"WWE RAW" 5-25-09 Talkback (Spoilers)

[The Penguin]

It's a big week in the WWE as TV this week will emanate from the STAPLES Center is Los Angeles. After WWE was kicked out of Denver's Pepsi Center due to the conflict with the NBA playoffs, Vince McMahon went on a media blitz, calling out Nuggets owner Stan Kroenke for not having faith that his team would make the playoffs. Among other events tonight, McMahon will apparently face off with the Nuggets owner.


http://library.toonzone.net/talkbacks/wwe.jpghttp://library.toonzone.net/talkbacks/raw.jpgWWE RAW #835
Monday, May 25, 2009 @ 9 p.m. ET/8 CT on USA Network

RAW GOES HOLLYWOOD
With Denver's Pepsi Center double-booked Monday night, WWE is heading to Hollywood. Monday Night Raw will emanate from Los Angeles' STAPLES Center live on Memorial Day.

DIPPING THE NUGGET
It's McMahon vs. Kroenke, live on Raw from the STAPLES Center. To settle the notorious Denver debacle, the WWE Chairman gets his wish when he clashes with the Denver Nuggets tyrant in the City of Angels.

RAW'S PLAYOFFS
Live on Raw from Los Angeles' STAPLES Center, see WWE's answer to the Lakers vs. Denver Nuggets: U.S. Champion MVP, John Cena, Batista, Jerry Lawler & a fifth "player" vs. WWE Champion Randy Orton, Legacy, The Miz & Big Show.

LEGEND CALLER
After WWE Champion Randy Orton's disrespect and attack on Ric Flair last Monday, the "Nature Boy" intends on calling out The Legend Killer, live on Raw in Los Angeles. How will "The Viper" respond to the WWE Legend's call?

[peterg14]

I hope this Raw will be good enough to make all the WWE/NBA stuff worthwhile. Vince would look bad if it was a Raw with nothing but run-ins and DQs while Lakers v Nuggets goes into triple overtime.

[TnAdct1]

So sooner does the show start, the Denver Nuggets bashing begins. :sad:

BTW, does the person doing the impression of the Denver Nuggets owner resemble Eric Bischoff a little bit?

[EinBebop]

This is childish. And did Kroenke really force WWE out, or did Vince not want to compete in another venue against a playoff game in a smaller city like Denver?

[RedNinja84]

Come on Vince, get over it and just do the show.:mad:

[Condiment King]

I was more entertained by Maryse walking down the hallway than that first 15 minutes of this atrocious Raw.

[Zen Man]

Embarrassing :o

Alright Vince you proved your point; no matter how immature it is.Hopefully they've gottan the whole debacle out of their system.

[Wonderwall]

Did Lillian just say Maryse is from Montreal, Ontario?

[hobbyfan]

This is childish. And did Kroenke really force WWE out, or did Vince not want to compete in another venue against a playoff game in a smaller city like Denver?

IMPO, it's a matter of priority. The Nuggets, understandably, are the Pepsi Center's primary tenant and have first call. Where Kroenke screwed up is not giving Vince the courtesy to properly reschedule the show. Vince being Vince, well, you know what happened.

[Matt Hazuda]

Wow worst RAW of the year so far and it looks like Mr Kennedy managed to injure himself in a record amount of time since coming back if those last 2 minutes of the show are any indication.

[LinkG07]

I only saw the Santino match and the final one :( I missed Kennedy's return. Damn!

[Master Toon]

Although it will never happen again, I would like to name Cena and MVP's double team move; You can't see me ballin'. I know most of you guys here aren't fans of flashy moves like theirs but I thought it was pretty cool.

[hobbyfan]

When the show started and the ersatz Kroenke came out, I thought, did they dig up the guy that used to play Billionaire Ted 10-15 years ago? I swear, he looked almost exactly like BT. Surreal. I did get a few chuckles knowing what was coming. :D

Ok, so they got the women's title match out of the way, but again Maryse looks weak getting DQd first time out of the box vs. Kelly. I thought this might be one and done, and have Mickie get a title match, but clearly they're playing up that Maryse suddenly has lost her nerve. She's finding out that she's playing in a bigger pool (literally) than she was on Smackdown, and her lack of experience will ultimately be her undoing.

I thought the Orton-Flair confrontation would be better, but it felt more like a trainwreck waiting to happen. I flip for a sec to check on the Mets, then flip back to find Batista making the save for Flair. Hmmmmkay. Kennedy returning was a real surprise. Here, I figured they'd pop the crowd by bringing back HBK, but that would be too early into the Flair story, wouldn't it now?

So Big Show lays down some truth to Miz. No one likes him. What a shock. He represents exactly what Empty-V has become, and despite the skills he's acquired in the course of 4 1/2 years as a wrestler, he's still the real poser. LeBron James, though, might want to disavow any knowledge of his fellow Cleveland area native after that promo.

There hasn't been a hog pen match in WWE since the mid-90's (HHH-Henry Godwinn). Santina is going to need someone to offset Chavo if she wants to get that Ms. Wrestlemania crown back from Ms. Piggy Guerrero (who was held to one segment tonight, which is good, considering how she's bombed live in recent weeks). But who to trust?

MVP-Kofi next week should be a show-stealer. I expected Regal to win, but apparently Uncreative doesn't think Regal should be in the US hunt. He deserves to be.

The 10-man main was great theatre. They even had the Lakers' PA announcer do the intros, which was cool. For once, Show's home town (Tampa) was announced on WWE-TV, which is rare. Probably hasn't been done since Wrestlemania 24 vs. Mayweather. Seemed so appropriate, then, that MVP, wearing Kobe Bryant's number, won the match.

As Raw went off the air, over in Denver, the Nuggets were winning. Go figure.;):p

I'd like to know why Goldust suddenly has the Tourette's gimmick back from 6 years ago. Who did he tick off? I think they're going to have Kendrick continue to find a partner until either they re-sign Paul London, or pair Miz with Kendrick, which I think may be the payoff. Get it? "The" Brian Kendrick. The Miz. Makes sense, right?

[EinBebop]

My point is that I think Vince shafted Denver WWE fans, not Kroenke. Vince probably could've found another venue here in Denver and tried to compete with a playoff game playing in the same town. Or he could leave in a sea of publicity and pride and go to a town that he'd have a much easier time selling out.

The basketball theme could've been entertaining in another time and place.

[bigddan11]

IMPO, it's a matter of priority. The Nuggets, understandably, are the Pepsi Center's primary tenant and have first call. Where Kroenke screwed up is not giving Vince the courtesy to properly reschedule the show. Vince being Vince, well, you know what happened.
It's not a matter of priority, and that is the entire fact Vince is trying to point out. The WWE scheduled the Pepsi Center nearly a year and a half ago and then signed the contract last month, so in both cases they should have had the priority. The NBA asked the Nuggets and Lakers for any conflicts so they could schedule the Finals around them, and Kronke said there were no conflicts. If Kronke had informed the NBA of the scheduling beforehand, then you would have had the Eastern Conference Finals start first and the arena wouldn't hve been double booked on Monday. Kronke basically forced the WWE out of Colorado for this month because of the cost of moving the production trucks, causing them to cancel all the house shows that were scheduled there and causing the Colorado Springs SmackDown!/ ECW taping tomorrow to be rescheduled for later in the year while the WWE does a second night in LA tomorrow.

Now, onto this RAW. It was by far the poorest in terms of wrestling recently, but I was surprised a few times. First off, Kofi Kingston is the #1 contender for the US Championship. After months of basically being a tag man or a jobber, he has gained four consecutive wins and is now the #1 contender for the US Championship. I've been impressed by how much Kofi has grown on RAW, and this feud with Matt and Regal is truly helping his skills develop thta much more.

Maryse/ Kelly Kelly was announced for a future title match, so I was surprised to see them have it one week later. Kelly has improved drastically since her time on ECW, and her growth in the ring was shown here. I hated how they resorted to Maryse getting DQued to keep the title, despite her being a heel, because it's making her look weak.

Santino & Mickie James vs. Chavo & Beth Phoenix caused me to leave the room, but lets look at these teams. They never did have Beth and Santino breakup, so why are they on different teams? A pig pen match at Extreme Rules between Vickie and Santina should provide an entertaining bathroom break if nothing else.

The Brian Kendrick's search for a tag partner once again fails as he yells at Festus causing Festus to never tag in. I didn't mind Goldust and Hornswoggle being the opponents, but them being two times on the show caused me to want to sleep.

The main event was highly predicatble. Would Vince really have been foolish enough to have the team representing the Lakers (MVP, Lawler, Kennedy, Cena, and Batista) lose after all the trouble he has given the Nuggets (Orton, Rhodes, DiBiase, Show and Miz) this week on national TV?

[Master Toon]

You guys are talking about Vince and the basketball situation more than he is. :D

[hobbyfan]

It's not a matter of priority, and that is the entire fact Vince is trying to point out. The WWE scheduled the Pepsi Center nearly a year and a half ago and then signed the contract last month, so in both cases they should have had the priority. The NBA asked the Nuggets and Lakers for any conflicts so they could schedule the Finals around them, and Kronke said there were no conflicts. If Kronke had informed the NBA of the scheduling beforehand, then you would have had the Eastern Conference Finals start first and the arena wouldn't hve been double booked on Monday. Kronke basically forced the WWE out of Colorado for this month because of the cost of moving the production trucks, causing them to cancel all the house shows that were scheduled there and causing the Colorado Springs SmackDown!/ ECW taping tomorrow to be rescheduled for later in the year while the WWE does a second night in LA tomorrow.

Actually, it was 9 months ago when WWE booked the date @ Pepsi Center. Kroenke is an idiot for underestimating his team's potential and not speaking up about the conflict that in fact came up.



Maryse/ Kelly Kelly was announced for a future title match, so I was surprised to see them have it one week later. Kelly has improved drastically since her time on ECW, and her growth in the ring was shown here. I hated how they resorted to Maryse getting DQued to keep the title, despite her being a heel, because it's making her look weak.

Santino & Mickie James vs. Chavo & Beth Phoenix caused me to leave the room, but lets look at these teams. They never did have Beth and Santino breakup, so why are they on different teams? A pig pen match at Extreme Rules between Vickie and Santina should provide an entertaining bathroom break if nothing else.

They have stated in commentary that Beth & Santino have split. The visual breakup must've been a backstage skit at Backlash, or not at all. I already pointed out that Maryse has been made to look weak 2 weeks running.

[Condiment King]

Really bad Raw. Wow. Might have been the worst one in awhile.

The Vince/Kroneke stuff was not funny at all and was an utter waste of time, but, honestly, I thought it was going to go longer than it did. Miz's promo was alright, but I thought all night they took the NBA stuff too far. As someone who doesn't watch the NBA at all, I didn't care, and I'm sure I'm not the only WWE fan who doesn't watch the NBA.

Goldust/Hornswaggle/Nicholson "comedy" was not funny either. That seemed to be a theme for this Raw -- comedy that wasn't funny in the slightest.

Maryse was great as a heel as usual, but the match itself with her and Kelly was a mess. At one point, they were just rolling around and then it was a strange non-finish on the outside. And Mickie didn't even get involved either during the match or post-match. I don't know whether they plan on going Maryse-Kelly or Maryse-Mickie at this point.

The No. 1 contendership for the US title triple threat was like a ray of sunshine to this Raw. Hardy vs Regal vs Kofi was as entertaining as the show got. I too was surprised at Kofi winning, and I liked the MVP/Kofi interplay afterward.

The Orton-Flair confrontation happened so fast. Kennedy really needs to shave. That facial hair looks bad. I wish Kennedy was a heel too. Raw has too many faces, and I still think Kennedy is better as a heel. But I'm glad he was the mystery partner and not Flair. I wonder what on earth Kennedy could be planning on doing. Maybe feuding with Matt Hardy?

Santino & Mickie vs Chavo & Beth was there. How many times has Beth Phoenix lost in 2009? She could have more TV/PPV jobs in 2009 than any other WWE worker at this point. There was no reaction for that hogpen match announcement, and something tells me that will be the lowlight of Extreme Rules. What would you rather have -- MVP vs Kofi for the US title at Extreme Rules, or, say, Vickie vs Santino in a HOGPEN MATCH. Well, apparently the latter!

More comedy with the Goldust/Hornswaggle vs Kendrick/Festus match. At least this continued the storyline of Kendrick looking for a partner, but Kendrick gets buried again.

This Raw main event dragged out. I mean it's not a big deal, and it happens a lot with the announcements and then the start of the match having commercial breaks between them. But man, the way they did the announcing drug out the intro to this match, and it was so unnecessary. The you can't see me + ballin' combo was unique, but, yeah, this was about as interesting as a 10-man PPV hype match usually is (not very). The flourish of finishers at the end was good, though.

[The Penguin]

Really “Hail to the Chief” for fake Kroenke? Couldn’t they do any better than that? Personally I think the segment more or less worked and thinking about the other parodies WWE has done recently, this was probably about the best one. The other guys at ringside were unneeded, but otherwise I liked it. WWE was going to address this and you know Vince wants to be on SportsCenter tomorrow and I thought it was funny (the XBA joke was good). Plus I was happy the show kicked off this rather than it having a build for an hour or even worse, be in the main event slot.

I liked Miz coming out to get his share of the “rag on the local team” heat and of course we had the brawl to tie this segment to the main event. Had WWE not done the Kroenke segment, it just would have been someone else talking.

I said in my late night/early morning catch-up in the week of WWE TV that Maryse should be careful about picking to face Kelly Kelly because she seems to surprise on a weekly basis and Maryse was clearly surprised here, shooting for the count-out and getting disqualified instead.

“I got electrocuted a few years ago, but I’m okay now.” Goldust didn’t seem okay. I can’t remember for sure, but I thought for the most part he was normal (for him) now. Of course we’ve seen him so infrequently lately, I might just be forgetting.

I liked the triple threat match and I’m interested to see what Kofi Kingston and MVP do next week. It should be a good one.

I have to be honest, if I guy has beaten me up in a fight, “had your way with me” would not be the phrase I would use to describe it and if I did, I would have realized what I said and not repeated it again. Batista looked like a guy trying to control his dad after he got in over his head. For Flair, it has to be embarrassing to have your old protégé holding you back by your pants.

Orton seemed about as excited to see Kennedy as I was. I want to like him again, but he seems pretty much the same as he did when he left (included that previously mentioned goatee).

Who can forget the classic Henry Godwinn-Hunter Hearst Helmsley hog pen match from In Your House 5? :p With Santina still existing and Vickie coming out wearing that damn crown I don’t see how this ends completely so we can all move on. The only thing that can make this okay is if Hillbilly Jim is the special referee. He won’t let anyone get away with anything because we all know you don’t go messin’ with a country boy.

I liked Show and Miz backstage. It made a lot of sense, because if I were Big Show, I’d feel like Miz was sticking his nose in my business.

After his successful team with Paul London, you would think Kendrick would know what to look for in a tag team partner, but apparently not. It was tough to see how he and Goldust were on the same page, but how could he have even spoken to Festus about it?

Not since the ‘RAW Bowl’ has there been a more action-packed, sports themed match on RAW. :p Seriously, I thought the introductions were fun, but quite long. I noticed that the ‘Laker’ intros were a bit shorter than the ‘Nugget’ intros after how long they took. I was surprised that the pinfall happened with most of the teams standing on the apron—someone should have gotten in the ring to help Cody. I did like how the chaos as the end played out though.



Did Lillian just say Maryse is from Montreal, Ontario?Probably.


They have stated in commentary that Beth & Santino have split. The visual breakup must've been a backstage skit at Backlash, or not at all.Well it was at Backlash (http://forums.toonzone.net/showthread.php?t=228755) that "Santina" allowed Beth to get chopped by Khali and then pinned her (after quickly accepting her challenge for the Miss WrestleMania crown).

[Condiment King]

It's not a matter of priority, and that is the entire fact Vince is trying to point out. The WWE scheduled the Pepsi Center nearly a year and a half ago and then signed the contract last month, so in both cases they should have had the priority. The NBA asked the Nuggets and Lakers for any conflicts so they could schedule the Finals around them, and Kronke said there were no conflicts. If Kronke had informed the NBA of the scheduling beforehand, then you would have had the Eastern Conference Finals start first and the arena wouldn't hve been double booked on Monday. Kronke basically forced the WWE out of Colorado for this month because of the cost of moving the production trucks, causing them to cancel all the house shows that were scheduled there and causing the Colorado Springs SmackDown!/ ECW taping tomorrow to be rescheduled for later in the year while the WWE does a second night in LA tomorrow.
I don't understand why they canceled that Sunday house show and then the Tuesday Smackdown/ECW show in Colorado Springs, though. Do they not have a roster split? How many people on the production side of things work both Raw and Smackdown? And do they not have Raws and Smackdowns that are far away from each other on back to back days? I think in particular people were puzzled over the Sunday house show cancellation. In effect, Vince was doing the same thing to those fans (of the Sunday and Tuesday shows) that Kroneke did to Vince for Raw.

[Hobbes829]

The Nuggets, understandably, are the Pepsi Center's primary tenant and have first call.

vince should've just got on the mic and delivered an impassioned speech to the fans. No matter how you slice it, the owner of the nuggets were in the wrong. They didn't have first dibs. WWE had a contract with no in case of loopholes. The owner was just being a ******.

"it looks like Mr Kennedy managed to injure himself in a record amount of time since coming back if those last 2 minutes of the show are any indication."

Where did you ever get that impression?

I liked the 10 men tag. Some good drama and the ballin'/5 knuckle shuffle thing was fun.

[bigddan11]

I don't understand why they canceled that Sunday house show and then the Tuesday Smackdown/ECW show in Colorado Springs, though. Do they not have a roster split? How many people on the production side of things work both Raw and Smackdown? And do they not have Raws and Smackdowns that are far away from each other on back to back days? I think in particular people were puzzled over the Sunday house show cancellation. In effect, Vince was doing the same thing to those fans (of the Sunday and Tuesday shows) that Kroneke did to Vince for Raw.
They have a roster split, but they use the same production vehicles for both shows. They also make RAW and SmackDown!/ ECW within 12 hours of each other so the Production crew can get there in time, and they have the production crew rolling within an hour of the end of the show and traveling overnight to make sure it makes it to the next days taping on time. Vince said straight out in the WWE Press Release that the cost of moving the production equipment and crew from LA to Colorado Springs was possible, but that they wouln't have enough time to get everything set up and that traveling expenses would be much cheaper staying in California, hence why they usually make sure to stay in state or on a boardering state and hence why the foreign shows are usually done from the same location.

[The Penguin]

I don't understand why they canceled that Sunday house show and then the Tuesday Smackdown/ECW show in Colorado Springs, though. Do they not have a roster split? How many people on the production side of things work both Raw and Smackdown?I can't speak to their logic, but I'm pretty sure there is only one TV crew so they would all need to be Colorado tomorrow, plus there is now just one referee crew (at the house show two weeks ago, Chad Patton and Scott Armstrong alternated the matches, the rest of the guys were on RAW) and in this particular case, Jim Ross would need to be in both places. I think it's pretty much only the wrestlers that are split. MapQuest says it would take 16 hours for the production crew and staff to drive to Colorado and you can't fly the trucks there.

[Spike Mcdougal]

Not since the ‘RAW Bowl’ has there been a more action-packed, sports themed match on RAW. :p Seriously, I thought the introductions were fun, but quite long. I noticed that the ‘Laker’ intros were a bit shorter than the ‘Nugget’ intros after how long they took. I was surprised that the pinfall happened with most of the teams standing on the apron—someone should have gotten in the ring to help Cody. I did like how the chaos as the end played out though.

+5 for remembering the RAW Bowl. Why don't they do that again? it was a fun match and I'd like to hear King use football calls again like when Razor Ramon beat up Goldust's usher.

"Hey that's a personal foul, unnecessary roughness. He punted him."

[krazymed]

Any sense of professionalism in how this situation could have been handled went out the door the second this became news.

Thanks, Vince, for treating me to two boring shows tonight, Raw, and the Nuggets blowout win. I hope Denver wins the series so that you can stop this nonsense. I shudder what you'll do next Monday if the Lakers actually win.

[Matt Hazuda]

Where did you ever get that impressionFirst, the multi-quote button is your friend, it makes your post not look ugly as sin.

Second, both outside the ring and inside the ring, he was kinda holding himself near his groin area and wincing. Maybe he just got dinged up, but he was moving kind of gingerly as well, take that for what you will.

[email2003]

The last time the WWE had a Hog Pen Match was back in December of '95 at a In Your House PPV where it was HHH vs. Henry Godwin.:shrug:

[Wonderwall]

Second, both outside the ring and inside the ring, he was kinda holding himself near his groin area and wincing. Maybe he just got dinged up, but he was moving kind of gingerly as well, take that for what you will.

I'm sure he was just selling. He can't be that brittle can he?


The last time the WWE had a Hog Pen Match was back in December of '95 at a In Your House PPV where it was HHH vs. Henry Godwin.:shrug:

I wonder if Santino will get a cut and infection like H did too:p

Overall...pretty bad RAW. The first 20 minutes were excruciating. The Vince stuff was embarrassing as these impostor segments usually are. The only good thing was that it was shorter than usual. The Goldust and Hornswaggle segment was....wow...It has so many ingredients to be bad like Hornswaggle, Goldust having his stutter back( and man he sounds weird now, what happened to his Goldust voice?), the Bellas being useless as always, and the "Jack" imposter...painful. The Divas title match finish was...odd. Why was Maryse DQ'd? For pushing Kelly over the table? I was actually confused, and the crowd seemed to be as well, over the finish.

The lone bright spots were The 4 way match for the US title shot. Good match and good to see Kofi getting pushed. And the main event. I liked the basketball theme and I got a good chuckle of Batista coming out with a basketball( Basketballs dont hold grudges! ). Still What a mess RAW was.

[Mesousa]

Yeah...I knew people were gonna be groaned about the McMahon/Nuggets thing.

Someone mentioned here that Kennedy got re-injured. Please tell me that's a lie, I mean, he just came back, maybe if they didn't put him in the ring so much.

[Hobbes829]

he was selling, and apparently really well. Unless you read about him being injured, take it as he's selling which is what a wrestler is supposed to be.

[hobbyfan]

I don't understand why they canceled that Sunday house show and then the Tuesday Smackdown/ECW show in Colorado Springs, though. Do they not have a roster split? How many people on the production side of things work both Raw and Smackdown? And do they not have Raws and Smackdowns that are far away from each other on back to back days? I think in particular people were puzzled over the Sunday house show cancellation. In effect, Vince was doing the same thing to those fans (of the Sunday and Tuesday shows) that Kroneke did to Vince for Raw.

Like I said, it's Vince being Vince. Twice as bad as "Manny being Manny", y'know?;):p:D

[hobbyfan]

he was selling, and apparently really well. Unless you read about him being injured, take it as he's selling which is what a wrestler is supposed to be.

Exactly. People jump to conclusions a little to quickly nowadays.

[Hobbes829]

i liked the main event. It was a fun little tag and i actually liked the jersey thing. I think vince should've come out at the top of the show, take the high road and say that he appreciated the fans' support with this whole debacle. Hell, he shouldn't have even mentioned the owner by name, just called them something like inept management. I enjoyed the jersey gimmick, it was a light hearted and fun way to give a big middle finger to the owner of the nuggets. Unfortunately LA lost. Also, mvp was the one that made the pin so that definitely puts him over as a star. Miz actually looked really good out there, and wasn't bounced around like a job guy. No offense to job guys. "Pin me, Pay me" as they say.

[Djm912]

Wait for it......wait for it.........

Ken Kennedy injured at last night's Monday Night Raw taping. (http://www.pwinsider.com/article.php?id=38948&p=1)

[Hobbes829]

several things...

first off, they don't know how serious it is. It could just be a sprain wrist. Hell, if matt is working with a broken arm, why can't kennedy work?

Secondly, my god this guy is accident prone. Why does it always have to be the good ones? i don't wish ill will on anyone, but it always seems to happen to people that are stars or are on the verge of stardom.

[Mesousa]

Wait for it......wait for it.........

Ken Kennedy injured at last night's Monday Night Raw taping. (http://www.pwinsider.com/article.php?id=38948&p=1)

Wrist injuries aren't that serious unless you break a bone in it, but we'll just wait and see.

Once again, another Raw without HBK. He must be taking a hiatus, yet the WWE are missing an opportunity on what he would opinionate about Flair's possible return.

[Master Toon]

Wait for it......wait for it.........

Ken Kennedy injured at last night's Monday Night Raw taping. (http://www.pwinsider.com/article.php?id=38948&p=1)

He needs to drink more milk for stronger bones.

[Mesousa]

He needs to drink more milk for stronger bones.

Which is ironic, because he comes from Wisconsin.

[Hobbes829]

they could have a video conference where HBK gives an update on where he is, why he's away and the flair situation. You brought up a great point about missed opportunities. I hate when they have unexplained absences. Hell, even the announcers don't even mention it.

on another forum that i frequent someone pointed out something that i missed, and that's why i like talking to intelligent wrestling fans because often times they point stuff out that i miss. I get that not everything in wrestling has to be real and that i have to suspend disbelief for things like the irish whip, however there are certain things that feel a little much. I'm willing to believe a man can fly, however i'm unwilling to believe that a man can turn back the clock by turning the world in the opposite direction

Someone asked the question, "why are legacy wearing a nuggets jersey" He knows they are heels, but it doesn't make sense that if randy is willing to punt vince in the head that he wouldn't wear a jersey when he was told to.

I'd buy big show wearing it because vicky's the gm, and they "had a relationship", and miz because he'd want to get under the skin of . But yes, you're absolutely right, legacy wouldn't because orton wouldn't go with what mcmahon told him to do. It's attention to detail that allows us to suspend disbelief and emotionally invest.

I didn't mind what the babyface did. If this were real, batista wouldn't make a big stink about it.

I'm glad it was kennedy and not RVD. It's best to get over your talent instead of giving the spot light for a 1 night guy. Unless it's something like the rumble

[Matt Hazuda]

Wait for it......wait for it.........

Ken Kennedy injured at last night's Monday Night Raw taping. (http://www.pwinsider.com/article.php?id=38948&p=1)Funny that I got the injury right, but where he was injured wrong. I didn't realize at the time that he was holding his wrist and not trying to think about his groin.


Also, :p to all the naysayers who doubted me about him being injured.

[Hobbes829]

Funny that I got the injury right, but where he was injured wrong. I didn't realize at the time that he was holding his wrist and not trying to think about his groin.


Also, :p to all the naysayers who doubted me about him being injured.
this wasn't a case of us trying to prove you wrong, it's just that we were saying wait and see. Plus, it's most likely a wrist sprain that he can easily work through.

[Mr.HeathBell]

I think what we have to keep in mind with Kennedy is that he has proven to be very brittle, even if this injury is not that serious. The question of another serious injury is not "if" but "how long until?"

Also, he is a media relations nightmare and a proven hypocrite. It's not that surprising that some people jumped at the fact that he could be gone as soon as he arrived.

[Hobbes829]

the thing that's keeping him from getting a pink slip is that he's over.

[The Penguin]

the thing that's keeping him from getting a pink slip is that he's over.That will only help you for so long. He's definitely over with the fans, but if he gets hurt every time WWE tries to capitalize, eventually he's not worth the money.

[Mesousa]

That will only help you for so long. He's definitely over with the fans, but if he gets hurt every time WWE tries to capitalize, eventually he's not worth the money.

Wait a minute, wasn't it true that he was suspended for taking steroids?

:ack:

[The Penguin]

Wait a minute, wasn't it true that he was suspended for taking steroids?

:ack:I think he was suspended for violating the wellness policy, but he has also been injured. His non-wrestling appearances to promote his direct-to-DVD movie was because he was hurt.

[Hobbes829]

That will only help you for so long. He's definitely over with the fans, but if he gets hurt every time WWE tries to capitalize, eventually he's not worth the money.
only when the cost of keeping him outweigh the revenue that he brings in

[The Penguin]

only when the cost of keeping him outweigh the revenue that he brings inWell of course, but it's tough to sell Mr. Kennedy t-shirts when he's never in the ring. He's not at a Stone Cold Steve Austin-type level (yet anyway).