No Justice for Flash

[Alpha Flight]

I liked the "Brave and the Bold Part 1" with one exception. Flash isn't shown the respect that he deserves. Why can't Tim Bruice realize that the Flash isn't as dumb and nieve as he portrays him. If anyone is nieve and usually wrong it's GL. I mean don't get me wrong I like GL but Flash's character deserves more respect. Tim over does it with the strictness of GL and the idiotness of the Flash. I truly hope that part 2 gives Flash the credit that he deserves. Flash can be the clown without begin so accident prone. What do you guys think?

[The Green Hornet]

i think that he'll mature as time goes on

just as he did in the comics

[Anarky]

On the contrary, this ep showcased some of Flash's talents very well.
Like the hurricane vortex trick he did.
And unless I miss my guess, didn't he vibrate his way out of those handcuffs?

Flash got his mack on AND had several funny lines.
Being "the fastest man alive", naturally he'd be eager and impatient, which sometimes gets him into trouble.

Your concern might be that he's coming off as an accident-prone hero. If he looked before he leapt then he wouldn't get tripped up so often.

He and Hawkgirl are going to make mistakes. And Bats, Supes, & GL will be there to correct them. It's part of the show's dynamics. Bruce, Clark, & John...and J'onn are the elderly statesmen of the JL. You need to have the Old Guard mixed w/ the green newbies. It makes the show more enjoyable to watch, particulalry if you're a Bat-fan.

[The Guard]

I liked the "Brave and the Bold Part 1" with one exception. Flash isn't shown the respect that he deserves. Why can't Tim Bruice realize that the Flash isn't as dumb and nieve as he portrays him.

Because Flash IS dumb and naiive. This is a young Flash, a young Wally West. This isn't the Flash we know in the comics today, who's become more serious.

[SimonMoon5]

Originally posted by Anarky
On the contrary, this ep showcased some of Flash's talents very well.



Like the fact that he can't hope to catch 2 guys with a gun. Oh, wait, they had a van, too. I guess that makes them supervillain caliber, huh?

This episode clearly highlights (to me, at least) that there is no reason whatsoever for this loser to be in the Justice League. He's been of no use in any previous story and now in an episode almost completely devoted to him, he shows nothing but incompetence, whether deliberate ("He was just playing with the crooks, while letting them blow parts of the city trying to shoot him") or otherwise ("A guy who can run fast enough to levitate rock can't catch up to a VAN DOWN BY THE RIVER!" (Oops, sorry, channeling Chris Farley there.)

[Tracer]

Originally posted by The Guard
I liked the "Brave and the Bold Part 1" with one exception. Flash isn't shown the respect that he deserves. Why can't Tim Bruice realize that the Flash isn't as dumb and nieve as he portrays him.

Because Flash IS dumb and naiive. This is a young Flash, a young Wally West. This isn't the Flash we know in the comics today, who's become more serious.

I agree with giftwrapper, I know this is a young flash but, come on In the comics he was never this reckless, even as Kid Flash. A show off, Yes. Never took things serious, Yes. Even light hearted. This is like looking at Impulse instead of the Flash.

I do think I see what the problem is though. With there being no Barry (at least not mentioned) and him never being kid flash. He has no background for being a serious character. But he also is not a teenager. If the flashback in last nights spotlight ep. is true he at least was old enough to work a job that had him around dangerous chemicals. That should at least put him in his mid-twenties.

As a die hard flash fan, it hurts to see him reduced so much, both in powers and personality.

[BatKid]

I agree with Tracer, this JL Flash seems to be more like Impulse than a young Flash. About Barry Allen never existing, I hope he does show up, if in a flashback at least. He was a great Flash, and I hope that in the show, we'll see Wally grow up and take things more seriously, and show a bit of Barry Allen in him.

[Supernovametalstar]

I have a possible explanation for why he couldn't catch the guys in the van, and later, Grodd in the stolen car. It might be because he hadn't eaten. I would guess that in the restaurant (I came into the episode a little late, so correct me if I'm wrong) he was too busy with the girls to bother eating. We saw later that he was about to eat a stack of hotdogs, but went after Grodd in the car. So since he was still hungry and had not replenished his energy, he was slower than normal :D

[I am Batman]

I think the reason it took him so long was because, he had to dodge all that stuff, and after he saved those two people he caught up to the truck very quickly.

[Batman 80]

I like this version of the Flash. He has alot of personality and I love his comical remarks. I bet in part 2 that he'll do something that plays a big role in this story arc.

[Clark J. Kent]

Hey buddy, for the second time, the creator's name is "Bruce Timm." Not Tim Bruice. I called you on this once before, and I'm going to do it again.

It's not a problem and I'm not angry or attacking you, but reall now... what fan doesn't know Bruce Timm is the name of the man who makes it all happen?

Bruce Timm.

Bruce Timm.

[Alpha Flight]

Sorry Kent I should do more research when I put up my psots. A lot of the time when I write in this forum I'm taking a break from formal college writing because I'm an English major. Next time I'll try and get it write I guess I was just getting my ideas down and not proofreading my stuff. Sorry once again.

[Alpha Flight]

Another thing about the Brave and the Bold. Bruce Timm should stop having JL characters critocize the Green Lantern just because he has a ring. Both the Flash and Hawkgirl have commented that GL's ring doesn't make him a hero. It isn't the ring or GL's heroism that is getting him in trouble. John Stewart is very heroic. His ring doesn't make him a hero but neither does Flash's accidental speed or Superman's strong race. GL has a problem in his authority and arrogance. He thinks he knows everything and he judges matters before he get enough information on them. I think most fans would agree that it would be better to have a moderately bossy GL and a moderately nieve Flash. Any takers!

[Clark J. Kent]

Originally posted by giftrapper
Sorry Kent I should do more research when I put up my psots. A lot of the time when I write in this forum I'm taking a break from formal college writing because I'm an English major. Next time I'll try and get it write I guess I was just getting my ideas down and not proofreading my stuff. Sorry once again. God, now I feel bad. :(

I didn't mean to come down so hard on you. I just didn't want you looking like a fool. But really man, c'mon. ;)

Anyway. Sorry about getting a little too heated, and there's no need to apologize like you did (even though I do sense a little ribbing, it's well-deserved)

[Crimson Lightning]

geez lighten up here people! stop beating on poor Flash before we get to really know him! you guys are more "over-analyzing" than most english teachers i know! Flash is one tough customer to put up with all the bashing he gets from the rest of the group. Especially GL. i personally think GL needs an attitude adjustment. He's not infalliable, and the last time i checked there wasn't a formal "captain" or boss of the Justice league! he needs to get down off his high horse and come back to the people that run on the ground! (perhaps he one in red that has to save his butt all the time) I can think of numerous examples...


-a somewhat peeved Flash fan

[Vampire Grrl]

Regarding Wally West v. Barry Allen. In the flash back scene where Flash zonks out, they are using Barry Allen's origin as to how he became the Flash (lab accident) not Wally's (incident while visiting his uncle, Barry).

Did anyone else catch this?

[Alpha Flight]

Right on Crimson Lighting!
You hit the nail right on the head!!
I truly agree.

Originally posted by Crimson Lightning
geez lighten up here people! stop beating on poor Flash before we get to really know him! you guys are more "over-analyzing" than most english teachers i know! Flash is one tough customer to put up with all the bashing he gets from the rest of the group. Especially GL. i personally think GL needs an attitude adjustment. He's not infalliable, and the last time i checked there wasn't a formal "captain" or boss of the Justice league! he needs to get down off his high horse and come back to the people that run on the ground! (perhaps he one in red that has to save his butt all the time) I can think of numerous examples...


-a somewhat peeved Flash fan

[Koggit]

Originally posted by Clark J. Kent
what fan doesn't know Bruce Timm is the name of the man who makes it all happen?

Me, for one. But I don't pretend I do (Not implying giftrapper does). http://www.stopstart.fsnet.co.uk/smilie/hrm.gif

[Clark J. Kent]

Originally posted by Koggit
Me, for one. But I don't pretend I do (Not implying giftrapper does). http://www.stopstart.fsnet.co.uk/smilie/hrm.gif You really don't know Bruce Timm? You watch this show and don't know that Bruce Timm is responsible for this, Batman, Superman, and Batman Beyond?

How? How do you post at these boards and not know that?!

[Koggit]

Originally posted by Clark J. Kent
You really don't know Bruce Timm? You watch this show and don't know that Bruce Timm is responsible for this, Batman, Superman, and Batman Beyond?

How? How do you post at these boards and not know that?!

Well... I havn't been trying not to know, or anything. http://www.stopstart.fsnet.co.uk/smilie/puppy_dog_eyes.gif

If he's capable of such animated goodness, I'm sure he's a swell fellow, but I honestly hadn't heard of his until yesterday.

To tell you the truth, I don't know much about any American animation producers, directors, or writers, besides the great Van Partible. I'm more into the whole anime scene, but I am big fans of all the shows, that I now know he does. They all sorta have the same vibe, but I never put it together...

Anyway, be proud, you've made some-one realize who makes some of his favorite American shows. http://www.stopstart.fsnet.co.uk/smilie/thumbs.gif