"Saw VII" Pre-Release Discussion Thread (Spoilers)

[NewcomerDC]

We have a date for the next entry of the Saw series. Honestly people, just put the kibosh on the movies already.
http://www.comingsoon.net/news/movienews.php?id=60849

[Batmex]

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[Beat]

I have to echo the above statement.

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[Startrekman700]

The first three was good. Where the hell else could this franchise go except for....Reboot(Dodges metal shards)

[Mesousa]

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I have to echo the above statement.

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Here's my comment on you two facepalming:

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(sigh) Please, don't turn this into a facepalming thread, okay? There are stupider things to facepalm, and I only did it because you 2 not doing it right, and I'm a fan of the series. Dear Christ. :shrug:

It's obvious I'm the only one happy for this, however, Lions Gate never was this cocky, I mean, shouldn't they have enough money also from their Tyler Perry films?

Lions Gate, please, just stop the series, so that these people can stop hating it for no reason whatsoever?

[The Penguin]

(sigh) Please, don't turn this into a facepalming thread, okay? There are stupider things to facepalm, and I only did it because you 2 not doing it right, and I'm a fan of the series. Dear Christ. :shrug:I agree. If you don't have anything to say, there are plenty of threads on this board for you to post something constructive in.

[Terror of Death]

^Spoken like true haters of the torture porn genre. Don't like it? Then GTFO. :shrug:

Anyway, I'm really excited. Saw V really made me dread future Saw movies since it was the only one I disliked, but VI changed all that. It was my favorite Saw film out of the entire franchise. The Collector, written by the same writers of Saw 4-7 and initially planned as a prequel to the flicks was also extremely good. I know the movie didn't make a lot of money at the box office but I hope it was enough to warrant a sequel. It would be a shame to see it end so soon.

[Shawn Hopkins]

Apparently the world will never be free from this garbage. In the same announcement Lionsgate also promised to keep making Tyler Perry movies forever, even if we cut our own legs off to get them to stop.

[Terror of Death]

Apparently the world will never be free from this garbage. In the same announcement Lionsgate also promised to keep making Tyler Perry movies forever, even if we cut our own legs off to get them to stop.

One man's trash is another man's treasure. Whats garbage too you is quality entertainment for others.

[Shawn Hopkins]

One man's trash is another man's treasure. Whats garbage too you is quality entertainment for others.

I just don't see how people can get off on this Saw stuff. It's depressing to think that there are people who enjoy it. They must be a symptom of some deep societal sickness.

[Plague Rat]

The first three was good. Where the hell else could this franchise go except for....Reboot(Dodges metal shards)
I share this opinion. The first three were excellent for the intriguing mind of Jigsaw and how awfully polite he was for a man eager to test out people's survival skills.

Now that he's dead, there's really nothing else to look forward to. :/

[Terror of Death]

I just don't see how people can get off on this Saw stuff. It's depressing to think that there are people who enjoy it. They must be a symptom of some deep societal sickness.

Well, the story lines are pretty intricate and its nice to see a horror franchise that largely relies on preexisting continuity. As for the violence, I'm not really sure but I guess it’s the shock and taboo factor that makes the torture porn genre so appealing. Seeing stuff you would never otherwise witness in an ordinary movie or TV show satisfies the curiosity and thrills. I cant speak for every Saw fan, but from what I’ve read on forums, the majority of us don’t want anyone to die a slow and painful death in real life. Since its only fiction we can sit back and watch the carnage unfold while leaving our morality at the door.

You don’t have be depraved to enjoy watching violence. Several people watch action and martial arts flicks for the violence but their not accused of being sick individuals. For some their entertained by gun fights, others fisticuffs, and for people like me its gore and torture.

[Hanshotfirst113]

I thought that they had planned to end it after VI?


I just don't see how people can get off on this Saw stuff. It's depressing to think that there are people who enjoy it. They must be a symptom of some deep societal sickness.

I have a well-adjusted friend who enjoys them and he's a normal enough guy. Got a girlfriend, two jobs, lives on his own. He's a horror fan. I've been guilty of saying the same, but really, there may well be people out there who just like the stuff.


Since its only fiction we can sit back and watch the carnage unfold while leaving our morality at the door.

Which could be construed as pretty dangerous, except...


You don’t have be depraved to enjoy watching violence. Several people watch action and martial arts flicks for the violence but their not accused of being sick individuals. For some their entertained by gun fights, others fisticuffs, and for people like me its gore and torture.

Exactly. No one goes and accuses the latest Die Hard film of being "bullet porn." I find the onslaught of torture films rather disturbing, but since my list of favorite films includes numerous violent flicks, I'm probably not in the position to criticize.

[Beat]

To put my disgruntled issues in words is simple.

It's really hard to care when the central figure is dead and has been dead for a few movies. Jigsaw was an interesting villain because of the way he acted, but now that he's dead...well, it loses its luster.

[Robin2099]

I just don't see how people can get off on this Saw stuff. It's depressing to think that there are people who enjoy it. They must be a symptom of some deep societal sickness.

Boy that sounds familiar. Oh wait, people were saying the same thing when Friday the 13th came out 30 years ago. Honestly people like you just wont get it, so it's honestly not worth explaining.


It's really hard to care when the central figure is dead and has been dead for a few movies. Jigsaw was an interesting villain because of the way he acted, but now that he's dead...well, it loses its luster.

Honestly I think it's just as interesting now watching people react to Jigsaws death and carrying on his legacy. The sixth movie did a really good job with that.

[Hanshotfirst113]

Boy that sounds familiar. Oh wait, people were saying the same thing when Friday the 13th came out 30 years ago. Honestly people like you just wont get it, so it's honestly not worth explaining.

Either way, the movie is just awful.

[ThePRPD]

I only saw part 1, 2, and the beginning of part 3.
I have not seen the others yet.

[hobbyfan]

Saw VI wasn't #1 at the box office. Hasn't this stupid franchise already jumped the shark? Why is Lionsgate insisting on continuing with this shiznit?

BTW, Tyler Perry's movies are a better option. I'm actually thinking of renting and/or buying some of the DVDs after learning there are some Christian themes in the Madea series.

[Terror of Death]

Exactly. No one goes and accuses the latest Die Hard film of being "bullet porn."

Because the public and critics are always unjustly biased against things they dislike. A movie is okay if it shows the hero murdering hundreds of goons without hesitation or natural disasters and giant monsters killing thousands of people but as soon as you show a serial killer torturing or murdering a few people its automatically deemed too violent and distasteful. I wipe my butt with their opinions.


It's really hard to care when the central figure is dead and has been dead for a few movies. Jigsaw was an interesting villain because of the way he acted, but now that he's dead...well, it loses its luster.

The films have given more back story and insight into Jigsaws character after his death than when he was alive so there’s nothing lackluster about it.


Either way, the movie is just awful.

Other than being displaying scenes of torture and extreme violence you mind explaining why the films are so awful? I have nothing against people disliking the Saw movies but to say their bottom of the barrel is just plain ignorant. Unless a movie that's has lots of back story, continuity, and multilayered elements is "awful".


Hasn't this stupid franchise already jumped the shark? Why is Lionsgate insisting on continuing with this shiznit?

No, it really hasn't but that's what most critics and anti Saw fans would have you believe.

[Plague Rat]

You don’t have be depraved to enjoy watching violence. Several people watch action and martial arts flicks for the violence but their not accused of being sick individuals. For some their entertained by gun fights, others fisticuffs, and for people like me its gore and torture.
Exactly. I don't consider myself sick and depraved for liking SAW. People just don't like it because they assume that it's just some attempt to earn money off shock value with little effort. But half of those people have never even seen the films!

I don't watch SAW for the violence. Just like I don't watch Superjail for the violence. And don't get me wrong, I love horror and gore, it's chaotic and sick but so fun to test your limits. I watch SAW for the fresh writing it had, the Jigsaw character himself, and the way that it draws you in like even after it ends in a way that you can't really forget about it. It's not like being traumatized... it's more like being excited, pumped and... dare I say, obsessive?

And the movie had a message behind it. It wasn't just made for making a profit off human torture... the movie was saying how we should remember to appreciate life and not to waste it, because that was whom Jigsaw targeted-- those who carelessly tossed away their lives and made no attempt to value it. It's a message that is overlooked by most people, but so are most other messages in movies.

[The Penguin]

I would like to remind everyone that this is a thread for discussion of the upcoming Saw sequel, Saw VII and is not another place to discuss the merits of the Saw franchise as a series or the genre of films it represents. This thread is for news and updates regarding the next film and where the franchise might got after Saw VI (http://forums.toonzone.net/showthread.php?t=237545).

"I don't like Saw, why would they make another one?" and variations on that theme do not constitute useful, on-topic contributions to this thread.

[Hanshotfirst113]

Say, who would be directing? I thought that Bousman didn't have any further interest, nor did the original writers?


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What episode is that from?


Because the public and critics are always unjustly biased against things they dislike. A movie is okay if it shows the hero murdering hundreds of goons without hesitation or natural disasters and giant monsters killing thousands of people but as soon as you show a serial killer torturing or murdering a few people its automatically deemed too violent and distasteful. I wipe my butt with their opinions.

I say that it's a question of perceived artistic merit. You'll notice that there are numerous extremely violent films-Clockwork Orange, The Wild Bunch, GoodFellas, Raging Bull, Oldboy,Taxi Driver, Fight Club, Robocop-that are critically well-regarded. Most people disregard stuff like Friday the 13th simply because they don't think that it's very good. And it's not. At all. Thus, the violence becomes a scapegoat. Not suggesting that that's necessarily fair, but hey, I'd love to know what value The Slumber Party Massacre has.


Other than being displaying scenes of torture and extreme violence you mind explaining why the films are so awful? I have nothing against people disliking the Saw movies but to say they're bottom of the barrel is just plain ignorant. Unless a movie that's has lots of back story, continuity, and multilayered elements is "awful".

I was referring to Friday the 13th. I haven't seen Saw, and I'm not passing judgment on it. But I fail to see any particular value in Friday the 13th, beyond beginning a craze of imitators, almost all of which I have seen are horrible. It's not really shot with any particular flair compared to far better slasher films which at least have some sort of cinematic style-Argento, DePalma-the characters, such as they were, are dull, the shock value is gone, and the movie is just not very good. Saying that it's the first movie to depict violence in such a way? I'm not especially impressed.


No, it really hasn't but that's what most critics and anti-Saw fans would have you believe.

Rotten Tomatoes suggests otherwise.

[Mesousa]

I kinda hope they don't milk on making fun of health care stuff on the next sequel. It made sense on one film, they don't need to carry it beyond, just because critics liked that.

Then again, maybe they'll make fun of cancer next...oh wait...

[Terror of Death]

Say, who would be directing? I thought that Bousman didn't have any further interest, nor did the original writers?

David Hackl who did Saw V is directing and the guys who wrote the last three films are doing the script.


Rotten Tomatoes suggests otherwise.Well, these are the same critics who are calling Paranormal Activity one of the scariest and most suspenseful movies ever. The Tomatoe meter isn't right all of the time and some of the reviewers on there aren't all that credible to begin with.

[Invidente 7]

And the movie had a message behind it. It wasn't just made for making a profit off human torture... the movie was saying how we should remember to appreciate life and not to waste it, because that was whom Jigsaw targeted-- those who carelessly tossed away their lives and made no attempt to value it. It's a message that is overlooked by most people, but so are most other messages in movies.



I fully agree, It's a shame most people overlook Saw's message, in fact in the last movie I did came out strong

With the heartless accountant getting it's just deserves and all, I mean just how are you supposed to judge who's worthy of living and who's not based on an equation?


But I do wonder what Hoffman's role will be in Saw VII? I do know what he did in Saw III was an awful thing but even so he did broke out of the trap and thus, that mades him worthy of redemption



Well, these are the same critics who are calling Paranormal Activity one of the scariest and most suspenseful movies ever. The Tomatoe meter isn't right all of the time and some of the reviewers on there aren't all that credible to begin with.


I too agree, Rotten tomatoes is hardly the ABSOLUTE site to judge a movie's merits, since most of the time their opinions are biased

[Michael24]

At the risk of further derailment, but just wanting to say a couple things . . .


What episode is that from?
Not sure, but I believe only Riker is doing the face palm in that scene and Picard is not. This particular image is merely a Photoshop job merging a face-palming Picard from another episode. :)


Most people disregard stuff like Friday the 13th simply because they don't think that it's very good. And it's not. At all. Thus, the violence becomes a scapegoat. Not suggesting that that's necessarily fair, but hey, I'd love to know what value The Slumber Party Massacre has.

But I fail to see any particular value in Friday the 13th, beyond beginning a craze of imitators, almost all of which I have seen are horrible. It's not really shot with any particular flair compared to far better slasher films which at least have some sort of cinematic style-Argento, DePalma-the characters, such as they were, are dull, the shock value is gone, and the movie is just not very good. Saying that it's the first movie to depict violence in such a way? I'm not especially impressed.
In regards to Friday the 13th and others of its ilk, I've always just viewed them as the cinematic equivalent of campfire horror stories. Not every movie, IMO, needs to have "value" or "artistic merit" in order to be a "good movie." What lacks value for one may have value for another. I certainly don't pretend to act like the Friday the 13th series is some great work of art, but it's not supposed to be, and I just enjoy the films (up until Jason X, at least :p ) as light and fun scary tales to watch in the dark. :)


Rotten Tomatoes suggests otherwise.
I don't know why people put so much stock in RT anyway. If I listened to them, I'd hardly ever see anything I like. :D

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