Is Osama dead?

[Calhoun07]

Seriously. I know they have no official word on it, nor have they produced any body, but hasn't this guy been like....out of it?...for some time now?

[Trent Lane]

I think he could possibly be dead. Between the bombing going on over there and the fact that he's got that liver/kidney/whatever problem, I'd say chances are pretty damn good. And I guess that's good, but I still would've liked to have seen what he would've done had we really backed him into a corner... but I guess he's a coward to the very end....

[JohnStewart-GL]

Originally posted by Calhoun07
Seriously. I know they have no official word on it, nor have they produced any body, but hasn't this guy been like....out of it?...for some time now?
i hope so

[Leaping Larry Jojo]

If I were a terrorist and everyone thought I might be dead, I would milk that and stay in silence for an uncalculated amount of time...and then when everyone least expects it, I strike again.

Just speculating on what a terrorist might be thinking.

[The Game]

I highly doubt it- but who knows. I don't think there will ever be "official confirmation" of his death, the guy's like a ghost. We will get him eventually, but I doubt we (the public) will ever know for sure.

-The Game

[ButteredToast]

If he were dead, I defintely think we'd know about it by now. Let's face it, a martyr is many time more dangerous than a leader.

[James Harvey]

There's no offcial word. Apparently there are sdozens of caves blown up and they are still searching through rubble, which is apparebntly very dangerous due to snipers in the area. They are stil searching, and the search will be ongoing for awhile. Some newswires say that he escaped the area awhile ago. Everything is up in the air, so to speak.

[Pilmedium]

If there is no proof that Osama is dead, just assume that he isn't, to be safe. :(

[ccffan01]

I think he dead but maybes thats just hope.

[Squall]

I think he's been dead for several months now. However, since a martyr is many times more dangerous than a leader, the U.S. government decided to pretend that he may still be alive, in the hopes that he'll become the terrorist version of Elvis Presley (One terrorist says to the other, "Hey! I saw Osama Bin Laden eatiing at a restaurant in Pakistan!" etc. etc.) Better to have your enemy devoting their resources to finding their devoted leader than to killing your people...

One thing's for sure, whether he's alive or dead, he's not enjoying life anymore. If he's alive, he's tired, hungry, in need of medical attention, and on the run, and if he's dead... then he'd dead.

But, I also think it's more important to destroy the terrorist network he built than to devote everything to getting this 'one man.' Without his terrorist network, he's just an old, crazy man with kidney problems...

[Calhoun07]

However, since a martyr is many times more dangerous than a leader, the U.S. government decided to pretend that he may still be alive, in the hopes that he'll become the terrorist version of Elvis Presley

Or the terrorist version of Bernie. I can see it now....Weekend At Osama's ...coming to theaters this summer!

[hello_lola]

I think that someone in his condition, enduring the "stress" he must have been under, must have definitely sucumb to the Reaper, may he rot in hell.

[Lucky Bob]

Well, I have heard say that there is a possibility that Osama Bin Laden is in the U.S. Funnily enough, right after I heard that news, I heard an official statement from Howard Stern asking the FBI to "Stop calling me, already!"


JUST KIDDING! DON'T FLAME ME! :D :D :D

But seriously, I think Bin Laden is alive. But if the reports on his kidneys are any indication, he probably won't be for long.

[Mr. Obsession]

I'm going to have to quote one of the older rules of comic books, that I think applies in this situation:

they're not dead, unless you've seen the body


Personally I think he is alive, at the moment. If he was dead there'd probably be an increase of "troops" right now wanting to fight for the cause of the "Martyred Osama".

[apple head]

Osama Bin Laden may be many things, but he's not stupid. Do you honestly think he was in Afghanistan when the bombings occured? Personally I wish the guy an agonising drawn out death or a weekend with Barbara Streisan (Personally the agonising drawn out death sounds almost pleasent to a weekend with good ol' Barbie).

Still you wouldn't think he would believe destroying the WTC (Which in my opinion is more of an attack on the world rather then the US) and the Pentagon would destroy the US. Retaliation was iminent. Him and that Taliban guy would have escaped quickly through to the north border which I think is Kazahstan or something and are having gay sex in the bushes while their men are getting killed by yanky patriots. It's also possible they are in Pakistan. Playing Cricket?

Personally I think the attacks were a bit too heist, but I'm no American really so it's not my place to comment. Still if the Americans Claim Osama is dead then it's just a lie to hide embarrasment, unless a body is shown. As for Alqueda destroyed? Ha! As I mentioned before the man would have been prepared for the retaliation. Alqueda is not an Afghan orgenisation. They have basis all over the world. Osama was just basinng himself there.

Also don't forget as advanced the US military is it's not perfect and it has been prooven to show holes before.

My $0.02

[Jedigreedo]

I hope he's not dead....not yet anyway, I hope he's on the run, going from cave to cave like the rest of the rats, confused, scared that his cave may be the next one bombed, and I hope that either a U.S. solider gets to pick him off during a front battle or they capture him and bring back the electric chair.

[James]

He's dead. The guy was sighted in his country - I don't think he got across the border.

The fact that his irregular broadcast seem to have stopped would imply that something was up. He wasn't looking too well last transmission..


Sorry folks, there is no blood lust quelling misfortune (or should I say fortune ;) ) to happen here that will give people a shiney outlook to their day. He was bombed out of the sky or has died in the hills.

Lets hope so and get on rebuilding from the damage he caused...

[Pilmedium]

Originally posted by SJJ
He's dead. The guy was sighted in his country - I don't think he got across the border.

What source did that come from?

Also, I don't understand why people want(ed) Bin Laden to be tortured. I just want him to be dead.

[apple head]

The reason he should be tortured is because the worst crime you can do is brainwashing thousands of people who are in need, then using them to kill themselves to kill others. Such evil should be sent to their deathbed with a message. Although it's an ugly side of us it's not killing thousands of innocents because of a stupid grudge.

[James]

Originally posted by apple head
The reason he should be tortured is because the worst crime you can do is brainwashing thousands of people who are in need, then using them to kill themselves to kill others. Such evil should be sent to their deathbed with a message. Although it's an ugly side of us it's not killing thousands of innocents because of a stupid grudge.

Without causing an angry debate (and remaining cool and level headed), it is an assumption that these people were brainwashed into doing what they did. From their POV what they did was not evil. In the same way yourself may have patriotic values and die for the right of independence or simply your country, these people do the same. I'm not advoate the terrible deed, but the first part to solving or dealing with a problem is understanding that all people have beliefs and convictions and that not all would agree with them.

There are many people in the middle east who genuinely see the Western World - and particular - the US as evil. Totally evil. They believe it. It would be simple to say that itself is unfounded and evil, but it's vital to understand that even if you can't understand (and I fall into this equation) this belief, you must appreciate people DO believe it - for whatever reason. Brainwashing? Possibly, but only if you concede that all patriotism is brainwashing (correct me if I'm wrong, but the US pledge of alligence by another perspective could be considered brainwashing - I'm sure many don't believe/understand/care what they are pledgeing for there).

I don't understand the mentality or the belief that drove men to plough a plane full of innocents into a building of more innocent people. Then again, I don't understand the courage of those men who left the trenches in the 1st World War knowing they were going to die. I wish I did. The fact being that understanding is sometimes a far more scary force than the principle of evil. Hating is easy - trying to understand - that is a monumentous task - but I firmly believe that the attempt to do so is not just a moral high ground, but a victory against the forces that terrorism us.

Peace.

[Pilmedium]

Originally posted by apple head
The reason he should be tortured is because the worst crime you can do is brainwashing thousands of people who are in need, then using them to kill themselves to kill others. Such evil should be sent to their deathbed with a message. Although it's an ugly side of us it's not killing thousands of innocents because of a stupid grudge.

Someone who gets tortured might end up escaping. Don't ask how.

Also, he might end up living 20+ more years if tortured instead of killed. People like that don't deserve to live, even if the life is miserable.


That was only a thought, I already know people will disagree.

[BLACKHEART]

Slow and painful death

[apple head]

Well the US has done many things to piss the world off. Especially since that moron got into office on a technicality basis.

I'm not American, but I know what's wrong and if anything I lack any sorts of patriotism for my countries (I'm dual citizen, Australia and Hungary). My point is what has been done was terrible.

Poor dictator lead nations missinform their people with false facts that lead them believing the US is evil. This didn't come out of nowhere, as at the end of the day the US provoked this, but that doesn't make Osama a good guy.

[Pilmedium]

How did the United States provoke anything?

This thread keeps getting more and more confusing...

[James]

Originally posted by Pilmedium
How did the United States provoke anything?

This thread keeps getting more and more confusing...

There is a line of thought that the situation in the Middle East has to with what many of the countries there see as the US unnecessary involvement in the area.

Just to say that Apple Head isn't condoning the act of terrorism, or saying that the US deserved such retaliation, but that the US and other Western Countries have poked around in a region which the locals weren't very happy with.

For an obvious example look towards the situation with Israel and the Middle East.. their involvement since post WWII in the Middle East ahs stirred up a hornets nest.

Whether you agree or not what the motivations or the outcomes of the Middle East politics, one can't deny that bad feeling and hatred for the west has been growing for a long time.

And again I must agree that Bush's time so far has been far from spectacular when it comes to matters of Foreign Policy..!

[Pilmedium]

Originally posted by SJJ
For an obvious example look towards the situation with Israel and the Middle East.. their involvement since post WWII in the Middle East ahs stirred up a hornets nest.


Knowing how the people in the Middle East feel, they probably think the United States is too concerned with their oil... :rolleyes:

[Maxie Zeus]

I just composed and then deleted a very long and irate post. Some things have been said here that, though the posters didn't realize it and certainly did mean to, crossed a line. It is best that matters get dropped.

Discussions of the geopolitics of this situation are best avoided. One side or the other will undoubtedly feel that the other is being foolish and offensive, and will feel compelled to respond.