressing what voice casting they've decided to keep. I think it's fair to a point; casting matters but direction also has a lot to do with how a voice turns out, and there is the benefit of experience also of course.

[PC!]

I personally think the voice directing for the series has for the most part been fantastic. The actors are top notch.

Whether or not some of them fit the characters they play is what I find questionable.

Like Frieza, for example. I hate Linda Young's voice coming out of the character's mouth, but darned if she doesn't do a great job.

[Jacob T. Paschal]

Maybe he was speaking about the cast, but I was thinking he might've meant their penchant for doing over-the-top grunts rather than more authentic martial arts kiais, but I could be wrong (aye, were I director I'd be mixing in 'tsuuuua', 'dooooooh', and 'kaaaatsu!!' and other combinations of Japanese syllabals into those battle scenes as well as toning down the "I sound like I'm painfully constipated" scenes)?

[King]

Maybe he was speaking about the cast, but I was thinking he might've meant their penchant for doing over-the-top grunts rather than more authentic martial arts kiais, but I could be wrong (aye, were I director I'd be mixing in 'tsuuuua', 'dooooooh', and 'kaaaatsu!!' and other combinations of Japanese syllabals into those battle scenes as well as toning down the "I sound like I'm painfully constipated" scenes)?

Even if you do that, ppl will still complain.

[Jacob T. Paschal]

Heya guys, I've updated the first post of the Planet Namek arc thread with the episode title for #47 confirming that a certain scene we've all waited for shall happen in that episode.


Even if you do that, ppl will still complain.

Such was an example of "but I could be wrong."

[King]

Heya guys, I've up dated the first post of the Planet Namek arc thread with the episode title for #47 confirming that a certain scene we've all waited for shall happen in that episode.

Which is...?



Such was an example of "but I could be wrong."
Kay, Kay. But all I'm saying is "It sounds a good idea at first, but...Nope".

[MugiwaraMikey]

I'm done (http://blog.funimation.com/2010/02/funimation-announcements-from-katsucon/). Just...ugh.

I'm actually glad they're keeping most of the old cast. I'm interested in hearing the new ones, too! I love the Dragon Ball franchise, both the dub AND sub.

I'm sorry, but I grew up with the dub so I have huge respect for it. I still enjoy it, too. I'm not gonna automatically start disrespecting it because a bunch of other purists are.

But I'm not saying the dub is perfect. It's not. And neither is the Japanese version. Both versions have made me go "wait, what the hell? Weird..." at certain points due to acting, music choices, and the like (I.E., when Freeza went to kill Krillin, he was shown with a serious look on his face and it looked like he was YELLING... while in the Japanese version, he was laughing. It looked really stupid).

And come on now, Freeza's dub voice isn't that bad. With a better script I'm sure Linda Young will do great. His Japanese voice actor sounds feminine too. Probably the ONLY voice that bothered me in the dub was King Kai's.

Name changes in the dub are something that bother me. I wish they wouldn't act like Goku doesn't have a surname, and use Tenshinhan's correct name. However, I like the name "Krillin" more than "Kuririn." Kuririn is just... bleh... And I don't know why Toei went with it even when Toriyama romanized his name as "Kulilin" anyway. Haha. That reminds me, Toriyama also romanzed Goku's name as "Son Gokuh"... Why the "h"? But back to changes about the dub that bother me; I don't like how they pronounce "Kaio-ken." But I'm sure everyone doesn't like that, haha.

But yeah, I enjoy both versions about equally. :D

[Jacob T. Paschal]

Which is...?

Read the title of the episode.


I'm actually glad they're keeping most of the old cast. I'm interested in hearing the new ones, too! I love the Dragon Ball franchise, both the dub AND sub.

I'm sorry, but I grew up with the dub so I have huge respect for it. I still enjoy it, too. I'm not gonna automatically start disrespecting it because a bunch of other purists are.

But I'm not saying the dub is perfect. It's not. And neither is the Japanese version. Both versions have made me go "wait, what the hell? Weird..." at certain points due to acting, music choices, and the like (I.E., when Freeza went to kill Krillin, he was shown with a serious look on his face and it looked like he was YELLING... while in the Japanese version, he was laughing. It looked really stupid).

And come on now, Freeza's dub voice isn't that bad. With a better script I'm sure Linda Young will do great. His Japanese voice actor sounds feminine too. Probably the ONLY voice that bothered me in the dub was King Kai's.

Name changes in the dub are something that bother me. I wish they wouldn't act like Goku doesn't have a surname, and use Tenshinhan's correct name. However, I like the name "Krillin" more than "Kuririn." Kuririn is just... bleh... And I don't know why Toei went with it even when Toriyama romanized his name as "Kulilin" anyway. Haha. That reminds me, Toriyama also romanzed Goku's name as "Son Gokuh"... Why the "h"? But back to changes about the dub that bother me; I don't like how they pronounce "Kaio-ken." But I'm sure everyone doesn't like that, haha.

But yeah, I enjoy both versions about equally. :D

'Krillen', 'Kulilin', and 'Kuririn' are all certifiable romanizations of his name. 'Kuririn' just captures the food pun. 'Gokuh' is also a correct romanization.


And for the record, I do not dislike these voice actors as people, in fact I like the vast majority of them. That does not mean, however, I have to like their work, nor does the fact I grew up on the dub change that either. I grew up, I started watching the original show, I went back and found that the acting was unnatural and that my tastes had changed.


What's the point of this thread again? DVDs? Blu-rays? Oh my!! :p

[Kaiser0120]

And come on now, Freeza's dub voice isn't that bad. With a better script I'm sure Linda Young will do great. His Japanese voice actor sounds feminine too. Probably the ONLY voice that bothered me in the dub was King Kai's.

You're totally allowed to have that opinion, of course. But honestly, going from the smooth, regal tones of Ryuusei Nakao to the raspy, lizard-esque, old woman tons of Linda Young feels so wrong to me. Of course, that's just to me, because I grew up with the original version of this character. It would seem obvious that I'd prefer Nakao. I just hate the idea that Linda Young is a decent parallel to the original voice; it just doesn't register at all.

As Schemmel as King Kai, the voice given, though disputably, alters the perception of that character by the viewer. What if you replaced Kevin Conroy as Batman with, say, Diedrich Bader?

See what I did there~? ;3

[King]

What's the point of this thread again? DVDs? Blu-rays? Oh my!! :p

Yeah, I was about to ask that question too. I really don't know where or who started this sami-Dub Vs Sub thing.
(Maybe it was me :chowder:)

[MugiwaraMikey]

'Krillen', 'Kulilin', and 'Kuririn' are all certifiable romanizations of his name. 'Kuririn' just captures the food pun. 'Gokuh' is also a correct romanization.

Yup, yup, I know. But I still think those look awkward.



And for the record, I do not dislike these voice actors as people, in fact I like the vast majority of them. That does not mean, however, I have to like their work, nor does the fact I grew up on the dub change that either. I grew up, I started watching the original show, I went back and found that the acting was unnatural and that my tastes had changed.

Makes sense, it just seems like too many people try jumping onto that bandwagon just because a lot of other people are. And it's not just for DBZ.

[Jacob T. Paschal]

Makes sense, it just seems like too many people try jumping onto that bandwagon just because a lot of other people are. And it's not just for DBZ.

Aye, well there's actually legitament arguments to be had about FUNimation's 'reversioning' of the series. Not quite so much with most modern day anime (although I do admittedly prefer the original Japanese One Piece over the FUNimation dub).

[King]

Yup, yup, I know. But I still think those look awkward.
Yeah, I like how the name is. Hey it can be much worse. HOW ABOUT AMERICANIZING THE NAMES!
Goku = George
Krillin = Kevin
Piccolo = Peter
Vegeta = Viter

At lest that didn't happen.



Makes sense, it just seems like too many people try jumping onto that bandwagon just because a lot of other people are. And it's not just for DBZ.
Thats every fanbase.

[MugiwaraMikey]

I actually prefer One Piece's dub over the sub because I appreciate how much work was put into it, the voices sound awesome, and it's much better listening to how it was meant to be viewed instead of reading it.



Thats every fanbase.

Of course. Even when the dubs are completely accurate and have voices that sound just like their originals. It baffles me.

[Kaiser0120]

Yeah, I like how the name is. Hey it can be much worse. HOW ABOUT AMERICANIZING THE NAMES!
Goku = George
Krillin = Kevin
Piccolo = Peter
Vegeta = Viter

At lest that didn't happen.

Toma = Tora
Celypa = Fasha
Pumbukin = Shugesh
Totepo = Borgos

Still... just... MYSTIFIED by how that came to be. But true, it's not Americanization, it's... somethingization.

[King]

Toma = Tora
Celypa = Fasha
Pumbukin = Shugesh
Totepo = Borgos

Still... just... MYSTIFIED by how that came to be. But true, it's not Americanization, it's... somethingization.

Its like SAIYAN and SAIYA-JIN. Its the same crap. But no, the U.S got that wrong. Dude, look how the japanese say it and the U.S say it. Not every word can be the same. Hey, having something thats somewhat the same is better then nothing.
Hey, FUNi could have chosen ULTRA-HUMAN!

[Jacob T. Paschal]

I actually prefer One Piece's dub over the sub because I appreciate how much work was put into it, the voices sound awesome, and it's much better listening to how it was meant to be viewed instead of reading it.

One can still appreciate the hardwork put into a dub without preffering it, y'know. :p

[PC!]

Goku=Zero
Karin=Whiskers the Wonder Cat
Kuririn=Bongo
Lunch=Marylynn
Oolong=Mao Mao
Puar=Sparkles
Yamcha=Zedekai
Piccolo=Big Green

[Mynd Hed]

You're totally allowed to have that opinion, of course. But honestly, going from the smooth, regal tones of Ryuusei Nakao to the raspy, lizard-esque, old woman tons of Linda Young feels so wrong to me. Of course, that's just to me, because I grew up with the original version of this character.

Technically speaking, the original version of the character is in the manga, where he sounds like however you want him to sound. It's worth remembering that the Japanese dub is not the original, and when the English dub differs from it it's not necessarily "wrong," just a different interpretation of the source material.

Not that there aren't plenty of places where the Funi dub IS "wrong" when compared to the manga, of course, and not that you're not fully entitled to prefer the Japanese vocal interpretation of the character to the Funi one.

[Jacob T. Paschal]

Technically speaking, the original version of the character is in the manga, where he sounds like however you want him to sound. It's worth remembering that the Japanese dub is not the original, and when the English dub differs from it it's not necessarily "wrong," just a different interpretation of the source material.

Not that there aren't plenty of places where the Funi dub IS "wrong" when compared to the manga, of course, and not that you're not fully entitled to prefer the Japanese vocal interpretation of the character to the Funi one.

Dragon Ball the anime is Dragon Ball the anime. It's an adaption, yes, but it is a seperate entity from Toriyama's comic, with its own story and own quirks to be loved for. The general consensus, however, is that a dub of an anime is suppose to be faithful to that original Japanese version.

I.e., I'm not so sure you're making a fair comparison. :p

[King]

I wonder why FUNi haven't change Goku dub voice. And give Goku dub vocie like the JP. Yeah, FUNi should get a girl to dub Goku voice. Keep it more faithful like the JP.

[CyberCubed]

I wonder why FUNi haven't change Goku dub voice. And give Goku dub vocie like the JP. Yeah, FUNi should get a girl to dub Goku voice. Keep it more faithful like the JP.

Why would they replace Goku?

[MugiwaraMikey]

I wonder why FUNi haven't change Goku dub voice. And give Goku dub vocie like the JP. Yeah, FUNi should get a girl to dub Goku voice. Keep it more faithful like the JP.

Brina Palencia for Goku.

[King]

Brina Palencia for Goku.

Heck yea, even though it will sound very odd, who cares! Keeping things faithful up to the JP level is the number one goal.

[Mynd Hed]

Cut the sarcasm, King. It's not helping.

[King]

Cut the sarcasm, King. It's not helping.
Alright, alright.

[Shift]

Here's my roundabout reasoning for sticking with manly-esque Goku:

If they changed Goku to a female VA like the original, they'd have to change Krillin in the same way. As Sonny Strait is still a valued, iconic and original member of Team Funi, I don't see them dropping him. Since he stays, its for consistency's sake that Goku still sound male, and in that regard, they'd probably want to stick with Sean Schemmel if they could. With characters who have changed VAs of the same gender, maybe they wanted to experiment a little?

[King]

Here's my roundabout reasoning for sticking with manly-esque Goku:

If they changed Goku to a female VA like the original, they'd have to change Krillin in the same way. As Sonny Strait is still a valued, iconic and original member of Team Funi, I don't see them dropping him. Since he stays, its for consistency's sake that Goku still sound male, and in that regard, they'd probably want to stick with Sean Schemmel if they could. With characters who have changed VAs of the same gender, maybe they wanted to experiment a little?

Well, I do like Goku's and Krillin's ocean dub voice better then FUNi. It sound much closer by tone like the JP version But, the ocean dub Goku's and Krillin's voice can't play serious unlike FUNi dub. So, its a mix.

[Mynd Hed]

Dragon Ball the anime is Dragon Ball the anime. It's an adaption, yes, but it is a seperate entity from Toriyama's comic, with its own story and own quirks to be loved for. The general consensus, however, is that a dub of an anime is suppose to be faithful to that original Japanese version.

I.e., I'm not so sure you're making a fair comparison. :p

While Americanization is definitely a problem when carried to the extreme, I'm not sure that slavish faithfulness to the Japanese version is the best decision in all cases. For example, the Japanese love to give very deep voices to a lot of male characters whose character designs don't seem to suggest such voices to a Western audience. To take Berserk as an example, Kevin T. Collins' English Griffith voice sounded nothing like Toshiyuki Morikawa's relatively deep, manly rendition, but it fit the character at least as well considering that he's a very androgynous bishonen.

Exactly when it's best to stick very close to the Japanese version and when it's allowable if not preferable to Westernize a little is a matter that could be debated endlessly, of course, but I don't think it's fair to say that adherence to the Japanese is going to be the best route 100% of the time.

[Jacob T. Paschal]

May, maybe not. I'm a bit too much of a "if it ain't broke, don't fix it" type when it comes to those sorts of things.



Anyhow, according to our friends at Daizex, our very own Steven Simmons (http://www.toonzone.net/forums/member.php?u=8565) is returning to Dragon Ball by providing the subtitle translations for Dragon Ball Kai. Hey Daimao, I don't suppose you're allowed to talk about any consultance you might or might not have given Sabat's team?

[Dragonpiece]

After hearing all the recent comments from the va's and directors, I am starting to really look forward to this dub. Like most have said, Chris has been apart of the dragon ball dub since the beginning so I am sure if anyone can do being the director of this, it is Chris.

Am I the only one hoping there will be a panel at any anime convention that will have the whole cast be there? I want to talk to all of them.

[Daimao]

Anyhow, according to our friends at Daizex, our very own Steven Simmons (http://www.toonzone.net/forums/member.php?u=8565) is returning to Dragon Ball by providing the subtitle translations for Dragon Ball Kai. Hey Daimao, I don't suppose you're allowed to talk about any consultance you might or might not have given Sabat's team?

You don't suppose correctly. Sorry. :(

[Jacob T. Paschal]

You don't suppose correctly. Sorry. :(

Shucks. Well, at least you replied...

[Loonie Toon]

AS successful as the Kai series will be on home video, I think DB fans are going to get real vocal about the constant re releases of the same DBZ content over and over. No matter how you cut it DBZ Kai is the same DBZ we got in the Orange boxes, Dragon Boxes, individual VHS cassests and DVDs and so forth. No amount of new coloring or new openings or better resolutions can change the fact that this is still all the same stuff we've been able to get for the past 10 years.

I think Funimation or Toei or Toryiama or who ever is in control of the DB rights need to start making new stories with the property or else it's going to fall off sooner or later. Pokemon has been so huge because it never stopped. Naruto, Bleach and One Peice are so huge because they've been going on. DBZ is so huge because it's DBZ and has an established fanbase but it's going to need some sort of new innovation in order to move on. There's only so many same episodes people will be willing to buy or videogames with the same stories with just new characters or somewhat new stories added.

[Jacob T. Paschal]

Release 1 (Pioneer): edited only release of the episodes produced with Ocean.
Release 2 (FUNimation in-house discs): Episodes 68-291 released on three-four episode discs, lacking the proper credits and the next episode previews. The masters were also multi-generational and were poorly encoded, as I understand.
Release 3 (Ultimate Uncut Release): canceled after nine releases of three episode discs. Same issues as the second release.
Release 4 (Orange Bricks): a complete mess, both visually and audioally (the Japanese mono track was terrible on most of the releases).
Release 5 (Dragon Box): a near perfect carbon copy of the release Japan got. The original mono is of significantly higher quality than what we've previously released. The footage was remastered frame by frame by actual people and is factually the best release Dragon Ball Z has ever had.

I don't see what's to complain about. Fans have the Dragon Boxes they've sought for years. It only took FUNimation fourteen years to release a consistent and respectful version of the series.

Now, Dragon Ball Kai on the other hand isn't quite the Dragon Ball Z fans have come to know and love over the past twenty years. Music, some cast members, performances, even favorite bits of filler. I would much rather have Dragon Ball Z or Dragon Ball Z and Dragon Ball Kai than just Dragon Ball Kai alone, and I'd say it is fair to say many, many others feel similarly.

[Loonie Toon]

Release 1 (Pioneer): edited only release of the episodes produced with Ocean.
Release 2 (FUNimation in-house discs): Episodes 68-291 released on three-four episode discs, lacking the proper credits and the next episode previews. The masters were also multi-generational and were poorly encoded, as I understand.
Release 3 (Ultimate Uncut Release): canceled after nine releases of three episode discs. Same issues as the second release.
Release 4 (Orange Bricks): a complete mess, both visually and audioally (the Japanese mono track was terrible on most of the releases).
Release 5 (Dragon Box): a near perfect carbon copy of the release Japan got. The original mono is of significantly higher quality than what we've previously released. The footage was remastered frame by frame by actual people and is factually the best release Dragon Ball Z has ever had.

I don't see what's to complain about. Fans have the Dragon Boxes they've sought for years. It only took FUNimation fourteen years to release a consistent and respectful version of the series.

Now, Dragon Ball Kai on the other hand isn't quite the Dragon Ball Z fans have come to know and love over the past twenty years. Music, some cast members, performances, even favorite bits of filler. I would much rather have Dragon Ball Z or Dragon Ball Z and Dragon Ball Kai than just Dragon Ball Kai alone, and I'd say it is fair to say many, many others feel similarly.

Maybe you should re read what I said. Dbz releases have been in america since atleast 1998 when DBZ started really blowing up in America and I remember getting my 1st vhs copies around that time. Now that's 12 years of dbz being availabe foe home video purchase. Throw in the fact that all the subsequent dvd releases and video game releases. My argument is not the quality or quanity of releases but the content. The episodes have all been released in some format since the 90s and while the better upgraded versions are great sooner or later people will get tired of constantly re purchasing the same episodes over and over and the need for new content for the series and franchise to progress as well as stay relevant is needed. The DB Boxes as well as the future blu ray releases are going to be the prime for the current set of episodes so how many more sales do you think another set of re releases of the same content after that will continue to sell?

There's already been a fall off for game sales in the franchise because there is only so much you can do wih the constant re telling og the same stoired with updated graphics and added characters. There's already been statements that fans want new original characters as well as character creators and new original storylines for the games so its not off to think fans want that with the series in general. obviosuly the franchise is still immensly popular and profitable as its worth billions but that's mainly because its a japanese staple where its still used in everyday things and gets new commericals and tie ins and the such but in america its just popular because its dbz and has a establishd fanbse but there's nothing that can be stated that it has new age fans that are in the same group as naruto or one peice or bleach who more then likely have more younger and new generation fans then dbz.

Pokemon and gundam have florished because they constantly have new matrial for both its established fanbase as wll as new fans while dbz has no new material. My argument is simply that the people who have the dbz property need to make new material to actually make the series relevant in a sense to the modern anime group instead if just the dbz group. This would mae the franchise even more money and stay even more relevant. Dbz stays atop the anime charts with its releases because of its established fanbase who are willing to purchase it over and over.

[Jacob T. Paschal]

Maybe you should re read what I said. Dbz releases have been in america since atleast 1998 when DBZ started really blowing up in America and I remember getting my 1st vhs copies around that time. Now that's 12 years of dbz being availabe foe home video purchase. Throw in the fact that all the subsequent dvd releases and video game releases. My argument is not the quality or quanity of releases but the content. The episodes have all been released in some format since the 90s and while the better upgraded versions are great sooner or later people will get tired of constantly re purchasing the same episodes over and over and the need for new content for the series and franchise to progress as well as stay relevant is needed. The DB Boxes as well as the future blu ray releases are going to be the prime for the current set of episodes so how many more sales do you think another set of re releases of the same content after that will continue to sell?

There's already been a fall off for game sales in the franchise because there is only so much you can do wih the constant re telling og the same stoired with updated graphics and added characters. There's already been statements that fans want new original characters as well as character creators and new original storylines for the games so its not off to think fans want that with the series in general. obviosuly the franchise is still immensly popular and profitable as its worth billions but that's mainly because its a japanese staple where its still used in everyday things and gets new commericals and tie ins and the such but in america its just popular because its dbz and has a establishd fanbse but there's nothing that can be stated that it has new age fans that are in the same group as naruto or one peice or bleach who more then likely have more younger and new generation fans then dbz.

Pokemon and gundam have florished because they constantly have new matrial for both its established fanbase as wll as new fans while dbz has no new material. My argument is simply that the people who have the dbz property need to make new material to actually make the series relevant in a sense to the modern anime group instead if just the dbz group. This would mae the franchise even more money and stay even more relevant. Dbz stays atop the anime charts with its releases because of its established fanbase who are willing to purchase it over and over.

I read what you said perfectly, my point was that such was not the fact of the situation. We should have gotten release like the Dragon Box sooner (the show in 4:3, even if it continued in the Ultimate Uncut Edition line), but we didn't. What fans have wanted was a release of the series that didn't screw them over in one or more way, and now we're getting that with the Dragon Boxes. Yes, fans want new specials or storylines but first they actually want to own the series properly, not a cropped and DVNR'd version and not on over one hundred single disc releases. The fans have been willing to buy it over and over because there's only ever been one completely, consistent release of the series before the Dragon Boxes and that was disrespectful trash done on the cheap.

Dragon Ball Kai doesn't magically replace the importance of Dragon Ball Z, espicially considering their different contexts. One is a twenty year old martial arts epic classic and the other--while sourced from said classic--is a completely modern--and in some ways foreign--product.

[Mynd Hed]

I'm... not seeing why this has to be a heated argument. Last I checked we just recently got the Jump Super Anime Tour special, which is the first original animation / story out of the franchise in God knows how long (here's hoping for an official U.S. release), AND we're just now getting the Dragon Boxes and Kai. If you want story continuation / something new out of the video games, there's even that MMO that looks like it might actually come out. Seems to me that there's seldom been a better time to be a Dragon Ball fan.

I'd love some more movies or something as much as the next guy, but I don't see why that has to come at the expense of rereleasing different (lately, generally better) versions of the original story. If you're happy with the release(s) you already have, nobody's putting a gun to your head and forcing you to watch the DBoxes or Kai.

[Jacob T. Paschal]

Blu-ray cover: http://www.aaaanime.com/item/Blu-Ray/FN08781.html

Whee?

[jph139]

I love the minimalist cover, but I think something greyed-out behing Goku - I dunno, the Kame symbol or something? - would be nice.

I do like the plain look of it, though.

[Jacob T. Paschal]

I find it to be nasty, personally. Blaring white and orange with the Ossu! Gokû art. Then there's the Blu-ray bar. I can't even call it 'minimalist' when there's text and logos plastered all over it.


EDIT: Just noticed I can't see a 'Season One' on the cover, just 'Part One'. Interesting...

[King]

I like it. Simple and sweet.

[GingaDaiuchuu]

Blu-ray cover: http://www.aaaanime.com/item/Blu-Ray/FN08781.html

Whee?
They should have used the Japanese art, but I can live with this.

[Dragonpiece]

It it is ok. Just simple though, not sweet.

[WingZeroAL]

I can live with it.. depending on how many episodes it has on it.

[GingaDaiuchuu]

I can live with it.. depending on how many episodes it has on it.

13. Not only has it been confirmed, but it says so on that cover art. :p

[Jacob T. Paschal]

13. Not only has it been confirmed, but it says so on that cover art. :p

Which is actually a large number as it lines up with the end of Dragon Ball Z [#30], or there abouts.

[Daxdiv]

Meh, pretty basic design if you asked me. Looks like something you can crank out in Photoshop with minimal knowledge.

[PC!]

I don't care for the cover, myself. I like minimalist covers sometimes, but Dragonball seems like a series that lends itself to more action-packed cover artwork.

[GingaDaiuchuu]

Which is actually a large number as it lines up with the end of Dragon Ball Z, or there abouts.
Wait, how does 13 episodes of Kai line up with the end of Z?

[Jacob T. Paschal]

Wait, how does 13 episodes of Kai line up with the end of Z?

Whoops. I was rewording the post and forgot to put 'episode 30' back in there.

[GingaDaiuchuu]

Whoops. I was rewording the post and forgot to put 'episode 30' back in there.
Ah. Well fortunately, FUNimation doesn't release less than 12-13 episodes of a new series in one release, much less a series with "Dragon Ball Z" in the title, since all the other releases from the past few years have had significantly more episodes than even that in each of them.

[WingZeroAL]

13. Not only has it been confirmed, but it says so on that cover art. :p

Hah, I completely missed it. Although its rather small so I don't feel too bad about it. :D

[Jacob T. Paschal]

From Schemmel on Twitter:



Solarmax20 Just finished next batch of dbz kai episodes. I really think this will be the definitive dbz...

It really bugs me how they continually reffer to it as the 'definitive DBZ'. It's. Not. DBZ.

[King]

From Schemmel on Twitter:



It really bugs me how they continually reffer to it as the 'definitive DBZ'. It's. Not. DBZ.

Well, you can't say its original. DBKai is just a photoshop version of DBZ. So, I get why he said it.

[ShadowCat2000]

Does anybody know if FUNimation plan on adding in any profanity to Kai? It makes NO sense since Toei already took away Lunch's gun and Goku's abilitly to urinate, so it would be more TV friendly for all countries.

Hopefully they won't.

[Jacob T. Paschal]

Hopefully they will. 'Darn' and 'heck' doesn't cut it when you're a bunch of adults in the middle of a life-or-death battle. It doesn't help most of the violence is already altered from the Dragon Ball Z footage.

[Andrew T. Hingson]

Or they could avoid such words all together with the right script but I do agree to an extent that darn and heck just don't suit a life or death battle. YYH's excessive use of such fake swears are quite irritating.

Damn and hell are certainly reasonable. Even that word that means child born outside of wedlock but if there's some girl dog and s-bomb it's entirely unneccessary.

I'd be surprised if the first set gets a TV-14 rating. I don't think it even need a buffer higher than TV-PG for at least a few sets.

[Taekmkm]

Honestly does TV-14 really matter in this market?

[Andrew T. Hingson]

TV-14 is the NORM. Very few shows are actually considered tame enough to get a PG rating in the current market.

[Jacob T. Paschal]

I'd just assume to follow when Daimao uses cursing in his subtitles. He doesn't drop the big two or anything, but he's also not afraid to drop every other word in the book for characters whenever 'kuso', 'chikushou', 'kisama', 'konoyarou', and 'bakayarou'.

[Andrew T. Hingson]

I'd just assume to follow when Daimao uses cursing in his subtitles. He doesn't drop the big two or anything, but he's also not afraid to drop every other word in the book for characters whenever 'kuso', 'chikushou', 'kisama', 'konoyarou', and 'bakayarou'.

Which is alright to an extent but not entirely neccessary either.

[Jacob T. Paschal]

Which is alright to an extent but not entirely neccessary either.

One could argue it'd take one out of the experience. Whenever I watch the Gundam shows subtitled the lack of honorfics really jar me, or when a line might be a bit more liberal than what I'm use to (of course, no examples come to mind off hand).


Of course, I prefer to be optimistic enough to think the home video dub will not be afraid to use swearing. One of my favorite lines (Gokû's "You stupid b*sta*rd!" when Freeza fires off his one last attack, per Daimao's subs) really show his disdainment for Freeza, and I don't think the usual "You fool!!" that FUNimation uses in the games really gets the point across.

Not to mention I just want to hear Schemmel call Gohan a jackass during the battle with Vegeta (as he does in the Dragon Ball Z subs). :p

[Mad Mod 49]

It really bugs me how they continually reffer to it as the 'definitive DBZ'. It's. Not. DBZ.

Yes. It. Is. Really, it's essentially the exact same anime, but edited and recolored. It's not like it's a whole different DragonBall series ala GT just because it has KAI in it's name rather than Z. It's just another version of DBZ, so I don't see how calling it the 'definitive DBZ' is wrong. You just seem to be looking for stuff to blame Funimation for now.

And I'm probably late to say this, but the Funimation DBZ dub cast is something I will always defend. Many of those voices are being kept because many of them are really good. Sean Schemell as Goku, Chris Sabat as Piccolo and Vegeta, Sonny Strait as Krillin and Bardock, and even Mike McFarland as Master Roshi have all grown on me so much that I'd love for them to come back to deliver performances that could possibly top their previous ones.

Most of the recasts sound good too. Really, the only dub voices I can recall NOT liking are Sean Schemmel's King Kaio, Linda Young's Freeza, Chris Sabat's Zarbon, and all of the Ginyu Force's dub voices. (The Ginyu Forces' voices from the Ocean dub were perfect, so Funimations' voices of course look worse by comparrision. Ditto for Zarbon. However, Kaio and Freeza's Ocean dub voices are pretty much to blame for the cheap imitations they have now.) While I'm severly dissapointed in Funimation for not recasting Freeza, it's not like a recast would've repaired all damage done to Freeza's voice over the years anyway, so I'm willing to give Linda Young a chance.

Other factors of the dub would be direction, music, and script. The direction and script are promised to be much more faithful this time around and given how faithful many of Funimation's other dubs have been, I'm willing to believe it. And I'm sure the original music will be kept too. (Though personally, music itself was always more of a nitpick to me. It's usually how the music is used that really matters.)

[Jacob T. Paschal]

Yes. It. Is. Really, it's essentially the exact same anime, but edited and recolored. It's not like it's a whole different DragonBall series ala GT just because it has KAI in it's name rather than Z. It's just another version of DBZ, so I don't see how calling it the 'definitive DBZ' is wrong.

Dragon Ball Kai is as much Dragon Ball Z as either is Dragon Ball the comic, which is to say quite a bit not. They tell the same story but they are not one in the same for everything great about either that defines them.

[Ryusuke]

Dragon Ball Kai is as much Dragon Ball Z as either is Dragon Ball the comic, which is to say quite a bit not. They tell the same story but they are not one in the same for everything great about either that defines them.
They only made it "Dragon Ball Z: Kai" more or less it's generally in the same brand. *shrug* Or at least, that's what they said at a convention last month...

[Mad Mod 49]

Dragon Ball Kai is as much Dragon Ball Z as either is Dragon Ball the comic, which is to say quite a bit not. They tell the same story but they are not one in the same for everything great about either that defines them.

Sure they are all different, but the same at heart. Heck, Viz even published the DB and DBZ mangas seperately, even though it was all just one "Dragonball" manga in Japan. Is this bad? No, as most US fans associate DB and DBZ seperately due to the anime, and having the manga in the US follow the same pattern is more convenient. Same goes for renaming "Dragonball Kai" to "Dragonball Z Kai". Sure, that may not be how it originally was, but there's no need to nitpick about it.

[Andrew T. Hingson]

Jacob you're still arguing that?

They used the dang footage from Z. It's Z. It's a new version but it's still very much Z. It's the same characters, the same story, even mostly the same actors. It has a different "feel" but that doesn't make it a different show.

And not having swearing doesn't take me out of the moment in serious situations. Not sure why it should. Not everyone swears when they're in an intense situation.

[RockmanDash]

Dragon Ball Kai is as much Dragon Ball Z as either is Dragon Ball the comic, which is to say quite a bit not. They tell the same story but they are not one in the same for everything great about either that defines them.

I'd rather not argue with the biggest TZ Dragonball fan..

But Dragonball Kai is basically Dragonball Z, it uses the same footage but just nicer and fixes things up and removes a good amount of filler, it's still Dragonball Z. Does it have new scenes? Does it involve a new plot? Does it involve new characters? No? It's the same thing, just a bit shinier(how my friend describes it) =D

[Jacob T. Paschal]

I honestly don't know how many times we are going to have to go over this, but it is not the same show. Story, yes, if you want to disregard the Dragon Ball Z specific story elements that were added to keep behind the comic, but otherwise that is it. Why is Dragon Ball Kai suddenly the 'definitive version' of Dragon Ball Z when it is as vastly different from Dragon Ball Z as it is? Dragon Ball Kai does have Dragon Ball Z's series-specific story content, a portion of its cast, or music.


Or am I just living in a crazy world where things like music and the actual content, styling, etc. matter but only there? :p

[firecrouch]

I honestly don't know how many times we are going to have to go over this, but it is not the same show. Story, yes, if you want to disregard the Dragon Ball Z specific story elements that were added to keep behind the comic, but otherwise that is it. Why is Dragon Ball Kai suddenly the 'definitive version' of Dragon Ball Z when it is as vastly different from Dragon Ball Z as it is? Dragon Ball Kai does have Dragon Ball Z's series-specific story content, a portion of its cast, or music.


Or am I just living in a crazy world where things like music and the actual content, styling, etc. matter but only there? :p

I honestly don't know. You're probably the only person on this whole thread that believes this a different show, so why we just all agree to disagree?

[Mynd Hed]

Whether you consider Kai or Z to be the "definitive" animated version is debatable, but Kai IS Z. Z is not Kai, because there are parts of Z that are not in Kai, but Kai is Z. If I remove the crust from my pizza, that does not make the part that remains any less pizza. You can argue that you are not having the "full and definitive pizza experience" if you do not eat the crust, but that does not mean that I'm not eating pizza. I'm just not eating all of it.

I don't necessarily agree with Funimation that Kai is "definitive," but I understand why they say it is: because past experience has shown them that any time they string the words "definitive" and "DBZ" into a sentence, people tend to throw large wads of money at them. It's just marketing, it's not anything to get bent out of shape about.

[Dragonpiece]

Whether you consider Kai or Z to be the "definitive" animated version is debatable, but Kai IS Z. Z is not Kai, because there are parts of Z that are not in Kai, but Kai is Z. If I remove the crust from my pizza, that does not make the part that remains any less pizza. You can argue that you are not having the "full and definitive pizza experience" if you do not eat the crust, but that does not mean that I'm not eating pizza. I'm just not eating all of it.

I don't necessarily agree with Funimation that Kai is "definitive," but I understand why they say it is: because past experience has shown them that any time they string the words "definitive" and "DBZ" into a sentence, people tend to throw large wads of money at them. It's just marketing, it's not anything to get bent out of shape about.

Well put.

[MugiwaraMikey]

I honestly don't know how many times we are going to have to go over this, but it is not the same show. Story, yes, if you want to disregard the Dragon Ball Z specific story elements that were added to keep behind the comic, but otherwise that is it. Why is Dragon Ball Kai suddenly the 'definitive version' of Dragon Ball Z when it is as vastly different from Dragon Ball Z as it is? Dragon Ball Kai does have Dragon Ball Z's series-specific story content, a portion of its cast, or music.


Or am I just living in a crazy world where things like music and the actual content, styling, etc. matter but only there? :p

Ooookay, that's like saying the original Dragon Ball Z dub isn't DBZ because it had cuts, a music change, and a different cast (regardless of lanugage). It tells the same damn story as Z, so it's Z.

And that's the whole reason why FUNimation added the "Z" in the title, so fans would know it's the SAME THING as Z and not a fourth installment.

[Ishtar]

Don't think this has mentioned, but according to EvilGamerX of Arlong Park's "friend at Nicktoons", the premiere date for DBZKai on Nicktoons is May 24th, with 4 episodes airing per week. If this is true, perhaps they are very well aware that DBZ was the most succesful here when it aired on weekdays, so they are hoping for similar results in the process. I do wonder how many episodes will even be dubbed and ready to air at that point, though.

[Andrew T. Hingson]

May 24th is a Monday so I'm guessing it'll be airing Monday - Thursday. That's pretty awesome. Kind of makes me interested in getting Nicktoons because they'll probably pair it with some other action shows for a few hours and a weekday "block" with X-Men, Avatar and DBZ Kai would be great.

[MugiwaraMikey]

Another thing mentioned was that the songs will be dubbed into English. I'm glad. :D

[Jacob T. Paschal]

Ooookay, that's like saying the original Dragon Ball Z dub isn't DBZ because it had cuts, a music change, and a different cast (regardless of lanugage). It tells the same damn story as Z, so it's Z.

And that's the whole reason why FUNimation added the "Z" in the title, so fans would know it's the SAME THING as Z and not a fourth installment.

There actually is a sect that would argue the dub isn't DBZ, and I myself would have a hard time against otherwise, although I won't express my view on the subject. ;p


Don't think this has mentioned, but according to EvilGamerX of Arlong Park's "friend at Nicktoons", the premiere date for DBZKai on Nicktoons is May 24th, with 4 episodes airing per week. If this is true, perhaps they are very well aware that DBZ was the most succesful here when it aired on weekdays, so they are hoping for similar results in the process. I do wonder how many episodes will even be dubbed and ready to air at that point, though.

Ah, so Jason got the air date the, eh? I have to wonder how often Nicktoons will have to cycle through the episodes, though. While FUNimation has been dubbing since the end of the last year I have to wonder if that means they have a whole lot done. I would suppose, however, they could cycle through 1-16 (the Saiyan arc) at four a week in the first month...and then go through months of repeats, just like Toonami. :p


What's this? Nostalgic ramblings in my "Jacob Dragon Ball posts"? Inconceivable!!

Must be a witch! :p


Wait a minute, this is the Home Video Releases thread, why are we talking about that in here? *Gasp*

I don't really care, to be frank. ;p

[Daxdiv]

Wait a minute, this is the Home Video Releases thread, why are we talking about that in here? *Gasp*

I don't really care, to be frank. ;p

I thought it was because, I don't think anyone saw that Dragon Ball Kai was getting an American TV Deal in the near future.

Still nice to hear a date for when the dub will air on TV, I'll check it out for curiosity sake.

[Jacob T. Paschal]

I thought it was because, I don't think anyone saw that Dragon Ball Kai was getting an American TV Deal in the near future.

I was actually implying somebody could make a thread for the TV run if they wanted but I'm okay with this thread being used for general news until whoever the heck it is who will run the show on the talkback(s) decides to do something.


Until then, yew in mah kin'dum, boyz!! :p


~His Highness the Holy Imperial King of Kings,
Emperor Jacob T. Paschal

[Andrew T. Hingson]

~His Highness the Holy Imperial King of Kings,
Emperor Jacob T. Paschal

Wait... King of Kings? If you're the second coming... I may have to change religions.

[MugiwaraMikey]

There actually is a sect that would argue the dub isn't DBZ, and I myself would have a hard time against otherwise, although I won't express my view on the subject. ;p


Um... It's still the same product, just modified (for worse).

It's still DBZ, bro.

[Jacob T. Paschal]

Wait... King of Kings? If you're the second coming... I may have to change religions.

Yes, I am Aslan.

*BBC mini-series theme plays*

[Mynd Hed]

Toonami never seemed to have any problems cycling through the first arc of the original Z interminably while they waited for Namek to be dubbed, and that weekday after-school time slot was certainly very kind to DBZ the first time around, so I wouldn't be surprised if Nicktoons went for the same approach.

[Jacob T. Paschal]

Toonami never seemed to have any problems cycling through the first arc of the original Z interminably while they waited for Namek to be dubbed, and that weekday after-school time slot was certainly very kind to DBZ the first time around, so I wouldn't be surprised if Nicktoons went for the same approach.

Toonami did receive the first half of Namek, however. It's the infamous 'episodes 54+' (episode 68+) of Season Three they lacked (as right after Gokû begins to be attacked by Jheese and Butta the episode ends and the next day we'd get Raditz through space or the television edit of Super Deciding Battle for the Entire Planet Earth, which was the film split into three episodes with Shuki Levy's music and Ian Corlett as Son...oddly enough this was first broadcasted in between episode #35 and #36 of their broadcast dub).

[Andrew T. Hingson]

Nicktoons repeats the same episodes of every show A LOT. Though they usually premiere new shows once a week with many encores so having premieres 4 times a week is somewhat new for them.

CN's been known to burn a 26 episode order on weekdays and rerun that several times before getting more. It often worked out on Toonami and Miguzi.

I prefer that Nicktoons is doing this rather than stagger premieres because it means it'll be another show they can run daily and thus making their daily line-up a bit more interesting.

[Mad Mod 49]

Toonami did receive the first half of Namek, however. It's the infamous 'episodes 54+' (episode 68+) of Season Three they lacked (as right after Gokû begins to be attacked by Jheese and Butta the episode ends and the next day we'd get Raditz through space or the television edit of Super Deciding Battle for the Entire Planet Earth, which was the film split into three episodes with Shuki Levy's music and Ian Corlett as Son...oddly enough this was first broadcasted in between episode #35 and #36 of their broadcast dub).

:confused:....why'd you call him "Gokû" at one point in your post and then "Son" towards the end. Can't you just settle with "Goku?" Or at the very least, "Son Goku?"

[Andrew T. Hingson]

:confused:....why'd you call him "Gokû" at one point in your post and then "Son" towards the end. Can't you just settle with "Goku?" Or at the very least, "Son Goku?"

Don't even worry about it man. You're talking to a brick wall.

[Jacob T. Paschal]

:confused:....why'd you call him "Gokû" at one point in your post and then "Son" towards the end. Can't you just settle with "Goku?" Or at the very least, "Son Goku?"


Don't even worry about it man. You're talking to a brick wall.

I don't do it because I'm elitist ass or anything, I'm just switching it up. A number of characters call him 'Son' (like Piccolo and Tenshinhan, while Bulma calls 'im 'Son-kun', but I'm not Bulma...so...). His name is written quite different ways across merchandise and art (although 'Gokou' is wrong), so if I am ever lazy (and there are those times) I'll use 'Gokuu', 'Gokuh', or 'Goku'. 'Gokû' allows me to capture that there's that extra 'u' after 'ku'. I use circumflexes for other Japanese words too (Rurôni Kenshin, Yû Yû Hakusho, Ryô Horikawa the voice of Vegeta, Tenshinhan's Kikô-hô technique).


'Son' is also an excuse to be lazy, although my usual excuse would be "I'm being respectful...of a silly fictional character!! :p" or "Well, he, his sons, and grampappy are the only characters in the series with family names, so why not use 'em? :p"

You can kill me when I start saying 'Seru', 'Torankusu', and 'Bejiita' outside of discussion about what characters are used to spell 'Cell', 'Trunks' and 'Vegeta', though. :p Oh, and usin' honorfics outside of joking around or quoting characters, like how Bulma always calls Gokû 'Son-kun', or how Chichi uses 'Gokû-sa' (hick 'Gokû-san') and 'Gohan-chan'.

Or how Piccolo Daimaô calls himself 'Piccolo Daimaô-sama' *Cue Takeshi Aono's maniacle laughter*


Although I am admittedly feeling like switching to 'Blooma', but 'Bulma' is the spelling Toriyama uses, so I'll likely stick with that.


What? Dragon Ball Kai going to be released in the R1 market already? No way!!1oneelven :p

[Andrew T. Hingson]

I don't do it because I'm elitist ass or anything, I'm just switching it up.

Right...

And her name is Bulma man. You even admit Toriyama spells it that way so why would you ever call her Blooma? Where did that come from?

[King]

I don't do it because I'm elitist ass or anything, I'm just switching it up. A number of characters call him 'Son' (like Piccolo and Tenshinhan, while Bulma calls 'im 'Son-kun', but I'm not Bulma...so...). His name is written quite different ways across merchandise and art (although 'Gokou' is wrong), so if I am ever lazy (and there are those times) I'll use 'Gokuu', 'Gokuh', or 'Goku'. 'Gokû' allows me to capture that there's that extra 'u' after 'ku'. I use circumflexes for other Japanese words too (Rurôni Kenshin, Yû Yû Hakusho, Ryô Horikawa the voice of Vegeta, Tenshinhan's Kikô-hô technique).


'Son' is also an excuse to be lazy, although my usual excuse would be "I'm being respectful...of a silly fictional character!! :p" or "Well, he, his sons, and grampappy are the only characters in the series with family names, so why not use 'em? :p"

You can kill me when I start saying 'Seru', 'Torankusu', and 'Bejiita' outside of discussion about what characters are used to spell 'Cell', 'Trunks' and 'Vegeta', though. :p Oh, and usin' honorfics outside of joking around or quoting characters, like how Bulma always calls Gokû 'Son-kun', or how Chichi uses 'Gokû-sa' (hick 'Gokû-san') and 'Gohan-chan'.

Or how Piccolo Daimaô calls himself 'Piccolo Daimaô-sama' *Cue Takeshi Aono's maniacle laughter*


Although I am admittedly feeling like switching to 'Blooma', but 'Bulma' is the spelling Toriyama uses, so I'll likely stick with that.


What? Dragon Ball Kai going to be released in the R1 market already? No way!!1oneelven :p

Well, now I know what that little line-mark means (Example: Gokû). :p

[firefoxprime]

Right...

And her name is Bulma man. You even admit Toriyama spells it that way so why would you ever call her Blooma? Where did that come from?

always conflict between u two.:shrug:
long history or somethin.

man. times sure have changed.
black president.
sat cartoons are a thing of the past. (no. u don't count 4kids.:yawn:)
disney owning marvel.
naruto on "disney"
db on nick.
cn catering live action.
tween comedies ruling the world...
change. waddya gonna do?

*sniffles*:(

honestly 2010 is lookin good.
so when's the release date to funi's DBZkai?

[Jacob T. Paschal]

Right...

And her name is Bulma man. You even admit Toriyama spells it that way so why would you ever call her Blooma? Where did that come from?

You lack of confidence is disturbing.[/Darth Vader]


'Blooma' comes from the source word. 'Bloomers' are underwear, but Bulma's name is written (ブルマ, Buruma) while bloomer(s) is written (ブルマー, burumaa). With there being a short 'ma', rather than the elongated 'maa' of bloomer, the name show be romanized as 'Blooma', because without that extra 'a' sound there is no capturing the 'er' sound. This is why calling 'Freeza' 'Freezer' is wrong. While 'freezer' is the source of the pun, the name is ends with 'za', not 'zaa'. Additionally, FUNimation's use of 'Cooler' for their dub is incorrect because they're using the source of the pun, rather than the actual pun 'Kûra, Coola'...not to mention it's just out of synch with the pun of Freeza's name (then again the pun is sort of lost anyhow with Freeza considering how they spell his name).

Now, for whatever reason as far as I can tell 'Bulma' is the romanization Toriyama goes with for underwear girl, rather than Blooma, not to mention I've used it for eleven years so I tend to stick with it. On the other hand, I know I've recently switched to 'Dr. Brief', rather than 'Dr. Briefs', because 'Brief' is his first name and it doesn't ever end with a 'su' to get a plural sound on the word. Just like the lack of a elongated 'ma' with Bulma's name. So yeah...that means Bulma has no last name, and never has. If she did it would be listed in the Daizenshû...which it isn't, so I guess that is more fuel to the fire of those odd, dark, and scary times known as 1990s Dragon Ball fandom being filled to the brim with misinformation (Dragon Ball GT taking place ten, rather than the official five, years after Dragon Ball Z, Bulma having a last name, Gokû and Freeza's battle powers on Namek being 15 and 12 million rather than 150 and 120 million, etc. etc.)


So yeah, believe it or not but I base everything I do off of facts, people. :sweat::p

[GWOtaku]

Interesting trivia, though Toriyama's preference prevails for me. Also romanization keeps things nice and straightforward, just the way I like it.

I will confess that "Son Goku" has a nice ring to it, though. I wouldn't complain if they had dubbed it that way.

[Jacob T. Paschal]

I will confess that "Son Goku" has a nice ring to it, though.

Espicially when you can get the 'Son' part pronounced right. There's a nice flow between the 'So' and 'Go' characters when pronouncing the full name (rather than the often understandable slip into 'Sun Goku'), at least as far as I have found.



always conflict between u two.:shrug:
long history or somethin.

Eh? I'd say any animosity doesn't come from my side. I won't speak for the Andrew, but I don't think he holds any either.

[Zach Logan]

Personally, I'm growing very tired of arguments or even just discussions over semantics. I don't hold any animosity towards anyone here but this discussion is among the least substantial thing that can be debated. It in no way affects the series or its comprehension of getting major or even minor plot points across. More importantly, I think discussions like this often turn people away from series, and the more I see it the more it turns me off of a series I love.

[Andrew T. Hingson]

I couldn't agree more Zach.

I was aware that Bloomer is where her name originates from and it's where the pun is found but I tend to go with however the manga-ka romanizes something. Even if it's "wrong" or odd. I dunno why, I just do. So when I said "where did that come from" it was questioning if she was ever called Blooma by anyone in the manga or had her name romanized in that fasion by official sources or the manga-ka. I probably should have clarified that to avoid your rather lengthly post for the reasoning behind the name.

[Jacob T. Paschal]

Is anyone really getting angry in this conversation, though? Mad Mod asked a simple and easily answerable question I was able to give a sound, proper, and perfectly good answer to. I don't think anyone's blowing a blood vessel over 'Gokû' or my use of the spelling 'KameHame-Ha' (although sometimes I'll use 'Kamehame-Ha'). These past few posts have hardly been like the "FUNimation's dub is terrible, here be why or why not" posts with the [strangely lacking up until now] comparisons to One Piece's dub, as produced by 4Kids in the past..


I'm not even critisizing anyone's choice of 'Goku' or 'Bulma'. I'm throwing trivia out there to inform, nothing more.


Although I do get brain aneurysms every time I read 'Frieza' and the misspelling 'Freiza', espicially if I don't point out the former as a misspelling and assert the proper spelling of 'Freeza'. :p


There's a smiley there people, don't take that line too seriously, even though it does bother me~!!

[Zach Logan]

Is anyone really getting angry in this conversation, though? Mad Mod asked a simple and easily answerable question I was able to give a sound, proper, and perfectly good answer to. I don't think anyone's blowing a blood vessel over 'Gokû' or my use of the spelling 'KameHame-Ha' (although sometimes I'll use 'Kamehame-Ha'). These past few posts have hardly been like the "FUNimation's dub is terrible, here be why or why not" posts with the [strangely lacking up until now] comparisons to One Piece's dub, as produced by 4Kids in the past..


I'm not even critisizing anyone's choice of 'Goku' or 'Bulma'. I'm throwing trivia out there to inform, nothing more.


Although I do get brain aneurysms every time I read 'Frieza' and the misspelling 'Freiza', espicially if I don't point out the former as a misspelling and assert the proper spelling of 'Freeza'. :p


There's a smiley there people, don't take that line too seriously, even though it does bother me~!!

I'm not saying you're wrong or so-and-so's right, or even that your encyclopedic knowledge about these names aren't correct...I'm saying this argument isn't healthy. You really shouldn't be getting 'brain aneurysms' every time the name Freeza is misspelled (sp?). It's a cartoon, as I recall, and though I share some...devotion...to one as well, I still understand that the little things don't need to be argued ad nauseum. At least arguments about the dub have some real purpose: preference. With semantics like this, all you're doing is bringing down the discourse. I don't think Freiza, or Frieza, or Freeza, or Senor Freezolo will be much different a character if they all look the same, talk the same, and act the same...well maybe the last one will.

[Gonzales]

Personally, I'm growing very tired of arguments or even just discussions over semantics.
I'd hardly call it an argument. It's more like one person asking someone else to stop whistling, but the other person keeps on doing it because he doesn't care how much it bothers everyone else.

And Blooma? Really? Seriously?

[Jacob T. Paschal]

I'm not saying you're wrong or so-and-so's right, or even that your encyclopedic knowledge about these names aren't correct...I'm saying this argument isn't healthy. You really shouldn't be getting 'brain aneurysms' every time the name Freeza is misspelled (sp?). It's a cartoon, as I recall, and though I share some...devotion...to one as well, I still understand that the little things don't need to be argued ad nauseum. At least arguments about the dub have some real purpose: preference. With semantics like this, all you're doing is bringing down the discourse. I don't think Freiza, or Frieza, or Freeza, or Senor Freezolo will be much different a character if they all look the same, talk the same, and act the same...well maybe the last one will.

I was joking...about the brain aneurysms. 'Frieza' and 'Freiza' bother me just as much as misspelling normal words do. To be perfectly honest I'm not sure I've ever 'corrected' anybody of 'Freiza' or 'Frieza' (maybe the former, once).


I'd hardly call it an argument. It's more like one person asking someone else to stop whistling, but the other person keeps on doing it because he doesn't care how much it bothers everyone else.

That's a complete misinterpretation of my words and ways. Nobody was even asking me to stop, as I recall. Mad Mod politely asked and I was quite happy to sit down and spend a good ten or so minutes giving him a detailed explanation for why I choose to use 'Gokû' rather than 'Goku'.


Wait, this is a Dragon Ball Kai thread? O.o


:p

[MugiwaraMikey]

I'd hardly call it an argument. It's more like one person asking someone else to stop whistling, but the other person keeps on doing it because he doesn't care how much it bothers everyone else.

And Blooma? Really? Seriously?

This.

But Zach's right, it's a comic and cartoon, and it just seems 'unhealthy' to take it so seriously... Especially over spelling. No offense... But adding those accent marks and being so "perfect" makes you come off as a stuck-up goody two-shoes that thinks they're right and everyone else is wrong.

At first I thought the way you do your spelling and how you criticize any terms that aren't "faithful" (even if they pretty much are, just spelled one letter differently) was bizarre, but now the more and more I see it, it's just getting annoying.

[GWOtaku]

Okay, we're not really on topic anymore. Let's move on now. And Gonzales, I'm not a fan of your borderline baiting. People are still expected to remember respect on these forums.

[firefoxprime]

see...this is what i meant earlier.
i know i'm still new here, so i don't have much say.
but you guys are the senior members. some even
moderators as well as administrators. i respect all of you,
especially due to your titles.

but c'mon. you guys represent toonzone. we're{newer members}
learning from your examples. not everyone here is 18+. some younger
teens come here as well. just sayin this is a great website. i love talking
to different ppl and share info and ideas on here. and we should treat
each other with respect. all have different views, and opinions.
but one thing unites us all. and its that we all love cartoons.:sweat:

on topic: so when is the first DVD DBKai release date? and how many
episodes?

[GWOtaku]

The DVD and Blu-Ray for set 1 are due on May 18th. It should be 12 or 13 episodes per set, just like One Piece. Also, Funi repeated on Twitter what they said at Katsucon--it's being released in the original 4:3 aspect ratio, rather than the 16:9 version that was used for Japanese television.

[Jacob T. Paschal]

Hey guys I wrote my previous post on my way out to go shopping so I went back and totally revamped it to actually make sense (it was quite choppy and sporatic and I was in to big a rush to remember I could just write it later). I'm not angry about this little ordeal, but I do think people need to chill-lax on the claims writing circumflexes is unhealthly. My fingers aren't going to get arthritis because I hold down the alt key as I type 0251 over to the left of the keyboard for a name. ;)


The DVD and Blu-Ray for set 1 are due on May 18th. It should be 12 or 13 episodes per set, just like One Piece. Also, Funi repeated on Twitter what they said at Katsucon--it's being released in the original 4:3 aspect ratio, rather than the 16:9 version that was used for Japanese television.

Yeah, despite Amazon oddities I'm hoping this is the story. I might make a final poke during FUNiCon 3.0, but I think we're safe.

[Ryusuke]

http://www.traviswillingham.com/

Seems Travis Willingham will be reprising Cell in future episodes, if it gets there. :sweat:

[G1Ravage]

http://www.traviswillingham.com/

Seems Travis Willingham will be reprising Cell in future episodes, if it gets there. :sweat:

Waitaminute...how could he possibly know?

[O-chan]

Waitaminute...how could he possibly know?

He dropped a hint about it way back when I went to Youmacon and that was in October so for quite a bit now.

O-chan

[Jacob T. Paschal]

He did Raging Blast so Sabat probably said "Let's face it, you're going to be doing it in Dragon Ball Kai."

I just hope he stops imitating Clarke's old voices. It sounds terrible, and Travis Willingham as Cell shouldn't. :sweat:

[Innagadadavida]

Except it doesn't. I could not tell the difference. I was also unaware that Puar and Chiautzu had been replaced with the new V/A since Tenkaichi 3.

[Jacob T. Paschal]

Part One trailer: http://www4.funimation.com/video/?page=video&v=4899


Now with less constipated grunting (but the usual amount of Chris Sabat).


I'll post some further thoughts in a bit.

[Dragonpiece]

To tell you in a quicke, it is going to be a awesome dub. Son Goku also sounds alot like Masako now. And Kurrin is doing a great job this time too. Gohan...uh what can I say, he is better than Stephanie at least:sweat:

[Ryusuke]

I'm liking the sound of the dub. Everyone sounds better. Vegeta's more toned down and Piccolo sounds more natural. Liking Sean Schemmel's Goku and Sonny Strait's Krillin too. Colleen's Gohan sounds age appropriate, but I wait till I hear more. Nappa sounds much, much better too. Script seems more accurate too!

I'm so excited! *_* Can't wait to see it.

[Daxdiv]

Got to say that the trailer for DBZK is pretty interesting, it's got my attention, and I was able to hear what Colleen will sound like for Gohan, even if it was just a grunt. But everything else felt good. I most likely be picking it up.

[Zach Logan]

I'm hoping this'll actually be the dub that will allow FUNimation to redeem itself to the nay-saying Dragonball fandom. Yes, they needed to redeem themselves after the original dub, but since FUNi has provided some very top-notch quality dubs for some very good series. Now it's time to go back to the old school and see if they're as good as they seem.

The trailer itself is filled of awesome. The music is reminiscent of the G Gundam Toonami promo (odd reference? give it a look: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=49zVlf_YROQ) and it got the point across: we're going to try and make this completely different while keeping the badass intact. Okay, let's see it.

[Jacob T. Paschal]

Well, I've watched the trailer an unholy amount of times. I suppose 'unholy' is too many, because now I just can't care to think anything other than 'blah'. It's not entirely terrible sounding, but we've yet to hear Freeza or Kaiô...which I'm not expecting to sound any sort of good. At least the dialogue won't suck.

Oh, and Nappa doesn't sound constipated anymore, either. Much more redneck-ish...which he sort of is, at least as far as his Japanese actors portray him.

[GWOtaku]

"Keep your eyes on the battlefield, we'll only have one shot at this" is a Piccolo line, isn't it? That was a really nice delivery. Krillin and Goku seem quite improved; it's hard to tell with Gohan since he's mostly shouting in this. Vegeta's about what I expected to hear, which is a good thing. All in all, I think it's an encouraging sign that the dub is in good shape. I quite enjoyed the "this ends now!" finish. At times the DBZ dub felt just a bit awkward, but I didn't get that sense with this at all.

[Jacob T. Paschal]

"Keep your eyes on the battlefield, we'll only have one shot at this" is a Piccolo line, isn't it? That was a really nice delivery. Krillin and Goku seem quite improved; it's hard to tell with Gohan since he's mostly shouting in this. Vegeta's about what I expected to hear, which is a good thing. All in all, I think it's an encouraging sign that the dub is in good shape. I quite enjoyed the "this ends now!" finish. At times the DBZ dub felt just a bit awkward, but I didn't get that sense with this at all.

No, it's "you'll only have one shot at this" and it is a line from Vegeta.