"Blade II" Talkback (Spoilers)

[James Harvey]

Faster. Sharper. Deadlier.
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"There's an old saying: Keep your friends close, keep your enemies closer." - Blade

Release Date: March 22, 2002
Studio: New Line Cinema
Director: Guillermo del Toro
Starring: Wesley Snipes, Kris Kristofferson, Ron Perlman, Luke Goss, Leonor Varela, Matt Schulze, Norman Reedus, Donnie Yen, Danny John-Jules, Daz Crawford, Rey-Phillip Santos, Tomas Kretschmann

Plot Summary: Exploding from the pages of Marvel Comics comes the thrilling follow-up to the blockbuster "Blade". Blade (Snipes) is half man and half vampire and consumed by a desire to avenge the curse of his birth and save the human race from a blood-drenched Armageddon. In this newest action-packed adventure, Blade must align himself with a high-powered team of vampires to take on a greater evil than either has ever faced -- a new kind of super-vampire that is itself on a vicious hunt to eradicate both races.

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Comments?


The movie opens today! Let's see some great comments and discussions on this flick!

[Apache Chief]

One of the few critics I trust, the great Roger Ebert, gave this thing 3 1/2 stars! I loved Mimic, by the same directior, so I'm there tonight...

[ShadowWolf]

Well, I saw it. All I'm going to say for the moment is that it's worth seeing. I thought it was much better than the first one.
I might go see it again and that is something I rarely do.

[Heehaw]

Saw it earlier today. Have to say that it is one of the greatest sequels ever made or conceived. It ranks up there with Aliens and Terminator 2 in that regard. A few one-liner moaners and some fairly pathetic acting from some of the secondaries, but that is a carry over from the original.

[Failure]

Don't look for anything deep, but it's an unwittingly cool, totally stylish movie! I don't have time right now, so I'll get more into it later, but people definitely check it out!

[spyke]

I loved it, especialy the fight scene at the end, which looked lie it came straight out of a comic book or anime movie. In fact I'll go so far as to say that the end fight scene was the best live action fight scene featuring a comic book character (barely beating out the fight scene between superman and general zod and his henchmen in metopolis in superman 2). This is how a comic book movie should be done.

[Chris Sanders MSX]

I'm going to see it later today..At first i was expectind it to be a lil worse than the first but after what I read from you guys..I'm psyched!

[Jedi Knight]

Totally awesome movie! If you thought the first one was cool, this one will blow you away. From the first movie, the only thing I really liked was the scene at the beginning where he walks into the Vampire rave and just starts owning everyone. In this movie, that happens every 15 minutes! I loved the stuff in the tunnels, just fast and furious action.

Brainless movie, but one of the better recent popcorn flicks. Pure entertainment.

[The Clown Prince]

A very cool movie! I have to say that this is one of those rare occassions where the sequel is better than the original. With all the new movies opening up in the coming weeks, I doubt I'll be able to see this one again until it comes to video, and boy I cannot wait for the DVD release of this movie. New Line should really deck it out with lots of extras.

I loved Ron Pearlman, very cool actor. Whistler was a lot better in this movie too. Everything was better this time! I have to make a comparison here though. Didn't the Bloodpack strangely resemble the group of bounty hunters in Vampire Hunter D: Bloodlust? What really stood out between the two, was the big muscular guy with the hammer in VHDBL, and the big muscular guy with the hammer in B2.

The Clown Prince

[Chris Sanders MSX]

This Movie was kick arse in the BEST defintion of the word. I loved every minute of it. And I have to agree that this movie has the ABSOLUTE best battle sequences I have ever seen on film.

The movie has a few twists, that work perfectly and the end is just great. I'm telling you this movie rocked. Go see it if your avoiding it.

My favorite fight sequence is during the battle with "the true enemy" when he swings Blade around..like how Mario would Bowzer.

Man..I'm too excited..I want to tell the entire film so To stop my self I'll just go.

[BatKid]

I just saw it with friends, and I must say, all of us thought this movie kicked ass!!! :)

It has a lot of very cool fighting sequences and it also had a few comedy in there too. Wesley Snipes shows off his martial arts skills, and does a good job of it in the film.

The camera movements are awesome when it shows Blade or someone else flying through the air or when they are fighting. I can't even describe it, you have to see it for yourself. Anyone who hasn't seen it yet, should go see it...NOW! :p

[TheHuntressDiana]

I just got back from seeing it...in a pretty much sold-out theater.

Loved Wesley. He really enjoyed making this...you can tell. And you can definately tell that the fight sequences were more intense and as someone else said, the camera angles were incredible. More so than the 1st film.

The only problem I had with Blade himself was his attachment (so quickly) to Nyssa.

And while Whistler's lines were great...I still feel it was a bit of a cop-out to bring him back that way. Call my cynical, but he should've stayed dead.

What I'd really like to know is...what's up with the blue-black blood? Was that just because of age?

Don't get me wrong...even with my nitpicking, I throughly enjoyed the flick. I'll give it 3.5/4 out of 5.

[Jedi Knight]

Originally posted by TheHuntressDiana
What I'd really like to know is...what's up with the blue-black blood? Was that just because of age?


Are you talking about the veins in Damaskinos and Novak's faces? Or when Damaskinos is bleeding? I just assumed it was blood coming out of veins, 'cause blood looks blue when it doesn't hace oxygen in it. Well, in any case, it's a movie based on a comic book, their blood could be green and no one would care. ;)

[spyke]

Originally posted by The ClownPrince
A very cool movie! I have to say that this is one of those rare occassions where the sequel is better than the original. With all the new movies opening up in the coming weeks, I doubt I'll be able to see this one again until it comes to video, and boy I cannot wait for the DVD release of this movie. New Line should really deck it out with lots of extras.

I loved Ron Pearlman, very cool actor. Whistler was a lot better in this movie too. Everything was better this time! I have to make a comparison here though. Didn't the Bloodpack strangely resemble the group of bounty hunters in Vampire Hunter D: Bloodlust? What really stood out between the two, was the big muscular guy with the hammer in VHDBL, and the big muscular guy with the hammer in B2.

The Clown Prince

I also noticed the similarities between the bloodpack and the marcus brothers from vampire hunter D:blood lust, especialy that both groups had a bald headed big guy with a large hamer with a spike sticking out of it. There were also similarities to the first vampire hunter D movie like the whole being born a pure blood thing, the daughter of the boss vampire seeing the honor in blade and turning against her father, and the line by perlman when he said to blade "I wonder how many vampires died by this blade" as he held blade's sword was the exact same thing the boss vampire said to D in the first movie.

[The Clown Prince]

I also noticed the similarities between the bloodpack and the marcus brothers from vampire hunter D:blood lust, especialy that both groups had a bald headed big guy with a large hamer with a spike sticking out of it. There were also similarities to the first vampire hunter D movie like the whole being born a pure blood thing, the daughter of the boss vampire seeing the honor in blade and turning against her father, and the line by perlman when he said to blade "I wonder how many vampires died by this blade" as he held blade's sword was the exact same thing the boss vampire said to D in the first movie.

Hmmmm, I wonder if David Goyer is a fan of the Vampire Hunter movies? Considering Bloodlust had been done for quite awhile, Goyer could have seen the Japanese release of it, before he wrote his script. I just have to wonder though.... Still, Blade 2 was a very good movie.

The Clown Prince

[GL2k2]

This flick will definitely be added to the original in my DVD collection. It is a helluva sequel, New Line Cinema is pulling out all the stops. Ever since "The Spy Who Shagged Me", they keep making sequels that kick butt in the box office especially with Rush Hour 2. Blade II is a must see. The special effects are better, the story is better, the weapons are better, it is a must see. There isn't much disappointing with this one. It won't win Oscars, but it will win money, exactly the kind of movie we want to see around this time. A popcorn muncher!


Can't wait for Black Panther!!!!!!!!!!!!

[Chris Sanders MSX]

And while Whistler's lines were great...I still feel it was a bit of a cop-out to bring him back that way. Call my cynical, but he should've stayed dead.

Nah.. I liked the way they brought him back...It's not like they just did it to be doing it either, he actually had a purpose. His interaction with Skud was perfect and it gave you some doubt in him, with lines torwards him like "No one goes Cold turkey after just one night"...

If he would of stayed dead there would be a pointless gap in the movie that would make you go.. Huh ? They obviously ahd a reason to bring him back, because a new character just wouldn't fit..

One thing do have to ask is what the heck was everyone talking about when they said this film was too gorey ?

[cjshoup]

i saw the first one. I liked it so much, I bought the DVD (I never buy movies anyway much, and it was my first DVD movie)

Just by word of mouth, I'll like the Blade 2. Hope to see it soon.

(Off-topic Question) Does anyone know where i get the weapons at a reasonable price. I collect swords and daggers from movies
Liking Blade, I want to add The sword of the daywalker, and the glaive (The weapon he throws) to my collection. The last price i saw was 170 for the sword and 130 for the glaive

[FLIPMODE]

This is the greatest Comic book movie ever made. I urge everyone to go see this movie. I had so much fun last night, and the crowd was simply amazed by everything in the movie, they were Very into it.

The Special effects were off the charts, because they looked very natural and realistic looking, it did not look goofy, no silly wire-fu. It was mostly real fighting. And for the scenes with special effects, they went beyond what anyone has done to date. The Camera Angles were done better than anything. And editing was seemless. This guy Novak at the End, is doing some INCREDIBLE moves on Blade. That's All I'll say. You'll probably jump out of your seat.

This will definitly be the standard of all comic book movies come to life, from here on. And even some of the techniques used in this film are being used in otheres, but so far, this looks way better. They should really study thiss film, before they do another Batman movie, granted Batman can't do some of the things the Vampires in this movie can do, but stil camera movement, and right down to the bone crunching Fighting Technique Blade uses is perfect, and flows well, with no flaws. The fighting that Blade does is very brutal, and fast, and at some parts makes jackie chan look like a wimp. :D The sword fighting was amazing as well.

Once again once you combined all that wth this new camera style, you will be amazed.

[Steven C]

Blade 2 sucks!! The first one was 10x better. The effects were awesome, but the story was garbage.

[Nightwing]

I saw it just last night and boy was it pure comic book movie excellence! With all the Buffy I consume each week I almost (only ALMOST, don't worry :p) forget there are other 'vampire story continuities' out there. And let me say, Blade's is awesome and they did a perfect job with it in both movies. The sequal's story was very involved, but not so much as to lead to confusion. It all fit. And, contrary to my worries years ago when I heard a sequal was going to be made, Whistler's return was my favorite part. I just love the character! This movie takes the concept of vampire movies and blows it completely out of the water. I.E. if you thought vampires were an incredibly dark, emotionless evil, wait until you dive into THIS nightmare.

Ya know I was thinking. I compared Buffy and Blade's vampire story continuities. And although I like Buffy's better, I think Blade's is slightly more realistic, by reason of this one little funny fact. Blade, the strongest weapon against vampire kind in existence, is basically a product of genetics -although the fact that since Vampires are supposedly dead, meaning their bodies don't function and they can't reproduce kinda puts a damper on that, but that's another topic- while Buffy is a gift to us by the power of Good, because our Earth is extremely outmatched by the entire demon world. Oh come on, like they'd just throw us a bone like that. ;) We should BE so lucky!

[Jowy Blight]

Man, you people really make me want to see this movie now. I can't see it til next weekend though. :(

[Trent Lane]

Man, I can't say enough good things about this movie!!! We went to the theater, jam packed, and I was into the movie the whole way through. The characters were awesome, the interaction between them was great, and it even had a few laughs. When I got out of the theater, all I could think about was seeing it again and how much more I anticipated Spiderman now... what would totally rock is a Spidey/Blade crossover moive, IMHO... could you imagine the effects in that?!

[FLIPMODE]

It's been a little over 24 hours since I've seen it, and Me and my friends can't stop talking about it.

AAAH I CANT HELP MY SELF:
!!!***SPOILERS***!!! ....*DO NOT READ THEM UNTIL YOU'VE SEEN THE MOVIE*:

This guy Novac? is SCALING the Walls( LOOK OUT SPIDEY!) Blade is K.O.ed, and WHAM!! he's on him again in a Blink of an eye, ELBOW after ELBOW after ELBOW!!! To the Neck, the guy must have Elbow dropped him from 50 feet, at Super Speed!! And Blade's Head getting hurtled Through Concrete, after being Swung... OH MY GOSH!! (I just think it's cool he can withstand thet LEVEL of punishment.) AND WHO CAN OVERLOOK MY FAVORITE MOVe: THE BLADE BACKDROP!

I MUST SEE THIS MOVIE AGAIN!!! :eek:

Anyone else catch the referrence to "THE DARK KNIGHT RETURNS" By Scud?

And can anyone else point out the cool, comic book pose by Blade at the near the End of the Film? Batman, Spiderman, and Spawn have all been Drawn in this same Pose, and I thought it was so cool that he was doing it a film.

From Begginning to end this movie had my total attention. I could go on but..AAHHH I'll go mad and never go to bed.

[FLIPMODE]

Oh yeah, and I loved the way they handled Whistlers story.

It was done perfectly, with no loose ends. And I think it was smart of them from the first film, to NOT actually SHOW his death.

Besides, Blade need's that old man. As you can see, he does'nt experience love that often. For an old guy Whistlers still pretty fit.

This is definitly a case of THE SEQUEL' BETTER THAN THE ORIGINAL. Just when they said it could'nt be done. Dont get ,e wrong Blade 1 is great, I bought the platinum series, but I have to take my hat off to del Toro, and Snipes, they hit it RIGHT on the Nail for Part 2. Every aspect of this series went UP in quality. :cool:

[The Clown Prince]

I have to take my hat off to del Toro, and Snipes, they hit it RIGHT on the Nail for Part 2.

Don't forget David Goyer, he wrote the thing. It'll be interesting to see Blade 3 now. Goyer and del Torro want to have the story take place 25 years after the events of Blade 2 where the vampires have taken over the earth, and the humans live in concentration camps. Goyer, del Torro, and Snipes are a go for number 3. In an interview I read Goyer and del Torro want Kris Kristoferson back for Blade 3, but since the story will take place 25 years later, Kris Kristoferson's Whistler character will probably be in flashback form, unless they think of something to have him hardly age at all. I hope though we don't have to wait another 4 years for Blade 3 like we did for Blade 2.

The Clown Prince

[Trent Lane]

One more thing I forgot about- was someone involved in making this movie obsessed with the Powerpuff Girls? I just thought it was weird they were on the TV screens in a movie like this...

[Spider-Man]

Goyer is probabaly a big fan. This movie was incredibly, and did wonders with it's $48 million dollar budget. I was blown away by how they combined the CGI and live action into making some amazing seamless fight scenes. Most people said the opening fight was the ebst, but the end fight between Nomak and Blade was just spectacular. I really hope Del Toro returns to do Blade 3 becuase he made this a spectacular sequel. Blade 1 opened with $17.1 million and grossed up to $70.2 million. Blade 2 opened with 33.1 million and is expected to gross about $105 million. I betcha we'll see a Blade 3 by 2004. This was just a great movie that pulled me right in. It was pure popcorn escapist fun, and it was non stop. I love the Whitsler character in this movie. He was a great contrast to Scud. My only dissapointed was to overdone expected-unexpected plot twist of Scud being bad. Scud was a great character and I wish we could see him around more. I really didn't see the point for him to be blown up.

[FLIPMODE]

Wow, thanks for the info clown prince.

I dunno about that Idea for part 3, It kind of makes Blade look like he lost the Battle we see in Current time. I want a Blade 3, but that future seems Bleek. Ah, but I'l leave it up to them, they'll probably make it good.

Hey Spider-man:
In contrast, I pretty much felt that this Scud guy, just did'nt MIX with Blade's personality. It seems like Blade was doing everything in his might to act like this guy was cool, because he seemed like he'd be the type to annoy Blade. So Eventhough I was 50-50 about him being the enemy, ( and the film does a good job from keeping us suspecting him all movie long) I definitly was not shocked. He was always the weak link, that I figured would be the first to double cross, or get turned into a Vamp. I think it's because, I felt Scud would TOO easily fit into Frost's Gang from the first Blade, that's why it was hard to trust this young character. But I still liked his role.

As for the explosion of his body...I found it satisfying. Because even in Blade's Weakest moment, he still came out with a win. And I was just happy to see SOMEBODY explode, especially after all that taunting, for about 1 and 20 minutes. PLUS, it did'nt make Blade look Like a Total idiot, through out the entire film, if it WAS a dud, Blade would look like a Fool. But in reality, Blade could have Blown Reinhardt's head off at any point. That was definitly cool.

Also
There's a scene at the begginng, where Scud get's hit, by the intruders at Blade's (lair?), and his mouth is bleeding. Whistler looks down at the blood. The shot just seems too long, and seems that something was supposed to happen and they cut it out. I bet it will turn up on the DVD.

[Spider-Man]

In hindsight, you do make a great point. I was fearing Scud would be this Jar-Jar like waste of a character, but I was glad how he turned out. Reedus pulle dout a good performance, though not as good as his work in the under-rated (although still mediocre) GOSSIP. He clenched for me...he just looked cool. He was a very different contrast to Whistler, and I loved the conflict between the two. I love the first scene they have togethor where Whistler just gets extremely pissed off at him.

And you make a great point about the blood scene. What struck me most was how the vampires barely even touched Scud, yet smacked Whistler around abit. I guess I was really enjoying his character, and loved the conflict between him and Whistler. Although he apparent PPG fetish was a bit odd...:)

I can't wait to see the deleted scenes on the DVD. I am really looking forward to owning this movie, and I may try and see it again in the threatres. It was a movie that you just couldn't look away from.

[Mattashell]

Sorry about reviving this, but I finally had a chance to catch this.

What to say that hasn't been said? I completely agree what everyone's said about the comic book style. I'm not familair with the Blade series, but I'm familiar with comics. This is a comic book brought to life. Every shot and every aspect of the visual style, and even the writing was a perfect emulation af a really good, and dark graphic novel.

Unlike the first film this one had strong horror elements. Many suspenseful sequences that even rival Alien.

I had no idea this was directed by Guillermo del Toro, who did an excellent job as always. I've loved his work goning back to Cronos.

More surprises came seeing the great Ron Pearlman, and Danny John-Jules of Red Dwarf. I couldn't beleive my eyes so I stayed for the credits and it was really him. After seeing Chris Barrie in Tomb Raider, I'm looking forward to seeing more of that excellent cast in American movies.

My only complaint is that there were inconsistencies from the original. Actually it's not a bad thing, but I don't really feel that having seen the first really helps the viewing of this. The vampires die more easily and in a very different way. This isn't bad but it is kind of jarring. Also the regeneration powers are gone. And no mention of Blade's girlfreind, although I admit I can't remember if she survived the first. Anyway this is insignificant nitpicking and it does not detract from the enjoyment of the film. I loved it.

[Spider-Man]

There were some inconsistencies for sure, but I didn't really notice those after awhile. I completely forgot about Blade's new female partner from the first one as soon as the movie started. I do wonder what happened to her, though. Maybe she fell in the line of duty and was replaced with Scud, played by the ever so cool Norman Reedus.

[Mattashell]

I don't like Matrix-esque special effects, and the opening scene had me worried. I'm glad they didn't do that for the rest of the film.

[JohnStewart-GL]

Originally posted by Spider-Man
There were some inconsistencies for sure, but I didn't really notice those after awhile. I completely forgot about Blade's new female partner from the first one as soon as the movie started. I do wonder what happened to her, though. Maybe she fell in the line of duty and was replaced with Scud, played by the ever so cool Norman Reedus.
I was originally mad that she wasnt returning or even mentioned. I kinda liked her. But mabey she went her seperate way.Sorry im so LATE replying to this thing. I finally went and saw this and i enjoyed every minute of it. The action was DOPE.