Ben 10:Alien Force - "Con Of Rath" - Talkback [1/8]

[hezzy]

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Premieres: January 8th at 8:30 PM Eastern
Repeats: January 9th at 8:30 AM Eastern

New Alien Tonight!


Ben must escort an alien prince to the far side of the galaxy.

[Dudley]

Heh. Star Wars reference.

[Collie]

Heh. Star Wars reference.

Star Trek, actually. 'Wrath of Khan' was the second Star Trek Movie. :)

[ToonFaithful]

I noticed this was your first time making a talkback thread. Nice job! I myself hasn't even made a Cartoon Network Talkback thread.

[RonDrakenfan17]

Sweet, finally a new Ben 10 AF episode. I think this will be the only new one this month though sadly :sad:

[ShadowGUN]

Sweet, finally a new Ben 10 AF episode. I think this will be the only new one this month though sadly :sad:

Actually the next week schedule has a new episode airing on Friday.

[ryandcow]

Sweet, finally a new Ben 10 AF episode. I think this will be the only new one this month though sadly :sad:
Nope, they'll air new up to and maybe including president's week. (according to someone's post on the Jan 3-10 shecdule, and it makes sense)

[hezzy]

Sweet, finally a new Ben 10 AF episode. I think this will be the only new one this month though sadly :sad:
Nope 2 more episodes

[ToonFaithful]

Am I the only one that likes Ben's new alien?! He has the attitude and that in-your-face personality. Don't call me crazy but I wish I had anger management so that I won't be afraid of anything! I'll take everything serious and I wonder if this we'll affect Ben's personality.

[Rusakov]

Am I the only one that likes Ben's new alien?! He has the attitude and that in-your-face personality. Don't call me crazy but I wish I had anger management so that I won't be afraid of anything! I'll take everything serious and I wonder if this we'll affect Ben's personality.

No, you're not the only one. Why do you think I changed my avatar?

[ToonFaithful]

No, you're not the only one. Why do you think I changed my avatar?
I didn't look.:lol:

[Collie]

Am I the only one that likes Ben's new alien?! He has the attitude and that in-your-face personality. Don't call me crazy but I wish I had anger management so that I won't be afraid of anything! I'll take everything serious and I wonder if this we'll affect Ben's personality.

I like the look of Rath, but I don't care much for the attitude. It's probably going to do nothing but land him in a lot of trouble during the episode. Ben's supposed to be the nice one, Kevin's supposed to be the jerk. :)

BTW, I saw the commercial again recently, and it looks like we'll get another appearance by the Vreedle Brothers in what looks like a bar brawl on a space station.

[ToonFaithful]

I like the look of Rath, but I don't care much for the attitude. It's probably going to do nothing but land him in a lot of trouble during the episode. Ben's supposed to be the nice one, Kevin's supposed to be the jerk. :)

BTW, I saw the commercial again recently, and it looks like we'll get another appearance by the Vreedle Brothers in what looks like a bar brawl on a space station.
A perfect place to crash a party. Go Rath!

[NewcomerDC]

I can already see fan art coming up with Rath on a box of Frosted Flakes shouting "They're Grrreat!!"

[hezzy]

I can already see fan art coming up with Rath on a box of Frosted Flakes shouting "They're Grrreat!!"
Awesome i can see that too

[ToonFaithful]

I like that Megas XLR/Coop reference Kevin had made. "Woo-hoo!, Road Trip!" Oh yeah! Rath!

[hezzy]

Ben's Voice Sound Different

[ToonFaithful]

Ben's Voice Sound Different
No, Rath's voice sounds different. Party crashing time!

[Dudley]

Rath may have a lousy design, but he is hilarious!

"Did I just use up all my air?"
*faints*

So that's how the Dreeble Brothers survived.

[Collie]

It's official, I love the Vreedle Brothers.

"They bought a lot of 'em ... they were on sale. They were past the 'best if used by' date. Spoiled, I guess you'd call it."
"Which we file under the category of personal business that we do not discuss in front of strangers, Boid."

Apoplexian may be the least subtle alien-race-name-pun they've done so far.

[ToonFaithful]

It's official, I love the Vreedle Brothers.

"They bought a lot of 'em ... they were on sale. They were past the 'best if used by' date. Spoiled, I guess you'd call it."
"Which we file under the category of personal business that we do not discuss in front of strangers, Boid."

Apoplexian may be the least subtle alien-race-name-pun they've done so far.
That scene was hilarious, now this is where the action happens!

[Manhunter]

Apoplexian may be the least subtle alien-race-name-pun they've done so far.

It could be worse.

They could have called them...Aggravatians.

[hezzy]

Set It To Ugly

[Grenzer]

Vulcanus: What happened to you Tennyson?

Ben/Rath: I got your voice actor... YOU GOT A PROBLEM WITH THAT?!

[NewcomerDC]

Rath vs. Raven's dad from Teen Titans a.k.a Jerret of Pantophage! Place ya bets. I like this guy although I see him as another Alien X. He's a good fighter for Ben's team but he's too much to handle and will probably be pushed away to make room for another alien.

[hezzy]

What race is this baby?

[Manhunter]

Well, listen up, sonny Jim: I ate a baby. Oh, aye, Baby: the other, other white meat. Baby: it's what's for dinner.

[NewcomerDC]

Well, listen up, sonny Jim: I ate a baby. Oh, aye, Baby: the other, other white meat. Baby: it's what's for dinner.
Eating...babies...is not...cool!! Rath would like to have a word with you.

Does anyont think Rath would've looked cooler or more fearsome if he was a Mexican wrestler or someone who looked like he retired from the WWE?

[ToonFaithful]

Yeah I think he's gonna be another Alien X. Well, atleast he didn't get paralyzed but I like Rath and I hope to see him later on.

[Chazooma]

Rath is now my favorite alien.

I loved the king's face when Rath was threatening him to make peace, or else.
He just looked so terrified.

[Icthyosura]

That alien was a parody of Strong Sad from Homestar Runner;

http://www.hrwiki.org/wiki/File:Babyss.PNG

[HEATXZ]

Awesome episode :anime:
Rath is a awesome and hilarious alien :anime:
My favorite part is the Giant ate the Baby and Rath went into his Stomach to save the Baby and broke his teeth and Kevin fainted XD
Also Rath throws the Vreddle Brothers clones out in space XD
We need more episodes with Rath :anime:

[Manhunter]

Eating...babies...is not...cool!! Rath would like to have a word with you.

I unfortunately couldn't find a pic of Jared of Phantophage to post along with the Fat Bastard quote. But that's who I thought of when I saw him eat the Tiffin.

Speaking of eating babies:

http://art-bin.com/art/omodest.html

[ToonFaithful]

Rath is now my favorite alien.

I loved the king's face when Rath was threatening him to make peace, or else.
He just looked so terrified.
Lol yeah he's my favorite now. He's strong, funny, and reminds me of Bender.

[Blankments]

That alien was a parody of Strong Sad from Homestar Runner;

http://www.hrwiki.org/wiki/File:Babyss.PNG

I doubt it. The entire episode I thought it looked like whipped cream, which made me laugh more at the end.

This episode was hilarious. "EATING BABIES... IS NOT... COOL!"

[ryandcow]

Eating...babies...is not...cool!! Rath would like to have a word with you.

Does anyont think Rath would've looked cooler or more fearsome if he was a Mexican wrestler or someone who looked like he retired from the WWE?

Well he did have hulk hogan refrences (let me tell you something.....) up the wazoo. Rath was soooo awesome, favorite part was when octogn shot Rath, but it didn't hurt Rath, just burn his food; so he destroyed him. :p good episode but not in actual plot quality, it was a fun episode.

[NewcomerDC]

This might sound dumb but season three's pretty much filler right? Since the Highbreed stopped their plans of destroying Earth, all of these episodes are pretty much holding us until the finale that will connect this series to Ben 10: Evolutions. I accidently dubbed the third Ben 10 series Generations because I thought it would be cool if we found out that there were other kids that possess the powers of some of Ben's old alien forms like we've seen in Alien Force. Plus the title of the new series sounds like it's a nod to X-Men: Evolution.

[zoombie]

Rath is a nice change of pace from this season arrogant Ben. I like how he soften up at the end, and showed he can have a caring side too.

[ToonFaithful]

This might sound dumb but season three's pretty much filler right? Since the Highbreed stopped their plans of destroying Earth, all of these episodes are pretty much holding us until the finale that will connect this series to Ben 10: Generations.
Don't you mean Ben 10: Evolutions?

[ryandcow]

This might sound dumb but season three's pretty much filler right? Since the Highbreed stopped their plans of destroying Earth, all of these episodes are pretty much holding us until the finale that will connect this series to Ben 10: Generations.

Evolutions and Dwayne mcduffie said something like that but would not like it being called filler, but I think he said it's supposed to set up series 3.

[RonDrakenfan17]

This has got to be my favorite episode by far this season. Rath, agreeing with the rest of you is my new favorite alien of Bens. Just cracked me up so much. I'm glad to know that there's more than one new episode this month, if the rest of season three is as good as todays episode I'll be thrilled :)

[AnimationX]

Rath ended up being a pretty cool alien, not only did he have a cool design but he had a cool attitude and his voice over was awesome, not a whole lot of action in this episode though, but it was still very enjoyable. Hopefully we get to see more new aliens in the future that were as enjoyable as Rath was.

[Anyone00]

Well I thought Rath was funny and I'm just waiting for him to get knocked in the head and say 'SCISSORS! 61!'.

[KPTitan]

Am I seeing things, or were some of you pretty much bashing Rath and his design earlier in another thread?;)

But seriously....you guys make this episode sound really awesome. I can't wait till I get a chance to see it.

I wanna get one thing straight though....this will be the last episode of season 3 that becomes available in the season pass of iTunes...so, does that mean that I'd have to wait for DVD's to come out, or will these episodes still be available on iTunes but just not part of the season pass?

[ryandcow]

What Rath should have said to big red- "let me tell you something trigon! You need to drop a couple pounds!!!"

[NewcomerDC]

I wanna get one thing straight though....this will be the last episode of season 3 that becomes available in the season pass of iTunes...so, does that mean that I'd have to wait for DVD's to come out, or will these episodes still be available on iTunes but just not part of the season pass?
Why is CN being so cheap? This is the exact same problem I had about the final season of Foster's except CN redeemed themselves by adding the final episodes to the Season 6 section thus completing the series. Too bad CN couldn't finish that show on DVD. However with Ben 10: Alien Force, I wished that CN could've given this seperate complete season sets like what happened with the original Ben 10. Plus don't forget that itunes had been skipping out on many episodes of a lot of series with the big examples of The Proud Family not getting the complete series underneath the Disney Channel section and Super Robot Monkey Team Hyperforce Go! and Mighty Morphin' Power Rangers with split episode orders before they were deleted.

[ryandcow]

Am I seeing things, or were some of you pretty much bashing Rath and his design earlier in another thread?;)

But seriously....you guys make this episode sound really awesome. I can't wait till I get a chance to see it.

I wanna get one thing straight though....this will be the last episode of season 3 that becomes available in the season pass of iTunes...so, does that mean that I'd have to wait for DVD's to come out, or will these episodes still be available on iTunes but just not part of the season pass?
His character is way better than the design (I was a fan of it) and on the iTunes thing, that angers me!!!!!! I wanna hit something!!!!! Garr!!! But actually they'll probably add a season 4, but we'll need to pay for it again.

[AnimationX]

His character is way better than the design (I was a fan of it) and on the iTunes thing, that angers me!!!!!! I wanna hit something!!!!! Garr!!! But actually they'll probably add a season 4, but we'll need to pay for it again.

While I did enjoy his design, I admit that the characters voice over and attitude was far superior to his visual appearence, he was a fun alien though and totally different from how I envisioned him to be by the promo's that CN aired a thousand times over this past week. Kudo's Alien Force, you managed to entertain me once again!

[Mesousa]

As if DiMaggio wasn't hogging enough screentime...

Wow, the word "kill" was said a lot. The first series didn't have this, if I'm correct.

[Icthyosura]

I don't think iTunes is planning on selling "Con of Rath", from what I was told in the Ben10toys.net chat room (my compliements to Agent Spectre for making such an awesome site, its way better now then it was before) they plan on releasing the episode in a two disc boxset, one disc with the episode and the second disc with a 20 minute documentary called "Creating Rath", another feature called "From fact to fiction: Tigers" which gives some info about how real life tigers influenced Rath's design and personality. A bloopers reel, some deleted scenes including one where Rath runs into Sunder from the episode "Single Handed", finally theres a interview with John DiMaggio.

Apparently, if you buy this at Best Buy, you get an exclusive 4 inch Ambassador Zaw-Veenull figure.

[King_of_doom]

I don't think iTunes is planning on selling "Con of Rath", from what I was told in the Ben10toys.net chat room (my compliements to Agent Spectre for making such an awesome site, its way better now then it was before) they plan on releasing the episode in a two disc boxset, one disc with the episode and the second disc with a 20 minute documentary called "Creating Rath", another feature called "From fact to fiction: Tigers" which gives some info about how real life tigers influenced Rath's design and personality. A bloopers reel, some deleted scenes including one where Rath runs into Sunder from the episode "Single Handed", finally theres a interview with John DiMaggio.

Apparently, if you buy this at Best Buy, you get an exclusive 4 inch Ambassador Zaw-Veenull figure.

Ok, I know you for being a liar(yes try to admit it) do you have any link to back that up? The episode was good but i totally doubt that they will release a DVD set for one episode and the other with a 20 minute documentary

[Rusakov]

My feelings about this episode are...mixed.

The biggest problem I had with this episode was that it felt like continuity porn. Too much time was spent reminding people about characters we had seen earlier in the series. It wasn't bad the first time but it got a bit repetitive after a while.

That being said, the episode did have its funny moments and I'm willing to give the episode at least that much.


Wow, the word "kill" was said a lot. The first series didn't have this, if I'm correct.

Yes I was surprised at that too. It was one of the things that really stuck out for me in this episode.

[Blankments]

I don't think iTunes is planning on selling "Con of Rath", from what I was told in the Ben10toys.net chat room (my compliements to Agent Spectre for making such an awesome site, its way better now then it was before) they plan on releasing the episode in a two disc boxset, one disc with the episode and the second disc with a 20 minute documentary called "Creating Rath", another feature called "From fact to fiction: Tigers" which gives some info about how real life tigers influenced Rath's design and personality. A bloopers reel, some deleted scenes including one where Rath runs into Sunder from the episode "Single Handed", finally theres a interview with John DiMaggio.

Apparently, if you buy this at Best Buy, you get an exclusive 4 inch Ambassador Zaw-Veenull figure.

Agent Spectre lost that site and hates the new way it is designed.

[Icthyosura]

Agent Spectre lost that site and hates the new way it is designed.

Modesty is the best policy. :)

[King_of_doom]

Modesty is the best policy. :)

Don't change the subject and show the link on what you said about the DVD of Rath.

[AJ1]

Okay, so Rath was THE MAN, I would love to see more of Rath in future episodes of Ben 10, also from the posts I'm reading it would seem as if a lot of people were suprised by just how cool of an alien he was.

[Icthyosura]

Don't change the subject and show the link on what you said about the DVD of Rath.

You people NEED to lighten up and acknowledge that there are many brands of humor. Also, don't say I'm spreading false rumors, because it couldn't be more obvious that there is no such DVD! It's not false information when the information is obviously intended to be a joke.

I honestly think if I were to say C. H. Greenblatt and Zak Saturday came to my house to play poker and drink wine coolers, you people would ask me to scan a picture as proof!

[King_of_doom]

You people NEED to lighten up and acknowledge that there are many brands of humor. Also, don't say I'm spreading false rumors, because it couldn't be more obvious that there is no such DVD! It's not false information when the information is obviously intended to be a joke.
Like the one with "The New York Times" that was TOO OBVIOUS :rolleyes:.......Remember that you are on the internet a place where you can't read people's expressions, if you want to joke around go somewhere else.

[veemonjosh]

You people NEED to lighten up and acknowledge that there are many brands of humor. Also, don't say I'm spreading false rumors, because it couldn't be more obvious that there is no such DVD! It's not false information when the information is obviously intended to be a joke.

I honestly think if I were to say C. H. Greenblatt and Zak Saturday came to my house to play poker and drink wine coolers, you people would ask me to scan a picture as proof!

On most of the internet, if you spread false information (even if it's intended as a "joke"), you'll be branded as a troll. Toon Zone tries to keep up its reliability as an accurate source for news, so posting this stuff without saying "yes, I'm kidding" goes against that appearance. As for asking for a picture of that, no, we'd just think you're insane.

Anyways, Rath was awesome! This is probably my favorite episode of this season so far, and I hope to see more of him in future episodes.

Also loved Kevin's line about it being "a bad dream where everyone you know is out to get you", meaning even the characters were noticing that every secondary/minor enemy in this series were making cameos during this.

[JasonFox]

I quite enjoyed this episode. It had some action, humor and a very cute alien prince. Rath I think is a love/hate alien, but IMO I liked him his wanting to do everything his way can do attitude was just enjoyment to watch.

Rating: 9/10

[Light Lucario]

I thought that this was a really cool episode. I never had much of a problem with Rath's design, but I agree that his voice and overall personality in this episode was better. He was so cool. I kept on thinking of Hulk Hogan whenever he was shouting, which worked for his character. In all honesty, Rath's personality appealed to me more than Ben's usual huge ego personality that he's had through most of this season.

I didn't expect the brothers here to be clones. I figured that they just survived somehow anyway. I also was surprised that the baby was meant to be eaten the whole time. At least Rath became even more awesome with saving the baby and standing up to both leaders. This was one of my favorite episodes of the season thus far. I hope that the next new episode will be enjoyable as well.

[KPTitan]

Yep.... it's not the truth that Con of Rath isn't on iTunes... because I just got done watching it on iTunes. What I was originally asking about was the episodes after the Con of Rath.

@Icthyosura: Like I had said before in another thread, this is the INTERNET. The majority of us can't tell if you're kidding or not, because we can't hear your tone of voice and what your facial expressions look like. I have a friend on AIM who jokes around as much as you, but he at least shows smilies/gives out tiny hints that he's kidding. You can't really tell us to "lighten up", it's not like we can read your mind or anything like that.... if you don't want people snapping at you for doing what you're doing, you should at least show some hints or use smilies to indicate if you're telling the truth or not.

And when you give out info like that, you need to provide a valid source. There's so much rumors and lies going around the Internet about everything that providing a source is pretty essential, especially news involving media and other stuff.

Let me tell you somethin' (pun not intended:sweat:)...What the real problem here is, is that you actually seem to spread false information for laughs (you said that yourself: "It's not false information when the information is obviously intended to be a joke"). Whether it's for a joke or not, it's STILL false information, no matter how you look at it. You wanna know a really good example? How about that one kid who made a false Twitter account claiming it was an official account belonging to The Pokemon Company, which happened sometime last month. Trusted Pokemon-related news sites like Serebii, Bulbapedia, just about all the Pokemon websites had thought it was legit and posted it as part of their news articles, because it was extremely convincing. He meant it as a cruel joke, but it was still false information. Spreading false information just for kicks is pretty much against the rules on TZ, amoung other forums, for the reason that it's considered as trolling.

As for this episode... I was pretty much lol'ing the whole time. Especially when Ben was calling Vulcanus "baby man". I now officially have a favorite quote from the whole Alien Force series: Let me tell you somethin'!! I liked how he said somebody's full name/title after saying that. 'Let me tell you somethin', Kevin E. Levin!' That guy was nothin' but opening a can of whoop-a** on everybody, especially when he says that.:lol:

Holy crap.... that king really DID look like Trigon. I bet that's how the creators were inspired for his (the alien king) design.

[ryandcow]

I loved the part with the incursions, and was surprised about the Vreedles being clones, which was hilarious. The bad dream part was probably my favorite joke, when Gwen says I don't have those, and kev guiltilty says me either. :p @kptitan on trigon, glen murkamimi did TT's animation, and he's part of AF's animation crew.

[R-Taco]

Easily, easily the best episode of the series post-timeskip. That isn't saying much, but the dialogue and characterization were great. Rath may have a boring design, but his personality makes him by far my favorite new alien.

[hezzy]

Easily, easily the best episode of the series post-timeskip. That isn't saying much, but the dialogue and characterization were great. Rath may have a boring design, but his personality makes him by far my favorite new alien.
The design is not boring its to overused. Think about it.

[R-Taco]

The design is not boring its to overused. Think about it.

No, I'd say it's boring. :p It's a humanoid tiger. That's it. It could be any other humanoid animal and it would still be boring if they left it as plain as they did here.

[KPTitan]

Going by his dialogue and his personality, I'm thinking that Rath was more than likely supposed to be based off a wrestler more than anything else.

[ryandcow]

Specifically Hulk Hogan.

[AnimationX]

Specifically Hulk Hogan.

Rath did strike me as having some kind of a connection to a pro wrestler, but I wouldn't say he struck me as being like Hulk Hogan. He reminds me more of some cheesy 80's wrestler that would call himself "The Basher" or "The Crusher" or something over the top like that, something more geneic than Hogan.

[Manhunter]

Rath did strike me as having some kind of a connection to a pro wrestler, but I wouldn't say he struck me as being like Hulk Hogan. He reminds me more of some cheesy 80's wrestler that would call himself "The Basher" or "The Crusher" or something over the top like that, something more geneic than Hogan.

The way Rath kept saying "Let me tell you something" is likely what brings the Hogan comparison.

[ryandcow]

Yep that's why I said it was Hulk Hogan.

[Light Lucario]

The way Rath kept saying "Let me tell you something" is likely what brings the Hogan comparison.

That's true. I also thought that his voice sounded similar to Hulk Hogan from the 90's, even when he wasn't saying "Let me tell you something". Though, that saying did remind me of a similar catchphrase Hogan had back in the day.

[KPTitan]

I know that John Dimaggio was the one that voiced Rath, but his voice automatically reminded me of Moter Ed from Kim Possible (who was also voiced by him).

[ryandcow]

I know that John Dimaggio was the one that voiced Rath, but his voice automatically reminded me of Moter Ed from Kim Possible (who was also voiced by him).
Oh, yep that too.

[River26]

lol You'd definitely wouldn't want to make him angry. Though, I agree that he was about to give Kev a beating at the end.

[Collie]

I know that John Dimaggio was the one that voiced Rath, but his voice automatically reminded me of Moter Ed from Kim Possible (who was also voiced by him).

I think this makes Rath the first Ben 10: Alien Force alien not voiced by Dee Bradley Baker, doesn't it?

[ryandcow]

Ghostfreak isn't voiced by Baker.

[Slane]

Ghostfreak isn't voiced by Baker.

Alien X was voiced by Yuri Lowenthal, Vicki Lewis, and alternatively Kevin Conroy or Jeff Bennett.

[ryandcow]

So the third not voiced by Baker.

[vanidad]

Was a good episode.:p

I still can not stop laughing when Kevin was fainting and Gwen & Rath when they were open mouth... but fortunately they had experience caring for babies from episode 24.:D

My score on this episode is: 9.5/10

[Polychrome]

This episode had me ROTFL. There's just something so...bizarre about Ben acting like something out of a wrestling ring.

Also, I think this is the first alien that significantly changed his personality. Freaky.

[Kryten]

This episode had me ROTFL. There's just something so...bizarre about Ben acting like something out of a wrestling ring.

Also, I think this is the first alien that significantly changed his personality. Freaky.

Not really. Brainstorm has that whole "pompous, insufferable genius" thing going. Basically, he's Stewie in Giant Enemy Crab form.