If You Could Change Any Disney Movie...

[Silace]

Do you have any Disney films that would have altered if you could? If you had the ability, what would you change about the movie? Perhaps you didn't like the songs? Character designs? Ending? Plot? Characterization?

I'll start with my opinion on Mulan

Personally there are a couple of things I would change

First off, I would scrap the scene where Mulan first enters the soldier camp. Personally, I think that if a theme of the movie was that stereotypes of genders was not a good thing, then I think that portraying the male soldiers as dirty and boorish at first sight doesn't help with that. That also includes the spitting scene. I know it's meant to be humerous, but.. I didn't really find it funny.

I would also change the character design of the girls from the song "Bring honour to us all". For some reason I find they come across as more Japanese Geisha - like than Chinese. I dunno, I suppose they just don't ring true to the Chinese movies/dramas that I've come across. Perhaps I'm not looking enough.

I'll say it right now that I'm not a romantic, so if that subplot was taken away, I wouldn't mind it. Not that I hate romance in and of itself, and not that I think that it detracted from whatever feminist message that the writers were trying to send (if they were, I suppose that is another discussion altogether) but I didn't really find the romance.. all that interesting. Perhaps I didn't find Shang himself interesting enough. I suppose what I would do would be to change the group dynamic to something more along the lines of what Susan and the monsters had in Monsters vs Aliens. Personal preference. I would also try to add more Martial arts to it, if I could. I suppose that would be limited by animation, but I would try to have the same level of choreography as most live action Martial arts action sequences have.

Any Disney animated canon is open for discussion. That goes for Pixar as well, if you feel so inclined

[Dr.Pepper]

I think I would have made Atlantis more fantasy rather than sci-fi action. I am not exactly sure how though

I would have not let Home on the Range even leave the drawing board. Same goes for Chicken Little.

[Silverstar]

Hmm, offhand the only thing I can think of is Meet the Robinsons.

I loved the movie, but if I could change anything about it, I'd probably remove all of those extraneous Robinson aunts and uncles from the story, or at least trim down their numbers a tad. Aside from Franny, Lucille, Bud and Cornelius, the others didn't contribute anything to the story, they just flitted past the camera and engaged in some quirky bits of business, and honestly, there were too many Robinsons for Joe and Jane Average Moviegoer to keep track of.

Heck, I've seen the movie 3 times already and I still don't know all of their names.

[Milligan]

The following Disney Channel animations efforts would not get made if I were in control and anyone who even tried to behind my back would be quickly silenced (Terminated from their job, of course), unless rewritten and given more thought than what was given at all:

The Weekenders- This concept had been done to death (and still is today) for it's time. This show and nothing different to offer than that of Recess. Also, the main characters aren't what you'd call a likeable or bright bunch, compared to Recess' characters ( WHICH IS ALL THIS IS A CLONE OF BTW, only less funny and more annoying to sit through)...

The Buzz on Maggie (IT)- DO I EVEN NEED TO FATHOM HOW RUSHED AND GREED DRIVEN THIS IDEA WAS?!! NO...
All this show is is the stingy man's EEnE with no likeable characters, too many moments of disgust and mental damage to the viewer, and come on... INSECTS WITH TEEN ANGST?!
INSECTS WHO ACT OVERLY LIKE CONSERVATIVE SNOBS??!!
WHAT A LOAD.

Teamo Supremo- If anyone- Heck, if my kids showed me the designs and animations for this disaster, they'd be fired and humiliated on the spot!!

Dave The Barbarian- Whoever came up with this has no clue how to write an action/comedy script properly and needs to go back to school before they think they could get away with this child-insulting garbage.

Brandy & Mr. Whiskers- It's almost up there with IT. Nuff' said!! Annoying characters, cliche ideals that EEnE did and did right... Need I go on???

Doug-Why would anyone think of remaking what was good to begin with? Some classics should just stay that. CLASSICS- as in something to learn from.

The Proud Family- It's just another, annoying teen angst that should have been given more thought than it was... It's stereotypes of both black peoiple/ parents in general are just shameful, pathetic, and dreadful IMHO. NO DEAL- DO NOT WANT.
Sad, too- I can't believe I watched this show... I'm regretting it,now.

I know taking risks is necessary to stay creative and innovative in an industry like animation, but that doesn't mean you should if it doesn't work and comes off as stupid at the end of the day.

As for films, can't think of any changes I'd make here- except making sure no sequels get made for movies that already concluded themselves properly. That kind of thinking that every movie needs a sequel is just not smart.

[TheGunheart]

I'd have Robin Hood use its original ending and new animation throughout. It really sucked how Maid Marian dissapears two-thirds of the way through the film, and actually stops speaking altogether half-way through. She was arguably one of the most charming and adorable designs in all of Disney to me.

The alternate ending has Robin injured and taken to the church to recover. Prince John, looking surprisingly menacing in a black cloak, sneaks in to finish the job. He finds Marian watching over him, and plans to kill them both. Then King Richard storms in, verbally beats down Prince John for reducing his land to a ghost town and burning down his castle. End with an extended wedding scene.

It just feels more...complete that way.

BTW, you might want to change the thread title to something like "If you could change any Disney movie..." or something. It sounds like the thread is about Disney actually making changes to its movies.

Also...I'd change Marian's design slightly to have her wear sandals. What can I say? Animal paws are cute.

[Neo Yi]

I would also change the character design of the girls from the song "Bring honour to us all". For some reason I find they come across as more Japanese Geisha - like than Chinese. I dunno, I suppose they just don't ring true to the Chinese movies/dramas that I've come across. Perhaps I'm not looking enough.

To be fair, the directors were fully aware that their opening number wasn't what the Chinese did in terms of matchmaking. They only did so because it was the most effective way to run their story. An earlier opening of Mulan had them stick more closely to how matchmaking worked during that time period.

They were aware, they just embellished/altered it. Though whether you consider that an excuse or not is entirely up to you.

[Silace]

BTW, you might want to change the thread title to something like "If you could change any Disney movie..." or something. It sounds like the thread is about Disney actually making changes to its movies.

Yeah, that was what I was afraid of, I just at the time couldn't think of a better way to phrase it

Unfortunately I can't seem to edit the title. Is it one of those things that only Mods can do? If so, if one of them can change the title for me, I'll be very grateful.



To be fair, the directors were fully aware that their opening number wasn't what the Chinese did in terms of matchmaking. They only did so because it was the most effective way to run their story. An earlier opening of Mulan had them stick more closely to how matchmaking worked during that time period.
Is that so? That's very interesting. I'm guessing that this was on the commentary right? (I never got the DVD) No wonder the scene didn't feel right to me, but at least they were aware (I think the changes in the Beauty and the Beast storyline were acknowledged as well) . Is the alternate opening simply mentioned in the commentary or is it present as well like Sleeping Beauty?

[Neo Yi]

Is that so? That's very interesting. I'm guessing that this was on the commentary right? (I never got the DVD) No wonder the scene didn't feel right to me, but at least they were aware (I think the changes in the Beauty and the Beast storyline were acknowledged as well) . Is the alternate opening simply mentioned in the commentary or is it present as well like Sleeping Beauty?

They did mention in the commentary on why they went with that matchmaking story angle. The alternate one I mentioned is in the DVD alongside many other proposed alternate intros they didn't go for (all very different from the original, so it was an interesting watch).

[Tobias]

The Jungle Book 2: Never even leaves the drawing board, and the script if burned and sent back to hell where it belongs. In it's place, and released theatrically... THE TALESPIN MOVIE. I know new VAs would have had to be found for Baloo and Kit, but I'd rather this film had been made instead of the evil that was JB2.

[Ed Liu]

Unfortunately I can't seem to edit the title. Is it one of those things that only Mods can do? If so, if one of them can change the title for me, I'll be very grateful.

Done. If you need to do this again, there should be a menu at the top called "Thread Tools" where you can pick "Edit Thread." You should be able to change the title from there.

[Monterey Jack]

I'd remove all of the insipid songs from Mulan and play it as a straight drama, instead of forcing it to be a musical.

[Radical Raven]

Now this is an interesting thread.

The Black Cauldron: I would have made the movie about half an hour longer, so that the characterizations of the five main characters would have been more complete.

The Jungle Book: I would include, somehow-someway, the evil wild dogs from the book. That was awesome...

Fantasia/Fantasia 200: This might not count, but, I would do what Walt originally planned to do and make this a film series, with fresh animated sequences from a variety talented animators (Sporn, Plympton, Bluth, Bakshi, everybody's invited!), released every five years. (Pipe-Dream, I know...)

[Looneytunes]

The Little Mermaid: This is not a big deal, but I was very displeased with Ariel's personality. Her personality is much better in the cartoon series, she does not seem as into herself and is much more grateful towards her family and friends, so I would have put her personality in the classic film, and put her movie personality into the cartoon series, that is if they had to do a switch.

I would have also put in a back-story with Ursula and her former position as being a member of the royal court. I would have also given more information about Eric (and) Ariel. I mean, we do not get to see anything of Ariel's mother until the second sequel. What is up with that?

Alice in Wonderland: I would have put in "Through the Looking Glass" references, as well. I would have made the Queen of Hearts a much more respectable character (as she is in the other versions). I might have also made the King of Hearts as tall as the Queen of Hearts is, but it is just a pet peeve.

Pocahontas: I would have altered the personalities characters, especially of Governor Ratcliffe, he seems too weak to me to be a true villain. I also want to add that the personalities of the characters somewhat ruined the movie for me. They made the movie a Disney full-length animated feature than a film based on a honorable story.

Snow White and the Seven Dwarfs: I would have done more with the prince, he is rarely mentioned, the only times he is mentioned are the ending when he kisses Snow White to awaken her from eternal slumber, and when the two first meet. The rejected scenes also seem too curious to me to ignore.

Mickey's House of Villains: I would have done a lot with this short film(?). I would have done more with the villains. I would have hooked them up with each other, there could have been much interesting things they could have done together. I would have had as much villains as needed to take over the jobs of Mickey and his friends have (instead of just Jafar taking over Mickey's job or the Big Bad Wolf taking over Horace Horsecollar's job). I would have put in more DVD extras.

I would have also changed the House of Mouse, but that one is more of a wish for new episodes than an actual change.

One Hundred and one Dalmatians: I would have kept Cruella De Vil's husband and cat. They are originally from the book, but not much is known about them. I wish Disney also changed Cruella De Vil, she seems somewhat weak (not respectful enough) of a villain to me; the same applies to Madame Medusa from the Rescuers.

Fantasia 2000: I would have made this film, much, uh, better? It could have had much potentiality, but thanks to the recent Disney workers, it failed.

Mickey Mouse's personality: This is not a change to a certain film or television show, but I wish the personality of Mickey Mouse never altered. He seemed much more enjoyable and respectable as a brute (very Bugs like) than as a goody-goody perfected character.

Who Framed Roger Rabbit: I would have put in more character interactions, maybe hook up Mickey with Daffy, and Bugs with Donald, just to see how the audience would respond., but that is just the beginning. It also seems that we do not know much about Roger, Jessica, Benny, and Baby Herman, we just happen to see them in a story; we need more background info about them than given.

Snow White and the Seven Dwarfs; Cinderella; and Sleeping Beauty: I would have given the princesses (and other characters) more history. It bothers me very much that we do not get to see much of who they are, but instead we get to see them put in bad situations (trying to counteract the villains, etc.).

Pinocchio: I would have put in some resolution with the donkey boys, seriously. I know there is no resolution from the book, but come on, it is a classic for children.

The Brave Little Toaster: I know this is not originally a Disney film, but since Disney took it over, I will mention this. I love this film, but I wish the film was entirely identical to the book. Yes, I am well aware of the book being much darker, but I seriously do not think that would matter, since the book (and) film are both classics.

Aladdin: I wish we saw Aladdin's mother. She would not have had to be a major character, but it would not have hurt to see her.

Hercules: I would have put in more characters from mythology, plain and simple.

There are probably many more, but these are the only ones I can think of right now.

Looneytunes/Disneytoons

[Lonestarr]

The Black Cauldron is on DisneyXD right now. Good animation, fine effects animation and voice work, one of Elmer Bernstein's best scores...and yet, it feels incomplete. I've never read "The Chronicles of Prydain", but it felt like the script needed a few more passes to make everything hang together in terms of story and characterization. Not a bad movie, but a disappointing one.

And "The Weekenders" and "Dave the Barbarian" are two of Disney's funniest and most underappreciated cartoons. I can't believe that someone stooped to mentioning them.

[HG Revolution]

Hunchback: Replace the gargoyles with the original idea of having the whole cathedral talking to Quasi and end the film with him carrying Esmarelda's body, removing the phoned-in happy ending
Mulan: Change the ending; it doesn't exactly need to be a tragic one like some versions of the story have been, but do away with the forced returning-to-a-normal-life-and-marrying-the-captain thing
Pocahontas: The whole freaking movie; who in their right mind thought it was a good idea to turn a history of genocide into a kid-friendly Disney movie where everyone learns a lesson?

[judyindisguise]

I'd change Jane from the Tarzan movie. She's my least favorite Disney heroine because, although she's supposed to be funny, she isn't. She's also a pain in the butt. And the ending of the movie was a little too pat. Not at all satisfying IMO.

And I'd change Mushu from Mulan completely. I'd dump Eddie Murphy and have Jackie Chan do his voice, plus make him far more Oriental in character. While the Genie in Aladdin did impressions and used idioms from multiple centuries, that was logical because he's an eternal creature to whom time means nothing. But Mushu was stuck in a single family temple in China with no reason or means to go anywhere else; so it made NO sense for him to talk like verbose black comedian. And his personality was irritating. I'd have him push Mulan to become a hero not for his own gain but as a means to rescue the family honor. "Saving face" was everything in ancient China. I'd have made him a very provincial dragon, And then, after seeing what the effort is doing to Mulan, he'd soften and start to broaden his views. He'd be an echo of the Chinese character itself. And then his enlightenment could extend to the Chinese Emperor, who pardons and honors Mulan (even though she's a woman) for saving China. The whole film would have been more satisfying IMO.

[ToonFaithful]

Yeah, when I think about it, I'd replace Eddie also. Mulan was a great movie but it needs more drama instead of a musical.

[Blackstar]

The Little Mermaid: This is not a big deal, but I was very displeased with Ariel's personality. Her personality is much better in the cartoon series, she does not seem as into herself and is much more grateful towards her family and friends, so I would have put her personality in the classic film, and put her movie personality into the cartoon series, that is if they had to do a switch.

I would have also put in a back-story with Ursula and her former position as being a member of the royal court. I would have also given more information about Eric (and) Ariel. I mean, we do not get to see anything of Ariel's mother until the second sequel. What is up with that?

I don't believe that Disney ever intended to depict Ariel's mother initially, back when Disney's The Little Mermaid was just a one-shot movie. My guess is that after TLM became a series and a merchandising franchise, fans began asking about Ariel's mother and requesting to Disney that she be shown or depicted in some capacity, hence her finally being seen the flashback of the latest Little Mermaid video. Of course, my solution to this would have been to not kill Ariel's mom off in the 1st place (It's not as if Ariel's mother's death was necessary for the plot of the film. The story could have just as easily been told with both of her parents being alive), but then I always say that. Disney seems to have some kind of weird obsession with motherless princesses/heroines that I've noticed for years. Princess Jasmine (Aladdin) and Belle (Beauty and the Beast) don't have mothers either. Neither does Hanna Montana, for that matter.


Aladdin: I wish we saw Aladdin's mother. She would not have had to be a major character, but it would not have hurt to see her.Yeah, it's a shame that Aladdin's mom was cut out of the film. It's especially jarring seeing as how a couple of years later, Disney released a DTV sequel in which Aladdin discovers that his father is still alive and reunites with him, which only further supports my theory that Disney has an aversion to mothers. Aladdin's mother was even going to perform an original song, "Proud of Your Boy", which ended up as a DVD extra being performed by...Clay Aiken.:eek:


Mickey Mouse's personality: This is not a change to a certain film or television show, but I wish the personality of Mickey Mouse never altered. He seemed much more enjoyable and respectable as a brute (very Bugs like) than as a goody-goody perfected character.I agree with this also. Mickey started out as a mischief maker, and I think that he should have stayed that way. If Mickey had remained a wise cracking smart alec and not been transformed into a super virtuous all around nice guy institution, then the Disney studio wouldn't be so limited with what they could do with the character now.

[Fool's Gil]

For me, I'd change it to where sequels are a VERY rare occurance. I'd lock all the current sequels in the vault except:

Both Aladdan sequels.
The first Lion King sequel.
All Sequels done by Pixar.

[OriginalGagBonke]

I got a pretty big list but here it goes nothing.....*Cracks hands*


Who Framed Roger Rabbit- I mean I like the idea of it and all but however the film itself is missing a few characters that didnt appear in the movie. I wouldve added Oswald the lucky rabbit having an arguement with Mickey Mouse, Get Tom and Jerry to appear either almost at the end where all the toons are{Or get that scene that was cut out from the script where Acme's Furneral wouldve had the characters appeared.}, And get the Tex Avery wolf in. He shouldve been going nuts over Jessica's act!



Bolt- Get Sanders back on the movie and do it how he originally wanted it, an easily knock-off of Toy Story doesnt cut it for me. Bolt to me doesnt count as "Disney's original" ideas.{Smooth move John Lassiter. Bolt is the reason why I hold my grudge at you.}



Lion King- Drop the idea and to do something else. I'm not saying this because it looks like a Kimba rip-off...Im saying this so Disney didnt have to deal with a huge Controversy of the film.



Hunchback- Make the movie more to book then a children's musical. And make it Disney's first PG13 animated movie, or better yet R rated :evil:.





This may be a little off subject but are there any pictures of the cuts of Aladdin's mother?{Like storyboards or anything for that matter?} I am curious to see those.

[Light Lucario]

Pinocchio: This was a nice film, but I also would have given some closure to the boys who turned into donkeys. That was a pretty dark point in the movie and to leave all of those kids to suffer was kind of harsh.

I also would make Pinocchio's development clearer/more visible to the audience. He acts totally innocent for most of the movie and then because of his actions for getting his family out of the whale, he becomes a real boy. It's just that when I saw the movie, the way Pinocchio does become a real boy just felt rushed in and abrupt, especially considering his behavior throughout most of the movie.

Pocahontas: While I do find this to be an enjoyable movie, I don't think that it was such a great idea to turn such a horrible story into a family friendly film. I would have at least let the audience know, either at the beginning or before the credits started, that the movie was only based on the actual event and to go to a library to learn about the history of Pocahontas. They has something like that in the credits for the sequel, which I still think they've should have done in the first movie.

[jph139]

Both Aladdan sequels.

Honestly, I'd like to see the Aladdin sequels REALLY scaled up, because they were that great. Lengthen Return of Jafar a bit, up the animation on both, release 'em theatrically... honestly, King of Thieves would be better than the original with a few minor improvements, and animation is chief among them.

[Mad Mod 49]

I'd change Jane from the Tarzan movie. She's my least favorite Disney heroine because, although she's supposed to be funny, she isn't. She's also a pain in the butt.


Whether or not Jane was funny is debatable, but at least she tried. Which is more than I can say about her portrayal in The "Legend of Tarzan" TV show. :yawn:



Pinocchio: This was a nice film, but I also would have given some closure to the boys who turned into donkeys. That was a pretty dark point in the movie and to leave all of those kids to suffer was kind of harsh.



I wish they could've cut down on Pinnochio's underwater exploration before Monstro and kept in Foulfellow and Gideon getting arrested like they originally planned. Showing Pinnochio not being fooled by them a third time would make the story much more satisfiying, IMO.

[Shawn Hopkins]

I'd redesign Pocohontas to remove some spiritual mumbo jumbo that, while well-intentioned, comes off as a little racist. I'd also redesign the main character to look less like a Barbie doll and more like what she actually did look like and change the story to something closer to the real story, told from Pocohontas perspective. I know it would still need a positive Disney spin, but the real story is a good story, they should have used as much as possible of it instead of just making so much up. There's no reason people can't learn a little bit, too.

[BrendaBat]

Atlantis
Fill up the plot holes! Mainly the biggest one: Why is it that the Atlantians could speak English, French, and God knows how many other languages in addition to their native tongue; but they couldn't read their own written language? This weird plot hole totally took me out of the movie. It just doesn't make sense! We know that Kida and her father were alive before Atlantis fell. So they should remember the written language and culture. And if the people can't even read their own language, how could they study and become fluent in other languages when there were no French/English natives around to teach them!? AARG!

Atlantis had so much potential to be awesome and it blew it. It still has its good points. But the scene were Kida tells Milo that she can't drive the magic Atlantian motorcycles because she can't read the instructions drives me nuts!


And this isn't a movie per se, but I wish they would replace the current Sleeping Beauty voice actress with someone who at least sounds vaguely close to Mary Costa! I saw the new Princess DVD when I was visiting with some young cousins and her new "generic chirpy Barbie voice" is HORRIBLE! Why didn't Disney even try to find a sound alike? Do they think that little girls will reject Aurora if her voice isn't as high as their voices are? :confused:

[Michael JJ]

I'd have The Jungle Book changed to be more like the actual book. You know, Kaa as a good guy, the monkeys as anarchiac creatures, Mowgli actually doing something. Baloo could be the same though.

[Gorbash]

I wish they could've cut down on Pinnochio's underwater exploration before Monstro and kept in Foulfellow and Gideon getting arrested like they originally planned. Showing Pinnochio not being fooled by them a third time would make the story much more satisfiying, IMO.

I guess I'm just nitpicking but, wasn't Pinocchio dragged the second time around? And I'm sure Gideon had a mallet waiting if he said no.
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I guess if there's anything I can change in a Disney movie then, I would make Black Cauldron longer.

Get rid of the Gargoyles in Hunchback of Notre Dame, or at least make them more serious.

Also, the Fantasia sequels are something that should have existed. Oh and Fantasia 2000 shouldn't have been so stereotypical. Those shorts were good vs evil like every Disney movie instead of just being art. Ok, Firebird worked because it was about revival.

[Mad Mod 49]

I guess I'm just nitpicking but, wasn't Pinocchio dragged the second time around? And I'm sure Gideon had a mallet waiting if he said no.


In any case, it would have given John and Gideon their comeuppances. I mean, Stromboli and the demon coachman are still out there, and Monstro's fate is ambigious (he dove toward the shore, there was a big splash, and he's suddenly gone.) The only one who payed for his crimes was Lampwick, and that was portrayed as frightening and sad. I'm not saying all villains need defeat, but at least ONE set of villains getting what they deserve in this film would be nice.

[JD08]

The Proud Family- It's just another, annoying teen angst that should have been given more thought than it was... It's stereotypes of both black peoiple/ parents in general are just shameful, pathetic, and dreadful IMHO. NO DEAL- DO NOT WANT.
Sad, too- I can't believe I watched this show... I'm regretting it,now.
Why does everyone throw this show out if you failed to realize this is how most black people acted that's why it was such a success. It's no different from upn shows and it's not even offensive if your talking about the language because that's all I can think of that you'd find offensive it's just the same as white people saying Gee whiz or that's smart.

The Weekenders- This concept had been done to death (and still is today) for it's time. This show and nothing different to offer than that of Recess. Also, the main characters aren't what you'd call a likeable or bright bunch, compared to Recess' characters ( WHICH IS ALL THIS IS A CLONE OF BTW, only less funny and more annoying to sit through)...
Weekenders was one of the best disney cartoons in a long time it's the only one that I could stand to watch it also taught better lessons outside of school most that Recess failed to do although, Recess is a fine show in it's on right.

But for my change to a Disney Movie would have to be Meet the robinson. I love the family message but they didn't play on it that much and they really didn't focus on the family in the past. I guess it was kind of like a guessing game for adults because kids probably wouldn't remember that much with all the crazy things going on.

[Blackstar]

Why does everyone throw this show (The Proud Family) out if you failed to realize this is how most black people acted that's why it was such a success. It's no different from upn shows and it's not even offensive if your talking about the language because that's all I can think of that you'd find offensive it's just the same as white people saying Gee whiz or that's smart.

Ironically, I think that The Proud Family's overuse of urban slang may have been one of the things that led to it's (relatively) early demise. Only blacks (who only make up about 16% of the U.S. population) could really get into it, and many African-Americans don't speak that way to boot. It tried to be a little too "black" at times and that just alienated the rest of the audience, as opposed to another Disney Channel series, That's So Raven, which had a mostly African-American cast, but it's humor was on a more universal level. You didn't have to be black in order to enjoy it. Ideally, you should want to attract everyone, not just one specific race, age or social group.

Myself, I never particularly cared for The Proud Family, although my indifference toward the series had nothing whatsoever to with race; I was in no way offended by TPF, I just didn't find the show to be all that funny and I quickly grew tired of the non-stop Oscar bashing. it just struck me as being mean-spirited.

[JD08]

Myself, I never particularly cared for The Proud Family, although my indifference toward the series had nothing whatsoever to with race; I was in no way offended by TPF, I just didn't find the show to be all that funny and I quickly grew tired of the non-stop Oscar bashing. it just struck me as being mean-spirited.
I understand what you mean I really didn't care for the Oscar bashing it just seemed like a cheap go to joke but I still liked it.

[Light Lucario]

I wish they could've cut down on Pinnochio's underwater exploration before Monstro and kept in Foulfellow and Gideon getting arrested like they originally planned. Showing Pinnochio not being fooled by them a third time would make the story much more satisfiying, IMO.

That's a good point. I thought that the underwater exploration dragged on a bit. I would have preferred Foulfellow and Gideon getting arrested too. As you mentioned, only Lampwick paid for his crimes while the other villains pretty much got away with it. Pinnochio not being fooled by them yet again also would have made his sudden change in character when they were fighting to get out of Monstro more believable and less rushed.

I also thought about Mulan. I really like this movie and I think that it's a fun movie. However, I would have made it a bit longer. Every time I've seen it, I felt like it goes too fast and that they could have added some more to the story. Maybe developing more of Mulan's home life a bit more than they did before she goes off to the army.

Making the film more serious would have been a nice change too. Although, I didn't mind that they turned it into a musical, but that's mostly because I love "Reflection." I didn't care too much about the other songs though.

[ShadowBlinky]

Sword in the Stone--I know I've said this before, but I probably would have had Wart slap or scream at that pesky girl squirrel. Or just omit her altogether. Then again her presence teaches a valuable lesson (get to know your potential mate) and adds a sense of tragedy. Of course, it was going to end in tragedy no matter what.:shrug:

I'm serious, guys, I don't think I've ever been so conflicted about a Disney character. She's cute, yet annoying. I feel sorry for her, yet I don't feel sorry for her. Can anyone understand?:confused:

[Hordesman]

What went wrong with Atlantis: http://jimhillmedia.com/blogs/jim_hill/archive/2003/08/11/165.aspx
Such a shame because the original take sounds awesome.


Hmm, offhand the only thing I can think of is Meet the Robinsons. I loved the movie, but if I could change anything about it, I'd probably remove all of those extraneous Robinson aunts and uncles from the story, or at least trim down their numbers a tad.

It's a cast size better suited for a series. That said, I think the unwieldy nature of the family was the point- that they just pick up people and pets all the time, as long as it doesn't ruin the space-time continuum.

[judyindisguise]

I'd have The Jungle Book changed to be more like the actual book. You know, Kaa as a good guy, the monkeys as anarchiac creatures, Mowgli actually doing something. Baloo could be the same though.

I feel the same. Reportedly Bill Peet, a Disney writer, originally scripted the movie in such a way that it was much closer to the book in tone. Walt found it too dark, and the two men argued about it and when he lost the argument, Peet quit. Walt decided to make the movie much more comedic...and I'm still conflicted about how I feel about that. The movie has a lot of things to commend it...but sometimes it's just a bit too corny. Could have been worse, though; Walt had the wisdom to cut out a rhino character modeled after the then-popular comedian "Crazy" Guggenheim. I've seen tapes of him, and that voice...arrrghh...it sounded drunken and like the guy had a serious sinus condition...man...had the rhino been kept in, it could have made The Jungle Book the most hated Disney film ever! :p

[DjJuice5]

Ironically, I think that The Proud Family's overuse of urban slang may have been one of the things that led to it's (relatively) early demise. Only blacks (who only make up about 16% of the U.S. population) could really get into it, and many African-Americans don't speak that way to boot. It tried to be a little too "black" at times and that just alienated the rest of the audience, as opposed to another Disney Channel series, That's So Raven, which had a mostly African-American cast, but it's humor was on a more universal level. You didn't have to be black in order to enjoy it. Ideally, you should want to attract everyone, not just one specific race, age or social group.

Myself, I never particularly cared for The Proud Family, although my indifference toward the series had nothing whatsoever to with race; I was in no way offended by TPF, I just didn't find the show to be all that funny and I quickly grew tired of the non-stop Oscar bashing. it just struck me as being mean-spirited.

I wouldn't say it had a quick ending. The show had 53 episodes and a movie under it's belt, it pretty much ran it's course. I do agree with you on the overuse of slang and only appealing to one group. Really though, isn't that what Disney Channel is pretty much doing now, pandering to teenyboppers in Suburbia? At least Nickelodeon is a channel that still appeals to everyone, regardless of social group. I never thought of The Proud Family has a bad show by any means, i actually enjoyed it during it's run and they were shows far worse during that time. Buzz on Maggie anyone?. It just could've been a little better, and the constant Oscar bashing did quickly become tedious.

[Brandon Pierce]

Oliver & Company: I always thought Sykes was a very under-developed villain, and possibly has the least amount of screen time and lines of all the Disney villains (well, after Sher Khan in "The Jungle Book", but with that, they kept him off-screen to build suspense). Sykes doesn't really become active until the last 10 minutes of the film.

The Geat Mouse Detective: I LOVE this movie, but I do agree with Ron Clemens and John Musker on one issue: The title should be changed back to "Basil of Baker Street."

The Fox and the Hound: Never liked that the bear at the end seemed to be killed off. At least show him swimming away, injured maybe, but did they need to imply that the bear had died? The bear was actually somewhat innocent. Amos Slade is in its territory, so naturally the bear is going to attack.

Brother Bear: Kenai's personality from a self-centered prick, to a more understanding individual is too quick IMO. I think Kenai's "transformation" should have been more gradual, and not as rushed as it is in the final film.

The Little Mermaid: When Ariel is first transformed into a human, I think the "naked on the beach" thing should have lasted a minute longer. :evil:

[Michael JJ]

I feel the same. Reportedly Bill Peet, a Disney writer, originally scripted the movie in such a way that it was much closer to the book in tone. Walt found it too dark, and the two men argued about it and when he lost the argument, Peet quit. Walt decided to make the movie much more comedic...and I'm still conflicted about how I feel about that. The movie has a lot of things to commend it...but sometimes it's just a bit too corny. Could have been worse, though; Walt had the wisdom to cut out a rhino character modeled after the then-popular comedian "Crazy" Guggenheim. I've seen tapes of him, and that voice...arrrghh...it sounded drunken and like the guy had a serious sinus condition...man...had the rhino been kept in, it could have made The Jungle Book the most hated Disney film ever! :p

I heard about that. It's not that I think something's better if it's darker, I just read the book and liked it better. The Jungle Book movie was by no means bad, in fact I rather like it, but turning the main character into a plot device so Baloo and Bageera have an excuse to do stuff is pretty lame.

I also heard the vultures were supposed to have a rock song, which is why they were modeled after the Beetles, but Walt had it changed to a barbershop quartet number because-get this-he thought it would age better. If I had to keep the lighter story, I'd at least change that.

[AdamYJ]

I know it would be hard to do, but I kind of wish they had been able to keep "Proud of Your Boy" in Aladdin.

[Gorbash]

I know it would be hard to do, but I kind of wish they had been able to keep "Proud of Your Boy" in Aladdin.

Maybe they could have had a shot of him visiting a grave, that could have helped. It would be twice as emotional (IMO) if that was how the scene existed.

[Blackstar]

...Or Disney could have just kept Aladdin's mom in the film. What harm could that have done?

[Gorbash]

...Or Disney could have just kept Aladdin's mom in the film. What harm could that have done?

I don't know, but for some reason Disney thought that it overcomplicated the movie.

[judyindisguise]

...Or Disney could have just kept Aladdin's mom in the film. What harm could that have done?

The "extras" disc in the Aladdin DVD set explains why the mom had to go. To summarize: Aladdin's focus on pleasing his mom detracted from his efforts to please the princess. Certain scenes featuring the mom are included in that disc, and I think it illustrates why the mom was distracting and superfluous. I think the writers made the right decision.

[Brandon Pierce]

Maybe they could have had a shot of him visiting a grave, that could have helped. It would be twice as emotional (IMO) if that was how the scene existed.
The DVD trivia track states that this idea was considered, but dropped as well.

[AdamYJ]

The "extras" disc in the Aladdin DVD set explains why the mom had to go. To summarize: Aladdin's focus on pleasing his mom detracted from his efforts to please the princess. Certain scenes featuring the mom are included in that disc, and I think it illustrates why the mom was distracting and superfluous. I think the writers made the right decision.

So, basically, the love story took over. I kind of wish Aladdin's mother had been left in because it would have made the movie just a little bit more like the original story of "Aladdin and the Wonderful Lamp". Also, it might have defused Disney's seeming problem with mothers (look how many single fathers there are in those movies).

[Gorbash]

The DVD trivia track states that this idea was considered, but dropped as well.

OH come on!

[jph139]

...Or Disney could have just kept Aladdin's mom in the film. What harm could that have done?

I can't picture it. Aladdin is too, I dunno, free a spirit, I suppose, to have a mother - throughout the film he's running around, stealing food, going on adventures. Where's his mother in all of this? I can't picture a fully-grown woman running around grabbing apples from food stands and not getting caught.

And when Aladdin gets his wishes, he'll seem that much more selfish. Why is he wishing to be a prince when he has a mother to support? Why is he spending so much time with the princess? How is his mother getting support? If she has a job, Aladdin is far less sympathetic for robbing people. If she isn't, he's saddled with an unnecessary load.

Now, for the start of the film, that's all well and good - he becomes MORE sympathetic because he's helping a sweet woman. But after the first act, once he meets the princess, where does she go? Aladdin ends up in prison, goes and gets the lamp, becomes a prince, goes to the palace to romance Jasmine, fights Jafar, so on, so forth. You just can't fit a mother in there. Would she help break him out of prison? Would she be brought along to the palace?

Of course, if you completely changed the plot you could probably squeeze her in - but I think it would harm the story as a whole. It removes the Genie's main role as a foster parent of sorts to Aladdin, which is among his only non-comic relief posts. There's no need for a mother in the film. She's an extra piece, and between the hero, the heroine, the villain, the comic relief villain's sidekick, the comic relief mystical element, the dottering old man, the cute monkey, the magic carpet, the chief guard, the peddler... it's definitely a crowded movie. She simply has to be dead or otherwise indisposed with the film as is.

[Blackstar]

Yeah, you're probably right. It just would have been a nice change of pace to have a protagonist in a Disney feature who has a mother instead a single father for once. :shrug:

[AdamYJ]

Yeah, you're probably right. It just would have been a nice change of pace to have a protagonist in a Disney feature who has a mother instead a single father for once. :shrug:

At least Treasure Planet managed it.

Also, since Disney seems to have so much pull on people's consciousness in terms of how people think of these stories, it would have been nice to have the movie just a teeny, tiny bit more like the original story. Aladdin did have a mother in the original. The movie also removed the genie of the ring, combined two antagonists into one to create Jafar and judiciously removed some stuff that wasn't fit for family audiences. However, I would have settled for keeping the mother.

[catlove390]

...and what about Mrs. Darling in Peter Pan?

Cat

[J. B. Warner]

I can't believe it's all these years later, and people are still complaining that certain Disney movies aren't exactly the same as the books they're based on. You just kind of have to accept the fact that any Disney adaptation is going to be a loose one.

[Blackstar]

...and what about Mrs. Darling in Peter Pan?

What about her? No one is suggesting that all of Disney's heroines are without mothers. Sleeping Beauty and Mulan are both exceptions to this, but if one follows the studio's history over the years, one can't deny that the Mouse House has relied on the "heroine and her single/widowed father" motif quite a number of times. Examples:

Ariel (The Little Mermaid)
Aladdin (Aladdin)
Jasmine (Aladdin)
Belle (Beauty and the Beast)
Jane (Disney's Tarzan)

This has even found it's way onto Disney's TV shows. See Princess Calla (from Gummi Bears), and more recently, Hanna Montana.

[AlgeaX]

Atlantis: The Lost Empire would have gotten the TV series it was supposed to, complete with guest appearance by Demona and the Hunter.

[Brandon Pierce]

What about her? No one is suggesting that all of Disney's heroines are without mothers. Sleeping Beauty and Mulan are both exceptions to this, but if one follows the studio's history over the years, one can't deny that the Mouse House has relied on the "heroine and her single/widowed father" motif quite a number of times. Examples:

Ariel (The Little Mermaid)
Aladdin (Aladdin)
Jasmine (Aladdin)
Belle (Beauty and the Beast)
Jane (Disney's Tarzan)

This has even found it's way onto Disney's TV shows. See Princess Calla (from Gummi Bears), and more recently, Hanna Montana.
http://www.snopes.com/disney/waltdisn/mother.asp

[DisneyBoy]

Great ideas so far people.

Atlantis had such potential to be interesting, but in trying to make it realistic, they kinda squashed that. I would have loved to see a broader range of colors, and (surprisingly) no designs from Mr Hellboy. I really think those sharp edges just made the movie less accessible and more "we're trying to be edgy, but we're Disney so no, we won't go anywhere really dark". I liked them, the industrial edge in particular, but it just reminded me of Timm's designs a bit, and the comparison wasn't helping the film have it's own identity. I also didn't care for the smoking and somewhat foul language - I didn't need to have songs in the movie, but the music did have to be stronger to make up for it. There's very little about that film that was memorable for me, except Leonard Nemoy as the chief, and that shot of the girl walking on water and being possessed. So, more colors, stronger music, softer designs, more fantasy in the presentation, more emotional connections between the characters, especially the romantic leads.

Mulan was a film that really, really could have benefitted from a sharper aesthetic. Going more into the style of the Chinese art of the time, maybe having the film resemble more the scratchy style of the poster of Mulan on her horse - that would have been interesting. A darker film visually, but still with the softer emotional material. The stuff with her and her Dad was great, specifically. I didn't mind the love story, but again...it wasn't helping her seem different from the other heroines. DEFINITELY lose the cricket and the "wannabe genie" Edie Murphy, who brought little to the movie. Just make it a darker story about a girl on a mission to protect her father in a dangerous time, but still with the songs. "Relfection" and "Bring Honor to Us All" were nice, I found. I wouldn't have minded "be a man", if afterwards, they'd shown those macho stereotypes to be as ill-fitting as the female ones (and no, putting the men in drag didn't make that point). If there could be but ONE change in the movie though - it would be to keep the original music from the trailer during the sequence where Mulan steals her dad's armor. That music was intense!

I wouldn't even have made Treasure Planet.

I would have kept "If I never knew you" in Pocahontas. Thank goodness the DVD restored that song.

Black Cauldron...is one I would have preferred to see a few changes made in. The film was dark, with weird music and earth visuals. I liked all that, but the cute little fairies kinda clashed with the blood and the pig killing and all that. If they'd kept a few more Burton designs (I'm sure he came up with interesting stuff that was discarded), and established early on that the world was one of beauty overthrown by vile darkness..then the clash would have worked. Instead, it looks like a nothing special world with really dark parts and strangely pretty ones. Context was missing. In making the Horned King's rule out to be more like a poison infecting the world (as it was when Jafar seized power, or when Scar got control), then we'd root for those little glimpses of happiness more instead of rolling our eyes. It would also have allowed for a more graphic final climax, with the zombie army. If that, too, had some context or some reason, it would have seemed less like a strange Skeletor plot. By working with the polar opposite tones in the picture instead of just jumping from one to the other, the whole story might have come together better. But still - good, good movie and an interesting moment in Disney History.

Fantasia/Fantasia 200: This might not count, but, I would do what Walt originally planned to do and make this a film series, with fresh animated sequences from a variety talented animators (Sporn, Plympton, Bluth, Bakshi, everybody's invited!), released every five years. (Pipe-Dream, I know...)

Wow - cool idea! I loved 2000 quite a bit, and the original has grown on me. Hopefully, in 2020, they'll be another one, but I doubt other studios would be let in. Inviting other animations to join up with Disney, or famous artists...sure! I definitely think this is one of those things Disney needs to keep doing every so often to remind people why they're in this business to begin with.

[Ed Liu]

...one can't deny that the Mouse House has relied on the "heroine and her single/widowed father" motif quite a number of times. Examples:

Ariel (The Little Mermaid)
Aladdin (Aladdin)
Jasmine (Aladdin)
Belle (Beauty and the Beast)
Jane (Disney's Tarzan)

This has even found it's way onto Disney's TV shows. See Princess Calla (from Gummi Bears), and more recently, Hanna Montana.

Part of this is source material. There is no mother in "The Little Mermaid" ("The Sea King had been a widower for many years... (http://hca.gilead.org.il/li_merma.html)"), in most versions of the "Beauty and the Beast" tale, or for Jane Porter in Edgar Rice Burroughs' Tarzan novels. If you're going to quibble about those lack of mother figures, you'll have to take it up with Hans Christian Anderson, a chain of anonymous talespinners, and ERB in those cases. It's true that Aladdin has a mother, but that's just one of many, many changes that they made to the story to put it on screen and they had pretty good reasons to do it.

Losing one or both parents is a common element in fairy tales. Off the top of my head, I can think of a lot more that have absent mothers than fathers (even more if you add in the tales that involve a stepmother), so it's not like Disney is going out of its way to pick the stories that don't have mothers in them. It's a common way to kick them the hero(ine) of the tale into the world before they're really ready to do it, which is exactly why it's such a common element. I don't think it's something you can specifically criticize Disney for without essentially indicting a whole lot more people as well.

[blazecat]

Pinnochio - The Coachman would have payed for his crimes. It sucks how absolutely nothing happened to him.

Little Mermaid 2 - Never would have existed.

Jungle Book 2 - Never would have existed.

[AdamYJ]

I can't believe it's all these years later, and people are still complaining that certain Disney movies aren't exactly the same as the books they're based on. You just kind of have to accept the fact that any Disney adaptation is going to be a loose one.

I didn't want it to be exactly the same, just a teeny, tiny bit closer.

My problem isn't so much that the movies aren't the same as the original stories as the fact that Disney is more famous than the original stories. Many people take the Disney interpretations of these stories as being the accepted versions without even reading the originals. This is troubling in regards to classic or children's literature in which the book should be accepted first (101 Dalmations, Pinocchio, Alice in Wonderland, Mary Poppins, Hunchback of Notre Dame, etc). It's also troubling in regards to tales that were originally in the oral tradition, which are great and wonderous because of the fact that no one wrote them and they can change with the interpretation of the teller (Cinderella, Snow White, Sleeping Beauty, Beauty and the Beast, etc). More parents and teachers should use these movies as sort of "jumping off points" to get kids reading some of the originals.

[catlove390]

Yeah, Disney can't have their animated adaptations EXACTLY as the original stories that inspired them..(well, they might have bought the rights to some of the original stories....:shrug:) but still, they can't have their adaptations ever EXACTLY like the original stories, or they could possibly have the pants sued off them!:eek:

Cat

[AdamYJ]

I agree with this also. Mickey started out as a mischief maker, and I think that he should have stayed that way. If Mickey had remained a wise cracking smart alec and not been transformed into a super virtuous all around nice guy institution, then the Disney studio wouldn't be so limited with what they could do with the character now.

Now this is an interesting topic. Looking back at the early Mickey, he was actually kind of a jerk. He even threw Minnie out of a plane and laughed about it when she wouldn't give him a kiss (see the short "Plane Crazy"). It wasn't even like Bugs Bunny who would often resort to tricks and mischief to end an unfair conflict with an even bigger jerk.

While I can understand the assertions that Mickey has become plain, isn't there another solution besides turning him into a mischevious bastard? What is the middle ground for the world's favorite mouse.

If you believe Warren Spektor's comments about Mickey for the new Epic Mickey Wii game, Mickey was "badly behaved" in the '20s, "adventurous" in the '30s, "leader of the gang" in the '40s and "the fun uncle" in the '50s. Personally, I'd add to that list by saying that since 1995's "Runaway Brain", he's been the "everymouse". Basically a nice guy who gets in trouble for indulging his own flaws and then gets in more and more over his head as he tries to fix his mistakes (some other good examples being "Mickey's Mix-Up" and "Mickey's Mistake" from the Mickey's Mouseworks/House of Mouse collection of shorts). This is personally the version I know and like best.

What's your take?

[Light Lucario]

I can't believe it's all these years later, and people are still complaining that certain Disney movies aren't exactly the same as the books they're based on. You just kind of have to accept the fact that any Disney adaptation is going to be a loose one.

That's true. Many book to movie adaptations are fairly loose, so it isn't like Disney is the only one to this with their movie adaptations.


Part of this is source material. There is no mother in "The Little Mermaid" ("The Sea King had been a widower for many years... (http://hca.gilead.org.il/li_merma.html)"), in most versions of the "Beauty and the Beast" tale, or for Jane Porter in Edgar Rice Burroughs' Tarzan novels. If you're going to quibble about those lack of mother figures, you'll have to take it up with Hans Christian Anderson, a chain of anonymous talespinners, and ERB in those cases. It's true that Aladdin has a mother, but that's just one of many, many changes that they made to the story to put it on screen and they had pretty good reasons to do it.

Losing one or both parents is a common element in fairy tales. Off the top of my head, I can think of a lot more that have absent mothers than fathers (even more if you add in the tales that involve a stepmother), so it's not like Disney is going out of its way to pick the stories that don't have mothers in them. It's a common way to kick them the hero(ine) of the tale into the world before they're really ready to do it, which is exactly why it's such a common element. I don't think it's something you can specifically criticize Disney for without essentially indicting a whole lot more people as well.

That's a good point. While Disney does often leave out mothers in many of their films, it isn't an uncommon trait in fiction. Like you mentioned, losing a parent or two is common in fairy tales. It's also common device in novels and short stories in order to make the hero/heroine emotionally suffer and/or have a different view of the world due to their lost parent(s). This also eventually leads them into the main conflict of the storyline, either through events or through contact with other characters. Many of the mothers in the novels I've read for my English classes either die or are never present to begin with.

Anyway, I can understand why people are annoyed that many Disney films do not have mothers in them, but it really isn't an abnormal practice for any movie or form of literature.

[Rainbow Sharpie]

About the whole mother thing:

Also, keep in mind some of the time periods the stories were written in. Most likely, mothers might've died during/after childbirth because:

*Medicine wasn't as advanced and some weren't even found yet

*Health conditions in certain hospitals

Althought if that snopes story about Flora Disney is true, I wouldn't blame the Disney brothers for getting rid of mothers

[Yash]

I'm sure a lot of people know my biggest beef with Hunchback (the gargoyles), so I won't say much on that subject.

The Lion King had a very interesting idea for the ending that I feel would have worked a lot better for the drama than what they went with. Instead of simply defeating Scar, it's actually Simba who loses the fight. Scar, caught up in the moment, doesn't notice Pride Rock burning around him and is engulfed in the flames.

It could have been quite a chilling effect, I wish they went with it.

[Monterey Jack]

The Lion King had a very interesting idea for the ending that I feel would have worked a lot better for the drama than what they went with. Instead of simply defeating Scar, it's actually Simba who loses the fight. Scar, caught up in the moment, doesn't notice Pride Rock burning around him and is engulfed in the flames.

It could have been quite a chilling effect, I wish they went with it.

I thought having Scar killed off by his hyena minions was just as effective. And his death gets covered up by a "wipe" of flames, so it's like he gets metaphorically dragged down to Hell.

[judyindisguise]

So, basically, the love story took over. I kind of wish Aladdin's mother had been left in because it would have made the movie just a little bit more like the original story of "Aladdin and the Wonderful Lamp". Also, it might have defused Disney's seeming problem with mothers (look how many single fathers there are in those movies).

I regret Aladdin's mother being dropped for one reason: it also meant the banishment of a beautiful song "Proud Of Your Boy". It's a real tear-jerker. But them's the breaks.

[Looneytunes]

Now this is an interesting topic. Looking back at the early Mickey, he was actually kind of a jerk. He even threw Minnie out of a plane and laughed about it when she wouldn't give him a kiss (see the short "Plane Crazy"). It wasn't even like Bugs Bunny who would often resort to tricks and mischief to end an unfair conflict with an even bigger jerk.

While I can understand the assertions that Mickey has become plain, isn't there another solution besides turning him into a mischevious bastard? What is the middle ground for the world's favorite mouse.

If you believe Warren Spektor's comments about Mickey for the new Epic Mickey Wii game, Mickey was "badly behaved" in the '20s, "adventurous" in the '30s, "leader of the gang" in the '40s and "the fun uncle" in the '50s. Personally, I'd add to that list by saying that since 1995's "Runaway Brain", he's been the "everymouse". Basically a nice guy who gets in trouble for indulging his own flaws and then gets in more and more over his head as he tries to fix his mistakes (some other good examples being "Mickey's Mix-Up" and "Mickey's Mistake" from the Mickey's Mouseworks/House of Mouse collection of shorts). This is personally the version I know and like best.

What's your take?

While I agree with you, it annoys me so much that the parents cared so much to ruin what was a very good icon and made it wholesome, just for the sake of self righteousness. Who knows maybe their children preferred the old mischievous yet lovable Mickey to the new sickeningly perfect Mickey. I also want to address that maybe Mickey does not have to be a jerk (as Bugs is, though that is the reason why most people prefer Bugs), but he should not be a goody-goody two shoes either (the reason why most of us are maybe disappointed in Mickey). He should be realistic. He should show the audience that while it is better for the conscience to be nice, it is alright to not be perfect, since no one is, or should be. Maybe a good example is have Mickey Garfield-like, mischievous and sarcastic yet nice deep down. Would this be a good idea?

Looneytunes/Disneytoons

[AdamYJ]

While I agree with you, it annoys me so much that the parents cared so much to ruin what was a very good icon and made it wholesome, just for the sake of self righteousness. Who knows maybe their children preferred the old mischievous yet lovable Mickey to the new sickeningly perfect Mickey. I also want to address that maybe Mickey does not have to be a jerk (as Bugs is, though that is the reason why most people prefer Bugs), but he should not be a goody-goody two shoes either (the reason why most of us are maybe disappointed in Mickey). He should be realistic. He should show the audience that while it is better for the conscience to be nice, it is alright to not be perfect, since no one is, or should be. Maybe a good example is have Mickey Garfield-like, mischievous and sarcastic yet nice deep down. Would this be a good idea?

Looneytunes/Disneytoons

The strange thing about characters in Disney shorts in general is that the ones who are tricky and do mischief often do so without any sort of provocation. Notably, all the "nephews". Not just Huey, Dewey and Louie, but also Mickey's nephews Morty and Ferdie (see the short "Mickey's Steamroller"). Even Chip and Dale are subject to this. Sometimes they're defending their tree or whatever, but other times they just bother folks like Donald for the heck of it (I've been watching a lot of Disney shorts lately).

I don't know. I kind of like the way he was in the Mouseworks/House of Mouse cartoons. He wasn't such a smart aleck like Bugs Bunny or Garfield. He was just kind of flawed in the way a normal person might be. He tried to break promises to people sometimes. He found money on the ground and spent it rather than turning it in. He got carried away in pranking people on April Fools' Day. He'd lie on occasion. But then the other shoe would drop and he'd end up in deep trouble and keep digging himself in deeper trying to fix it until everything reached a humorous conclusion.

People just don't get the whole nice guy thing in a cynical time like ours. On the other hand, it's his trademark. If Mickey started acting less like Mickey and more like other characters, people would be like "that's not Mickey". So, I think there's a Catch-22 here. Personally, I like current Mickey, but I always root for the nice guy.

[Brandon Pierce]

The Lion King had a very interesting idea for the ending that I feel would have worked a lot better for the drama than what they went with. Instead of simply defeating Scar, it's actually Simba who loses the fight. Scar, caught up in the moment, doesn't notice Pride Rock burning around him and is engulfed in the flames.

It could have been quite a chilling effect, I wish they went with it.
What made that ending chilling is the fact that Scar is laughing maniacally the whole time he's getting burned up in the fire. It's like, "I don't care! I beat Simba! That's all that matters! Whoo-Hoo!"
*gets burnt to a crisp*

[Michael JJ]

I regret Aladdin's mother being dropped for one reason: it also meant the banishment of a beautiful song "Proud Of Your Boy". It's a real tear-jerker. But them's the breaks.

I'd definitly have to agree with that. At least the song did get recorded for the DVD.