What MGM cartoon would you most like to see restored AND uncensored on CN?

[Crazy Tom]

Hey guys...

Here is a good poll for you for good discussion. I was wondering what cartoon from MGM you would like to see most...restored AND uncensored, on Cartoon Network!

[Crazy Tom]

OK, so I am new at polls.

As much as I miss Half-Pint Pygmy, I had to choose Magical Maestro because the edits CN did to the film angered me beyond end. I'm sorry...I think PC has gone too far!

[Nelson]

I voted for "Droopy's Good Deed" it's very hard to watch this classic with all of those scenes missing in action.

[PorkyandDaffy]

I picked MAGICAL MAESTRO. It's probably Tex Avery's best and it's a true bona fide classic, and CN butchers it like any old cartoon.

[hippety hopper]

The mouse comes to dinner.

I don't know all of the cartoons BUT out of the ones I've seen "The mouse comes to dinner" annoies me the most.
I know most of the cartoons are left un-cut on CN UK but when ever they show this one I just cringe.

The milky waif is another one cut on CN UK and its soooooo poorly done.

We get "Bad luck blackie","Jerky turkey" and "The yankee doodle mouse" all uncut,although when I first saw the Jerky turkey joke(Half breed) I didn't think it was that funny.
I actually thought I had dreampt it up for about 7 years untill I saw it one the cencored cartoon page on Toonzone LOL.

[lislebartman]

I vote for "The Little Orphan". I have seen this cartoon inboth versions, and it the version released recently on video & DVD is severely butchered! My 9 year-old nephew even noticed the edit. He was so pissed off that he returned the video to Best Buy for a refund.

I already have the other cartoons listed in the poll in their unedited form. "The Little Orphan" is an Academy-award winning film and deserves to be seen in its unedited form.

[ChrisWinston]

Ahhh [BLEEP] CN. Who cares what they show. I don't. Well, i kind of do, i mean what's MOST important is that they ALL get released unedited onto DVD!!!!! ALL OF THEM! Hey Warner Brothers - Hello? We're waaaaaaaaiting. Of course, you know, this means war.

[Crazy Tom]

Originally posted by lislebartman
I vote for "The Little Orphan". I have seen this cartoon inboth versions, and it the version released recently on video & DVD is severely butchered! My 9 year-old nephew even noticed the edit. He was so pissed off that he returned the video to Best Buy for a refund.

Brave 9-year old! I give him a lot of credit.

As a follow-up, Wednesday night's Tom & Jerry show featured The Mouse Comes To Dinner as its second cartoon. As soon as I saw the title I changed the channel and handed my wife the remote. Anything that CN edits is just NOT worth watching. And yes, of course CN better realize this means war!!

[ChrisWinston]

Originally posted by Crazy Tom


Anything that CN edits is just NOT worth watching. And yes, of course CN better realize this means war!!

I guess if it's edited on CN and one does not own it on VHS or DVD (or LD) then it might be worth watching but frustrating knowing it's edited. Let 'em show 'em edited as long as WB gets 'em out uncut on DVD! Why go to war with CN? Forget them, go to war with WB Home Video... well, maybe not war more like peaceful conversation letting them know with a kind letter that you'd like their asses to get in gear and put together the Complete & Uncut Looney Tunes & Merrie Melodies collection on DVD!!!!

[Crazy Tom]

Originally posted by ChrisWinston


...go to war with WB Home Video... well, maybe not war more like peaceful conversation letting them know with a kind letter that you'd like their butts to get in gear and put together the Complete & Uncut Looney Tunes & Merrie Melodies collection on DVD!!!!

[Crazy Tom]

Originally posted by ChrisWinston


...go to war with WB Home Video... well, maybe not war more like peaceful conversation letting them know with a kind letter that you'd like their butts to get in gear and put together the Complete & Uncut Looney Tunes & Merrie Melodies collection on DVD!!!!

In 1992, when I saw the cut for the first time for the ending of Tortoise Wins By A Hare on TNT, I was dazed, confused, and wondered why this happened. Now that it's all a case of money and power amongst groups and WB with the public put on the permanent back-burner, the editing of cartoons will continue to be worse than its current state. If our society does not come to grips with its selfish attitude and parents can't do their job teaching kids right from wrong, pretty soon we'll come to an age where all you'll see are the opening and closing credits of the film.

Do we want this 10-20 years from now? I certainly don't!:mad:

[hippety hopper]

I'm with you all on this one!

Plus "The complete looney tunes and merrie melodies" on DVD is my dream!

[kiddiesunshine]

I wish I could've voted for all of them, because, well, y'all know how I feel about censorship. I simply don't understand what's wrong with blackface gags. To me, they're gags just like any other. Also, DVD's are good, but we can't all have them. We don't fight censorship for ourselves. We fight for the children who have to watch these cartoons, not getting the full effect of them. We fight for the animators of tomorrow, who may have to bow down to the opinions of PC dimwits, compromising their artistic integrity. And you can think about it this way: Wh pay for uncut cartoons when you can see them for free? You could tape your Southern Fried Rabbits and Tin Pan Alleycats off the channel and watch them whenever you want. Why buy a DVD for only one or two specific cartoons when you can just tape the ones you want off TV? I say once again, it's capitalism at its finest. One companies see people want something badly enough, they make a way to empty the people's pockets. In this case, it's uncensored cartoons on DVD. I know that they've been releasing DVD's with buchered cartoons and that could mean something. What if they start making uncensored cartoon DVD's that have a higher price tag? Money, money, money. ALL PREVIOUSLY CENSORED OR BANNED CARTOONS SHOULD BE RESTORED AND BROUGHT BACK INTO CIRCULATION! Who's with me!?!?

[ChrisWinston]

Originally posted by kiddiesunshine
DVD's are good, but we can't all have them.

Why not? Oh yeah, some people live in places where buying and/or owning DVDs is prohibited by law?!?!?!?!


Wh pay for uncut cartoons when you can see them for free? You could tape your Southern Fried Rabbits and Tin Pan Alleycats off the channel and watch them whenever you want. Why buy a DVD for only one or two specific cartoons when you can just tape the ones you want off TV?

Tape them onto VHS, a format that'll be nearly extinct within five years? VHS that just plain compared to the quality of DVD? You expect a good product for free? Why pay? Is it our right to see these cartoons uncut for free on tv? No. It's a gift from Ted Turner that we're able to see what we have on CN now. Pretty much anything free is a gift.


...it's capitalism at its finest... companies see people want something badly enough, they make a way to empty the people's pockets.

That's the American Way. I live in America, don't you? Let me double check my atlas... yup, America and lemme check my calendar, yup, this is the year 2001. Again, do you really expect these cartoons to be given to us for free?


In this case, it's uncensored cartoons on DVD. I know that they've been releasing DVD's with buchered cartoons and that could mean something.

Warner Brothers has released DVDs with butchered cartoons?


What if they start making uncensored cartoon DVD's that have a higher price tag?

If they did that there'd be a whole lotta lumps on WB execs' heads! The Complete & Uncut LT/MM Collection ain't gunna be cheap but i wouldn't expect WB to slap a mega price tag on what they release. It'll be reasonable, i'm sure. I know at first glance i'm gunna cringe over whatever the price'll be but ya know what? I'll sacrifice to be able to afford it because I want it.


ALL PREVIOUSLY CENSORED OR BANNED CARTOONS SHOULD BE RESTORED AND BROUGHT BACK INTO CIRCULATION! Who's with me!?!?

I'm with you, sort of... they should be available for people who want them, in circulation on DVD. It'll never happen on Cartoon Network. The only way you'll EVER be able to see [B]The Complete & Uncut Looney Tunes & Merrie Melodies Collection is on DVD.

[ChrisWinston]

:eek: Hmmm, i just noticed that was an MGM poll. Was it i who shifted this thread to WB? Whoops. Well, this is, afterall, a LT/MM area, right?

[bpnjensen]

Originally posted by Crazy Tom
Hey guys...

Here is a good poll for you for good discussion. I was wondering what cartoon from MGM you would like to see most...restored AND uncensored, on Cartoon Network!

I voted for Magical Maestro, but I'd RATHER see Uncle Tom's Cabana. Watching on Goopy Geer's website, I was bowled over by this masterpiece, but with my operating system it would look much better on my TV screen.

Like most everyone here, I feel the need for any edits at all is pretty much nonexistent. My 6-year-old son and I watch this stuff, howl with laughter, and lament the stuff we don't get to see. Oh, well...

Bruce Jensen

[kiddiesunshine]

I don't like to argue, but here I go anyway! For starters, Some people can't afford DVD players. Some people want to spend more money on new equipment when the stuff they have is just as good. About stuff being free, I'm aware this is America, but are you paying to see all the cartoons they show on Cartoon Network? Sure you are if you pay for cable, but for the most part, you aren't paying for them to show certain cartoons. Why should we have to pay for other cartoons just because some people complain? Since we're in America, why don't we just beg Cartoon Network to pull all LT, MM and MGM cartoons from TV so we can buy the DVD!? That's stupid! Geez.....some people. Sigh

[kiddiesunshine]

In my last post, what I meant to say was Some people DON'T want to spend more money when what they have is just as good.

[ChrisWinston]

Originally posted by kiddiesunshine
Some people DON'T want to spend more money when what they have is just as good.

VHS just as good as DVD? Yeah, and a used Ford Fiesta is just as luxurious as a Ferrari... any Ferrari.

No, not everyone can afford a DVD player. I couldn't for a long while but it's amazing how much you can save when you really cut back on everyday luxuries you take for granted.

[kiddiesunshine]

It's funny how no one complained about VHS before DVD's and things like that. Weren't you glad to have something you could use to record programs from the TV? Doggone it, I know I was! Now, I know the video quality and all that is supposed to be better on DVD, but VCR recordings aren't bad either. VHS is just as good as DVD's in that they both enable you to see whatever it is you want to see. So tell me, would we be having this conversation if there were no DVD's? Oh! What about high-definition TV? If you tape a show onto a VHS tape from your HDTV, wouldn't the video quality be above average, close to or equal to DVD's? Not everybody can afford those either, but that's still something to think about. Now, are we finished?

[J Lee]

When they get the price of recordable DVDs down below $250 (the first consumer ones are coming out now, and they're over $1,200), that will be the beginning of the end for VHS. The system will be around for a long time, since so many people have them, but if they ever get HDTV up and going, watching a VHS tape after seeing an HDTV show will be particularly jarring and will push more people into buying recordable DVDs.

(I'm also hoping WB remasters their cartoons and restores the original credits -- and most of the cuts -- when they have to redo them for HDTV broadcast, but that's another story...)

[ChrisWinston]

Originally posted by kiddiesunshine
It's funny how no one complained about VHS before DVD's and things like that.

No one complained about getting around by horse before the horseless carriage was invented either.


Now, I know the video quality and all that is supposed to be better on DVD, but VCR recordings aren't bad either.

VHS not bad but not great. In fact, DVD is 2 times better. And if you watch your VHS tape 50 times the quality will deteriorate unlike DVD that you can watch, oh, maybe 25,000 times. In theory, if no other format is ever invented, your great great great great great grandchildren can enjoy the very same discs.


VHS is just as good as DVD's in that they both enable you to see whatever it is you want to see.

True.


So tell me, would we be having this conversation if there were no DVD's?

Nope... unless you were Doc Brown and you've been to the future.


Oh! What about high-definition TV? If you tape a show onto a VHS tape from your HDTV, wouldn't the video quality be above average, close to or equal to DVD's?

Not at all. Would be like recording digital music onto a Thomas Edison era tinfoil phonograph. How good do you think the playback quality would be?

HDTV will provide 1080 horizontal lines of resolution onto your high definition capable tv set. If you record HDTV broadcast programming onto VHS it'll be reduced to what VHS can handle and that is a mere 240. When you press play you'll be looking at a picture that is incredibly inferior to what you saw when it was broadcast.

DVD handles 480 lines of resolution. That's the best there is to record onto. Watching the same movie side by side, one VHS and one DVD, which one will be preferred 999 times out of 1000?


Now, are we finished?

I dunno, are we?