Bugs and Daffy - 3/22/02

[Jon Cooke]

Theme: Water

"Muscle Tussle" (1953/Daffy Duck)
"Aqua Duck" (1963/Daffy Duck)
"Wackiki Wabbit" (1943/Bugs Bunny)
"Shanghaied Shipmates" (1936/Porky Pig) - computer colorized
"Rabbitson Crusoe" (1956/Bugs Bunny/Yosemite Sam)
"Tweety's S.O.S." (1951/Tweety & Sylvester/Granny)


-Jon

[Daffyfan2002]

Wow, you're fast, Jon. The show just ended 15 minutes ago and already you have that info up. Lol. Of course the fact that we probably live in different time zones might have something to do with it. By the way, I want to comment on the redrawing of "Wakiki Wabbit." I watched that cartoon on the "Great American Cartoons: Bugs Bunny" video last week and I've noticed that the backgrounds and color were kind of dull, and you could tell it was a 40s cartoon. However, when I saw it on CN today I've noticed they really did a good job redrawing it. The animation and the color really looked great. It could even have passed for an 80s or 90s toon. I just thought I'd bring that up.

[Tintin]

It's fun where you updated the TV highlits page on What Aired Today board for added the canadian TV listings. It's the listing:

TELETOON

TOM & JERRY (The 70's episodes)

English: Tuesday-thursday at 9:00pm and 1:00am
French: Weekends at 8:00pm and 1:00am

THE ROAD RUNNER SHOW

English: Tuesday-thursday at 9:30pm and 1:30am
French: Weekends at 8:30pm and 1:30am (it's just the RR shorts)

TINY TOON ADVENTURES

English: Weekdays at 3:30pm
French: Weekdays at 8:00am and 3:30pm

THE SYLVESTER & TWEETY MYSTERIES

English only: Weekends at 7:30am

The 2 languages:

3rd BUGS BUNNY MOVIE: 1001 RABBIT TALES

Friday march 29th at 5:00pm

THE BUGS BUNNY/ROAD RUNNER MOVIE

Saturday march 30th at 5:00pm

THE BUGS BUNNY & TWEETY SHOW (special retro presentation to tribute to Chuck Jones)

English: march 29th, march 30th and march 31th at 7:00pm to 10:00pm
French: march29th, march 30th and march 31th at 7:00pm to 9:00pm

TVA

QUOI DE NEUF, BUGS?

March 31th at 7:00am and april 1th at 6:30am

TQS

DAFFY DUCK'S EASTER SHOW

April 1th at 5:00pm.

That's all Jon! :D

[Jack]

Originally posted by Daffyfan2002
I've noticed that the backgrounds and color were kind of dull, and you could tell it was a 40s cartoon. However, when I saw it on CN today I've noticed they really did a good job redrawing it. The animation and the color really looked great. It could even have passed for an 80s or 90s toon. I just thought I'd bring that up.
That cartoon was never redrawn, it's a dubbed version. They made a better print of it, all of the animation and backgrounds are original.

I'd suspect that it will look even better when they actually restore it from the original negatives. Dubbed versions sometimes turn out nice, Wackiki Wabbit is one of the better done dubbed cartoons from what I recall. They even windowboxed the scenes with subtitles so you could read them.

The 40s cartoons just look dull because they weren't taken care of, they used nice colors in the 40s too.


Jack :D

[Matthew Hunter]

I think they need to do a Road Runner one, you know, six or seven Road Runners in a row. And if they're really nice, they'll air "Tired and Feathered" and "Out and Out Rout"...my copies of those really suck.
-Matthew

[Pilmedium]

Originally posted by Daffyfan2002
It could even have passed for an 80s or 90s toon.

And you think that's a good thing? :(

[Daffyfan2002]

Why? What do you mean?

[Pilmedium]

Originally posted by Daffyfan2002
Why? What do you mean?

That comment was made because I think any cartoons after the end of the classic era have no chance of being as good. Some of the stories and animation aren't very good. Therefore, 1980s and 1990s cartoons aren't as good.

Of course, I probably interpreted it wrong. Were you referring to the quality of the picture? Even still, some non-restored cartoons as early as the 1950s are in good condition.

[Daffyfan2002]

Yeah, I was pretty much referring to the quality. On the other hand I liked some 80s, 90s Warner Bros. cartoons: (Ex: Portrait of the Artist as a Young Bunny, Invasion of the Bunny Snatchers) But I see what you mean now.

[Billy]

Reminds me of the fact I have a video from 1999 that has about 20 seconds of 'Flirty Birdy' on it taped off BBC (The English channel that showed WB and MGM shorts until Cartoon Network got the licence) and the quality is terrible-a dark print with loads of scratches. But when I saw it on Cartoon Network last year it looked miles better! But I didn't hear anything about the Tom and Jerry's getting remastered like the Looney Tunes?

[Daffyfan2002]

What's the difference between a "redrawn" version and a "dubbed" version?

[Billy]

A redrawn is an old black and white cartoon that has been colorized the hard way-tracing over the original frames and adding colour. It was done with the Looney Tunes in the 1960s,Betty Boop in the 1970s and Popeye in the 1980s. The result on some of the Looney Tunes looked pretty awful so they computer colorized them in the 1990s. However the Betty Boop and Popeye cartoons remain redrawn.

Dubbed Versions are old WB cartoons made before 1948 that have been remastered so they look better. This was done in 1995. I originally thought it meant they had redubbed all the voices, but that's a different kind of dub. Again sometimes the results look great (Confederate Honey) and sometimes godawful (Hiss and Make Up).

[J Lee]

But I didn't hear anything about the Tom and Jerry's getting remastered like the Looney Tunes?

Time to say something nice about Ted Turner: After Cartoon Network started up, the Turner people had new prints done of all of their classic cartoons. The Tom & Jerry and Avery cartoons never got the "dubbed" notice so yuou can't see the difference as easily, plus the MGM toons were always owned until 1985 by MGM, and they took care of their cartoons better than the AAP/United Aritsts 16 did on the pre-48 color WB shorts. The most noticable differnce is on the Cinemascope releases, where the titles are now letterboxed instead of squashed in (also on the old prints, the ending to "Downbeat Bear" was suddenly cut to avoid having to end the cartoon in letterbox format for the "The End" title. The new version just pulls back into a letterbox ending and AFAIK, people with torches and axes haven't stormed Techwood Drive in Atlanta complaining about the change).

The Turner people also struck new prints for their Popeye and Superman cartoons in the mid-1990s, cutting out the AAP titles on the B&Ws and re-inserting the Paramount logo (sloppily in some cases) on the Famous Studio color releases.

[Daffyfan2002]

I see. Thanks, Billy.

[Billy]

Here we are, 2 pictures from around the same point in 'Flirty Birdy' before and after dubbing. The BBC print was taken in early 1999 which must have meant they never got the new print and played this one until it gasped to be remastered!

http://www.dirthurts.com/images/billyh/fbird1.jpg

http://www.dirthurts.com/images/billyh/fbird2.jpg

[Thad Komorowski]

The second picture is the version that's always been aired on CN.


-Thad

[Pilmedium]

:looks at the first picture:
Tom is a black cat! :eek:

[Billy]

Yes, like I said the print must have gone back to the 1960s or 1970s and must have been played to death, which is why the colours had deteriorated so much it does looks like a blackface gag! By the end of the year Cartoon Network had took the rights so I finally got to see the better print that they use.