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Funkatron
11-13-2009, 01:37 AM
http://www.animenewsnetwork.com/news/2009-11-12/live-action-bebop-producer-reveals-1212-entertainment

It has begun.
How well Bebop is adapted will be an indicator on whether this company does anime justice imho.
FireStarterLE
11-13-2009, 02:30 AM
How well Bebop is adapted will be an indicator on whether this company does anime justice imho.

I agree.

If Bebop flops, this company could be in for a long ride (incentive to make the adaptations more faithful and closer to the original content maybe?)

I'm hoping Bebop will be good but after Dragonball it's only natural my hopes wouldn't be to high on that right away.
CartoonOverlord
11-13-2009, 03:16 AM
I agree with what's been said, Bebop will prove if they even care about a lick about the source material. The last thing we need is another DBE. I only wish they could at least do an alright job with Bebop, if it ends up being as such, or better, I'll be sure to see it in theaters.
Gorbash
11-13-2009, 07:22 AM
They better do good with Bebop; the show is the closest thing to a western anime out there. If they fail at making something so western stay true to the source material, then Hollywood has truly sunken low.
GingaDaiuchuu
11-13-2009, 12:34 PM
In my opinion, the best case scenario is that this movie never gets made and this company dies. The worst case scenario is that the movie gets the Dragonball Evolution treatment, and the company continues to do this with all the other best anime ever. The actual scenario will probably be somewhere in between these two, so I guess if the best case scenario doesn't happen, we can only hope that this movie is made well and that, if the company has to keep adapting anime, they all are, too. If it's obvious that the movie is going to suck, as it was with Dragonball Evolution, we all have to do our duty as anime fans and not support it. Don't watch it unless you really want to know how bad it is, in which case don't pay for it. That will only give the company the impression that they can keep doing that to anime and the movies will keep making money.
Taekmkm
11-13-2009, 12:58 PM
"Duty as anime fans?" How about fans of decent movies in general? This isn't specific to "anime" fans.


They better do good with Bebop; the show is the closest thing to a western anime out there.

There's hundreds more stuff closer than Bebop.
TheVileOne
11-13-2009, 02:04 PM
"Duty as anime fans?" How about fans of decent movies in general? This isn't specific to "anime" fans.



There's hundreds more stuff closer than Bebop.

Like what for example?
garfield15
11-13-2009, 03:07 PM
There's hundreds more stuff closer than Bebop.
The only other anime I can think of are GunXSword, Black Lagoon and maybe Lupin. Possibly GiTS and Baccano.

Yeah, anything else.
Taekmkm
11-13-2009, 04:00 PM
Trigun? Unless you know any western deserts in Japan's lore?
TheVileOne
11-13-2009, 06:10 PM
All of those are poor examples compared to Cowboy Bebop.
Jacob T. Paschal
11-13-2009, 06:59 PM
One of the great, undeniable attractors to anime and manga are that they are from the Japanese perspective. If that isn't kept in mind, then I really don't see a point in an American adaptation, espicially if they're just going to loose the elements that drew international fans to the Japanese domestic product in the first place.
TheVileOne
11-13-2009, 07:14 PM
Part of why I love anime so much is the stylized worlds in which they take place.

A world of Bebop where Spike is played by Keanu Reeves would be a joke and ruin everything they created.
garfield15
11-13-2009, 07:20 PM
All of those are poor examples compared to Cowboy Bebop.
Even Baccano?
Taekmkm
11-13-2009, 07:24 PM
espicially if they're just going to loose the elements

What does this mean?
Jacob T. Paschal
11-13-2009, 07:34 PM
What does this mean?

Bah, terrible phraseology on my part.

Basically, if we wind up with another DBE, where a film forgets where it comes from (the mind of a Japanese man who has made his millions on poop jokes, in the case of Dragon Ball at least) and who its fanbase is (need not define).



Now, I've never seen CB in full, and I hear all the time at how it is some sort of 'western anime', but I would be quick to use such phraseology. It's influenced by western culture, but I think what makes it (and call other anime) facinating is that it is Japanese. It looks and feels like something you would not see come (typically?) from an American/Western production.

But what do I now...?
Taekmkm
11-13-2009, 07:37 PM
Uh no, that was a subtle jab at your spelling.

Loose =/= lose.
Mr. Anime
11-13-2009, 07:48 PM
All I want is a decent flim adaptaion of the series, It does't have to be 100% faithful to anime. It just has to be above average flim that hasn't gotten the Dragonball Evolution treatment.
Raidon Makoto
11-13-2009, 08:08 PM
You forget that this might be good. I'm pretty confident that this will be good. The executives and writers seem to really appreciate the source material, and I'm quite confident that Bebop will be done well.
TheVileOne
11-13-2009, 08:18 PM
Even Baccano?

Especially Baccano.


You forget that this might be good. I'm pretty confident that this will be good. The executives and writers seem to really appreciate the source material, and I'm quite confident that Bebop will be done well.

Every Hollywood executive and writer says they do. And almost every one of them lies or talks out of both sides of their mouth.
garfield15
11-13-2009, 08:27 PM
Especially Baccano.

But why? I mean, the other stuff could be handled badly but Baccano actually takes place in America....oh wait a minute.....

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v102/Ensuing/Baccano14_13.jpghttp://img.photobucket.com/albums/v102/Ensuing/Baccano14_13.jpghttp://img5.imageshack.us/img5/9954/baccano1413.jpg

....sigh...never mind, it would impossible to do those two as well as the anime.
Raidon Makoto
11-13-2009, 09:35 PM
Every Hollywood executive and writer says they do. And almost every one of them lies or talks out of both sides of their mouth.
What I've read gives me the feeling they're emotionally invested in the anime. So far, nothing's made me think that its going to be as bad as DBE.
HG Revolution
11-13-2009, 09:35 PM
Now, I've never seen CB in full, and I hear all the time at how it is some sort of 'western anime', but I would be quick to use such phraseology. It's influenced by western culture, but I think what makes it (and call other anime) facinating is that it is Japanese. It looks and feels like something you would not see come (typically?) from an American/Western production.

Bebop is pretty much the anime version of a Tarantino movie. It's a creative mix of American, Chinese, and European cinematic and cultural influences, not so much Japanese as it is a post-national melting pot dream. The most distinctly Japanese thing about it is that the story ended up being told through animation, and this American version obviously doesn't have that. I do think there's a better chance than with most series that the rest of its style and essence can be carried over to make a cool movie.
creativerealms
11-13-2009, 09:58 PM
In my opinion, the best case scenario is that this movie never gets made and this company dies. The worst case scenario is that the movie gets the Dragonball Evolution treatment, and the company continues to do this with all the other best anime ever. The actual scenario will probably be somewhere in between these two, so I guess if the best case scenario doesn't happen, we can only hope that this movie is made well and that, if the company has to keep adapting anime, they all are, too. If it's obvious that the movie is going to suck, as it was with Dragonball Evolution, we all have to do our duty as anime fans and not support it. Don't watch it unless you really want to know how bad it is, in which case don't pay for it. That will only give the company the impression that they can keep doing that to anime and the movies will keep making money.

you really think a DBE treatment is the "Worst case" Hahahahahahaha.

No I'm not saying DBE was good in any way just that you get get much much worse then it. Look at countless Video game to movie adaptions far worse then DBE.
GingaDaiuchuu
11-13-2009, 10:03 PM
you really think a DBE treatment is the "Worst case" Hahahahahahaha.

No I'm not saying DBE was good in any way just that you get get much much worse then it. Look at countless Video game to movie adaptions far worse then DBE.


DBE is pretty much at the same level as most video game adaptations, especially the Uwe Boll ones, in that they don't have anything to do with the original, and are not good films in any way. And no, I don't think this could possibly be any worse than DBE, especially if Watanabe has even the smallest part in its creation.
RonDrakenfan17
11-13-2009, 10:09 PM
Du-oh I guess I was hoping it'd get cannceld before it started. Oh well, hopefully they don't get some crappy actors for the characters. Why don't they get a much more easy series to be made, like Lupin the third?
macattack
11-13-2009, 10:40 PM
I actually have hopes for this film. I wish more people would give it the benefit of the doubt, the people involved seem more honest about adapting Bebop properly than anyone else who's tackled anime-to-live action before them.
Beat
11-13-2009, 11:07 PM
http://www.topnews.in/light/files/Keanu-Reeves.jpg

What else needs to be said at this point?
garfield15
11-13-2009, 11:11 PM
Just saying, I can still see him as Spike....
Jacob T. Paschal
11-13-2009, 11:29 PM
http://www.topnews.in/light/files/Keanu-Reeves.jpg

What else needs to be said at this point?

Let's try to express our opinions with more words and less pictures.



Not that I have an opinion on Reeves' acting ability.
Beat
11-13-2009, 11:38 PM
I just feel like everything that has been said about this project has been said. This is merely a new delivery system for the project, one which comes off like a live action IMAGI, because, they're doing so great financially.

If you want to discuss the new studio, I easily see it taking IMAGI's route of burying itself in red ink by trying to compete with big studios.
macattack
11-13-2009, 11:39 PM
Let's try to express our opinions with more words and less pictures.



Not that I have an opinion on Reeves' acting ability.

Or lack thereof. :p
RonDrakenfan17
11-14-2009, 12:03 AM
Quick, some one make a fake photo of him as SpikeXD
Jacob T. Paschal
11-14-2009, 12:12 AM
Or lack thereof. :p

Y'know, I thought of writing that, but sometimes the 'serious business' hat needs to be put on. ;)


But yeah, I'm not really looking forward to this. But what do I know?
Weatherman
11-14-2009, 03:26 AM
I would think Mr. Reeves has a fair amount of respect for the source material. From all of his statements concerning this project he certainly seems to.
Raidon Makoto
11-14-2009, 12:19 PM
Just saying, I can still see him as Spike....
Same here. Don't know why people think he doesn't have acting ability either. :/
HG Revolution
11-14-2009, 12:53 PM
Same here. Don't know why people think he doesn't have acting ability either. :/

He hasn't really shown any range, but who knows? He was cast as Dr. Jekyll/Mr. Hyde recently and that role is an extreme range of emotions, so maybe he has some hidden untapped talent. Either that or Hollywood casting people really suck.