Too much, too little and just right

[King]

Maybe its just me, but you ever seen an anime series and just said to yourself "Man, I wish it haven't ended", or "This series over stayed its welcome" and or "Man, they ended the series right"?
No? Maybe?

One of the series I just wish there was more of is Cromartie High School. It didn't felt right it ended. I want more.
Another series that I kinda wish it ended a little sooner is DragonBall Z.

Though, I do love the Cell and Buu saga, it was little pointless. It really have nothing to do with the DragonBalls. Well, I mean like the DragonBalls as a main topic. Even though its not proven (Yet), but there are so many clues it should of ended in the frieza saga.

Sadly, I really never had an anime series that ended right. Maybe Tenchi Muyo. Maybe.

[ensatsu-ken]

The best examples of each description for me is as follows:

Too Much- Dragon Ball Z (The Majin Buu arc REALLY wasn't needed, IMO)

Too Little- Yu Yu Hakusho (the final arc was way too rushed, IMO)

Just Right- Death Note, Cowboy Bebop (Both of them never overstayed their welcome, to me, and they both had such solid and definite endings which I loved)

[Radiant]

Too Much - Dragon Ball Z. Had it ended with Freiza's defeat it would have been great to me. It just kind of lost the story after that and just became more arc based. Sure it was entertaining the first time I watched it, but now that it's been several years I can't look at it so nicely.

Too Little - I actually don't know with this one, unless we can count anime that stopped long before their manga. In that case I would definitely say the Shoujo I've watched - Ouran High School Host Club, Skip Beat!, and La Corda D'Oro. (Skip Beat! especially, it ended in the middle of nowhere!) The anime format is so much more enjoyable for me. Otherwise I'd say Trigun, probably.

Just Right -Tengen Toppa Gurren Lagann, for me. A lot of people would disagree with me, but I liked where and how it ended. Samurai Champloo and Death Note both ended in a good way to me as well. At least one that tied up what I felt needed to be tied up.

[King]

Hmmm, it seems I'm not the only one that thinks DBZ over stayed.
But yeah, Bebop and Death Note did ended well.

[Mr. Anime]

Though, I do love the Cell and Buu saga, it was little pointless. It really have nothing to do with the DragonBalls. Well, I mean like the DragonBalls as a main topic. Even though its not proven (Yet), but there are so many clues it should of ended in the frieza saga.
Um, The Dragonballs as the main plot point of the series was only in the very first arc of the series. Case in point, none of the World Tournanent arcs in oringinal had anything to do with the Dragonballs ether. So, I don't think your criticisms about the Cell and Buu arcs are "pointless' are very valid in that regard.



Too Much- Dragon Ball Z (The Majin Buu arc REALLY wasn't needed, IMO)
I swear it feels like I'm the only one who thought the Buu arc was great.

[King]

Um, The Dragonballs as the main plot point of the series was only in the very first arc of the series. Case in point, none of the World Tournanent arcs in oringinal had anything to do with the Dragonballs ether. So, I don't think your criticisms about the Cell and Buu arcs are "pointless' are very valid in that regard.

I swear it feels like I'm the only who thought the Buu arc was great.

Maybe so, but what was the point for the Cell & Buu saga.
Kay, in DB, yes they did got out from the Dragonballs. But they at least came back to it as a main focus. In DBZ, the Saiyan saga. The main focus was Goku origin, but later turn into getting the Dragonballs. So, it kinda became a little balance: Goku Origin & Getting the Dragonballs.
But how about the Cell games? Trunks came to the future to tell Goku that he's going to die, androids coming killing everything, hell on earth. Where's the Dragonballs?
In the Android/Cell saga, the Dragonballs wasn't part of the story.
Trunks + Dragonballs? Nope
Android + Dragonballs? Nope
Cell + Dragonballs? Nope
In the saga, the Dragonball slowly became a tool instead of a plot/sub-plot. No one in the saga was to worry about the Dragonballs.
Ok, yeah, Piccolo & Kami fuse, the earth Dragonballs are gone. But...It was slove like an episode or so.
Again, the Dragonballs wasn't the main focus/sub-plot .
And the Buu saga...Again, it wasn't the main focus/sub-plot. It was more like a tool.

Through out DragonBall and the first hafe in DragonBall Z, the Dragonballs was a plot point. Yeah, there were some turns that the Dragonballs wasn't a big deal, but at least the series came back to it and made it a big did.


Also...After the Frieza saga....The whole adventure thing was gone.

[Mr. Anime]

Maybe so, but what was the point for the Cell & Buu saga.
Kay, in DB, yes they did got out from the Dragonballs. But they at least came back to it as a main focus. In DBZ, the Saiyan saga. The main focus was Goku origin, but later turn into getting the Dragonballs. So, it kinda became a little balance: Goku Origin & Getting the Dragonballs.
But how about the Cell games? Trunks came to the future to tell Goku that he's going to die, androids coming killing everything, hell on earth. Where's the Dragonballs?
In the Android/Cell saga, the Dragonballs wasn't part of the story.
Trunks + Dragonballs? Nope
Android + Dragonballs? Nope
Cell + Dragonballs? Nope
In the saga, the Dragonball slowly became a tool instead of a plot/sub-plot. No one in the saga was to worry about the Dragonballs.
Ok, yeah, Piccolo & Kami fuse, the earth Dragonballs are gone. But...It was slove like an episode or so.
Again, the Dragonballs wasn't the main focus/sub-plot .
And the Buu saga...Again, it wasn't the main focus/sub-plot. It was more like a tool.

Through out DragonBall and the first hafe in DragonBall Z, the Dragonballs was a plot point. Yeah, there were some turns that the Dragonballs wasn't a big deal, but at least the series came back to it and made it a big did.


Also...After the Frieza saga....The whole adventure thing was gone. The Dragonballs after the Emperor Pilaf arc were always used as as either a tool to bring back the dead or as a MacGuffin to bring the Z-warriors into conflict with villains. And how counld you say that the feeling of adventure was gone after Namek, when we got to see time travel in the Cell arc and a better look at the DBZ universe afterlife in the Buu arc?

[King]

The Dragonballs after the Emperor Pilaf arc were always used as as ether a tool to bring black the dead or as a MacGuffin to bring the Z-warriors into conflict with villains. And how counld you say that the feeling of adventure was gone after Namek, when we got to see time travel in the Cell arc and a better look at the DBZ universe afterlife in the Buu arc?

1. Yeah, the Dragonballs was used for those things, but it was all about how they got the Dragonballs & how it work for the story. In DragonBall and half in DBZ, about everyone was looking and dying to get the Dragonballs. It wasn't like a life-line where you can easily get by just digging in you pocket. YOU HAVE TO EARN IT!

In DragonBall, a kid have to fight monsters, a whole army and a Demon King to get the Dragonballs.
And half in DBZ, the good guys have to work with a bad guy to get the dragonballs...And hide it, then lose it. And then fight some demon that wants to use it for its on uses.
Like I said, the main focus was on the Dragonballs.
Not a life-line thing which it slowly became.
(Maybe I should re-state what I just said earlier. lol )


2. When I say “Adventure”...I mean Adventure.
Not flash-backs. About a good half in Cell & Buu saga wad pretty much flash backs. Not like the old DragonBall series or the first half in DBZ where they were looking for adventure. Not the other way around.
(But I did said I do love the Cell and Buu saga.

[Grave]

Too little: Death Note - While it did end alright (I prefer the manga's ending) I hated how there were things missing to get to that point. Both big and small details were gone.

Too much: Not sure yet. There's quite a few, but considering that they're shonen it's to be expected for them to go on for so long.

Just right: Ghost in the Shell: SAC, Cowboy Bebop

[Vegard Aune]

Too much:
Dragonball Z, obviously.
Death Note too, as the second arc was nowhere near as exciting as the first.
And despite it being my favourite anime of all time and that I absolutely love the way they ended it, I do kinda think Clannad After Story should have ended with episode 19.

Too little:
Sora wo Miageru Shoujo no Hitomi ni Utsuru Sekai. I mean, seriously, just 9 episodes? Whereas 5 and a half of them were literarily copy-pasted from the Munto-OVAs? I didn't hate the series or anything, but its extreme short-ness made it pretty hard to really care all that much either.

Just right:
Tengen Toppa Gurren Lagann.
Ouran High School Host Club.
Azumanga Daioh.

[Urusei Yatsura]

Too Much:
InuYasha- I love the series, but I mean, it's wayyy too long to get barely anything accomplished. >_>

Just Right:
Cowboy Bebop: It never got stale, nor did it end with more to aspire.
Elfen Lied
Code Geass/r2: Some people may not agree with me, but I loved both seasons equally, and I knew it was right when it ended.

[Sparticus]

Too Much:
Naruto & Bleach: They should have waited longer to start the anime for these two, then planned things out better so that there'd be less filler, and more budget.

Inuyasha: although that's Rumiko Takahashi just being very long winded more than anything else...

Too Little:
Ouran High School Host Club. IT ENDED TOO SOOOOON!!! XD I have hopes for a second season now that the manga appears to be winding down.
Trigun: Oh to have had Trigun Maximum animated! Oh well, maybe someday...
Last Exile: This has more to do with poor pacing than anything else. EVERYTHING happened in the last four epiosodes, then they just sort of ended it there.
Which Hunter Robin: Same as Last Exile. They could have easily expanded on the plot and mixed in more mythology type stuff earlier on, making it a sort of animated version of the X-Files. There were enough awesome things going on in the last four episodes that could have lasted another season or two, had they paced things better. :B

Just Right:
Cowboy Bebop: I can see Bebop going longer (more stuff in the middle), but there's really no need for it, 26 episodes of massive impact is awesome in my book.
FLCL: Fast, strange trip. I don't think my brain could have lasted much past six episodes. XD
Gintama: Frankly, as long as it's funny (and gut wrenching, and awesome, and omgwtfbbq), Gintama can go on forever for all I care.

[Antiyonder]

The Dragonballs after the Emperor Pilaf arc were always used as as ether a tool to bring black the dead or as a MacGuffin to bring the Z-warriors into conflict with villains.

Thing is in DBZ, Goku was so strong and could fly. Thus searching for the Dragon Balls were like a walk in the park. In DB, while he was strong, he still had to made a lengthy journey to find them.

[JShaggy]

Too Much:
Dragon Ball Z (obviously) for reasons that have already been mentioned in this thread.
Naruto - too much filler, nearly killed my interest in continuing to follow the story into Shippuden.

Too Little:
Rosario + Vampire - didn't really follow it's manga counterpart completely (missing plotlines, botched storylines, etc). Could've followed the manga story more (even though season II isn't finished); been done by another company, IMHO.

Just Right:
Elfen Lied - despite the open ending, I think it was a good stopping point for the series.
Samurai Champloo/Cowboy Bebop - endings were justified in their own ways.

[Unwardil]

Too Much:

Evangelion. Yeah, seriously, it's good if you just don't watch the last couple episodes and pretend like they don't exsist.

08th ms team, same deal, pretend like the 13th episode doesn't exsist and then it's perfect.

Then all the other shoneny titles that have already been mentioned. I could add more reasons to all of them but I won't.

Too Little:

'Bout the only thing I've ever seen where I thought I really wanted to see more was Berzerk. I mean, it's not like they picked a bad place to end all things considered, but if they'd known they were going to stop there it would have been nice of them to start at episode 2 and end with something like episode 1 with a sort of Mad Max style ending of, 'Well, the world's gone to crap and there's nothing anyone can do about it, but Gutz is still gonna kick some arse with his giant sword... Too bad you won't be around to see it.'

Just Right:

I'll be contrary to a previous opinion with Last Exile here. The reason it's just right is that the show isn't about the characters involved. The show isn't called Claus and Dio's adventures in steampunk land, or for that matter, hot princess captains statutorilly raping little boys in steampunk land, it's called Last Exile. It's about the world. The characters are simply devices to tell the story about the world, just like alice in wonderland or the wizard of OZ or anything like that and from that perspective, the pacing is just about perfect IF you consider that the world they're in is actually the focal point of the story and not any of the individual characters.

[miraimike]

Too Little- Gundam F91: If it wasn't going to be a full series, it shouldn't have been made at all.

[Djm912]

Too Little: Ergo Proxy. It had a good ending, but it left enough things open to lead into a second series, and I really wish it would've happened.

[rubberchicken]

Too much: Gundam Wing. Too much filler that doesn't actually reveal anything about the characters.

Too little: Escaflowne. Some of the later twists and developments really needed more time.

[Taekmkm]

Too much:
-Gurren Lagann. You can easily trim it down by 3 episodes at least.


Too Little:
-Fruits Basket. MACHIIIIIIIIII! *shakes fist*
-Kare Kano.

Just Right:
-Anything else, obviously.

[Mr. Anime]

Too Little- Gundam F91: If it wasn't going to be a full series, it shouldn't have been made at all. Agreed, if there was one Gundam series that deserves to be remade the most, it's F91.




Too much: Gundam Wing. Too much filler that doesn't actually reveal anything about the characters.



Too little: Escaflowne. Some of the later twists and developments really needed more time.

I disagree with these two, I felt their respective 49 and 26 episode length were perfect for the series.


Too much:
-Gurren Lagann. You can easily trim it down by 3 episodes at least.

....... Your joking right?

[Taekmkm]

Episode 4, 6 can be shoved together or skipped. Episode 16 is a recap/behind the scenes. That's the minimal.

[Mr. Anime]

Episode 4, 6 can be shoved together or skipped. Episode 16 is a recap/behind the scenes. That's the minimal. This is something I can get behind as those were definitely the weak spots of the series. But I still don't get how you could view cutting some 25 episodes of the series down into three episodes and still get the same epic story.

[Taekmkm]

....Um, I think you're misunderstanding.

I said cut out those 3 episodes. So the series would be 24 episodes.

[King]

Thing is in DBZ, Goku was so strong and could fly. Thus searching for the Dragon Balls were like a walk in the park. In DB, while he was strong, he still had to made a lengthy journey to find them.

See, thats what I'm talking about. I can't tell you how mad I was when I seen Goku (In the Cell Games saga) found all 7 Dragonballs in half a day.

Anyways, I still love the Cell and Buu saga, but it doesn't have the lengthy journey it had before. :sweat:

Oh:

Too Much:
InuYasha: The first 2 season if the series I really like. But it slowly became "InuYasha, Kagome, InuYasha, Kagome, InuYasha, Kagome, InuYasha, Kagome".

Too Little:
Sonic OVA: Yeah, I know its a OVA, and most OVA's isn't that long, but I really love the world, art and music in that series. Just a little longer.

Lucky Star: Hey, I got hocked. :flapjack:

Just right:
Hmmm nothing yet.

[Philmister978]

Too Much: DBZ, only for the reasons that other people have said.

Pokemon, they're only milking that Cash cow more, seriously put it to pasture and make a Mario Anime.

Too Little:

I'm not to sure what you guys will say about this, but I personally think that Burst Angel should have lasted at least 2 more episodes.

Just Right:

Most everything else. I can make up stuff that happens after the series.

[Light Lucario]

Pokemon, they're only milking that Cash cow more, seriously put it to pasture and make a Mario Anime.

I thought that Pokemon would come up in this thread. While I understand where you're coming from, the series is still successful and they don't see a reason to end the series. It is pretty much milking the cash cow and advertising the games, but it works well in both regards.

Too Much: I haven't seen a series that made me think that there was too many episodes. I've never been annoyed with how many episodes Pokemon has, but it probably helps that I enjoy the series.

Too Little: Ouran High School Host Club. While it ended on a good note, I really wanted to see more of these characters and more events from the manga that I've heard about. I almost want to say Fruits Basket as well, but I haven't seen the ending to the series yet.

Just Right: Fushigi Yugi. This was a fun series and I think that it covered its main story pretty well within fifty-two episodes. Most of the characters had solid development and great personalities. The first two OVAs worked well with concluding the last few volumes of the manga. I personally could have done without Eikoden since the story was much weaker and Mayo annoyed the heck out of me. Still, at least the final scene of Eikoden was cute and worked as a nice way to finally end the series.

[Daxdiv]

Let's see if I can do this

Too Much

Dragon Ball Z: Yeah, wasn't really a fan of the fillers and the whole Frieza fight.

Inuyasha- When the hell did you plan on killing Naraku? When were you going to wrap up InuyashaxKagome and SangoxMiroku love stories? That's right you didn't.

Naruto- the fillers were hell and I actually fell out of it during a filler arc.

Too Little:

Berserk: While it did end at a good point at where the manga was, I felt like Berserk could have been adapted more, that is as long as that later adaptation comes in later in life like when Miura finishes the series.

Ouran- and I was starting to like it, really 26 episodes felt short for a series like this.

Ponyo- I just felt like the ending was rushed and more could have been added on.

Just Right:

Gurren Lagann- I actually enjoyed how this series ended.

Fullmetal Alchemist- I like the original Anime ending and how they handled and put a new spin on the series while the manga was still running.

Eden of the East- pretty good for something that had 12 episodes, and I'm looking forward to the movies as well.

[Gorbash]

Thing is in DBZ, Goku was so strong and could fly. Thus searching for the Dragon Balls were like a walk in the park. In DB, while he was strong, he still had to made a lengthy journey to find them.

Here's the other thing though, whenever Goku would search for the Dragonballs, he had conflict. He was strong and could fly in the Frieza saga, but there was so many obstacles against him, that he had trouble getting the dragonballs.

[DonkeyKongSong]

Too Much: Naruto, Dragon Ball Z

Too Little: Don't really think there's a such thing... Shaman King I guess... and maybe Zatch Bell! but I'm not even finished with it

Just Right: Pretty much everything else

[Duke]

Pokemon, they're only milking that Cash cow more, seriously put it to pasture and make a Mario Anime.
They will when said series STOPS being a cash cow. The anime is still one of the highest rated on Japanese TV and most of the time the movies are among the highest grossing movies in Japanese theaters (a couple of them only got defeated by Ghibli movies).

As for DBZ, I actually think the Cell Games Saga ended the series a lot better than the Freeza saga would've. All the characters actually did something, the animation was much better, the outfits were worlds better, the fights were more entertaining, the bad guys were better, and the ending gave us a ton of closure and would've been a perfect series ender.

Oh yea, and SSJ2 Gohan.

All the saga was missing was some Kaio-ken goodness.

[Radiant]

It's just that the idea of a Super Saiyan being legendary and rare was run over a thousand times after the Freiza arc.

It was plausible for Goku to reach it, because he was the "Legendary Super Saiyan" (don't even mention the movie exclusive Broly, it just makes things even worse.), but then everybody and their dog reached the point later on in the series, and then there were further Super Saiyan forms... While they seemed quite cool back when I was in my early teens, now it is just ridiculous. The special title of Super Saiyan was destroyed a hundred times over.

Even with the mix of human blood that supposedly strengthened Gohan, reaching Super Saiyan 2 is just still too much. Perhaps Gohan and Vegeta were both deserving of strengthening up... That's why I think it should have ended beforehand. The only way to go was to go up, and going up just made little sense. Not to even get started on Super Saiyan 3...

Plus I loved Freiza as a villain, I loved how much he tied in with Goku's dad and the Saiyan's past and how much you had to hate him, and how awesome it was when Goku went Super Saiyan and kicked his butt. lol DBZ was not perfect at that point, but it made a whole lot more sense, and felt like it was the ending of the Dragon Ball story. The later arcs just feel like they were tacked on.